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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-03-10

---Logopened Sat Mar 10 00:00:02 2012
---Daychanged Sat Mar 10 2012
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00:00<Alejandro>alguien habla español
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00:01<garn32>try debian-es
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00:17<micove> /j #debian-x
00:18<micove>ops
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01:29<scientes_>does the deb format support xattr?
01:29<scientes_>oh, wait its just tar
01:29<scientes_>nvm
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02:36<dawc>sweating.
02:36<dawc>it's hot.
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02:38<dawc>Volley: wanna arm wrestle?
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02:41<bony> I am trying to compile a driver for a usb tv card. It fails at one point were it says that their is an error in header file videobuf-dvb.h and the error is that its not able to find another header file dvbdev.h. When i searched for this header file in packages.debian.org i didn't get any. is their a way to fix this problem? I guess if i can get a copy of dvbdev.h file the problem is resolved.
02:43<xwl>bony, looks like apt-get install libdvb-dev
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02:46<musca>dawc: is arm wrestling a popular sport in Dagupan/Philippines?
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02:58<macfreak>any vpn gurus around ?
02:59<Sicelo>!ask
02:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
02:59<macfreak>I have 50/4Mbit internet connection
03:00<macfreak>but when I connect through vpn pptp from outside, my transfer rate from ubuntu over smb protocol is 20-25KBps
03:01<macfreak>mtu is set to auto negotiate and settles at around 1200
03:01<macfreak>can't believe that the low transfer rate is caused by encryption alone
03:02<macfreak>server is a P4/2800Mhz
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03:07<macfreak>Also tried configuring my ddwrt as vpn server. The transfer is even slower then
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03:11<TaZeR>hello fellow debianites
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03:27<bony>xwl, i tried that
03:28<bony>xwl, libdvb-dev is installed
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03:58<articfaq>does anyone know how to access LVM partitions without a volume group name?
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04:17<brao> i need help with install.
04:18<brao> can anyone.......?
04:19<brao>Icarus: what are you doing? < Icarus> Just playing with myself.
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04:20<brao> yeah?
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04:59<sharpK>is there an apt-get command I can run (with backports) to upgrade my kernel to 3.2 (from 2.6)? the installation does something then I get an "END" line, and nothing really happens...?
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05:01<weasel>yes. and huh?
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05:02<sharpK>weasel, I'm thinking maybe I am entering the wrong apt-get or something, because it never goes through
05:02<sharpK>jsut kind of sits and nothing happens...
05:02<sml>sharpK: apt-get install linux-image-2.6 ?
05:03<sharpK>sml, is that to upgrade the kernel from 2.6 to 3.2?
05:03<sml>yes. if you're using backports
05:03<sharpK>i am on 2.6 (squeeze) right now..
05:03<sharpK>oh, ok...
05:03<sml>apt-get -t squeeze-backports
05:03<sharpK>I'll try that righ tnow
05:03<sml>think you need to specify the target release when using backports
05:04<sml>,judd kernels
05:04<sml>,kernels
05:04<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-rc6-686-pae (3.3~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.9-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.6-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.4-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
05:04<sml>there ya go. 3.2's in backports. it did take a longtime for a 3.x kernel to get into bpo
05:05<sharpK>so would the command be "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae" ?
05:05<weasel>no.
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05:05<weasel>run apt-cache search linux-image
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05:09<sharpK>okay, so I see all the image files, and one of them is 3.2 amd64, would I then apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 ??
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05:11<weasel>for instance, or you install the meta-package (linux-image-amd64) from backports
05:11<weasel>it should depend on the most recent available kernel (and pull in the other package now, and new ones when they get added)
05:13<sharpk[deb]>weasel, well, just tried that apt-get I mentioned, and it tells me it has unmet dependencies...
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05:14<weasel>sharpk[deb]: either use -t squeeze-backports, or install the things it depends on from squeeze-backports too. apt-get install linux-image... foo/squeeze-backports bar/squeeze-backports
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05:17<sharpk[deb]>tried that same image file name with -t squeeze-backports and it gave me a y/n, went through with it and now this is what I have: http://pastebin.com/sHrwuJT4
05:17<sharpk[deb]>not sure if that means it's installing...
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05:23<sharpK>still that same text...
05:23<weasel>you are in a pager that shows you text.
05:24<weasel>maybe you should tell it that you have read it, or that you don't care what it has to show you.
05:24<weasel>it's waiting on you.
05:25<sharpK>this may be ridiculous but I'm not sure what to input to make it go away
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05:25<sharpK>it's not asking me to input anything...
05:25<weasel>q
05:27<weasel>(why did you install apt-listchanges, if you don't care about it and are just confused by what it does?)
05:27<sharpK>yup, that did it, is this a standard or something, cause it didn't say that anywhere...?
05:27<sharpK>I don't htink I ever did
05:27<sharpK>I am on (obviously) my first, clean debian install...
05:27<sharpK>squeeze from USB netimage...
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05:32<sml>weasel: isn't apt-listchanges now inclided in 6.0.4 by default?
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05:32<sml>i've alwasy installed it myself manually (and listbugs) back when I ran sid. BUt have noticed it's now installed on some of my stable boxes and i didn't install it
05:33<weasel>sml: it's not in a minimal install.
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05:38<sml>a bit offtopic but a quickie just on the offchance someone knows. is running a virtual disk (as in, vdi, vdmx etc) any more prone to corruption that a 'physical' disk?
05:38<sharpK>phew, okay, i'm finally booted into 3.2 it's weirdly displaying the desktop on the top 3/4s of my screen, so all I need now (hopefully) is to get the nvidia drivers going. I tried backports for the nvidia-kernel-dkms but it says packages necessary are uninstallable?
05:38<sml>sharpK: i think the nvidia stuff can be a pain in the backside to get working sometimes..
05:39<sharpK>backside meaning 3.2? cause it went smoothly in 2.6...?
05:39<sml>sharpK: no i mean getting it working in general. as in the drivers etc.
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05:40<sharpK>should it be any harder in 3.2 than in 2.6?
05:40<sml>sharpK: I can't see why it should be.
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05:43<sharpK>sml well, I had all the nvidia drivers working perfectly in 2.6, actually everything was perfect with the exception of audio over HDMI, which after 3-4 days of reading and consulting through various mediums (including many IRC questions) I just couldn't get to work. Someone told me yesterday a module that is available on 3.2 which isn't on 2.6 could be it, so now that I'm finally here on 3.2
05:43<sharpK>(and I can see the HDMI device on aplay -l) I am hoping that installing the nvidia x server and drivers can finally get everything working...
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05:47<sml>sharpK: did you change to hdmi out in the gnome wotsit? i seem to recall you have to change your audio profile to use the hdmi out
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05:48<sharpK>not sure if anyone suggested that but I don't recall it immediately, so I might not have tried it..
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05:48<sharpK>but now in 3.2 it does show the HDMI device in aplay -l
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06:13<ayaka>i want to translate http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=linkto%3A%22ArmHardFloatPort%22, is there any thing i should i attention?
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06:18<derickx>how do I add this permanently on Debian? echo 2048 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq
06:19<devil>derickx: you got the answer right there
06:19<derickx>devil, it's gone after reboot
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06:23<devil>hm, never tried this in /sys
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06:24<@Ganneff>/etc/rc.local
06:25<derickx>Ganneff, put it there?
06:25<@Ganneff>sure
06:26<derickx>max_user_freq = 2048
06:26<derickx>?
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06:27<@Ganneff>read the header of the script, then try again
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06:28*derickx just a user
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06:29<derickx>or just the whole command?
06:29<derickx> echo 2048 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq
06:30<derickx>and exit stays 0 or should be 1?
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06:36<derickx>?
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06:42<derickx>Ganneff, ?
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07:01<sharpK>so after installing a bunch of nvidia drivers, if I have an xorg.conf file, I can't boot into desktop (just blinks a cursor), now that I've deleted the xorg.conf file, I can boot into desktop (with a weird resolution and no ability to control anything through nvidia settings), any ideas?
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07:04<towo`>sharpK, without /var/log/Xorg.0.log no one can say anything
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07:08<sharpK>towo`, http://pastebin.com/3a8y2DJM
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07:09<towo`>sharpK, your system is using fbdev
07:09<towo`>sharpK, if you want the binary blob, you need a xorg.conf
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07:09<towo`>sharpK, it seems, nouveau does not support you secret graphicscard
07:10<sharpK>towo` ok... well, when I "nvidia xconfig" it created an xorg.conf file. But that's what stopped me from booting...
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07:10<sharpK>and the card is a geforce gt 220
07:10<sharpK>all these drivers did work fine in 2.6 (I am not in 3.2)
07:11<towo`>sharpK, that's logical, because the nouveau kernel-driver isloaded
07:11<sharpK>towo` is there anything I can do?
07:11<towo`>sharpK, in which way you have installed the nvidia-driver?
07:12<sharpK>towo` apt-get install whole bunch of different nvidia stuff (kernel-dkms, glx, kernel-common, some others)
07:12<towo`>sharpK, dpkg -l | grep nvidia
07:13<towo`>but i see it
07:13<sharpK>towo` http://pastebin.com/Tt3UXjNs
07:13<towo`>195.36.31 will never ever work on kernel 3.2
07:13<sharpK>should I try the backport?
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07:14<towo`>if you want kernel 3.2 you need a recent driver
07:14<sharpK>is there an apt-get for one?
07:14<sharpK>and should I remove all the current nvidia ones installed?
07:14<towo`>sure
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07:15<towo`>and i do not use debian stable, so i don't know, if there is a backport for nvidia
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07:15<sharpK>towo` do any of these make sense: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports
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07:18<towo`>i don't know, if this driver is working with 3.2
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07:20<ayaka>towo' i am sure it works
07:20<sharpK>ayaka, do share...
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07:21<ayaka>sharpK i am afraid i can't understand yoy, could you speak in plain english
07:22<sharpK>ayaka, you said you were sure that the nvidia driver works with 3.2? can you tell me what you are using, how you installed the nvidia driver that works on 3.2?
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07:26<ayaka>sharpK not the same card, both run file and backports' deb can
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07:27<sharpK>towo` well, in case the backports don't work, any idea why 3.2 is showing me my HDMI audio out device, and 2.6 didn't (this is the only reason I am on 3.2, everything including graphics worked perfectly on 2.6 but I tried for 3 days and couldn't get HDMI audio device to show up [nothing came up on lplay -a])?
07:27<sharpK>ayaka, can you tell me the specific package or maybe the apt-get command you used for your backport drivers?
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07:29<towo`>sharpK, because nouveau in kernel 2.6 is way to old for hdmi
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07:29<towo`>sharpK, with the binary blob i have no clue about hdmi
07:29<sharpK>towo
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07:30<sharpK>towo` so there's nothing to be done in 2.6 to make the audio hdmi work?
07:30<towo`>i do not know
07:30<sharpK>oh...
07:30<towo`>i don't own a card with hdmi
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07:31<sharpK>I see. well, I know the hdmi audio out and graphics did work on ubuntu 11.10, is that running a different kernel than 2.6?
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07:35<ayaka>sharpK sorry i forgot
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07:54<jasox>how to remove evolution without removing gnome from debian?
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07:56<ayaka>jasox hard, just remaind it, it doesn't take much place
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07:57<devil>jasox: marking it as manualy installed might help
07:57<jasox>how can I do that, devil ?
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07:59<jasox>aptitude keep-all
07:59<jasox>i guess this command
08:00<towo`>what's the problem with removing evolution?
08:00<towo`>apt-get purge evolution and it's gone
08:01<jasox>The following packages will be REMOVED:
08:01<jasox> evolution* evolution-plugins* gnome*
08:01<towo`>and?
08:01<towo`>gnome is only a metapackage
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08:02<jasox>don't want to try it :D
08:03<towo`>i do not see your problem
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08:03<towo`>again, gnome is a metapackage, there is nothing, that will be removed
08:05<lechevalier>i cannot use evolution
08:06<lechevalier>i use thunderbird
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08:08<lechevalier>how to use evolution ?
08:09<towo`>install it?
08:09<towo`>start in? use it?
08:10<devil>too easy
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08:42<Deltatash>Hi, I have added this to my sources.list http://pastebin.com/etTHb4Lq and then I run apt-get update and then apt-get install wine. The problem is it always installs the out dated verison of wine 1.1 that is in my synaptics packet manager by default. what Command do I use to install the stable 1.4 version now that I have the sources added to my sources.list?
08:43<Deltatash>also I have added the key, so I am not sure why it keeps installing the old version of wine now it has the source to the newer stable version
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08:45<ayaka>you should use backports
08:45<ayaka>!backports
08:45<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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08:46<Deltatash>hmm is there a backport for wine 1.4 then for Debian 6.0?
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08:49<Deltatash>so basically I need to add this "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" ? to my sources.list for latest stable version of wine?
08:49<ayaka>no, as i know , the wine in it has been freezed
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08:50<Deltatash>so how do I get 1.4 :s
08:50<Deltatash>apart from going to the site and compiling it myself from source :s
08:50<ayaka>i mean the wine in 6.0
08:51<ayaka>backports should have it or you can compile youself
08:51<Deltatash>ahh ok
08:51<Deltatash>thanks Ill try backports now
08:51<fasta>ayaka: that's just so easy to say.
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08:52<fasta>ayaka: it is often the case that new software cannot be compiled on old systems (like Squeeze)
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08:54<Deltatash>hmm using backports I got an even older verstion..wtf :s
08:54<Deltatash>Did I do it correctly ? I added "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" to my sources.list then I ran apt-get update then I used " aptitude -t squeeze-backports install wine"
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08:56<Deltatash>or did I use the wrong commands to get a more up to date version of wine with backports?
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09:11<abrotman>judd: versions wine
09:11<judd>Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.5; experimental: 1.1.24-2
09:11<abrotman>Deltatash: there isn't a newer wine in backports
09:11<Deltatash>ahh ok :(
09:11<Deltatash>well thanks anyway guys
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09:11<Deltatash>suppose if I want anything newer ill have to compile from source?
09:11<Deltatash>from the website download
09:12<abrotman>or help the wine maintainer
09:12<Deltatash>yeah
09:12<Deltatash>well I need to go now I got work. I will look into this later tonight or tomorrow maybe
09:12<Deltatash>thanks again for the info and support guys :)
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09:26<ayaka>fasta in fact it can, but i have compile many package in it, so i am not usre
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09:44<massood>hi dudes
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09:58<sml>what's the difference between racoon and openswan? and is ipsec a 'better' way of doing tunnelling than , say, OpenVPN. at the moment i dynamically proxy using ssh.
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10:14<darthmoul>hello
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10:20<darthmoul>hello
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10:35<ejm>Good afternoon Debian
10:35<ejm>Serious issue, which anyone rarely notices...
10:35<ejm>I have Debian installed with LXDE / OpenBox
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10:36<ejm>when attempting to execute a Java application (java -jar xxx.jar), the app doesn't run
10:37<ejm>Java application excuted in this manner do not work in LXDE / Openbox, however, there is no problem with doing this in KDE
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10:44<valdyn>ejm: why are you telling us?
10:46<ejm>Because I'm using Debian
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10:47<valdyn>!ask
10:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:48<Sicelo>wfm with lxde. i agree with valdyn though
10:48<ejm>I asked
10:48<ejm>Why isn't excecuting a Java application in Debian w/ LXDE working?
10:48<valdyn>ejm: It seems obvious to me that its not possible to debug this with such vague information.
10:49<Sicelo>ejm: works for me
10:49<valdyn>ejm: is it just *one* app or *any* .jar ?
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10:49<Sicelo>also, which jre you have ..
10:49<ejm>Its' any Java app that I try to run from the command line using the 'jar' command in java
10:49<ejm>1.6.24
10:49<ejm>jre
10:50<valdyn>ejm: which apps did you try?
10:50<sml>any preference these days with racoon (ipsec-tools) and openswan? not sure which to use for a new installation.
10:50<ejm>I tried HeliosPaint
10:50<ejm>It's a free download, and it works on my other laptop using KDE with Arch Linux
10:50<ejm>But not with Debian (or Ubuntu) with LXDE
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10:50<valdyn>ejm: why do you think the desktop environment makes the difference?
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10:51<ejm>valdyn, Because Java required a proper desktoop env to run
10:51<ejm>*deskto environment
10:51<valdyn>ejm: now thats news to me
10:51<derickx>new RT kernel hangs here by ACPI
10:51<shuynut>probando
10:52<valdyn>ejm: java typically requires no such thing
10:52<derickx>what could that be?
10:52<ejm>valdyn, You running LXDE?
10:52<valdyn>ejm: nope
10:52<ejm>Well then, you wouldn't know what I'm referring to then
10:52<derickx>I've acpi-cpufreq in /etc/modules dunno if it's related
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10:52<valdyn>ejm: the point is, that you tried once on debian, once on arch, and you tell us the difference is just kde
10:52<Sicelo>ejm, i am
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10:53<valdyn>ejm: run "java -version" on both systems and tell us each output
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10:55<ejm>Sicelo, Can you do a test for me? It will be quick
10:55<ejm>valdyn, It's java version "1.6.0_23" on both my laptops (Arch Linux and Debian)
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10:56<valdyn>ejm: thats not the complete output
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10:57<ejm>valdyn, Here's Debian:
10:57<ejm>java version "1.6.0_23"
10:57<ejm>OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.11pre) (6b23~pre11-0ubuntu1.11.10.2)
10:57<ejm>OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.0-b11, mixed mode)
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11:01<ejm>Here is Arch Linux: java version "1.6.0_23" , Java (TH) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0 23) , Java HotSpot (TH) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.1, mixed mode)
11:01<valdyn>ejm: so this isnt debian, but its also not the same virtual machines
11:02<ejm>I told you, I have two laptops with two Linux distros
11:02<valdyn>ejm: yea
11:02<ejm>The one not working with my Java apps is the Debian distro
11:02<ejm>Arch Linux with Java works fine
11:02<valdyn>ejm: so you didnt show me java -version of that one yet
11:02<ejm>sure I have
11:02<ejm>look up
11:03<valdyn>ejm: i see a ubuntu version
11:03<ejm>You don't see my Arch linux Jav info just above this?
11:03<ejm>it's all there
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11:03<ejm>Should I copy and paste here again?
11:04<valdyn>ejm: no, its not there, i see 2 distinct versions
11:04<Erbureth>valdyn: "Here is Arch Linux: java version "1.6.0_23" , Java (TH) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0 23) , Java HotSpot (TH) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.1, mixed mode)" ?
11:04<valdyn>ejm: no, copy and paste you should and should have done on a paste site
11:04<ejm>valdyn, It's all here
11:04<valdyn>Erbureth: yea, thats arch, not debian
11:04<ejm>And Debian is just prior to that
11:05<Erbureth>valdyn: and debian is OpenJDK
11:05<Erbureth>ah, i see
11:05<valdyn>Erbureth: i see ubuntu, not debian
11:05<valdyn>Erbureth: OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.11pre) (6b23~pre11-0ubuntu1.11.10.2)
11:05<Erbureth>valdyn: just noticed
11:05<ejm>Erbureth, Ubuntu is based on Debian
11:05<gnugr>lol
11:06<Erbureth>ejm: Ubuntu != Debian
11:06<valdyn>ejm: ozone is also based on oxygen, try breathing it
11:06<ejm>Erbureth, The same result occurred with Debian, which I uninstalled
11:06<sney>!ubuntuirc
11:06<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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11:06<valdyn>ejm: switch vm to suns hotspot wherever its not working
11:06<ejm>Trust me, I got the same result with Debian
11:07<ejm>Perhaps I'll install Debian with LXDE once again and paste my results here?
11:07<sney>ejm, that's irrelevant, #debian only supports actual Debian installs. the rules are very clear on that point.
11:07<ejm>They are the same
11:07<sney>if you did then we could help
11:07<sney>or you could try in #ubuntu
11:07<sney>your choice.
11:07<Erbureth>sney: however this sounds like openjdk bug anyway
11:07<ejm>I was here just last night while I still had Debian installed.
11:08<ejm>Erbureth, That's what it may be, and OpenJDK bug
11:08<ejm>*an
11:09<sney>Erbureth, well, if you want to open the can of worms of supporting derivatives that's up to you, but maybe you could take it to a pm or another channel
11:10<Erbureth>sney: i was just stating
11:10<ejm>I'll install Debian in one hour, along with LXDE, and show you my results...they are the same
11:11<valdyn>ejm: could you please switch vms to suns hotspot and try again?
11:11<ejm>sure
11:11<valdyn>ejm: do you get the first dialogue even where its not working?
11:13<ejm>I do get the dialogue (splash screen), after that, no application, just a blank screen
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11:14<valdyn>ejm: ok, then i can reproduce this
11:14<ejm>However, the splash / dialogue screen comes up even without a Java VM installed
11:14<ejm>valdyn, You have the same result with Heliospaint?
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11:15<valdyn>ejm: without a java vm installed you cant actually run the .jar file
11:15<valdyn>ejm: not exactly, but similar
11:15<ejm>valdyn, I know, but for some reason, the dialogue screen came up anyway
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11:15<ejm>I ran: java -jar HeliosPaint.jar
11:15<valdyn>ejm: that just means you had some vm
11:16<ejm>I gave permissions first: chmod 777 HeliosPaint.jar
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11:17<valdyn>ejm: ok: debian sid: works with both suns hotspot and openjdk/icedtea. Debian squeeze: works only with suns vm
11:18<valdyn>ejm: switching vm is really easy, please dont do something silly if you dont know
11:18<ejm>valdyn, I actually uninstalled the 'debian' Java package, and manually downloaded and installed the JDK (and JRE later) from Sun, and the same result occured
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11:18<valdyn>ejm: we cant and dont support 3rd party stuff. If its packaged in debian we can support it.
11:19<ejm>is suns vm in the apt-get query?
11:19<valdyn>ejm: so all im saying is that it works with the sun hostspot as packaged in squeeze. I cant say for anything else
11:19<valdyn>ejm: In non-free, yes
11:19<ejm>ah, ok, thanks for that info
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11:20<valdyn>ejm: "apt-get install sun-java6-jdk; update-alternatives --config java", then pick the right one
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11:24<ejm>ok, I'll try it valdyn , thanks again for your utter patience
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11:24<valdyn>ejm: welcome
11:25<valdyn>ejm: its a race condition in squeeze openjdk: it sometimes works, sometimes not
11:26<valdyn>ejm: or umm, i think once that dialogue is confirmed properly it just works without it
11:27<ejm>In my case, it was always "not" ;)
11:27<sml>if you're just on a vt, how do you paste into vi?
11:27<valdyn>ejm: it has to work once *with* dialogue, so once you need suns vm
11:27<ejm>So yeah, you have a good point, it's not the desktoop environment, it's the JRE / JDK used
11:28<valdyn>!pastewithoutx
11:28<dpkg>Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://paste.debian.net; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe>
11:28<valdyn>sml: ^^
11:28<sml>valdyn: ta
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11:52<dupondje>Hi, got some question about initramfs. I have aesni-intel module in my initramfs. Now I see that it gets loaded, but I should know WHEN its loaded actually. particulary if its loaded BEFORE dm-crypt or after. Any idea's how i'm able to debug that ?
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11:54<sney>remove 'quiet' from your boot line in grub would probably do it, though you'll have to watch the screen closely as it will be moving fast
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11:57<dupondje>sney: thing is that loading the module doesn't give any output, it loads silently :)
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11:59<dentifrice>dupondje: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639832
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12:01<dupondje>dentifrice: I know, thats what i'm trying to debug atm :)
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12:07<testr>Hi Everybody!
12:07<testr>Does anyone have a 'home brew' compiled 'linux-kbuild' package at hand for linux-2.6 ver. 3.3-rcX on amd64 arch.?
12:07<testr>I would be pleased to get a copy of it, or you may wish to point me to useable source code for me to compile.
12:07<testr>I am very grateful at your helping me now.
12:07<testr>Please, answer me by email at vecu.bosseur@gmail.com ; THX
12:07<testr>Sincerely,
12:07<testr>Valentin.
12:08<sney>how many channels did you post that in
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12:09<sney>testr: you'll get much better results if you don't treat IRC as a distributed network of your own servants
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12:17<testr>sney: >Dear Sney, I think I didn't do what you believe. In fact, I think my topic is cross-related, and their is the barrier of the language too...
12:17<testr>I might have speard my message too broadly, possibly, but no one can judge. I still think I'm fair. Thanks for comment, thought .
12:17<testr>Kind regards, Sney.
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12:22<sml>wtf? :)
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12:51<Nik05>hey guys is there a aptitude packages without the GUI thingy?
12:51<Nik05>so its not as heavy as aptitude is
12:51<Nik05>and i dont mean apt-get
12:52<freezer>lol
12:52<freezer>dpkg?
12:52<Nik05>no i just need the aptitude commandline program
12:53<Zaba>so don't install aptitude-gtk?
12:53<Nik05>no i dont mean that
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12:53<Nik05>when you start aptitude without parameters, you get some kind of GUI
12:54<Nik05>i dont use that, like many people i think
12:54<daemonkeeper>So use apt-get.
12:54<Nik05>but it is still loaded into memory
12:54<daemonkeeper>So use apt-get.
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12:54<Nik05>the question is, is there a package that is a clone of aptitude but without the aptitude gui
12:54<Nik05>so not apt-get
12:55<daemonkeeper>Yes, we call it 'apt-get'.
12:55<Nik05>no apt-get is not aptitude
12:55<daemonkeeper>So, what is apt-get then, if you strip the GUI interface from aptitude?
12:55<Nik05>different program
12:55<daemonkeeper>Exactly your point.
12:55<Nik05>totally different
12:56<daemonkeeper>*sigh* If you say so.
12:56<Nik05>it is -_-
12:56<Nik05>But the question still is, is there a aptitude clone with the GUI stripped?
12:57<Nik05>apt-cache search ~U is not working for example daemonkeeper
12:57<Zaba>yeah.. it's a 3.8MB executable. What a big deal.
12:57<Nik05>well its pretty memory heavy
12:57<Zaba>not even for my 11 years old laptop
12:58<dupondje>Hmz, KEYMAP is set to y in initramfs, but still I get qwerty layout at boottime, any idea ?
12:58<Nik05>Zaba it was just a question
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12:58<Nik05>but i guess no one can answer it :P
12:58<Nik05>Is there a clone without GUI or not?
12:59<Nik05>Guess not :P
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12:59<Zaba>daemonkeeper, FWIW, aptitude has the "smart" dependency conflict resolver and what not
12:59<Zaba>when compared to apt-get
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13:00<Nik05>ok what i mean, is there an aptitude clone without ncurses?
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13:00<daemonkeeper>Zaba: That does not contradict to what I said.
13:00<Nik05>it does :P
13:00<Zaba>daemonkeeper, but it does, you said that aptitude without the TUI is called apt-get, when it's different
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13:02<daemonkeeper>Zaba: Well, I'm sure I can tell you about 10 more differences. That said, the core functionality is the same. Of course they use different algorithms to come there, that's the whole point of aptitude.
13:02<Nik05>yes daemon, and my question was if there was a program that uses the algorithms aptitude uses
13:02<Nik05>but without ncurses
13:02<Nik05>so has nothing to do with apt-get
13:02<Guest5762>I've installed truecrypt, I need this to decrypt a container with accounts information and such. (tell me if there's a handy alternative to truecrypt that is FOSS) when trying to mount a cointainer it asks for a password, both passwords I give are said wrong, but I am pretty sure it's the right admin/user passwords. and no it's not the encryption key
13:02<Zaba>daemonkeeper, it's safe to assume that if somebody is looking for aptitude without the TUI, they care -precisely- about one ore more of those differences
13:03<Zaba>Nik05, but why do you care? Are you on a very memory-constrained system?
13:03<Nik05>yes
13:03<valdyn>Nik05: why without ncurses? aptitude already has a command line interface....
13:03<Nik05>valdyn ncurses get loaded even when not using ncurses
13:03<led_belly>aptitude-gtk
13:03<valdyn>Nik05: i do not understand how that can be a problem
13:04<daemonkeeper>Zaba: Probably not. From the pure command line both programs behave very similar, except that aptitude incorporates functions several other apt-* helper have and lack some other features like patterns.
13:04<valdyn>Nik05: considering aptitude memory usage is orders of magnitude higher due to things unrelated to ncurses
13:04<daemonkeeper>s/lack/has some features apt doesn't/
13:04<valdyn>Nik05: but did you look at aptitude compile time configuration?
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13:06<Nik05>no valdy
13:06<diego__>hi, I'm trying to see if my battery is screwed up ... it says Battery 0: design capacity 4400 mAh, last full capacity 640 mAh = 14%
13:06<diego__>and the graphic interface says "serial: bad"
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13:08<freezer>why do you want this
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13:11<sml>you know that you can use ssh -D and create a locally running proxy that then tunnels traffic via your remote ssh server? can a similar solution be done via ipsec natively? would save me having to run ssh and would be a bit nicer. happy to go read up, just want to know if this is possible/simple
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13:16<holger>hej
13:17<holger>hej
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13:23<Guest5762>maybe if I run truecrypt as root
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13:24<sml>Guest5762: truecrypt isn't part of debian
13:25<sml>im not sure why it doesn't work but running it as root doesn't sound like a great idea. do you just want to encyprt a drive? can't you use luks?
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13:25<Guest5762>decrypt
13:25<Guest5762>I don't know
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13:28<Guest5762>I need an alternative
13:28<Guest5762>because I runned it with root privileges
13:28<Guest5762>what do I do?
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13:28<Guest5762>put user on sudoers file and do sudo ?
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13:29<sml>Guest5762: not really sure. i've only used truecrypt on the mac and that was before OS X had full system encryption
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13:29<sml>now i just use LUKS on my laptops
13:32<Guest5762>can I decrypt a truecrypt cointainer with it?
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13:34<Guest5762>debian and firefox seems much more slow
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13:34<Guest5762>maybe I forgot some acceleration hardware
13:34<Guest5762>how do I check?
13:34<Guest5762>I know there is a integrated onboard nvidia graphics card
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13:36<garn32>have you installed the nvidia drivers, Guest?
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13:38<Guest5762>probably not
13:39<garn32>Guest, try running 'lsmod | grep nvida'
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13:40<Guest5762>garn32, nothing
13:41<garn32>guest, you can either install the drivers from your repository, or you can install them manually
13:42<Guest5762>how do I do the first thing?
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13:42<garn32>the drivers in the repository will be a little but older but are generally much more stable, are you running 32-bit or 64-bit?
13:43<Guest5762>32
13:44<garn32>'sudo aptitude install nvidia-kernel-195.36.31', should do the trick for you
13:44<ompaul>Guest5762: the garn32 comand was slightly off try >> lsmod | grep nvidia <<
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13:44<garn32>thanks ompaul
13:45<ompaul>garn32: many eyes make us all shallow ;-)
13:46<Guest5762>so first I need make sudo work for my user
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13:47<garn32>Guest, have you run visduo and enabled the %sudo group?
13:47<garn32>visudo*
13:47<Guest5762>no
13:48<Guest5762>trying
13:49<garn32>as root run the command 'visudo'
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13:49<varialus>Guest5762, TrueCrypt doesn't need to be run as root. When it requires root privileges, it will ask for your password. I'm not sure whether it requires your user to sudo root privileges, but when I have used it, my user did have sudo root privileges. Running at as root is generally not recommended, but it should work fine.
13:49<Guest5762>yes, what's the exact line
13:50<garn32>look for a line '#%sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL' and remove the # at the front of the line
13:50<Guest5762>it's enabled
13:50<Guest5762>:(
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13:51<Guest5762>varialus, so i need get my sudo working
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13:52<garn32>Guest 'sudo usermod -aG sudo <username>', will add them to the sudo group on the system
13:52<Guest5762>done
13:52<Guest5762>it worked
13:53<garn32>Guest, open up a new shell and run 'groups', sudo should be listed
13:53<Guest5762>you are a genius
13:53<Guest5762>it is
13:53<Guest5762>thanks you garn32 , you are very helpful
13:53<Guest5762>thank*
13:54<garn32>did you rerun the 'lsmod | grep nvidia' to check for the nvidia module, ompaul pointed out a typo in the command
13:54<Guest5762>I did, it returned nothing
13:54<garn32>ok
13:55<garn32>then try running 'sudo aptitude install nvidia-kernel-195.36.31' again
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13:55<Guest5762>done
13:56<Guest5762>wait
13:56<Guest5762>no matchs for that package
13:56<Guest5762>matches*
13:56<garn32>guest, try running 'aptitude search nvidia-kernel'
13:56<varialus>I'm somewhat familiar with TrueCrypt on the command line. I haven't used the GUI in a long time, but from what I remember, it was pretty straight forward.
13:57<Guest5762>returns nothing garn32
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13:58<garn32>try 'apt-cache search nvidia-kernel'
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13:58<garn32>paste-bin the results
13:58<Guest5762>result is null
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13:59<garn32>ok, try 'sudo aptitude update', this might take a little while if you internet connection is slow
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14:00<Guest5762>ok
14:00<Guest5762>done
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14:01<Guest5762>both commands still returning null after that
14:01<garn32>can you paste-bin your /etc/apt/sources.list file for me?
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14:01<Guest5762>of course
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14:02<Guest5762>http://pastebin.com/cj3h6mGV
14:03<garn32>ok, you'll need to add 'non-free' to the end of lines 8, 9, 11, and 12
14:03<Guest5762>ok
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14:04<garn32>what's happening, is that the nvidia drivers aren't fully open source so debian doesn't keep them as part of the main repository, so your adding the repositories that have the drivers
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14:04<garn32>after, you've added those lines rerun 'sudo aptitude update'
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14:06<Guest5762>garn32, lots of search results
14:06<garn32>try 'sudo aptitude install nvidia-kernel-195.36.31' again then
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14:08<Guest5762>http://pastebin.com/KEpetrn2
14:09<garn32>Guest, what does 'uname -r' return?
14:09<Guest5762>2.6.32-5-686
14:09<garn32>then you'll want 'nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686'
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14:11<Guest5762>http://pastebin.com/1sry4Yms
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14:12<garn32>try 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia'
14:12<Guest5762>null
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14:14<garn32>ok, go back to the 'etc/apt/sources.list' file and and the contrib word to the same lines as before
14:15<garn32>woops '/etc/apt/sources.list'
14:15<Guest5762>ok
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14:16<garn32>Guest, you'll need to run 'sudo aptitude update' again
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14:16<Guest5762>right
14:17<Guest5762>+187 things added
14:17<garn32>try installing the nvidia-kernel again
14:17<Guest5762>ok
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14:18<Guest5762>http://pastebin.com/TVTbGkt0
14:19<garn32>use the 'nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686' package
14:19<Guest5762>installing
14:19<Guest5762>done
14:19<Guest5762>it installed
14:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 492] by debhelper
14:20<garn32>try running 'lsmod | grep nvidia' again
14:20<Guest5762>null
14:20<garn32>try 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia', again
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14:21<Guest5762>http://pastebin.com/HrgnHrm1
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14:22<ejm>Hey Valdyn?
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14:23<garn32>Guest, you should be able to reboot your system at this point and have the nvidia drivers installed
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14:24<Guest5762>garn32, thank you very much
14:24<Guest5762>:)
14:24<ejm>Valdyn, I took a different approach with the Java JVM, customized it manually, and I found a solution...it works well!
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14:26<valdyn>ejm: neat
14:26<ejm>valdyn, I would recommend this over using any package from the repositories...let me explain what I did, ok?
14:27<valdyn>ejm: sure, go ahead
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14:27<ejm>valdyn, I first download and set permissions for: jdk-6u30-linux-x64.bin (from Sun's site)
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14:27<ejm>..then I extracted it running ./jdk....
14:28<ejm>The key was to go into /etc/profile.d to set up a script for the environmental variables
14:28<ejm>so, now, when I run java -version, I get:
14:28<ejm>java version "1.6.0_30"
14:28<ejm>Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_30-b12)
14:28<ejm>Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.5-b03, mixed mode)
14:28<valdyn>ejm: ok
14:29<ejm>...and all java applications invoked with "java -jar xyz.jar" work well!
14:29<valdyn>ejm: debian has premade mechanisms for this
14:29<valdyn>ejm: but i guess you thing works
14:29<valdyn>!java-package
14:29<dpkg>The java-package <contrib> package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility, for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions. It was removed from Debian post-Lenny (Debian bug #577423) and reintroduced in February 2012. java-package currently supports Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7. Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>.
14:29<valdyn>ah, java-package is gone...
14:29<ejm>valdyn, I can submit one
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14:30<user>garn32, significantly faster :)
14:30<valdyn>ejm: that was a tool to create debian packages from random sun java downloads
14:30<garn32>cool, you have any other problems?
14:30<Alam_Lenny>valdyn: no, it said it been reintroduced
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14:30<valdyn>Alam_Lenny: oh, my bad
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14:30<ejm>valdyn, I can submit such a tool
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14:31<valdyn>ejm: read what dpkg said, its in debian
14:31<Guest5780>let's see if I can use truecrypt properly
14:31<ejm>valdyn, Ok. Nevertheless, the way I approaches was very "simple", and I would highly recommend anyone doing this, and avoiding the prepacked Java in the repos
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14:32<ejm>*approached
14:32<valdyn>ejm: why?
14:32<valdyn>ejm: I mean, whats wrong with debians java packages?
14:32<ejm>Because this now works with any Java application downloaded into your directory
14:32<Guest5780>garn32, it worked just fine, because of the sudo thing :)
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14:33<ejm>The prepackaged Debian Java packages don't work with all Java apps
14:33<garn32>Guest, cool
14:33<ejm>I just had proven it today with this example
14:33<valdyn>ejm: squeeze java packages are bound to be "old"
14:33<valdyn>ejm: but thats a feature
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14:33<ejm>valdyn: This works beautifully now, but I'm so glad you pointed out it was a "Java" issue, and not a GUI issue, so I think you for that lead
14:34<ejm>*thank you
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14:34<ejm>I purged all of my Java repository packages and use what I set up
14:35<ejm>JDK has JRE in it, so that's great
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14:36<ejm>A "key" was setting up the environmental variables in /etc/profile.d with a basic simple script
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14:43<ejm>Valdyn, even the "Wheezy" Java packages were as old as dinosaurs ;)
14:44<ejm>...and they also didn't work with all java apps
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14:54<sml>ejm: and you also have problems with very recent packages. for example i run java 1.7 and it doesn't work with minecraft! shock horror!
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15:05<ejm>sml, This is why I avoided JDK / JRE version 1.7, I installed the latest and greatest 1.6, and it works well with Minecraft as well
15:06<ejm>sml, The issue with Minecraft not working with Java 1.7 is with one of Minecraft's libraries which isn't compatible (yet) with it
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15:06<ejm>So, Java 1.7 is fine, only Minecraft has to adjust it
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15:11<sml>ejm: i only installed java for minecraft so.. bit of a bummer for me to find that out. but anyway, there is a workaround i use
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15:12<ejm>sml, do what I just did, and Minecraft will work fine!
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15:19<sml>ejm: I can't be bothered to remove 1.7 and then install 1.6 (though technically i could have both co-exist). Also 1.7 is *supposed* to be a lot faster. And like I say, it works. Which is the main thing :)
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15:30<juhaj>Can someone explain to me what is going on: http://packages.debian.org/sid/python-petsc4py claims the package exists in unstable, yet no machine I have sees it except in squeeze
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16:33<Guest5787>hola
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16:36<skypce>hola
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16:37<garn32>hello
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16:38<gmaster>hola
16:38<gmaster>hay alguna sala en español? :S
16:38<retrospectacus>!es
16:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:40<gmaster>thanks!
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16:44<macfreak>why is my vpn so slow ? Im on a 50/4Mbit line and vpn speed is 20KB pr sec
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16:48<ompaul>and the other end is on what - and what vpn software and is it a transit point with a lot of other transit
16:48<ompaul>and what versions of debian on both ends of that
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16:50<ompaul>macfreak: ^^ those questions might be useful for you and the channel
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17:26<Dezmodium>hey guys. just installed the LXDE version of squeeze (from the LXDE site). I'm trying to set up wireless but there is no "network manager" or "wicd" program. any suggestions for a linux newb?
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18:06<ChrisKnadle>Dezmodium: That's confusing -- obviously Debian Squeeze contains both network-manager and wicd, so I don't know why "the LXDE version" woudln't also.
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18:07<ChrisKnadle>Dezmodium: best suggestion I can think of is to change repositories on that box to use the standard Debian ones so you can install network-manager or wicd. [I personally greatly prefer wicd]
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18:09<dominique_>good evening
18:10<ChrisKnadle>Dezmodium: another option for that box is to reload it via the normal installer (or via the netinst.iso) and during the initial screen, go to "Advanced Options", "Alternative desktop environments", and choose LXDE
18:10<dominique_>i've just bought a new computer and it came with linux mandriva, but i'm downloading debian squeeze... does anyone knows if the realtek RTL8111 is automatically recognized?
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18:12<streuner__>dpkg, listkeys 8111
18:12<dpkg>Factoid search of '8111' by key (3): rtl8111e ;; rtl8111dl ;; rtl8111d.
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18:13<dominique_>what does it mean?
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18:13<streuner>it means that dpkg (bot) has some entries in its db :-)
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18:14<streuner>but usually RTL's are just fine supported, but the d-i usually doesnt has the firmware...
18:14<dominique_>lol.. but does it mean the cd01 will automatically recognize my device so that i will be abble to continue the installation through wifi?
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18:14<dominique_>i'm worried because i don't have a ethernet option.. only wifi
18:14<dominique_>so if it can't recognize, i'm kind of screwed :)
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18:15<streuner>well, use the non-official isos then
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18:15<streuner>dpkg, firmware images
18:15<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse
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18:16<dominique_>if i get the netinst, do you think it will be there?
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18:18<ChrisKnadle>dominique_: The standard RTL wireless drivers available look to be RTL8180 and RTL8187
18:19<dominique_>do you know any tutorial where i can install the rtl8111?
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18:19<dominique_>its rtl8111/8168b
18:20<simonlnu>`modprobe rtl8111` perhaps?
18:21<ChrisKnadle>simonlnu: no, because there's no rtl8111 module in the default kernel, nor the default firmware set.
18:21<streuner>dpkg, rtl8168
18:21<dpkg>r8169 is a driver in the mainline Linux kernel supporting the Realtek RTL8169, RTL8168 and RTL8101 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>.
18:22<streuner>dominique_: what the pciid of that card?
18:23<dominique_>streuner: how do i find that?
18:23<streuner>dominique_: usually a live-CD is pretty useful, lspci -nn
18:25<dominique_>04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)
18:25<streuner>judd, pciid 10ec:8168
18:25<judd>[10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168
18:25<ChrisKnadle>dominique_: that's the wired controller, not wireless.
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18:26<dominique_>Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device [10ec:8176] (rev 01)
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18:26<streuner>judd, pciid 10ec:8176
18:26<judd>[10ec:8176] is 'RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rtl8192ce' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8176 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
18:26<dominique_>this one?
18:26<dominique_>hm
18:26<streuner>look what judd told us
18:27<dominique_>so if i get sid version, it will be there€
18:27<dominique_>so if i get sid version, it will be there?
18:27<ChrisKnadle>dominique_: it looks like 'r8169' is the driver for the wired ethernet controller, and comes with the stock kernel, but I don't think that helps
18:27<streuner>no, it doesnt, he needs wifi
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18:28<dominique_>i need wifi, i don't have a wired connection where i am
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18:29<dominique_>if i get only cd01.iso from sid version, i'll get the module then, right?
18:29<streuner>there is no iso for sid
18:29<streuner>you need an installer with newer kernel
18:30<streuner>maybe kmuto or some unofficial installer with firmware helps
18:30<dominique_>hm
18:31<ChrisKnadle>The firmwware you need is in Sid, part of 'firmware-realtek' package
18:31<dominique_>what if i download the driver before starting the installation?
18:31<dominique_>is there any tutorial you know/
18:31<dominique_>i can print that and install from the cd01 and then do the tutorial
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18:32<ChrisKnadle>I don't know of a tutorial off the top of my head, but I've heard of people downloading drivers/firmware and putting them on a USB stick and loading them as part of the install.
18:33<streuner>firmware
18:33<streuner>drivers are part of the kernel, you cannot just copy a driver into a kernel
18:33<ChrisKnadle>Well, yeah you can.
18:33<streuner>without compiling? :-)
18:33<ChrisKnadle>It just has to be compiled for that version of the kernel.
18:33<ChrisKnadle>Doesn't have to be done on that machine.
18:34<streuner>!kmuto
18:34<dpkg>Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03
18:34<streuner>maybe you look what kind of kernel you need in order to use that driver, if you are lucky <kmuto> is new enough...
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18:36<ChrisKnadle>Yeah those kmuto images sound promising
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18:37<ChrisKnadle>Only snag is that kernels between 2.6.38.x and 3.2.x have a power/heat regression regarding ASPM
18:37<ChrisKnadle>(but maybe not the Debian kernel versions? ;-) )
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18:39<ChrisKnadle>correction: kernels between 2.6.38 and 3.1.x have the ASPM issue. Fixed in 3.2.x
18:40<dominique_>from which kernel on can i find this module?
18:41<dominique_>i'm downloading a 2.3.9, but sid is already 3.2, according to distrowatch.com
18:42<streuner>Have you used google? :-=
18:42<ChrisKnadle>Sid has several available, but yet mainly on 3.2 AFAIK.
18:42<ChrisKnadle>yet = yes
18:43<streuner>dominique_: how about to use pciid and google, it surely shows some entry about
18:44<ChrisKnadle>not sure, but it looks like RTL8111 has been supported a long time -- I see references back to the 2.4 kernels
18:46<dominique_>ChrisKnadle: I'm looking for rtl8176/8192
18:46<streuner>http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#rtl8192ce
18:47<streuner>hm, bad luck, the factoid is up-to-date :-)
18:47*streuner hoped that the factoid was a little older, but not in this case :-)
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18:49<streuner>(so, he needs a 3.2 kernel...)
18:49<ChrisKnadle>Ugh. Okay.
18:50<ChrisKnadle>Being that the hardware is new, that isn't terribly surprising. :-/
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18:54<tralllator>hey guys,i removed apache thrue aptitude purge apache2 and removed apache2 folder in etc,now im having with installing it back,aptitude install apache2 works fine,but im missing apache2.conf file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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18:56<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf is part of the apache2.2-common package.
18:57<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: go into aptitude, select that package, press 'L' to reinstall the package.
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18:57<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: fount out which package that config file is in via 'dpkg -S <full-path-to-file>'.
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18:59<tralllator>ChrisKnadle: okay,thanks for advice,just having some problem with aptitude,it seems that it has removed itselfs too
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19:00<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: oops. ;-) you can apt-ge install it as long as you haven't removed apt or dpkg
19:01<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: and I think I've done that before myself once
19:02<tralllator>ChrisKnadle: i know,just its funny... i used aptitude purge apache2,reboot the server and now im missing aptitude :D
19:03<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: just today I learned a new aptitude trick to remove old config files still hanging around the system from dist-upgrades: 'aptitutde purge ?config-files'
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19:04<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: this purges only pakcages that have been removed but still have config files left behind.
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19:04<ring0>ChrisKnadle, nice
19:04<tralllator>hmm,
19:05<tralllator>i tried removed the entire folder apache2 with rm -r :-)
19:06<ChrisKnadle>ring0: yeah, works wonders. Another is 'dpkg -P $(deborphan)' to remove orphaned packages.
19:08<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: which directory did you do the 'rm -rf ' from? ;-)
19:08<tralllator>/etc/
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19:09<ring0>ChrisKnadle, well, i don't trust deborphan blindly ;)
19:09<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: did you do 'rm -rf apache2' ? if so, that's probably okay.
19:09<ChrisKnadle>ring0: I havne't run into trouble yet; if anything I find that I have to run it several times because other packages get orphaned as I remove orphans.
19:10<ring0>ChrisKnadle, just for example it suggests to remove gnome-common
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19:10<tralllator>Chris: i did "rm -R apache2"
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19:11<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: hmm. well, it means you probably lost your apache2 configs for websites, but that's probably not terribly serious.
19:11<wilson>Heya
19:12<wilson>Using latest Ubuntu beta and never looking back at Windows ;-)
19:12<wilson>I like this even better than Mac OSX
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19:13<ChrisKnadle>the Unity interface in Ubuntu is interesting, and a bit weird. Apparently it runs terribly slow after a couple of days due to some issue with Compiz
19:13<wilson>Im running the latest build of Compiz
19:14<wilson>haven't noticed any slow downs.
19:14<tralllator>ChrisKnadle: dont really care,i was trying to reinstall it,remove all files,configs and install everything from over
19:14<ChrisKnadle>just passing along what a friend reported that runs Ubunu. Says he has to log out/in after a couple of days because it gets slow. Doesn't crash, though.
19:14<wilson>Hummm... will look out for that.
19:14<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: that's good; was slightly worried it was a "big website host". :-P
19:15<tralllator>ChristKnadle,goosh no :D,that would be very bad :D
19:15<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: right. ;-)
19:16<tralllator>ChristKnalde,how do you "dist-upgrades: 'aptitutde purge ?config-files'"
19:16<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: *after* doing a dist-upgrade, config files are left behind, so I ran 'aptitude purge ?config-files' to clear them.
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19:18<tralllator>oh,okay,it should not help me :P
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19:18<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: not sure. you can do the same within aptitude to find packages marked "c" by searching with the / key and entering "?config-files" (without the quotes)
19:19<wilson>This might be a stupid question but, using Xchat(Is there a better one?) and it keeps saying "Cannot connect to host" Does this mean I need to port forward on my router?
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19:20<ChrisKnadle>wilson: I think the answer is no
19:20<ChrisKnadle>wilson: If you're trying to connect to IRC via SSL, there are usually differences in the port numbers
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19:21<tralllator>ChrisKnadle:anyway is there any way,how to update aptituted's pacgake dependeces ?
19:21<ChrisKnadle>wilson: actually just checked: yeah, there's something concerning firewall rules w/IRC
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19:22<ChrisKnadle>wilson: I notice that on my router I've got a module loaded for NAT related to IRC, nf_nat_irc.
19:22<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: do you mean 'aptitude update' to re-get the package list?
19:22<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: not quite sure what you might mean otherwise
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19:23<tralllator>ChrisKnadle: because dont understant,why the exactly same aptitude install apache2 for first time has,installed apache2.config and second didnt
19:23<tralllator>im sorry,for english,took a sleeping pill,because of terrible headache...
19:24<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: again, apache2.conf is not part of the 'apache2' package, it's part of the 'apache2.2-common' package.
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19:24<tralllator>i know,but why aptitude install apache2 doest solve it
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19:25<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: because I believe it's not reinstalling apache2.2-common
19:25<wilson>Chris- did you notice the module under port forwarding in the router?
19:25<Samkov>I am on debian squeeze amd64 and have been using the ATI proprietary driver provided by the stable repo. My card is a Radeon HD 5700 series and I have been having some driver issues with some applications. I just realized a newer build of the drivers have been backported so I removed the old drivers and installed the ones from squeeze backports, now water does not render in any of my games, any thoughts/ideas?
19:26<tralllator>ChrisKnadle: so i sould install aptitude install apache2 apache2.2-common ?
19:26<tralllator>right ?
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19:26<ChrisKnadle>wilson: no, I see it when I do an 'lsmod'.
19:27<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: you should /reinstall/ apache2.2-common
19:27<wilson>from terminal in ubuntu?
19:27<wilson>ok
19:27<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: 'aptitude reinstall apache2.2-common'
19:27<wilson>that showed
19:28<tralllator>chrisKnadle: last question,apache2.2-common is not included in apache2 ?
19:28<wilson>Ok, not sure what im looking for in lsmod
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19:28<ring0>wilson, one does not have to open any ports on the router, if you're just trying to use an irc-client like xchat
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19:28<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: it's a dependency for apache2, but isn't necessarily purged when you purge apache2, thus not required to be reinstalled after purging apache2.
19:29<tralllator>oh,i see
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19:29<wilson> Cycling to next server in Ubuntu Servers...
19:29<wilson>* Disconnected ().
19:29<wilson>* Looking up irc.ubuntu.com
19:29<wilson>* Connecting to chat.freenode.net (85.94.204.146) port 8001...
19:29<wilson>* Connection failed. Error: No route to host
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19:30<tralllator>So Chris,if i use "aptitude remove apache2" there left dependences wich were istalled with apache2? like apache2.2-common ?
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19:31<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: if you use 'remove' rather than 'purge', then config files are left behind associated with the apache2 package. /Regardless/ of whether you remove or purge apache2 package, the apache2.2-common pacakge may or may not be removed or purged.
19:31<wilson_>did I get bump because I did a paste?
19:32<ChrisKnadle>Aptitude does a good job of marking packages as "installed to satisfy a dependency", but apt-get does not.
19:32<ChrisKnadle>wilson_: yes. :-/
19:32<streuner>only 2 lines here please, wilson_
19:32<wilson_>no prob
19:32<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: as a result, apache2.2-common may not be automatically removed/purged when you remove/purge apache2.
19:33<wilson_>so looking at the above error... what do you think is going on?
19:33<wilson_>trying to join the ubuntu server
19:33<streuner>channel
19:33<streuner>server is freenode.net
19:34<ChrisKnadle>well, it says 'no route to host'
19:34<streuner>but, anyway, what does "ping -c1 85.94.204.146" say, and why port 8001?
19:34<ring0>ChrisKnadle, there is even a shorter way to delete configfiles: aptitude purge '~c'
19:35<streuner>maybe try chat.eu.freenode.net (130.237.188.200) Port 6667.
19:35<tralllator>ChrisKnadle: oh,i get it, so,is there any posible way,when i install apache2 (withanother importatnt parts) to remove apache2 with all those pacgakes left behind ?
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19:35<wilson_>its' whats 'built in' xchat
19:35<ChrisKnadle>ring0: yes. ;-) But I like the long method better because it's more understandable
19:35<wilson_>maybe need to update it somehow
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19:36<streuner>wilson_: default port is 6667
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19:36<ring0>ChrisKnadle, valid point :)
19:36<streuner>wilson_: it seems to me, DNS is fine...
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19:37<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: yes: within Aptitude, go to each of the packages that are dependencies for Apache2, and press 'M' to mark them as "automatically installed to satisfy dependencies"
19:37<streuner>wilson_: (look into the config of X-Chat)
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19:40<tralllator>ChrisKnadle: Thank you sir,:-)
19:40<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: :-) Thanks. Just passing along tid-bits I've learned.
19:42<tralllator>ChrisKnadle: im getting into it :-),like the community,this is mine first,but really like it :-),perhpas it could be very strange to others,
19:42<tralllator>so guys,have a nice one :-),gl and hf :-)
19:43<tralllator>heading to bed :)
19:43<ChrisKnadle>tralllator: have a good one.
19:43<tralllator>thankyou
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20:02<psycho_oreos>Hi I have an issue with dpkg --build command. First, When one builds a package, does the output of tar go into /tmp? Second, if so are there anyway for one to specify which directory should dpkg --build compile that deb file instead of /tmp?
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20:07<Exodus>Hello
20:07<Exodus>I'm looking for assistance
20:08<sharpK>anyone know if this xorg log: http://dpaste.org/XWsIA/ means that these were not loaded?
20:10<tralllator>Exodus,just ask
20:11<Exodus>@tralllator ok
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20:13<Exodus>I have debian squeeze installed of course, my issue is I have no way of connecting the computer with squeeze installed to a router. So I try to bridge from a Windows based PC and it detects the network and is assigned a local ip, but it can't access the internet. I have a wireless dongle, but I can't use it until I have wireless-tools installed, but I can't install it without the internet.
20:13<Exodus>There are several ways of going about this but also will not work. Any other suggestions on how to get wireless-tools on my system?
20:15<psycho_oreos>can't you bridge it to your router instead?
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20:16<Exodus>@psycho_oreos I have no access physical access to router as its between a floor, and the only two devices to bridge are my wireless card and eth adapter on my laptop.
20:16<Exodus>@psycho_oreos I've also tried the bridge on other computers and it works fine
20:17<psycho_oreos>Exodus, it works fine but that doesn't mean you have necessary internet connections
20:17<psycho_oreos>Exodus, also I'm not too familiar with windows but there's things like ICF/ICS you need to look at and maybe open up a few ports so that your debian box can access internet
20:19<Exodus>@psycho_oreos I'll check into it real quick, brb
20:19<psycho_oreos>Exodus, ok
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20:30<Exodus>alirght, how about this
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20:31<Exodus>I have a flash drive, can I download wireless-tools from a mirror and put it on the machine then?
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20:32<psycho_oreos>that won't necessarily work if wireless-tools has dependencies and your system does not have those dependencies
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20:33<Exodus>@psycho_oreos what would those dependencies be?
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20:34<psycho_oreos>Exodus, http://packages.debian.org/stable/wireless-tools
20:35<Exodus>@psycho_oreos So I need Linux Wireless Extensions?
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20:35<Exodus>@psycho_oreos or is that in debian already?
20:36<psycho_oreos>Exodus, I'm not sure exactly what you need, though dpkg -l| grep <pkgname> would help
20:37<Exodus>@psycho_oreos Ok, and can I use mc to go to my flash drive and run the .deb file?
20:38<psycho_oreos>Exodus, I hardly ever used mc, but otherwise, like I said you need to fulfil each of those dependencies or else dpkg will complain and die
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20:42<Exodus>@psycho_oreos I'm going to try to netinstall debian again from this flash drive, hopefully that will be a quick fix
20:43<psycho_oreos>Exodus, I personally have my doubts but you're welcome to give that a go. I was also thinking about downloading those huge DVD sized debian packages
20:46<Exodus>@psycho_oreos Netinstall has wireless capabilities
20:47<psycho_oreos>Exodus, well yeah that is true
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20:52<Exodus>arg, any other suggestions -_-
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20:53<ratnick>argh
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20:54<garn32>Exodus, you can run 'apt-get -qq --print-uris install <package name> | awk '{print "wget -O " $2 " " $1}' >> wget.apt.sh ' to get a list of all of the dependencies for the wireless drivers on the squeeze machine
20:54<Exodus>@garn32 for some reason I can't even access my flash drive
20:55<garn32>does 'dmesg' show that you plugged it in?
20:55<ratnick>permission conflict
20:57<Exodus>@garn32 Well a huge amount of lines scrolled down when I typed that
20:57<garn32>sorry it should be 'dmesg | tail'
20:59<Exodus>@garn32 yes it detects the flash drive
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21:00<garn32>what sort of file system is on the flash drive?
21:00<garn32>FAT, NTFS, ect?
21:00<Exodus>@garn32 FAT32
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21:01<garn32>Exodus, do you know what device is is showing up as in /dev? something like /dev/sdb?
21:02<Exodus>@garn32 I'll check with mc now
21:02<garn32>Exodus are you doing this command line?
21:02<Exodus>@garn32 yes
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21:03<garn32>I must ask why are you using mc?
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21:04<Exodus>@garn32 just an easy file explorer for me
21:04<garn32>oh, ok
21:04<Exodus>@garn32 Also, is sdb a folder or file? If folder, no appearance
21:05<Exodus>@garn32 And when I mean command line I have no xorg installed at all
21:05<Exodus>@garn32 because I do see a +sdb
21:05<garn32>Exodus, try unplugging the usb drive, look in /dev take note of the sd* devices there and the plug in the flash drive and see which ones show up, let me know what device shows up
21:06<Exodus>@garn32 ok
21:06<garn32>if you don't know what to look for pastebin the before and after and I can take a look
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21:07<Exodus>@garn32 sdb and sdb1 appear after it's plugged in
21:07<garn32>Exodus, ok do you know how to manually mount drive in linux?
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21:07<Exodus>@garn32 no
21:08<garn32>ok go to your home directory and create a new directory with 'mkdir usb'
21:09<garn32>do you know how to get to your home directory on command line?
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21:09<Exodus>@garn32 Ok it's made. Also sorry, the machine is on the otherside of the room
21:09<Exodus>@garn32 and yes, cd /home --->>> mkdir usb
21:09<garn32>ok, to mount the flash drive use 'sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /home/<user>/usb'
21:10<Exodus>@garn32 lol oh boy, gotta remember that lol, and ok
21:10<acx0>been trying to get X forwarding through ssh working for about an hour now. used to work on my server but doesn't work with any client that I try with now. any ideas?
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21:12<Exodus>@garn32 well it worked
21:13<garn32>Exodus, that previous one liner that I gave you will generate a file listing out all of the dependencies that you'll need for a package
21:13<Exodus>@garn32 but I have a dependencies issue as expected
21:13<garn32>you know the name of the package that you're looking for correct?
21:13<acx0>it appears that connecting from within my network works (ssh -X user@192.168.1.xxx), but when I try 'ssh -X user@example.dyndns.org', it doesn't
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21:17<Exodus> @garn32 libiw30 is what is needed
21:18<Exodus>@garn there was a shorter command - apt-get -f install [package name]
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21:19<garn32>Exodus, ... feeling a little foolish
21:19<garn32>Exodus, oh well are you able to get the package that you needed?
21:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 467] by debhelper
21:20<Exodus>@garn32 huh :D?
21:20<Exodus>@garn32 I downloaded, I'm about to transfer, so hold on
21:21<Exodus>@garn32 inb4libiw30 needs packages
21:22<garn32>Exodus, it should only be libc6
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21:27<Exodus>@garn32 ok they're installed I do believe
21:28<Exodus>@garn32 i did commands like "lspci | grep -i wlan" and nothing shows
21:29<garn32>Exodus, can you find your wireless card just by looking at 'lspci -vv'?
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21:39<Exodus>@garn32 nope
21:39<garn32>can you pastebin the output so I can take a look?
21:40<Exodus>@garn32 how can I output the line to a file?
21:40<Exodus>@garn32 I believe you gave me the command to do that
21:40<garn32>Exodus, what 'lspci -vv >> <file_name>'
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21:42<Exodus>@garn32 well I copied the file /home to /home/usb
21:42<Exodus>@garn32 transferred the drive there was no file :/
21:43<garn32>Exodus remount the flash drive and run 'mount' and make sure that the flash drive is mounted
21:45<Exodus>@garn32 I saved it as a .txt and when I opened it on windows nothing appeared
21:45<Exodus>@garn32 and the size it 0
21:45<garn32>Exodus did you run that as two v's as in v v or as a single w?
21:46<Exodus>@garn32 "lspci -vv >> results.txt"
21:47<garn32>Exodus, if you run 'lspic -vv' by itself do you get output?
21:47<Exodus>@garn32 yes
21:48<garn32>if you run 'less results.txt' on the do you see anything in the file?
21:48<Exodus>@garn32 I'll find out
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21:51<Exodus>@garn32 btw, | less doesn't work, but | more does
21:51<Exodus>@garn32 weird, it outputs a filesize in mc, but in windows it's blank
21:51<garn32>Exodus, from the need from wireless I'm assuming that this is a laptop correct?
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21:52<garn32>Exodus, have you tried opening the file with wordpad?
21:52<Exodus>@garn32 notepad
21:52<Exodus>@garn32 it reads on the pc, but its blank on the flash drive
21:52<garn32>no, wordpad, notepad won't recognize unix line ending
21:52<garn32>did you just pull the flash drive out?
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21:53<Exodus>@garn32 yah, and I remount it everytime I plug it back in
21:53<garn32>Exodus, lit me reword that some, after you manually mounted the flash drive did you unmount the flash drive first?
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21:53<Exodus>@garn32 no :D
21:54<Exodus>@garn32 is it
21:54<Exodus>@garn32 unmount /dev/sdb1
21:54<garn32>Exodus, 'umount /home/<user/usb>'
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21:55<Exodus>@garn32 Alright brb
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21:57<Exodus>@garn32 there we go!
21:58<garn32>Exodus, is the file showing up now?
21:58<Exodus>@garn32 yes, and any paticular syntax to format it as in pastebin?
21:59<garn32>Exodus, just put the contents of the file there for me
22:00<Exodus>@garn32 http://pastebin.com/MS4ytenu
22:00<Exodus>@garn32 brb, I'm getting some food
22:02<Exodus>@garn32 I'm back for a few momentas
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22:05<sharpK>how can I make "card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]" the default sound device for the whole syste,?
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22:07<luchino>sharpK: alsaconf or gnome sound preferences (or my favourite: unplug/unsolder other soundcards)
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22:08<sharpK>luchino, I'm not rugged enough to solder, I guess. Once, I soldered my stratocaster's output cable and felt so accomplished when sound came out, then I literally grabbed the solder iron itself with four of my fingers and hear the sizzle...
22:09<sharpK>needless to say, there wasn't much guitar playing for a few weeks after that...
22:09<Exodus>@sharpK lol :3
22:09<garn32>Exodus, I should ask this what do you need to do with your wireless?
22:09<luchino>sharpK: then you may want to look after the other two options, the relevant ones :)
22:10<Exodus>@garn32 just get it connected to the internet
22:10<unixa_>+x
22:10<garn32>Exodus, if you run 'ifconfig -a' do you see the wireless interface?
22:10<sharpK>luchino: will do, is alsaconf a file?
22:11<luchino>sharpK: no, a it's a console tool
22:11<Exodus>@garn32 nah, just ethernet and local
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22:11<Exodus>@garn32 I'm also using the netgear wna1100
22:11<garn32>Exodus, do you have drivers for the wireless card yet?
22:12<Exodus>@garn32 no, but I thought debian would have a default driver for them
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22:12<sharpK>luchino: is that just the sound preferences then?
22:12<luchino>sharpK: sorry, forget the word alsaconf, I meant and you do need alsactl
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22:12<garn32>Exodus, it should, let me get my lap top out quick
22:12<luchino>sharpK: man alsactl
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22:13<Exodus>@garn32 ok
22:13<simonlnu>the @ stuff doesn't work in irc
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22:13<Exodus>@garn32 my reasoning behind that is Tails and Ubuntu had drivers for the wireless card
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22:14<scientes>what do i need to set LD_LIBRARY_PRELOAD to get this to work ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mobile/releases/latest/linux/en-US/fennec-10.0.2.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2
22:14<scientes>multiarch breaks it?
22:14<gsimmons>Exodus: The driver supporting your wireless LAN device (ath9k_htc) was introduced in Linux 2.6.35. For obvious reasons, this USB device is not shown in your lspci output.
22:15<Exodus>@gsimmons how do I display my linux kernal version again?
22:15<garn32>uname -r
22:15<Exodus>2.6.32-5-amd64
22:16<Exodus>looks like im a little behind :D
22:16<garn32>Exodus, that is pretty typical
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22:16<Exodus>@garn32 and I really can't update it as I have not internet connection
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22:17<garn32>Exodus, so ealier you mentioned that you tired to use ICS on windows, what was the issue you had with that?
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22:17<Exodus>@garn32 I really didn't want to dig into that if I didn't have to :/
22:17<Exodus>@garn32 I'd have to have a start from the top tutorial via Windows 7 64bit
22:18<garn32>Exodus, very understandable!
22:18<garn32>Exodus, so this other system why can't you simple plug into a wired connection and circumvent the whole wireless issue?
22:19<Exodus>@garn32 well I do have 100 ft or 100 yd long ethernet cable
22:19<Exodus>@garn32 issue is the owner of the house doesn't want the cable going from the router to my desktop
22:19<Exodus>@garn32 I live with my friends currently as I just got a job far from home
22:20<Exodus>@garn32 brb again
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22:24<Exodus>@garn32 and I'm back
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22:28<garn32>Exodus, get the 'firmware-atheros' package
22:29<Exodus>@garn32 does it have any pre-reqs?
22:29<garn32>Exodus, just some suggested ones
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22:30<garn32>Exodus, initramfs-tools and linux-image
22:31<gsimmons>garn32: Exodus needs more than that. A backported kernel image (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) would be required to provide the ath9k_htc driver.
22:32<garn32>gsimmons, please help then, I'm a little bit out of it here I usually stay away from wireless
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22:33<Exodus>@garn32 I installed it I believe and unplugged the adapter and plugged it back in and no wlan0 or anything of the sort
22:34<gsimmons>Exodus: You can drop the @ prefix when directing comments, this isn't a web forum or twitter feed.
22:36<Exodus>gsimmons: I learned that in #python as it was required
22:36<Exodus>became a habit
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22:37<gsimmons>Exodus: Provided a temporary wired connection can be made available, a backported linux-image-* package from squeeze-backports can be installed to your system, to provide it with a later Linux kernel version; this would supply the ath9k_htc driver for use of your wireless device. Ask dpkg for more information (e.g. /msg dpkg bdo, /msg dpkg bdo kernel). You would also need to install the firmware-atheros package from squeeze-backports.
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22:38<Exodus>gsimmons: I can't :/
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22:41<gsimmons>Exodus: Then your only other option is fix whatever connecting sharing ability is provided from your Windows system. Try asking in ##windows on irc.freenode.net for assistance.
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22:43<sney>for packages like those with small/no dependencies, you can easily put them on a usb stick and sneakernet them as well
22:45<Exodus>Alright, thank you guys for the help
22:45<scientes>I WANT FENNEC
22:45<Exodus>i'll probably be back :D
22:45<scientes>in debian
22:45<garn32>good luck!
22:46<scientes>bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=641443
22:49<Exodus>seems dead in #Windows
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22:54<mlaks>hi how to get laptop-mode tools to trigger pm-suspend on lack of keyboard input for n minutes after blanking the screen?
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23:06<Exodus>heck yah, got ics to work T_T I have internet on my debian machine
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23:08<Rwm>hello
23:08<Rwm>nobody here?
23:08<ZtuX>Hi there!!
23:08<garn32>yes there are, what do you need help with?
23:09<Rwm>It's possible make a .iso image from a cd or DVD ?
23:09<garn32>Exodus, take a look at gsimmons previous posts, they have the instructions you'll need
23:10<Exodus>garn32: yah looking now
23:11<Rwm>because I have some problems with the reader cd - dvd of my notebook
23:11<Rwm>so the bootable dvd don't go
23:12<Rwm>Must I re-download the image DVD ?
23:13<Exodus>gsimmons: you there?
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23:22<Exodus>for sources.list.d, what I is the file extension suppose to be for the files within that directory
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23:23<garn32>Exodus, you don't really need file extensions in linux
23:23<Exodus>garn32: it said the file was ignored because of "...invalid filename extension"
23:23<garn32>Exodus, what is the
23:24<garn32>'it' in the previous statement?
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23:24<Exodus>garn32: after I had typed apt-get update
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23:25<garn32>Exodus, looks like they should be *.list
23:27<garn32>Exodus, did you look at 'http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/'
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23:32<Exodus>garn32: yah, brb thank you
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23:36<Exodus>garn32: Well my question now, is how do I install the kernal from that?
23:36<Exodus>garn32: the repo is there now
23:36<garn32>Exodus, have you updated since you added the repo?
23:36<Exodus>garn32: you mean, apt-get update?
23:37<garn32>Exodus, yes
23:37<Exodus>garn32: yes everything worked fine, it added it
23:37<garn32>Exodus, that link that I gave has the instructions on how to install from the other repos as well in it
23:38<Exodus>garn32: 'apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package"' issue is, I don't know which package to install
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23:39<garn32>Exodus, look for something along the lines of linux-image-2.6.35-amd64
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23:48<Exodus>theres no 2.6.35
23:48<Exodus>should I get 3.2.0
23:49<garn32>Exodus, I think that it should have what you need in it as well but I don't know for a fact
23:50<Exodus>garn32: well I'm downloading now
23:50<Exodus>garn32: any command to restart my kernal or just reboot?
23:51<garn32>Exodus, it would be easier to just reboot
23:51<Exodus>kk
23:52<ChrisKnadle>Exodus: 2.6.35 exists at least in linux-stable
23:56<Exodus>ok kernal 3.2 isntalled, but no drivers
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23:56<Exodus>I did ifconfig -a and lsci and no evidence of the adapter
23:56<Exodus>lspci*
23:59<ChrisKnadle>What kind of adapter? [if it's a USB adaptor, you need to run lsusb rather than lspci]
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