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00:43<scientes>how does dpkg handle two packages that have the same file?
00:46<retrospectacus>complains and dies
00:46<scientes>so that would make overlayfs safe
00:46<scientes>to upgrade the underlying filesystem
00:46<scientes>right?
00:47<scientes>or is that a massive leap of faith
00:47<retrospectacus>???
00:47<scientes>well liveCDs, they ship with a ro-filesystem
00:48<scientes>but with some magic its actually usable rw
00:48<scientes>this is also used by openwrt IIRC
00:48<scientes>now, what happens if you upgrade the files on the underlying filesystem
00:48<scientes>while not changing the overlay filesystem
00:49<scientes>seems stupid to me, but would be cool if you could make it work
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00:50<scientes>retrospectacus, fallowing me?
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00:51<retrospectacus>nope, never used overlays
00:51<scientes>i mean, most of the use the underlying filesystem is suppose to be ro
00:52<scientes>like squashfs xz compressed for maximum compression
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00:52<scientes>cause ro filesystems can be compressed a little better
00:52<scientes>but what would it take to make upgrades of the underlying fs clean
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01:02<wigs>scientes: dpkg does not care about over/underlay
01:03<wigs>if you are on the underlay only, and using dpkg then it doesnt know about the overlay
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01:03<wigs>depending on what the overlay changes it may or may not cause breakage
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01:28<wigs>scientes: you have installed packages on your overlay, and you want to update the underlay?
01:30<scientes>wigs, well i havn't done it, but i was thinking about it
01:30<scientes>precisely that
01:31<scientes>specifically hot-ish swapping the underlay with a newer version (no access to the overlay)
01:32<wigs>not a good idea
01:32<scientes>basically: what is the best way to ship a product with a modifies OS
01:32<wigs>if the overlay only modifies /home, you are probably ok
01:32<scientes>and still allow the end-user to install new applications and such
01:33<wigs>hmm
01:33<wigs>the overlay could be set to install applications somewhere other than /usr
01:33<wigs>but thats a whole kettle of fish
01:34<scientes>wigs, that actually doesn't seem to matter, cause dpkg wont override a file
01:34<scientes>that is owned by another package
01:34<scientes>right???
01:35<scientes>we are expecting only additions, not subtractions
01:35<scientes>(and also upgrades)
01:35<scientes>anyways, how is this to be done
01:36<wigs>well if you are talking about the user upgrading a package on the overlay, dpkg will do that
01:37<wigs>it treats the combined fs as a single unit and doesn't know any beter
01:37<scientes>well of course
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01:37<wigs>however, if you then go to upgrade the same package on the underlay... big trouble
01:37<scientes>ahh yes
01:37<scientes>hmm, then how is this to be done?
01:38<scientes>shipping something that has to have custom software, custom configs
01:38<scientes>and the like
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01:38<scientes>system scripts to tie stuff together
01:38<wigs>push the updates to the overlay
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01:38<scientes>so attention to defaults
01:38<scientes>well, how do you do easy recovery/reset
01:39<scientes>and also support upgrade
01:39<scientes>for non-technies that need to be able to work in an off-line environment without access to the internet
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01:40<wigs>recover should restore original underlay, discard overlay, then issue system updates to the overlay?
01:40<scientes>seems like the only way to do it is to package scripts to do changes
01:40<scientes>and never really change the underlay
01:40<wigs>scientes: yes :-)
01:40<scientes>so once you've shipped, your kinda in it for the long haul
01:41<scientes>as changing the underlay would mean having to test for one more permutation
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01:41<scientes>well you could have your scripts on the underlay, just not run yet
01:41<scientes>that are released post-v1
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01:42<scientes>now, should i use a rw fs for the whole thing, and have the restore like a sd/usb flash drive
01:42<scientes>or just have the restore starting from the point of the underlay again
01:43<scientes>and do you try to do a tree, and let them test the underlay without fscking their personalized overlay
01:43<wigs>underlay must be ro, so you can just restore=discard overlay
01:43<scientes>but i think people you get confused by that
01:43<scientes>wigs, no, you can also create another branch starting from the same point
01:43<scientes>but alot of people wouldn't understand that
01:44<scientes>like with LVM for example
01:44<wigs>so have switchable overlay? 
01:44<scientes>yeah
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01:44<wigs>oh dear
01:44<wigs>too hard for me :-)
01:45<scientes>exactly
01:45<scientes>users would think the same
01:45<scientes>but as a nerd i would want it :PPP
01:45<scientes>like lets say its the only computer
01:45<scientes>and it all goes to shit
01:45<scientes>if the boot off the underlay and restore they have lost everything
01:45<scientes>i guess we can just say fuck-it to that case
01:46<wigs>what about separate overlay for / and /home ?
01:46<scientes>ahhh, i've got a compramise---
01:46<wigs>(is that even possible?)
01:46<scientes>you offer a overlay==tmpfs
01:46<scientes>basically recovery mode
01:47<scientes>so that they can copy their stuff to a usb drive before doing a factory restore
01:47<scientes>there, that sounds about right
01:47<wigs>yeah, that would work
01:48<scientes>now, how do you deal with users that want to upgrade to the newer version of the OS you are using?
01:49<scientes>or do laypeople not really even understand that type of thing
01:49<wigs>baisc way is upgrades go to overlay
01:49<scientes>so you can just stick to a single version
01:49<scientes>(with automatic security upgrades in the backgroud
01:49<scientes>--yes, do them totally automatically
01:50<scientes>wigs, if they did a dist-upgrade, then it would baloon the size
01:50<scientes>cause you wouldn't really be using any of the underlay
01:51<scientes>yeah, thats probably the way to do this
01:51<scientes>so i just do mksquashfs with xz and ship
01:51<scientes>or something like that
01:54<wigs>extra disk usage is unfortunate, but otherwise you have to discard the overlay *or* prevent the user from installing packages
01:54<scientes>so, installing basic upgrades is ok
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01:54<scientes>at least i think it would be
01:55<scientes>i wonder if anybody has studied it
01:55<scientes>or if you could write a script
01:55<scientes>lets say 5.0.0 vs 5.0.latest for desktop-environment tasksel
01:55<scientes>or same for ubuntu 10.04
01:56<scientes>I could i could do a simple test just by downloading the origininal 10.04 live cd and booting it and installing all the updates
01:56<scientes>wait
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02:33<TheLaughingMan>Is anyone here rather good with permissions and acl
02:36<ayaka>6 Corrected bytes, 1273 unrecoverable blocks
02:36<ayaka>I got something in /proc/last_kmsg what is it
02:36<TheLaughingMan>>.>
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02:47<TheLaughingMan>No one is here :(
02:49<TheLaughingMan>I need help with setting up ACLs, everytime I try to set it up it doesn't want to work properly. I want directories to be rwx and to default as such if there created, and and I want files to be rw and default as such. However whenever I try to do it it always set it up to all of it being rwx
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02:57<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: acl is something else, youre only talking about standard permissions
02:58<valdyn>!permissions
02:58<dpkg>For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
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02:58<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, what you want can be done with create mask option. (hint)
03:00<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/AccessControls.html#id2614099
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03:01<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, oops, i misread forget what i said, i tought you where asking about samba share permissions
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03:02<TheLaughingMan>Nope, acl
03:02<TheLaughingMan>ACL does set permissions
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03:09<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, anyway using umask can, like umask 077 makes dirs rwx and new file rw
03:12<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, the default umask can be changed in the users .bashrc
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03:14<TheLaughingMan>Well the issue is that I am dealing with 50 users with there own folders and I need it setup so 1 user can rw it all
03:14<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, and the other 49 can only read?
03:15<TheLaughingMan>Each user has there own folder they can rw there own folder
03:16<dutchfish>Ok, then make each the owner of its own dir and use umask 022
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03:16<dutchfish>Like it is done in the home dir by default
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03:17<dutchfish>except for the read access
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03:17<anonymous>helloooooooooooo
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03:21<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, if you want to end up with 750 for files (xecluding read access from others) the umask 027
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03:23<valdyn>!acl
03:23<dpkg>well, acl is Access Control List. http://acl.bestbits.at/ http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/
03:23<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: acl is this ^^, not what youre currently messing with
03:25<dutchfish>i hope i am not wrong but i like to think of ACL's as extended atributes unlike access rights, but, valdyn you may correct me if i am wrong.
03:26<dutchfish>actually it is called unix/linux permissions
03:28<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: giving one user to read all files of all the other users cant work with the standard permission system, when users can run chmod
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03:29<valdyn>hmm, i may be wrong, maybe this is done with the g+S
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03:30<dutchfish>valdyn, what can be done is something simular to what is done with the home dir, ie 020, that way the 'other' don't own the files and so only root can change ownership
03:30<dutchfish>or 022
03:31<valdyn>dutchfish: ah, neat
03:31<valdyn>dutchfish: but then only root can be the read-all user?
03:31<dutchfish>022 mask gives read accesss to the 'others' and 020 does not
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03:32<scientes>does ekiga have end-2-end encryption?
03:33<dutchfish>valdyn, on 020 only root can read (and more), yes
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03:33<valdyn>scientes: it can run with or without that
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03:34<EmleyMoor>Are there any good tools to determine what I have installed that is redundant?
03:34<valdyn>scientes: depends on the peer/server
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03:34<scientes>valdyn, and does it support ZRPT?
03:34<valdyn>scientes: i dont know what that is
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03:36<dutchfish>oops, i might another mistake, 020 should read 027
03:36<scientes>valdyn, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRTP
03:36<scientes>valdyn, same guy that made PGP
03:36<scientes>mr zimmerman
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03:37<valdyn>scientes: so.. ekiga is not listed
03:37<zero_>hello
03:37<scientes>ahh, i see
03:37<zero_>i find the anonymous
03:37<zero_>..........
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03:38<valdyn>scientes: doesnt mean that that is not supported though
03:38<zero_>............
03:39<valdyn>scientes: looks like ekiga should have it
03:39<zero_>HELLO
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03:39<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, calculating the mask is simple, just 777 - mask = final permission after create, example 777 - 022 = 755
03:39<zero_>STUPID WOMAN
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03:42<zero_>hola
03:42<zero_>........
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03:48<dutchfish>i have q of myself, how can i ran a java application as a user like java -jar some.jar and have it access to /dev/ttyUSB0 without giving it root permissions? (openjdk)
03:51<wigs>dutchfish: what does 'ls -l /dev/ttyUSB0' say?
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03:51<zero_>Scuthium
03:52<zero_>scythium
03:52<zero_>idiot
03:52<zero_>....
03:52<zero_>help me
03:52<zero_>.........
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03:52<dutchfish>wigs, crw------- 1 root root 4, 0 Mar 16 23:42
03:52<Scythium>rsrsrs
03:53<dutchfish>wigs, dmesg nicely shows proper insert
03:53<dutchfish>wigs, and udev has no errors either
03:54<wigs>dutchfish: change permissions to give it group access, 
03:54<wigs>.. to a group the user is in
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03:54<dutchfish>wigs, ok, and if i understand it correctly that wont sustain over a reboot, right?
03:54<wigs>I think you can do this with udev settings
03:54<wigs>but I am no expert in that regard
03:55<wigs>udev settings will persist across reboot
03:55<wigs>s/will/should/
03:55<dutchfish>wigs, actually i don't want that so that non root/sudo users can't use it, if it does not sustain i am happy
03:56<Scythium>I would like to know, if you know a Channel with someone that likes mathematics.
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03:57<dutchfish>wigs, thanks
03:58<dutchfish>wigs, it worked and does not sustain over a reboot
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04:02<dutchfish>wigs, i will delve into udev later, thanks again
04:02<Scythium>What's up michael!
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04:02<Scythium>What's up michael!
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04:04<amando>any body with in-depth knowledge about how to implement VoD over IMS platfom using Ubuntu server 11.10
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04:05<amando>scythium, filling great & U
04:05<EmleyMoor>amando: A Ubuntu channel perhaps?
04:06<amando>EmleyMoor : i tried but had no response
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04:09<TheLaughingMan>I am confused
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04:10<TheLaughingMan>Why am I being told that I am not using acls
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04:10<EmleyMoor>What is telling you that?
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04:11<meglaw>still no upvotes for me. :(
04:11<meglaw>wrong chan
04:11<meglaw>,)
04:11<TheLaughingMan>I am just having issues getting acl setup where I want files to default to rw and directories to default to rwx, and people are telling me I am not messing with acls and to mess with the umask
04:14<TheLaughingMan>And that having one user have rw access to 50 folders owned by other users that can only access there own folders is impossible with normal unix permissions which is why I am using acl
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04:30<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: maybe thats because your descriptions have been lacking so far
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04:52<meglaw>my printer wont show up in the smbshares, the drives do but not the printer. :(
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04:53<streuner_>!samba
04:53<dpkg>Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ , http://wiki.samba.org/ . Backported packages are available, ask me about <bdo>. http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/ http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ http://samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>.
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04:55<TheLaughingMan>valdyn, how are they lacking? I said I needed help setting up an acl that defaults rw for files and rwx for directories, and that every time I mess with it and defaults everything to rwx
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04:59<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: an acl entry is not completely described with "rw", it needs to refer to some entity like a user or a group for instance
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04:59<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: also show us what you did and how it failed
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05:01<TheLaughingMan>setfacl -d -m u:user:rw /some/folder; everything is rw and I can't go into folders
05:02<TheLaughingMan>setfacl -d -m u:user:rwx /some/folder; everything is rwx even files
05:05<TheLaughingMan>valdyn, but either way an acl can refer to either a user or a group in any case just changing the command to make it match what you need. But when I am already describing that I need a user to rw all these files how does that not explain that I need the entity to be a user
05:06<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: those 2 lines above made your problem very clear
05:06<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: the whole other stuff made it ambigious at best
05:07<TheLaughingMan>valdyn, but when your telling me I am not messing with acls actually your making it more confusing
05:07<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, why not make one user that is memmber of a separate group (the user that needs rw) and rely on 'other' for r access?
05:09<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, that way you can add users to that special gorup later on when there is a need too
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05:09<dutchfish>s/gorup/group
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05:10<TheLaughingMan>dutchfish, because I have users being created and deleted at a whims notice automatically
05:10<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, that would work too
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05:11<panx>witam
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05:11<TheLaughingMan>I would have to create a cron job to try and mess with changing permissions and chmoding things, and I would have to do it to frequently
05:11<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, something like ownership user,admingroup and 775 for the files
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05:12<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, that way only admingroup and the owner can have rwx|rw and other have r
05:13<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, chaning admins is as simple as adding or removing users from the admingroup
05:13<TheLaughingMan>dutchfish, so what is wrong with me wanting to use acls that will take effect on the spot. And I don't even want other to have r
05:14<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, nothing, sorry, i only wanted to safe you for ACL's in case there is no need too
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05:14<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, then use 770 as explained by creating a mask
05:15<TheLaughingMan>dutchfish, I was explained to edit umask
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05:15<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, ok
05:15<dutchfish>or 750 whatever you need
05:16<TheLaughingMan>But that would still involve having to setup a cron job to run to frequently
05:16<dutchfish>why?
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05:16<TheLaughingMan>Users are generated to quickly sometimes and we needs access on the spot most of the time
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05:17<dutchfish>if you use a clever mask inside each users .bashrc (editing the default templates for usercreation) and have the right admingroup and th euser in it with admin rights, there is no need for a cronjob as i see it.
05:17<TheLaughingMan>These users don't even have shell access
05:18<dutchfish>ah ic
05:18<TheLaughingMan>There used to run programs in seperate users since they can potentially run malicious coding
05:19<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, better explain me the envirenment and what you want to do; is this some sort of LAMP setup?
05:19<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, or is php involved?
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05:21<TheLaughingMan>It's a debian setup that runs a program as root, this program creates users and folders when customers create an account to host a multiplayer server. Each user account has there own folder that contains all there files, this program also provides FTP access to the customer to allow them to upload there own files and make changes. So each user account can only access there own folders, but we
05:21<TheLaughingMan>need out admin accounts to have access as well to help setup, since most of the time each customer needs help the second the sign up to setup the stuff
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05:23<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: back to your problem...
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05:23<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: created files inherit the directory permissions
05:23<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, what i did was *not* creating unix users for this, instead relying on ftp on a mysql backend, the admin user was just a sudoer with ssh access, root access has be blocked to the shell for him too.
05:24<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, the ftp service runes in a jail
05:24<dutchfish>runs*
05:24<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, the file have owner unknown
05:24<dutchfish>done
05:25<TheLaughingMan>Well i need individual users or customers will be able to upload there own coding that can have access to other customers and delete other things
05:25<dutchfish>yep, it does that way
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05:25<TheLaughingMan>The program we are using is licensed so we can't freely change how it works
05:25<dutchfish>and no way normal users can login into the shell or have any permissions
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05:26<TheLaughingMan>So that either leaves me with running a cron job to frequently or not frequently enough, or using acls to give me access on the spot when things are created
05:26<dutchfish>well, as long as you rem, that giving ftp or shell inherently lowers safety dramatically
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05:27<dutchfish>no mather how tight your permissions policy is
05:27<dutchfish>unless you jail your ftp server as i explained
05:28<TheLaughingMan>Well the program has it's own ftp server that is jailed to begin with, it won't let you edit anything other than your stuff
05:28<dutchfish>ok, good
05:28<dutchfish>leaves us to tighten up file access by some form
05:30<dutchfish>i would advise to give the ftp server a db backend to handle permissions on a fine grained basis and no creation of linux users
05:30<dutchfish>keep it simple
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05:31<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: how are you testing your strange default acl inheritance? I cannot reproduce that..
05:31<TheLaughingMan>It already has a db backend, the users accounts you log into it with aren't even the same as the linux users and it's set to what they want it
05:31<dutchfish>ok
05:32<TheLaughingMan>And I need individual users or the programs are going to be run as the same user
05:33<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, you let them execute the files they upload?
05:33<TheLaughingMan>Yes, if we didn't we wouldn't have a business
05:34<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: on my system the x is automatically masked out
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05:36<TheLaughingMan>valdyn, well for some reason on mine it isn't
05:36<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: obviously
05:37<TheLaughingMan>It doesn't make sense
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05:39<dutchfish>TheLaughingMan, can you give us a pastebin of getfacl yourfile?
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05:39<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: ill paste my test
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05:39<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: http://paste.debian.net/160086/
05:40<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: let us know if your system *really* behaves differently...
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05:41<valdyn>TheLaughingMan: according to what i can find, the masking is done by the kernel btw
05:41<dutchfish>valdyn, true
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05:47<dutchfish>valdyn, google came up with a simular case btw http://serverfault.com/questions/224192/setting-default-file-permissions-in-shared-directory-using-acl-and-umask
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05:48<dutchfish>(not tested it yet)
05:48<valdyn>dutchfish: he wants a default +x
05:48<dutchfish>mm... yes
05:48<valdyn>dutchfish: on the serverfault page..
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05:49<valdyn>dutchfish: but the system call defaults to the -x and the masking behaviour
05:49<dutchfish>right
05:49<valdyn>dutchfish: its not fixable
05:49<valdyn>dutchfish: only can be worked around
05:49<dutchfish>ic
05:49<valdyn>dutchfish: but TheLaughingMan behaviour i cannot reproduce
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05:49<dutchfish>and it would not be wise either
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05:50<dutchfish>valdyn, i have tested you pastebin, and i have simular results on my box
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05:50<dutchfish>strange
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05:58<dutchfish>i have to run soon, but i want to make one remark about the goal TheLaughingMan explained: Running separate instances for executable code under the given user might turn out to be so performance demanding that in the end virtualizing the lamp envirenment would be much better; not even considering the security contrains wich come with his approach.
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06:28<kambo>hello
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06:33*kambo hello everyone
06:33<kambo>;d
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06:48<meglaw>w t * iseweesle just fucked up, when i click the "print" that sends me to another page for print version it does notload anything
06:49<meglaw>opens a new window, thats blank
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07:32<flexy>When I reboot (sid, xfce4) from the panel logout button and login again... iceweasel is not restarted automatically. Other programs are. And iceweasel does not load the old tabs, it says the "embarrassing, having trouble loading..." message. Clicking the restore session button loads all the tabs OK.
07:33<flexy>If I quit Iceweasel by my self before rebooting and start it by myself after boot, then it loads the tabs OK
07:34<flexy>I have to quit iceweasel before shutting down. Otherwise its "embarrassing"...
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07:35<flexy>What's wrong, how to fix this?
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07:42<ayaka>sd_blk_issue_rq: ---(sd-qd) start sector=20138079, size 8, total time=821044 microseconds , what is it means
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07:52<maxou56800>Hello! :)
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08:09<bre>hola
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08:10<bre>hola
08:10<bre>holaaaaa¡¡¡
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08:16<leoarg85>Hi
08:17<leoarg85>I have a problem
08:17<leoarg85>can you help me?
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08:22<wigs>!ask
08:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:29<leoarg85>hola
08:30<wigs>hallo
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08:33<wigs>!ask
08:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:03<ratnick>Memory paging admin info: http://wiki.debian.org/Hugepages?highlight=%28memory%29|%28cache%29
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09:06<ratnick>and... http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/memcached
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09:07<abrotman>and what?
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09:12<jeferson>no
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09:39<ayaka>sd_blk_issue_rq: ---(sd-qd) start sector=20138079, size 8, total time=821044 microseconds , what is it means
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09:47<mivulf1>if all hdd on debian, can i later painlessly nibble part for win?
09:49<wigs>mivulf1: yes, if you read the manual carefully
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09:50<n00ne>why my /var/log/boot dont work? i have "(Nothing has been logged yet.)" and in /etc/default/bootlogd i have "BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes", my distro is debian/wheezy
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09:50<ayaka>!tell m00ne about next
09:51<ayaka>sorry
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09:51<ayaka>!tell m00ne about debian-next
09:51<mivulf1>wigs: sorry for my bad english =) i hope i ask right
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09:51<ayaka>!tell m00ne about wheezy
09:52<ayaka>this time must be correct
09:52<eightyeight>ayaka: why don't you just tell n00ne about wheezy? that's 3 lines of bot noise, when you could have condensed it to one
09:52<rnowak>and not to mention, there is no m00ne in here
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09:52<wigs>mivulf1: it is easier if you leave some space for windows, but it can be done either way
09:53<ayaka>eightyeight because i saw others do that
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09:53<wigs>mivulf1: also, install windows first is easier still
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09:53<ayaka>rnowak after you said that, I notice
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09:53<ayaka>!tell n00ne about wheezy
09:54<eightyeight>ayaka: enough. first, he left. second, you're spamming the channel.
09:54<ayaka>eightyeight sorry, is it a kind of spam
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10:53<itbox>I have a problem with Wine on my Debian Squeeze. It is installed, but when i try to start a Windows program, nothing happens.
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10:54<wigs>itbox1: try starting it from a terminal
10:54<wigs>get useful errors that way
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10:55<itbox1>so i just type "wine (path to the program)"
10:55*wigs nods.
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11:00<itbox>how can I enter that Wine virtual C: drive?
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11:03<Zaba>itbox, it's in ~/.wine/drive_c by default
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11:08<itbox>it works now, tnx!
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11:18<pepe>ola
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12:20<juhaj>Now that opensync has been removed from unstable, is there anything with similar functionality in Debian?
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12:30<medmax73>list
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14:20<anonymous>Hello
14:20<anonymous>Hackers
14:20<anonymous>Hahaha
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14:54<bb>slt à ts
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15:17<salamander>Hello, Im using squeeze with xfce. When I select a group of folders and files and right click on them there is no properties or size option. What can I do? I know how to (du -sh in command line) but I share this pc with my girlfriend and she is not used to command line
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15:25<salamander>bittorrent, azureus or transmission
15:25<salamander>??
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15:26<Sicelo>salamander: i use transmission. (next time ask a question .. statements are not questions)
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15:27<salamander>Sicelo, thanx, is it the most lightweight of those three?
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15:31<Sicelo>i've never tried the others, so i can't comment
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15:39<gruetzkopf>hm
15:40<gruetzkopf>no wine in squeeze-backports...
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15:49<valdyn>salamander: bittorrent is no longer maintained upstream afaict
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15:51<salamander>valdyn, thanx
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15:52<valdyn>salamander: I think rtorrent is still the most lightweight and scalable
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15:52<valdyn>salamander: azureus is huge, and feature-rich
15:52<valdyn>salamander: transmission has a nice gui and is generally decent
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16:05<salamander>valdyn, thanx again
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16:14<Pheimors>Can someone help me about some configuration stuff on wpa_supplicant ?
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17:13<per>Screen resolution limited to 1024x768 after trying the fglrx-driver (ATI Mobility X700). Used to work up to 1280x960, but doesnot anymore, even after uninstalling fglrx and reinstalling xorg-driver
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17:19<per>Must I reinstall the whole OS (Debian6) or is it possible to fix within xorg? Tried bunch of stuff but xorg has now determined that my graphics card no longer is capable of any resolution higher than 1024x768!
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17:48<valdyn>petemc: get rid of /etc/X11/xorg.conf is that is still there
17:48<valdyn>oops
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18:54<jesi>hola!
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19:15<DragonDon>Greetings all!
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19:18<DragonDon>Got an rsync problem. I started it and then it got interrupted at some point. System locked up, had to reboot. This also meant that the exact command I used was no longer in the hsitory of the terminal. I think I got the exact syntax right but now it won't resume. This is what it says: http://pastebin.com/WGSXhDx2 Yes it is only 10% done (13GB out of 131GB!)
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19:18<SinRumbo>hello. i am from argentina. sorry my english..
19:19<SinRumbo>i have a question of vsftp
19:19<amphi>!es
19:19<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
19:19<SinRumbo>i lookfor the folder for anonymus user.. i don't find
19:19<DragonDon>This is the rsync command used http://pastebin.com/8YiEryvQ
19:19<SinRumbo>thank!
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19:30<lafferjm>Hello everyone
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19:30<lafferjm>I just started using debian, with xfce and have a question relating to xfce. Should that be asked here or on an xfce channel?
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20:06<musixuser_jesi>SinRumbo, gracias por la mano, la quedó el cd
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20:28<anonymous>m, .w,a c., c,.
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20:38<DragonDon>if rsync has stopped, with no obvious error messages, is there a way to find out why it stopped only part of the way through it's process?
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20:50<Golfgeo>Hi all
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20:52<Golfgeo>Currently using lilo to boot and when I did a little memtest86+ to stresstest this machine I found one momory error... I know grub2 can use the badram, does the same option apply for lilo?
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20:55<Golfgeo>*memory
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21:00<ChrisKnadle>DragonDon: is there anything in the logs in /var/log about the rsync process?
21:00<ChrisKnadle>DragonDon: that's all I can think of at the moment
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21:19<Guest6633>usb drives seem to no longer mount automaticly or manually. I get the message, media not found but the device shows up. ideas?
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21:33<tehzomb`>hello, how would i tell what packages rely on ia32-libs? I'm getting this error when apt-get installing some python packages: libc6-i386: Breaks: ia32-libs (< 20090804) but 2.7+lenny2 is to be installed
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21:36<blarson>tehzomb`: apt-cache rdepends ia32-libs
21:38<tehzomb`>answered by question - thanks ;)
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22:21<linugux>as
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22:22<linugux>Hola!!!
22:22<linugux>quien esta =?
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22:23<linugux>hola
22:24<lucien_>hola
22:25<linugux>Como estas Licien , soy nuebo !!!
22:25<linugux>nuevo
22:25<lucien_>ja, decime Jési, yo tambien soy nueva del todo, recien instale musix
22:26<linugux>jajaja !!!
22:26<lucien_>osea, más novata imposible jajaja
22:26<dvs>!es
22:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
22:26<linugux>jesi perdon
22:26<linugux>jejeje igual
22:26<linugux>ya no mandaron al de español
22:26<lucien_>aguanta un toque
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22:27<linugux>toque de que ?
22:27<lucien_>ahi te mande para hablar en privado asi no llenamos la sal
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23:12<myanel>hello
23:12<myanel>i have a quest
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23:13<ehack>Hola
23:13<ehack>:DD
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23:16<myanel>how can i install the AR928X Wireless adapter in debian 6.04 kernel linux 2.6.32-5 amd64
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23:18<myanel>hola
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23:18<myanel>hola
23:18<myanel>hola
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23:24<bst>!ar928x
23:24<dpkg>ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver supporting PCI/PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>.
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23:25<bst>ah, he/she left
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23:34<xwl>hi, i find even using gconftool-2 --set to change some settings, it seems gconfd is not taking the changes immediately. although gconftool-2 can display the updated value.
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23:35<xwl>precisely what i'm trying to change is to update the autoconfig-url under /system/proxy
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23:48<thinkerbell>hi
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23:50<thinkerbell>I am having trouble adding a new partition. i have one disk, with a /, swap and /home partition. I have some space at end of disk. I create a partition using cfdisk, and then when i try to format it, mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda7 it says Could not stat /dev/sda3 --- No such file or directory
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23:54<papa_>ny 1 here to help
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