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---Logopened Tue Mar 20 00:00:00 2012
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00:00<dn3s>um.....
00:00-!-lostson [~lostson@cpe-107-10-102-196.new.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
00:00<dn3s>i am extremely embarassed
00:00<dn3s>i have been working over an ssh session,
00:00<dn3s>and somehow quit ssh without noticing. and have been dicking around in my local system, making symlinks to files that obviously won't be there
00:01<dn3s>thank you though for all the help!
00:01<retrospectacus>!pal dn3s
00:01*dpkg points at dn3s and laughs uproariously
00:01<retrospectacus>np :p
00:02<johnv474>No shame in being human :-) Have fun
00:02<heikkila>dn3s, if you use bash you might like the package bash-completion, it will help you see if a folder exists by typing it's first characters and simply hitting the tab key 1-2 times
00:02<dn3s>no problem
00:02<dn3s>it actually came by default. i agree; it's super convenient.
00:03<dn3s>while i'm here, i have a question about permissions. no ssh mess this time i promise
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00:04<heikkila>I'm not sure you have it both on the server and your client, but that would have been a clue :)
00:05<johnv474>go ahead
00:05<heikkila>must be a long question..
00:05<dn3s>oh, i see. my client is actually fedora (gasp) and autocompletion is not as good as on the debian server.
00:05<johnv474>or he doesn't have permission to ask haha
00:05<dn3s>LD
00:05<dn3s>*
00:05<dn3s>:D
00:05<heikkila>:DDD
00:05<dn3s>no i got distracted sorry.
00:07<dn3s>i know you guys aren't transmission devs, but i think this is pretty general. my whole symlink kludge is because when i configure transmission to download files into anywhere in my home directory where i'd like it to go, it gets a bunch of permission errors and fails to download.
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00:08<dn3s>is there a way to set permissions in a single directory in my home folder so that processes running under different users can acces?
00:08<dn3s>the daemon is launched by some init script, so i assume it's running as root. maybe that's incorrect
00:09<johnv474>hmm. do you mean to give permission to, say, a group of people so they can each access that particular download directory
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00:09<dn3s>sure.
00:10<johnv474>do you have access to the directory now?
00:10<dn3s>yes. i need to give the user 'tranmission' read/write access.
00:11<cthuluh>so, something like: mkdir ~/downloads; chmod 2775 ~/downloads; chgrp transmission ~/downloads
00:11<dn3s>will i still have access?
00:11<cthuluh>then you add yourself to the transmission group
00:11<cthuluh>and ensure that transmission-daemon uses an umask like 002
00:12<dn3s>this is all stuff that till a few days ago when i took on this server project i did mostly via GUI so ill try to keep up
00:12<cthuluh>hmmm. if this is on a headless server, you might prefer rtorrent
00:12<dn3s>does it have a web interface?
00:13<cthuluh>but ok, I don't know transmission-daemon well, maybe doesn't it require a gui
00:13<cthuluh>hmm, yes, iirc. rutorrent or something
00:13<heikkila>there are a few web interfaces for rtorrent
00:14<dn3s>i don't particularly like transmission, i just liked the built-in web interface. it is a pain to config though. is rtorrent more modern than transmission?
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00:15<dn3s>ok so back to cthuluh's suggestino of the chmod command, what does the 2775 mean?
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00:16<cthuluh>I thought that the chmod manpage documented it :)
00:16<dn3s>right. sorry
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00:21<johnv474>Actually I am trying to understand the 2 in the chmod 2775 myself. Looking...
00:21<dn3s>oh and the other thing is I seem to have messed up my hostname attempting to change it. now it seems some parts of the system thinks it's newdebian and some think it's something else.
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00:21<anonymous>kkkk
00:21<anonymous>hello
00:22<johnv474>hello anonymous
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00:23<cthuluh>dn3s & johnv474 : actually the manpage probably isn't the best place to find the relevant bits
00:24<cthuluh>2 is setgid, which on directories means "for all the files created in this directory, give them this directory's group ownership"
00:24<johnv474>dn3s, what I remember (which is from William E Shotts' site linuxcommand.org, for learning the command line), is that the permissions can be set using octal numbers, where 7=rwx (read write execute), 6=rw- (read write), 2=-w- (write), 5=r-x (read execute), and there are more
00:25<cthuluh>johnv474: this is true but doesn't apply to the fourth number in "2755"
00:26<dn3s>oh my. wait so i could put 7 or i could put -rwx?
00:26<johnv474>each file/directory has three settings: read, write, execute. when you type 'ls -l' the first part may say rwxrwxr-- or something. the first three letters are permissions for the file's owner, the 2nd three are the permissions for the file's group members, and the third three are for everyone else.
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00:27<johnv474>thank you cthuluh. I would have understood '700', but '2755' has an extra digit for me.
00:28<johnv474>dn3s, yes you can set permissions either with an octal representation (which uses certain numbers for certain meanings) or symbolically, i.e. combinations of r, w, and x for the permissions you want.
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00:29<dn3s>ok that's cool.
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00:33<sule>hey
00:33<johnv474>hi
00:33<sule>where do you come from
00:34<johnv474>my mother. :-)
00:34<johnv474>I'm in the USA, in Indiana. You?
00:34<sule>indonesia...
00:34<sule>you can speak indonesia
00:35<johnv474>no sorry.
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00:36<sule>how many years old are you
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00:39<cthuluh>34012
00:40<sule>hey
00:41<dn3s>how would i go about changing my hostname?
00:41<cthuluh>actually I may be off by +/-10 :)
00:41<cthuluh>dn3s: try the hostname command
00:42<dn3s>aren't there like a ton of places that refer to it that i would need to update as well?
00:42<cthuluh>then change the relevant bits in /etc/host{s,name}
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00:42<cthuluh>yes, possibly many places, according to the software you run
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00:43<dn3s>i actually tried that before, but one thing i noticed was that sudo would always spit out 'sudo: unable to resolve host newdebian'
00:43<dn3s>so i guess sudo has a configuration file somewhere?
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00:44<cthuluh>yes, but I didn't know this kind of error would be triggered using a default sudo config
00:46<dn3s>hmm. i ended up just reverting all the changes i did to files, and while 'newdebian' isn't the most professional-looking hostname, it'll do for my personal server
00:46<dn3s>i'll probably end up reinstalling debian within a year anyways
00:48<dn3s>well i guess that's pretty much all my problems
00:48<cthuluh>lucky you
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00:49<dn3s>well, i mean, i have a vaguely usable system at least. i don't get a security warning email every time i use sudo
00:51<cthuluh>hmmm. well, that's not much complicated
00:51<cthuluh>but anyway, if you're happy with that :)
00:51<dn3s>i dislike the 'mail' command.
00:52<dn3s>oh. like before i was. which was annoying
00:52<cthuluh>?
00:53<dn3s>sudo couldn't resolve my hostname, which was considered a security issue, so i got an email to my account every time
00:55<cthuluh>well, cool, just make it resolvable editing /etc/hosts
00:55<dn3s>yeah. that's what i did :D
00:56<dn3s>i should have said "*at least now* i don't get a..."
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00:57<cthuluh>ok
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01:05<dn3s>well, thanks cthuluh, johnv474, retrospectacus, and heikkila
01:06<dn3s>for all the help. i'm gonna get to bed. goodnight!
01:06<cthuluh>yw
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01:35<tuc>how can i upgrade my linux kernel to the latest version
01:35<tuc>i just downloaded the latest version from kernel.org
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01:38<kenyon>!tell tuc about kernel-package
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01:45<tuc>can some one tell me how i can upgrade my linux kernel
01:45<tuc>to tje latest ver
01:45<kenyon>tuc: dpkg just told you
01:46<tuc>kindly exaplain a bit more.. plz
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01:48<sney>tuc, if you can't understand the bot message, you probably won't be able to figure it out
01:50<tuc>sney, whats a bot message
01:50<sney>tuc, kernel.org hosts the kernel source files, that need to be configured and compiled into a binary form before you can use it
01:50<tuc>sney, any simple method for upgarding..
01:51<sney>on the left side of your irc screen you'll see a list of tabs, one of them is called 'dpkg', which contains a message
01:51<sney>tuc, also, you are using ubuntu, and this is the wrong channel for ubuntu help
01:51<sney>!ubuntuirc tuc
01:51<dpkg>tuc: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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01:53<tuc>ok thanks ubuntu channel is on ..
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02:14<Ub3rS0ldat>Hey all
02:15<Ub3rS0ldat>just so you all know - I feel like a linux god right now
02:15<Ub3rS0ldat>(vtic)
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02:16<Ub3rS0ldat>Had my first win with a constant problems I had been having with my NIC
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02:17<Ub3rS0ldat>So yea, thats my story
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02:18<Ub3rS0ldat>thanks for listening
02:18<Ub3rS0ldat>lol
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02:20*andol is a bit confused by http://www.debian.org/security/2012/dsa-2434 . Can't seem to find any nginx 0.7.67-3+squeeze2 on security.debian.org.
02:20<andol>Neither mentioned in http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 nor available under http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/n/nginx/
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02:29<jm_>heh
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03:21<syn^>why doesn't, hexcurse /proc/self/mem work?
03:22<syn^>what's a good text mode hex editor?
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03:24<vicium>Is it safe to upgrade a ECS running a 6.0 x64 template? :P
03:24<vicium>or would that...
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03:32<vicium>Why does it say not found when i try to run a .bin file? I've chmod +x'd it
03:32<vicium>and im in the correct directory :O
03:32<vicium>http://paste.debian.net/160385/
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03:33<rulojuka>Hi, does anybody know how why Debian installer doesnt recognize my partition table?
03:33<streuner_>vicium: what does "ls -l" say about?
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03:34<vicium>-rwxr-xr-x 1 victor victor 3513408 Sep 2 2005 hldsupdatetool.bin
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03:34<vicium>total 3436 the line above...
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03:36<streuner_>vicium: i have no idea what you did wrong, but read http://sourceserver.info/wiki/hldsupdatetool
03:36<vicium>I use bash? if its of any relevance
03:37<vicium>Maybe it executes .bins diferently? (im a novice, bigtime)
03:37<vicium>Yeah its pretty much an identical guide im following :/
03:38<streuner_>chmod u+x hldsupdatetool.bin
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03:38<vicium>Tried that aswell now, no luck
03:38<streuner_>and run it as user, not as root
03:38<jm_>try running 'file hldsupdatetool.bin'
03:39<vicium>command not found :p
03:39<streuner_>comand not found?
03:39<streuner_>wtf
03:39<vicium>I installed file now, sec
03:39<vicium>hldsupdatetool.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
03:39<vicium>Aha
03:39<vicium>I need 32bit libs?
03:39<vicium>-.-
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03:39<streuner_>no
03:39<jm_>what does dpkg --print-architecture say?
03:40<vicium>amd64
03:40<vicium>that's it :p
03:41<jm_>start with ia32-libs
03:41<streuner_>jm_: http://paste.debian.net/160385/
03:41<rulojuka>Hi, does Debian installer only reads GPT partition tables?
03:42<vicium>Worked with ia32-libs, thanks :)
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03:42<jm_>rulojuka: no
03:43<rulojuka>The installer won't read my msdos partition table...
03:43<rulojuka>Any ideas why?
03:44<jm_>kernel reads it, not installer - run dmesg on tty2
03:45<rulojuka>Hmm.. brb
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03:56<syn^>do all ELF binary files begin with 7F454C46 and end in 00000000000000000100000000000000 ?
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04:01<jm_>I have dc_hide_mailname=true in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, when testing mail sending via /usr/lib/exim4/exim4 -d-all+transport+lookup I see MAIL FROM:<root@hostname.domain>, and our smarthost rejects it because hostname is present - should it remove the hostname in this case or not?
04:01<rulojuka>jm_ About the partition problem... The HD is recognized (and shown on dmesg), and fdisk -l shows all the partition, but i couldn't mount any of them (and save dmesg :( )
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04:01<jm_>rulojuka: mount in the installer?
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04:02<rulojuka>on tty2
04:02<jm_>how did you mount it?
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04:02<rulojuka>just mount /dev/sdb2 /somedir
04:03<jm_>that won't work with busybox's mount usually, so try mount -t fstype /dev/sdb2 /somedir
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04:04<rulojuka>Anyway, it was supposed to be something about partitions on dmesg or only about the HD?
04:04<jm_>both: [ 2.622218] sda: sda1 sda2
04:04<rulojuka>Hmm, i didnt see that..
04:05<rulojuka>Ok, lets try to save it this time :)
04:05<rulojuka>brb
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04:17<rulojuka>Still can't mount.. :(
04:17<rulojuka>mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb7 /somedir gives Mount Failed: No such device
04:18<rulojuka>Mounting ext2 partition also does not work...
04:18<jm_>installer doesn't have ntfs-3g
04:18<rulojuka>I tried with "ntfs" too
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04:19<rulojuka>for ext2 is just -t ext2, right?
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04:21<rulojuka>After mount /dev/sdb7, "Can't find /dev/sdb7 in /etc/fstab"
04:21<jm_>yes - supported file systems can be found in /proc/filesystems
04:21<jm_>(and for many it probably has modules)
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04:22<rulojuka>And, grepping for sd on dmesg, there were some sdb#, in messages like sdb2 < sdb4 ...
04:22<jm_>actually looking at amd64 6.0 installer there are very few modules
04:23<jm_>so it recognized partitions just fine
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04:23<weasel>rulojuka: what are you trying to do anyway
04:24<rulojuka>But when the partition screen comes, my other HD shows his only partition, and none appears after /dev/sdb
04:24<rulojuka>Just install debian :)
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04:24<rulojuka>But the partitions don't show at the partition screen
04:24<weasel>make a new partition table?
04:25<rulojuka>Hmm, i don't want to lose the current one..
04:25<weasel>the partitions don't show up in /proc/partitions, do they?
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04:26<rulojuka>Well, i didn't see that already.. I'm newb and don't know the right files... The worst part is rebooting for every move :(
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04:27<rulojuka>Here we go again..
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04:35<rulojuka>weasel: /proc/partitions seems to be ok, all partitions are in there...
04:36<rulojuka>jm_: /proc/filesystems is weird.. Is it supposed to be some line containing ext2, ntfs, or something like that?
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04:39<jm_>rulojuka: yes, but most of them are available as modules (in udebs) and are loaded by the installer, see /cdrom/pool/main/l/linux-kernel*/
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04:47<amitz>what app to see the url requested by an app?or an interface if an app is difficult?
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04:47<amitz>other than tcpdump, unless someone can give me a crash course on what to grep ;-)
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04:48<jm_>perhaps explain in more details what you want to do
04:48<arand>wireshark, maybe?
04:49<amitz>my eclipse hangs if my notebook is connected. i suspect it tries to validates certain files against files on internet. i want to know file from which url.
04:49<amitz>let see wireshark for now.
04:50<jm_>yeah use analyse tcp stream in wireshark if it's plain text
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04:50<amitz>the url requested should be sufficient. am looking at wireshark.
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04:52<syn^>what's the easiest way to get my machine to Log All SIGSEGV, 11 signals? 2.6 kernel, debian 6, squeeze
04:52<syn^>and why isn't that the default anyway?
04:53<jm_>I get that by default
04:53<syn^>ahh man. is my box broken?
04:53<syn^>I tested it, and no logging
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04:53<syn^>which log should it go in?
04:54<syn^>jm_, what kernel, deb you got?
04:54<jm_>syn^: kern.log
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04:54<jm_>syn^: none
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04:55<yokee>hi
04:55<syn^>damn. nothing
04:55<syn^>just a message from the last time the kernel's ip_tables mod loaded
04:55<syn^>otherwise kern.log is blank
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04:56<jm_>npviewer.bin[14885]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000f5a76971 ... is an example
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04:58<rulojuka>This time i saw that some things are loaded only when it's time to partition the HD, now dmesg shows something like http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2012/03/msg00202.html
04:58<syn^>jm_, is 'none' a filename or a kernel version or a debian version?
04:58<rulojuka>Messages of "sending ioctl 1261 to a partition"
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04:59<rulojuka>and ioctl 800c0910 too
04:59<rulojuka>Sorry for not noticing that earlier :) Anyway, partitions still on /proc/partitions and unmountable
04:59<rulojuka>Anybody have ideas?
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05:00<jm_>syn^: I don't understand your question
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05:00<arand>How would I go about completely resetting bluetooth config to scratch and debug BT connection issues, I'm suspecting that some setting from another computer got cloned over to this one, but I am not sure.
05:01<arand>The symptom is that I can pair with bluetooth, but never connect (111 connection refused)
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05:02<jm_>syn^: ahh I get - it was a reply to your "what kernel, deb you got?" question
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05:04<DragonDon-GTab>Has anyone got a good link for troubleshooting black screen on startup? I am seeing a lot of 'imuxsick drop messages in the log
05:05<DragonDon-GTab>Imuxsock
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05:06<syn^>jm_, how can I get my 2.6 linux kernel to log when it sends out a SEG signal.
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05:16<jm_>syn^: not quite sure, kernel code mentions some sysctl, but I don't have it here
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05:20<syn^>jm_, which syslog, ksysg system do you use? I use rsyslog
05:20<syn^>jm_, which conflicts with linux-kernel-log-daemon
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05:21<Dauzz>how to install pydev on debian ?
05:21<jm_>syn^: I use good old sysklogd - but even then, you should see it in the dmesg output
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05:30<syn^>jm_ negative. I'm sending kill -s SIGSEGV to all kinds of processes, and not seeing anything logged.
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05:31<syn^>not to /var/log/syslog, messages, `dmesg` , /var/log/kern.log, nowhere.
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05:32<afuentes>how do you know what package i have installed that is providing me a virtual package?
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05:32<syn^>just changed, rsyslog.conf, kern.debug /var/log/kern.log, and still nothing.
05:33<jm_>syn^: it's the same here if I issue a kill manually - kernel logs it when a "trap" occurs
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05:38<syn^>jm_, it's the same? what's the same? if I kill manually, I do not get anything logged.
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05:39<syn^>jm_, what kernel version you got? I have 2.6.32-5
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05:41<jm_>syn^: the same as you described, doing kill -SEGV manually doesn't mean kernel will log it, only when a real crash occurs due to a trap
05:42<syn^>jm_, well if that's the case, it's dumb. even if I'm doing testing, debugging, I should see it in the log.
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05:42<syn^>but I generate a real test then,
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05:43<syn^> now to figure out how to product a C pointer to an invalid memory address. umm.
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05:46<jm_>heh strcpy(NULL, "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa");
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05:52<syn^>jm_, Yaahh! Mar 20 04:51:15 www kernel: [434226.388453] segfault_const[26926]: segfault at 8048460 ip 0804838f sp bfba6680 error 7 in segfault_const[8048000+1000]
05:52<syn^>it does log real segfaults.
05:52<jm_>yeah
05:52<syn^>well, non kill segfaults.
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06:11<syn^>what exactly does the mysql configuration variable 'i-am-a-dummy' do?
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06:35<syn^>I think that the username 'www-data' sucks, and that it should have been 'www', or 'apache'.
06:36<daemonkeeper>www-data is used for plenty services other than apache.
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07:12<anonymous>hellooo
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07:14<fixl>is there a clear upgrade path from stable to testing? I usually get an error when i do apt-get update after changing the sources to testing :(
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07:15<daemonkeeper>Like?
07:15<themill>"an error"?
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07:15<themill>dpkg: tell fixl about pastebin
07:15<fixl>hmmm I'll do another net install
07:15<fixl>in my vm
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07:19<amoe>I have a system with squeeze (linux) on the second hard disk and sid (kFreeBSD) on the first hard disk. I installed the squeeze system second, and it overwrote the boot loader without detecting the kFreeBSD install, so grub doesn't have that as a menu option and I can only boot into the Linux system. What files would I need to modify to re-add the kFreeBSD hard disk to GRUB?
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07:24<syn^>daemonkeeper, ohh. damn. well, it could be 'www'
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07:24<pippo>ciao
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07:25<syn^>amoe, I think /boot/menu.lst but I don't know.
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07:26<jm_>amoe: do you have os-prober package installed?
07:27<amoe>jm_: yes, I do
07:27<jm_>amoe: and it can't detect freebsd if you run update-grub?
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07:28<amoe>jm_: nope :/
07:29<jm_>amoe: in that case it's probably enough to chainload boot loader on the first disk, /boot/grub/grub.cfg for grub 2 (but update-grub will happily overwrite it)
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07:30<syn^>Poll: what's your favorite util for daily or at an interval, checking your logs for suspicious or security related events, and mailing them to you? like, checking /var/log/auth.log for more than 1 bad login from any 1 host, and then summing the activity into 1 line for each offending host, any segmentation faults logged, a list of any valid system usernames with bad logins, and maybe summaries of overall bad logins, mail load, ??
07:31<amoe>jm_: so I should try to manually add a 'menuentry' to that file? it is grub 2. do you know where the menuentry syntax is documented?
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07:32<amoe>ah, 'info grub' perhaps
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07:33<jm_>amoe: yes; I see /etc/grub.d/40_custom is meant for this
07:34<jm_>amoe: this should have a sample for chainloader /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/20microsoft
07:35<jm_>actually I take it back after loking at the file :)
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07:36<jm_>info grub -> Booting -> General boot methods -> Chain-loading
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07:53<Ub3rS0ldat>Anyone here I can ask a quick question about grub?
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07:56<jm_>!ask
07:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:58<Ub3rS0ldat>I have a problem with grub not have my Windows 7 install in the menu. I did grub-mkconfig to generate a menu.lst file. In the menu.lst file it has Windows 7 in it however it doesn't show in the menu when I boot the machine. Is there something else I need to do?
07:59<jm_>you most likely have grub-pc installed which doesn't use menu.lst but grub.cfg - install os-prober and it should add windows to menu automatically
08:00<Ub3rS0ldat>os-prober is already installed. I just ran os-prober and it displayed "/dev/sda2:Windows 7 (loader):Windows:Chain"
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08:02<Ub3rS0ldat>Nevermind
08:02<Ub3rS0ldat>I had to also run "update-grub2"
08:02<Ub3rS0ldat>Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
08:03<zeev>hi, could somebody please look up what are the default permissions for /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ ? I have messed it up and would like to restore it to what it should be
08:03<ayaka>if i don't have x and fb don't be supported, how does tty show the char
08:04<petemc>zeev: 755 owned by root
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08:27<patrunjel>Hi. I went through cut's man, info, and the coreutils info thingy, but i just don't understand how to use it (not all of it, just certain functions), could you please lead me to some website or something that gives some examples, or a more explicit explanation?
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08:29<syn^>is TLS1 better than SSL3?
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08:30<jm_>patrunjel: ask concrete question about it
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08:32<syn^>nm. wikipedia explains, TLS1 is a little better than SSL3
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08:33<patrunjel>jm_, ok, let's say I have some output formatted like this : "stuff i don't care about (stuff i need) " How do I extract just "stuff i need" without parantheses?(to get rid of everything before the first parantheses i can just tell itto select the first n bytes, but I don't know how to get rid of the last parantheses
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08:34<jm_>patrunjel: use sed/perl/awk instead - or even shell built-ins (you'd need two cut commands to achieve this)
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08:35<patrunjel>jm_, I already wrote a c program that does it, but i wanted to do it with cut because it would be a chance to use it, and one to learn some more stuff :D
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08:37<jm_>patrunjel: ... | cut -f2 -d'(' but then you'd want to remove trailing ) etc.
08:38<patrunjel>jm_, ok, thanks :D
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08:53<Guerrero61>hola
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08:54<Guerrero61>olaaaaaaa
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08:54<themill>!es-social Guerrero61
08:54<dpkg>Guerrero61: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
08:55<Guerrero61>valee
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08:55<Dauzz>why when l deauth with aircrack-ng my pc cannot connect
08:56<Dauzz>l testing on ubuntu while deauth MAC client l can connect
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08:57<Dauzz>when l testing on debian, l deauth with aircrack-ng my pc cannot connect
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09:00<ayaka>I hear that php official has been hacked once, does the result come out
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09:10<crunchbang>irc
09:10<crunchbang>debian sucks LALLA
09:10<crunchbang>change too Arch
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09:16<Dmitry>a troll?
09:17<Dmitry>I don't want to change to arch :P
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09:43<Infiltrator>syn^: Any chance that you're still here?
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09:44<Infiltrator>My problem with samba (well, more likely windoze) is that a windoze 7 machine refuses to authenticate as any user other than guest.
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09:45<Infiltrator>I have samba set up for guest access; but some users should be able to write. Thus some shares are 'guest ok = yes; writable = no; write list = user1, user2', but the windoze machine only seems to authenticate as the guest user, as it can't write to the share, with a 'permission denied' message.
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09:45<Infiltrator>I've checked the Unix permissions; even tried 755/666.
09:46<Infiltrator>s/755/777/
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09:49<ayaka>Infiltrator use another linux to connect to, if it works, then m$ problem
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10:07<Infiltrator>Figures.
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10:16<Naeblis>Hi. I'm having some trouble setting up sbuild. I've installed the package using dget, but there isn't any configuration directory(/etc/sbuild) and no example sbuildrc(/usr/share/doc/sbuild/examples/example.sbuildrc), which should be there according to the man page.
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10:29<syn^>Infiltrator, hey
10:29<Infiltrator>Naeblis: Try reinstalling the package? apt-file says that it should be in there.
10:29<syn^>Infiltrator, ok. first of all, search google for, "using samba" and "samba-3 by example", get those two books
10:30<syn^>Infiltrator, next, does the windows machine have an account as well?
10:31<Infiltrator>Same username and password on windoze and linux machines.
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10:32<Naeblis>Infiltrator, apt says E:Unable to locate the pacakge sbuild
10:33<Naeblis>and I've tried re-installing from source already. No go.
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10:34<Infiltrator>Tried installing it with just apt?
10:34<syn^>Infiltrator, nm, Machine trust accounts only seem necessary when smb is setup as PDC.
10:34<Naeblis>hmm
10:34<syn^>Infiltrator, did you set a pass? smbpasswd ?
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10:35<themill>Naeblis: dget doesn't install packages. What version of debian are you using, what have you tried and what isn't working? Please stick the commands and their full output into a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net/
10:35<syn^>Infiltrator, did you try using smbclient first to test?
10:35<syn^>Infiltrator, did you check your logs for any clues?
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10:37<Naeblis>themill, I used dget to download the package (dget packageName.dsc), and then installed it using ./configure, sudo make, sudo make install. I'm using Debian Squeeze.
10:38<Infiltrator>The logs are empty. And not sure why, but smbpasswd doesn't exist because 'samba-common-bin' wasn't installed...
10:38<themill>that's really not a good way of doing things... use apt-get install packagename
10:38<Naeblis>I tried to install the package using apt-get, but I get E: p unable to locate package.
10:38<Naeblis>note that I'm doing all this in a VM
10:38<Infiltrator>syn^: Also, the logs were all empty, except for startup messages.
10:38<themill>!show sources.list Naeblis
10:38<dpkg>Naeblis: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
10:39<themill>Naeblis: a vm doesn't make any difference... it sounds like you have a misconfigured apt.
10:39<ayaka>if i don't have x and fb don't be supported, how does tty show the char
10:39<syn^>Infiltrator, are the two machines setup for Workgroup, or Domain?
10:39<syn^>Infiltrator, are the two machines in the same workgroup?
10:40<Infiltrator>syn^: Workgroup; but my guess is that it was the 'smbpasswd' issue. I'll try that.
10:40<Infiltrator>And yes; they are.
10:40<syn^>Infiltrator, smbpasswd doesnt exist?
10:40<syn^>Infiltrator, that won't work!
10:40<Infiltrator>(I never understood windoze workgroups anyway, actually.)
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10:40<Infiltrator>Yeah, it didn't exist, so I thought samba had moved onto some sort of auto-sync with the Linux password...
10:40<syn^>heh. I'm sure theres like 90% more to learn.
10:41*Infiltrator whistles non-chalantly
10:41<syn^>Infiltrator, ok. stop. keep in mind that I'm used to samba 2.x, and that it's been years since I've touched an electrical device.
10:41<syn^>but, I don't understand how it'd work without smbpasswd.
10:42<Infiltrator>Well, the file was empty.
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10:42<Infiltrator>And up until now windoze machines only needed read access; I accessed my machine with ssh/scp.
10:42<syn^>Infiltrator, the file? what empty file?
10:43<Aleric>After making a dd of a filesystem, how can I turn that file into a "device" that I can mount?
10:43<Infiltrator>So maybe I never had it setup correctly but just never realised.
10:43<Infiltrator>syn^: /etc/samba/smbpasswd; apologies for the ambiguity.
10:44<Naeblis>themill, http://pastebin.com/R1JDjiRj
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10:45<Infiltrator>Naeblis: line 7 typo: 'maini' instead of 'main'.
10:45<themill>Naeblis: fixing your typo on line 6 of the file then running apt-get update will be enough
10:45<Infiltrator>Naeblis: Fix that and try again.
10:45<Dmitry>he doesn't use non-free
10:46<Infiltrator>Dmitry: Power to the free!
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10:46<Dmitry>yes, but... sometimes you may need non-free
10:46<Naeblis>oops
10:46<Infiltrator>Dmitry: Yes. :(
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10:47<Infiltrator>Dmitry: Not that I can talk; I use multimedia. ><
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10:48<themill>Naeblis: btw the output of "apt-get update" would have contained errors about that line
10:49<Naeblis>mhm.
10:49<Infiltrator>themill: I believe all the package managers (or at least aptitude and synaptic) would also complain.
10:49<themill>sure
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10:50<syn^>Infiltrator, what's the value in smb.conf of: null passwords = no
10:51<Infiltrator>syn^: The word 'null' isn't in smb.conf at all; maybe a 2.x thing? I have 3.6.
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10:53<Infiltrator>syn^: No, it's not; but the default is 'no', and since I don't have it, it'll be 'no'.
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10:54<syn^>Infiltrator, ok. then you must set a pass in smbpasswd in order for it all to work.
10:54<syn^>Infiltrator, also, the option; unix password sync =
10:55<syn^>determines if smbd updates the unix passwd when ever a user changes their smb passwd.
10:55<syn^>but you still always need a smbpasswd
10:55<syn^>for authenticated users that is.
10:55<Infiltrator>syn^: Ah, so it syncs samba -> unix, but not unix -> samba?
10:56<syn^>and if your in a domain, then the windows machine also needs an account on the linux machine, called Machine Trust Accounts, but now these can be created on the fly by smbd.
10:56<syn^>Infiltrator, correct. but not unix -> samba
10:56<Naeblis>well, it's working fine now. THanks guys. That was a pretty stupid mistake on my part.
10:56<syn^>Infiltrator, but only syncs smb->unix if that option is on
10:57<syn^>Infiltrator, `man smb.conf` is like 3000 lines
10:58<syn^>I think I rememer 6 or 7 years ago having an issue with logging too, I had to change something to make it log right.
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10:59<syn^>and theirs like 2 or 3 different ways to set Readonly, writable, etc.. in smb.conf
10:59<Infiltrator>Naeblis: It happens; just look at what I just did now. :P
10:59<Infiltrator>syn^: I'll have a read through it; thanks.
11:00<syn^>3 ways to set a boolean value is crazy, but I sware..
11:00<Infiltrator>syn^: And my man smb.conf is 8298 lines.
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11:01<syn^>:|
11:01<syn^>you got it to work yet? at least with smbclient ?
11:02<Infiltrator>syn^: Not sure yet; I can't test it.
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11:02<Infiltrator>Oh wait, I can test with smbclient.
11:02<syn^>Infiltrator, here's a list of like 10 different samba manuals: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/
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11:06<syn^>and it looks like samba has 4 or 5 different kinds of authentication, defualt being, security = user
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11:09<Infiltrator>syn^: Yeah, I'm using security=user. Also, what's the way to get smbclient going? Isn't it just 'smbclient -U username -I 127.0.0.1'?
11:09<SynrG>the complexity of samba reflects the complexity of windows networking in general.
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11:10<merwok>Hi. I’m using an American keyboard with a French layout. The key that should be mapped to less than/greater than is missing and I wonder how I can make these characters. I haven’t found anything with compose; do I have to create a custom layout file?
11:10<syn^>Some other settings you should know exist: "write list" and "valid users"
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11:11<Dmitry>vrkalak, :O
11:11<syn^>The old book seems to be the shortest, and still mostly correct: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch09.html
11:11<Dmitry>how many familiar faces here...
11:12<vrkalak>hey, Dmitry
11:12<Dmitry>=)
11:12<Infiltrator>syn^: Yeah, I used 'write list'; I assume that 'valid users' is similar?
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11:14<syn^>From table 9-1, on that page; valid users | string (list of usernames) | Users who can connect to a share
11:15<syn^>Infiltrator, umm. for smbclient.
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11:18<syn^>Infiltrator, smbclient -U user -I IP -L netbios_hostname to list shares
11:18<syn^>Infiltrator, smbclient -U user -I IP //netbios_hostname/share_name to connect to share
11:18<Infiltrator>syn^: Thanks. Tested and working with smbclient.
11:18<Infiltrator>Lets hope that windoze decides to play nice...
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11:20<syn^>Infiltrator, did you need to specify an IP with -I ?
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11:20<syn^>Infiltrator, cause ideally, you don't want that
11:21<Infiltrator>syn^: I tried just //127.0.0.1/share_name and it worked. But I assume that I could also do '-I 127.0.0.1 share_name'?
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11:21<merwok>Count yourself lucky, I need to make Samba work between a Debian host and a Windows VM
11:21<syn^>yeah. and if netbios lookup is broken, then nmblookup in linux or nbtstat, or nbtstat in windows
11:22<syn^>nmbstat rather.
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11:23<syn^>the netbios system, needs nmbd running on linux, and uses UDP, so obviously firewalls can break it
11:23<syn^>do you have both nmbd, and smbd running?
11:23<TiaDerewith>HELP REGISTER
11:23<syn^>TiaDerewith, what's that do?
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11:23<syn^>HELP REGISTER
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11:24<themill>you want to be addressing nickserv with that
11:24<merwok>You may be missing /msg nickserv help register
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11:24*syn^ wonders if Tia was a real girl
11:24<merwok>Is that important?
11:25<syn^>is she important? you mean like powerful, or famous?
11:26<merwok>No, I meant: Is gender relevant?
11:26<Infiltrator>Or "important".
11:26<syn^>anyone gonna run for Debian president?
11:26<merwok>The candidates have been announced.
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11:27<syn^>are there any other distro's with presidents?
11:27<merwok>DPL ≠ president :)
11:28<syn^>eh? DPL?
11:28<merwok>Debian Project Leader
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11:28<syn^>ahh
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11:29<syn^>so what form of government is debian?
11:32<merwok>It’s well explained in many languages on debian.org/project (from memory)
11:32<merwok>Or you can look for talks from Stefano Zacchiroli
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11:33<Infiltrator>Well, the !dpkg off-topic
11:33<Infiltrator>!dpkg off-topic
11:33<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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11:33<merwok>Which gets us back to my keyboard problem :)
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11:40<syn^>Infiltrator, check out the Samba examples, starting on page 40, http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba3-ByExample.pdf
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12:04<Infiltrator>merwok: Does this help you any? http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba3-ByExample.pdf
12:04<Infiltrator>Hm...
12:04<Infiltrator>Sorry.
12:04<Infiltrator>merwok: http://hektor.umcs.lublin.pl/~mikosmul/computing/articles/custom-keyboard-layouts-xkb.html
12:04<Infiltrator>Bloody windoze and needing to copy after selecting...
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12:05<merwok>Infiltrator: Maybe, I’ll try that later. I hoped to avoid that. Also, I’m not sure I’ll have a key to assign; maybe if the right Windows key has a different code than the left one (Super), I could use it
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12:11<Dmitry>which repos I can write to sources.list to get squeeze/updates? I think not the same as just for "squeeze"
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12:11<Infiltrator>Dmitry: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
12:11<Dmitry>Infiltrator, that is the only repo for that?
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12:12<Infiltrator>merwok: Hoped to avoid editing the layout? You'd have to find a quite specific layout, then.
12:12<OdyX>there's also http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2011/msg00000.html
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12:12<themill>dpkg: tell Dmitry about make squeeze sources.list
12:13<Dmitry>thx
12:13<themill>Dmitry: btw, avoid using "stable" in your sources.list... saves nasty surprises
12:13<merwok>Infiltrator: With a previous laptop for example I was able to register and map custom buttons using xmodmap; without learning how to write and use a custom layout
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12:13<Dmitry>themill, I use squeeze
12:13<Infiltrator>merwok: And that's not working for you this time?
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12:14<Infiltrator>themill: I like to live life on the edge. :P
12:14<merwok>Infiltrator: I haven’t used that for a long time, so I don’t know if xmodmap is deprecated or not, what xinit/xsessionrc/xmodmap init file I should use, etc
12:15<merwok>Infiltrator: I think I have the code here, I’ll try reusing it, good suggestion
12:15<Dmitry>what the difference between squeeze-updates & squeeze/updates?
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12:17<ayaka>about efi, does devices drivers not write for os,only for efi
12:18<Infiltrator>Dmitry: Just different naming conventions, I guess?
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12:18<themill>Dmitry: one is for security updates, the other is for non-security updates (like virus scanner definitions). They would have to be the worst picked pair of names possible.
12:18<Dmitry>Infiltrator, I don't think that only this
12:19<Dmitry>ah, ok
12:19<Dmitry>thx themill
12:19<Infiltrator>Dmitry: ^^^ Apparently yes. :P
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12:19<Dmitry>:)
12:20<Infiltrator>You can talk to the president about it if you like. :P
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12:21<Dmitry>themill, yes, that's true about the worst picked pair
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12:36<Dmitry>what is "squeeze-proposed-updates"?
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12:38<Infiltrator>Dmitry: My guess would be exactly as it reads; updates that are proposed for squeeze.
12:38<Hydroxide>a good (and correct) guess :)
12:38<Dmitry>ok :)
12:39<Hydroxide>stuff from there and from the security repository gets rolled into subsequent squeeze point releases
12:39<Hydroxide>which existing squeeze users get via the normal package manager upgrade process
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12:41<dhoovie>hello all q: does the netinstall iso not have fdisk? will I have to create the partition table on another system before running the install?
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12:52<dhoovie>:( looks like gparted it is
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12:52<Dmitry>:(
12:53<Infiltrator>dhoovie: Anything against gparted?
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12:53<Dmitry>lol
12:53<dhoovie>no, but i have to download it on slooooow internet
12:53<heikkila>dhoovie, you can edit partitions with netinstall
12:53<dhoovie>i want to try to properly align my ssd
12:53<babilen>dhoovie: The netinstall lets you use partman -- Not sure if fdisk is on the disks.
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12:54<dhoovie>tbh it's all a bit of black magic to me, but i am trying to do it
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12:54<dhoovie>and, i can't find any way to do it on partman
12:55<dhoovie>and, tried to do a find for fdisk, no luck
12:55<retrospectacus>the installer will create/delete partitions, not sure about resizing tho
12:56<dhoovie>yeah, i can create a partition. not resize or control how it creates the partition table
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12:57<dhoovie>found a nice guide to do it with gparted, so I guess try to follow that
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12:58<dhoovie>thanks for the help though, appreciate it
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13:06<dhoovie>i know answers from here might be a bit biased, but what do you guys think about a minimal debian install vs an arch install?
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13:08<sney_>dhoovie, well, not so much biased as I've never used arch
13:08<Infiltrator>Same.
13:08<sney_>but what are the criteria? what are we comparing?
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13:08<Infiltrator>But why are you tossing up between the two?
13:08<Infiltrator>Eh, beat me.
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13:09*Dmitry beats Infiltrator
13:09<Dmitry>okay 8)
13:09<dhoovie>sney_: I guess a fair question. ease of install/use, flexibility are two of my main criteria.
13:10<Infiltrator>dhoovie: Well, I've found installation of Debian very easy; but I haven't tried the SSD thing as you are.
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13:11<dhoovie>in the end I am going with debian testing because I felt it might be easier for me to setup and I am more familiar with it.
13:11<Infiltrator>dhoovie: And what do you mean by flexibility? What are you trying to achieve?
13:11<dhoovie>but those arch wiki pages are just amazing
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13:12<dhoovie>Infiltrator: like I wanted to give systemd a bit of a spin
13:12<babilen>dhoovie: You are allowed to read them even if you use Debian ;)
13:12<dhoovie>see if I even think it's worth it
13:13<dhoovie>but... with debian it just looks a bit harder to get it on. and often makes me wonder if I am even capable of doing it.
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13:13<dhoovie>babilen: yes i know. part of the reason I finally decided debian.
13:14<Infiltrator>dhoovie: Get what on, exactly?
13:14<dhoovie>it's all part of the big happy linux family :D
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13:15<Infiltrator>dhoovie: And here are a few (probably biased) comparisons: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Compared_to_Other_Distributions#Debian_GNU.2FLinux http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/debian-vs-arch-linux-for-my-needs-on-a-laptop-advice-requested-921514/ http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=27965
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13:15<Infiltrator>dhoovie: Also, I don't think arch has a 'stable' in the way that Debian does.
13:16<dhoovie>Infiltrator: lol yup. read 'em all. just wondered what people in here thought.
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13:17<Infiltrator>Most likely either haven't tried arch or biased towards Debian. Hence why they're here. :P
13:17<dhoovie>and that is one of the things that makes me hesitant to run Arch. though, I am planning on running wheezy so I'm not so sure where that leaves me
13:17<Infiltrator>Well, I run stable-experimental. :P
13:18<Infiltrator>Just set aside a day when you know you're free to do upgrades.
13:18<Infiltrator>So that when things break, you've got the rest of the day to fix it and you're not in a rush to get somewhere else. :P
13:18<sney_>a lot of debian regulars finished their "go around and try all of the distros" phase long before arch existed
13:18<babilen>dhoovie: Try both and use whatever suits your needs -- I have no experience with ARCH as a user, but would like to point out that the packages I've seen from them are much simpler (really just a thin veneer over whatever upstream ships) to their counterpart in Debian.
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13:20<dhoovie>Infiltrator: I guess thats fair enough. I kind of have to hault my ubuntu updates. :( breaks my comp.
13:21<Infiltrator>It's just a good idea in general whenever you change anything to test it and be prepared for all hell to break loose.
13:21<dhoovie>sney_: Ahh... though I really do like what the arch guys are doing. and obviously think debian is awesome :)
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13:22<Infiltrator>I've actually got 460 packages awaiting upgrades because I haven't had time.
13:22<babilen>dhoovie: This might be indicative of: 1. Faster package release cycles 2. Less overall system-integration 3. Less code deduplication 4. Less testing ... But seriously: Just try both for some time and use whatever you feel comfortable with.
13:22<Infiltrator>dhoovie: Like babilen said, there's not reason not to try both.
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13:35<segv>hmm
13:36<segv>noticed, boot of fsck.btrfs fails because it doesn't exist on boot causing my system to not be bootable
13:36<segv>awesome
13:36*segv symlinks
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13:41<Infiltrator>I know I can do 'aptitude search "?installed ?upgradable"' to find packages that are installed, but how do I find uninstalled packages that aren't purged? I've tried 'not-installed', 'uninstalled', 'removed'.
13:41<arand>segv: Well, btrfsck is noth something you want to run on boot, in general..
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13:44<arand>Infiltrator: "dpkg -l | grep ^cn" I think, look at the 'man dpkg-query' to get the correct letters.
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13:45<themill>Infiltrator: aptitude search ~c
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13:46<Butthead_>.1
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13:53<Infiltrator>themill: Thanks.
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14:00<Infiltrator>What about manually installed? I've got '?automatic' for auto, and 'man dpkg-query' doesn't have anything about manual/automatic.
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14:02<themill>Infiltrator: dpkg doesn't know anything about automatic vs manual installation; that's in apt's database.
14:02<sun>hi i want to install a package, but aptitude finds a bunch of other packages need updating. id like it to skip updating all the other stuff and just install the package i need for now, then when im done i will run aptitude full-upgrade etc. how can i get it to just download and install the 1 package i need?
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14:03<Infiltrator>themill: Which man page should I look in?
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14:03<meglaw>get the .deb and do dpkg -i file.deb
14:03<meglaw>sun
14:03<themill>sun: can you pastebin the full output of "aptitude install package" for this package?
14:04<themill>dpkg: tell Infiltrator about aptitude search
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14:07<Infiltrator>themill: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html tells me how to find automatically installed, but not manually; is there a NOT operator?
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14:08<Infiltrator>themill: nm
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14:09<sun>meglaw thanks, i just did aptitude download then dpkg -i and it worked.
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14:13<ChrisKnadle>Infiltrator: ?not(?automatic)
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14:21<meglaw>sun np.
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14:30<TedTed>hi everyone
14:31<retrospectacus>hi ted
14:31<TedTed>I'm looking for Nicolas Dandrimont, known as olasd, and this page : http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2012/Projects#Semantic_Package_Review_Interface_for_mentors.debian.net suggests a channel, #debexpo, which apparently doesn't exists
14:32*olasd looks behind himself
14:32<retrospectacus>I think he's around here somewhere
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14:32<TedTed>olasd: oh, good afternoon
14:32*retrospectacus lokks around behind olav
14:32<retrospectacus>sd
14:32<daemonkeeper>As is the channel ...
14:32<themill>TedTed: #debexpo is → that way
14:32<olasd>yeah, the channel exists too
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14:46<tiger_lili>wireless problem, somebody help plas
14:46<tiger_lili>pls
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14:46<Sicelo>!ask
14:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:46<tiger_lili>i have my terminak open
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14:47<tiger_lili>so im i newbie
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14:47<tiger_lili>my wireless doesnt work
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14:47<tiger_lili>ubuntu 11.10, i have my terminal open what may i write?
14:47<Sicelo>you must disconnect here first.. then do
14:48<Sicelo>!ubuntu
14:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:48<tiger_lili>ok , i have to go tu ubuntu
14:48<tiger_lili>ubuntu chat room?
14:48<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc tiger_lili
14:48<dpkg>tiger_lili: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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14:49<retrospectacus>tiger_lili: yes, try the link ^
14:49<tiger_lili>thank u all, bye
14:49<retrospectacus>good luck
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14:51<petrol91>Hi, im traying to somehow get sequence of CPU operations executing during work of application. Do you know how to do it (or something similar)
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14:53<Infiltrator>petrol91: Do you mean dissamebly of a program?
14:53<petrol91>something like tha
14:53<Infiltrator>s/dissamebly/disassembly
14:53<petrol91>but not exacly
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14:53<Infiltrator>petrol91: Then what?
14:54<petrol91>dissasembly in current situation
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14:55<petrol91>not to extact all instructions form binary, but only sequence of those active
14:55<ompaul>petrol91: strace would be a bit too highlevel?
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14:57<ompaul>I'll take that as a no, it's exactly what I want.
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15:26<Anon81>hi
15:27<Infiltrator>!ask
15:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:27<Anon81>!ask
15:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:29<retrospectacus>well that was pointless
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15:29<Infiltrator>Yes, my bad.
15:29<retrospectacus>heh, no
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15:30<Dmitry>:|
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15:31<Dmitry>I added squeeze-updates in my sources.list :)
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15:31<Dmitry>APT has found some updates
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15:39<kowal>witam
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15:41<kowal>can I write in Polish here?
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15:43<stracqua>http://xdcc_6
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15:44<Infiltrator>!pl
15:44<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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15:55<Dmitry>!ru
15:55<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
15:55<Dmitry>oh, sweet! ^^
15:55<Dmitry>!ua
15:55<dpkg>Ukraine - ua ukr 804 User Agent. It refers to web clients, and what they send to the web server as "who they are". It can be easily faked.
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16:20<anonymous>sal
16:20<anonymous>cf
16:20<anonymous>?
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17:04<mejsa>hey guys,what should i add to /ets/fstab to keep my /dev/sda mounted ?
17:05<mejsa>tried /dev/hdc1 /new-disk ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 -this is not working for me
17:05<meglaw>you mean sdaX
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17:05<mejsa>yep
17:05<mejsa>sda, :-)
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17:05<meglaw>hdc1 is not sda1
17:05<meglaw>just change that and do mount -a
17:05<meglaw>should work
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17:09<mejsa>hmmm, i did change it,2 days ago,but didnt do mount -a and after reboot i got an error
17:10<npx>Hey guys, I'm running testing i386 on an Acer Aspire D270 netbook (Atom N2600) hooked up to a 1080p monitor, and xrandr doesn't seem to be detecting the outputs correctly - it's working in clone mode and not giving me native resolution on the TV. Any ideas?
17:10<npx>it's an HDMI connection
17:11<meglaw>mejsa: ok, what error and what happens if you do mount -a (thats just for testing, if that works, it will work at reboot)
17:11<meglaw>gimmi a pastebin och fdisk -l and cat /etc/fstab
17:11<meglaw>;)
17:12<meglaw>and a df -h
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17:13<mejsa>okay,ill try, but before,shouldt it look like UUID=a69e06ae-9a66-4915-803d-17022025079b /usr ext3 defaults 0 2 ? for example ?
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17:25<mejsa>Thank you guys :-),it works ;)
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19:17<mejsa>hey,is possible to have more than one user,having the exactly some dir /home/dir ?
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19:18<daemonkeeper>What would be the benefit of it?
19:20<Infiltrator>I think you'd run into many permissions problems, too.
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19:28<sirEgghead>howdy folks
19:28<retrospectacus>hello sir
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19:29<sirEgghead>i'm running squeeze on a 32bit system. i compiled wine about a year ago to include sound support among most of the options available. the reason i did this was to be able to run world of warcraft. we run world of warcraft with the -opengl flag. today it says "failed to get a gl context for default adapter". i checked glxinfo and got the error "unable to open display"
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19:29<sirEgghead>not sure if it's a wine issue or a video driver issue. i'm tending to lean more toward video driver as it appears that wine did not update
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19:30<retrospectacus>means you're running it from the wrong place (as root, in screen, over ssh or such) where there is no display
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19:30<sirEgghead>hmm, ok one sec please. i did most of it from local term, but i probably did try glxinfo over ssh
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19:32<sirEgghead>ok from local term it says "error of failed request: badwindow (invalid window parameter)"
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19:32<sirEgghead>and some other stuff
19:33<robbiethe1st>That's often due to OpenGL not being available
19:33<robbiethe1st>check that your kernel driver(Nvidia?) has loaded right
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19:34<robbiethe1st>xorg.0.log should have what you want
19:34<sirEgghead>yeah it's nvidia. mind giving me a little push here on checking? i quit being a *nix sysadmin due to a new job over the past year. getting a little rusty on system level stuff :)
19:34<retrospectacus>ofc the question is, what did you do yesterday/today that changed this?
19:34<sirEgghead>probably 3 or 4 days ago i updated after 3 months of not updating
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19:37<robbiethe1st>To be honest, I'd go the Debian way of installing Nvidia drivers
19:37<robbiethe1st>it should end up replacing all the manual stuff, and install nice and cleanly
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19:37<sirEgghead>can't remember what i did to install them, to be honest. it has been about 2 years since i set up these systems
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19:38<sirEgghead>only thing i remember doing manually is compiling wine
19:38<sirEgghead>reason being is i needed a few modules, like sound
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19:39<sirEgghead>but i will be glad to follow any suggestions that you have. at the moment, i am not thinking clearly at all due to a sinus cold and being out of the system level linux business for a short period of time :S
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19:39<kimb>http://www.xlovecam.com/sex-cam-hot-live-bebessa-jeunesfemmes-22-ans-80293.html
19:39<robbiethe1st>Well, if you updated the kernel, Nvidia's kernel module needs to be rebuilt for the new kernel
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19:39<kimb>its my freind
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19:39<robbiethe1st>This happens if you reinstall the driver(from the .run package provided by Nvidia)
19:39<robbiethe1st>Or, automatically if you have the Debian packages installed
19:39<kimb>my freind help her =http://www.xlovecam.com/sex-cam-hot-live-bebessa-jeunesfemmes-22-ans-80293.html
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19:40<sirEgghead>ah. mind giving me about 10 minutes please sir/ma'am? i need to afk
19:40<robbiethe1st>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
19:40<robbiethe1st>Oh, sure.
19:40<sirEgghead>ty
19:40<robbiethe1st>I'll be here for oh... 4 hours or so
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20:13<sirEgghead>sorry
20:13<sirEgghead>had something to take care of
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20:16<scientes>how do i use a gateway that isn't on the same subnet?
20:17<dondelelcaro>scientes: you can't.
20:17<scientes>and on a subnet that i dont have an ip address
20:17<scientes>cause i've got a host that is set up with ip addresses
20:17<scientes>and the gw address is on the subnet of the "master" ip, but not the other ip addresses
20:18<scientes>and i want to allocate one of the secondary ip addresses to a virtual machine
20:18<sirEgghead>robbiethe1st, are you there sir?
20:18<dondelelcaro>scientes: I'm still not understanding you; the default gateway has to be on a routable subnet.
20:19<scientes>so can i add a /32 route to it?
20:19<dondelelcaro>scientes: you may be able to; that's kind of insane, though
20:19<dondelelcaro>and there's certainly no reason you'd ever do that
20:19<scientes>hmmm
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20:19<robbiethe1st>Oh, sorry
20:19<robbiethe1st>um
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20:20<scientes>oh wait, i can add a /24 local link route
20:20<dondelelcaro>scientes: why can't you have a gateway up on the subnet of this machine?
20:20<scientes>i just dont have an ip on that subnet
20:20<scientes>but i guess that is ok
20:20<dondelelcaro>scientes: why doesn't the gateway have an ip on that subnet?
20:20<dondelelcaro>and a local link route won't work, because the gateway won't know how to return those packets
20:20<scientes>well, i dont know its s dedicated machine, and the secondary ip addresses appear to not have a gateway
20:20<robbiethe1st>sirEgghead, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Check here
20:21<scientes>but i can access the secondary addresses globally
20:21<dondelelcaro>scientes: the secondary ip address doesn't need a gateway
20:21<sirEgghead>robbiethe1st, ok i'm there. sorry i'm a bit slow today. head cold is getting to me
20:21<scientes>now i want to transfer a secondary ip to a virtual machine that is bridged on the same interface dondelelcaro
20:22<scientes>maybe, there is a gateway on this subnet, but i havn't asked
20:22<scientes>my host
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20:22<dondelelcaro>scientes: well, there pretty much has to be one
20:22<scientes>ah ok
20:22<dondelelcaro>scientes: and you should be able to guess what IP address it is pretty easy
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20:22<dondelelcaro>use tcpdump or look at the arp requests if you can't figure it out
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20:24<scientes>i dont see it with traceroute
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20:26<dondelelcaro>you can't use traceroute.
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20:27<dondelelcaro>I said tcpdump and arp...
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20:30<Salamander>Setting parameters of disc: (none)
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20:30<Salamander>EXT3-fs error (device sda1) something about unable to read inode
20:31<scientes>dondelelcaro, how do i do that?
20:31<dondelelcaro>scientes: tcpdump -i interface -n -l -vv; and watch. should be obvious
20:31<dondelelcaro>scientes: you can also just figure it out if you look at your ip and subnet mask; the gateway is almost always the first or last ip.
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20:32<Salamander>hello there, im writing the stdout of the startup proces, aparently there is a problem with my disk and I dont know where to start
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20:32<scientes>its not the same gateway as the host, as the host has a "master" ip on a differn't subnet
20:32<scientes>but same interface
20:33<scientes>oh i gotcha, it worked, with grep
20:34<scientes>who-has ME, tell GATEWAY
20:34<Salamander>im writing from my laptop, my desktop pc is dead. EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=something, block=somenumber
20:35<dondelelcaro>scientes: pretty much, yes. those are arp requests.
20:35<Salamander>I dont know how to ask for help. Should I perform a fsck check and repair?? with wich parameters??
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20:37<scientes>now how do i flush the arp cache?
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20:39<GhostConn>dose anyone know if there is a hackintosh chat server out there
20:40<scientes>GhostConn, i know it exists somewhere
20:40<scientes>but not here
20:40<GhostConn>understandable thought it might be worth asking on hear
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20:44<GhostConn>is there support for gnome on hear
20:44<scientes>GhostConn, yes, but the upstream support channel is irc://irc.gimp.net/gnome
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20:50<orflon>hey, is there a system monitor software for checking temperature + other sytsem info?
20:51<craigevil>orflon, conky
20:51<orflon>aha, let me check that
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21:02<sakrayaami>hi there, anyone using ampache?
21:02<retrospectacus>I think that sakrayaami uses it
21:03<sakrayaami>yes yes :)
21:03<retrospectacus>!ask
21:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:03<retrospectacus>I don't so that's all I got , cya
21:04<sakrayaami>Does anybody knows if the transcoding ampache is pre-sampling the music or it is done in real time?
21:05<sakrayaami>*transcoding feature
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21:10<ukine>my bet is realtime
21:11<ukine>* sakrayaami , because anything else would be storing a duplicate on your hdd
21:11<sakrayaami>let's hope so :)
21:12<sakrayaami>10x
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21:21<u010>hello, I have a internet conection problem. i need help. Linux lab020 2.6.32-5-amd64
21:24<u010>it goes up and down and its very anoying
21:24<u010>i found several post on internet. they propose disabling ipv6 wich i did and it did not work
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21:29<orflon>craigevil, do you have any conkyrc that works with temperatures of cpu and mem?
21:30<craigevil>orflon, havent used conky in forever, just google conkyrc
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21:46<sirEgghead>robbiethe1st, sorry, i haven't forgotten about you. still working on that computer
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21:51<u010>I start to feel i am the only one with internet being so slow :D
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21:53<craigevil>u010, if you disable ipv6 you might need to disable it in iceweasel or whichever browser you use, might also consider using a different dns nameserver like Google DNS or OpenDNS
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21:56<robbiethe1st>sirEgghead, any progress?
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21:57<sirEgghead>robbiethe1st, just downloaded the newest from nvidia and installed. just rebooted
21:57<sirEgghead>fixing to test
21:57<robbiethe1st>I'll suggest that using the nvidia official binary won't work well
21:57<sirEgghead>looks like it worked
21:57<robbiethe1st>Debian changing to multiarch screws things up
21:57<sirEgghead>everything is ok now
21:57<sirEgghead>:)
21:58<robbiethe1st>After minor upgrades, things break
21:58<sirEgghead>yeah
21:58<sirEgghead>point taken
21:58<sirEgghead>happened with this one
21:58<sirEgghead>lol
21:58<robbiethe1st>Happened to me every few reboots
21:58<sirEgghead>however i couldn't fix it with the debian nvidia webpage
21:58<sirEgghead>:S
21:58<robbiethe1st>odd
21:58<sirEgghead>so i installed direct from nvidia
21:58<sirEgghead>works
21:58<sirEgghead>idk
21:58<sirEgghead>sorry to harass you over something like this
21:58<sirEgghead>but thanks a ton for the help and patience
21:58<robbiethe1st>NP
21:59<robbiethe1st>Hey, what works works.
21:59<sirEgghead>yup
21:59<sirEgghead>i'll try that next time i upgrade and it breaks
21:59<sirEgghead>before i get back on here
21:59<sirEgghead>not thinking clearly today
21:59<sirEgghead>head bothering me
21:59<sirEgghead>but thanks a ton
21:59<sirEgghead>have a good evening :)
21:59<robbiethe1st>Speaking of which, I'd suggest messing with your xorg.conf file - add triplebuffer.
21:59<sirEgghead>robbiethe1st, alright, i'll certainly do that
22:00<sirEgghead>ty
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22:00<robbiethe1st>Really helps prevent jitter stuff with your openGL stuff
22:00<robbiethe1st>I forget what it's called, but it makes sure each frame is a 'full' frame before displaying it effectively
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22:01<sirEgghead>nice
22:01<sirEgghead>might have to check that on my pc as well
22:01<sirEgghead>i run wow on my pc too
22:01<sirEgghead>wine on squeeze
22:01<sirEgghead>opengl
22:01<sirEgghead>for the most part it's ok, but if i take a screenshot, i always have a vsync line across the middle
22:02<sirEgghead>lol
22:02<robbiethe1st>Speaking of wine... I'd look into Crossover(i.e. paid version of wine). You can get a free copy if you agree to 'advocate' for them - i.e. be a beta-tester and provide a report for one application each beta-cycle
22:02<sirEgghead>hmm
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22:02<sirEgghead>i always wanted to try crossover but i'm not much of one for paying for stuff
22:02<robbiethe1st>Yeah.
22:02<sirEgghead>i'll check into the advocation thing
22:02<sirEgghead>ty for the tip
22:02<robbiethe1st>You can get a few-day free trial in any case
22:02<sirEgghead>nice
22:03<robbiethe1st>And you can port your wine profile over without issue. Both ways, actually.
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22:04<robbiethe1st>Hm... what else? adding the 'coolbits' '7' option to xorg.conf allows you to mess with both overclocking/underclocking your video card, and adjusting fan speed - for cooler or more performance
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22:07<sirEgghead>ooo i got to remmber that one
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22:07<sirEgghead>this is an old graphics card anyway
22:07<sirEgghead>gf 9800
22:07<sirEgghead>wouldn't upset me to hurt it
22:07<sirEgghead>lol
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22:09<sirEgghead>ok folks i'm gonna shut down for the night
22:10<sirEgghead>have a good evening
22:10<sirEgghead>thanks again robb
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