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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-03-21

---Logopened Wed Mar 21 00:00:02 2012
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00:13<rxecret7>malaysia
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00:14<Doris>ok
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00:24<dhananjay>ls
00:24<dhananjay>Sorry. :(
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00:27<eightyeight>is the /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift value seconds, milliseconds, something else?...
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00:36<heinzes>I was trying out sbuild, but it seems it either needs some build deps installed on the host (I tried phonon, and it needs pkg-kde-tools when running dh_* commands) or I did something wrong. Do I need pkgs on the host?
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01:07<dom_>hello.everyone.now a meet a problem.i just installed the apache.but when i restart it ,it appears like this:bad user name```
01:07<dom_>who can tell me how to solve this
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02:01<Ub3rS0ldat>I'm having trouble getting my Wireless NIC to work. I installed module-assistant and wireless-tools however when I do the command m-a a-i broadcom-sta I receive a module-assistant, error message saying that it was unable to locate the source
02:01<Ub3rS0ldat>i'm sure that source is correct
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02:03<Ub3rS0ldat>I also am getting an error in Synaptic saying "Fix broken packages" when I try and install a package.
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03:57<unc0nnected>hey guys, I have libpixman-1-0 installed from the backports (0.24.0.1~bpo60+1) but I want to install libpixman-1-dev and the only options in synaptic are 0.16.4-1 and if I go to find the .deb file here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libpixman-1-dev the only version available is 0.24.4-1. How/where do I get the 0.24.0.1 version of the -dev package?
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03:58<jm_>from backports
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04:03<unc0nnected>I feel like such a n00b saying this but "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" is in my sources.list file, obviously I'm missing something that tells debian to go to the bpo for -dev packages
04:03*unc0nnected heads back to google
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04:04<jm_>!tell unc0nnected -about bat
04:04<jm_>are you aware you typically need to use this to install from bpo: apt* -t squeeze-backports install foo?
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04:07<unc0nnected>jm_: I wasn't aware of that
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04:09<Cozminsky>Is there a setting in NetworkManager to tell it to not touch resolv.conf?
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04:10<jm_>unc0nnected: well perhaps you have configured it via preferences (man apt_preferences) so you don't need it, but anyway, see what dpkg the bot told you
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05:00<sina>hello
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05:01<orflon>debian shows that I have about 2.96gb of memory , but I have 2 sticks of 2gb ram installed. Does that mean that it just doesn't show them, or doesn't use them?
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05:01<jm_>orflon: what does dpkg --print-architecture say?
05:02<orflon>jm_, i386
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05:03<jm_>orflon: you need to use either bigmem or pae kernel, or 64bit kernel
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05:03<orflon>jm_, could you please check that howto if it's safe? http://knowledgelayer.softlayer.com/questions/294/Debian+isn%27t+showing+all+my+ram!
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05:04<jm_>orflon: yeah, you'll still have old kernel available in boot menu if something goes wrong
05:04<orflon>cool thanks
05:04<hajar>ciao a tutti
05:04<jm_>orflon: you can find 3.2 kernel on bpo if you wish
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05:05<orflon>cool
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05:05<orflon>jm_, just to clarify, at the moment my system does not use them all or it doesn't show them all?
05:05<jm_>orflon: it doesn't use it
05:05<debianer>anybody having time to help?
05:05<orflon>and that's a problem of the kernel?
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05:06<jm_>well it's a problem of architecture, which was addressed with extensions later on and those kernels have support for those
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05:06<jm_>!tell debianer -about ask
05:07<orflon>thanks jm_
05:07<jm_>orflon: no worries
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05:12<debianer>make a debian partial repository from the dvd set
05:13<debianer>who can help?
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05:16<hajar>ciao
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05:17<roughnecks>hajar: qui si parla inglese soltanto
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05:18<dpkg>i guess apt-cdrom is used to add a new CDROM to APT's list of available sources: man apt-cdrom. See also <apt-cdrom_external>.
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05:38<orflon>hey again, one last issue, clicking by pressing the touchpad doesn't work when i'm at the login screen. It does when I enter. Sounds strange, any clues?
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05:42<babilen>orflon: I guess that it is activated/managed by GNOME (or whatever you use as DE) not by Xorg itself. If you use a synaptics touchpad then something like http://paste.debian.net/160483/ in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-synaptics.conf might just do the trick. (See "man synaptics" for an overview of the configuration options)
05:43<orflon>thanks babilen i'll try it.
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05:57<Ub3rS0ldat>Good evening
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05:58<roughnecks>good morning :)
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07:43<punisher>can i install an irc-server on debian lenny ?
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07:43<ansgar>punisher: You want to update to Squeeze first.
07:44<babilen>sure - but note that lenny has been EOLed and that you should upgrade to squeeze ASAP
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07:44<punisher>okay .. thank you..
07:44<babilen>dpkg: tell punisher -about lenny->squeeze
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07:45<babilen>punisher: Make sure that you follow the release notes - Good luck. That being said: There are a couple of IRCds in Debian and you'll have to decide which one you want to use
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07:45<ayaka>does init be called means kernel finish it load work this time
07:45<Lokillo>ola
07:45<punisher>oke thank's all
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07:45<Lokillo>hello
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07:46<punisher>my network hardware can detected on debian lenny .. i'm using acer aspire ao happy .. should i updgrade the kernel ?
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07:47<babilen>punisher: A kernel upgrade will be part of the lenny→squeeze upgrade (.26 → .32) -- You might have to install firmware for your network hardware though. Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" in here please?
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07:48<punisher>i'm sorry I can't because i was uninstall the debian and now i'm using backtrack 5 r1...
07:49<wvdakker>I have an AMD64 systeem. However dpkg reports a i386 system install. I cannot direct upgrade after I changed my APT::Architecture to AMD64. Because Immediate install will not be supported
07:49<wvdakker>How can I do this?
07:49<wvdakker>have upgrade multiarch manualy to AMD64
07:49<wvdakker>but then it stops
07:49<ayaka>wvdakker paste uname -a
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07:50<babilen>punisher: I have no idea about backtrack, but you should be able to run this command as well. But how are you planning to upgrade to squeeze if you don't even run Debian? There is no point in installing lenny and upgrading as you can just install squeeze in the first place.
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07:50<wvdakker>Linux notebook 3.2.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 5 02:56:07 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
07:51<babilen>punisher: I would also recommend to ask questions in #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net until you are really using Debian as BackTrack is off-topic here. Thank you!
07:51<punisher>okay thank you..
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07:51<wvdakker>dpkg --print-architecture ... i386
07:51<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, wvdakker
07:51<jm_>wvdakker: it's doable, but it required lots of manual work for me (that was before multi-arch though)
07:51<ayaka>wvdakker please paste source.list
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07:52<punisher>okay your welcome ..
07:53<wvdakker>jm_ doesnt matter... better then a fresh install ;)
07:54<wvdakker>ayaka did you mean apt.conf? sources.list only has my file repositories
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07:55<ayaka>what, how come, i need repair
07:56<jm_>wvdakker: I used this http://users.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/
07:56<ayaka>it means wheezy don't use source.list, only apt.conf?
07:56<jm_>wvdakker: more recent one http://www.pitt-pladdy.com/blog/_20111226-210804_0000_Debian_Squeeze_i386_to_amd64_conversion/
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07:57<punisher>I'm forget .. I'm using debian 5 for streaming server but when i upload my videos i can't see it and play it .. i'm using ostube to stream it .. can you help me ? I was configure it correctly..
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07:58<wvdakker>jm_ thanks for the links.... looks like a kind of suicide ;)
07:58<daemonkeeper>Yet
07:59<jm_>wvdakker: it's not that bad - what would've helped the most is removing packages like nvidia-kernel, but I only learned about that when I was done :)
07:59<daemonkeeper>You could wait until Wheezy which presumably comes with multiarch support allowing such things in a much saner way.
07:59<wvdakker>I dont use nvidea but the nouveau drivers
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08:01<ayaka>well, i still can't understand mulyiarch
08:01<ayaka>well, i still can't understand multiarch
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08:02<jm_>other stuff that mattered was removing 3rd party stuff (opera, google-chrome, ...), obsolete packages no longer available in current releases
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08:04<wvdakker>I only use standard applications.. no3th party stuff
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08:04<jeff_>squeeze-backports currently holds two 3.2 kernels: 3.2.9 and 3.2.4. Does anyone know why there are two 3.2 versions?
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08:06<Myon>possibly the old one just didn't get removed yet
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08:07<jeff_>thanks, that is also my guess. in which case i may go with the later one. ;)
08:07<@Ganneff>ive not checked, but i would guess the packages file only lists the newer one
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08:08<jeff_>nope, they are both still visible
08:08<jeff_>apt-cache search linux-image
08:08<jeff_>.snip.
08:08<jeff_>linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 - Header files for Linux 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
08:08<jeff_>linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 - Header files for Linux 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
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08:08<jeff_>oops
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08:08<jeff_>one is linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.1 (3.2.4) the other is linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2 (3.2.9)
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08:09<themill>jeff_: backports frequently holds more than one kernel in its Packages files despite what the backports ftp-masters frequently claim.
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08:09<jeff_>ah ok, didn't know. thanks again!
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08:10<DragonDon>greetings all
08:11<DragonDon>what is a good demo to test out video graphics with use for an MMO game?
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08:12<jm_>DragonDon: sl
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08:12<jm_>:)
08:12<DragonDon>sl?
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08:13<jm_>apt-get install sl, it's awesome
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08:14<DragonDon>seriously? you can do better than that if you want to be foolish :)
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08:18<jeff_>bye
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08:36<ayaka>is there issue in kernel 2.6
08:37<petemc>undoubtedly
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08:40<ayaka>petemc sorry ,i means mmc part or sd part
08:40<ayaka>which is known
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08:45<nad>hi
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08:55*ratnick has a slow learning curve
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09:00<wanglan>hello
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09:13<ayaka>where can I find a dict cover all kernel functions
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09:23<ratnick>ayaka: http://us.peeplo.com/
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09:25<ayaka>ratnick what is it
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09:26<ratnick>search engine
09:26<ayaka>ratnick i see, not work
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09:26<wacked>Someone have already successful add a linux server on a windows domain?
09:27<ayaka>ratnick http://m.peeplo.com/sd-blk-issue-rq/
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09:27<ayaka>wacked active direction?
09:28<wacked>You mean active directory?
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09:28<ratnick>ayaka: http://m.peeplo.com/conditions_m.html
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09:29<ayaka>ratnick no different
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09:29<wacked>So anyone can help me with the smb.conf configuration?
09:30<ratnick>ayaka: "Italian Laws."
09:30<ayaka>!tell wacked about ask
09:30<ayaka>ratnick but i don't want it
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09:31<ratnick>If it's free, who's is it?
09:31<ratnick>yes i know. just an issue
09:31<ayaka>ratnick which is free?
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09:31<ratnick>a free internet?
09:32<ayaka>ratnick maybe it is offtopic
09:32<ratnick>hmmm :)
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09:44<eightyeight>is the /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift value seconds, milliseconds, something else?...
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09:45<artz>hi
09:46<artz>have someone tried remmina remote desktop client to connect server?
09:46<artz>lan server....
09:46<Udoblunt>eightyeight, milliseconds iirc
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09:47<eightyeight>looking around, it appears to be ppm, or parts per million, actually
09:47<Udoblunt>oh ok, just glad I got a digital clock X)
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10:04<DragonDon>is there any reason not to use Craigevil's sources.list (outside of not needing everything in it...)
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10:30<rgms>Hi. Is there a way to completely remove SELinux after installing it?
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10:30<rgms>I reckon just removing the packages doesn't do the trick
10:30<weasel>you don't have it enabled or doing anything after a default install
10:31<rgms>it's in the kernel by default but not enabled or something like that?
10:31<weasel>correct.
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10:31<rgms>okay, thanks for your help.
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10:32<weasel>weasel@evi:~$ sudo grep -i selinux /var/log/dmesg
10:32<weasel>[ 0.004029] SELinux: Disabled at boot.
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10:54<eduromo>eduromo,
10:54<eduromo>eduromo,
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10:55<movl>eduromo: wtf
10:55<eduromo>sorry
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11:19<Zathras>Hi. I am looking for a FOSS package (preferably with a .deb) which allows for giving (remote) demonstrations. So the visitor can see the same thing at the same time the presenter does. Does such a package exists?
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11:21<Udoblunt>yes it does excist, used one couple of years ago at school. but can't remember the name
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11:22<sney_>x11vnc would provide that, if I understand what you're asking
11:22<Zathras>just wondering what would be the keywords to use when googling. "presenter" sounds more like ppt like
11:22<Zathras>ah. ok.
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11:23<Zathras>problem with vnc is that it requires extra sw on the client and it is quite slow
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11:24<sney_>it can be slow or fast depending on the settings and the network throughput
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11:32<zsombi28>y
11:32<zsombi28>d
11:32<zsombi28>is there anybody?
11:32<zsombi28>im new
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11:37<SynrG>Zathras: anything that records your desktop could, in theory, then be re-streamed to other locations while it is still being recorded ... (obviously with some latency, but may be sufficient for your purposes)
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11:40<SynrG>Zathras: you could google the phrase "stream my desktop" for solutions like this
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11:52<Zathras>basically I want a to have a webbrowser session to a webserver to be viewed live by someone else with as less fuss as possible. To do this I want to have this webbrowser not to be in a LAN but somewhere where people can connect to the session in such away that everything stays in the DMZ
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11:54<Zathras>so a bit like linux's "screen" which allows connecting and disconnecting
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12:03<SynrG>Zathras: reputedly guacamole (http://guac-dev.org/) would give you this with nothing more than an HTML5 browser on the client side, thereby addressing your "no special client-side software" concern (unless you consider an HTML5 browser is itself "special software" ;)
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12:03<SynrG>seems like a superior solution to the older java-based one (i, for one, *do* consider java to be "special client-side software")
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12:04<Zathras>ah. cool. I will check that out
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12:09<Zathras>SynrG, hmm. looks interesting, but still a remote desktop is needed. It not so much itself provides a remote desktop.
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12:10<Zathras>A desktop and/or browser within a browser would be an option provided multiple people could look at that session
12:10<Zathras>this is becoming a bit tricky :-(
12:10<Dmitry>:-(
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12:20<SynrG>Zathras: sure, but x11vnc + guacamole would surely work?
12:21<Zathras>I will have a go with them in a test environment when I find the time. May thanks for the input
12:21<SynrG>np. good luck
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12:41<himanshu>hi can any one help me ... I am new to ubuntu.??
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12:41<ansgar>!ubuntu
12:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:41<himanshu>hmmm ok ... thanks
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12:49<Nal2>hey saludos
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12:58<brandon2010>hello all
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12:59<retrospectacus>hi brandon
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13:20<sakrayaami> Hi there, I need to remove the key-ring from a remote machine in order to access it through vnc. I do have SSH root access to it. I've tried to remove the files from /.gnome2/keyrings and reboot the system, but again i think it asks for a default one.
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13:20<sakrayaami>I'm currently located on the remote machine
13:21<Adluc>look into /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
13:21<Adluc>or alternatively ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
13:21<Adluc>every line is key automatically authorized
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13:22<AgusLR>also, when sshing into the machine, it should tell you the line in the file to remove
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13:22<sakrayaami>ok but this is for the SSH, I want to login with VNC which requires everytime when a reboot the Debian to enter the keyring for the VNC.
13:23<sakrayaami>and this is because of the Auto Login feature is enabled.
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13:30<Adluc>Im unsure with this, I use VNC with port tunelling on 5901, and it requires just that small password (directly in VNC) when connecting
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13:44<victor>hello
13:44<retrospectacus>hey
13:45<victor>how are u
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13:48<retrospectacus>victor: great. Do you have a Debian question?
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13:48<ukine>Adluc, do you think you mean port forwarding? because tunneling (a good idea) you would do with sshd
13:49<victor>yes pls whats is thé perpas of those chanels
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13:50<retrospectacus>victor: this channel is for support with Debian.
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13:51<victor>sorry am new here what is Debian
13:51<victor>what does mean
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13:52<retrospectacus>!debian
13:52<dpkg>it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
13:55<victor>thx
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14:04<luke_>hi
14:04<luke_>my internet connection is very unstable
14:06<luke_>every 5 minutes it breakes up
14:06<luke_>i cannot ping my router
14:06<luke_>i dont have an idea why
14:06<luke_>someone here who have an idea how that can happen
14:06<luke_>?
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14:07<luke_>ey
14:07<luke_>why kicked me?
14:07<meglaw>you spammed
14:08<luke_>i wrote only my problem
14:08<retrospectacus>it's your router's fault, it sent all your messages at once
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14:08<meglaw>write longer lines, its not a personal thing, its a script kicking in luke_
14:08<retrospectacus>you should have wrote it all on one line yes
14:08<luke_>that is a problem of linux
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14:10<retrospectacus>luke_: why do you think it is a Debian problem? It looks like your router or your ISP is the problem
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14:24<Blitzmerker>Hi, is there a way to add a printer that is only accessible via ssh?
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14:26<valdyn>Blitzmerker: what would be the point of that?
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14:28<Blitzmerker>valdyn: being able to print.
14:29<valdyn>Blitzmerker: you dont need ssh to print, so that makes no sense
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14:29<Blitzmerker>I can only access the printer via ssh
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14:30<valdyn>Blitzmerker: you mean you can only access the printer server via ssh?
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14:30<retrospectacus>printers don't usually run ssh servers
14:30<valdyn>retrospectacus: clearly
14:31<valdyn>!ssh tunnel
14:31<dpkg>from memory, ssh tunneling is http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/facilities/faqs/SSHTunnelingUnix.html , or http://www.google.com/search?q='ssh+tunneling' , or http://www.debian-administration.org/article/38/Tunneling_connections_securely_with_SSH
14:31<valdyn>Blitzmerker: ^^
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14:42<Blitzmerker>which port is used for printing?
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14:46<eduardo>hola
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14:53<ppxm>[Running BLUEJABB Trial version] test
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15:25<funkyHat>capabilities
15:25<funkyHat>err. wrong window
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15:26<Bierce>hello
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15:27<Bierce>hey im sure this is a common issue around here but can someone please help me get the flash player working the commands ive seen on google are not working
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15:28<retrospectacus>Bierce: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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15:28<Bierce>thank you
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15:30<Bierce>its wanting root even though im the computer manager
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15:31<Bierce>sorry kind of new to linux
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15:31<retrospectacus>yes.. you need to be root to install things
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15:32<retrospectacus>use either sudo or su
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15:32<retrospectacus>whichever your machine is set up to use
15:32<Bierce>so sudu then space and command
15:32<retrospectacus>perhaps
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15:33<Bierce>" run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>".
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15:33<Bierce>that what it says at the top so i guess its sudo then space
15:35<Bierce>okay thank you now its going
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15:37<Bierce>grrrr
15:37<Bierce>maybe not
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15:39<Bierce>okay this is literally about to drive me crazy
15:40<retrospectacus>stop saying pointless things and describe the problem
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15:41<Bierce>i installed the flash plugin from the software center but the only thing ive gotten it to work on is youtube
15:41<Bierce>im on xubuntu 11.10 64 bit
15:41<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc Bierce
15:41<dpkg>Bierce: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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15:41<Bierce>oh...
15:42<retrospectacus>nobody here uses ubuntu... we can't help you\
15:42<Bierce>ah my bad
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15:44<bill>firt time here; i see what looks like an apt bug
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15:44<bill>here goes :)
15:45<bill>I have a repo that's not getting a proper priority on ONE server only
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15:45<bill>apparently because it's entry's missing the release line
15:45<bill>but that happens on one client only
15:45<bill> 500 http://repo.varnish-cache.org/debian/ squeeze/varnish-3.0 amd64 Packages
15:45<bill> origin repo.varnish-cache.org
15:46<bill>ir should get 990 because it's n=squeeze
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15:46<bill>other servers have that line too
15:46<bill>release o=varnish-cache.org,a=stable,n=squeeze,l=Varnish,c=varnish-3.0
15:46<bill>before origin
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15:47<bill>google didn't have anything relevant to say
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15:49<ChrisKnadle>bill: are you using a Pin in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ to set the priority on that repo?
15:49<bill>not on the origin, no
15:49<bill>only on n=squeeze
15:50<ChrisKnadle>bill: if not, see 'man 5 apt_preferences' which will explain how to do that (if you want)
15:50<bill>but why dosen't that one client's preferences have that release line?
15:50<themill>bill: you can pin on things other than n=
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15:51<bill>yes. I do elsewhere, but that's not my point :(
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15:51<bill>three identical server show preferences as:
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15:52<themill>please use a pastebin
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15:52<bill> 990 http://repo.varnish-cache.org/debian/ squeeze/varnish-3.0 amd64 Packages
15:52<bill> release o=varnish-cache.org,a=stable,n=squeeze,l=Varnish,c=varnish-3.0
15:52<bill> origin repo.varnish-cache.org
15:52<bill>only one, with identical apt config, show:
15:52<bill> 500 http://repo.varnish-cache.org/debian/ squeeze/varnish-3.0 amd64 Packages
15:52<bill> origin repo.varnish-cache.org
15:52<bill>no release line, so what comes from that repo on that server isn't squeeze
15:52<themill>bill: please stop pasting into the channel and put the entire output of "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list in one
15:53<themill>make sure you run apt-get update first
15:53<bill>i did
15:53<ChrisKnadle>I think I see what you're saying though
15:53<bill>want me to paste it here?
15:53<themill>bill: no. http://paste.debian.net
15:53<bill>k
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15:56<bill>just pasted
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15:56<bill>apt-cache policy from two servers
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15:56<Guest7129>hi giks
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15:56<bill>1st one normal, 2nd one missing the release line and getting prio 500
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15:57<themill>(http://paste.debian.net/160553)
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15:58<themill>.o0( what a mess )
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16:01<themill>bill: are they actually the same versions of apt on both machines? The output of "apt-cache policy libc6 apt dpkg" might be interesting to see.
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16:03<bill>themill: yes, they're identical servers, automatically built the same way and maintained the same way via puppet
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16:03<bill>i pasted the sources.list as http://paste.debian.net/160554/
16:04<haylo>idling at 25mibs ram using only debian + xorg + iceweasel, thank you debian!! :)
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16:05<bill>just pasted output of apt-cache policy libc6 apt dpkg
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16:06<retrospectacus>bill: you need to tell us the paste URLs
16:06<themill>(http://paste.debian.net/160555)
16:06<bill>yes :)
16:06<retrospectacus>or themill can do it for you I guess
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16:08<themill>bill: it would be worth checking the relevant *_Release file in /var/lib/apt/lists/q
16:08<themill>-q
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16:10<bill>the files have the same size on both servers
16:10<Sicelo>,versions ofono
16:10<judd>Package: ofono on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.18-1; sid: 0.53-2; wheezy: 0.53-2
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16:10<bill>should I paste it?
16:11<themill>bill: I assume the header looks the same as http://repo.varnish-cache.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release
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16:12<bill>themill: not just the header, they're the same files
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16:15*themill looks very confused
16:15*bill too
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16:38<ChrisKnadle>what distinguishes which server you connect to? (because they seem to have the same DNS name)
16:38<weasel>context?
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16:41<ChrisKnadle>weasel: what's the context difference?
16:42<weasel>no, I wonder what you are talking about.
16:42<weasel>there are many different servers for many different services that one might connect to
16:42<weasel>which specific service are you talking about.
16:43<retrospectacus>he's referring to bill's problem above, methinks
16:43<valdyn>ChrisKnadle: you want to tell us that you are talking about different websites with the same ip?
16:43<ChrisKnadle>weasel: Oh. Talking about the problem bill has
16:44<ChrisKnadle>i.e. two servers with identical repos -- trying to figure out how one gets to "the other server" when the DNS names are the same
16:44<weasel>hmm. repo.varnish-cache.org only appears to have on IP address?
16:44<retrospectacus>by IP, probably
16:44<weasel>s/on/one/
16:44<bill>that's what i see too
16:44<ChrisKnadle>weasel: I thought the word "context" was meant as an answer for how the Debian system would know to use "the other repo"
16:45<bill>and the cached content on disk was the same on both hosts
16:45<scientes>i've got a statically routed ip address
16:45<scientes>that i am trying to give to a virtual machine
16:45<scientes>how do i route through the host on a private network
16:46<weasel>scientes: maybe you want to bridge?
16:46<scientes>well i cant bridge
16:46<bill>i had to get that package installed; i deleted /var/lib/apt/lists/repo.varnish* and after apt-get update the policies are normal
16:46<scientes>cause there is no gateway on the subnet ip i am delegating
16:46<valdyn>ChrisKnadle: dns can do the selection, debian may not have a thing to do with that
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16:46<scientes>wait
16:46<scientes>can i add a gateway that is NOT on the subnet
16:46<scientes>i guess that would be fine
16:47<scientes>but interfaces wont let me do it
16:47<retrospectacus>you asked that yesterday, no you can't
16:47<weasel>sure you can
16:47<scientes>ok, yes you answered that too
16:47<scientes>wuut
16:47<weasel>you just have to set up a host route for that host first
16:47<ChrisKnadle>valdyn: ? Not sure... in this case there are two servers, which both have the same DNS name
16:47<weasel>ip r add 192.0.2.13 dev eth0; ip r add default -via 192.0.2.13
16:48<weasel>(probably no -)
16:48<valdyn>ChrisKnadle: yes, and the dns server can serve one of both or both at a time or none in any order
16:48<ChrisKnadle>bill: interesting. But now I'm wondering if this is a server-specific issue
16:49<valdyn>ChrisKnadle: see what you get when you run "host security.debian.org" repeatedly
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16:49<ChrisKnadle>valdyn: ? you mean round-robin DNS, or random?
16:49<weasel>scientes: if you want to do it in /etc/network/interfaces just set up the route via 'up' statements
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16:49<bill>ChrisKnadle: it was specific to one of four identical servers
16:50<valdyn>ChrisKnadle: what difference does that make?
16:50<ChrisKnadle>valdyn: DNS caching is going to make getting a different answer difficult
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16:50<valdyn>ChrisKnadle: fortunately not everyone is behind the same dns cache
16:50<ChrisKnadle>valdyn: the difference is : if there are two servers with identical DNS names, but one is somehow giving a different Release answers for the repo, then how do you test it?
16:51<weasel>ChrisKnadle: you contact them by IP address.
16:51<valdyn>ChrisKnadle: test *what* exactly?
16:52<ChrisKnadle>dig @ns-foo.linpro.net repo.varnish-cache.org +short
16:52<ChrisKnadle>87.238.37.6
16:53<ChrisKnadle>the DNS servers for varnish-cache.org always give the same IP for the DNS reply
16:53<scientes>weasel, will this work with macvtap?
16:53<weasel>ChrisKnadle: that's becaue there appears to only be a single server.
16:53<weasel>scientes: find out?
16:53<ChrisKnadle>Ah. So there aren't two servers, just somehow the Debian box thgout there was. Okay.
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16:55<ChrisKnadle>bill: as long as it's solved.... ;-)
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16:56<bill>ChrisKnadle: yes... but I hate unexplained issues :(
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16:57<valdyn>ChrisKnadle: same ip does not imply same physical server
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16:58<ChrisKnadle>bill: agreed. :-/
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17:15<Rydekull>I want to contact someone that knows about debian domain names, either from the debian project itself or from spi-inc? Preferably someone on IRC, but yeah. Its about trying to get "debian.se" from the current owner to serve the debian project rather
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17:19<dondelelcaro>Rydekull: I can help a little bit, but almost all of that is done by DSA
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17:19<dondelelcaro>weasel: see above if you're around
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17:20<weasel>dondelelcaro: not really DSA related, I think.
17:20<weasel>dondelelcaro: SPI maybe?
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17:20<dondelelcaro>weasel: ah, yeah, maybe.
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17:20<Rydekull>SPI-INC is the owner I think
17:20<Rydekull>but I dont know if anyone is available on IRC
17:20<dondelelcaro>Rydekull: if SPI-INC is the owner, than that's actually Debian.
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17:20<Rydekull>yeah
17:20<Rydekull>And I kinda need the "owner" of the debian trademark to aid them in the case
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17:21<Rydekull>the thing is, the owner of debian.se has had it for years. And well, he havnt really done anything with it, and we've been trying (the swedish debian community) to pry it off his hands
17:21<Rydekull>or simply, pay him for it
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17:22<Rydekull>but yeah, we have a possibility to file a so called ATF(talk to the registrar and file a complaint)
17:22<Rydekull>but we need the "owner" to do it
17:22<weasel>I bet if debian got involved, it would want to end up owning it.
17:22<Rydekull>And one reason being, he has some dubious content on some subdomains, or well, they redirect to other sites
17:22<dondelelcaro>Rydekull: ok; the right person to talk to is leader@debian.org and zack will direct SPI to write an appropriate letter to retrieve it
17:22<Rydekull>Yes
17:22<weasel>not giving it out to another group of people.
17:22<Rydekull>but that's fine
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17:22<weasel>but I agree, IRC is not the place for this. talk to leader
17:23<Rydekull>We'd rather see it go to the debian project then being used for ... crap
17:23<Rydekull>Aight, I guess I'll email then
17:23<dondelelcaro>Rydekull: yeah, that's the best; thanks for dealing with it
17:24<Rydekull>I've been in talks for him for several years about the domain, off and on
17:24<Rydekull>and now im sick of it when I see some subdomains
17:24<Rydekull>dont ruin my dear debians rumor :'(
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17:24<Rydekull>Anyway, thanks dondelelcaro and weasel
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17:27<cloe_>y'a quelqu'un ?
17:27<retrospectacus>!fr
17:28<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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17:30<cloe__>y'a quelqu'un ?
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17:31*NoHandle is back.
17:31*NoHandle is away: Gone away for now
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17:32<retrospectacus>NoHandle: turn that off please
17:32<weasel>NoHandle: please turn that off
17:32<NoHandle>global away
17:32<NoHandle>hope that doesnt sending messages ?
17:32<NoHandle>all the time ?
17:32<haxlas>i have used qcad with debian gnu/linux (lenny) - but now with debian gnu/linux (squeeze 6.0.4) qcad is not longer available - is there a solution to use any version of qcad or librecad with debian gnu/linux (squeeze 6.0.4)?
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17:33<weasel>haxlas: there is a librecad?
17:34<retrospectacus>!qcad
17:34<dpkg>QCad is a computer-aided design application developed by RibbonSoft. Parts of the QCad Community Edition were released under the GPL but are no longer maintained and rely on Qt3; QCad was removed from Debian at <6.0.4> to resolve bug #645043. A Free Qt4 replacement is <librecad>.
17:34<haxlas>not in squeeze weasel ;)
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17:34<retrospectacus>,versions librecad
17:34<weasel>haxlas: there is
17:34<judd>Package: librecad on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1.0.1+nolibs-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.0.1+nolibs-2; wheezy: 1.0.1+nolibs-2; experimental: 2.0.0~alpha2+nolibs-1
17:34<haxlas>hmmm
17:34<retrospectacus>backports
17:34<weasel>ah. backports. sufficiently close :)
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17:35<NoHandle>i thought that only on serbiancafe there is ppl who just wait to remind someone on using colors, bolded text, away messages... it looks that i was wrong
17:35<retrospectacus>NoHandle: here is is considered spam, you'll be kicked
17:35<haxlas>thx judd - i will take a look of this
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17:36<gnugr>haxlas: also try libreoffice draw
17:37<NoHandle>i think that it is philistinism, but o cay... i'll re-set konversation...
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17:37<haxlas>gnugr: okay
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17:38<haxlas>gnugr: but libreoffice draw is not the same i think
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17:39<gnugr>not quite the same but its alright
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17:40<haxlas>gnugr: with inkscape you can draw too - but cad is more different
17:40<haxlas>and qcad was easy to use
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18:21<luninux>ok
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18:38<eloy_>#mongodb
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18:41<amphi>eloy_: please don't belch in the channel
18:42<eloy_>sorry
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19:55<wilfredor>Hi
19:55<wilfredor>I have a dv7 pavillion laptop and the touch pad right click is not working
19:56<wilfredor>I readed that link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1586915 but it is only for ubuntu
19:56<wilfredor>someone could help me?
19:56<wilfredor>I have testing
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20:56<Guest7161>ty debhelper
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21:09<FingerWizard>Pardon me, but what is the most 'Debian' way of upgrading the kernel to 2.6.35 or higher? I have an atheros wireless card that has been creating many headaches and I can only find articles where they use Ubuntu headers. Any links or help would be greatly appreciated.
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21:09<daemonkeeper>Use a backport
21:09<daemonkeeper>!kernels
21:09<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, mainline 3: 3.3 , stable 3.2: 3.2.12 , stable 3.1: 3.1.10 , stable 3.0: 3.0.25 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.13 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.11 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.20 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.59 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.62 , linux-next: next-20120321
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21:10<FingerWizard>daemonkeeper: ty I'll give it a go
21:10<daemonkeeper>err
21:10<daemonkeeper>judd: kernels
21:10<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-rc6-686-pae (3.3~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.9-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.9-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
21:10<daemonkeeper>that one :>
21:11<FingerWizard>:) thank you sir
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23:00<nickzxcv>so i'm installing an amd64 system with the squeeze installer from my apt-cacher-ng mirror set as a regular mirror and not a proxy, and it seems to be working fine, but last night i was trying to install squeeze with the daily build installer and it seemed to be getting some truncated files
23:01<nickzxcv>is that a problem with the installer, apt-cacher-ng, or should i even be trying to use the daily build installer to install squeeze?
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23:02<kop>nickzxcv: Don't even try to use the daily build installer unless you want to test the next version of the installer.
23:02<nickzxcv>well i'm willing to help with that too :)
23:03<kop>nickzxcv: Then you can talk to the devs on #debian-boot, or just file bug reports.
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23:03<nickzxcv>ok, thanks
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