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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-03-25

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00:35<kop>_spOOn_: I suppose you might have to restart postfix. Dunno.
00:37<kop>_spOOn_: Otherwise, you might not be using postfix for local delivery. Maybe you're using procmail or something. Or note that home_mailbox is for stuff in the user's home dir, not /var/spool/mail/.
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01:39<shadrack22>Hello all!
01:39<shadrack22>Could somebody tell me what :>messages would do?
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01:40<shadrack22>google is not much help with this
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01:43<shadrack22>found it... :-/
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01:43<Dozn>^^
01:44<shadrack22>:>filename > truncates file to zero length, : produces no output.
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03:54<naths>bye
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04:39<haotian>I want to use my dvd image to install debian on a computer that doesn't have dvd drive. I found 35mb or something like that boot image, I will boot with that the computer using flash disk ! And then I will Put that 4.7gb Dvd debian image to the flash drive and install debian on the machine. Will that work ? Machine has currently Win XP installed.
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04:45<me>Hi. Network manager doesn't see my wired connection(it works thou). How to fix this?
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04:47<heikkila>me, maybe it's listed in the /etc/network/interfaces file?
04:49<me>heikkila: Actually I may mistakenly messed with my interfaces file. Can you take a look please? http://paste.debian.net/160896/
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04:51<heikkila>me, it looks okay, but if you like nm to take care of eth0 you can comment lines 10 and 12
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04:52<me>heikkila: Thank you very much.
04:52<heikkila>np
04:53<me>Should I restart whole X afterward or networking restart will do the trick?
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04:54<heikkila>Not sure, but I guess you would have to do a network restart anyway, so it re-reads the config
04:55<slush>you probably want to restart network-manager (also)
04:56<haotian>I want to use my dvd image to install debian on a computer that doesn't have dvd drive. I found 35mb or something like that boot image, I will boot with that the computer using flash disk ! And then I will Put that 4.7gb Dvd debian image to the flash drive and install debian on the machine. Will that work ? Machine has currently Win XP installed.
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04:58<me>How to grant regular user option of setting adhoc connections in nm-applet?
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05:00<heikkila>me, check that you are member of "netdev" group by typing "groups"
05:00<heikkila>haotian, with windows xp I think you could use unetbootin to make a bootable debian stick
05:01<me>heikkila: the user is a member of 'netdev' group.
05:02<heikkila>me, if that's not enough, then I don't know
05:02<me>Ok, thanks.
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05:05<haotian>heikkila :: I have found this but which one ? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
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05:05<haotian>for the usb boot image for xp
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05:06<ghostconn>hello i have just installed ubuntu 11:10 and I have a ati hd 4870, what video driver should I install?
05:07<ghostconn>i only want to enable compiz effects
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05:07<heikkila>haotian, not sure
05:07<heikkila>!tell ghostconn -about ubuntu-irc
05:08<haotian>these file extensions look awkward
05:08<haotian>I dont even know what to do with them
05:08<ghostconn>?
05:09<heikkila>haotian, I would have used http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ , although it's probably not officially supported by Debian, it will download the correct image
05:09<heikkila>ghostconn, this is not the supportchannel for Ubuntu
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05:11<haotian>That looks promising heikkila
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05:11<haotian>That is my dvd image : debian-6.0.4-amd64-DVD-1
05:11<haotian>will it be compatiable with the boot disk unetbootin offer ?
05:11<heikkila>probably
05:12<haotian>sorry for the spam, they have listed this under debian :
05:12<haotian>Debian
05:12<haotian>Stable/Squeeze
05:12<haotian>Testing/Wheezy
05:12<haotian>Unstable/Sid
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05:13<Infiltrator>I installed CUPS and (I think) I installed all the necessary packages for drivers, but when I go to add a printer, 'Canon' does not show up in the list of makes. What package do I need to grab?
05:14<haotian>heikkila :: Thanks I guess I can handle further from this.
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05:16<heikkila>haotian, if you are quite new to linux I would recommend stable
05:17<haotian>yes I'm new but what's the difference of stable release and the one I have
05:18<heikkila>stable is currently major version 6, so none
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05:18<Infiltrator>haotian: stable is stable; testing is testing; unstable is unstable; experimental is experimental. :P
05:18<haotian>oh good :) So the image I have is also stable I think, 6.0.4
05:18<Infiltrator>haotian: Basically the newer, the more breakage, on average.
05:19<haotian>"breakage" ?
05:19<Infiltrator>haotian: Things going wrong.
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05:19<haotian>aha yea
05:19<Infiltrator>haotian: As in "break" made into a noun.
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05:24<haotian>yea got lot of bot spam but worths it Infiltrator (:
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05:26<Infiltrator>Yeah, sorry; it is a bit to read, but the bot explains it better than I can. :P
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05:27<heikkila>saves a lot of typing too :)
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05:35<K0JIbKA>hi all!
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05:37<Dmitry>hello, what's up?
05:37<Infiltrator>!tell K0JIbKA about ask
05:37<Dmitry>:)
05:38<K0JIbKA>I have Debian squeeze stuck in the middle of network operation. How to check logs properely for right question to ask why it's happening?
05:38<Dmitry> /var/logs?
05:38<Dmitry> /var/log
05:38<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: Do you mean the installation?
05:38<Dmitry>sorry
05:39<K0JIbKA>ok, I got this folder. but what to search in it?
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05:39<Dmitry>depends on the type of errors
05:39<Dmitry>which network operation?
05:41<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: Also, what do you by "stuck"? Do you mean that it appears to be doing nothing? Or does it actually fail and give an error message?
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05:42<K0JIbKA>situation is like while opening network location on small home ethernet NAS debian is fully occupied by unknown process and GNOME just hangs as if would be some WinXP. Processor is busy calculating something, Gnome is bysy to open multiple windows of one single folder that I asked for. No errors, no messages. System is madly occupied by some process. By looking into processes window I see gnome-panel which is taking up to 100% CPU
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05:43<Dmitry>K0JIbKA, type top in ur terminal
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05:43<Dmitry>& see which process is at the top
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05:44<Dmitry>hmm, gnome-panel? strange...
05:44<Dmitry>sorry, I didn't see it...
05:45<K0JIbKA>here it is http://paste.debian.net/160898/
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05:46<K0JIbKA>CPU is roasting up so I got afraid of baking up the whole laptop. Is it coming death of machine?
05:47<Dmitry>you have only 442 MB of swap?
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05:47<K0JIbKA>yes, I thought it would be more than enough with 2Gb of memory
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05:48<especially-corn>help
05:48<Infiltrator>Dmitry: Only matters if it's all being used.
05:48<valdyn>K0JIbKA: the swap is not used, so its probably enough
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05:48<devil>especially-corn: ask.
05:48<Infiltrator>!tell especially-corn about ask
05:49<especially-corn>broadcom-sta-source is in stable and unstable but not in testing, what to do?
05:49<devil>especially-corn: use it from unstable?
05:49<Dmitry>yes, it looks like his swap isn't in use
05:49<K0JIbKA>on top of that this is completely new problem. Configuration did not change when problem come to existance
05:49<especially-corn>devil, can i aptitude --use-unstable or anything?
05:49<Infiltrator>especially-corn: What's wrong with the stable one?
05:50<Infiltrator>especially-corn: I think it's 'aptitude --target=unstable'.
05:50<K0JIbKA>if not to take into consideration that I installed a few FTP managers to try out the best one
05:50<devil>especially-corn: apt-ghet install foo/unstable, no idea on aptitude
05:50<valdyn>K0JIbKA: killall gnome-panel, let it reset itself
05:50<especially-corn>i need to install it via m-a a-i broadcom-sta
05:50<especially-corn>i don't think that takes the target flabg
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05:51<K0JIbKA>valdyn: I thought killall suppose to KILL ALL processes isn't it?
05:52<valdyn>K0JIbKA: no
05:52<Dmitry>no
05:52<Dmitry>only that process
05:52<Infiltrator>I think it's actually all process of that name.
05:52<Dmitry>killall - kill processes by name
05:52<Infiltrator>See 'man killall'.
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05:53<arand>It did the allkill in solaris or something though.
05:53<Infiltrator>It can also kill by process start time. Cool.
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05:53<Dmitry>^^
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05:54<rizal>hay, someone can help me!!!
05:54<K0JIbKA>take a look now what is going on http://paste.debian.net/160900/ and I did not kill anything. CPU is still busy calculating something
05:54<Infiltrator>!tell rizal about ask
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05:54<especially-corn>can m-a a-i take repository flag?
05:54<valdyn>K0JIbKA: wait a little...
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05:55<valdyn>K0JIbKA: why are you claiming that you did not kill anything?
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05:56<gman>Hi I'm using Debian testing x86-64, linux 3.2.0-2. 2 days ago apt gave me updates for kernel (the same version). After restart I'm unable to boot with 3.2.0-2 - photos of it's output bit.ly/GZRBUu bit.ly/GOuLe0 my cpu Intel i7 2600K (OC'ed to 4GHz), mb Gigabyte Z68P-UD3. The older versions work. Has anybody any suggestions on how to fix this?
05:56<rizal>Infiltrator : im newbie in linux, my wifi don't support in my linux, can you help me!!!
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05:56<Porto>Hi,
05:56<Porto>i upgrade my kernel with backports
05:56<Dmitry>K0JIbKA, here is something similar: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=05d6804edaa4088c561ad68612b695f1&t=1512193
05:56<K0JIbKA>I just observe situation in progress. to handle it I have to log out of system, even though it never stops CPU from being busy
05:56<Porto>when i restart my x doesn-t start
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05:57<Porto>in log appears nvidia failed to load the nvidia kernel module
05:57<Porto>module-specific error, 0
05:57<Porto>no drivers available
05:57<Porto>anyone can help?
05:57<K0JIbKA>Dmitry: and it happens only upon trying to communicate to NAS. No other way
05:57<gman>Porto: reinstall the driver (don't know about any other solution, works for me every time)
05:58<gman># nvidia-installer -f
05:58<valdyn>gman: do what the photo suggests
05:58<haotian>ah I just noticed the PC I'm gonna install debian has 750mb ram, what do you say ? How much does ram does an idle debian use ?
05:58<Porto>only that command?
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05:58<gman>yep
05:58<valdyn>haotian: not that much
05:58<rizal>....
05:58<Porto>hum not found :D
05:59<haotian>valdyn :: can you give me an approximate number ?
05:59<Dmitry>K0JIbKA, do you maked your computer the network storage?
05:59<Dmitry>did you make*
05:59<valdyn>haotian: this number would be useless to you
05:59<rizal>dephelper
05:59<K0JIbKA>Dmitry: No I got it connected using router
05:59<haotian>valdyn :: how ?
05:59<valdyn>haotian: but lets just say < 256MB
05:59<haotian>oh neat
05:59<K0JIbKA>and for one month everything worked fine
05:59<rizal>debhelper
06:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 472] by debhelper
06:00<valdyn>haotian: because an idle computer is just as useful as a rock
06:00<rizal>Ganneff
06:00<K0JIbKA>Dmitry: and by the way thank you for link. I'm not sure though it would help for Deb
06:00<Dmitry>K0JIbKA, so if you didn't change anything, the problem might be in NAS itself?
06:00<Dmitry>oh, no problem
06:00<K0JIbKA>Dmitry: It might be
06:01<Infiltrator>haotian: It really depends on what you want running on it. You can have a bare-bones one which would probably use less than 50Mb.
06:01<haotian>valdyn :: offtopic, never run a server before but, what do you think about apache httpd server and subversion repository if I run them on the computer, in terms of memory consumption
06:01<rizal>abrotman...
06:01<@Ganneff>!ot
06:01<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
06:01<@Ganneff>rizal: stop it
06:01<Infiltrator>Ganneff: But that question isn't really OT for the channel.
06:01<Infiltrator>Is it?
06:02<@Ganneff>Infiltrator: its not debian support
06:02<@Ganneff>so yes, it is.
06:02<Porto>gman i do nvidia-install -f and appers not found command
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06:02<Porto>gman i do nvidia-installer -f and appers not found command
06:02<valdyn>haotian: these are scaling services, you can run them in as low as probably 10mb up to thousands of mb
06:02<Infiltrator>haotian: You should be right with 760Mb. Just have about ~2Gb swap and monitor it.
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06:02<Infiltrator>haotian: Also, I'd reccomend git over svn. :P
06:03<valdyn>Infiltrator: how do you know that he wants an unresponsive box before it kills processes?
06:03<gman>Porto: did you install the driver from nvidia's website?
06:04<Porto>yap, and is working at stable kernel
06:04<haotian>Infiltrator :: darn ! you are not in #debian-offtopic !
06:04<Infiltrator>valdyn: I mean monitor how much swapping is going on, to see if the amount of memory is really an issue.
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06:04<haotian>Infiltrator :: now I have to ask you "why git over svn ?" in this channel !
06:04<Infiltrator>haotian: You can alway /msg people.
06:04<Infiltrator>haotian: And it's just personal preference for me.
06:04<valdyn>!msg
06:04<dpkg>(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/).
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06:05<Infiltrator>Lol at the point 3. :P
06:06<Infiltrator>Porto: Run the installer again is what he means.
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06:06<Infiltrator>Porto: Also, there's an nvidia package which you might consider looking at. I use it and it works for me, automatically installing kernel modules for all my kernels.
06:07<Porto>ok but i need to download from nvidia site or i can do using mirrors?
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06:08<devil>Porto: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
06:08<Infiltrator>Porto: The package is on the debian mirrors; the installer off the nvidia website is... on their website! :P
06:08<haotian>Infiltrator :: yea but I was just too lazy to, + can I pm you ? - yes, + what is the difference - It's my personal opinion :)
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06:08<K0JIbKA>So, for my case nothing helps to stop processes that take maxumum CPU time. Only thing that I could do is logout of system. then login back and do not use NAS. But what happened?
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06:09<valdyn>K0JIbKA: you obviously miss alot of knowledge on how to treat processes and what they are. Most probably theres no "simple" solution except logging out.
06:10<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: killall doesn't work?
06:10<K0JIbKA>valdyn: I see. I could be grateful for forming a right question to ask in this situation. Because it's not so easy to identify
06:10<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: If so, try 'killall -KILL process_name'; that will kill it instead of asking it to terminate gracefully (-TERM), which is the default.
06:10<valdyn>K0JIbKA: you log out and back in and reproduce this error exactly, and let us know what exactly youre doing
06:11<valdyn>K0JIbKA: "i cannot to nas" is not at all a useful description
06:11<valdyn>s/cannot/connect/
06:12<valdyn>( that said even then *I* cannot be of use to you )
06:13<K0JIbKA>There was a Debian laptop running Squeeze. Like right now. There's also NAS storage device which is running along with it for one month with no problems. As soon as I try to reach NAS' data Debian hangs out busy with some processes like 'gnome-panel' or 'gnome-trach'
06:13<bonno>can you help me too / i have a prob with my linux system..
06:13<@Ganneff>!ask
06:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
06:13<Infiltrator>!tell bonno about ask
06:13<Infiltrator>Too slow. :P
06:15<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: When you say "reach" you mean via samba, right?
06:15<K0JIbKA>GNOME desktop hides all icons from it and leaves only gnome-panel. Coursor awaits for completion of opening Nautilus window with required folder from NAS and this goes on in circle, non stop
06:16<K0JIbKA>Infiltrator: should be so, though I switched on NFS use on NAS but was not able to bring it up and running
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06:16<K0JIbKA>Infiltrator: so it is samba
06:16<bonno>i start my pc with the '' disable screensaver'' option on default and everytime i reboot and sit to watch a movie even though the ''disable screensaver'' option is on my comtuter after 30 minutes or so when i watch a movie starts the screensaver..
06:17<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: Has it ever worked?
06:17<Infiltrator>bonno: Is it starting a screensaver, though, or just turning the screen off?
06:17<bonno>and is very annying to repress everytime the already press by default ''disable screensaver'' option
06:18<K0JIbKA>it was running fine for last month but since last 12 hours problem remains. Nautilus is not able to open NAS folders. Web-interface for NAS-manager is running OK
06:18<bonno>i think it just blanks screen
06:18<Infiltrator>bonno: Then check your power settings.
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06:19<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: Stupid question: have you tried restarting both the NAS and loptop?
06:19<bonno>i have.. i solved onother problem by that which was that the computer was shuted down after some hours..
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06:20<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: And did anything happen about 12hrs ago? (Power outage, system upgrade, etc)
06:20<K0JIbKA>Infiltrator: I did, but let me try once again from web-management panel
06:20<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: Do you also have another device from which you can try accessing the NAS?
06:21<Infiltrator>bonno: There should be an option there for 'turn off the screen after x'. Is that set to never?
06:21<bonno>at the power setting you mean?
06:22<Infiltrator>bonno: I think so.
06:22<Infiltrator>bonno: What DE are you running?
06:22<bonno>what is DE? sorry i am new to linux
06:22<K0JIbKA>Infiltrator: since then I've installed couple FTP managers to reach local network sources. And yes. I do have another device. But on top of that NAS could be perfectly managed using iceweasel interface
06:23<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: Management and access would be via seperate avenues.
06:23<bonno>i have xfce-ubuntu if that is what you mean
06:23<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: Iceweasel and http vs nautilus and samba.
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06:24<Infiltrator>!ubuntu
06:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
06:24<K0JIbKA>could it be FTP packages conflict?
06:25<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: FTP _should_ not affect it.
06:25<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: Can the other device access the NAS fine?
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06:25<K0JIbKA>if so how to remove packages with all dependencies in right way?
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06:26<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: 'apt-get remove package' or 'aptitude remove package' should remove the package, and any automatically installed ones if nothing else depends on them.
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06:27<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: But first you should check to see if it's the NAS or your laptop by seeing if another device can access the NAS.
06:28<Infiltrator>K0JIbKA: Also, check /var/log/messages for anything from nautilus or about the access.
06:28<K0JIbKA>Infiltrator: other devices are using either http link or only media sources from it. I could check
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06:29<rizal>http://punya-rizal.blogspot.com/
06:29<Dmitry>the hell...
06:29<dpriest>?
06:30<Dmitry>rizal, wutz that?
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06:30<Infiltrator>Dmitry: Well, it's obviously his blog, so the better question is:
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06:30<Infiltrator>rizal: Why?
06:31<Infiltrator>Ah, he got kicked; nevermind.
06:31<valdyn>pagerank
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06:32<Dmitry>Infiltrator, okay :-{D
06:32<bonno>all the set pc/screen on display/sleep blah blah are on never.. and yet the screen blanks after some time while watching a movie..
06:32<valdyn>bonno: so?
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06:33<Infiltrator>valdyn: He doesn't want it to; which is reasonable.
06:34<valdyn>if I knew he was using mplayer ...
06:34<bonno>so i am sitting to watch a movie and every 30 minutes or so my screens blanks :/
06:34<bonno>i am using dragon player
06:34<Porto>gman i try to install nvidia from file run and appears unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel
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06:34<Porto>i using kernel from backports
06:35<Infiltrator>Porto: You need linux-header-* package, I think. Again, it's easier to use the nvidia pakcage in Debian.
06:35<valdyn>bonno: "xset dpms off" is done?
06:35<gman>valdyn: Is there any changelog between two versions of packages? I googled LPJ option but I don't quite understand why should I make any changes to boot options. As I said before, I was using the same version of kernel which was updated (3.2.0-2) so probably it were just some minor updates.
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06:36<DragonDon>greetings all. I want to use vncrec to record a VM session. I have the program (vncrec) but the instyructions say that after I start vncrec to just 'strop the server'. As this is a text-only server, how does one do that?
06:36<bonno>what is xset dpms? where do i find that?
06:36<DragonDon>damn typos....after I am done recording, 'stop the server'
06:36<valdyn>bonno: you should already have it
06:36<gman>and it worked without any problems
06:36<bonno>maybe.. but where do i find it?
06:36<valdyn>gman: small as they may be, neither you nor me know their effects completely
06:37<valdyn>gman: the changelog is in /usr/share/<packagename>
06:37<bonno>you mean type that in the terminal?
06:37<valdyn>bonno: yes
06:38<valdyn>gman: i saw 2 photos, i dont know whats skipped, so i cant give a conclusive answer. Adding that option takes as much time as a reboot.
06:38<valdyn>gman: so it should be worth a try
06:38<DragonDon>I understand that typing in '/etc/something/samba stop' will stop samba but running vncrec from a command line doens't seem to imply that it is starting a server, it's not installed in any other dir except the one I untar'd it to.
06:39<bonno>hmm a list of options..
06:40<K0JIbKA>Infiltrator: http://paste.debian.net/160903/ syslog is the program i use for logs evaluation. I this fragment saying anything about the above problem. Others just don't fit the timing
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06:40<bonno>any book for a begginer to learn to use the bash?
06:41<haotian>bonno :: just telling you in case you don't know #bash exists
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06:42<bonno>what is #bash exists?
06:43<bonno>a book?
06:43<dinus>bonno: tldp.org/LDP/abs/abs-guide.pdf
06:43<dinus>tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/Bash-Beginners-Guide.pdf
06:43<Porto>Infiltrator it's done! ;)
06:43<Porto>:D
06:44<ompaul>bonno: suggest you want a dead tree version a pal of mine has on my suggestion suggested this to his students (third level lecturer) http://www.sobell.com/CMDREF1/index.html I've had one in my collection for years
06:44<bonno>omg.. i am so noob..
06:44<Porto>:D me too :D
06:44<Porto>lolll
06:44<bonno>at least you solved the problem mate :)
06:45<Porto>yap i think so :)
06:45<Porto>it's my first time using backports upgrade :D
06:45<bonno>i dont even know what are those.. :0
06:46<ompaul>bonno: so sit back watch the questions, more important the answers, and learn by osmosis
06:46<Porto>its a new versions tested
06:46<Porto>like kernel etc
06:47<ompaul>Porto: and should not be used widely only when necessary
06:47<bonno>thanks mate
06:47<Porto>yap
06:47<Porto>in my case
06:47<bonno>what is that Lag bar on the right down corner?
06:47<Porto>the lm_sensors doesn't work in stable kernel version
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06:48<Porto>and with upgrade of kernel backports thats ok now :)
06:49<Porto>ompaul yap :)
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06:50<ompaul>Porto: doesn't work with your specific hardware, it works with other hardware
06:50<Porto>yap
06:50<Porto>is that the words ;)
06:50<ompaul>Porto: it is important not to make sweeping statements, because usually there is an error in them.
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06:51<Porto>hey another new :D my tablet samsung 10.1v is detected :D
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06:58<DragonDon>I am trying to compile vnc and the first thing it says is to run xmkmf, problem is that command is not recognized and does not seem to be in any of the folders
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07:00<ompaul>,versions vnc
07:00<judd>No package named 'vnc' was found in i386.
07:00<ompaul>DragonDon: do apt-cache search vnc and see what you want to install
07:01<ompaul>DragonDon: apt-get update && apt-cache search vnc and then a choose apt-get install FooBar as you see fit
07:01<ompaul>DragonDon: why build when you have packages by the thousand
07:02<DragonDon>ompaul, thanks, that much I know :) I am trying to run vncrec. Sorry about leaving that out, what do you call that....a
07:02<DragonDon>lacktype' as opposed ot a mistype? :)
07:02<ompaul>brain fart
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07:03<DragonDon>I had to Dl a package and need to compile it, but as mentioned, that first command doens't seem to exist, or is for an older version of Debian?
07:03<DragonDon>none of the VNC packages offer a record feature, at leant none that I know of.
07:04<GreenMouse>Hi all, I've got some trouble with gmusicbrowser when trying to read mp3 file.
07:04<DragonDon>wiki.debian.org/HowtoRecordVNC
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07:05<ompaul>DragonDon: why not just record a session
07:05<GreenMouse>The error is :gmusicbrowser_gstreamer-0.10.pm missing. Any idea to solve this ?
07:05<ompaul>DragonDon: istanbul is useful there
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07:06<DragonDon>ompaul, um,. how do you record a session? that is what I am trying to do. is it a feature in virtualbox?
07:06<ompaul>DragonDon: I just named a useful package
07:07<ompaul>istanbul
07:07<ompaul>install it and let it do the work
07:07<ompaul>it's a function of the desktop
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07:08<DragonDon>Ah, thanks. That will help for my desktop but not for my server (no gui). Although I think vncrec wont work either. So hopefully istanbul will let me capture only the VM window.
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07:09<ompaul>full screen it
07:10<DragonDon>ah, I was figuring on something like that if I couldn't zoom in.
07:12<daniele>Hi, I'm having problems with installation of Iceweasel 11 on squeeze.
07:13<daniele>I've asked in #debian-backports where I've been redirected into #mozilla-debian but it's a small channel and it seems there isn't anyone.
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07:16<heikkila>daniele, what is the problem?
07:17<daniele>http://pastebin.com/8scb7maM
07:18<DragonDon>ompaul, And the first time I saw istanbul mentioned, I thought you were talking about the country and confusing the hell out of me :)
07:18<daniele>Basically it complains about xulrunner-11 which is undetected from apt-get command line.
07:19<daniele>But I can see it in Synaptic, but if I try to install it, it complains about libcairo, libsqlite and something other.
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07:29<heikkila>daniele, are you using crunchbang?
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07:30<Yuni>http://punya-rizal.blogspot.com/
07:30<heikkila>ad
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07:34<Yuni>sudo apt
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07:36<Yuni>nautilus
07:38<haotian>what extra questions does the debian installer ask me if I enter to the expert mode ? It scares me :) First time will install debian
07:38<haotian>But installed fedora, ubuntu long time ago.
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07:41<AniMaLiToS_>guys can anyone help me with installing loic in my ubuntu 10.10
07:41<devil>AniMaLiToS_: not here
07:41<devil>this is debian, you know
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07:43<daniele>Yes I'm using crunchbang
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07:45<ompaul>DragonDon: no problem
07:46<ompaul>daniele: then you need to use their support setup
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07:46<ompaul>!crunchbang
07:46<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
07:46<daniele>Why?
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07:46<daniele>Crunchbang isn't really different from debian.
07:46<devil>because its not debian
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07:46<devil>it is
07:46<daniele>No it's debian.
07:47<daniele>It's debian with configured openbox.
07:47<devil>this channel is debian.
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07:47<daniele>It uses the same packages, if you don't use liquorix kernel.
07:47<devil>and not #chrunchbang or anything else
07:48<devil>daniele: we do not know crunchbang. peroid.
07:48<ompaul>daniele: we don't support it full stop we have a factoid which I had the bot put into the channel
07:48<daniele>1) You know crunchbang as it's the same as debian.
07:48<ompaul>do
07:48<daemonkeeper>!based on debian
07:48<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
07:48<ompaul>not
07:48<Yuni>http://punya-rizal.blogspot.com/
07:48<daniele>2) I've not understood what is a factoid.
07:49<ompaul>!tell daniele about crunchbang
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07:49<devil>good idea
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07:58<haotian>humm I don't see i686 distro here, where shall I look ? http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
07:59<@Ganneff>i386
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08:06<Nik05>hey guys is there a channel voor pgp or gnupg?
08:06<Nik05>ho im tired
08:06<haotian>Ganneff :: does it work on i686 cpu ?
08:06<Nik05>for pgp -_-
08:06<@Ganneff>yes
08:06<daemonkeeper>haotian: Yes. i386 is fully compatible to i686 (but not the other way around)
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08:09<Nik05>If you send a public key to a keyserver with gpg, are the sub keys send too?
08:09<Nik05>And is the subkey for encryption and the public key for signing?
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08:24<haotian><haotian> what extra questions does the debian installer ask me if I enter to the expert mode ? It scares me :) First time I will install debian
08:24<haotian><haotian> But installed fedora, ubuntu long time ago.
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08:26<@abrotman>haotian: do you think you need expert mode for some reason ?
08:26<haotian>thing is I don't know why I would need it and I'm prompted to make a choice :)
08:26<haotian>making a choice without knowing exactly what u choose :)
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08:28<onno>hi
08:28<@abrotman>haotian: then don't use it til you know you need it
08:28<onno>can somebody help me with setting up pxe. I don't understand what network settings I should give: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1112209
08:29<@abrotman>This channel is for Debian support
08:30<onno>so its about the same
08:30<devil>*sigh*
08:31<devil>!based on debian
08:31<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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08:54<Lover>http://punya-rizal.blogspot.com/
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08:55<ayaka>!tell Lover about offtopic
08:57<DragonDon>Debian doesn't want to complete the deleting of trash. It says it can't delete a particular file but when I look, that file is not there. It's like it lost the updated list of deletable files.
08:57<DragonDon>decided to check the messages log, nothing showing up there.
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08:59<@abrotman>ayaka: he's gone .. you need to turn your joins/parts back on
09:00<ayaka>abrotman I am sorry, I want to save sd life and only reserve useful info
09:02*abrotman wonders why he has a hat
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09:08<juhaj>Can someone help me troubleshoot why Duplex=DuplexNoTumble in /etc/cups/lpoptions (or ~/.cups/lpoptions) has apparently no effect. Likewise, choosing page size to be A4 (be that in lpoptions, lp -o media=A4, or any pdf reader) still results in a letter being sent to the printer.
09:11<movl>did you restart cups?
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09:15<ayaka>ok next question, can lpp work with ssl
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09:21<juhaj>movl: I even reinstalled it
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09:22<juhaj>movl: By the way, is there an easier way of grabbing cups's output to the printer than running wireshark to catch it? =)
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09:27<HiNoSaki>Hi to everybody
09:27<Dmitry>sup?
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09:30<movl>juhaj: that I honestly don't know
09:30<yu>hi
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09:35<movl>to anyone with ops : what does one have to do to report people that ASL you in PMs?
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09:39<ayaka>movl as you like, but it is offtopic question
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09:44<movl>OK; the user is ben10. Your choice, of course.
09:45<ben10>movl!!!!!!!!
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09:46<arand>Wouldn' that be something for #oftc or so?
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09:52<abrotman>ayaka: that isn't offtopic
09:52<abrotman>wtf
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09:52<ayaka>abrotman why?
09:52*abrotman gives up
09:52<ayaka>abrotman don't,give up, and what is wtf
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09:53<ben10>wft mean What the F***
09:53<abrotman>ben10: please don't msg people without permission
09:54<ben10>ok BOSS
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09:55<ayaka>abeotman but th
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09:55<ayaka>sorry
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10:11<ayaka>can lpp work with ssl
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10:44<ayaka>what will be used in /dev is fulled based on udev?
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11:20<ayaka>what will be used in /dev is fulled based on udev?
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11:23<gspr>Am I correct in thinking that an RC script which has "Required-Start: $network" in its header will wait to run after the network device is up and working?
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11:25<DragonDon>has anyone used istanbul to screen capture and not be able to click on the stop button?
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11:32<ompaul>DragonDon: no, but kill -9 would help
11:32<ompaul>or kill the controlling terminal
11:33<gspr>(Ooops, in my question I of course meant "*until* after...")
11:33<DragonDon>ompaul, thanks. Don't know about killing a controlling terminal, it was launched from the gui menu
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11:33<ayaka>or xkill
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12:01<ayaka>what will be used in /dev is fulled based on udev?
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12:07<robo>hi has totem stopped playing h264 videos lately? all i get is sound and no picture.. on a video that used to play ok some time ago.. and plays fine in vlc
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12:08<robo>i am using sid by the way
12:09<movl>robo: maybe there was a recent gstreamer update, check the logs
12:10<sney_>robo, you should have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed if you use sid, so you can just know if something is a transition or a bug
12:10<robo>I do
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12:12<gnugr>robo: check with "dpkg -l | grep 264" what you get
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12:12<movl>gnugr: it used to work, he says
12:14<robo>i'm upgrading ffmpeg libs right now.. that was the only thing that wasn't up to date... as far as i can tell
12:14<gnugr>movl: this is the output "http://paste.kde.org/446228/"
12:15<movl>libx264 is there, so it's good
12:16<robo>hmm... it seems ffmpeg related... i get all sorts of decoding errors when i run totem with GST_DEBUG=2
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12:16<gnugr>robo: did you try with vlc?
12:16<movl>gnugr: look above
12:16<movl>he did
12:17<robo>i basically just wanted to check with you guys whether it is only me or everyone
12:17<smhar>greetings
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12:17<smhar>I got myself a new gift, a dreamplug (http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-5-dreamplugs.aspx), I updated it to debian squeeze, and it is working nicely now. The wifi is working in AP mode, but does not give an IP to clients, what files should I edit for this?
12:17<movl>robo: I don't use totem
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12:19<ayaka>what will be used in /dev is fulled based on udev?
12:20<movl>ayaka: don't repeat yourself, please
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12:20<movl>what is your native language?
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12:20<movl>because your question is hard to understand
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12:21<robo>smhar, is it running dnsmasq?
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12:24<robo>movl, i see....
12:24<robo>anyway, some files play, some don't ... weird.. anyway, as long as i can get them to play in vlc, i dont care that much
12:24<robo>thanks guys
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12:26<EmleyMoor>Where do SDL apps get their notion of keyboard layout from? I've noticed that one, at least, always uses my default, even if I select another one...
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12:30<ayaka>movl i can't get help in chinese and i repeat after 15min
12:31<robo>ayaka, i dont understand the question, can you write more?
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12:32<antonio>http://xdcc_CANCEL_X1332691742
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12:33<ayaka>robo, does udev in charge of showing all the thing in /dev, and how /dev orgenize
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12:34<EmleyMoor>May I try to translate ayaka's question? "Is udev entirely responsible for populating /dev? Also, how is /dev organised?"
12:34<robo>ayaka, yes, udev creates all files in /dev
12:34<ayaka>yep
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12:35<robo>ayaka, it is organized based on udev configuration which is in /etc/udev
12:35<ayaka>so, without it /dev is an empty dirction
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12:36<robo>ayaka, well, in short, yes... but it's not that simple
12:36<ayaka>robo why? don't care devfs
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12:38<robo>ayaka, even before udevd mounts it's stuff over /dev there can be some static files there
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12:38<ayaka>robo i see
12:39<ayaka>robo EmleyMoor thank you
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12:39<ayaka>then next does lpp which used by cups can work with ssl
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12:40<EmleyMoor>Do you mean ipp?
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12:41<ayaka>maybe
12:41<EmleyMoor>I really don't know if you can have ssl on ipp...
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12:42<ayaka>ok
12:42<ayaka>EmleyMoor thank you
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12:43<ayaka>can cups auth based on user not ip
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13:01<bla3ero>do you know where can i find some channels for new users on the Linux community ?
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13:02<bla3ero>;() ?
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13:05<ayaka>here it is
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13:34<Gex0r>Anyone in here that have knowledge about dual-booting debian with Windows 7? My problem is that grub dosn't find Windows in the boot-menu so i can just boot from debian. I'm sure that the windowspartition is intact because i have the windowspartition mounted in debian successfully
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13:40<ayaka>Gex0r update-grub
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13:44<Gex0r>ayaka already tried, dosn't find windows
13:46<ayaka>do you a root
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13:48<Gex0r>yes, it only find a OS on /dev/sda1, my windows partition is on /dev/sda2, but grub dosn't find that
13:48<ayaka>Ger0r please paste the output of it
13:48<Gex0r>ok 2 sec
13:49<sney>Gex0r: make sure os-prober is installed
13:50<ayaka>does ipo support ssl
13:50<Gex0r>http://pastebin.com/0sVL4nAn the loader is not the OS, just an activationloader. The OS os not found
13:50<Gex0r>os-prober is installed
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13:51<sney>Gex0r: that looks like normal output to me. what happens if you try to boot it?
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13:52<Gex0r>sney: well, debian boots up perfectly, but grub dosn't find Windows 7 at all. Windows 7 (loader) is NOT the real OS
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13:54<Gex0r>it seems that grub think i want to search for OS:es on /dev/sda1 when the truth is i wanna search for it on /dev/sda2, but i can't figure out how/where to edit
13:54<sney>I know it isn't the real OS, it's a helper partition, and it loads windows. If you reboot, right now, and select that "windows 7 (loader)" entry in your grub menu, what output does grub give you?
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13:55<Gex0r>sney: i will try, thanks for the tip. I was thinking the loader was the activationpatch that was preinstalled on this computer
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13:55<ayaka>does ipp support ssl, sorry
13:55<Gex0r>but i will try that, and from there i maybe can switch to /dev/sda1 later?
13:56<Gex0r>sorry have to go bbl
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13:57<sney>versions of windows starting with vista need two separate partitions for some reason. I don't know why. /offtopic
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14:36<Gex0r>Now i'm back. I will try to boot from the Loader and see what happens, thank you all for the tips :)
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14:50<anonymous>hi
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14:51<sney>hi
14:51<mindstorm>hi :)
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14:54<anonymous>haker?
14:54<sney>oh dear
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14:55<anonymous>a im new haker)
14:55<anonymous>i im is rus))
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14:58<gspr>Am I correct in thinking that an RC script which has "Required-Start: $network" in its header will wait to run until after the network device is up and working?
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15:01<movl>gspr: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Required-Start:+%24network%22+NIC&oq=%22Required-Start:+%24network%22+NIC&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...18624l19842l1l20363l4l4l0l0l0l0l309l832l0j2j1j1l4l0.frgbld.&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=491868e67a6b366c&biw=1440&bih=759
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15:07<gspr>movl: Ah, sorry, I thought the "Required-Start" stuff was Debian-specific.
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15:08<dmitry_>the hell
15:08<dmitry_>sorry...
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15:09<movl>gspr: from what I 've seen , it does wait for the NIC
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15:09<movl>maybe reading the script will help you
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15:11<gspr>movl: Hmm, OK. My feeling too is that it waits for the NIC. However, I just moved a setup to a new machine, and now there's a service that doesn't start listening to a port on boot anymore. The process starts on boot, but I have to forcibly restart it after boot for it to bind to an address.
15:12<gspr>movl: It has "Required-Start: $network", but the fact that it stopped working after I moved the system to a new machine makes me suspect that on the new one the NIC is slower to come up, or something like that, and the process isn't able to bind to the address in question.
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15:13<gspr>movl: But as you suggest, I would think that the required-start line makes it wait until the NIC is fully up. Hmm!
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15:13<skippy311>any admin/dev on?
15:14<movl>gspr: like I said, reading the script will likely help
15:14<sney>skippy311: sometimes, what's your question
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15:15<skippy311>im just here from opentablets.org wondering if debian had any plans to make something for the vivaldi tablet.
15:15<gspr>movl: Yeah, will do.
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15:16<sney>skippy311: they might know in #debian-arm
15:16<skippy311>thanks, ill head there
15:17<skippy311>btw, what do ya think? would it be cool to see debian create something for the vivaldi tablet?
15:18<smhar>I got myself a new gift, a dreamplug (http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-5-dreamplugs.aspx), I updated it to debian squeeze, and it is working nicely now. The wifi is working in AP mode, but does not give an IP to clients, what files should I edit for this?
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15:20<sney>skippy311: debian doesn't typically make separate releases for specific devices, but sometimes there will be a team or a couple of developers making the standard debian OS install and work on something.
15:21<ghostconn>i just installed ubuntu 11:10, I have a ATI hd 4870 I was just wondering what video driver should I install?... I DON'T want to loose my boot screen tho lol... I really only want to control my fan speed
15:21<sney>!ubuntuirc ghostconn
15:21<dpkg>ghostconn: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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15:22<Gex0r>exit
15:22<skippy311>sney: true, but it seems alot of the open source community is getting behind the vivaldi tablet
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15:23<sney>yeah, it'll be interesting to see what gets added to debian as tablets in general take off
15:24<sney>Debian is supposed to be the "universal OS" so I still doubt there will be a special vivaldi release, though there may be a special installer for a while (the way there was one for the eeepc) or someone may make a debian blend
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15:26<skippy311>well, it would be cool to see debian take off on the mobile end like it is currently :P
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15:37<GreenJim>Hi everybody
15:37<Dmitry>just ask
15:37<GreenJim>I got a small problem to start installing Debian from a USB key
15:37<Dmitry>what problem?
15:38<GreenJim>After the start of the installer, I got the message "no kernel modules found"
15:38<Dmitry>lol
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15:38<sney>did you sync after writing to the usb key?
15:38<GreenJim>Yes, I did.
15:38<sney>which installer are you using?
15:39<GreenJim>The message ends with "probably a mismatch between installer's kernel and archive one"
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15:39<GreenJim>I used the installer coming from sid
15:39<sney>yeah, don't use the weekly installer build unless you just want to test the _installer_
15:40<sney>weekly/daily
15:40<GreenJim>do you think I have to use the weekly one ?
15:40<ompaul>GreenJim: start with stable and then dist-upgrade
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15:40<sney>it has a lot of problems currently. if you want to install testing or sid, first read http://deb.li/sidfaq and then use the stable installer
15:41<ompaul>GreenJim: the installer image is for testing installs (guess you got a bug to file)
15:41<ompaul>assuming you got the usb installed cleanly
15:41<GreenJim>OK, thank you. I will re-try using the stable one and dist-upgrade
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15:42<eldiablo> /msg A-TeAm|CINE|02 xdccsend 140
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15:43<chealer>hi. is Synaptic supposed to be installed by default on desktops?
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15:45<abrotman>chealer: depends which desktops ?
15:45<abrotman>eldiablo: need help ?
15:47<chealer>abrotman: apparently
15:48<chealer>it seems Synaptic is installed by default for GNOME in squeeze, not in wheezy though
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15:48<abrotman>chealer: for whic gnome metapackage?
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15:49<abrotman>chealer: if you use 'gnome', it's a dep, if oyu use gnome-desktop-environment, it is not
15:49<chealer>abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gnome
15:50<abrotman>i can read .. i know how to navigate the site
15:50<chealer>nevermind, I answered my own question.
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15:50<abrotman>as for not installing synatpic by default, sounds like a good thing to me
15:50<abrotman>chealer: also note, aptitude-gtk exists now IIRC
15:50<haotian>the debian installer asks for domain name, what shall I put there ? the domain resolving to my wan ip ? or the local ip of the computer ? or just localhost ?
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15:54<sney>haotian: if it's a home network it doesn't matter
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15:55<haotian>it's a home network but I will install a web server on it sney
15:55<haotian>and is behind a router
15:56<chealer>haotian: that's a good question. I don't know, but neither an IP nor localhost, which is a host name.
15:56<chealer>haotian: in practice though, it indeed doesn't change much AFAIK
15:56<haotian>maybe I need to know what is a local domain, I know the global domain
15:57<haotian>a local domain is ? the thing is hosts file ?
15:57<haotian>127.0.0.1 localhost
15:57<haotian>mydomain localhost
15:57<haotian>like that ?
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16:06<sney>haotian: local domains are normally used when there is an organized internal network, like at a business or in a datacenter etc
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16:07<sney>haotian: if this computer is just being used in your home, it literally makes no difference what you put there, it can be localdomain, fbi.gov, homenetwork, whatever
16:08<haotian>gotcha
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16:08<haotian>I think as long as I dont have a local dns server running it doesn't matter am I right sney ?
16:08<sney>bingo
16:08<sney>or something similar like wins
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16:16<Golfgeo>Hi all
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16:17<sney>hi
16:18<Golfgeo>How can I speed up lamp? :-D Got virtualbox running and split up apache & php5 from mysql... But it seems my apache php5 virtual machine is taking 85% cpu power
16:19<sney>upgrade your hardware
16:19<Golfgeo>And without upgrading the hardware?
16:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 494] by debhelper
16:20<sney>there might be some optimizing mysql/apache howtos around
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16:20<sney>but you won't get huge boosts
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16:20<Golfgeo>k
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16:21<Golfgeo>thought I heard of caching php5 runtime compiled scripts somewhere...
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16:31<chealer>Golfgeo: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP_accelerator
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17:22<houms>i am running wheezy x64 and plasma-widget-networkmanagent. when connecting to a openvpn connection it does not setup the proper routes. when i connect via openvpn command from cli, the routes setup properly. do i file bug against network-manager or plasma-widget-networkmanagment?
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17:29<sney>houms: most likely network-manager since the plasma widget is just a frontend
17:30<houms>thanks sney
17:31<houms>sney, if i may ask, it says my version is out -of-date, and unstable has .9.4 vs .9.2 i currently have installed. should i up grade and retest before filing?
17:32<houms>i checked current bugs against network-manager http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=network-manager and do not see a reference to it
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17:37<sney>probably a good idea
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17:40<grummund>lenny died :-(
17:40<phd>o O
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17:53<jwesleycooper>hello there, I'm trying to install squeeze 6.0.4 ppc on my old iMac G3, but it won't boot from the first disk
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17:54<jwesleycooper>I verified the disk on my openSuSE box, and it's both readable & 100% verified with the image I downloaded
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17:56<jwesleycooper>can't even force it to boot from open firmware ... do I perhaps need to download & use the same flashes that would be required to install OS-X?
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17:59<jwesleycooper> hello there, I'm trying to install squeeze 6.0.4 ppc on my old iMac G3, but it won't boot from the first disk
17:59<jwesleycooper>I verified the disk on my openSuSE box, and it's both readable & 100% verified with the image I downloaded
17:59<jwesleycooper>can't even force it to boot from open firmware ... do I perhaps need to download & use the same flashes that would be required to install OS-X?
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18:01<jwesleycooper>is no one here familliar with the ppc build?
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18:03<jwesleycooper>hello?
18:03<phd>i'm not
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18:04<jwesleycooper>phd: ok ... do you think I'd have better luck in the mailing lists or forums?
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18:07<phd>i think mailing lists
18:07<phd>they helped me better
18:08<dwk>I'm unfamiliar with ppc as well but you might try this: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install
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18:08<dwk>looks like there are two different procedures depending on which G3 you have
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18:14<jwesleycooper>hmm, thx dwk ... not sure though, it's bondi blue colored, but it has a tray, not a slot
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18:20<jwesleycooper>I'll have to send something to the mailing list, thanks for trying to help though :)
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18:22<quentusrex>Does anyone else use byobu? If so are you able to change the escape character? It seems with the new tmux change rather than using screen, byobu is no longer able to change the escape character. At least the change doesn't stick or go into effect.
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18:24<ratnick>What does,'Operation not supported by backend' mean?
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18:24<quentusrex>ratnick, what application is giving you that error message?
18:24<ratnick>floppy media detect or mount
18:26<dwk>Does anyone use ncurses applications like iptraf inside screen, and have the nice box characters turned into ASCII art? Is there a way to fix this? I assume the programs can't detect that the terminal is box-character-capable, but surely screen actually is.
18:26<ratnick>Here's the scenario: I insert a floppy in the drive, open nautilus in dual pane, then drag a file icon to the floppy icon for copy to floppy disk
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18:31<ratnick>dwk: I know only that different terminals have different sets of function properties.
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18:32<dwk>ratnick: yeah, I was hoping there would be an env var or something I could set.
18:33<dwk>ratnick: what kind of file are you trying to copy? Is it ordinary? Because floppies are usually FAT16/FAT32 and don't support all of Linux's file types (e.g. symlinks)
18:33<ratnick>check out sites like debian-administration.org
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18:34<ratnick>the file is a .deb
18:35<ratnick>FAT 12 originally
18:35<dwk>is it mounted readonly or read/write?
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18:36<dwk>i.e. what does "mount" say when you type it at a terminal?
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18:36<ratnick>not sure. The disk is new and probably IBM MS formatted
18:36<ratnick>let me try that
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18:38<ratnick>it returns 11 lines
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18:38<sney>one probably has /dev/fd0 on it
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18:39<ratnick>no fd0
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18:40<sney>anything similar
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18:41<ratnick>sda1,sdb1
18:42<dwk>one of those is probably your hard drive. The other might be the floppy. If you unmount/take the floppy out, does one disappear?
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18:44<ratnick>not now. It did before when I put a floppy in
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18:45<dwk>well, okay. Try "fdisk -l", as root (or sudo), that will show you the partitions and you'll be able to tell which one is the floppy
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18:46<ratnick>Now if I take the fd out and reinsert it, it returns 'no media in drive'
18:46<ratnick>ok
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18:48<ratnick>it returned; sda1, sda2, sda5, and sdb1
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18:49<ratnick>no fd0
18:49<dwk>check out the sizes. In bytes. Floppy will be about 1.4 MB
18:49<dwk>I haven't used a floppy in a long time, I don't know when it's fd0 and when it's not
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18:50<dwk>you might not have floppy support for some reason, esp. if none of the disks looks like the size of a floppy
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18:50<ratnick>sda
18:51<ratnick>sda:80GB, sdb:1999MB
18:51<dwk>a 2MB floppy? you said it might have a weird IBM format?
18:51<ratnick>I agree no support, but icon is present
18:52<ratnick>1.4 IBM formatted
18:52<ratnick>2HD PC
18:53<dwk>ah. sdb is a second hard drive?
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18:55<ratnick>No, only one HDD, One DVD/CD burner, and one floppy drive
18:55<ratnick>Oh, sorrym I forgot the 2GB USB flash drive
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18:56<dwk>right.. 2GB is too big for a floppy anyway
18:56<dwk>just looking up the floppy modules
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18:59<dwk>ratnick: just curious whether running "modprobe floppy" as root/sudo has any effect
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18:59<ratnick>I'll try
19:00<ratnick>nothing, returns system prompt
19:00<grummund>Hi, dpkg says: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" for lenny->squeeze, why not dist-upgrade ?
19:01<ratnick>cd ~
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19:01<abrotman>grummund: did you read the whole factoid ?
19:01<ratnick>just did
19:01<ratnick>modprobe floppy
19:01<grummund>abrotman: yes, did i miss something?
19:01<themill>grummund: yes
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19:01<grummund>hmm, seems i did.
19:02<themill>grummund: you need to upgrade kernel and udev in the right way to successfully complete the upgrade
19:02<dwk>ratnick: shouldn't output anything if successful
19:03<dwk>ratnick: but try the GUI floppy icon now
19:03<ratnick>at: ~# modprobe floppy nothiing
19:03<ratnick>ok
19:03<grummund>how about debian hosted on a VPS? can't touch the kernel there.
19:04<ratnick>'no media in drive' with disk in
19:04<themill>grummund: what's the output of "uname -a" on the VPS?
19:05<dwk>ratnick: hmph, sounds like it got messed up somehow because you took the disk out.. was a different error message before
19:05<ratnick>Unable to Mount now
19:05<grummund>themill: Linux myvps 2.6.18-6-pve #1 SMP Mon May 9 13:27:11 CEST 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
19:05<dwk>ratnick: just curious: what does "ls /dev/fd*" say?
19:05<ratnick>a mount command?
19:06<themill>grummund: squeeze's udev won't be happy on that machine. You can probably get away with keeping lenny's udev on there
19:06<ratnick>/dev/fd0
19:06<ratnick>/dev/fd:
19:06<ratnick>0 1 2 3
19:06<dwk>ratnick: "mkdir -p /mnt/floppy" and then "mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy"
19:07<dwk>oh!
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19:07<dwk>use 3
19:07<dwk>always use the latest, the earlier ones are stale
19:07<abrotman>uh what?
19:07<grummund>themill: what would be the difference, and how would one tell post-upgrade ?
19:07<dwk>that's why the GUI says there is no disk it's using the earlier ones, probably fd0
19:08<dwk>so: mount /dev/fd3 /mnt/floppy
19:08<ratnick>mkdir: cannot create directory `/dev/fd0': File exists
19:08<themill>grummund: if memory serves me right, the udev package will simply fail to install
19:09<abrotman>dwk: he doesn't have a /dev/fd3
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19:10<dwk>abrotman: oh, you're right, misinterpreted it. I guess /dev/fd is a directory
19:11<ratnick>yes
19:11<dwk>the mkdir is to create a directory to mount to. don't pass the /dev/... thing to there
19:11<dwk>and try fd0 ... "mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy" ... after all
19:11<ratnick>here's: /dev/fd# ls -l
19:11<ratnick>total 0
19:11<ratnick>lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Mar 25 18:37 0 -> /dev/pts/3
19:11<ratnick>lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Mar 25 18:37 1 -> /dev/pts/3
19:11<ratnick>lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Mar 25 18:37 2 -> /dev/pts/3
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19:22<haotian>is xfs extension good for using on 3-4 partitions ?
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19:24<haotian>and what's the security issue that people put /tmp on a separate partition
19:26<abrotman>haotian: WRONG CHANNEL
19:26<abrotman>darn it
19:26<abrotman>abrotman: WRONG CHANNEL
19:26*abrotman shames himself
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19:29<sawgust>eaee macacadaa
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19:37<abrotman>haotian: ti's not about the number of partitions ,it's about the data on those partitions
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19:39<haotian>so, ext3 is good for small data while xfs is good for bigger data ? abrotman
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19:40<abrotman>haotian: i didn't say that .. there are plenty of benchmarks on the internet, ask google
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19:57<fwiss>Hi, guys. Installed Squeeze and used sources.list to change to wheezy. The wiki was ambiguous in this part. Should I disable squeeze-updates and security?
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19:59<fwiss>basically all I did was change the first two lines to wheezy's.
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20:00<fwiss>I guess this is for wheezy, but help would be welcome
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20:13<haotian><haotian> I googled and it said, xfs on /boot is pretty fast, then I googled to make sure it doesn't conflict with dualbooting with windows and here is the link it says something (explaining my question) but I don't get it exactly. Can you check the first message of the link and tell me the answer whether if I will succeed or fail. Link : http://oss.sgi.com/archives/xfs/2003-06/msg00744.html
20:13<haotian><haotian> My partitions : http://ideone.com/fDRVk
20:13<haotian><haotian> I will do the partitions first, then install windows, then install debian, the update grub, then install os-probe, then pray it dualboots
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20:24<heikkila>haotian, you can only have 4 primary partitions per harddrive, if you want more than 4 then you can only have 3 primary and 1 extended which can contain logical partitions
20:25<dondelelcaro>unless you're using something other than msdos partition tables
20:26<haotian>well I will fix that but what about the original question
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20:34<[HaldriK]>hello
20:35<sney_>hi
20:35<[HaldriK]>we need an OP on #debian-es, we have a troll
20:35<sney_>use the command !ops i guess
20:36<sney_>or go to #oftc and get them removed from the network
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20:38<Lover>http://punya-rizal.blogspot.com/
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21:43<DragonDon>trying a bunch of prograbs to capture my screen, ffmpeg is the one that just worked without thinking bout it....
21:43<DragonDon>Oh, Greetings all
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21:44<DragonDon>um, my bad, wrong channel, technically :)
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21:57<mattwimpelberg>can anyone help me out with samba>
21:57<mattwimpelberg>?
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22:17<roughnecks>!ask
22:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:51<Guest7715>hi
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22:56<law___>hi. is there a mirror that hosts lenny?
22:56<Omen->So. I went to download the Debian DVD iso torrent and it list DVD1 - 8. Is the Debian install really that large?
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22:57<nevyn>nope
22:57<nevyn>Omen-: do you just want to install a machine?
22:57<Lover>punya-rizal.blogspot.com
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22:57<Omen->nevyn, I just want to install to my laptop.
22:57<nevyn>Omen-: so the reccommeded way to install a machine is using a netinst cd.
22:57<Omen->Ok.
22:57<nevyn>the dvd's contain all binaries and all source of the distribution
22:58<nevyn>you can't install all the binaries of the distribuiton (as stuff conflicts with each other)
22:58<Omen->Does the netinstall let me pick and choose exactly what I do and do not want installed?
22:58<nevyn>yep
22:58<Omen->Ok. that's good.
22:58<nevyn>and it drags it in dynamically over the net
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23:00<Omen->I figured I would put Debian on my laptop since I want things to "just work". I don't want to have to trace down bugs all the time like I currently am.
23:01<nevyn>what are you running currently?
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23:05<Omen->I've been using Fedora since F9. I held off going from 14 for the longest time to avoid Gnome3 until it was a bit more finished. Unfortunately they discontinued all support for F14 so I had no alternative but to install F16. After about a week after a clean install of that I was continually having things not work right. Objects in the menus refuse to work shortly after logging in. I would lose the ability to play any local sounds on the computer other than out
23:05<Omen->of my browser, I couldn't play any video files I had on the drive.
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23:06<Omen->Things only worked intermittently for about an hour after logging in after doing all my updates. I just want clean, trouble free stability.
23:08<Omen->I have a strong understanding and feel for Redhat based linux distros. I've been using CentOS 4, 5 then 6 on my servers. I want to try something new and different for a change. That's why I've decided to use Debian.
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23:54<mehedi>how to fix " package dependencies could not be resolved'' while installing vlc player from software center?
23:55<mehedi>hi
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