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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-03-27

---Logopened Tue Mar 27 00:00:19 2012
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00:15<samantha-r->why in vuze are all my torrents maxing out at 437b/sec download speed, when my throttle is set to 4000k/sec (well in excess of my bandwidth limit)?
00:20<samantha-r->we're talking a total of < 10k/sec here, only 16 torrents
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00:50<brando753>anyone know how I can get Citrix client to run on wheezy
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00:56<Infiltrator>brando753: Is there a Linux version of it? What's the problem you're getting?
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00:57<brando753>dependency problems, it worked in ubuntu though its always required a lot of tinkering I was wondering if there was a guide
00:57<Infiltrator>samantha-r-: Could be a network or torrent issue? Is is _exactly_ 437b/sec?
00:57<Infiltrator>brando753: Which depedencies are unmet?
00:58<samantha-r->Infiltrator, according to the reporting. however, i've moved everything to my seedbox so whatever it was, it's not a problem now.
00:58<brando753>That seems like something worth knowing
00:58<brando753>It installed this time
00:58<brando753>I dont even know
00:59<Infiltrator>Yeah, I've had so many "omg it doesn't work! works now >.>" moments too. :P
00:59<Infiltrator>Having one just now, too, I think. :P
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01:22<brando753>I got citrix to work in wheezy :P
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01:22<brando753>though I dont know why it works know
01:22*brando753 scratches his head
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01:23<brando753>Im so confused
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01:25<Infiltrator>brando753: Works is works, right? For whatever reason it decided to install the dependencies this time.
01:26<brando753>I guess. I fell like there is a lot of hidden voodoo going on
01:26<brando753>Its going to take me a while to get used to debian from ubuntu
01:26*Infiltrator hides the voodo doll behind back.
01:26<brando753>but I am glad im taking this move
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01:27<Infiltrator>Well, good luck. :P
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01:28<kornerr>can I install 32-bit packages on 64-bit debian?
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01:28<kornerr>to compile 32-bit app on 64-bit Debian?
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01:31<brando753>Im just trying to get a local install of LAMP on wheezy for my development server though Im running into some problems any good guides?
01:31<samantha-r->brando, no. depends on the problem.
01:32<brando753>I just have not found a good fuide for wheezy
01:32<brando753>the ones for squeeze dont seem to work
01:32<brando753>missing packages and all
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02:32<del>eeeeeeeeeeeeee antonio
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02:33<del>ke aces puliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
02:33<antonio>diselo a tos
02:33<antonio>k se metan
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02:35<CrEaTiVe>puli sas?
02:36<CrEaTiVe>soy dani x
02:36<antonio>quier eres? jajaj
02:36<antonio>ah ok
02:36<del>quien es CrEaTive
02:37<CrEaTiVe>y emilio?
02:37<antonio>quien es xD
02:37<CrEaTiVe>del kien es
02:37<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
02:37<del> del soy yo luis
02:37<antonio>ah ok
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02:38<del>y ernestokien es
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02:38<del>y fabrianchi
02:39<CrEaTiVe>gente de x ai coño
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02:40<del>ke dice
02:40<antonio>darle a:
02:40<antonio>join a channel
02:40<antonio>y poneis jaen
02:40<antonio>al lado del #
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04:32<intore>hi, could you explain me how to set write/read/exe permissions to a process?
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04:34<intore>i mean, i want that a process can enter in a directory and in some files
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04:34<intore>to write, to execute, to read
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04:43<afuentes>I want to use the postcat program from postfix package, but i dont want to install postfix package... and replace my current exim4. Is there a way to use a package without installing it?
04:43<afuentes>is it weird what im asking for?
04:44<afuentes>i did apt-get download postfix and then dpkg -x postfix.deb but the dependencies are missing to execute postcat
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04:44<petemc>afuentes: why not use exim utilities?
04:45<afuentes>anyway to automate this unpackage it?
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04:45<petemc>i mean exipick, not exiwhat
04:45<petemc>exim -Mrb will show message body
04:45<petemc>Mvb, even
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04:46*petemc needs tea
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04:47<afuentes>oh, i didnt know about exim execs ^^
04:47<afuentes>gonna check them out
04:48<petemc>man exim, also exi<tab><tab>
04:49<Myon>afuentes: for the other question, you need to manually install the deps
04:49<afuentes>Myon, oh :( meh, too much work...
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04:49<afuentes>ill do it on the server where i have installed postcat
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04:50<afuentes>im hunting down the source of some spam within the messages on the queues in zimbra
04:50<afuentes>and using postcat to view the headers of the mails
04:50<petemc>exim -Mvh
04:50<petemc>if they're in the queue
04:51<petemc>i cant imagine postcat would understand exims queue format
04:51<afuentes>in the server i have installed postfix :) i just downloaded the bulk to my comp to read them here
04:51<afuentes>but ill just do it on the server
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05:09<benjr>i would like to build a home file server and am wondering how powerful a cpu will i need? im not very adept at linux commandline so id need to run a simple DE like xfce
05:10<benjr>could i get by with an itx board with integrated atom cpu?
05:12<bones_was_here>samba can use a chunk of cpu if you have a bunch of windows clients
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05:12<bones_was_here>nfs doesnt use much at just 1gbps
05:12<benjr>ah all my other workstations are debian, i was hoping to use nfs
05:13<bones_was_here>the speed of the NIC and its bus and the disk io would probably be your main speed limits
05:14<benjr>most of the time it would be streaming files to my media pc, 6-8gb mkv's
05:15<benjr>im not sure how last a transfer rate you need for that, perhaps even 100mb could do that
05:15<bones_was_here>yeah even 1080p plays fine over a solid 100
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05:17<benjr>my drives are WD greens, so theyre not that fast, do you think those with an atom CPU and any integrated gig NIC would do?
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05:17<bones_was_here>well they will still benefit from 1000mbps significantly
05:17<bones_was_here>100 is only 12.5mb/s max
05:17<bones_was_here>for anything where you have to wait for a transfer
05:18<bones_was_here>even just two of those drives in raid 0 will easily saturate a 1000mbps in sequential read
05:18<benjr>id need a GUI on it too since im not confident in my commandline abilities
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05:20<bones_was_here>well you can use a gui, but for some aspects of the setup a terminal command will be unavoidable or most practical
05:20<jm_>I forgot how fast netperf goes on my atom board, it can do 40-50MB/s with disk included
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05:21<benjr>i dont expect many large file transfers, i plan to download to it's directories via nfs and my intrnet speed won't even get to 5mb/s
05:21<bones_was_here>a basic nfs setup which assumes the network is private and trusts hosts not to ip spoof is quite easy
05:21<bones_was_here>you need to edit one file and restart a service :p
05:23<bones_was_here>but to use it over the internet without a vpn requires a kerberos setup, which will take some time to learn and involves a whole bunch of cli
05:23<benjr>i had a file server with nfs setup using my old desktop not long ago, but it was only a temporary solution it was a core2duo, since im buying new this time im not getting anything that powerful
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05:24<benjr>yea from memory i used edited 1 config file on on the file server, and then my fstab on the workstation, was surprising simple
05:24<benjr>i just edited*
05:25<benjr>so even the atom will handle a gui like xfce?
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05:26<benjr>none of the itx boards i see how many stat ports, so im thinking ill have to grab a pcie card with more satas, how will linux handel that?
05:26<bones_was_here>if theres opengl2 support, kde 4 or gnome 3 should work decently, but xfce is faster
05:26<benjr>have many*
05:26<chitchat>Can somebody please help me fix my repository list? It seems like some repositories have moved or have been removed. Not sure what to do
05:27<bones_was_here>most decent sata/raid controllers will be supported by the stock kernel
05:27<bones_was_here>if you google the model and linux its usually easy to find out
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05:28<benjr>bones_was_here, ah so its not transparently handled at the bios level, linux actually needs to support that card?
05:29<bones_was_here>yes, also you should not use bios emulation for sata hardware, it makes performance much worse and sometimes the emulation has bugs
05:29<jm_>for BIOS RAID you'd need to use dmraid, but it's better to use software raid then
05:29<Aurelien>Hello, can you provide me a way to reach packagings gurus ? (mailings lists, irc, newsgroups ?)
05:29<bones_was_here>its best to put all the controllers in their native sata or AHCI mode
05:30<capriott>BTW looks down at this time.
05:31<benjr>jm_, i wish i was raiding, i cant afford enough drives for any redundancy.
05:31<DragonDon>which log file can I check if vnc doesn't connect? Could use more details than "connection to host was closed"
05:31<DragonDon>Messages doens't say anything. IS there a log file for this type?
05:32<EmleyMoor>I get this appearing in my .xsession-errors, generated by both iceweasel and icedove: Bonobo-WARNING **: Bonobo must be initialized before use - how do I deal with it?
05:33<bones_was_here>benjr: if you can afford 3 you can get started with redundant raid :) linux allows you to online upgrade your raid with more disks, though it requires some cli-fu, takes some hours and has a few limitations
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05:33<bones_was_here>two in raid 1 provides redundancy, but can't be upgraded
05:34*EmleyMoor has four disks operating in raid6 - and has already had his bacon saved by it
05:35<benjr>i though a decent raid was a minimum 5 drives
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05:35*benjr has never had a raid
05:35<jm_>well 2 for raid 1 ...
05:35<EmleyMoor>benjr: You don't need five drives. raid5 will work with 3, raid6 with 4... raid10 (Linux only) with 3...
05:35<bones_was_here>3 is the minimum for raid5, which tolerates 1 disk failure and has capacity of (n-1)*capacity
05:36<bones_was_here>a linux raid5 can be upgraded with more disks, or even to bigger disks with some effort, can also be upgraded to raid6 (tolerates 2 failures)
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05:37<benjr>ive got 2 full drives already (ext4), if i bought a 3rd could i make them a part of a raid without having to move the data off first?
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05:37<EmleyMoor>benjr: Not easily, if at all...
05:37<bones_was_here>you can usually raid1 them for redudancy, but a parity raid (5,6) is a full format
05:38<benjr>i dont have anywhere to store all the data if i needed to back move it off, so id have to buy 3 new drives
05:39*EmleyMoor used to use a single disk, plain partitioning, but planned raid and lvm as part of a major upgrade.
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05:39<bones_was_here>it is possible to create a degraded raid5 with 2 disks, then copy data from a third onto the first two, then add the third to the array... but that's a fiddly and somewhat risky process if it's your only copy of the data
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05:39<benjr_>perhaps i should make sure the pcie card has raid support, so atleast the option is open to me later
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05:40<bones_was_here>linux raid doesn't need raid support on the controller
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05:40<bones_was_here>it works with any controller it supports
05:40<bones_was_here>which allows you to have a raid that includes disks on several different controllers, including the onboard
05:41<bones_was_here>hardware raid is isolated to the controller
05:41<bones_was_here>and usually can't be moved to a different model of controller
05:41<benjr_>ah so if i use linux software based raid i could have some bards onboard and some off the pcie card, plus move them to complete different box if i upgrade later?
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05:42<benjr_>some drives*
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05:42<benjr_>for some reason i always thought hardware raid was better then software, this seems to prove otherwise
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05:43<bones_was_here>software raid uses the cpu, it used to suck because a) cpu's were slow and b) there weren't any good software raid implementations
05:43<bones_was_here>but now, even low end or laptop cpu's are more powerful than the ones on affordable raid controllers, and linux has awesome raid capability :)
05:43<EmleyMoor>Real hardware RAID isn't bad, but "fake RAID" as on motherboards is terrible.
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05:44<Maulkin>And you'd better get some spare raid controllers of exactly the same type in case they go pop.
05:44<benjr_>bones_was_here, so again even those integrated atoms will cope with ti fine?
05:44<bones_was_here>some real hardware raid is quite terrible, to the point that disabling the controller's raid and using linux to raid the individual disks yields double or better performance
05:44<Maulkin>And a spare motherboard/cpu/memory in case those go pop and you can't put the controller in another board anymnore.
05:45<EmleyMoor>Linux RAID is great for compatibility
05:45<benjr_>Maulkin, some raid cards require specifc mobo/cpu, not just anything with pcie?
05:45<bones_was_here>benjr: if it's dual core, yes it will cope well enough to max out a 1000mbps cable if the disks are keeping up :)
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05:45<Maulkin>benjr_: the issue is (for example) what happens when you can't get pci-e anymore :)
05:46<Maulkin>Similar to when pci-64 went away.
05:46<bones_was_here>yeah regular pci (and especially pci-x) are hard to find now
05:46<benjr_>ah i see, i got some apg video cards in the garage lol
05:46<Maulkin>But with software raid, you can at least get your data off again.
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05:47<bones_was_here>at least until sata is obsoleted :p
05:47<benjr_>bones_was_here, you said i can mix drive make/model/sizes with software too?
05:47<bones_was_here>benjr_: yes, but the array size is limited by the smallest disk
05:47<EmleyMoor>benjr_: If you are really clever, you can allocate space to differend RAID types on the same disks
05:47<bones_was_here>if you raid5 three 500gb and later add a 1tb, half of the 1tb won't be in the array (though you could format it as a separate volume)
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05:48<bones_was_here>EmleyMoor: as long as he doesn't do something performance killing like put two volumes of a raid on one disk :p
05:48<benjr_>ive got 2* 3tb and a 1.5tb atm, once i can afford more 3tb's i guess ill retire that 1.5tb then
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05:49<EmleyMoor>I have a small RAID1 for /boot, a large RAID6 for most stuff, LVM'd, and a linear made from a RAID0 and a larger single partition used as a scratch area (need the space, don't need the safety)
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05:49<bones_was_here>benjr_: use it to back up your most important stuff, raid only protects against a disk failure!
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05:50<bones_was_here>ideally in a different pc
05:50<benjr_>bones_was_here, what other kind of failure could cause me to loose data if not a hardware failure?
05:50<EmleyMoor>You still need backups - I have three 1TB external drives.
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05:50<EmleyMoor>benjr_: A user error, or a software bug...
05:51<benjr_>isnt the raid itself like a backup?
05:51<themill>(I've had that many external drives fail in the last year)
05:51<bones_was_here>benjr_: many accidental commands, the most obvious is rm -rf / which will also wipe out any backup volume you happen to have mounted...
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05:51<EmleyMoor>I use a different disk for backup each week, and keep one in another house a few miles away
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05:52<benjr_>are you talking about your home setup some a business?
05:52<bones_was_here>or you could have a failure in the raid, for example if two of the sata cables are bad and die at the same tim in a raid5, you might have to bugger around for some time to get the raid to work again (technically, losing two disks is a failure and all data is lost)
05:52<benjr_>or a*
05:52<EmleyMoor>benjr_: This is a large home setup - 4 systems, 2 with RAIDs
05:53<benjr_>ive never done backups, always taken the risk, i thought if i raided that would be the end of it
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05:54<bones_was_here>i would suggest multiplying the number of hours it would take you to recover your data by the amount you could get paid by working those hours, and see if it's more than enough disk for one backup copy in a different machine costs ;)
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05:55<EmleyMoor>flexbackup is a good backup system
05:55<bones_was_here>if its all just tv shows, quite possibly not worth backing up
05:56<benjr_>its mostly tvshows/movies/music, it takes me about 2-3months to full a 3tb drive (speeds arent great here), but an extra 3tb drive is certainly a lot less then 2-3months wages
05:56<bones_was_here>if your phd thesis is on there, i'd be putting a copy in the car, giving one to my friend, etc :P
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05:57<bones_was_here>well if its just torrenting i imagine it wouldnt take 2-3 months of actual work, just waiting :p
05:58<benjr_>my personal irreplaceable data would be about 500gb i guess, i guess i should backup that
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06:01<benjr_>bones_was_here, so ive ascertained that atom cpu is fine, any intergrated gig NIC will keep up with 1080p streaming, google my sata card for compatibility, what about ram? should i have as much ram as it woudl take to hold the whole file i might be streaming?
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06:01<valdyn>benjr_: youre very lucky, i break 1/10 disks per 1-2 years
06:02<EmleyMoor>I've lost more disks than anything else, but only one on this system since built... hence one of them being a different size.
06:02<bones_was_here>benjr_: you don't need that much ram, but linux will cache files quite aggressively if there's lots of ram free, so if you want to access certain files repeatedly some might help
06:02<benjr_>valdyn, only drives ive evre had break on me were a couple of seagate 500gb, ive heard a lot of other had issues with them too, maybe was a bad batch
06:03<valdyn>benjr_: they all break sooner or later
06:03<EmleyMoor>Optical drives have been the other big cause of problems for me... but, as I say, moving parts are less reliable.
06:03<bones_was_here>i pretty much consider hard disks to be a consumable part, they mechanically wear and there's no telling which batch is bad and will fail years too early (but still out of warranty)
06:03<benjr_>valdyn, i guess ive already upgraded before theyve gotten old
06:03<valdyn>benjr_: probably
06:04<bones_was_here>before the factory flooding pooned the pricing, regular sata disks were cheap enough to be consumables too
06:04<EmleyMoor>I've got old disks still around, but some newer ones have had to be scrapped
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06:05<bones_was_here>yeah i still have a celeron 1000mhz laptop from about 2001 running, its disk is doing fine 24/7 :p
06:05<benjr_>i put some old pc parts in a time capsule when i was younger, including a 60mb hdd, i wonder if it would still work consider its be unused
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06:06<bones_was_here>my pentium 1 still worked last i heard (2009ish)
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06:08<benjr_>i could be wrong but i get the impression that over the years pc's in general have become more commodity, cheaper parts, lowered manufacturing costs, and result in shorter life expectancy, hence older stuff lasts longer
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06:09<valdyn>i wouldnt know how to tell
06:09<valdyn>stuff is usually replaced before its > 10 years
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06:15<bones_was_here>but it often fails before its replaced :(
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06:25<ayaka>about tcpwrapper, The most important problem is that the service is used only for certain kinds of services. does it mean tcp wrapper only support service which use its lib
06:26<chitchat>capriott: Thanks for the pointer. It says that I should update from lenny to squeeze. Is there a way to do that without reinstalling?
06:26<valdyn>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
06:26<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
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06:29<jm_>ayaka: yes, but some other tools also use it - inetd etc.
06:30<chitchat>valdyn: "changing lenny to squeeze" - does that mean s/lenny/squeeze/g through source.list?
06:31<valdyn>chitchat: yes
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06:34<chitchat>valdyn: I also have in there. I expect that's the eeepc-specific hotkey and acpi stuff. Any ideas?
06:35<valdyn>chitcha NXDOMAIN
06:35<valdyn>chitchat: NXDOMAIN
06:36<benjr_>bit off topic, can i plug a pcie 1x/4x into a 16x slot?
06:36<heikkila>chitchat, squeeze has better support for eeepc
06:37<chitchat>heikkila and valdyn: Thanks, I just commented it out
06:37<ayaka>jm_ i now , so if service support xinetd, tcp wrapper can support which
06:37<deansu>benjr_: you should be able to, yes
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06:40<SynrG>chitchat: remove. it's obsolete (see channel topic, #debian-eeepc)
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06:41<SynrG>chitchat: it hasn't been relevant since lenny, which is now EOL
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06:41<SynrG>oh, i see they've counseled you to upgrade
06:41<fred_>hello everyone
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06:42<fred_>i need help concerning empythy and squeeze
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06:43<fred_>so, i dont know what to put into server field
06:43<fred_>whats that?
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06:45<chitchat>SynrG: Thanks. Just trying to wrap my head around the changes and upgrade to squeeze
06:46<SynrG>chitchat: which model of eeepc, incidentally?
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06:47<heikkila>fred__, I guess it depends on what kind of account you are editing, msn or jabber for instance...
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06:53<chitchat>SynrG: I have a 901. Old, I know, but I love it
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07:07<dvector>Привет всем
07:07<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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07:19<SynrG>chitchat: you'll want to read about the changes on the wiki then
07:19<ayaka>jm_ thank you
07:19<chitchat>SynrG: Thank you
07:20<SynrG>chitchat: sec, let me get you the exact URL ...
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07:20<ayaka>i can't understnad the relationship between inetd and tcp wrapper
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07:23<SynrG>chitchat: paying particular attention to 2.6.32
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07:23<haotian>woot ! Debian is smart, I was going to install grub to mbr, however debian didn't even bother me with that, as it did ask me actually "Do you want grub to be installed on MBR ?" and I just said yes with a pleasure (:
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07:25<SynrG>chitchat: it may be that some of the issues listed there are patched in later revisions of 2.6.32. i don't know. the page has not been maintained very well since squeeze installs started being mostly trouble-free
07:25<jm_>ayaka: no worries
07:25<meyote>Whee, just changed to Debian from Windows 7. Seems nice :)
07:25<meyote>Still a bit confused about the differences between those two
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07:25<meyote>But seems nice :)
07:26<SynrG>meyote: nice. any problem in particular you would like to address?
07:26<lconde>I have a question
07:26<meyote>nvidia drivers, should I install from repositories or download from nvidia
07:26<SynrG>meyote: is this your introduction to linux, or just debian in particular?
07:26<meyote>Just to Debian
07:26<DragonDon>gvncviewer Can't connect to a win7starter (firewall turned off)
07:27<jm_>meyote: debian packages, there;s a newer version in backports
07:27<DragonDon>kinda lost for troubelshooting....
07:28<SynrG>DragonDon: what is a win7starter?
07:28<movl>edition, I guess
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07:29<DragonDon>windows 7 starter, has the VNC server running on it.
07:29<SynrG>DragonDon: so i take it you're using vnc4 as the server?
07:29<DragonDon>want to see where the hold up is, debian or windows
07:29<SynrG>did you check the vnc server logs on the windows box?
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07:30<SynrG>the log you pasted is very uninformative about the problem :/
07:30<lconde>Is something happen with oficial debian repositories?
07:30<DragonDon>the paste is the debug output from gvncviewer
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07:31<SynrG>lconde: some issue was reported yesterday. try a different mirror.
07:31<lconde>ok thank you
07:31<haotian>Runned debian for first time and my screen isn't centered, it's position is a little rightwards, how can I fix it ?
07:31<lconde>i have a test
07:31<SynrG>lconde: is on round-robin DNS. it appears one of the mirrors is bad but has not been taken out of rotation
07:31<SynrG>lconde: so find a good mirror and use that specific mirror instead of the round-robin one
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07:32<SynrG>haotian: that's your monitor's fault. find its menu button and auto-adjust
07:33<SynrG>haotian: debian likely uses slightly different video modes than your usual OS
07:33<haotian>though monitor was working okay with windows
07:33<lconde>this is my sources.list
07:33<lconde>deb lenny main non-free contrib
07:33<lconde>deb lenny/updates main non-free contrib
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07:34<SynrG>haotian: the monitor remembers different settings per video mode, which is why you see different results between OSes using different modes
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07:35<SynrG>on very ancient monitors there is only one set of settings and sadly you need to manually adjust each time you switch (but i mean *really* ancient)
07:35<DragonDon>windows logs only shows 'unable to connect session(5)"
07:35<DragonDon>someone posted that 'realVNC' doens't work on 7....gonna try tightVNC
07:35<SynrG>lconde: ah. this is for a different reason. see channel topic
07:36<SynrG>lconde: lenny has reached end of life. do as the topic suggests and msg the bot for instructions for upgrading
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07:38<lconde>thank you, but, what repository can i use?
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07:38<SynrG>lconde: did you do as I told you?
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07:39<SynrG>lconde: lenny is no longer being updated. there is no repository you can use. you need to upgrade to squeeze. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
07:39<themill>(well, "/msg dpkg lenny sources.list", but yes, you should upgrade)
07:39<lconde>and with archive? is possible?
07:40<SynrG>no. the archive is not updated.
07:40<SynrG>it is pointless to point at the archive
07:40<SynrG>(no pun intended)
07:41<themill>SynrG: if you to (for some reason) continue to run lenny and wanted to install a package you didn't currently have installed then you can point apt at archive.d.o; it's just that you should be upgrading instead.
07:41<DragonDon>well, that didn't change anything....I'm willing to bet M$ broke something in W7Starter on purpose again....
07:41<SynrG>true. but that puts you at risk
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07:41<SynrG>and it pretty much wrecks your chance of getting support here
07:41<SynrG>as we'll just urge you to upgrade when you run into problems
07:41<themill>SynrG: depends on what it is you're doing... I deboostrapped woody of archive.d.o a couple of months ago so that I could get an older gcc to compile something :S
07:42<haotian>I se the ipv4 network configuration manually however it didn't connect over eth0 , what might be the reason, the domain resolving editbox was empty
07:42<haotian>I set the ip, netmask, global dns (google public dns)
07:42<lconde>ok ok yes i know i have to upgrade but i want to install a package in a lenny machine... so can i do with archive as you write?
07:42<SynrG>themill: an exercise in forensics, or what?
07:42<SynrG>lconde: yes, as themill indicated. but i would caution that it puts you in a bad situation for support.
07:43<SynrG>DragonDon: consider using rdp instead.
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07:44<lconde>ok ok SynrG i know i am upgrading.... i'm going to make some proof... so thank u very much!!!
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07:45<SynrG>lconde: good. good luck. and we're here to help if you get stuck
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07:46<lconde>thank you king
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07:46<SynrG>haotian: what is this "domain resolving editbox"? i'm not sure what tool you're using to set up your network
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07:48<haotian>The editbox says : "Search Domains"
07:48<ayaka>ok next question, can i config cups web authing based on passwd
07:48<haotian>hint : Domain used when resolving host names.
07:49<OdyX>ayaka: only normal users within the lpadmin group can have access. So yes, you can, somehow.
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07:52<meyote>after installing the new drivers I can't setup multiple monitors anymore :o
07:52<SynrG>haotian: i still don't know what you're doing. sorry, i've never used a GUI to configure debian networking. i need more details. do you use gnome? what command do you type or menu entry do you select to get there?
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07:53<SynrG>"search domains" is not important except for resolving unqualified hostnames. if you suspect a DNS problem it is likely your /etc/resolv.conf does not point at a valid nameserver (or at any nameserver at all)
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07:54<SynrG>meyote: please indicate the output of 'xrandr'. use to paste the results and report the URL used here
07:55<haotian>SynrG :: gnome, right click on network icon on system tray select edit connections
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07:56<haotian>choose wired tab select edit eth0
07:56<haotian>go to ipv4 setting and change method from dhcp to manual
07:56<haotian>fix the ip to some static ip
07:56<ayaka>OdyX no, i means web visit it don't paased just ip
07:56<haotian>put the google dns put the /24 hostmask put the gateway
07:56<haotian>and didnt work
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07:57<meyote>And seems like the nvidia-glx package had an older kernel as depency. GDM won't start with my old kernel
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07:57<SynrG>haotian: thanks. that's a sufficient level of detail. after doing that, is there an /etc/resolv.conf with the nameserver in it?
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07:59<SynrG>meyote: that's with both monitors attached, right?
07:59<haotian>how to run terminal with hotkeys (besides the ctrl alt f1 f2 f3, they are too guru-ish)
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07:59<meyote>SynrG, yeah, 22" PB and 28" Samsung
07:59<SynrG>it should be showing both :p
07:59<meyote>Worked fine before installing the nvidia drivers
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07:59<SynrG>using nvidia drivers from backports?
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08:00<SynrG>it was suggested earlier you use backports (and presumably a more recent kernel from backports, too)
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08:00<meyote>hmm, and thats why it went wrong :|
08:00<jm_>are you sure it's actually using nvidia driver?
08:00<SynrG>that, too. what's in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
08:02<haotian>and please highlight me when you are talking to me (:
08:02<haotian>There is no resolv.conf under /etc
08:02<haotian>how to run terminal with hotkeys (besides the ctrl alt f1 f2 f3, they are too guru-ish)
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08:03<meyote>I didn't install the drivers from backports. I just reinstalled and thought I still had them in my repo list
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08:05<SynrG>haotian: Accessories -> Terminal or something like that
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08:05<SynrG>haotian: as for a hotkey to start it in gnome, i don't know if there's some default key binding. you could always make one to invoke gnome-terminal
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08:06<SynrG>meyote: backports are never installed unless you request them, even when listed in your repos
08:06<SynrG>meyote: as per documentation at
08:07<haotian>bash uses tab completion right ? I did resolv [tab], so there is no resolv.conf
08:08<ayaka>OdyX thank you
08:08<SynrG>haotian: i would say it's network-manager's responsibility to create /etc/resolv.conf with whatever nameserver you specified in your configuration. why it fails to do this, i don't know.
08:08<SynrG>as i said, i do not use a gui to configure my networks :/
08:08<SynrG>someone else more familiar with network-manager here may be able to help
08:08<meyote>SynrG, but backports shows up in synaptic
08:08<haotian>thx mmm might be white space issue
08:08<haotian>I did this way :
08:08<haotian>there is one white space
08:09<SynrG>meyote: yes ... did you not read what i said? you need to specifically request it when you install the package as documented at see
08:10<haotian>SynrG :: yes ! works
08:11<haotian>I had a very little experience with fedora (had also gnome), been 1 year I had no use of linux
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08:11<haotian>Just installed debian and so happy (:
08:12<mjk>haotian: Yaaaayy! :-)
08:12<SynrG>congrats :)
08:12<haotian>how can I update grub
08:12<haotian>and how can I download os-probe
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08:12<haotian>in fedora it was yum <package name>
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08:13<SynrG>haotian: in a default debian install, i think os-prober is installed. but if for some reason you don't have it:
08:13<SynrG>apt-get install os-prober
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08:14<SynrG>to see if you have it: dpkg -l os-prober (first two columns should be 'ii')
08:14<jm_>!tell haotian -about grounding
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08:14<mjk>SynrG: Shouldn't he use "aptitude" instead of "apt-get"?
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08:15<mjk>I think aptitude was preferred over apt-get, already years ago ...
08:15<SynrG>there is no 'should' here, but yes, 'aptitude install os-prober' is fine
08:15<mjk>Ah ...
08:15<SynrG>preferred by some.
08:15<mjk>Thought "aptitude" had better dependency resolution or something ...
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08:15<SynrG>there is a myth circulating that they are not interchangable. that is false.
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08:15<SynrG>considered 'better' by some, yes :)
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08:16<SynrG>if by 'better' you mean 'too clever by half' ;)
08:16<mjk>SynrG: With one exception (if you will): Both have their own "put on hold" mechanism ....
08:16<SynrG>that is a part of the myth
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08:17<mjk>SynrG: What?!!!
08:17<mjk>Errr .... I .... uhm ....
08:17<mjk>SynrG: You got to be kidding.
08:17<Evil101>hey guyz
08:17<mjk>hi king
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08:17<SynrG>mjk: provide documentation to prove me wrong? :)
08:17<king>where u from
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08:18<mjk>SynrG: 'echo "blah hold" | dpkg --set-selections' does NOT appear in "aptitude show blah" and 'aptitude hold blah' does NOT appear in dpkg --get-selections
08:18<mjk>king: We're from the Internet. :-)
08:18<haotian>jm_ :: thanks
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08:19<SynrG>mjk: ah. happy to have been proven wrong. but aptitude will honor --set-selections. is the reverse not true?
08:19<jm_>haotian: no worries
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08:20<SynrG>mjk: just because there are two mechanisms doesn't mean they are not interoperable.
08:20<mjk>SynrG: I /think/ dpkg doesn't honor aptitude's hold-status, but can't remember if vice-versa works ...
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08:20<SynrG>see, that's the problem. there used to be problems. afaik, they have long ago been resolved.
08:20<mjk>SynrG: Yes, but I tried it out a while ago, and they seemed to be half-way independent -- except that aptitude might honor dpkg selections ...
08:21<haotian>I have os-prober but why grub didn't setup boot list properly
08:21<SynrG>Evil101, king: this channel is about debian support. if you're not here for that reason, may i suggest #moocows instead?
08:21<haotian>I can't boot into winblows
08:21<mjk>SynrG: lol
08:22<dpkg>hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771.
08:22<SynrG>well, either this factoid is obsolete or my understanding is broken.
08:22*SynrG checks the cited bug
08:23<SynrG>haotian: beats me. i have no dual-boot systems
08:23<SynrG>haotian: try 'update-grub' to see if it fixes it up?
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08:25<SynrG>mjk: given this bug is not closed, i revise my sweeping statement. 'aptitude and apt-get are interoperable so long as you don't use brokenly-implemented aptitude-specific features like "aptitude hold"' (citation, #137771) ;)
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08:25<SynrG>mjk: please note that dpkg --set-selections is not a feature of apt, but of dpkg
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08:27<haotian>I did full-update and it wanted me to sudo
08:27<haotian>then it said I'm not in the sudoers file
08:27<haotian>now how can I add myself to sudoers file ?
08:27<SynrG>you can fix that. su to become root ...
08:28<movl>type visudo...
08:28<haotian>if I install grub with root, maybe ownership issues etc ?
08:28<SynrG>add a line like:
08:28<SynrG>haotian ALL=(ALL) ALL
08:28<SynrG>(or whatever your username is)
08:29<movl>esc + :wq...
08:29<movl>and that's that
08:29<SynrG>well, visudo honors EDITOR and that's sane, isn't it?
08:29<SynrG>(i mean, wouldn't it use nano by default?)
08:29<haotian>where do I add that lineh SynrG
08:29*haotian hates traveling between laptop and pc
08:29<SynrG>haotian: 09:28 < movl> type visudo...
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08:30<movl>beneath the line that says "root ALL=(ALL) ALL"
08:30<haotian>visudo command not found
08:30<SynrG>haotian: you need to be root first
08:30<SynrG>use 'su'
08:30<SynrG>enter the root password
08:30<ayaka>if there is no X and fb don't support my graphic card, how linux show chars
08:31<king>for me it does
08:31<jm_>ayaka: you can use FB with regular dumb vga too
08:31<haotian>#User privelege specification
08:31<haotian>root ALL ALL ALl
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08:32<haotian>I add there haotian ALL=(ALL) ALL
08:32<haotian>right ?
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08:32<king>got a 34x grafic card
08:32<SynrG>yeah (assuming 'haotian' is your username)
08:32<haotian>then I can sudo ? woot !
08:32<SynrG>on a new line after that line, that is
08:33<haotian>assuming I have already downloaded new grub package, (since I did full-upgrade), now shall I do aptitude install grub ?
08:33<SynrG>king: would you kindly stop being random?
08:34<haotian>now I dont know how to save the nano file, I did ctrl+s it said, "ignored: mumble,mumble"
08:34<ayaka>jm_ so kernel support vga protocal?
08:34<jm_>ayaka: yes, and vesa and so on
08:34<movl>haotian: cut the mumble and tell us the exact error message
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08:34<SynrG>haotian: i'm not sure what you're getting at. 'downloaded' vs 'install'? you mean you're at a prompt asking you to install?
08:35<haotian>XOFF ignored
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08:36<SynrG>haotian: ^S does not save. look at the bottom line of nano. it says what your command keys are
08:36<ayaka>jm_ so on? is there anything else
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08:36<SynrG>haotian: ^X will prompt you to save when it exits
08:36<movl>it's C-x, afaicr
08:36<haotian>SynrG :: I first did full-update grub. It downloaded some packages and tried to install but failed at some point because some directories was only accessible to super user and I was a noob user. So, I asked now since the packages are already somewhere in my computer. Probably instead of doing "aptitude full-upgrade grub" maybe I should just do "aptitude install grub" just asking what I should do
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08:36<SynrG>then 'y', then 'enter'
08:36<jm_>ayaka: support for various graphics chips (acceleration ...)
08:36<king>could u help me install a dowloaded debian server
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08:37<ayaka>jm_ could you tell me index key, i will search it
08:37<SynrG>haotian: full-upgrade does not take a package name argument
08:38<jm_>ayaka: the simplest option is to run kernel config and look ath the FB related options
08:38<SynrG>haotian: honestly if you're not superuser i have no idea what 'aptitude full-upgrade' would do. i am suprised you say it downloaded some packages
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08:39<SynrG>it should not have permission to write on the usual cache
08:39<king>sup ikenjor
08:39<haotian>SynrG :: well it tried to something I dunno what it did. and it threw error.
08:39<ayaka>jm_ i means no FB solution
08:39<SynrG>haotian: i doubt if it did anything useful
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08:40<haotian>done with making myself super user
08:40<ikenjor>what the?
08:40<king>this is an debian sever line how can i help u ikenjor
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08:40<king>where u from
08:40<movl>king: wtf
08:40<SynrG>king: if you don't know even the fundamentals to installing debian i think you should not be offering help
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08:41<jm_>ayaka: in that case you're limited to text mode or stuff like svgalib/dga/mga or similar
08:41<king>i am from noth carolina
08:41<movl>tsandlam_: your caps
08:41<ikenjor>tsanddlam Hi, ur gay
08:41<haotian>kay my grub is already up to date
08:41<haotian>and it doesn't boot to winblows
08:41<movl>ikenjor: check your manners and spelling
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08:41<ayaka>jm_ yes, but who will use such odl mode like svglib/dga/mga
08:41<king>wats a sever where no wons on
08:42<arand>haotian: Do you have os-prober installed?
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08:42<jm_>ayaka: program written for it, one example is mplayer
08:42<SynrG>!ops king, Yo, check other nicks, same ip#, random noise
08:42<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: synrg complains about: king, Yo, check other nicks, same ip#, random noise
08:42<jm_>note that some of those require root access
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08:43<ayaka>jm_ oh,i remember, which always are disable by me when I compile it
08:43<ayaka>jm_ thank you very much
08:43<SynrG>Ganneff: thanks. and
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08:44<ayaka>then next question,i hear FB is future , so graphic driver will written for it, and X will base on it in the future?
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08:45<SynrG>haotian: did you try 'sudo update-grub'?
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08:45<SynrG>haotian: my understanding is that with os-prober present, that should automatically detect and update your grub config with other detected OSes
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08:46<SynrG>Maulkin: tnx
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08:47<haotian>ohh wait I'm doing it now
08:48<haotian>first time I tried to do it, either I failed (either me wrong or something else)
08:48<haotian>now it's doing something
08:48<haotian>Thanks for notifying
08:48<SynrG>it should report which OSes & kernels it finds. verify it gives what looks like sane results to you
08:48<haotian>What I actually did was , aptitude update grub
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08:48<haotian>thanks a lot
08:48<SynrG>ah. wrong command :)
08:49<SynrG>i was quite precise ...
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08:49<haotian>it generated grub.cfg
08:49<haotian>and found my winblows !
08:49<haotian>restarting now (:
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08:50<haotian>hoo hoo hoo hoo !
08:50*haotian treats SynrG with russian girl
08:50<haotian>it worked thanks
08:50<SynrG>no russian girl, thanks. cash will do ;)
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08:51<haotian>now time to learn how to setup httpd server, and a git repo (:
08:51<SynrG>but seriously, the pleasure is mine. glad we got you sorted out
08:51<haotian>though first will forward some ports from router
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08:51<SynrG>good luck. i have to attend to work. others here can help
08:52<haotian>Wasn't going to ask anything really (:
08:52<haotian>There are plenty of documents, I hope they are enough
08:52*SynrG nods
08:52<SynrG>also if you priv msg dpkg bot, it knows a lot
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08:52<yoshimi-pink>I'm trying to get the b43/ucode5.fx and b43-open/ucode.fw files for a computer im installing debian on, i was wondering if anyone knows where i can download them? the computer does not have a direct connection to the internet so apt-get install is out
08:53<yoshimi-pink>* b43/ucode5.fw
08:54<SynrG>i believe the license is so restrictive we can't redistribute those at all, not even in non-free, so there is some installer package to install them.
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08:55<SynrG>you could install them on some other debian system and then copy them over i suppose. otherwise you're on your own
08:55<babilen>yoshimi-pink: You have no internet connection whatsoever? Which operating system do you use on the computer you are currently chatting from? The firmware is typically extracted from binary blob drivers (with b43-fwcutter) -- This can be done manually with b43-fwcutter or simply by installing the appropriate firmware-b43-??? package.
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08:56<SynrG>oh? that's why apt-file can't find them. sorry to misdirect you
08:57<yoshimi-pink>both laptops but the
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08:57<babilen>yoshimi-pink: See and for details.
08:57<SynrG>babilen: or am i essentially correct?
08:57<yoshimi-pink>the internet wire thingy is broken,
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08:58<babilen>SynrG: Yes, you are. The firmware is *not* at all part of *NIX, but is extracted from a binary windows/osx driver. (IIRC, last played with this *ages* ago) -- AFAIK firmware-b43-* download a ms windows/osx driver and extract it from there.
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08:59<babilen>yoshimi-pink: You are currently online -- How do you connect and which operating system are you running at the moment?
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08:59<yoshimi-pink>I have two computers, both laptps the direct wire connection thingy on the other computer is broken and the b43 is what i need to get the wifi to work
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09:00<yoshimi-pink>this comptuer is running ubuntu im tryin to switch over
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09:02<babilen>yoshimi-pink: Ok, you should have the firmware on your Ubuntu (or you can use Ubuntu to extract it) -- Take a look at /lib/firmware/* and b43-fwcutter.
09:02<babilen>!tell yoshimi-pink -about installer firmware
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09:04<babilen>yoshimi-pink: You might also just want to install a minimal system first (from the netinstall or CD1/DVD1) and take it from there, but it shouldn't be much of a problem to provide the firmware acquired on Ubuntu to the installer. (or merely copy it manually to /lib/firmware/???
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09:10<diraol1>Hi friends, i'm trying to change the default Group of new users on my system. I've executed 'useradd -g 1002' but when creating new users it didn't worked, the default group stills "usergroup".
09:10<petemc>diraol1: looked at /etc/adduser.conf ?
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09:12<diraol1>i've tryied /etc/default/useradd ... i haven't seen this file yet.. i'll test it petemc =)
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09:23<valdyn>diraol1: you should be using adduser, not useradd
09:23<diraol1>why valdyn ?
09:24<valdyn>diraol1: because it does pick the proper default group, create the proper $HOME, pick a proper numeric uid, copy /etc/skel/ etc and follows /etc/adduser.conf without fancy command line arguments
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09:25<diraol1>valdyn: oh, i see... thanks for you and for petemc , it worked now!
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10:07<AgentC>is dist-upgrade the only way to install testing ?
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10:11<daemonkeeper>AgentC: The only reliable way.
10:11<daemonkeeper>AgentC: There are Testing images, but their purpose is primarily to test the Testing *installer*.
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10:36<fbs>how do i pass options to cryptsetup & mkfs in the debianinstaller/partman?
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10:48<admin-club-linux>bon jours a tout le monde
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10:51<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
10:52<Soleman>is it quiet here?
10:53<petemc>it can be
10:53<Soleman>seems like it
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10:53*gnugr doupt
10:54<Soleman>is there any special interest groups for styff like raid issues etc
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10:55<gnugr>Soleman: its a debian help channel
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10:55<gnugr>debian-support channel
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10:55<Soleman>yeap i have debian 3.0 running on a box called a yellow machine
10:56<movl>3.0? o.0
10:57<gnugr>Soleman: if you have a question about debian, just ask
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10:58<Soleman>lost a drive and replaced did not rebuild raid set
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10:59<Soleman>need help driving config to re establish array and assemble - not all that familier
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11:07<unifiedlinux>hey everyone
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11:08<unifiedlinux>can anyone tell me how to make a new partition on a disk /dev/sda (there is nothing on it, i did a low level format) ? thanks
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11:10<unifiedlinux>should i use primary or logical partition ?
11:10<unifiedlinux>it's not for the / partition, it's to put my /home on it
11:11<petemc>do you plan to have more than 4 partitions?
11:11<unifiedlinux>no, it's a 20Gb disk, i only need 1 partition on it
11:11<petemc>primary should be fine then
11:11<unifiedlinux>ok thanks :)
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11:15<ayaka>I don't want to change default boot in grub2,but i want to it boot to another once time after reboot,how to
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11:18<amoe>Anyone know how to move a storage volume between pools in virt-manager?
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11:19*amoe takes it to #virt
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11:22<unifiedlinux>can you tell me if this is correct : mkfs -V -t ext3 /dev/sda1; i need it for a new /home partition ?
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11:23<Soleman>how do I rebuild 4 Disk(250GB) RAID5 /dev/hde failed and fstab no longer has record of array, each drive has 4 partitions but mdadm.conf only refers to 4th partition..novice with linux
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11:24<movl>Soleman: how did you build the array in the first place?
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11:24<movl>or it was someone else?
11:24<rpetre>hello, short question: i'll need to build, distribute and maintain some .debs for my machines, what's the recommended tool to maintain a private repo nowadays? still reprepro?
11:24<ayaka>do you use soft raid or hard?
11:25<unifiedlinux>soleman: i'm novice with linux but i think if it's a hardware raid, you should use the BIOS to configure it
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11:25<unifiedlinux>a hardware raid is seen by the system like a standard hard drive
11:25<Soleman>software raid i belive as using mdadm?
11:26<ayaka>Soleman yep it is
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11:26<dpkg>Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>.
11:26<ayaka>how mang disks it has and how many broke
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11:27<Soleman>box is a yellowmachine circa 2005 debian v3, 4 disk array one disk broken
11:27<ayaka>SynrG it is not fakeraid it's md i think
11:27<movl>Soleman: the latest Debian release is 6.0.4
11:28<movl>I suggest a backup, reinstall and new array
11:28<SynrG>(that was mostly for unifiedlinux's benefit ... fakeraid is *not* recommended, but rather software raid instead)
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11:28<ayaka>SynrG i can't more agree.with you
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11:30<ayaka>movl but i think there is no problem rebuilding
11:30<Soleman>trouble is array is inactive unable to see data
11:30<valdyn>Soleman: why rebuild? if only one disk is broken it should work fine
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11:30<movl>ayaka: 3.0 is long dead and gone, that's why
11:30<movl>and you won't get support from nobody
11:31<ayaka>Soleman do you insert a new disk
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11:31<Soleman>yeap inserted ne disk didi not regen
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11:31<Soleman>start of probs
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11:32<ayaka>movl but but backup is wasting time , and mdadmin is same
11:32<Soleman>apart from the drive fail of course
11:32<movl>ayaka: backup is wasting time?
11:32<ayaka>Soleman rebuild array
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11:32<SynrG>in a system that old i gotta wonder if nobody's been watching and first one, then the other disk went bad
11:32<ayaka>movl like me, i don't have more space and disk
11:32<valdyn>Soleman: mdadm mail probably went to /dev/null ;)
11:33<ayaka>i think just regard it as squeeze, sovle it first
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11:33<valdyn>Soleman: youre fucked if 2 disks broke, your data is practically gone
11:33<ayaka>valdyn you had better don't use that word
11:34<Soleman>hde failed hda,c and g ok
11:34<movl>well if you don't have backups you're screwed anyway
11:34<valdyn>Soleman: so you run "mdadm --assemble --scan" and that does what?
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11:34<valdyn>Soleman: im wondering if you could even have mdadm at debian 3
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11:35<Soleman>mdadm is there
11:36<movl>Soleman: a long-outdated version, no backup and multiple disks failing? Houston, you have a problem
11:36<Soleman>its seems like the array doesnt know the new drive has been installed
11:36<Soleman>ONLY one disk failed
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11:36<yoshimi-pink>why is debian better than ubuntu?
11:36<movl>yoshimi-pink: don't troll, please
11:37<valdyn>Soleman: what happens when you run my command?
11:37<Soleman>getting console up now
11:37<yoshimi-pink>I am not trolling I am switching, this is a serious question
11:37<valdyn>!tell yoshimi-pink -about why debian
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11:38<valdyn>Soleman: how do you think the array should know about the new drive?
11:39<Soleman>cammnd returned mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 2 drives - not enough to start it (use --run to insist).
11:39<valdyn>Soleman: so 2 disks broke
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11:39<Soleman>its not recognising the new drive
11:39<valdyn>Soleman: or alternatively, you removed the disk that was not broken
11:39<Soleman>as part of the array
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11:40<valdyn>Soleman: thats ok, md is not supposed to autodetect your intetion to add a drive
11:40<yoshimi-pink>could anything go wrong if i select all the install prompt?
11:40<valdyn>Soleman: adding the 4th drive is not a problem, you need the original 3rd drive
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11:40<yoshimi-pink>the various servers desktop environment etc.
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11:42<valdyn>Soleman: you can use mdadm --examine to inspect raid members
11:42<valdyn>Soleman: and till you find the original 3rd drive, theres nothing you can do
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11:43<Soleman>fdisk -l reports all drives present, disk0,1,3 with partitions 1-4 on each new drive has none but is present
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11:43<valdyn>Soleman: so go ahead use mdadm --examine on the raid members
11:44<valdyn>Soleman: theres needs to be 3 partitions all carrying the same uuid as shown by mdadm --examine
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11:45<Soleman>returns no devices to examin as /dev/md0 off line inactive
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11:47<yoshimi-pink>ok I'm on a fresh install of debian on my other computer and its in coomand line interface
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11:47<yoshimi-pink>I want the xfce to work, how to i do this?
11:47<valdyn>Soleman: you are supposed to examine raid members, not the raid
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11:49<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: aptitude install xorg xfce4 gdm
11:49<Soleman>Valdyn: it would seem from looking at fstab and mdadm.conf a mismatch in configuration, which i think is at the root of the prob
11:49<valdyn>Soleman: no it isnt
11:50<valdyn>Soleman: the root of the problem is that were not finding the missing raid member
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11:51<valdyn>Soleman: cat /proc/mdstat might
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11:51<valdyn>Soleman: "cat /proc/mdstat" might show you the raid with 2 members. You need the missing 3rd intact to get this raid going
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11:52<Soleman>i have 3 drive all working 1 new drive not being reconised in the array
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11:52<Soleman>4 drive in total
11:52<valdyn>Soleman: geez, youre not listening
11:52<valdyn>Soleman: show us your /proc/mdstat
11:53<valdyn>Soleman: this is a raid5, it needs 3 to work and 4 to be protected from drive fault
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11:53<valdyn>Soleman: as soon as you have 3 and the raid is working fine, then adding the 4th makes sense, not before that
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11:54<Soleman>YellowTerror:/# cat /proc/mdstat
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11:54<Soleman>Personalities : [raid0] [raid1] [raid5]
11:54<Soleman>read_ahead not set
11:54<Soleman>md0 : inactive hda4[0] hdg4[3] hdc4[1]
11:54<Soleman> 0 blocks
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11:55<yoshimi-pink>oh ok, i was wondering about the xfce
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11:55<valdyn>!tell Soleman -about paste
11:55<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: i thought i told you
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11:56<yoshimi-pink>my laptop isnt connected to the internet so aptitude isnt an option, but i added xfce to the install commandline like this website told me to
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11:57<yoshimi-pink>it just didnt start up in gui
11:57<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: aptitude works the same from command line if you use cdrom or dvd or internet
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11:57<yoshimi-pink>no cd, no dvd, no internet its already installed
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11:58<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: you need some package source to install packages
11:58<valdyn>Soleman: read what dpkg told you about paste, i still need to see /proc/mdstat
11:59<yoshimi-pink>ok how do i mount a thumb drive from command line
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11:59<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/"
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11:59<Soleman>Posting 161139 from Soleman posted at 2012-03-27 17:59:01 paste debain
12:00<valdyn>Soleman: hmm, i didnt need to see that, the URL will do
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12:00<meyote>SynrG, thanks for the help with nvidia drivers, got them working now :)
12:01<valdyn>Soleman: thats not /proc/mdstat
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12:02<yoshimi-pink>yay! :D ty ty ty ty <3
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12:03<valdyn>Soleman: run "mdadm --examine /dev/hda4" for all 3 raid members and show us the output
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12:03<Soleman>valdyn: k
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12:05<yoshimi-pink>im having some trouble finding xfce4 package
12:06<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: that package depends on a large number of smaller packages
12:06<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: same as xorg , you wont have fun sorting that out manually
12:07<yoshimi-pink>i thought debian was suppose to come with the gui on the disk?
12:07<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: it does
12:07<yoshimi-pink>then how do i start it up
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12:08<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: which disk did you get?
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12:08<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: theres like 5 different disks for stable that can be used to install debian
12:09<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: the name of the iso image would help..
12:09<yoshimi-pink>the first one
12:09<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: that one comes with gnome, not xfce, iirc
12:10<yoshimi-pink>then where can i get the one with xfce cause i dont know how to google
12:10<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: same place, it has xfce in the name
12:10<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: its an alternate 1st
12:10<yoshimi-pink>thank you <3
12:10<retrospectacus>you can also just install the base system and then install xfce4 manually
12:11<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: you really really want network access
12:11<yoshimi-pink>yes, with the internet, which i dont have
12:11<yoshimi-pink>i have to wait two days before i can get the internet for personal reasons
12:11<yoshimi-pink>i dont want to wait that long for an install
12:12<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: I would have gotten just the 1st dvd
12:12<yoshimi-pink>yeah but i really like xfce :(
12:12<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: sure, the 1st dvd probably contains them all
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12:13<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: i dont actually know, see /msg dpkg cd contents
12:13<meyote>oops o_O
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12:13<valdyn>Soleman: i missed your paste
12:13<yoshimi-pink>ty valdyn ur so sweet <3
12:14<ayaka>but i think lxde is another choice whick is light ad xfec
12:14<Soleman>no u didnt; box rebooted
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12:16<valdyn>Soleman: for all 3 please
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12:17<yoshimi-pink>is there a way to log into root with gui?
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12:18<retrospectacus>yoshimi-pink: perhaps but you should not do that
12:18<yoshimi-pink>im loged into root right now on the other computer, just in command line
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12:18<yoshimi-pink>I run GNU/Linux because i dont like being told what to do xD
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12:19<retrospectacus>yoshimi-pink: using the GUI as root bring security problems. You should only use it as the user, and use gksu or such, or open a terminal and use su, to do administrative things
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12:20<ayaka>but i think you can just edit some files in /etc/pam.d
12:20<ayaka>i think that
12:20<valdyn>Soleman: so obviously the hdg4 dropped out faulty
12:20<valdyn>Soleman: and the raid stopped
12:20<Soleman>looks like it
12:20<yoshimi-pink>oh ok, ty
12:20<valdyn>Soleman: and first thing you want to do is just force it to run with 3 disks
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12:20<Soleman>can we do this?
12:20<valdyn>Soleman: not sure how thats done, try "mdadm --run /dev/md0"
12:21<valdyn>Soleman: yes
12:22<ayaka>retrospectacus actually i forget how to do it, is it my way correct
12:22<retrospectacus>ayaka: The correct way is don't.
12:22<Soleman>valdyn: mdadm: failed to run array /dev/md0: Invalid argument
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12:22<valdyn>Soleman: mdadm --assemble --assume-clean /dev/md0
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12:23<retrospectacus>ayaka: we teach people "the Debian way", how to use their system properly, not help them do dumb things and break stuff
12:23<Soleman>Valdyn: mdadm: unrecognized option `--assume-clean'
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12:24<valdyn>Soleman: because your mdadm is so old..
12:24<Soleman>guessing so
12:24<yoshimi-pink>how do you shut down your computer with command line?
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12:24<retrospectacus>yoshimi-pink: with the shutdown command
12:25<retrospectacus>yoshimi-pink: e.g. shutdown -h now (man shutdown)
12:26<ayaka>retrospectacus but i really want to know
12:26<Soleman>valdyn: too risky to try and upgrade that software component?
12:26<valdyn>Soleman: "mdadm --run --force /dev/md0" maybe...
12:26<yoshimi-pink>yes, thank you retrospectacus
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12:27<valdyn>Soleman: that alone is probably a few hours of work
12:27<retrospectacus>ayaka: I'm really telling you, never do that! Don't consider it, don't try to help someone when they say they want to, tell them not to.
12:27<Soleman>valdyn: mdadm: failed to run array /dev/md0: No such device
12:28<valdyn>Soleman: you can probably remove and re-add hdg4
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12:29<Soleman>valdyn: mdadm -remove /dev/hdg4 ?
12:29<ayaka>retrospectacus well i am a student, need to know how to lock and unlock
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12:31<valdyn>Soleman: wait..
12:31<Soleman>valdyn: k
12:32<valdyn>Soleman: can you do backups of the drives?
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12:33<Soleman>valdyn: could this be done over the lan?
12:34<valdyn>Soleman: sure, is the data important at all?
12:34<ayaka>valdyn i am sorry to bring you a long problem
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12:36<Soleman>valdyn: data is pretty important, i will do what ever needs to done, box is headless, so no direct b/u
12:36<valdyn>Soleman: ok
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12:37<valdyn>Soleman: the stuff you pasted from --examine and /proc/mdstat is very important, save it somewhere
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12:37<Soleman>valdyn: ok
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12:37<valdyn>Soleman: fixing this array is destructive to that metadata, but with your pastes saved thats not an issue
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12:38<Soleman>valdyn: ok, will double up on it
12:39<valdyn>Soleman: now you got to stop the array and force a clean assembly:
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12:40<Soleman>valdyn: need a couple of minutes pls
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12:40<valdyn>Soleman: mdadm --stop /dev/md0; mdadm --assemble --force /dev/md0 /dev/hda4 /dev/hdc4 missing /dev/hdg4
12:40<valdyn>Soleman: sure
12:40<valdyn>Soleman: and dont run that yet
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12:42<yoshimi-pink>I am loving debian so far, so many options :D
12:42<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: thats a little early, you'll love it more later when you understand it better
12:43<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: at least I think debian is more overwhelming than nice to the beginner
12:43<yoshimi-pink>yay! x3 is there somthing important i should know between ubuntu/debian that's not in the docs?
12:43<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: theres (almost) no technical difference
12:43<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: the UI is just different
12:44<yoshimi-pink>also no canonical
12:44<yoshimi-pink>im starting to hate them but im not sure why
12:45<yoshimi-pink>felt like they weren't respecting my freedom with all these different things they kept making me use, and i had to find the one i liked on the web and reinstall and change it and it sucked so im jsut hoping debian will be more respectful of my personal space
12:47<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: debian is restrictive on *how* you install something, not on what
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12:47<yoshimi-pink>as in?
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12:47<yoshimi-pink>i prefer command line install to the gui
12:47<yoshimi-pink>apt-get and aptitude
12:47<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: as in youre not supposed to act against dpkg
12:48<valdyn>yoshimi-pink: oh you can use whatever frontend you want there
12:48<yoshimi-pink>lol, i dont want to, all the muddle and fuddle i dont need that lol
12:49<yoshimi-pink>I'm thinking about making my own front end for personal use, one that isnt as clunky as the garbage on ubuntu
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12:49<Soleman>valdyn: ok all mdadm --examine and cat /proc/mdstat --> -
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12:49<valdyn>Soleman: ok, fine
12:50<valdyn>Soleman: now you can run my abovementioned 2 commands
12:50<valdyn>Soleman: they can break the proper device order in the raid
12:50<valdyn>Soleman: thats why you have that backup of the order
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12:51<Soleman>valdyn: k, 1st one reports mdadm: fail to stop array /dev/md0: No such device
12:52<valdyn>Soleman: i dont remember how the hell device nodes were created back then, lets see
12:53<tuxcrafter>i tried booting linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae root=UUID=ce0d589d-121d-449b-9fc9-7e392b17fbda ro single console=ttyS0,115200
12:53<valdyn>Soleman: there should be a MAKEDEV script on your system
12:53<Soleman>valdyn: k, 2nd reports mdadm: missing has no superblock - assembly aborted
12:53<valdyn>Soleman: probably in /dev
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12:53<tuxcrafter>on an alix system but it crases during or after Loading initial ramdisk ...
12:53<tuxcrafter>BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=UUID=ce0d589d-121d-449b-9fc9-7e392b17fbda ro rootdelay=10 console=ttyS0,115200 quiet
12:53<tuxcrafter>^ works fine
12:53<SynrG>meyote: ah, excellent. glad it worked out
12:54<valdyn>Soleman: missing is a feature to denote a missing drive, hmm
12:54<sney_>tuxcrafter, have you tried re-creating the initramfs?
12:55<valdyn>Soleman: just skip the missing and see
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12:55<tuxcrafter>sney_: running linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae root=UUID=ce0d589d-121d-449b-9fc9-7e392b17fbda ro single console=ttyS0,115200
12:55<tuxcrafter>sney_: running update-initramfs -u -k all -v
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12:55<Soleman>valdyn: MAKEDEV in /dev and /sbin
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12:56<valdyn>Soleman: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV md0; or ./MAKEDEV md
12:57<valdyn>Soleman: i think i recall that mdadm created the device nodes automagically
12:58<tuxcrafter>sney_: new intitram did the same
12:58<tuxcrafter>crashes during or after loading ramdisk
12:58<Soleman>error returned command not found
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12:58<sney_>tuxcrafter, any error messages? and does it crash or just stop loading?
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12:58<valdyn>Soleman: well, you said MAKEDEV is there, so you must have had a typo there
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12:59<smhar>a basic question first: I have an eth and wifi (AP mode) devices. I want eth to be a static IP and wifi to give IP via DHCP, I put the static IP in /etc/network/interfaces as
12:59<smhar>where should I set the DHCP settings for the wifi, and what IP range should I choose?
12:59<tuxcrafter>sney_: the system reboots
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12:59<Soleman>error returned on script components major_LCD; major_front...etc
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12:59<valdyn>Soleman: ok, lets forget about that then
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13:00<Soleman>sounds good
13:00<valdyn>Soleman: try the force assembly without missing
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13:01<retrospectacus>smhar: in the dhcpd.conf and whatever private network you like
13:02<Soleman>mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 3 drives.
13:02<valdyn>Soleman: great
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13:02<valdyn>Soleman: now lets see the --examine stuff again and the mdstat contents again
13:02<sney_>tuxcrafter, hmm, and do you have any weird hardware? have you ever suspected your ram might be faulty?
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13:03<tuxcrafter>sney_: well its an alix system i use them a lot 2.6 always worked and dont thing ram is bad
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13:03<sney_>what do you mean 'alix system'
13:04<kaddouri>hi there
13:04<kaddouri> have installed debian, but can't get network connection
13:04<kaddouri> there is on the network interface an ip, but the wrong one
13:04<kaddouri> when i want to config i can't save
13:05<retrospectacus>kaddouri: why/how is it "the wrong one"? You need to be root to modify interfaces or use ifconfig
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13:05<kaddouri>and how can i do that?
13:05<retrospectacus>be root?
13:06<kaddouri>yes, i tried
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13:06<kaddouri>but i am new in debian
13:06<kaddouri>it's my first day
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13:06<kaddouri>what are the complete commands?
13:06<smhar>retrospectacus, I can use the eth as and wifi as 192.168.1.x?
13:07<retrospectacus>smhar: I think you could... I prefer to provide a different network and do NAT
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13:07<retrospectacus>kaddouri: "su"
13:07<valdyn>Soleman: the --examine stuff ?
13:08<retrospectacus>kaddouri: you need to learn to ask better questions
13:08<smhar>retrospectacus, ok, not sure how to do NAT though
13:08<smhar>will need to google that later
13:08<Paloma>yes is the better question
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13:08<kaddouri>retrospectacus: yes, i know this command, but i want a step by step tutorial to change the ipconfiguration in the map "interfaces"
13:09<retrospectacus>kaddouri: read "man interfaces"
13:09<kaddouri>retrospectacus: where to find this?
13:09<retrospectacus>it's a command
13:09<smhar>but for now, I have /etc/dhcp/ and /etc/dhcp3/ and dhcpd.conf is in the first one, is things in order ?
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13:10<retrospectacus>kaddouri: "man" is the manual command, it will show you the manual for whatever program name you pass it as an argument
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13:10<kaddouri>retrospectacus: that to difficult
13:11<retrospectacus>kaddouri: it's up to you whether you want to learn or not
13:11<retrospectacus>we are not here to do things for you
13:11<kaddouri>retrospectacus: can't you just tell me how to save the changes i make in this map? it says i am not the owner
13:11<retrospectacus>I did.
13:11<retrospectacus>*then* edit the file
13:11<valdyn>Soleman: this looks excellent. Does /dev/md0 exist now?
13:12<retrospectacus>kaddouri: using the terminal you ran su in. You can use the text editor "nano" it is pretty simple
13:12<kaddouri>retrospectacus: you mean in terminal? i meant in the map, not in the terminal
13:12<retrospectacus>kaddouri: yes. I don't know what a "map" is...
13:12<kaddouri>retrospectacus: ok i will try it
13:13<Soleman>look like there is something there
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13:13<kop>kaddouri: You will need to look at the bottom of the screen when running nano. That's where it tells you what keys to press.
13:13<valdyn>Soleman: ok, now you can mount that filesystem, but should do so only read-only
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13:14<Soleman>sorry champ mount who? linux novice
13:14<valdyn>Soleman: you can first copy things from that fs or you can first add a 4th raid member
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13:14<kaddouri>retrospectacus: how can i enter the file in terminal?
13:14<valdyn>Soleman: wheres your 4th disk?
13:15<Soleman>? the new one?
13:15<retrospectacus>kaddouri: you type the path to the file as the argument to "nano"
13:15<valdyn>Soleman: yes
13:15<Soleman>in the box
13:15<retrospectacus>kaddouri: like this, nano /etc/network/interfaces
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13:15<kaddouri>a ok
13:15<Soleman>aka machine
13:15<valdyn>Soleman: add it, let it sync
13:15<retrospectacus>kaddouri: you can use the Tab key to help complete filenames
13:15<Soleman> /dev/hde
13:15<kaddouri>retrospectacus: and before the nano, do i type su?
13:15<valdyn>Soleman: worst case though hdg will fail again and that sync cant complete
13:16<valdyn>Soleman: ok, first you need to get proper partitions on that disk
13:16<retrospectacus>kaddouri: yes enter su by itself, then you will get a different prompt
13:16<retrospectacus>kaddouri: then you are root, and will be able to save that file
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13:16<kaddouri>retrospectacus: your the man, i got it thanx
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13:18<Soleman>?fdisk /dev/hde ?
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13:18<valdyn>Soleman: is it hde?
13:19<valdyn>Soleman: we could just clone the other disks partition table
13:19<Soleman>ok how do i do that pls
13:19<valdyn>Soleman: sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk /dev/hde
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13:19<kaddouri>retrospectacus: an other issue, i have to make my debian a primary dns, mailserver and webserver
13:20<kaddouri>retrospectacus: any idea
13:20<Soleman>cool must be learning somethings see above :)
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13:21<retrospectacus>kaddouri: hum
13:21<Soleman>poo Warning: given size (109051522) exceeds max allowable size (0) sfdisk: bad input
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13:21<valdyn>Soleman: i cant say if the kernel is notified about it when you run that command, if /dev/hde4 is still missing then we need to do that manually
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13:22<valdyn>Soleman: try hdg on the left side instead
13:22<kaddouri>retrospectacus: any tutorials?
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13:22<retrospectacus>kaddouri: for how many domains?
13:22<kaddouri>retrospectacus: it will be an external
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13:23<valdyn>Soleman: is hde smaller than the other disks?
13:23<Soleman>same size
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13:25<valdyn>Soleman: looks to me like your sfdisk is actiing funny
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13:25<valdyn>Soleman: you can just create a single large partition on hde i suppose
13:25<Soleman>yeah maybe revision issue
13:25<valdyn>Soleman: use fdisk or cfdisk
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13:26<Soleman>ok fdisking now
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13:26<valdyn>Soleman: maybe the disk is a tiny bit smaller
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13:26<Soleman>possible slightly dif model number
13:27<valdyn>Soleman: i usually set the type to fd ( Linux raid autodetect ), but thats not important
13:27<jhockin>Has anything changed recently in regards to updating squeeze to 2.6.38 via back ports? Using the method outlined many places online but aptitude is returning no results for linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64
13:27<valdyn>jhockin: maybe its no longer supported, theres plenty newer kernes on bpo
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13:28<Soleman>managent screen reporting degraded RAID,
13:28<retrospectacus>jhockin: "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" will tell you what's available
13:28<valdyn>Soleman: thats ok
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13:28<tuxcrafter>sney_: should i post a bugreport?
13:28<jhockin>great, thanks
13:28<valdyn>Soleman: it is degraded
13:28<Soleman>repair utility is asking to do repair
13:29<valdyn>Soleman: now you know that management screen is working
13:29<valdyn>Soleman: thats so not debian. I cant know that repair tool.
13:29<Soleman>very very much more +ve then b4
13:29<sney_>tuxcrafter, worth a shot
13:29<valdyn>Soleman: youre about done, but you havent looked at the data on the raid yet
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13:29<Soleman>not yet
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13:30<Soleman>shoulf i be able to see it from console screen
13:30<Soleman>should i be able to
13:30<valdyn>Soleman: after that fdisk you can either: mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/hde1 or use that repair tool where i cant help you
13:32<Soleman>the repair tool is cgi script drive mdadm
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13:32<Soleman>and other perl scripts.. what do you recommend do fdisk
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13:33<valdyn>Soleman: just add that disk as shown above and ignore the repair tool
13:34<valdyn>Soleman: then look at /proc/mdstat
13:35<Soleman>ok, should the --add b4 /dev/hde1 or hde4 ?
13:35<tuxcrafter>whats the name of the package to install a memcheck86 alike tool
13:35<tuxcrafter>that can be started from grub2
13:35<dpkg>To test a computer's memory subsystem for faults, use either: memtest86 / memtest86+ (thorough real-mode testers) or memtester, all packaged for Debian. memtest86+ is included in <debian live>. For GRUB Legacy, set memtest86=true in /boot/grub/menu.lst and run "update-grub" to enable memtest86/memtest86+ boot selections. The make-memtest86{,+}-boot-floppy script depends on GRUB Legacy. See also <grub2 badram>.
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13:36<valdyn>Soleman: i think you only created 1 large partition
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13:36<valdyn>Soleman: that would then be hde1
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13:37<tuxcrafter>ow wauw memtest from serial console :D
13:37<tuxcrafter>sney_: thx its runnen
13:37<tuxcrafter>i just want to be sure
13:39<Soleman>valdyn: the other drives have 4 partitions
13:39<valdyn>Soleman: yes
13:39<EmleyMoor>In my .xsession-errors, I get rather a lot of Bonobo-WARNING **: Bonobo must be initialized before use from various programs - how do I resolve it so that I no longer get this message filling up the file?
13:39<valdyn>Soleman: but we cant replicate that exactly, we already tried, the new disk is to small
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13:41<Soleman>new partition reports partition 2 does not end on cyclinder boundry
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13:41<valdyn>Soleman: doesnt matter
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13:43<valdyn>Soleman: all we need is a partition that is at least big enough, cant do much wrong
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13:44<Soleman>partition created reread partition table/ syncing disks
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13:45<Soleman>hot added hde1
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13:46<PIKONETO>estas ahi?
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13:47<kaddouri>i can ping but still don't have internetconnection
13:47<sney_>!ops PIKONETO
13:47<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney_ complains about: PIKONETO
13:47<Soleman>valdyn: /proc/mdstat
13:47<PIKONETO> cabrones hijosputa
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13:48<valdyn>Soleman: what is supposed to be on /dev/md0?
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13:49<valdyn>Soleman: database? files ?
13:49<valdyn>Soleman: sure data, its always data
13:49<valdyn>Soleman: hows it accessed ?
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13:50<valdyn>Soleman: nm, can you show the relevant fstab line or the whole fstab file?
13:50<Soleman>mapped drive to windows machines
13:50<kaddouri>can someone help?
13:50<valdyn>Soleman: ok
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13:50<retrospectacus>kaddouri: ping is internet connection.
13:50<valdyn>Soleman: dont reboot btw
13:50<Soleman>currently windows drive show "folder is empty"
13:51<valdyn>Soleman: yes, naturally
13:51<valdyn>Soleman: i need to see /etc/fstab
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13:51<kaddouri>yes, but when i want to surf on the internet, it doesn't load
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13:51<Soleman>im guessing the raid is rebuilding
13:52<valdyn>Soleman: yes, it is rebuilding
13:52<retrospectacus>kaddouri: insufficient data for meaningful answer
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13:52<valdyn>Soleman: i cant wait for that though, see the 1157 minutes from mdstat
13:53<valdyn>Soleman: so what you want to do now is make sure nothing tries to write to the raid, but you can look at whats there anyway
13:53<Soleman>DOH! i'll wait
13:53<valdyn>Soleman: but for that i need to see fstab
13:54<kaddouri>retrospectacus: i changed my ip adrress, but i can't connect, i can ping the dns and other ip's, when i want to install something in terminal, its not installing, when i go to the browser, no site is loading
13:54<retrospectacus>kaddouri: what does "wget" do?
13:55<Soleman>should i be able to see file from the console?
13:55<valdyn>Soleman: not yet
13:55<valdyn>Soleman: but yes, and from your windows clients
13:55<Soleman>sweeet i think
13:56<Soleman>you have been an absolute champion!!!!
13:56<kaddouri>retrospectacus: name or server not known. unable to resolve host address
13:56<SynrG>wow, this has been a most entertaining support call to follow
13:56<SynrG>Soleman, valdyn: thanks for providing me with entertainment :0
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13:56<Soleman>I think I may have another child JUST so I can name them after you!!!
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13:57<retrospectacus>kaddouri: what's your nameserver? It says in /etc/resolv.conf
13:57<Soleman>wait 4 the movie to come out!! i be played by .......
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13:58<retrospectacus>kaddouri: you said you can ping it... but I guess it does not know where "" is
13:58<Short_circuit>Have a question. Current pc is getting reinstalled. Install is dual boot like last. I'm upgrading from deb 5 to deb 6. I can boot to desktop but I'm trying to get 3d accelleration running. I used the nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 to match my kernel but I can't get xorg configured to use it. Xorg -configure fails out with
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13:59<Short_circuit>(EE) [drm] no dricreatpcibusid symbol
13:59<Short_circuit>Number of created screens does not match the number of detected devices
13:59<Short_circuit>configuration failed
13:59<Short_circuit>I'm currently in singer user mode
13:59<Short_circuit>machine is quad core amd 64 obviously. Card is nivida 9800gt
13:59<kaddouri>retrospectacus: retrospectacus in that file is the wrong ip i think, which ip does i have to fill in?
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14:00<Short_circuit>debian 5 had no problems with this exact setup
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14:00<retrospectacus>kaddouri: whatever is the IP of your nameserver. No way for me to know, only you.
14:00<sney_>Short_circuit, use an xorg.conf snippet in xorg.conf.d
14:00<valdyn>i'd be curious to know if any data is recoverable even
14:01<sney_>just a "Device" section by itself with an identifier and a driver line
14:01<Short_circuit>Oh.. and I had software accell goin ok.. but game play is to restricted
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14:01<Short_circuit>I was trying to generate an xorg.conf by running the configure. N/G I have no xorg.conf
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14:01<valdyn>Soleman: your raid is rebuilding, but its already readable. If the data is intact is probable but totally unknown yet
14:02<Short_circuit>so each boot Xorg auto detects
14:02<Short_circuit>just not doing so correctly
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14:02<retrospectacus>kaddouri: usually the IP of your router, or nameserver(s) provided by your ISP. You could also use or but they will be slower
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14:03<Short_circuit>Oh.. manually create
14:03<retrospectacus>kaddouri: also that file is usually overwritten by your dhcp client
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14:04<kaddouri>retrospectacus: i just changed it, but still no changes
14:04<Soleman>Valdyn: thanks for your help eitherway its prob more productive than me bang my head against the box and drooling
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14:05<TCW>how big is*? I mean the FS usage... any admins around? :)
14:06<valdyn>Soleman: welcome
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14:06<dpkg>debstats is managed by sussudio: (#debian freenode) and (#debian OFTC)
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14:06<kaddouri>retrospectacus: again you saved me
14:07<TCW>valdyn, wrong kind of "stats" :)
14:07<valdyn>TCW: yea, theres one factoid though
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14:07<valdyn>TCW: .. with the right stats
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14:08<ansgar>TCW: The /srv partition with it on stabile.d.o takes 1.7 TB. I think this includes some other stuff as well.
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14:11<TCW>ansgar, du -sh path/to/debian/ ? :)
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14:42<ansgar>TCW: stabile% du -sh /srv/mirrors/debian-archive/debian -> 305G
14:42<TCW>ansgar, oops... that's not nearly as much as I expected
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14:56<movl>ansgar: do you use tcsh?
14:57*gdb sees "tcsh" and recoils in horror.
14:57<movl>that was somewhat my point
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15:05<mattwimpelberg>Hey friends can anyone help me out with using SAMBA?
15:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:06<mattwimpelberg>oops sorry
15:07<mattwimpelberg>I have a problem with CUPS Im running Debian version squeeze When I try to add a printer I get the following output print job failed
15:07<mattwimpelberg>I know thats rather vague
15:07<mattwimpelberg>Maybe theres a wiki page that could help me but I don't know where to start
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15:09<mattwimpelberg>ok got it
15:09<mattwimpelberg>I guess my question would be how do I set up a SAMBA share with my windows pc in order to print from it via my linux machine
15:10<movl>the only thing I know about it is that's a pain in the ass
15:10<movl>but hopefully that wiki page will have more answers
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15:11<mattwimpelberg>thanks I appreciate it
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15:11<movl>I don't have experience with samba printing, but there are other ~500 people in here
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15:20<ansgar>movl: zsh
15:21*movl lets out a sigh of relief
15:22<mattwimpelberg>so I have the samba share ready now in the wiki it tells me to put a server name in the hostname of my printer
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15:23<movl>internet printing protocol
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15:24<mattwimpelberg>ill figure it out i think
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15:41<Jhapa>alguem pode me passar um repositorio debian do brasil que funciona
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15:42<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
15:42<mattwimpelberg>whats the server supposed to be?
15:42<mattwimpelberg>I think I have the rest of it figured out
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16:44<samantha-r->i'm trying to get three heads running in X. i've got two GTX460SEs. the main display works, but the desktop is off center -- what should be the left edge is 1/4 of the way from the right side. the left monitor is on. the right monitor remains dark. the mouse buttons don't work at all. X config here: suggestions welcome.
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16:48<ipv6Chris>Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me, I have done a dist-upgrade to wheezy on a Xen host, but booting into the 3.2 kernel breaks networking
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16:48<ipv6Chris>after dist-upgrade and a reboot it can't detect / assign a mac address for my virtual NIC
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16:51<kop>ipv6Chris: Since you're on wheezy you could try #debian-next, if no one answers here. See also the bug tracking system.
16:51<ipv6Chris>I'll give it a shot
16:51<movl>ipv6Chris: ifconfig -a?
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16:54<ipv6Chris>sorry for the pic :p
16:55<sney_>what ethernet hardware does it emulate?
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16:55<movl>ipv6Chris: does it still work with the old kernel?
16:55<ipv6Chris>1 sec I'm booting up the 2.6 kernel to check
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16:56<ipv6Chris>lspci says Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
16:56<yoshimi-pink>im running a fresh install of debian on a compaq presario cq57 and my wifi isnt working, what steps should i take?
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16:57<sney_>yoshimi-pink, first determine what wifi card you have. lspci |grep -i net may tell you
16:57<movl>ipv6Chris: I'd say it's a bug
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16:57<movl>if the old kernel works, report a bug
16:57<ipv6Chris>networking works in the old kernel
16:58<yoshimi-pink>ok got the type of card should i just google that?
16:58<ipv6Chris>what kind of card is it yoshimi-pink?
16:59<yoshimi-pink>ipv6chris: RTL8188CE
16:59<sney_>you need firmware
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17:00<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide.
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17:05<yoshimi-pink>ok i installed firmware-realtek and it's still not working
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17:08<yoshimi-pink>anyone have any ideas? :(
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17:10<ipv6Chris>this may or may not be correct but won't harm, but I would try putting non-free in your sources.list
17:10<ipv6Chris>and then apt-get update & apt-get upgrade
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17:12<SynrG>yoshimi-pink: yeah, the factoid above sayd "is available since Linux 2.6.38". are you on squeeze?
17:13<SynrG>this means you need the backports kernel
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17:14<yoshimi-pink>im on squeeze
17:15<SynrG>oh, hmm. or maybe not. at least the wiki page linked above suggests otherwise
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17:17<SynrG>yoshimi-pink: oh, actually, the wiki page does indicate you need a later kernel for your specific device. you said rtl8188ce, right?
17:17<SynrG>did you read the wiki page?
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17:17<yoshimi-pink>hold on i might have missed somthing
17:17<SynrG>rtl8192ce is in the kernel since 2.6.38
17:17<yoshimi-pink>can you link me?
17:17<SynrG>2.6.32 is squeeze's kernel
17:18<yoshimi-pink>im on squeeze so it hsouldnt be a problem right?
17:18<SynrG>it *is* a problem
17:18<SynrG>2.6.38 is more recent than 2.6.32
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17:18<SynrG>so you need the backports kernel
17:19<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>.
17:19<pixelpapst>hi all
17:19<pixelpapst>getting a build failure whan playing with the new aptitude: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgtest"
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17:19<yoshimi-pink>how can i get this newest kernal?
17:19<pixelpapst>anybody have any gtest experience ?
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17:20<SynrG>yoshimi-pink: follow the instructions to use backports as linked in the factoid above
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17:20<yoshimi-pink>oh god >.<
17:21<SynrG>yoshimi-pink: this is not terribly hard ...
17:21<Nelg|Ex>im using lenny, do i need to update?
17:21<yoshimi-pink>I can probably do it but i have comprehension problems, i get overwelmed easy
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17:22<SynrG>well, points 2 and 3 on that page are the relevant bits. the rest, you should read as well, but it really isn't a big deal
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17:22<SynrG>as for the name of package to install, what kernel flavour do you run right now? amd64?
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17:24<SynrG>aptitude install linux-image-amd64
17:24<SynrG>but you have to add backports to your sources.list and apt-get update first, as per those instructions
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17:25<yoshimi-pink>is there a chance this could mess up my computer?
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17:26<movl>pixelpapst: I'd say update LDFLAGS
17:26<yoshimi-pink>ok i did the install for the linux-image
17:27<yoshimi-pink>should it work now?
17:27<movl>yoshimi-pink: reboot
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17:28<pixelpapst>movl, yeah, but the Makefile in question is created by automake, and i cannot find where that particular LDFLAG comes from...
17:29<SynrG>movl: crap, and i forgot to indicate -t squeeze-backports in my commandline ... mind if you correct him on my behalf upon his return?
17:29<SynrG>helping daughter with homework
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17:29<movl>SynrG: no problems
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17:31<pixelpapst>it'S in the line GMOCK_LDFLAGS - so maybe i'll dig into gmock automake snippets first...
17:31<yoshimi-pink>ok so i've rebooted witht he installed linux image, should i try to install the firmware again?
17:31<pixelpapst>already tried an autoreconf btw.
17:31<movl>yoshimi-pink: SynrG forgot to mention the -t squeeze-backports option to aptitude
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17:32<retrospectacus>yoshimi-pink: SynrG made a mistake talking to you, probably don't have the kernel you need, just yet :)
17:32<yoshimi-pink>i typed that in because i was also reading the webpage
17:32<movl>so the command becomes 'aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux image && reboot'
17:32<retrospectacus>yoshimi-pink: what does "uname -a" say?
17:32<movl>yoshimi-pink: uname -r ?
17:33<yoshimi-pink>Linux NewWorld 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 22 17:26:33 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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17:33<movl>try my command
17:33<movl>aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64
17:33<movl>then reboot
17:34<retrospectacus>you need it to say 2.6.38 or higher
17:34<yoshimi-pink>that did nothing
17:34<yoshimi-pink>it says 0 upgraded 0 installed etc...
17:35<yoshimi-pink>should i add the version number i want to the command?
17:35<movl>yoshimi-pink: paste somewhere the output of ls -lh /boot/vmlinuz*
17:35<yoshimi-pink>did you mean to type linuz?
17:36<movl>type the command I give you and paste the results on
17:36<yoshimi-pink>its kinda short is it ok to paste here?
17:36<movl>how many lines?
17:36<retrospectacus>yes linuz - z because of bzip compression
17:36<movl>no matter then
17:36<yoshimi-pink>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.4M Mar 22 17:28 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64
17:37<movl>do aptitude update
17:37<movl>and vm because of virtmem support
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17:37<movl>then try again aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64
17:38<yoshimi-pink>same result
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17:39<movl>try this: aptitude -t squeeze-backports search linux-image
17:40<retrospectacus>the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" would be good too, in a pastebin
17:40<Nelg|Ex>in the repositories: do i put squeeze or stable?
17:40<retrospectacus>Nelg|Ex: recommended squeeze
17:40<dvs>Nelg|Ex: sqeeze
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17:40<yoshimi-pink>the results
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17:41<movl>yoshimi-pink: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
17:41<movl>then reboot
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17:43<yoshimi-pink>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
17:43<yoshimi-pink> linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64: Depends: linux-base (>= 3~) but 2.6.32-41squeeze2 is installed.
17:43<yoshimi-pink>it then proceeded to do nothing
17:44<yoshimi-pink>think I'll just go drown myself now
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17:44<themill>exactly what command produced that output?
17:44<movl>don't do that
17:44<Nelg|Ex>Heres my output: W: GPG error: mepis-8.0 Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E6AD81A8B9FBE3CE
17:44<yoshimi-pink>gksu aptitude -t squeeze-packports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
17:45<themill>packports or backports?
17:45<themill>Nelg|Ex: please ask #mepis on
17:46<yoshimi-pink>corrected my typo and got the same result
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17:46<themill>dpkg: tell yoshimi-pink about bat
17:47<themill>yoshimi-pink: please pastebin the extra information that dpkg suggested
17:47<chakka>Anyone running Debian Squeeze with a 3.x kernel ?
17:47<retrospectacus>chakka: from backports, yeah
17:47<peterS>chakka: lots of people do. get it from backports.
17:48<chakka>ok, will look in backportz thx!
17:48<movl>yoshimi-pink: when it asks if you accept the solution, say no
17:48<movl>then you will get the kernel and updated linux-base and initramfs to match
17:48<yoshimi-pink>it doesn't give me the chance to say yes or no
17:48<themill>(btw, you want linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 not .bpo.1 but that won't change the output)
17:49<movl>yes it does
17:49<movl>look at your paste
17:49<yoshimi-pink>yeah but it doesnt stop to let me answer
17:49<themill>unless gksu does something stupid with stdin
17:49<yoshimi-pink>just keeps going as if i said yes
17:50<movl>themill: yeah, I guess you're right
17:50<movl>by the way, why gksu?
17:50<yoshimi-pink>im not on the sudoers list apparently
17:50<retrospectacus>yoshimi-pink: just type "su" and then proceed with apt-get update && apt-get install ...
17:50<retrospectacus>!sudosmite yoshimi-pink
17:50*dpkg takes a lump of 2x4 to yoshimi-pink and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!"
17:50<movl>not apt-get
17:51<movl>go to a terminal
17:51<movl>type su -
17:51<movl>enter password
17:51<themill>yoshimi-pink: the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy linux-base initramfs-tools" would be interesting to see too
17:51<movl>type the aptitude command
17:51<movl>and be happy
17:51<movl>and f*** gksu
17:52<yoshimi-pink>it worked :'D
17:52<yoshimi-pink>im sorry im so fail guys T.T
17:52<movl>now reboot
17:53<movl>you're not
17:53<movl>it's just some *ahem* other distros suck
17:53<yoshimi-pink>i got tired of having my hand held
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17:54<movl>that's good
17:54<SynrG>today, hand-holding. tomorrow, holding others' hands.
17:54<Nelg|Ex>it says its ganna remove the xorg video. should i contiune?
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17:54<retrospectacus>Nelg|Ex: this is #debian. Go to your distro's channel
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17:54<movl>people still use mepis?
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17:56<SynrG>Nelg|Ex: wait, you're trying to "upgrade" Mepis to squeeze somehow? this is not a supported thing. if you want to install debian, do a fresh install.
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17:56<godamite>I don't care where this or where I should ask this I'm in big pile of trouble with 80 gigs of video work and I'm locked out of it. I am in deep doo doo.
17:57<SynrG>godamite: you may not care, but we do. do you run debian?
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17:58<godamite>PingyOS which goes debiant>ubuntu>mint>pinguyos so I'm guessing most of it is intact from debian.
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17:58<retrospectacus>bad guess
17:58<SynrG>!based on debian
17:58<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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17:59<Nelg|Ex>if i remove mepis repository, would that work?
17:59<SynrG>Nelg|Ex: no
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17:59<SynrG>Nelg|Ex: you're welcome to try, but i predict disaster
18:00<SynrG>Nelg|Ex: also, even if you seem to succeed, you'll likely have a litany of problems thereafter because you don't have pure debian but some bastard hybrid
18:00<themill>godamite: there's a #pinguyos on that might be of assistance
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18:00<SynrG>Nelg|Ex: and good luck getting support for that
18:00<godamite>right thanks tah!
18:00<SynrG>Nelg|Ex: no, the only *sane* thing to do is a fresh install of debian
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18:02<SynrG>so, best case: the illusion of success (which can be more dangerous than outright failure). worst case: complete and utter failure.
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18:08<Nelg|Ex>it said i have "held" broken packages.
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18:09<retrospectacus>Nelg|Ex: don't bother us with your distro-mixing problems
18:09<ipv6Chris>what is so wrong with doing a reinstall?
18:09<movl>it cannot possibly work
18:10<themill>next you'll tell us that you're also trying to crossgrade from i386 to amd64 at the same time for extra lulz
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18:35<scorphus>proftpd is a pain to install configure, isn't there a simple straight forward ftp server I can use? thanks for any tips
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18:36<sney_>scorphus, if you just want network file transfer and don't need *ftp* specifically, sftp is way easier
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18:38<retrospectacus>scorphus: ftp is the worst, use anything else.
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18:39<sney_>there are a couple bass ackwards web CMS packages that require ftp to access their own files
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18:40<retrospectacus>delete them :P
18:41<scorphus>ok, thanks =)
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18:43<brandon2010>ok i need help i have 2 computers one running backtrack and the other running av linux i have a wireless adapter on backtrack for internet and want to setup a network so the other one will connect to the internet without a router is this possible???
18:43<brando753>anythings possible with linux :D
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18:44<brandon2010>does anybody know how to do it
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18:45<sney_>brandon2010, please go to the correct channel for the distribution you are using
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18:46<brandon2010>i thought i was cause one OS is debian
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18:47<sney_>backtrack is backtrack, av linux is av linux, neither one is debian if you didn't get your installer from
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18:48<nevyn>is it still debian if you add the d-m repos?
18:48<brandon2010>ok could you point me to where to look
18:48<sney_>brandon2010, start in #backtrack-linux on, I don't know where to look for av linux
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18:48<chitchat>Hi there. I've just upgraded from lenny to squeeze and it's resulted in a host of little problems that I'd like to ask for help to resolve (the right way). Also, it might be useful info to the maintainers. What is the right forum for this? Just ask individual questions here?
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18:49<combinator>Hi guys.I have problem with routing on my Debian server.Can I ask here? (sorry for my English)
18:49<sney_>chitchat, yeah, ask here
18:49<retrospectacus>chitchat: yes go ahead. One at a time please
18:49<sney_>combinator, you too, but there might be a specific channel for your language as well
18:49<themill>chitchat: let's solve one problem at a time
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18:51<chitchat>Ok. The first is that gdm could not find X11. Error: gdm: Xerver not found. It is looking in /usr/X1R6/bin/X. whereis X turns up /usr/bin/X
18:52<chitchat>Should I just symlink?
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18:53<chitchat>Sorry, typo. s/X1R6/X11R6/
18:54<sney_>lenny shouldn't have any X11R6 leftovers I don' think
18:55<sney_>was this system upgraded from any other releases previously?
18:55<chitchat>sney: No, it was originally lenny
18:55<brando753>I am trying to get phpmyadmin to work on Debian wheezy though after I login i simply get Server error
18:55<brando753>The website encountered an error while retrieving It may be down for maintenance or configured incorrectly.
18:56<chitchat>sney: and I kept it reasonably upgraded with upgrade and dist-upgrade, until it reached EOL. And I also followed the upgrade instructions given earlier
18:56<retrospectacus>brando753: check the apache logs
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18:57<sney_>chitchat, with big stuff like X it sometimes helps to reinstall it entirely. it's a fast solution if you have the bandwidth to spare.
18:57<chitchat>sney: And I can also start X with startx (though there is still some weirdness there I need to resolve), so it seems like a gdm issue, which should have been upgraded
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18:58<chitchat>sney: Sure, the bandwidth doesn't worry me. Just all the dependencies and things that can break when you do so
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18:58<chitchat>sney: But I don't reckon the main problem is X11. It looks like gdm
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19:00<chitchat>Ok, looks like I can fix /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, but it should not have been broken in the first place
19:00<sney_>did you get any gdm.conf update warnings while dist-upgrading?4
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19:02<chitchat>sney: I don't think so, but then, I wasn't staring at the screen while it did the dist-upgrade
19:02<chitchat>Is it looked somewhere for me to have a look?
19:02<themill>if you edited that file in the past, then it would not be updated in the dist-upgrade process
19:02<TCW>chitchat, ls -l /etgdm/gdm.conf*
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19:03<sney_>I was referring to the "this file is not the same as the one installed by the maintainer, do you want to replace it with the new one, y c n etc
19:03<chitchat>themill: Yes, but it should have stopped to ask me. And for those that it asked, I made a copy of the file and let it clobber. But it never asked about this file
19:03<chitchat>sney: Yes, and I let it
19:03<chitchat>(answered Y to all after making backups)
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19:06<combinator>sney: I use two Internet Providers on my server. I have two Public IP's on my eth0(WAN) and three subnets on my eth1(LAN).Now I use default GW from first provider and I want use second GW for specific subnet from my second provider. I try it by iptables,but I need set up route for the specific subnet,but I dont know how.If it is incorrect question, so I'm very sorry.
19:06<chitchat>Looks like I can easily fix it by editing the file, but I wanted to check to see what the right action is (for next time when it tries to upgrade). Should I just change it /usr/X11R6/bin/X -> /usr/bin/X11/X or symlink /usr/bin/X11 to /usr/X11R6/bin?
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19:07<themill>chitchat: it should be pointing to /usr/bin/X
19:08<retrospectacus>brando753: what a mess. Dunno how you managed that. Where did "ming.ini" come from?
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19:09<chitchat>themill: Thanks. Weird that it would not update this
19:09<brando753>retrospectacus, its a brand new install
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19:10<retrospectacus>brando753: false. Debian does not have any /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/ming.ini
19:11<themill>(actually, php5-ming ships that file)
19:11<brando753>well I installed my standard php , apache, and mysql files
19:11<daniel_>alguem escreve em portugues
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19:11<themill>!ubuntu-br daniel_
19:11<dpkg>daniel_: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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19:12<retrospectacus>weird. apt-file didn't find it
19:12<themill>retrospectacus: remember that php has symlinked config directories
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19:14<themill>That long list of segfaults makes me wonder if this is the php5.4 transition at work
19:14<retrospectacus>ahh ok I see it
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19:15<brando753>well this is wheezy and not stable, so not sure if thats part of it....
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19:16<themill>brando753: you should try unloading all php modules until you get a non-segfaulting server and then add them in until you work out what module is causing that. Checking the bts would also be smart.
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19:19<brando753>I see I just enabled them all so disable all modules then enable one at a time
19:20<pixelpapst>movl, i tried to dig a bit deeper for the aptitude build, but gtest and gmock linking is a bit of a mess overall
19:20<pixelpapst>for now, I just built it with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck
19:20<pixelpapst>if and when i have time to dig further, i'll write an email to the aptitude list
19:20<pixelpapst>thanks for your help so far
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21:33<dpkg>i heard l is the english version of the greek letter lambda, as used by Alonzo Church in creating his lambda calculus.
21:36<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, m is (lower case) a metric thousandth or (upper case) a metric million or (greek) a metric millionth, or compile as a module in a kernel configuration. And also James Bond's boss. MUMPS, A programming language with extensive tools for the support of database management systems.
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21:37<dpkg>well, f is a letter of the alphabet, or m*a
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22:52<jazzmans>Hi all, can anyone assist me getting an Audigy pci sound card running under debian sid amd64? I had an audigy 2 running an hour ago, but can't seem to get the audigy to output anything.
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23:03<edilson>my name is Edilson
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23:04<edilson>Tem alguem do brasil?
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23:35<samantha-->so i'm still trying to get three heads running. i have two GTX460SEs with two monitors on one, and one on the other. nvidia-xconfig generated a config file that makes the two monitors on the SECONDARY card work properly, but the single monitor on the primary card doesn't work at all. suggestions welcome?
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