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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-04-02

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02:38<marasy>could anyone help me with a raid array
02:40<kazuma>marasy: information might help, and perhaps someone can :)
02:40<Infiltrator>!anyone
02:40<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
02:40<Infiltrator>!ask
02:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
02:41<nevyn>marasy: real, fake, or software?
02:41<marasy>well whenever i boot my drive names, /dev/sda etc., are randomized, so it breaks my raid
02:41<marasy>software
02:41<marasy>so i think i need to force my boot to a certain name?
02:41<nevyn>what are the partitiontypes set to?
02:41<nevyn>hell no.
02:42<marasy>i set them to the linux auto raid
02:42<marasy>through fdisk
02:42<nevyn>so why does the array not assemble?
02:42<marasy>because
02:42<marasy>after i reboot /dev/sde became /dev/sdg
02:42<marasy>so its missing that drive
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02:44<nevyn>but you're assembling the raid by uuid right?
02:44<marasy>i didn't, but should i?
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02:46<nevyn>that should make this whole problem go-away
02:46<nevyn>are you using usb drives?
02:46<marasy>sata
02:46<nevyn>hrm
02:46<marasy>but i'll try that now
02:47<marasy>all the drives in that i'm using in the array have the exact same UUIDs
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02:50<jm_>marasy: are you using mdadm?
02:50<marasy>yes
02:51<jm_>check what DEVICE is set to
02:52<marasy>sorry i'm unsure of how to do that
02:52<jm_>grep DEVICE /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
02:53<marasy>oh, its set to a list of /dev/* drives
02:53<marasy>do you need me to list them
02:53<jm_>uncomment it or set it to partitions: DEVICE partitions
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02:53<marasy>its already set that way
02:54<jm_>no I mean that literally
02:54<jm_>not "DEVICE /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1" but "DEVICE partitions"
02:54<jm_>see man mdadm.conf
02:54<marasy>well i have both
02:54<marasy>DEVICE partitions then the list on line 2
02:54<marasy>so remove the list?
02:54<nevyn>comment it.
02:55<marasy>k
02:56<marasy>done
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03:00<ashu>hello
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03:27<Dauzz>how to make fast booting on my debian ?
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03:28<jm_>Dauzz: the easiest is to buy better hardware
03:28<ayaka>Dauzz let grub don't wait :)
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03:32<Dauzz>ayaka: helpp meee :D
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03:36<kazuma>Dauzz: http://packages.debian.org/sid/readahead-fedora
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03:38<ayaka>Dauzz i don't what you want, as jm_ said, off thing in bios may help and use ssd disk more ram better cpu
03:39<jm_>i simply used suspend to disk when i still had a regular hard disk
03:39<ayaka>jm_ oh, supend to ram is another way,isn't it
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03:40<jm_>ayaka: well sure but then you can't power it off
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03:41<ayaka>jm_ yes, and you will need an ups
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03:47<ayaka>but the format system for ssd, is ext4 ok
03:47<ayaka>s/format/file
03:47<kazuma>i would use ext4, but im no expert
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03:50<ayaka>kazuma i see thank you
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03:50<ayaka>jm_ thank you
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03:55<devil>ayaka: ext4 is fine for SSD
03:55<devil>it supports TRIM
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03:56<jm_>i just use wiper.sh with ext3
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04:22<gerdos>Hello
04:23<gerdos>I want to install conky, but it sems it isnt in the default repository. Where can i find a repository from here i can install it? And how can i add the repo?
04:24<jm_>it is, in contrib
04:24<anbe>,versions conky
04:24<judd>Package: conky on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.0-2+lenny1; squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.8.1-5~bpo60+1; sid: 1.8.1-6; wheezy: 1.8.1-6
04:24<ayaka>devil thank you
04:25<ayaka>but in sd card solution, shall i use ext2 as sd card don't support trim
04:25<gerdos>jm_:sudo apt-get install conky : packafe not found
04:27<jm_>gerdos: see above, pay attention to "contrib"
04:29<ayaka>I rememember my problem, the compiz in wiki way can't start auto,must use fuse-icon
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04:29<ayaka>s/my/a
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04:32<docwo>hello
04:32<docwo>any one there ?
04:32<docwo>i need help ?
04:33<ayaka>!ask
04:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:33<docwo>ok Thanks
04:35<docwo> i have problem to upgard my VLC ( sorry i am noob in linux ) i m running debian 6.0.4 Squeez
04:36<ayaka>,version vlc
04:36<judd>Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; wheezy: 2.0.0-6; sid: 2.0.1-4; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.0
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04:36<ayaka>docwo which version do you want, newer than above
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04:36<docwo>My VLC version is : 1.1.3
04:37<docwo>i want the 2.0
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04:37<docwo>but when tape apt-get install vlc
04:38<docwo>he say me : vlc is already the newest version.
04:38<docwo>libdvdcss2 is already the newest version.
04:38<docwo>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 18 not upgraded.
04:38<docwo>N: Ignoring file 'google-chrome.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
04:38<docwo>N: Ignoring file 'opera.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
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04:39<docwo>sorry my english is poor and i try to use IRC !! :(
04:39<lelebart^awayfordinner>hi, finally i have a lamp server: i want a directory inside my home ('htdocs') with the contents of /var/www . i tried " ln -s ~/htdocs /var/www " but i get only a symlink inside a /var/www: /htdocs -> /home/{username}/htdocs . where i was wrong?
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04:39<ayaka>docwo i am not english native also, may you shod try backport
04:40<ayaka>!bdo
04:40<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
04:40<gruetzkopf>hello
04:40<docwo>so you have see what i have tape !!
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04:41<gruetzkopf>my thinkpads nm-applet tells me wireless networks are disabled, but it recognized the 2 adapters the tp has, and the checkbox for enabling wifi is greyed out
04:41<docwo>ok how i use backports ?
04:41<ayaka>docwo see what dpkg said
04:42<nodots>why when I type "chroot ./" does it say "chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory"
04:42<docwo>is chanel ??
04:42<docwo>ayaka ?? i serche chanel IRC ?
04:42<ayaka>docwo no,dpkg said it is an repository
04:43<lelebart>damn, i forget the " -t "
04:43<docwo>ok
04:43<gruetzkopf>cause there is no ./bin/bash
04:43<nodots>gruetzkopf: "/bin/bash" would be valid before and during a chroot session
04:44<docwo>then i must add this repository to my sources list ?
04:44<ayaka>docwo if you want to use new version
04:44<docwo>ok !!
04:44<docwo>Thanks
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04:45<ayaka>you are welcome
04:47<nodots>how would I go about troubleshooting my chroot issue?
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04:49<lelebart>what a fool i am. obviously i fail: i already have an 'htdocs' dir. :(
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04:49<lelebart>!coffee
04:49<dpkg>rumour has it, coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el , http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee.html , geiseri's favorite beverage, smells better than it tastes.
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04:51<nodots>nm, bash is a dynamically linked elf...
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04:57<ayaka>nodots how do you make the chroot directory
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04:58<Ariel>hy
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05:05<Guest349>I need some article or howto or anything about Debian 2.0 Hamm.
05:05<Guest349>Graphic surface installation howto, Debian 2.0 manual. I need things like
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05:06<ayaka>it is too old, nobody use it
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05:10<jm_>Guest244: you mean configuring X?
05:11<Guest349>yes
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05:13<jm_>hamm was all about configuring it by hand, you'll need to write XF86Config file manually
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05:16<gruetzkopf>my thinkpads nm-applet tells me wireless networks are disabled, but it recognized the 2 adapters the tp has, and the checkbox for enabling wifi is greyed out
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05:17<Guest349>available about some howto?
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05:18<Guest349>about xf86Config
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05:20<jm_>I don't remember, but finding an old XF86Config file to use as an example shouldn't be that hard
05:21<orzo>hello. I'm using :i386 on the package name to get an i386 package with apt on my amd64 system. But it complains that dpends wont be installed. Why not and how do I fix it so that they are also fetched and installed?
05:21<orzo>(Debian Wheezy)
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05:21<orzo>is that just not yet implemented?
05:21<gruetzkopf>cant enable it either
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05:26<Zee_9>whats the topic?
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05:33<Guest349>this is not good for me? : http://archive.debian.net/hamm/x11/xserver-s3v
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05:36<Guest349>i install the hamm, than install the xserver-s3v_3.3.2.3-2.deb package with dpkg?
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05:40<ivanov4>hi all :)
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05:42<gnugr>Guest349: why hamm, current release is squeeze
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05:47<ayaka>can 94.75.67.37. in-addr.arpa regard as a domain used for ssl
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06:06<docwo>irc://irc.nanami.fr/editotaku/
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06:25<Black_Prince>ayaka: that is not a domain ... that's just reverse dns stuff
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06:30<Black_Prince>thank you, mater
06:30<Black_Prince>master*
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06:47<ayaka>Black_Prince so i need a really domain, but what is reverse lookup
06:48<Black_Prince>google it
06:49<ayaka>i know it, i should ask the ip address can't be used in ssl
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06:51<ayaka>I copy that style from a passage talking bind, i know it is an revserse lookup, but how that style come
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06:59<lnik>can anybody help me with a remote capi related problem?
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07:12<naturm>hi
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07:13<project2501a>hey guys. i am trying to alter the way ldconfig uses libraries. i got some ISV-compiled libraries, libxml2 for example, which i would like to be picked up *after* the system libraries. looks like they get picked before. any solutions.
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07:15<jm_>project2501a: ld.so can help you find out - see man dl.so, LD_DEBUG etc.
07:17<project2501a>jm_: thank you!
07:17<project2501a>rtfiming
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07:21<jm_>project2501a: where did you put these other libs btw?
07:21<project2501a>their own separate dir
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07:22<project2501a>it's the no machine server, basically
07:22<project2501a>it has a bunch of libraries compiled itself, under /usr/NX/lib
07:23<project2501a>the system libs are not good enough for the program to run, it has been compiled to use it's own. i had to add a file under /etc/ld.so.conf.d . but now, it appears like the nx libraries are lookup up first, instead of the system libraries.
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07:24<jm_>right, that's looked at first
07:24<project2501a>mmm. is there anyway to alter the behavior?
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07:26<jm_>there are several options - set env vars when using nx stuff is probably the simplest
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07:27<project2501a>bit of a pain. i am setting this up for a senior scientist (over 60) who he just wants to click-click-click his way to discovery
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07:27<project2501a>i guess that is up ro reading the ld.so stuff
07:27<victorx>Hello
07:28<jm_>shouldn't be a problem if you wrap it via scripts
07:28<project2501a>jm_: let me ask, if i wanted to discuss this behavior, which i think would be beneficial, who should i go talk to? the ldconfig maintainer?
07:28<project2501a>true. but i always think that a simple file with a path in it, would be much more easy to deal with.
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07:28<project2501a>like /etc/ld.so.conf.d/_this_application_uses_these_libraries_in_this_order
07:29<jm_>project2501a: the right way is to build stuff like this properly - make it install in its own target dir (say /opt/foo or /usr/local/foo) and use rpath so that binaries know where to find the libs
07:30<project2501a>path, you say?
07:30<project2501a>rpath, even
07:30*project2501a rtfms
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07:31<jm_>man ld.so discusess rpath too
07:31<jm_>and man ld
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07:32<project2501a>thank you!
07:32*project2501a sends beer
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07:34<jm_>no worries
07:34<project2501a>man, oh, man, i *really* got to finish that damn apress gcc book! half this stuff is inside the book.
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07:34<project2501a>life of a sysadmin; reading never stops
07:34<jm_>also note this: chrpath - Tool to edit the rpath in ELF binaries
07:34<project2501a>saw it, when i apt-cache search rpath
07:34<project2501a>jm_: quick question, please:
07:35<project2501a>so i cannot run ld on the binaries on their own and re-link them. chrpath edits the binaries.
07:35<project2501a>hmmmmm. i wonder why that is. it makes quite some sense to have ld do the 'editing'
07:36<jm_>project2501a: no, ld doesn't do that
07:37<project2501a>wonder why...
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08:12<lnik>hey, what packages would i need if i wanted to use debian as faxserver with a fritzbox via ethernet?
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08:14<babilen>HylaFax and Asterisk come to mind -- Can't help you with that though.
08:14<mithun>jhvkj
08:14<mithun>n;nn;n\n;
08:14<mithun>n;n;n;n;n
08:14<mithun>knklnkn
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08:14<babilen>mithun: Please fix your keyboard as you seem unable to type coherent messages.
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08:18<lnik>babilen: i tried hylafax already, my problem is that hylafax normaly only supports seriell ports
08:18<lnik>and capi4hylafax couldnt connect to my fritzbox
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08:52<pas>irc://irc.uragano.org/gli_intoccabili
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08:56<gdstuff>hi guys, i'd like to upgrade upgrade as i'm on 5.0.10. i'm not too experienced, so is there a good guide for it?
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08:57<gdstuff>do i need to change my sources list and get rid of all the lenny stuff in it?
08:57<themill>dpkg, lenny->squeeze
08:57<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
08:57<themill>gdstuff: ^^ that's a quick overview. The release notes are worth reading as they go into more detail. Keep backups, /msg dpkg release notes
08:58<gdstuff>got my backup. currently running on 2.6.36.2
08:58<gdstuff>so can i just replace "lenny" with "squeeze" in the sources.list?
08:58<themill>gdstuff: ok, if you're already running your own newer kernel, then you don't need to do the extra step of ensuring that you have a new enough kernel that dpkg mentions there.
08:59<themill>gdstuff: no, you don't just do that replacement... as you can see, there are quite a few other steps to consider too.
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09:00<gdstuff>sure, but when i update my sources.list, can i just replace the names? or do i need to change more in there?
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09:01<movl>nope
09:01<gdstuff>cool, thx guys! i think that should be enough :0
09:01<gdstuff>:)
09:01<gdstuff>cheers!
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09:02<gdstuff>it's not worth upgrading the kernel to sid, is it?
09:03<gdstuff>if i'm just a simple end user
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09:03<nevyn>you can't.
09:04<gdstuff>ah ok
09:04<gdstuff>thx
09:04<nevyn>the kernel in sid requires other stuff in sid
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09:05<themill>if you truly need a newer kernel, then /msg dpkg bdo kernel; if you don't really need it, then sticking with squeeze's kernel (2.6.32) is fine
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09:05<nevyn>!sid upgrade
09:05<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>.
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09:05<nevyn>ooh I wonder if I can pass it
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09:07<woootitsworking>It's working! It's working!
09:07<woootitsworking> :3
09:07<nevyn>bah that's too easy.
09:07<woootitsworking> :<
09:07<kooll>woootitsworking: congratulations :)
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09:07<woootitsworking>xD
09:08<woootitsworking>Bloody glibc is a pain in the arse
09:08<nevyn>didn't elibc become the libc of choice?
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09:08<woootitsworking>Did it?
09:08<themill>,source libc6
09:08<judd>Package libc6 in squeeze -- source: eglibc
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09:10<gdstuff>dpkg> Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! << aight, sir! :)
09:10<dpkg>gdstuff: okay
09:10<gdstuff>thx
09:11<themill>dpkg, forget repeat after me: sid
09:11<dpkg>i forgot repeat after me: sid, themill
09:11<nevyn>!sid upgrade
09:11<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>.
09:11<ayaka>what are you doing with dpkg
09:12<woootitsworking>dpkg, you're an ass.
09:12<dpkg>woootitsworking: no idea
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09:13<ayaka>dpkg became an human?
09:13<dpkg>ayaka: i haven't a clue
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09:15<gdstuff>after apt-get update i'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/GFHJicRc
09:15<gdstuff>sorry for being a dumbass :p
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09:16<themill>gdstuff: don't the release notes tell you that "volatile" doesn't exist any more?
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09:16<gdstuff>i should have read all of them, shouldn't i? ;)
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09:17<ayaka>themill could you tell what you have done with dpkg
09:18<diraol1>Hi friends, i'm with a strange trouble on my Debian server.... i don't know how and why, but my system that was running ok just became "read only filesystem" and i can't do nothing, not even reboot the server.
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09:19<ayaka>diraol1 remount
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09:19<diraol1>how can i do it with the system online?
09:19<miticko>does anyone have time to help me set up a mail server?
09:20<ayaka>diraol1 mount -t remount,rw /
09:20<ayaka>it can online,then check and modify your fstab
09:21<diraol1>ayaka i've got "-su: /bin/mount: i/o error"
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09:21<babilen>miticko: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" should give you something to work with. See also http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html and /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian.gz
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09:21<miticko>thanks babilen :) i'll go read up :)
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09:22<diraol1>i can't even run "less" or "cat" commands...
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09:31<ayaka>diraol1 reinstall debian
09:31<ayaka>you may get an disk error
09:32<diraol1>ayaka =( i'll try to reboot the server manually, but i've to to the datacenter....
09:32<diraol1>I'll try rebooting it, if it doesn't work i'll try to boot from a live OS and use fsck.ext4 ....
09:32<diraol1>ayaka thanks for your help :)
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09:57<ayaka>you are welcome
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10:11<skiold>weird, /usr/share/keyrings/ empty after starting my custom debian ec2 AMI
10:12<themill>you'd expect the debian-archive-keyring package at least to drop keyrings in there
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10:13<skiold>yep, that was the case before bundling. I recall something similar happening to me while packing xen images a while ago
10:14<skiold>I'm just monkey-patching it by shipping a debian-archive-keyring copy and doing 'dpkg -i' on first boot
10:14<ribe>has anyone noticed any changes with the Adobee or PDF files in Debian?
10:15<ribe>I send mine to non-linux users and they can see tham?
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10:31<tosted>hi everyone...
10:31<tosted>!reconfigure
10:31<dpkg>reconfigure is probably really dpkg-reconfigure <pkg>
10:31<tosted>!reconfigure all packages
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10:32<tosted>!reconfigure all packages for new linux image installed!
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10:32<themill>how about asking your real question
10:33<tosted>themill, since i ve updated new linux-image some packs are broken!
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10:34<themill>Can you pastebin some real output so we know what you're talking about?
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10:34<tosted>themill, for example, network-manager do not recognize any wlan0 device,
10:35<tosted>themill, gnome applets do not work sometimes.
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10:35<mattwimpelberg>how do I install a gdm theme
10:35<themill>tosted: so that's not broken packages at all then
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10:36<ayaka>will drdbadm create-md drbd0 create drbd0 using what disk i defined in resource
10:36<tosted>well, i did not have use all then today...
10:37<gnugr>tosted: are you running squeeze?
10:37<themill>tosted: let's start again. Precisely what did you upgrade from and to?
10:37<tosted>themill, if i select another linux image, all looks like fine.
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10:38<tosted>gnugr, Stable.
10:38<gnugr>tosted: with bpo?
10:38<tosted>themill, linux-image-2.6.32.amd64
10:39<tosted>gnugr, no backports!
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10:39<babilen>heh
10:39<babilen>bpo = bdo = backports
10:39<themill>that's not very precise :(
10:40<sney_>tosted, remember, themill is not at your computer with you. you will have to tell him exactly what you did, or he will not be able to help
10:40<babilen>tosted: Could you provide more information about your problems and the steps you've performed before that? If you installed a new kernel image you might, for example, want to paste the output of "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" to http://paste.debian.net along with the output of "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list
10:40<ayaka>how to know how much dpkg bot know, and search key in it
10:41<sney_>!search the bot
10:41<tosted>babilen, some minutes i ll be there.
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10:41<themill>dpkg: tell ayaka about search dpkg
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10:42<babilen>tosted: You've hinted at problems with network-manager. Is it working without network-manager? (e.g. Can you scan for networks with "iwlist wlan0 scan" (make sure the interface is up)) ? What is your wireless adaptor? (output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network") ... etc etc etc
10:42<ayaka>sney themill thank you
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10:44<tosted>babilen, eth0 auto recognize (wired Lan)and working.
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10:44<tosted>babilen, my wifi device is a atheros usb adapter.
10:45<tosted>babilen, my wifi device is a atheros usb adapter. AR 9271
10:45<sml>hi all. i run Debian on a dedicated server I pay for and it has quite a lot of resources so I'd like to make a few VMs to have a play. can anyone recommend what vm solutions there are available to me ?
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10:45<sney_>!tell sml about virtualization
10:45<sney_>sml, the channel bot has sent you some information
10:46<babilen>tosted: So, what is not working with network-manager? What did you do before? What is the output of all the commands I mentioned earlier?
10:49<sml>sney_: thanks
10:49<sney_>np
10:49<sml>sney_: is there anything in summary that you would recommend yourself? i've used VirtualBOx but the box I want to use to host the Vms, I access via ssh.
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10:50<sney_>xen is popular. I dont have a lot of experience with it personally though.
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10:51<sml>sney_: do I not have to run a custom kernel for that? I have a box I can use but it already has debian installed and i'm using it for SMTP, NS, and apache. I just want to add VM serviecs to it if I can because it has good connectivity and plenty of space.
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10:52<sml>Though I see there is a headless mode..
10:52<jordanm>sml: just additional modules
10:52<jordanm>sml: you should run any services other than the VM software on the host node
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10:52<sney_>sml, all the xen components are available through apt, you don't need anything custom
10:52<jordanm>sml: your smtp/dns/http stack needs to go in one of the guests
10:52<@Ganneff>sml: use kvm and read what dpkg wrote :)
10:53<jordanm>well, it doesn't *need* to, but it should
10:54<tosted>babilen, http://pastebin.com/mbPi3ycN
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10:54<babilen>!tell tosted -about pastebin.com
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10:55<tosted>babilen, what were wrong?
10:55<sml>sney_: useful to know.
10:55<sml>Ganneff: I shall. thanks! it does say that kvm is mostly for laptops.. ?
10:55<@Ganneff>errwhat?
10:55<sml>"Qemu and KVM - Mostly used on Desktops/Laptops."
10:56<@Ganneff>right, the wiki page does say so, but thats utter stupid
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10:57<babilen>tosted: I only see that a single kernel is installed. Your sources.list is slightly suboptimal though in that you use "stable" and not "squeeze" in there. You mentioned that you upgraded your kernel earlier. From which version to which version did you upgrade it? Were you running lenny before? What is the output of "aptitude search ~U ; aptitude search ~o ; aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' ; dpkg -l ...
10:57<sml>It would be nice if I wasn't already running services on the host node but I don't know what to do about that. Other than do as jordanm says and migrate those services to a guest
10:57<babilen>... libc6 | tail -n1 ; cat /etc/debian_version" ? (paste it to http://paste.debian.net !!!)
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10:58<sml>Ganneff: you wrote the KVM article? Does it still hold true for Squeeze?
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10:59<@Ganneff>no i didnt write that page, but i just adjusted the wiki
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11:00<@Ganneff>sml: and you can easily go and startup a few kvm besides existing stuff. though yes, its best if you put all into vms over time
11:02<sml>Ganneff: okie dokes. you think this will be a better solution in the longterm? kvm is basically kernel level virt right? and virtualbox is user land x86 emulation?
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11:03<@Ganneff>along that, si
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11:03<sml>Ganneff: I'm adding the VMs as an afterthough because even though I'm hosting 10 sites I have about 250 GB of RAID-1'd disk left, and about 4GB RAM. not even toughing my bandwidth quota. may as well have a play with a few vms.
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11:04<jordanm>I wouldn't if that box is "production"
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11:06<@Ganneff>kvm is fine to use in production - but yes, you dont want to "play around". you wanna know it when you use it
11:06<sml>jordanm: it is in production but production is defined as 'providing a few basic sites for my neighbour, girlfriend, mate, family, etc"
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11:06<sml>I don't run a business on it
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11:06<@Ganneff>then its fine to play
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11:06<sml>and also the playing around should be confined to the sandboxed VMs right?
11:07<@Ganneff>sml: well, if you do it wrong you CAN shoot your whole server. depends on what you do.
11:07<sml>I also have three spare IPs I'm not using so it's very tempting
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11:07<sml>Ganneff: Oh can you? THat doesn't sound good
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11:09<sml>well I do backup my MySQL database nightly to a remote VPS. but even so,...
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11:11<jordanm>mysql only backups will keep you somewhat safe from data loss, but not from more dowtime than you would want
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11:18<sml>Ganneff: you say if you do it wrong. what pitfalls are there to lookout for? (so i don't make them! :)
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11:22<tosted>what is the "Pin: release a=" for squeeze? it is just Pin: release a=squeeze??
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11:27<tosted>yes, tosted
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11:28<sml>right. am off. thanks all
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11:39<tosted>babilen, Network-manager gnome does not show wifi devices!!!
11:39<tosted>why???
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11:40<ayaka>tosted what lspci show
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11:41<tosted>ayaka, i have an usb wifi adapter!
11:41<ayaka>then lsusb
11:42<tosted>ayaka,
11:42<tosted>
11:42<tosted>ayaka, Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0cf3:9271 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.1
11:42<themill>tosted: did you have to do something in particular to get that dongle working in the past?
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11:43<ayaka>can you caught you screen in network_manage
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11:44<tosted>themill, no man.., nothing i can remember...after debian install, i ve installed firmware-atheros and always got working well...
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11:44<tosted>ayaka,
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11:45<tosted>there is " enable network...
11:45<gnugr>tosted: what about firmware-iwlwifi?
11:45<tosted>gnugr,
11:45<tosted>gnugr, wait a second
11:45<themill>gnugr: umm... how would that help him with that wireless card?
11:45<gnugr>tosted:dit you run "update-initramfs -u"?
11:46<ayaka>even usb wireless need firmware, i don't it first time
11:46<tosted>gnugr, that firmware are not installed!
11:46<tosted>installing now.
11:46<gnugr>yes
11:46<gnugr>frirmware-linux-nonfree as well
11:46<tosted>reloading network and dbus....
11:46<themill>that firmware is for intel wireless chips. I can't see it being helpful for Atheros wireless chips, can you?
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11:47<babilen>tosted: Did you upgrade that box from lenny to squeeze? Was it installed as lenny and not upgraded? Was it installed as squeeze? What is the output of the (very long) command I asked you about a couple of minutes ago?
11:47<ayaka>gnugr that command is used for creating initramfs , why it make efford here
11:47<babilen>tosted: Can you scan for wireless networks with "iwlist wlan0 scan" (make sure that the interface is up!)
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11:48<tosted>babilen, "iwlist: unknown command"
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11:48<themill>tosted: it's in /sbin
11:49<ayaka>tosted do you a root
11:49<babilen>tosted: Run it as root and make sure that you bring up the interface first. ("ifconfig wlan0 scan" or "ip link set wlan0 up")
11:49<babilen>tosted: Please also provide the cornucopia of information I asked you about earlier.
11:49<tosted>ayaka, sudoers
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11:50<tosted>babilen, pastebin...
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11:50<babilen>tosted: .oO( http://paste.debian.net )
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11:50<tosted>babilen, http://pastebin.com/b814ybE7
11:51<babilen>tosted: Please stop using pastebin.com as I refuse to look at it. *Please* use http://paste.debian.net
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11:51<tosted>i ve lost connection. xchat did not log the chat. sorry about that!
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11:51<themill>tosted: can you unplug the device, plug it in again and then pastebin the output of dmesg | tail -n40
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11:52<tosted>themill, babilen , pastebin or paste.debian???
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11:52<tosted>you decide!
11:52<babilen>tosted: And please tell us more about the kernel upgrade you performed earlier. I have the impression that you are working on a halfway upgraded lenny machine, but can't be entirely sure about that.
11:53<babilen>tosted: http://paste.debian.net (as mentioned 20 times by now :)
11:53<themill>tosted: paste.debian.net please
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11:54<tosted>babilen, themill http://paste.debian.net/161773/
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11:59<tosted>babilen, paste.debian says Could not add your entry to the paste database:
11:59<tosted>Length of code is not allowed to exceed 90kb
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12:00<tosted>babilen, for aptitude search ~U ; aptitude search ~o ; aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' ; dpkg -l
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12:00<babilen>tosted: Split it into multiple pastes please. Make sure it is obvious which output was produced by which command. (split at ";" that is)
12:01<tosted>babilen, pastebin accepts... :P
12:01<babilen>tosted: Err, and it is *not* "dpkg -l" but "dpkg -l libc6|tail -n1"
12:01<themill>tosted: (babilen's line got cut in two when he asked you to run that command)
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12:02<babilen>tosted: followed by "cat /etc/debian_version" -- Please also just tell me in your *own* words if you installed that machine as lenny or squeeze.
12:02<babilen>themill: Ugh, right, argh!
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12:03<tosted>sorry about that guys.
12:03<kop>I'm wondering if, when making a swap partition with lvm it's better to have the blocks contiguous. Any comment?
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12:06<tosted>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/161774/
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12:08*themill would prefer to see the entire output not the edited highlights
12:09<gnugr>themill:firmware-atheros is not required in this case?
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12:09<themill>gnugr: firmware-atheros *is* required.
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12:10<tosted>AR9271, gnugr
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12:10<tosted>without that firmware, ls usb do not recognize adapter!
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12:11<naths>quit
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12:12<babilen>tosted: What is the output of "dpkg -l libc6|tail -n1" ? Why didn't you paste it? Does "aptitude search ~U ; aptitude search ~o ; aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" not produce *any* output? What about your kernel upgrade? What did you do before the wireless adaptor stopped working?
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12:13<tosted>i need back to hospital now! private msg to me, please if any help to solve my problem, please!
12:13<babilen>huh?!
12:13<tosted>thanks for everyone involved!
12:13<babilen>tosted: Ok, err. Good luck!
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12:39<salex>I installed Lubuntu 12.04 but 'I can not install adobe fluashplugin installer, who can help me?
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12:39<themill>salex: you want #ubuntu+1 on irc.freenode.net
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12:53<memento>Hi, since the last xorg upgrade the desktop is different, all the windows I open go to the upper left corner, and the panel changes with each window, and the pointer is an X, is there a way to go back before the upgrade, I use wheezy with xfce dekstop, should I change the desktop?
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12:54<sney_>memento, wheezy support goes to #debian-next
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12:56<memento>To change the desktop should I just purge xfce and then install the other one?
12:57<movl>memento: did you restart ?
12:57<memento>Yes
12:57<sney_>you don't have to, you can have as many installed as you want, and you can manage them through alternatives or your login manager
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12:59<memento>Ok thank you
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13:46<valentina92>hi all
13:46<retrospectacus>hey :)
13:46<valentina92>People help me please to set up my wired internet
13:47<valentina92>"(
13:47<retrospectacus>what have you tried and what happens?
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13:47<valentina92>in my panel there is an icon 2 pcs but there is no connection
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13:48<valentina92>ive recently upgrated from lenny to squeeze and while installation showed me network error
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13:49<valentina92>i duno what to do retro :(
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13:49<Cor3>valentina92: static ip, or dhcp?
13:50<valentina92>i dont understand ^^
13:50<valentina92>hehe
13:50<valentina92>i use cable internet
13:50<valentina92>if you will help me ill be so happy
13:50<valentina92>^^+
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13:51<retrospectacus>valentina92: pastebin the outputs of these commands run in the terminal: /sbin/ifconfig -a ; lspci -nn
13:51<valentina92>ok
13:51<retrospectacus>to paste.debian.net and give us the url :)
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13:52<valentina92>ok
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13:56<valentina92>http://paste.debian.net/161790/
13:56<valentina92>ok
13:56<valentina92>done :)
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13:58<tosted>someone could paste me all essencial packages to start a new system for a intel i3?
13:59<velenere>Hello, I've been helped here and I thank you all
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13:59<valentina92>How do you think what i have to do?
13:59<velenere>Now I'm trying to install XChat, aptitude is asking me to insert the CD in /media/cdrom/
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14:00<velenere>I don't have this CD, I installed debian from a flash drive, any idea what to do?
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14:02<chealer>!wayttd tosted
14:02<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, tosted?
14:02<retrospectacus>valentina92: should just work. are you sure it's plugged in?
14:02<valentina92>yes
14:02<valentina92>it worked with lenny
14:02<retrospectacus>run: sudo dhclient eth0
14:03<tosted>chealer, reinstall my broken debian squeeze!! :/
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14:03<retrospectacus>velenere: fix your sources list. Use network sources instead of cdrom
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14:03<chealer>tosted: did you already install Debian?
14:03<valentina92>it wrote: No such file or directory
14:04<retrospectacus>!tell velenere about sources
14:04<tosted>yeah... i am in debian now!
14:04<tosted>and trying get back all the system!
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14:04<tosted>you says downgrade!
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14:05<velenere>thanks retrospectacus, I'm trying it now
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14:05<retrospectacus>valentina92: it said that about what? sudo or dhclient
14:06<chealer>tosted: did you read the installation guide?
14:06<valentina92>SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
14:06<valentina92>twice
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14:06<retrospectacus>thank you
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14:07<valentina92>maybe i have to reinstall debian?
14:07<tosted>what part exactly? chealer
14:08<chealer>tosted: in general. what would you do with a list of essential packages?
14:08<retrospectacus>valentina92: no
14:08<valentina92>ill try to burn squeeze
14:08<valentina92>because i didnt have squeeze cd
14:08<valentina92>maybe it will fix the error while booting
14:09<tosted>chealer, i would try keeping those packages and reinstall the others!
14:09<retrospectacus>valentina92: do you see any messages about eth0 in "dmesg|tail"
14:09<retrospectacus>?
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14:10<valentina92>yes
14:10<chealer>tosted: uh. either explain your problem or just actually reinstall Debian. "reinstalling" packages is very unlikely to fix any problem.
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14:12<tosted>chealer, network-manager cant show me wifi devices, plugged in!
14:12<retrospectacus>valentina92: show me. use a pastebin for more than 2 lines
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14:12<valentina92>http://paste.debian.net/161793/
14:13<chealer>tosted: don't tell me, ask the channel
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14:13<tosted>network-manager cant show me wifi devices, plugged in!
14:14<retrospectacus>valentina92: you need to install the package "firmware-linux-nonfree"
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14:14<valentina92>how if i dont have internet access?
14:14<valentina92>:S
14:15<retrospectacus>you can get it by USB drive perhaps
14:15<sney_>you can download it from packages.debian.org and copy it over with a usb key
14:15<tosted>what repositories are recommended to intel i3?
14:15<gnugr>tosted:are you with gnome?
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14:15<tosted>gnugr, gnome!
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14:15<gnugr>enviroment gnome?
14:16<gnugr>gnome shell?
14:16<tosted>gnugr, http://pastebin.com/i2Mq88e9
14:16<valentina92>ok ty
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14:18<tosted>!downgrade tosted
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14:19<gnugr>tosted:be sure you have in /etc/apt/sources.list lines with "main contrib non-free"
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14:20<gnugr>tosted: then please do your update/upgrade
14:20<tosted>gnugr, http://pastebin.com/Aqd0C3Mz
14:21<gnugr>tosted: then please do "apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome"
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14:21<sney_>tosted, you should link like http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Aqd0C3Mz instead so there's no captcha or ads...
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14:22<gnugr>tosted: what a mess omg
14:22<tosted>gnugr, http://pastebin.com/bwLLetAj
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14:22<tosted>sney, uhh...ok
14:22<tosted>raw...
14:23<gnugr>tosted: and you want with these lines to have decent distro?
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14:24<sney_>tosted, the 'wget' or 'gpg' stuff was supposed to be run as commands, not put in your sources.list.
14:24<tosted>gnugr, sney that command are commented!
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14:25<tosted>is just to easy remember
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14:25<CrashFire>Hello
14:25<dzink>Hello all
14:25<CrashFire>how to stream logitech webcam from Debian system ?
14:26<CrashFire>Someone how can help me??
14:26<tosted>sney, send me a clear version of your source.list!
14:27<gnugr>sney_: please fix his sources.list i have no more patience sorry!
14:27<sney_>my squeeze one is just 2 lines, "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free"
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14:29<CrashFire>Someone how can help me? , How to stream logitech webcam from debian squeeze ?
14:29<sney_>don't know about webcams, sorry, but I think you can stream with mencoder
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14:30<CrashFire>Someone how knows what software to use in debian ?
14:30<CrashFire>I found many to windows system, but nothing to debian/linux :S
14:30<Alison_Chaiken>cheese or cheesecam IIRC.
14:31<sney_>yeah, cheese can take photos but can it stream?
14:31<tosted>gnugr, sorry i know only something about debian, i m just learning a having some difficulty!
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14:31<tosted>and*
14:31<CrashFire>tosted: What do you have trouble with ?
14:31<Alison_Chaiken>vlc for streaming, or gstreamer itself.
14:32<tosted>nothing anymore, i ll reinstall debian.
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14:32<Alison_Chaiken>gstreamer directly is more powerful but harder to use: tricky syntax.
14:32<CrashFire>tosted: Just fix source.list , then apt-get dist-upgrade
14:32<Alison_Chaiken>I used gstreamer for an endoscopy contract ;-)
14:32<CrashFire>or apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
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14:34<tosted>CrashFire, nothing happened!
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14:35<CrashFire>tosted: check msg
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14:52<MTecknology>Where can I find the /usr directory on the debian install CD?
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14:52<MTecknology>I know how to modify things like the isolinux directory, but I need to make one very minor change to /usr/lib/apt-setup/generators/91security
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14:58<visicalc>@search diary political idiot
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15:04<chealer>MTecknology: the filesystem contents in d-i is dynamic. the file you're talking about must be installed by a udeb, surely apt-setup-udeb in this case. you might want to see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/
15:04<chealer>so you'd need to modify apt-setup-udeb
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15:05<MTecknology>chealer: ooooh.. fun!
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15:06<MTecknology>chealer: I'm getting to see how many bugs have been fixed since lenny.... really wish I could pitch it to the curb :(
15:07<MTecknology>on the flip side.. making a one click (press enter) fully automated installer is pretty fun when you get all done
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15:08<chealer>MTecknology: sorry, what do you mean by "pitch it to the curb"?
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15:18<MTecknology>chealer: We have a few hundred systems on lenny. Because of the setup, I get to keep installing lenny systems for about another year
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15:21<MTecknology>I have to change a lot of stuff now that lenny has been moved to the archive. I was hoping to remove a lot of errors that I wrote cheap hacky fixes for but they get to stay since I'd rather focus my time on migrating to stable. :)
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15:22<sney_>by then you'll have another stable release
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15:26<Melisa92>hi all
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15:26<movl>Melisa92: hi, Dmirty
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15:27<movl>*Dmitry
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15:28<Melisa92>why my internet is so slow?
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15:29<Melisa92>it should be 20mbs but my browser is so slow
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15:30<sney_>what does it say if you run a test at speedtest.net
15:31<MTecknology>sney_: migrating to a new release is .... hard
15:32<MTecknology>The only way to do it is slip it into a massive change, and it takes a very massive change to make a release upgrade go unnoticed
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15:35<Melisa92>hm
15:35<Melisa92>it even doesnt open the web site
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15:40<movl>Dmitry: you're from Riga, right?
15:41<Melisa92>no
15:41<Melisa92>ventspils
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15:42<movl>and your name is in no manner Melissa, right?
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15:43<Melisa92>its random
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15:43<movl>oh, is it? I saw you using this nick for quite a few days now
15:43<movl>so why not stop trolling and asking stupid questions?
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15:45<Melisa92>go in ass
15:46<movl>just like I thought
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15:46<Melisa92>i have an old pc to setup..
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15:47<cthuluh>I believe you meant "go fuck yourself". *plonk*
15:48<Melisa92>i meant nothing
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15:48<movl>:)))
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15:50<roberto>hello where I can find libvirt.so for a 64 bit amd ubuntu?
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15:50<movl>on #ubuntu, methinks
15:50<sney_>!ubuntuirc roberto
15:50<dpkg>roberto: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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15:52<ivanchoff>hi
15:52<sney_>hi
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15:54<ivanchoff>one question....what is the best twiter client for gnome?
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15:55<movl>I remember gwibber
15:55<sney_>good question
15:55<movl>and there probably is an extension
15:55<movl>ivanchoff: gnome 3, right?
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15:56<ivanchoff>yes gnome 3
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15:58<ivanchoff>thx <gwibber>:, i will searh it!!
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16:08<tjader>I have 2 machines behind a NAT router. One is a vanilla Ubuntu Server one, the other one is a vanilla Squeeze. Network configuration is the same in both machines. Ubuntu's dns requests go through, Debian's don't.
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16:09<tjader>Anyone has any ideas on how to debug this?
16:09<OpenTokix>tjader: tcpdump on router if possible
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16:09<OpenTokix>tjader: does internet-traffic via ip work?
16:10<jordanm>tjader: does dig @8.8.8.8 google.com work on the squeeze machine? is resolv.conf the same?
16:10<OpenTokix>tjader: and resolv.conf is identical?
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16:15<tjader>OpenTokix: yes.
16:16<tjader>resolv.conf is identical.
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16:17<tjader>I have to go now
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16:29<sidney_>That was so easy http://www.debian-tutorials.com/general/mount-your-partitions-permanently-in-debian
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16:38<rgms>I know this isn't probaby the right place but I'm kind of freaking out right now. Clamav (unofficial signatures) detected a trojan in my keepass database. Anyone heard of such trojans or might this be a false positive?
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16:38<rgms>Somehow the database is corrupt because I'm unable to open it because of "wrong signature"
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16:39<rgms>tried scanning with avast on windows and nothing was detected
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16:40<rgms>and I don't feel comfortable to upload my password database for analysis
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16:51<rgms>so I guess there would have to be an unknown vulnerability in keepassx that would enable injecting code with databases
16:51<rgms>so I guess it's highly unlikely
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17:03<edong23>hrm... so.. hi #debian... any of you guys know the best way to recover deleted files on ext4?
17:03<edong23>i have googled
17:03<edong23>i found several possibilities
17:03<@Ganneff>then try them
17:04<edong23>one does not simply, try them. i have to be careful, i only have the 1 copy of the disk, and noway to make another.
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17:04<edong23>and i deleted a directory, completely
17:05<edong23>and what im concerned about is the fact that osme of the undelete meathods i have used befroe left the files good, bu the filenames not.. just random characters
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17:05<@Ganneff>use dd to make an image, play in that image.
17:06<mejsa>hey, i have user A, with /home how can i add permission to /home for user B is there any way ?
17:06<edong23>^
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17:06<edong23>i cant, thats the thing
17:06<edong23>i dont have the space to dd the partition
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17:07<edong23>anyway, if anyone has done an undelete on ext4 and would liek to share their experience, thanks.. if not.. thats cool too
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17:08<movl>edong23: better find a way to dd the partition. DO NOT play on the original
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17:09<movl>there's no sure shot way to do this
17:10<edong23>guys, i cant... do me a favor, if you have used any tools, i appreciate a response. but i am totally aware i need to dump the disk to another but its a 12tb partition. i cant do that
17:10<movl>whoa...
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17:13<mejsa>hey, i have user A, with /home how can i add permission to /home for user B is there any way ?
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17:16<kop>!tell mejsa about permissions
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17:35<alwaysready>yo
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17:37<alwaysready>CAn anyone advise me on a suitable channel to request help regarding installing torbutton on iceweasel 11.0? Thanks
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17:38<movl>alwaysready: maybe #firefox?
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17:38<movl>or mozilla
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17:38<kop>alwaysready: Since it's debian, you could ask here. Don't know if you'll get an answer.
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17:39<movl>isn't it an xpi, btw?
17:39<alwaysready>its works with firefox
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17:39<alwaysready>just not iceweasel
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17:39<themill>does "aptitude install xul-ext-torbutton" not work?
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17:40<alwaysready>what browser do you guys use
17:40<retrospectacus>chromium!
17:40<alwaysready>chromium?
17:40<alwaysready>ok
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17:40<XayOn>dillo ftw
17:40<Araneae>Firefox
17:40<alwaysready>does no script work for Chromium?
17:40<movl>links
17:40<alwaysready>dillo ?
17:40<movl>and iceweasel
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17:40<movl>let the browser war begin! :P
17:40<Araneae>xD
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17:40<NiketoNabu>google-chrome - in cruncbang has no problem
17:41<alwaysready>isnt iceweasel just opensource firfox?
17:41<alwaysready>firefox*
17:41<kop>!tell alwaysready about why iceweasel
17:41<retrospectacus>!start a browser war
17:41<dpkg>lynx is more useful than dillo!
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17:41<NiketoNabu>firefox is fat and lazy
17:41<alwaysready>iceweasel seems lighter
17:42<NiketoNabu>midori is cool but have a lot of bugs - waiting for new realeses
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17:43<NiketoNabu>iceweasel is the same as firefox nuffs
17:43<alwaysready>thanks for your views
17:43<alwaysready>apt-get or aptitude ?
17:44<alwaysready>seems sometimes apt-get finds results that aptitude doesnt
17:44<movl>:))
17:44<NiketoNabu>i prefer midori for it lightweit but in my lunix it cant save webpages properly at all sukZ
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17:44<jxajro>hello..someone can informe where I find #ubuntu-br?
17:44<jxajro>or freenode?
17:44<movl>on Freenode
17:44<movl>irc.freenode.net
17:45<alwaysready>best email irc based email client ?
17:45<jxajro>hmmm thank you...let's try.
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17:45<NiketoNabu>google-chrome has a strange stuff - it swap my hard very often - wtf?
17:46<jordanm>it does aggressive page caching
17:46<alwaysready>i mean text based email client
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17:46<scientes>wow, aptitude reinstall ~i is REALLY slow
17:47<scientes>its been going for like an hour at 100% cpu
17:47<movl>that's e-mail client war right there
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17:47<movl>alwaysready: why would you care what we use? we might have and probably do have, different taste
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17:47<movl>so try them and see
17:47<retrospectacus>scientes: you're reinstalling every installed package??
17:48<scientes>yeah, cause i was using path-exclude to exclude translations
17:48<scientes>and that is the only way to now install all the files i excluded
17:48<scientes>well, im actually using aptitude reinstall "?any(~i,?origin(debian))"
17:48<NiketoNabu>page caching - yes, but it is too agrr. iron do more few swap operation having the same speed of serfing as chrome... very strange
17:48<scientes>*?and
17:49<alwaysready>im interested in other peoples reasons as to why they use one over another
17:49<scientes>alwaysready, i always use apt-get for command line, and aptitude for its nice gui
17:49<movl>alwaysready: I use aptitude period.
17:49<scientes>alwaysready, also, aptitude moo
17:49<scientes>aptitude -v moo
17:49<scientes>, etc
17:50<alwaysready>i saw that the other day
17:50<movl>but you won't find what YOU like unless YOU try it
17:50<alwaysready>thats very random!
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17:50<alwaysready>is there a beginners debain room ?
17:51<alwaysready>debian*
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17:51<scientes>alwaysready, find a problem you want to solve, and then use debian to do it
17:51<kop>alwaysready: This is it. (I like http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware as a compliment to the reference manual.)
17:51<alwaysready>ok thanks
17:52<kop>alwaysready: There's also a channel on freenode, but most of the real experts are in both.
17:52<alwaysready>i find the man pages very useful
17:52<alwaysready>better than --help
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17:52<movl>that's a good start, always has been
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17:53<scientes>alwaysready, write better ones, when the man pages are bad
17:53<scientes>cause alot of man pages were only written b/c debian has a policy that every executable needs a man page
17:53<alwaysready>oh ok
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17:53<kop>alwaysready: There's also the info pages. ("info info") I find the OpenBSD man pages to be the best, although of course debian might be different they are great for basic concepts. But you have to be able to read. Miss one word and you'll misunderstand.
17:54*scientes has never bothered with info pages
17:54<scientes>they arn't immediate enough
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17:54<jordanm>most info pages in debian are just copies of the man pages, because of the GFDL
17:54<scientes>if you hit "/' in a man page you can search
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17:54<alwaysready>ok cheers didnt know that
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17:55<alwaysready>im ruinning 'awesome' at the moment and personally think its excellent
17:55<scientes>unless you install the "doc-nonfree" pacakges
17:55<alwaysready>thoughts ?
17:55*scientes uses gnome-shell
17:55<alwaysready>whys that ?
17:56<scientes>alwaysready, dont be a shee[
17:56<scientes>*sheep
17:56<scientes>or a ricer for that matter
17:56<kop>alwaysready: Better read "man less" to learn how to read/search man pages. And "info info" for the info pages.
17:56<alwaysready>i dont know what either of those terms mean so i guess ill google it
17:57<alwaysready>ok thanks
17:57<kop>jordanm: I woudln't say most of the info pages are missing, but many of the most useful are.
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18:00<NiketoNabu>is anybody tryes midori-browser? iam about the trouble with saving web-pages...
18:01<scientes>http://funroll-loops.info/
18:01<scientes>^ricer
18:01<XayOn>alwaysready: awesome is awesome. =)
18:02<alwaysready>cool
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18:03<alwaysready>i work as an industrial engineer monitoring plc and scada systems and im looking to use awesome or some window manager for 8 monitors ssh'd into different devices and think awesome will do the trick
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18:04<movl>alwaysready: awesome IS awesome
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18:05<sidney_>should this command open the vim /etc/samba# vim smb.conf
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18:07<retrospectacus>sidney_: only if you have vim installed.
18:07<kop>alwaysready: You might also look at the synergy package. YMMV.
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18:07<alwaysready>ok cheers
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18:08<alwaysready>can it be run from xdm?
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18:12<jxajro>please, how can i find freenode per tiu xchat?
18:13<jxajro>per this xchat?
18:13<jxajro>ops
18:13<jxajro>please, how can i find freenode by this xchat?
18:14<Rydekull>/server -m irc.freenode.org -j #chat
18:14<Rydekull>im assuming could work
18:14<Rydekull>else, make it simpler /server irc.freenode.org
18:14<jxajro>hmmm I will try again...thx.
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19:36<sidney_>http://paste.debian.net/161819/
19:37<sney_>smb.conf is pretty forgiving. as long as it passes 'testparm' it is fine
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19:38<sidney_>and I also didn't figure out how to save it once the edit is done
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19:42<sidney_>how do you save a file in a vim editor
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19:43<retrospectacus>sidney_: :w
19:44<sidney_>: :w
19:46<retrospectacus>.... yup
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20:05<jxajro>Please...I cannot enter in freenode channel...:(
20:06<jxajro>someone can help me?
20:06<jxajro>I am searching the #ubuntu-br
20:06<retrospectacus>unlikely... what does your client say when you try?
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20:06<jxajro>translating to english it says:
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20:08<jxajro>Conectint to chat.freenode.net (2001:19f0:feee::dead:beef:cafe) porto 8001...
20:08<jxajro>* conection failed. Error: A rede está fora de alcance
20:08-!-johnv474 [~owner@c-76-16-239-109.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
20:09<jxajro>the net is out of range
20:09<jxajro>someone here can help me?
20:09<gnugr>try irc.freenode.net
20:09<jxajro>hmmmm ok..ok...where I type that?
20:10<gnugr>on your client servers list
20:10<gnugr>not channels
20:10<gnugr>servers
20:11<jxajro>ok..I will try again...thx
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20:11<gnugr>how did you find this server?
20:12<gnugr>do the same
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20:13<jxajro>I do not know...I only install the Xchat and they did the rest.
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20:14<retrospectacus>jxajro: irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu-br <-- right click that and choose connect
20:16<themill>picking something like chat.us.freenode.net that doesn't have any ipv6 addresses might help
20:17<gnugr>read also this guide-->http://xchat.org/docs/start/
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20:21<jxajro>i clicked restrospectus but the message was the same
20:22<jxajro>*searching irc.freenode.net
20:22<jxajro>* conecting to chat.freenode.net (2001:1418:13:1::25) porto 6667...
20:22<jxajro> *conection failed. Error: A rede está fora de alcance
20:22<retrospectacus>do what themill said. Here irc://chat.us.freenode.net/#ubuntu-br
20:22<jxajro>the net is out of range
20:22<retrospectacus>it's cause of ipv6
20:23<jxajro>oh goooosh! it works! aaaah aaah! goood...good.
20:23<jxajro>thankyou retrospectus! it worked!
20:23<retrospectacus>enjoy
20:23<jxajro>thank you :) but how did you make it? :)kk
20:25<retrospectacus>with the magic of debian.
20:26<jxajro>hmmm magic of debian!:-0...I would like to configure this by myself..but..thank you.
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20:29<jxajro>See gnugr...I did exactly what said your pictures but only retrospectacus succeeded..:(
20:29<jxajro>well....somethings has no explanations...ths everybody.
20:29<jxajro>thx
20:30<gnugr>pictures never lie
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20:31<jxajro>Yes, I know but I was trying to connect by the way you described (I also saw in a site) but nothing.
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21:24<Guest492>the vim file seems to be in use how do i release it
21:25<abrotman>the vim file ?
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21:28<Guest492>sorry vim smb.conf
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21:28<Guest492>I logged out and back in but i still get the same error
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21:32<abrotman>and he ran away
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21:33<sidney_>ok I'm back I restarted
21:33<abrotman>sidney_: did it solve it
21:33<abrotman>?
21:33<sidney_>checking now
21:34<sidney_>no it,s still in use
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21:36<movl>lsof
21:38<sidney_>what if i purge samba then reinstall
21:38<movl>sidney_: lsof
21:39<movl>look through the output to see what's using your file
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21:47<sidney_>Now to save smb.conf enter w?
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22:03<sidney_>:wq is the command to save and quit the vim editor?
22:03<XayOn>sidney_: yes
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22:07<sidney_>should this command give me an output?
22:07<sidney_>#add unix account
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22:07<retrospectacus>yeah it'll say -bash: add: command not found
22:08<retrospectacus>you probably want the "adduser" command
22:08<retrospectacus>but it's hard to say... if you want help here you should explain what you're trying to do
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22:14<sidney_>I'm setting up a samba user using this http://paste.debian.net/161830/
22:15<retrospectacus>sidney_: in this case, #add unix account is just a comment
22:15<sidney_>adduser sambauser is the command?
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22:16<retrospectacus>yes, but substitute "sambauser" with the actual username you want to use
22:16<retrospectacus>same for "smbuser" on line 5 ( it should be the same name)
22:16<retrospectacus>and on line 7
22:19<sidney_>line 5 should be the actual passwd and username
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22:19<retrospectacus>sidney_: no, "passwd" is the Linux command to update a user's password
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22:21<sidney_>should this passwd be the same as my root or my login
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22:21<retrospectacus>nah, whatever you want
22:22<retrospectacus>it'll be the password of your new user you created on line 3
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22:24<sidney_>" /etc/init.d/smb restart " dosent restart
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22:41<sidney_>http://paste.debian.net/161831/
22:41<lysdexia>I'm using wvdial to start my usb 3g modem. "wvdial default" works great from the command line, but when I add it to /etc/init.d (basically just modifying "skeleton" and putting "wvdial" in as daemon and "default" as args, on boot I get "-->No Carrier! Trying again" in a loop until I kill it with ctrl-c.
22:42<retrospectacus>sidney_: yes use "samba"
22:43<lysdexia>usb-modeswitch, libusb-1.0-0 and usb-modeswitch-data are installed.
22:44<retrospectacus>lysdexia: do you run it as root on cli?
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22:45<lysdexia>retrospecacus: yes.
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22:47<lysdexia>retrospectacus: is that a problem?
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22:48<retrospectacus>nah, if you ran it as user it could be a problem because your init script runs as root
22:48<retrospectacus>lysdexia: if you are using dependency based booting, how did you setup the LSB tags?
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22:49<retrospectacus>if not, what "rc number" did you use to add it to the boot sequence
22:50<retrospectacus>you could also put it in crontab with the timestamp "@reboot"
22:50<lysdexia>Hang on.
22:51<sidney_>i get a warning not to close the terminal http://paste.debian.net/161834/
22:52<lysdexia>I didn't even try that hard. :-) I just changed the "name" and "daemon_args" values in skeleton, copied it to "start3g" and ran update-rc.d start3g defaults
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22:52<lysdexia>default-start is 2 3 4 5
22:52<lysdexia>default stop is 0 1 6
22:53<retrospectacus>hmmm I mean the NN number, I dunno what it's called.
22:53<retrospectacus>whatever defaults uses.. try 99
22:54<lysdexia>I'm afraid I'm lost here. Give me a minute to google this so I can figure out where you are leading me.
22:55<retrospectacus>lysdexia: run update-rc.d by itself and you'll get a little help, you'll see what I mean
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22:55<retrospectacus>it's the order number
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22:57<lysdexia>Okay, I've been looking at the man page.
22:57<lysdexia>I did not supply an nn number
22:57<retrospectacus>I know, it used the default
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22:58<lysdexia>Okay. Well assuming "99" means "do me last" that is exactly what I wanted to happen.
22:59<lysdexia>The modem has "settled" by that point. Hmm.
23:00<kop>lysdexia: Trouble is that insserv will renumber the startup of the daemons to parallelize and speed boot.
23:00<lysdexia>Ah. Huh. I thought that was why they didn't go with upstart. :-)
23:01<retrospectacus>in which case I believe you want "Required-Start: $all" in the lsb header
23:01<kop>lysdexia: What retrospectacus said. There's instructions somwhere, in the man page or in /usr/share/doc/insserv*, or somewhere.
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23:02<lysdexia>So remove "$remote_fs $syslog" and replace with "$all"?
23:03<lysdexia>I shall give that a whirl and see if it does the trick.
23:03<retrospectacus>http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts and /msg dpkg lsb tags
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23:03<kop>lysdexia: There's always cron, as has been pointed out, and rc.local. But having your own script is most flexible. Assuming that's what you want. (I've not read the scrollback to see what your problem really is.)
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23:04<lysdexia>Not much to see. USB 3g dongle using wvdial script. It drops into a loop.
23:05<lysdexia>$all in man looks like the business. Let me try it right quick.
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23:06<retrospectacus>cron or rc.local would be easier and not prone to freezing your boot process but hey
23:06<retrospectacus>it's a learning experience
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23:08<lysdexia>Well, this is new to me, so I'm happy to marinate in it for a while, even if I can't get it to work right away.
23:08<lysdexia>Well, phooey.
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23:09<lysdexia>Oh my. Well, this is hilarious. Control-C doesn't kill it. :-)
23:09<lysdexia>Luckily this is on a CF.
23:10<kop>lysdexia: Nope. Multiprocessing. It's not running on the console.
23:10<lysdexia>Heh. I'll be a scoche more careful with the "autoredial".
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23:13<lysdexia>I'd really rather have the standard /etc/init.d/foo start|stop option if possible here.
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23:18<tosted>hi everyone.... I am here again trying to solve wifi debian settings. Actually, i cant see on network-manager-applet wireless available access points! i am runnig a fresh install of debian amd 64 and trying establish a connection trough a usb wireless adapter atheros AR9271!
23:19<retrospectacus>tosted: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc
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23:20<retrospectacus>tosted: you need backports. Have you tried this before?
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23:22<tosted>retrospectacus, thanks for your help... but non-free already added, firmware-atheros already installed, debian autoload the modules and i cant still connect wifi!
23:22<tosted>retrospectacus, i prefer do not use backports
23:23<tosted>retrospectacus, let s try keep stable running perfectly
23:23<retrospectacus>you have a newer kernel though?
23:24<tosted>retrospectacus, 2.6.32-5-amd64
23:25<tosted>retrospectacus, thats the package installed : ii linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-41squeeze2 Linux 2.6.32 for 64-bit PCs
23:29<retrospectacus>according to the wiki you need kernel version 2.6.35 or newer
23:29<tosted>so...
23:29<kop>tosted: Looks like you're stuck with backports. But, backports are now offically part of debian.
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23:30<tosted>kop, you are right!
23:30<kop>!bdo
23:30<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
23:31<tosted>and how exactly install only the package i need without upgrade all system?
23:31<kop>tosted: Backports still does not have security support, so you need to keep up with whatever's new on bdo yourself.
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23:31<kop>tosted: See the faq at backports.debian.org. Or maybe the instructions.
23:32<kop>tosted: That's how backports is designed to work, one package at a time. (Which made it tricky for me when I tried to use xorg from backports.....)
23:32<tosted>ok... -t squeeze-backports
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23:33<retrospectacus>tosted: enable backports, "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6-amd64", disable backports, reboot into new kernel
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23:33<tosted>may i need comment out the other lines in source.list ?
23:33<retrospectacus>... and hopefully see wirelesses
23:34<retrospectacus>squeeze lines? no, leave them
23:34<tosted>retrospectacus, ok..
23:34<tosted>i ll do that... :D
23:34<retrospectacus>also "apt-get update" twice in there
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23:34<lysdexia>retrospectacus: all the advice you guys gave is fine. looks like my problem is the modem is not always on the same device. Thanks very much for your help.
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23:35<tosted>kop, retrospectacus thanks for while. i ll be back soon!
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23:35<retrospectacus>lysdexia: no problem, have fun
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23:36<kop>lysdexia: That's what udev is for, to setup symlinks to a constant place when the device changes. It might already be doing this for you....
23:36<patr|ck>thanks to fail2ban i am clean even tho i forgot to admin :(
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23:36<patr|ck><3 good tools
23:37<patr|ck>anybody who needs help?
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23:37<tosted>retrospectacus, one more thing... only bpo main, or contrib and non-free are required?
23:37<lysdexia>kop: I'm actually using voyage (squeeze) which has a read-only file system by default. I guess I could try plugging stuff in in order, then changing back to read-only. That should cache whatever needs cacheing.
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23:38<retrospectacus>tosted: kernels are in main, yep
23:38<tosted>retrospectacus, :P
23:38<tosted>retrospectacus, see you!
23:39<retrospectacus>best of luck
23:41<tosted>ok.. all done...reloading the system...
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23:41<kop>lysdexia: Ah. You might consider emdebian so you can get support here.
23:42<lysdexia>If I can't get this to work, perhaps I will.
23:42<lysdexia>... but thus far, everything has just worked. This is the only weird bit I've run in to.
23:43<kop>lysdexia: There's also an #emdebian channel. I think here but perhaps on freenode.
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23:44*kop wanted to use emdebian on a linksys wrt54g instead of openwrt, but it just didn't seem ready. :-(
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23:45<tosted>retrospectacus, bad new!!! :(
23:45<tosted>many errors at boot!
23:45<tosted>wireless access points not showing!
23:46<tosted>and very slowly desk presentation...
23:47<tosted>the background smoothly was shown!
23:48<tosted>pastebin or paste.debian?
23:48<retrospectacus>paste.debian.net
23:49<tosted>retrospectacus, http://paste.debian.net/161836/
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23:51<tosted>retrospectacus, i think bpo, were not a good idea...o0
23:52<retrospectacus>can you paste the whole dmesg?
23:52<tosted>no...
23:52<retrospectacus>nah, the usb wireless thingy was not a good idea :P
23:52<orzo>hi
23:52<tosted>i am kiding..
23:52<tosted>of course
23:52<orzo>i'm in the market for a new desktop environment to try
23:53<orzo>i want something touch-screen friendly
23:53<tosted>retrospectacus, http://paste.debian.net/161838/
23:53<orzo>any suggestions?
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23:55<tosted>retrospectacus, but nowadays i cant keep cable plugged on ...the router is not mine, and i am so far from it....
23:55<tosted>:P
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23:59<retrospectacus>tosted: you need to install the firmware-atheros package.
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