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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-04-08

---Logopened Sun Apr 08 00:00:45 2012
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00:00<wolfpython>scientes__: yes , slow. But it's fine in Wheezy in the same machine :- Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E6500
00:00<scientes__>wolfpython, or is it a more critical problem?
00:01<scientes__>thats not slow
00:01<wolfpython>scientes__: Nope
00:01<scientes__>you should be using a 64-bit kernel on that
00:01<scientes__>even if using 32-bit user-space
00:01<scientes__>linux-image-amd64 is available on both
00:02<wolfpython>scientes__: hmm, kernel 64-bit while user-space 32-bit?
00:02<scientes__>yeah, its supported
00:03<scientes__>id recommend 64-bit the whole thing
00:03<scientes__>but 64-bit kernel works fine with 32-bit user-space
00:04<wolfpython>never have a try, thou :-)
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00:04<scientes__>and with multi-arch in wheezy now, you could set your default arch to 64-bit and then as you upgrade and install stuff your system will slowly become 64-bit
00:04<scientes__>wait, not upgrades, only new programs
00:08<wolfpython>scientes__:BTW, if I disable the X (tty7), tty1 becomes normal
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00:48<raju>somebody help me , my partitions(NTFS and EXT3 )re not mounting in my debain
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01:10<arturo>de donde
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02:48<DebianLover>aseem: hi
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02:49<DebianLover>aseem: yesterday i changed my grub
02:50<DebianLover>the brightness keys work well but the brightness doesn't change
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03:11<cyan>I'm having serious errors when sending files to stout. Could anyone give me some direction as to where I could find information on troubleshooting it; I havn't had any luck.
03:11<cyan>make that stdout
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03:42<aseem>DebianLover: Hey! keys work and brightness doesn't change ?
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03:42<DebianLover>aseem: yes :)
03:43<DebianLover>before the keys didn't work
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03:44<aseem>DebianLover: weird, are you on squeeze ?
03:44<DebianLover>no wheezy
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03:47<DebianLover>aseem: i'll come back soon
03:48<aseem>DebianLover: ok, buzz me when you come back :)
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03:54<wolfpython>scientes: it seems not the problem of kernel , but SLIM or lxde
03:54<wolfpython>I install gdm3 and gnome, it works fine
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04:12<scientes>wolf hmmm
04:12<scientes>guess hes gone
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04:30<wolfpython>scientes: It's really the problem of SLIM.** http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=475249 **
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04:45<Axz>Guys i'm stuck with nvidia drivers
04:45<Axz>how to install geforce drivers?!
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04:46<valdyn>Axz: whats wrong with nvidia drivers?
04:47<Axz>installing them?!
04:47<Axz>cant find the package
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04:47<valdyn>Axz: youre stuck with them but cant find the package? how does that make sense?
04:47<Axz>Nouveau drivers are installed but i want the native
04:48<valdyn>Axz: ok
04:48<valdyn>!non-free
04:48<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
04:48<valdyn>!nvidia
04:48<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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04:49<ttl->hi everyone
04:49<ttl->how can i get better font quality in Wheezy
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04:51<scientes>ttl-, i like ming-fonts-dejavu
04:52<scientes>wait thats ming
04:52<valdyn>ttl-: install gwaterfall and run waterfall and play with settings till you know what you really want
04:53<ttl->i just want smooth fonts, now the look a bit dirty
04:53<valdyn>ttl-: and were supposed to guess what you mean
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04:54<ttl->i found some articles about a patched version of libcairo2...
04:54<valdyn>ttl-: some fonts just look dirty no matter what
04:54<valdyn>ttl-: some fonts just scale badly
04:55<Osiris_X>can someone tell me what the '+' in the following bash script code does: ff="${kernelabi#+([^-])-@(trunk|+([0-9]))-}"
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04:56<ttl->valdyn: strange that the same fonts look smooth in ubuntu... but i don't like ubuntu that much...
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04:56<nevyn>define dirty.
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04:57<valdyn>ttl-: just do what i said above. That is not hard
04:57<nevyn>AA?
04:57<ttl->valdyn: ok thanks
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04:57<nevyn>as in antialiasing.
04:57<valdyn>i know people who find AA dirty, depending on display
04:59<ttl->nevyn: not smooth, spacing variations betweens characters, etc..
04:59<ttl->going to try wat valdyn said
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05:06<nevyn>valdyn: right.
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05:07<nevyn>science disagrees with them but whatever
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05:32<pestr>hi, all
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05:50<DebianLover>does somebody have any ideas how i can fix the brightness of my mini laptop samsung n148
05:50<DebianLover>i cannot change it
05:50<devil_>you can workaround it with xbacklight
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05:51<DebianLover>the screen is a bit dark
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05:52<DebianLover>wheezy runs on the laptop
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06:02<DebianLover>i have installed xbacklight but it doesn't change the brightness
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06:02<devil_>DebianLover: it does for me
06:02<dany>list
06:02<zack2>hai how to unistall debian ?>
06:02<devil_>zack2: overwrite it?
06:02<DebianLover>devil_: do you have samsung n148?
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06:03<devil_>no
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06:03<dany>!list
06:03<dpkg>dany: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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06:46<DebianLover>devil: do you have intel n10 family graphic controller?
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07:05<devil>no
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07:22<raju>while try to launch anything rom terminal i am getting this error "No protocol specified "
07:22<raju>(gedit:3762): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
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07:28<raju>ok solved
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07:32<FANTASY>CIAO
07:32<sIMson>coming in and out like a master? ;]
07:34<Araneae>Guys, I have an old laptop that I was trying to get running with any distro atm. But it keeps popping 'Critical temperature reached' messages. I used a can of compressed air and I think it's pretty clean on the vents.
07:34<abrotman>Araneae: how old?
07:34<Araneae>HP Dv5000 August 2006
07:34<abrotman>oh, so still a PIII or PIV
07:34<sIMson>2006?
07:34<Araneae>A centrino duo
07:34<sIMson>rather P4
07:35<abrotman>is acpi installed and running
07:35<Araneae>It has Windows xp on it, which doesn't boot
07:35<sIMson>no wonder ;]
07:35<EmleyMoor>I am changing ISP this coming week, to one with native IPv6 support. Anything special I need to be aware of when setting up addresses for my systems?
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07:35<Araneae>I have a feeling I would have to reseat the heatsink..
07:36<sIMson>maybe try checking in BIOS if the temperature is really on an acceptable level
07:36<Araneae>Ah sec
07:36<sIMson>if it does not overheat
07:36<abrotman>and ACPI?
07:37<sIMson>dunno what bios do you have but afaik both award and phoenix should show the temperature
07:37<sIMson>and btw. what distro do you wanna use?
07:37<Araneae>Debian
07:37<Araneae>Lol
07:37<sIMson>Squeeze?
07:37<Araneae>Yes
07:37<sIMson>I'm running Wheezy
07:37<sIMson>that's whi I asked
07:37<sIMson>why*
07:37<Araneae>Alrighty :)
07:38<Araneae>Pheonix BIOS and does not show the temperature
07:38<sIMson>uh :/
07:38<sIMson>check if ACPI is on
07:38<Araneae>Good god, I have systems older than this that do this -.-
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07:39<suen>What does "CIAO" mean?
07:39<abrotman>suen: ask google
07:39<sIMson>kinda like "see ta"
07:39<sIMson>ya*
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07:39<abrotman>Araneae: boot the OS, make sure you have acpi and acpid installed
07:40<suen>Google does not work well in my country!
07:40<sIMson>lolz
07:40<sIMson>where are ya from? :D
07:40<suen>China
07:40<sIMson>ah
07:40<sIMson>explains a lot
07:40<Araneae>abrotman: I can't boot it, even the netinstall disk heats it up midway installation
07:41<abrotman>sIMson: stop using the enter key every third word
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07:41<abrotman>Araneae: have you tried setting the laptop vertically so it vents up ?
07:41<Araneae>That's .. a good idea
07:41<Araneae>xD
07:41<Araneae>Sec
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07:43<Araneae>Nope, doesn't work :/
07:43<sIMson>even after leaving the lap for a longer while to let it cool down?
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07:44<Araneae>Ye, I have a fan blowing into it aswell
07:44<Araneae>More of a hardware issue than anything
07:44<abrotman>Araneae: sounds like it's time to head over to ##hardware on freenode and begin surgery
07:44<Araneae>:<
07:44<abrotman>(sounds like fun to me)
07:45<Araneae>If I don't make it worse hah
07:45<suen>Does heatsink works?
07:45<Araneae>suen: I think it works, but it isn't seated properly
07:45<suen>Maybe
07:46<Araneae>The fan starts running like a helicopter rotor
07:46<sIMson>might be a damaged thermal sensor (just guessing)
07:46<abrotman>okay .. off to ##hardware ..
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07:46<Araneae>Thanks for the help guys
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07:49<alcatraz>ciao a tutti
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08:24<poree>hi
08:25<Edinho>hi
08:27<Edinho>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508029
08:28<Edinho>any?
08:28<abrotman>any what?
08:28<Edinho>to solve the bug
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08:30<suen>/etc/fstab
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08:37<biggens1>hello?
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08:38<biggens1>hello?
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08:38<abrotman>yes?
08:38<biggens1>hello?
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08:39<suen>?
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08:40<biggens1>my problem is my debian is saying "cannot open dedian".
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08:42<abrotman>you're going to have to give us more detail
08:42<biggens1>ok
08:42<suen>oh my god,are you kidding?
08:43<biggens1>oh my goodness.
08:44<biggens1>ok my debain is not working proper there is a error every time i use it
08:45<suen>more?
08:45<biggens1>ugh no
08:45<biggens1>can you help?\
08:45<abrotman>you haven't told us anything
08:46<abrotman>!tell biggens1 about ask
08:46<suen>y
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08:47<biggens1>well debain is having a problem that i don't know about\
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08:47<Rydekull>biggens1: You need to be verbose, tell us what hardware you are using, tell us what you are doing when it says "cannot open debian", tell us by showing us a screenshot, photo, logs, anything. (And please, if you want to show us logs, use pastebin.com or paste.debian.net
08:47<biggens1>never mind
08:48<abrotman>you didn't even tell us anything to nevermind! :)
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08:48<Rydekull>we arent psychics, good luck on solving your problem biggens1 :-)
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08:48<abrotman>i've gotten more useful information from a National Enquirer ..
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08:50<nip>hello?
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08:51<nip>hello???
08:51<abrotman>hi
08:51<suen>hi
08:51<Rydekull>hiho
08:52<abrotman>nip: do you think changing nicks will change that you haven't given us any details?
08:52<nip>huh
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08:52<Rydekull>haha
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08:53<Rydekull>we arent psychics, good luck on solving your problem biggens1 :-)
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08:54<aseem>troll
08:54<biggens1_>hi i will cool you down with ice cream
08:54<biggens1_>hello???
08:55<abrotman>is this supposed to be funny?
08:55<biggens1>yes
08:55<movl>well it ain't
08:55<biggens1>o
08:55<movl>if you have aproblem, state it
08:56<movl>*a problem
08:56<biggens1>what is your problem???
08:57<movl>multiple question marks, for starters
08:57<abrotman>biggens1: Do you need help with Debian or are you just here to cause problems?
08:57<abrotman>movl: try /ignore
08:57<suen>IIt seems I need to study English hard
08:57<movl>good point
08:57<suen>It seems I need to study English hard
08:57<biggens1>abrotman ban movl
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08:58<abrotman>biggens1: Please go play somewhere else
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09:01<indigo>is there a way i can build a kernel from the linux-source packages such that i get something appended to the package name, similarly to the linux-image-2.6.23-xen packages and such?
09:02<indigo>i'm trying to build a kernel for xen domus and i'd like it to coexist with kernels i build for the dom0.
09:02<abrotman>!tell indigo about kp mantra
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09:03<abrotman>seriously?
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09:05<indigo>hm...i've been doing builds with "make deb-pkg". Is this different?
09:05<movl>cupiepop\\: really?
09:05<abrotman>movl: try /ignore
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09:20<pokoloko>hello all
09:21<pokoloko>I am having a slight problem with Network manager and the applet. They only seem to connect to saved wireless networks, no scan so i cannot connect to a new network :(
09:21<movl>what network card?
09:21<movl>wi-fi
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09:22<pokoloko>yes wlan
09:22<movl>I know, what brand and type is it?
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09:26<boink3>hi
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09:27<boink3>i am biggens1
09:27<SaZha>gruess gott
09:27<boink3>what
09:27<SaZha>bin ich hier richtig?
09:27<boink3>what
09:27<abrotman>!de
09:27<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
09:27<SaZha>!de
09:27<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
09:28<SaZha>kewl
09:28<boink3>ok
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09:28<boink3>i am biggens1 abrotman
09:29<abrotman>and what?
09:29<abrotman>do you want a yogi pin?
09:29<boink3>huh
09:29<pokoloko>ill check the detail its a atheros AR5001
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09:30<boink3>this is my real problem. my debian is not starting
09:30<abrotman>that's not descriptive .. we can't help you with that
09:30<abrotman>either give us more detail, or stop yapping
09:30<boink3>ok i will ask a buddy of mine instead
09:31<abrotman>okay
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09:31<pokoloko>trolls will be trolls
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09:33<pokoloko>So ive searched on how to fix the problem but to no avail, nm is still not scanning for networks just connecting to saved
09:34<abrotman>can you use iwlist to scan ?
09:34<pokoloko>no iwlist comes up blank
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09:35<abrotman>what command did you actually use?
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09:35<pokoloko>iwlist :D
09:36<abrotman>try again ..
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09:38<aseem>pokoloko: acer ?
09:38<pokoloko>ok did iwlist wlan0 scan came up with a network
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09:39<pokoloko>aseem no Samsung N120
09:39<abrotman>pokoloko: so it's not a driver problem? did you try as a new user on the box?
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09:39<pokoloko>let me check 1 second
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09:39<boink3>excuse me may i ask how does the new debian 6.0.4 works
09:39<aseem>pokoloko: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/16955/no-wireless-atheros-ar5001/
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09:40<boink3>b
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09:41<boink3>oops
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09:42<pokoloko>abortman new user cant scan either
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09:42<pokoloko>aseem reading your link now
09:43<boink3>excuse me may i ask how does the new debian 6.0.4 works???
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09:47<plomiyo>debain is a junk software
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09:48<plomiyo>pross not pros
09:48<abrotman>plomiyo: do you need help ?
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09:48<plomiyo>yes i have the flu
09:48<daemonkeeper>To find the exit, yes.
09:49<movl>is this troll Sunday or wtf
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09:49<abrotman>movl: you can /part if you can't handle it
09:49<movl>..
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09:52<pokoloko>aseem iwlist does indeed find networks it must be a network manager problem would dowgrading do the trick ?
09:53<aseem>pokoloko: did it for me :), I have the same driver , its a PITA :P
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09:57<samu>hola
09:58<abrotman>!es
09:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:00<Axz>Guys getting this error on apt-get update> Segmentation fault
10:01<abrotman>Axz: please use a pastebin
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10:03<abrotman>or not ...
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10:04<aseem>abrotman: people don't have patience these days, i guess
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10:06<Infiltrator>Is there a .makerc (or global) file where I can tell make to by default spawn 4 jobs and override with -j1 or -jx if necessary? I know I can "alias make='make -j4'", but is there a global and shell-indpendent way?
10:07<abrotman>/etc/environment maybe?
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10:07<abrotman>Infiltrator: though if it's a multiuesr box,, is that a good idea?
10:08<Infiltrator>abrotman: Well, perhaps set 2 as the default; just looking for the way to do it. Also, generally, it's not a multi-user box anyway; but I do see your point.
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10:10<Infiltrator>Also, I don't have an /etc/environment file; nor does man tell me anything about it. Can I go ahead and create one? And what's the format?
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10:13<Infiltrator>Though, for the multi-user problem, you can use the --max-load argument.
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10:16<redeeman>hello, i am trying to understand how to use the init system in debian. i am on squeeze so i believe its dependency based now. can someone point me to some documentation that explains how to enable/disable services for startup. My goal right now is to prevent certain services from being autostarted, but I ofcourse still wish them to be shut down when rebooting etc. I am also given to understand that under some conditions upgrading a package
10:16<redeeman> will reset this?
10:16<Infiltrator>And I cannot seem to find any way to make make read environment variables for its own options; it can read them and pass them on to gcc and the like, but I haven't found out how to pass _make_ arguments via the environment... Reading http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Environment.html
10:17<Infiltrator>redeeman: I know you can use update-rc.d to change when it starts/stops.
10:17<redeeman>what about insserv then?
10:18<Infiltrator>redeeman: Though I'm not sure about the reset conditions.
10:18<Infiltrator>redeeman: insserv should just be update-rc.d-insserv.
10:18<redeeman>but i wish to understand how it all works
10:18<redeeman>otherwise i cant comfortably use it :)
10:19<Infiltrator>Though the man page says that 'update-rc.d-insserv' is obsolete.
10:20<Infiltrator>redeeman: Well, have a read of 'man update-rc.d'.
10:20<Infiltrator>That should explain most of it.
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10:36<meanmachine>hi
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10:40<redeeman>Infiltrator, yeah, but it doesnt seem like it can do what i want, i want to only have it shutdown apache2 for instance, during reboot/shutdown, but never autostart it
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10:41<redeeman>and update-rc.d seems very determined to either rename S's to K's, or K's to S's
10:42<movl>Infiltrator: so add apache to runlevels 0 and 6
10:42<movl>maybe have a look at sysv-rc-conf as well
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10:45<redeeman>movl, how? if i try: update-rc.d apache2 stop 0 6 it also adds S symlinks
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10:46<movl>see if it works tho
10:46<redeeman>i did, and it also adds start symlinks
10:47<Infiltrator>If I do 'update-rc.d apache2 disable', then it says it puts it into stop for all run levels (0-6).
10:47<Infiltrator>Is that what you want?
10:47<movl>I understand. I was referring to rebooting to see if it says "stoppping apache..." or somesuch
10:48<redeeman>well i dont want it to stop it at all runlevels, only 0/6
10:48<redeeman>i think i'll just erase some symlinks manually
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10:51<Infiltrator>redeeman: My bad. Doing 'update-rc.d apache2 stop 0 6' and 'update-rc.d apache2 start' (with no runlevels, it doesn't start at all) should be what you're looking for.
10:52<redeeman>doesnt work, it still adds S symlinks for 2,3,4,5
10:53<Infiltrator>redeeman: Are you talking about insserv or update-rc.d?
10:53<redeeman>update-rc.d
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10:54<Infiltrator>You mean /etc/rcS.d/, correct? Because it doesn't add them for me... :\
10:54<redeeman>update-rc.d apache2 stop 0 6 <-- this adds them for me
10:55<redeeman>http://pastebin.com/FK9BcU64
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10:58<redeeman>but i think i will just manage symlinks myself, erasing all S-apache and then erasing all K-apache not in 0/6 should work, no?
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11:04<s4br3>How do make sure that the command 'aticonfig --pplib-cmd "set fanspeed 0 35"' is run after every reboot?
11:04<redeeman>does that work before your X is started?
11:04<redeeman>you could look into using /etc/rc.local
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11:06<s4br3>If I don't run that my GPU fans wil go 75% and be too noisy. With this they go don to 35%. But as they go up again when I log out and come to KDM, they go up again. So, they are user conytrolled
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11:12<Neko136679>hello
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11:13<Neko136679>how do i use this irc? :( first time using this
11:13<pokoloko>aseem fix was easier than that
11:14<suen>actually so do I
11:14<mns>hi, somebody knows why the debian main archive are so slow?
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11:14<daemonkeeper>slow as in?
11:14<mns>i can't finish an aptitude update
11:14<pokoloko>you just needed to edit networkmanager.conf to true
11:14<daemonkeeper>Try another mirror
11:14<SaZha>Neko136679, cool...me is new too
11:15<Neko136679>debian isnt booting on my laptop
11:15<Infiltrator>redeeman: See http://paste.debian.net/162515/
11:15<suen>SaZha,cool.. me is new too
11:15<mns>everything else is fast, but aptitude
11:15<abrotman>mns: use a different mirror .. use one near you
11:15<Neko136679>cool its easy to use
11:15<mns>abrotman: i'll try that
11:15<suen>yes,it is
11:15<abrotman>mns: you definitely shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org
11:15<abrotman>mns: where are you geographically
11:15<abrotman>?
11:15<mns>but it's the first time it happens
11:15<mns>abrotman: brazil
11:16<abrotman>mns: there's ftp.br.debian.org .. and a few others
11:16<aseem>pokoloko: what did you do ?
11:16<SaZha>i love it
11:16<abrotman>mns: see, debian.org/mirrors/list .. pick the one near you
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11:16<mns>abrotman: i'll try that, thanks
11:16*abrotman tends to use edu or gov mirrors if he can
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11:17<Infiltrator>redeeman: So basically you need to 'update-rc.d foo disable'. Unfortunately, this does mean that every time you change runlevels, it will stop it.
11:17<suen>Do someone come from China?
11:17<abrotman>!zh
11:17<dpkg>如果您想得到中文的帮助,请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道,进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" (不含引号),谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
11:17<abrotman>*blink*
11:17<Infiltrator>Ouch.
11:17<Neko136679>how can i install grub to my MBR without usb or debian disks?
11:17<suen>dpkg
11:17<Neko136679>anyone know?
11:17<mns>abrotman: just try to update my wheezy
11:17<Infiltrator>Bad dpkg.
11:17<Rydekull>haha, that was nice
11:17<mns>abrotman: thanks anyway
11:17<suen>dpkg,are you Chinese?
11:17*Rydekull can even read some of that!
11:17<dpkg>suen: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
11:17<Rydekull>suen: its a bot
11:17<SaZha>how to get familiar with that nerdy computer girl with long blonde hair an 90-60-90 sitting around there
11:17<Infiltrator>Neko136679: Do you have Debian running?
11:17<Rydekull>suen: Please read the message
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11:18<suen>ok
11:18*nevyn get's glyphs not just wierd boxes...
11:18<nevyn>awesome.
11:18<SaZha>!dpkg
11:18<dpkg>hmm... dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
11:18<Neko136679>Infiltrator: i installed it yesterday it was running....i was getting 2 boot screens one grub abd other windows 7
11:18<Infiltrator>nevyn: I got glyphs with random line breaks... took up half my screen. :P
11:18<SaZha>!init
11:18<dpkg>from memory, init is the init daemon, or ask me about <runlevels>, or <inittab>
11:18<Neko136679>so i tried fixing it and now grub is gone
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11:19<nevyn>Infiltrator: :( I got 3 lines
11:19<Infiltrator>Neko136679: Ah, as in you installed windoze's bootloader into the MBR?
11:19<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell SaZha about msg the bot
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11:19<Infiltrator>Neko136679: You'll need a cd (netinst should do) or some other way of booting into Debian to fix that.
11:19<SaZha>Neko136679, if you dont use XFS you might install grub on the partitionside, so you just need to install a std mbr and activate this partition
11:20<Neko136679>Infiltrator: i am using easyBCD now after my system didnt boot
11:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 495] by debhelper
11:20<Neko136679>also my dvd/cd drive doesnt work anymore
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11:20<Neko136679>i did a network install
11:20<abrotman>!msg the bot
11:20<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others.
11:20<abrotman>and/or use "dpkg: tell bar about foo"
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11:20<pokoloko>thanx for the help abrotman and aseem, wish you guys the best of luck :)
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11:21<abrotman>where we're going, we don't need luck
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11:21<suen>英语有点难
11:22<abrotman>suen: english only here
11:22<Infiltrator>Neko136679: You might be able to find a GRUB installer for windoze, but I'd reccomend just running the Debian installer again, in rescue mode.
11:22<suen>ok
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11:22<suen>i see
11:22<Infiltrator>abrotman: You mean you don't need luck here? :P
11:22*SaZha suen
11:22<Rydekull>suen: go to #debian-zn if you want Chinese :-)
11:22<abrotman>cn or zh .. not zn
11:22<Infiltrator>suen: As dpkg said, there's a Chinese channel.
11:22<Neko136679>Inflitrator: thanks i will look up but so far it hasnt worked
11:22<Rydekull>suen: I think its a bit empty, but yeah, someone might come around
11:23<Infiltrator>Neko136679: What exactly hasn't worked?
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11:23<suen>my god
11:23<Neko136679>i used super grub disk 2 to boot
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11:23<Infiltrator>...why does my terminal title display glyphs? :(
11:23<Neko136679>but couldnt get debian to boot
11:24<abrotman>Infiltrator: your font or your locale
11:24<Neko136679>it said "file not found" initrd and kernel
11:24<Infiltrator>Neko136679: If you run it from windoze, you'll need to install ext2 for it to be able to realise that you have a linux kernel.
11:24<Infiltrator>Otherwise it can't read your ext2/3/4 partitions.
11:24<Neko136679>i have ext2fs installed
11:25<Infiltrator>abrotman: Nah, it was suen and/or dpkg. Re-connecting fixed it.
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11:25<Infiltrator>Neko136679: Can you browse your debian partitions?
11:25<Neko136679>1 sec i will check
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11:27<suen>I can read not write
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11:27<Neko136679>Infiltrator: i can read only
11:27<Infiltrator>Neko136679: According to http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/ you should be able to boot into your Debian system.
11:27<Neko136679>yes i checked it but debian isnt booting
11:28<Infiltrator>Neko136679: What does it say?
11:28<Neko136679>i have been browsing endlessly since yesterday and ended up here
11:28<SaZha>Neko136679, you looked up the files and partitions by pressing TAB?
11:28<Neko136679>Infiltrator: there are only 2 files lost and found and user
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11:29<SaZha>Neko136679, doesnt look like a GNU/Debian System-Tree
11:29<Neko136679>its the root partition
11:29<Infiltrator>Neko136679: Does super grub2 disk find your Debian install?
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11:29<Infiltrator>Neko136679: If that's all you have in your rootfs, then it sounds like your partition got nukes.
11:30<Infiltrator>s/nukes/nuked/
11:30<Neko136679>Infiltrator: it read from previous grub file and showed up debian on boot screen
11:30<Neko136679>but when i tried debian wasnt up
11:30<Neko136679>just got black screen and blinking little dash on left corner of screen for 30 minutes
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11:31<Infiltrator>And all you have in your rootfs is lost+found/ and user/?
11:31<suen>Learn English tomorrow and forgive me,thanks!
11:31<Neko136679>yes
11:31<Neko136679>only those two folders
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11:33<Infiltrator>And no other partitions?
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11:33<SaZha>user/ what a folder...even dont know it by default on std-File-Tree
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11:33<Neko136679>there is another partition
11:33<SaZha>sure you dont mount that on /home ?
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11:33<SaZha>and the other partition is /
11:33<Neko136679>with many folders i think its the root partition maybe
11:33<SaZha>haha
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11:33<SaZha>nice handsome game
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11:34<Neko136679>omg i made a mistake with root path in grub
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11:34<Neko136679>i will try rebooting and see if it works with the right sd#
11:35<SaZha>is ok...it just enhanced the mainstream logic in my backup sector of 'help me out of linux'-brain
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11:36*SaZha needs help
11:36*SaZha is looking for a girl
11:36<Neko136679>i m a girl
11:36<SaZha>yes yes
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11:42<rufian>Hello, I want a tutorial for writing patches for Debian packages.
11:42<rufian>Do you know some?
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11:42<daemonkeeper>!NMG
11:42<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper
11:43<mejsa>hey guys,how do i reboot system without root acess? ive got some very interesting sytuation,woke up and i cant acess root
11:44<daemonkeeper>You can't. Root it.
11:44<daemonkeeper>(or hit the power button)
11:44<suen>good idea
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11:45<fnmueller>depeding on the system configuration ctrl+alt+del can be used
11:46<Infiltrator>Or REIBUS.
11:46<sney>single tap of the power button should give you an acpi shutdown
11:47<Infiltrator>REISUB* - it's good not to get the order mixed up. :P
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11:53<mejsa>ok,thganks guys,and what should be the problem,i wanna login to root,but i get: setgid: operation not permitted, any idea?
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11:55<Infiltrator>mejsa: What gives you that? su? sudo? gksu?
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11:56<rufian>REISUB - the most used tool for linux ATi users.
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11:56<movl>:P
11:57<Zaba>I concur
11:57<Infiltrator>Haha. Isn't it disabled by default now, though?
11:58<mejsa>Infiltrator: su, sudos gives "sudo:must be setuid root"
11:58<Infiltrator>mejsa: Wow; that's messed up. What did you do?
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11:59<Infiltrator>mejsa: Also, have you tried booting into the so-called rescue mode? From memory, there's a way to jump right into a root shell without a login.
11:59<aravind>ya
11:59<aravind> change rw /bin/bash
11:59<mejsa>Infiltrator: don't know exactly,yesterday i was changing persmission to /var/www thats alll,and today i cant acess via SSH and proftpd is not working either,getting http://twitpic.com/97cson
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12:00<mejsa>Infiltrator: ill try
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12:00<sney>I smell a chmod -r / var/www or so
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12:01<Infiltrator>rm -rf / is the way to go.
12:01<mejsa>sney: web works perfectly
12:01<daemonkeeper>Infiltrator: Do not _EVER_ give such advises. kthxbye
12:02<Infiltrator>daemonkeeper: Doesn't rm have a safety built into it that'll stop that, anyway?
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12:02<nevyn>Infiltrator: nope
12:02<Infiltrator>mejsa: I can't make out anything in that photo; sorry.
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12:03<Infiltrator>nevyn: According to the man page and my rm, yes.
12:03<Infiltrator>Just did 'rm -rf /'.
12:03<daemonkeeper>You set alias rm="rm -i"
12:04<jelly-home>good heavens, I absolutely HATE that alias on RHEL
12:04<Infiltrator>daemonkeeper: The man page says that '--preserve-root' is the default.
12:04<Infiltrator>So unless you say '--no-preserve-root', it will refuse to do that.
12:04<sney>but anyway
12:04<Infiltrator>sney: Good point.
12:05<sney>I still think my theory holds water
12:05<sney>if mejsa changed the permissions of _everything_ to what he wanted in /var/www, then /var/www would work as expected and everything else would be weird
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12:06<Infiltrator>For those interested: http://paste.debian.net/162517/
12:06<Infiltrator>sney: That seems most likely, yes.
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12:06<mejsa>sney: you mean like i didn't change /var/www but for entihre /var/ folder ?
12:06<sney>I mean you probably changed /
12:06<Infiltrator>Except it seems that the setuid bit on /bin/sudo has also been turned off; which is odd.
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12:07<Infiltrator>mejsa: What does 'ls -al /bin/sudo /bin/su' show?
12:08<Infiltrator>/usr/bin/sudo, that is
12:08<Infiltrator>Or '`which sudo` `which su`' to be extra sure, I suppose.
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12:08<abrotman>wtf hat ...
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12:09<Infiltrator>abrotman: You lost your wtf hat? Or are you just mad at it?
12:09<mejsa>/usr/bin/sudo doesnt exist
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12:09<Infiltrator>mejsa: Try '`which sudo`' then.
12:10<abrotman>or ls -al $(which sudo) ?
12:10<Infiltrator>ls -al $(which sudo) $(which su)
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12:11<mejsa>oh,its a| no al :-),so sudo:/etc/sudoers is mode 0777,should be 0440 and second line: no valid sudoesrs sources found,quitting
12:13<Infiltrator>mejsa: No, not a pipe; the letter l
12:13<Infiltrator>mejsa: Copy paste the line above.
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12:14<mejsa>oh,okay... im messed up :-),i cant copy it,:-(
12:14<chommik>hello
12:14<mejsa>but it looks like everything is is -rwrwrwx :-(
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12:15<Infiltrator>mejsa: There's your problem. :P
12:16<Infiltrator>It should be -rwsr-xr-x
12:16<mejsa>damn,how to fix it ?
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12:17<mejsa>rm -rf * ?
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12:17<Infiltrator>chmod 4755, I think.
12:18<Infiltrator>_only_ for sudo and su, though.
12:18<Infiltrator>Of course, you won't be able to.
12:18<Infiltrator>If you know the root password, pull up one of the other terminals ([Ctrl+]Alt+F2) and log in directly as root.
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12:19<Infiltrator>Then do 'chmod 4755 $(which sudo)' and log back out. You should be able to sudo after that.
12:19<mejsa>i have permision to the root,..
12:19<Infiltrator>And you can fix whatever else.
12:20<mejsa>account...
12:20<chommik>i've reported a bug in quotatool's github, patch has been commited to source, however upstream author didn't change version number
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12:21<chommik>should i poke him or quotatool maintainer to update the package?
12:21<jack24>can i patch the windows 7 kernel into the debian kernel? maybe using a pipe?
12:21<jack24>pipe it through gcc maybe?
12:22<Infiltrator>jack24: ...
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12:22<Infiltrator>chommik: If it's in upstream, I think probably maintainer.
12:23<chommik>he'd commited to git, but upstream version is still the same
12:23<jack24>could i do that through a symlink in grub?
12:23<Infiltrator>jack24: What are you trying to accomplish, exactly?
12:23<jack24>i could dual boot grub and lilo and symlink them together
12:23<mejsa>Infinator,is there any way how to get back the attributes of files/folder to previously
12:23<jack24>i want to get the APIs
12:23<Infiltrator>mejsa: Only if you know what to set them to.
12:23<jack24>looking to establish full native binary compatibility
12:23<Infiltrator>mejsa: Though 755 is a safe bet for folders and 644 for files.
12:24<mejsa>okay,so reinstall would work ? right ? :D
12:24<Infiltrator>jack24: I suspect that you either don't know what you're talking about or being an arse?
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12:24<Infiltrator>mejsa: If you don't mind losing everything, that would probably be the simplest way, yes.
12:24<jack24>well, why can't i makeinstall this?
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12:25<Infiltrator>arse it is.
12:25<Infiltrator>!ops jack24
12:25<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: infiltrator complains about: jack24
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12:25<jack24>:(
12:25<jack24>having a bad day or something?
12:25<Infiltrator>!ot
12:25<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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14:22<injureddeer>hello, how can i download dm-crypt source from debian repo? because i wanna edit libcryptsetup and compile
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14:24<devil>injureddeer: you have a line starting with deb src in your sources.list. it might be commented with a #. remove that
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14:27<demoniccow>Hi, i recently installed my nvidia drivers and now when im in terminal (no GUI launched) the text dosnt fit on the screen. And the font apears bigger than before.
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14:28<sney_>demoniccow: yep, the nvidia driver disables the console framebuffer
14:28<demoniccow>Is there anyway to fix that?
14:28<sney_>demoniccow: you'll need to set a gfxpayload or vga parameter for grub to raise the resolution
14:28<demoniccow>sney_, how would i do that?
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14:29<sney_>https://www.google.ca/search?q=gfxpayload
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14:29<demoniccow>thanks, ill check it out
14:30<devil>i think, vga=foo is depricated. it is in sid anyways
14:30<devil>KMS does not like vga=foo
14:30<sney_>devil: it's been officially deprecated for a while, but generally still works with a warning. but it doesn't support non-4:3/5:4 displays
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14:31<demoniccow>how would i configure it with vga= with a screen of a 1280x1024 resolution?
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14:32<sney_>I don't remember the number, want another google link? I think it starts with 77
14:32<devil>demoniccow: gfxpayload is future-safe
14:33<demoniccow>then how exactly do i configure gfxpayload?
14:33<devil>demoniccow: there is a lot of docu on that on google, specialy good from ubuntu
14:34<devil>so we can google it for you or you do it yourself
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14:36<demoniccow>i actually think i found it on a debian fourm thread, thanks
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14:40<demoniccow>ok my screen resolution is 1280x1024 but gfxpayload needs another number for somthing, sooo... 1280x1024x?
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14:42<sney_>colour bit depth
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14:42<demoniccow>basicly should i use 32 bit coloring or 16 bit coloring in terminal?
14:42<sney_>whatever floats your boat
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14:43<demoniccow>whats the command to update grub again?
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14:43<demoniccow>is it sudo update grub or grub update?
14:43<sney_>it is, unsurprisingly, update-grub
14:43<demoniccow>thanks
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14:44<sney_>you should try abusing tab complete. if you remember the first part of a command, you can type that and then hit tab to see what begins with that
14:45<demoniccow>when i run update-grub it just resets the file, so gfxpayload isnt there
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14:45<sney_>don't edit grub.cfg, edit /etc/default/grub
14:45<demoniccow>ok
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14:46<demoniccow>where should i add gfxpayload in that file?
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14:49<demoniccow>this is my grub file: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ysS8VgRp, where should i add the gfxpayload thing?
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14:51<sney_>http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition see "grub 2 and the vga parameter"
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14:58<tuxampol>in squeeze with gnome2 i would like to try openbox. can they get in conflict?
14:59<sney_>no, they can be installed separately
15:00<tuxampol>thank's for that short answer
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15:01<tuxampol>so that means i dont have to deinstall gnome2?
15:01<sney_>correct
15:02<tuxampol>_o/
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16:06<Elise>Hi all
16:07<Elise>Anybody can help me pls to setup my wifi?
16:07<Elise>=)))
16:07<aseem>Elise : start with http://wiki.debian.org/wl
16:08<Elise>ive tried it already it didnt help me =(
16:08<chealer>!tell Elise about anybody
16:08<aseem>Elise: which card ?
16:09<Elise>Xircom Mini-PCI V.90 56k Modem [115d:000c]
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16:12<jrogers>Elise, that looks like a card you have to plug in, not a wifi card
16:13<Elise>really
16:13<Elise>?
16:13<Elise>=*(
16:13<jrogers>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_10/100_Ethernet_Mini-PCI_Adapter_with_56K_Modem
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16:14<sney_>Elise: yep, that xircom is not a wifi card. if you have wifi, it's something else
16:14<Elise>ok understood ty
16:14<Elise>im poor
16:15<injureddeer>hello, how can i download dm-crypt source from debian repo? because i wanna edit libcryptsetup and compile
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16:15<injureddeer>and i can't found it in repo
16:15<injureddeer>i isntalled it with instalator
16:15<jelly-home>!tell injureddeer about package rebuild
16:15<jelly-home>!tell injureddeer about package deb-src
16:16<injureddeer>but what is name of dm-crypt
16:16<injureddeer>package
16:16<injureddeer>where is initrd/lib/libcryptsetup.so.1 in package?
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16:17<jrogers>Elise, sorry for the bad news
16:17<gdb>libcryptsetup1 and libcryptsetup-dev seem to deal with what you're wanting (as per apt-file search)
16:20<jrogers>I think that combo network card/modem was one of my first network cards in a laptop, that was about a decade ago
16:21<gdb>Same here! I was given one by work for using in my company laptop.
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16:23<jrogers>gdb, yeah, same here
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16:28<sney_>wasn't that the orange one that took up 2 slots
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16:30<jrogers>sney, I think it was full sized
16:30<wd40s>exim4 isnt needed if im not running a mail server right?
16:31<movl>wrong
16:31<movl>there is local delivery
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16:32<movl>for example, the outcomes of periodic scripts
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16:32<movl>or cronjobs
16:32<wd40s>ah, yeah i didnt know if local delivery relied on it or not
16:33<jrogers>so exim is used for local mail delivery?
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16:34<movl>IIRC, it's the default mailer in Debian
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16:38<fcrs>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, choose 'local delivery only'
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16:44<jrogers>*waves and fades to go take a nap, or slip into a chocolate coma
16:45<wd40s>thats the best kind of coma
16:46<SaZha>adrenalin injected?
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16:49<perfecto>elo
16:49<ompaul>that's it all right
16:49<perfecto>hi
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16:51<perfecto>i have a q, anyone had this error "can't assess tty; job control turned off" ?
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16:52<devil>perfecto: ĝoogle is full of it
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16:52<movl>and it's access, not assess
16:52<devil>that as well
16:53<youlysses-lt>No ... I think it's assess ( Y ) ( Y )
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16:53<movl>perfecto: Debian stable?
16:53<perfecto>*access ;]
16:53<perfecto>its Mint debian edition 64bit
16:54<movl>then go to mint's channel
16:54<movl>that would only seem logical
16:55<perfecto>ok
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17:19<doda>superstars
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17:38<calisto>alwais know (estimate)a debian 7 free date ?
17:38<sney_>!wwwr
17:38<dpkg>I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg00009.html
17:38<sney_>but probably some time around the end of 2012/beginning of 2013
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17:40<calisto>I need to create new servers based in openvz, but this is deprecated in new debian
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17:41<calisto>and Im read for lxc
17:41<bene>!list
17:41<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
17:41<calisto>full funtionalitie are in kernels 3.x
17:41<bene>che significa
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17:42<bene>vattene via perchè
17:42<bene>!list
17:42<dpkg>bene: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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17:43<scientes>calisto, if you add your user to libvirtd group and install lxc then its a security vulnerability I believe
17:43<scientes>but yeah lxc is the new way to do it
17:43<scientes>and its getting systemd integration
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17:43<scientes>or well, smartness
17:44<bene>ma qui si possono scaricare film?
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17:44<daemonkeeper>bene: NO! Adesso vattene.
17:44<scientes>!es | bene
17:44<dpkg>| bene: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
17:44<calisto>ok scientes I continue in debian 6 for two years almost
17:44<daemonkeeper>scientes: This is Italian.
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17:44<scientes>daemonkeeper, oh sorry
17:45<scientes>woah, how did dpkg know to talk to him in italian?
17:45<daemonkeeper>bene: Sei _completamente_ in un canale sbagliato per le tue richieste.
17:45<daemonkeeper>scientes: It's always Italians to ask for warez.
17:45<bene>ok scusate
17:46<daemonkeeper>scientes: Ask bene why. We have no clue.
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17:46<scientes>its the sicilian mafia!!!! :)
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18:12<enzopalla>lolita
18:12<enzopalla>lolita
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18:26<mejsa>hey guys,ive just added new disk,edited /etc/fstab how do i try if it works without rebooting the system?
18:26<Salamander>sudo mount -a
18:26<movl>mejsa: mount it
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18:35<Salamander>mejsa, so? is it working?
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18:48<b5>does anyone know what's going on with the broken synaptics driver in testing?
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18:49<b5>e.g., is there a fix for the freezing issues, or the two-finger scroll?
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18:54<devil>b5: there is a bugreport
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18:55<b5>no? ok.
18:55<b5>:-(
18:56<devil>b5: what do you mean with no?
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18:56<b5>no help on the synaptics issue?
18:56<b5>oh, i didn't see you.
18:56<b5>sry.
18:56<devil>b5: as i said, it's broken
18:56<b5>yeah, the bugreport mentions a workaround, but i can't get it to work.
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18:58<devil>why not use the one from stable until it's fixed?
18:58<b5>dpkg tells me that the ABI version is incorrect. i don't get it, really.
18:59<movl>b5: what kernel?
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19:00<b5>3.4.0 rc1, i built it. but it's refering to the xserver ABI, I think.
19:01<movl>nevertheless, try with 3.2.x
19:01<b5>i have, it's the same ish. touchpad works for about 10 minutes, freezes. bouncing X fixes it, but it's annoying.
19:02<movl>yes, I guess it is
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19:03<b5>yup. how do i pin a package to use stable, when the rest of the system is testing?
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19:07<b5>nm, got it.
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19:17<scientes>b5, man preferences
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19:22<moujik>Hi. I just installed debian squeeze xfce but the screen resolution is wrong
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19:23<moujik>it only gives me max 800x600 option
19:23<movl>what video card?
19:23<moujik>my only monitor is tv screen connected through HDMI
19:23<moujik>nvidia
19:24<movl>what driver?
19:24<scientes>moujik, what kernel version?
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19:24<scientes>uname -a
19:24<movl>and what kind of debian?
19:24<moujik>2.6.32-5-amd64
19:25<moujik>x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:25<moujik>geforce gt 430
19:27<movl>so, nouveau or nvidia?
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19:27<moujik>It's a dual boot with mandriva on another HD. I copied xorg.conf but it didn't work
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19:28<scientes>moujik, you dont need a xorg.conf
19:28<scientes>try removing the xorg.conf
19:28<moujik>I had to
19:28<scientes>what happens without it?
19:28<scientes>oh, that kernel is too old to get nouveau good
19:28<scientes>you should use the 3.2 kernel from backports
19:28<moujik>max resolution is 800x600
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19:29<moujik>scientes, how?
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19:30<scientes>!backports
19:30<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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19:31<scientes>add the line to your sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get -t squeeze-backports linux-image-amd64; reboot
19:31<scientes>*apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-amd64
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19:32<scientes>try it without nvidia nonfree driver first
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19:34<moujik>I had non-free added before
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19:35<scientes>then apt-get remove nvidia-*
19:35<scientes>(i forget the name)
19:35<moujik>I haven't installed any nvidia drivers
19:36<scientes>ok, then install the kernel from backports, remove (or rename) the xorg.conf and reboot
19:36<scientes>and see where that gets you
19:36<scientes>and if that doesn't work, you could try the nvidia driver
19:37<moujik>aptitude show nvidia*
19:37<moujik>E: Unable to locate package nvidia*
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19:37<scientes>its nvidia-glx
19:38<moujik>not installed
19:38<moujik>ok, I'm rebooting..
19:38<scientes>cool
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19:42<moujik>hi, I'm in space
19:42<moujik>I have only the biggest resolution now
19:43<moujik>1920x1080
19:43<sney_>is that the native resolution for your display/
19:43<moujik>yes
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19:45<moujik>I would like to be able to change it to say 1240x720.
19:45<moujik>Do I install nvidia-glx?
19:46<sney_>it might be forced to the native resolution by your hdmi connection, I don't know much about those but I know they can send a lot of different information about the hardware/display
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19:47<moujik>there's no problem in KDE Mandriva
19:48<scientes>moujik, its hdmi
19:48<scientes>and its digital
19:49<scientes>you dont want to use anything that the native resolution
19:49<scientes>what you can do it make your fonts bigger
19:49<scientes>*anything that is not the native resolution
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19:50<scientes>but yes, hdmi supports other resolutions, I doubt it really is limited, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and will list all, the other modes
19:50<scientes>moujik, ^
19:50<moujik>ok, thank you!
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19:51<scientes>if the display is digital, ie LCD, then i highly recommend you stay with the native resolution and just make your fonts bigger
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19:52<moujik>is there a general option in xfce4?
19:53<moujik>I'm usually far away from the screen
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19:54<moujik>(II) Unloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nv_drv.so
19:54<moujik>(==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
19:54<moujik>(==) FBDEV(0): Backing store disabled
19:54<moujik>(EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument
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19:55<RichiH>hmm, let's see if this works
19:55<RichiH>!tell moujik about paste
19:55<scientes>RichiH, he didn't rejoin
19:55<RichiH>seems like it did
19:55<RichiH>scientes: i know; it messaged him
19:55<scientes>ahh gotcha
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19:57<moujik>Sorry, why is native resolution advisable?
19:57<scientes>moujik, cause LCD monitors only have native resolution
19:57<scientes>unlike old CRTs
19:58<scientes>everything else they just have to resample
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20:03<moujik>I cannot seem to increase fonts for iceweasel
20:05<scientes>moujik, ctrl-+
20:05<scientes>moujik, and there is a add-on to make it global
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20:06<moujik>I meant window decor
20:07<moujik>I can't for instance see what I'm typing
20:07<moujik>until I post it on xchat
20:07<scientes>hmm, nor sure about that one
20:07<scientes>thats a gtk thing however
20:07<scientes>and would be global if you found the nob
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20:08<moujik>OK, thanks! I'll figutre it out
20:09<moujik>Do I need to do anything extra apart from aptitude remove gnash?
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20:21<heikkila>moujik, to do what?
20:22<moujik>to be able to install flash without conflicts
20:22<scientes>or just apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree moujik
20:23<moujik>I will need 10.3
20:23<moujik>I will have to find it
20:23<heikkila>moujik, I don't think so. If there are any conflicts I think aptitude would ask you to resolve them for you, ie. remove conflicting package.
20:24<moujik>ok, thank you!
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20:33<clos>hola
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20:54<moujik>still, it would be nice to increase the fonts globally, cause pages look funny in the browser with only middle part in use
20:55<Butthead_>t
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21:29<moujik>scientes: thanks a lot! I just discovered that a video issue I was experiencing in Mandriva with lower screen resolution is not down to anything else rather than resampling
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21:29<moujik>I would get rainbow gradient on some dark ochra frames
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22:18<wd40s>if i wanted to run the clear command on successful login through ssh, where would i put it. I tried putting it at the top of /etc/profile which works but the mail messages (i.e. no mail or you have...) gets cleared out too.
22:19<scientes>?
22:19<scientes>wd40s, what does that gain you?
22:20<scientes>wd40s, you should checkout nautilus-open-terminal
22:20<scientes>which works with sftp/ssh
22:21<wd40s>it gains me a clean screen, instead of seeing all the crap i was doing before login at the top of the terminal i just see the mail notifications and the motd. obviously i could just run clear after logging in but id rather have it done automatically
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22:22<scientes>you could put the special commands in /etc/motd
22:23<techop>hi
22:23<scientes>techop, hello
22:23<techop>having a problem with java on linux here
22:23<techop>this is because it loads the screen but components aren't visible
22:23<scientes>not my speciality at all
22:24<scientes>oooh, that stuff
22:24<scientes>yeah i think i had that once too
22:24<wd40s>yes but i have a dynamic motd so i turned off the motd and instead run an motd script at the end of /etc/profile
22:24<techop>it is very much a linux and not java thing I belive
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22:24<scientes>wd40s, then /etc/motd.tail
22:24<scientes>you can always scroll up above the clear
22:24<scientes>cause it isn't reset
22:25<techop>I think that I have had this problem in the past but not sure what the fix is and cant find it on google
22:25<nykac>hello, i am having a problem makeing a login on a tty. Logins via ssh, and kdm work, but loging in via a tty doesn't. I do not think it is even loading bash.
22:25<techop>I literally have the application open with no usable insterface
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22:28<abrotman>techop: which version of linux? which version of java ?
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22:29<techop>OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.11pre) (6b23~pre11-0ubuntu1.11.10.2)
22:29<techop>OpenJDK Server VM (build 20.0-b11, mixed mode)
22:29<abrotman>techop: this isn't #ubuntu, try irc.freenode.net
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22:29<Guest1256>HELO
22:30<techop>abrotman, have been there no help tonight
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22:30<abrotman>techop: we do not support ubuntu here .. perhaps try ##linux or ##java on freenode
22:30<techop>was hoping that this was a linux thing
22:30<abrotman>right, so ask ##linux
22:31<techop>OK thanks abrotman
22:31<abrotman>sorry, good luck
22:31<techop>I have not got an answer there to my question
22:31<techop>do you think I'm asking the wrong question?
22:32<abrotman>i have no idea .. but it's definitely offtopic here
22:32<abrotman>techop: maybe try using picpaste.com when you show it to ##linux or ##java
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22:36<techop>http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_090412_-_03_35_26-rp3tN4vR.png
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22:37<techop>1494 people and not a single answer
22:38<techop>it drivers me nuts
22:38<abrotman>techop: you're still not in the right channel, you can be banned from here if you continue
22:38<nykac_>techop: this is #debian, not #ubuntu
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23:51<joshua_>hi
23:51<sney>hi
23:51<joshua_>some know about openxava?
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23:57<sney>syn^, I see you in here, why did you ask for help in the offtopic channel?
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