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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-04-09

---Logopened Mon Apr 09 00:00:57 2012
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00:11<ytyun>quit
00:11<ytyun>exit
00:11<ytyun>!quit
00:11<dpkg>try /quit
00:11<ytyun>thx
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00:17<roughnecks>lol
00:17<roughnecks>dpkg++
00:17<dvs>!exit
00:17<dpkg>/quit you fool!
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00:28<mpthompson>Hearing nothing but crickets this evening...
00:28<fcrs>when aptitude runs, i get the following message: "dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 358234 package 'linux-image-2.6.30': error in Version string 'mydesktop.2.6.30.debian': version number does not start with digit"
00:29<fcrs>but i uninstalled and purged that custom 2.6.30 kernel package a while ago, it shouldn't be there
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00:47<laserbeak747>how can i connect to linux mint help network. normal approach isnt working ,
00:48<catsup>try installing debian
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00:49<catsup>that should fix it
00:49<Dauzc0de>hi . what tools for make our download fast ?
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00:50<laserbeak747>i m running pear os, i cant install debian
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00:52<laserbeak747>how to connect manually to linux mint help server or network?
00:52<laserbeak747>i m running pear os 4
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00:54<heikkila>laserbeak747, irc.spotchat.org
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00:59<laserbeak747>irc.spotchat.org
01:00<heikkila>/connect irc.spotchat.org or if it is /server irc.spotchat.org
01:00<sney>if you are using xchat you can right click this and connect: irc://irc.spotchat.org/linuxmint-help
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01:00<laserbeak747>yes it worked thank you mate :)
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01:08<Ionic>Hi, is there any way to log the init process to a file or via syslog?
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01:35<fcrs>ok, i solved it with this: "dpkg --clear-avail"
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02:11<Ionic>mh maybe bootlogd
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04:01<EmleyMoor>My mouse pointer is the one for text boxes and I can't click much as a result. How do I resolve it?
04:01<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... sorted
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05:20<TheAppmann>hez
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05:40<Anastasia95>hi all
05:41<Anastasia95>my audio and microphone dont work
05:41<Anastasia95>what should i do pls help me?
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05:45<devil>at least give ppl a chance to answer
05:45<amphi_>!alsa checklist
05:45<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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05:45<devil>amphi_: he/she/it is gone
05:46<devil>patience is an outdated virtue
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05:49<amphi_>devil: so they were; & I am badly lagged here
05:49<amphi_>if I recall correctly 14 seconds was the shortest I've seen between asking and /parting
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05:50<devil>yeah, i find it unpolite
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05:55<asm>irc://irc.otaku-irc.fr/Serial_Us
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06:34<supersemko>ctrl+alt+bkspace doesnt work to kill x under xfce 4.8
06:34<supersemko>which command should i use?
06:35<bitman>execute this in a separate terminal to enable ctrl+alt+bkspace
06:35<bitman>setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
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06:36<supersemko>bitman: that just logs me out
06:37<supersemko>hmmmm :s
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07:21<Ariel>Hello
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07:22<Guest1286>I would like ask about bash programing.
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07:23<ompaul>!bash
07:23<dpkg>hmm... bash is the Bourne Again SHell, and the default Debian shell. Ask me about <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls>, <bbg>, <abs>, <parsing ls>, <bashism>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bash #bash on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net.
07:23<Guest1286>Exist such a function In the bash language, which not wait until the user press a key on the keyboard? Like Pascal KeyPressed i think.
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07:25<ompaul>Guest1286: best ask in #bash on freenode or here
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07:25<ompaul>there are more people in the freenode #bash
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07:29<Samkov>I could use some advise, I am thinking highly about buying a thinkpad, I am kind of set on the t61, but would also consider newer models like the t420, t510 or t520 does anyone have any thoughts/recommendations or know about the squeeze compadibility with any of these?
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07:30<ompaul>Samkov: the t420 needs one piece of help do /msg dpkg kumto yuou need that kernel for the 420 and squeeze
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07:31<XeonBloomfield>People
07:31<XeonBloomfield>How to resize file system loop image (ext2 fs) in file "data.img" from 256MB to 512MB?
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07:43<cthuluh>XeonBloomfield: make backups, losetup the .img, apply resize2fs, then use dd
07:43<cthuluh>(rather, that's what I'd try)
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07:44<cthuluh>ah, you want to *increase* its size
07:44<XeonBloomfield>cthuluh: I did - dd if=/dev/zero of=data.img oflag=append conv=notrunc bs=1M count=256
07:44<XeonBloomfield>cthuluh: then resize2fs
07:44<cthuluh>yup, that sounds better, in that case :)
07:44<XeonBloomfield>cthuluh: of course I did fsck first - fsck.ext2 -fyc data.img
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07:45<cthuluh>you'd better do another fsck *after*, also
07:46<XeonBloomfield>cthuluh: I checked if fs is valid by "file data.img"
07:46<XeonBloomfield>cthuluh: data.img is checked every boot of system which use it :D
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07:47<AquaL1te>hi all, i've edited my /etc/sysctl.conf and there are no errors when i run 'sysctl -p'. but the configurations i made aren't loaded at boot time. i also copied the sysctl.conf into /etc/sysctl.d/ but it had no effect. the systcl.conf did work before because the old settings are still loaded. any ideas how this happend and how i could proceed?
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07:47<cthuluh>*shrug* file(1) is by no mean a file system validity test
07:48<XeonBloomfield>cthuluh: It only shows if file is valid AS FILE
07:48<XeonBloomfield>cthuluh: As I wrote - data.img fs is checked by e2fsck every boot of system which use it...
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07:49<cthuluh>XeonBloomfield: yes, I know how to read :)
07:49<XeonBloomfield>cthuluh: I glad to hear that :D
07:49<cthuluh>XeonBloomfield: I just wanted to point out that checking the filesystem just after having resized it doesn't take much time and saves you from possible troubles later
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07:50<cthuluh>AquaL1te: iirc, the procps script is supposed to load them
07:50<cthuluh>AquaL1te: so, add something to this script to see if it has correcly been ran by the system at reboot
07:51<AquaL1te>cthuluh: i'll check it, thanks!
07:51<cthuluh>alternatively, you could comment the line ''QUIET_SYSCTL="-q"'' in this procps script
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07:54<johanadelc>hay alguien que hable español?
07:54<ompaul>!es
07:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:55<johanadelc>ok gracias?
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08:18<anao2>does anyone know how to resize gnome 3.2 icon size at apps tab?
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08:33<Guest1286>bash programer are here?
08:34<movl>#bash
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08:35<Guest1286>There inactive people
08:35<movl>try Freenode, it's a populated channel
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08:36<Guest1286>thanks
08:36<movl>yw
08:36<Guest1286>no one is there
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08:38<kop>Guest1286: irc.freenode.net, but you'll find the most of the experts are in both channels. To get an answer you have to ask a question. (Type "/msg dpkg anyone" into your irc client.)
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09:11<mikislav>hello everybodie, a would like to ask...
09:11<mikislav>I have xubuntu 11.10 and I want xubuntu 12:04 beta. But I have 2 partition (/, home)
09:11<mikislav>how to reinstall, to have home with all files, but without old apps
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09:12<movl>!ubuntu
09:12<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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09:24<netpage>irc://irc.thebox.bz/#thebox.bz
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09:36<ribe>has something cghanged the way debian handles PDF files?
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09:37<Sillencer>Hi... I instaled debian on a external HDD, I get welcome to GRUB message , and that's all. Any ideas ?
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09:38<ayaka>hiw to check wether there is the same ip in used in network
09:38<ayaka>hiw to check wether there is the same ip in used in network
09:38<ayaka>s/hiw/how
09:39<Sillencer>??
09:40<ayaka>hms will tell you there is the same in used,but linux won't
09:40<ayaka>s/hms/ms windoes
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09:41<robert_>ayaka, check to see what IP is in use on another box
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09:41<robert_>ayaka, and if it matches what is on the offending linux box, change it
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09:41<robert_>IMO, that's about the only way you can find out and fix the problem if it exists. However, if you assign your machines IP addresses via DHCP, then that should, in theory, never happen.
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09:43<ayaka>robert_ well, I don't use dhcp,but if don't config dhcp ranage properly,it will have the same program,ping can't fix it because some pc block ping
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09:45<robert_>ping was not designed to do that
09:46<robert_>ayaka, trying doing an 'ifconfig /release' and then 'ifconfig /renew' on the Linux machine (I believe that is the correct command *smiles*). if this machine is configured to use dhcp, then that should release the ip address and renew it.
09:47<robert_>ayaka, since you don't use dhcp, then change the static ip address on the linux box or on the windows box that has the same ip
09:47<ayaka>I am sure I don't use dhcp
09:48<ayaka>robert_ the problem is welther linux can do the same thing
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09:59<fcrs>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/how-to-detection-of-ip-conflict-in-linux-739544/
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10:00<fcrs>there's another one called arp-scan
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10:03<movl>there's nmap and netcat as well
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10:05<ayaka>fcrs robert_ movl thank you
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10:12<nsadmin>ayaka, do you actually have an ip conflict (or did at the time)?
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10:17<ayaka>nsadmin not now, I just remember it
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11:16<willrandship>I've got a weird problem
11:16<willrandship>when I do m-a auo-install nvidia-glx
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11:17<willrandship>it says there was an error, but the log file is completely empty excepting stating the log was opened
11:17<willrandship>which, to me, says 'no error'
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11:20<babilen>!tell willrandship -about nvidia dkms
11:20<babilen>willrandship: DKMS is strongly preferred over m-a and I would recommend to use that.
11:21<jordanm>willrandship: nvidia-glx is the xorg driver, not the kernel module
11:21<babilen>and ^^^^
11:21<willrandship>ok...
11:21<babilen>"m-a a-i nvidia" would probably do the right thing -- but *please* use DKMS
11:21<willrandship>so I'll install nvidia-glx-dkms then
11:21<babilen>!nvidia m-a
11:21<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel". After successful module compilation, "aptitude -r install nvidia-glx && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
11:21<babilen>!nvidia dkms
11:21<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>.
11:22<willrandship>i'll do that then thanks
11:22<babilen>willrandship: ^^^^ Use the nvidia dkms method ^^
11:22<willrandship>it's been a while
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11:22<willrandship>just upgrading an old laptop's kernel
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11:24<babilen>willrandship: From what to what?
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11:24<willrandship>3.0 to 3.2, pae
11:24<willrandship>nothing too extreme
11:24<babilen>backports?
11:24<willrandship>yeah
11:25<willrandship>well, I know it's working now: I just saw the nvidia logo :P
11:25<willrandship>thanks
11:25<babilen>Ok -- You should have mentioned that earlier. In that case you most likely want to install a different kernel header metapackage. I would recommend to install both linux-image-686 and linux-headers-686 from squeeze-backports. After you have done that you can install nvidia-kernel-dkms from backports as well.
11:25*robert_ wonders if he should upgrade the kernel in his debian vm
11:26<willrandship>I already had the headers installed right
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11:27<willrandship>wait, I don't think it was backports, I just upgraded to testing
11:28<willrandship>let me ch\eck
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11:30<babilen>willrandship: If you upgraded to testing I would recommend to ask in #debian-next and tell us that you are running testing. :)
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11:30<willrandship>well, it worked anyhow, thanks!
11:30<babilen>yw
11:30<willrandship>luckily dkms is just a metapackage
11:30<willrandship>bye
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11:34<rebli>is cinnamom in sid?
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11:35<babilen>!tell rebli -about cinnamon
11:37<rebli>?
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11:40<sleeper>Hey guys i have a little problem, my box seems to go into standby mode after around 15 min
11:40<sleeper>where would the configuration for power options be?
11:42<babilen>rebli: You should have received a private message from our bot dpkg that contains more details about cinnamon in Debian. The short answer to your question is: Not yet
11:42<fcrs>sleeper: the whole box or just the screen?
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11:42<sleeper>the screen
11:42<sleeper>it comes back if i move the mouse or press the keyboard
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11:44<fcrs>try "xset -dpms"
11:44<Head>@sleeper what do you mean by 'your box'?
11:44<sleeper>@head i mean my computer where i installed debian
11:45<Head>kay
11:45<Head>@sleeper it's not ubuntu ??
11:45<sleeper>@head no
11:45<fcrs>or "xset dpms x x x", where x is the time in seconds before the monitor goes to standby, if you just want it to be longer
11:45<sleeper>@fcrs thanks i tried the command
11:46<sleeper>@fcrs gotta wait to see if it works
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11:46<afuentes>i log in a remote headless server with ssh -X, then use su otheruser to change user, then i try to launch some X app, and it tells me it cant find the DISPLAY. Can anybody give me a pointer to where to look at
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11:52<valdyn>afuentes: you cant use su
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11:55<afuentes>valdyn, what is preventing to launch the X? any workaround or preferred way to do it?
11:56<fcrs>preferred would be to ssh -X directly to 'otheruser'
11:57<afuentes>fcrs, mmm i see... thanks :)
11:58<afuentes>anyway, just so i understand better how it works, what is preventing it to launch X?
11:58<afuentes>the env?
11:58<afuentes>i tried setting the DISPLAY by hand and it did not work either :/
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12:01<fcrs>i think it has to do with the security mechanisms in X11
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12:04<fcrs>afuentes: try installing sux, i've never used it but it could work for what you're doing
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12:05<afuentes>wow, awesome fcrs :D
12:06<fcrs>afuentes: install it on the machine you're ssh'ing into of course
12:06<fcrs>assuming you have access
12:06<afuentes>ill just add my key to the user, seems more straight forward
12:06<afuentes>since it does not have password
12:07<afuentes>but is good to know the sux thing for future reference where i cant do that
12:07<afuentes>thanks!
12:07<sleeper>@fcrs it still does it
12:07<sleeper>@fcrs i checked the bios settings, doesn't seem to be in there
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12:10<valdyn>afuentes: i dont know how it works exactly. If you can log in as root you can use "sudo ssh -X hostname"
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12:11<valdyn>afuentes: or you can use sux instead of sudo, but you cant use "su"
12:11<valdyn>!sux
12:11<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about; ask me about <u>.
12:11<valdyn>afuentes: ^^
12:12<afuentes>yup, im root on the machine
12:12<afuentes>i was suing into other user
12:12<afuentes>im not sure i get the sudo ssh -x thing
12:13<valdyn>afuentes: "su" only changes your user id, but that is not enough to run X apps
12:13<valdyn>afuentes: "/msg dpkg root x"
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12:13<fcrs>sleeper: hmm, the power management stuff is usually bundled with the screensaver settings, try looking in there
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12:14<afuentes>thanks valdyn!
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12:18<fcrs>sleeper: or try xset dpms 0 0 0, and report back in 15 :)
12:19<sleeper>@fcrs i orginally didnt do it as root user, so i tried it under root
12:20<sleeper>@fcrs now i do xset q and it tells me dpms is off
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12:23<pucci>ciao
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12:23<pucci>!list
12:23<dpkg>pucci: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
12:23<fcrs>sleeper: it shouldn't go to standby then, depending on the other settings, the screensaver might still come on, or it might turn black, but it shouldn't turn off / go on standby
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12:23<kraken>buenas
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12:39<sleeper>@fcrs it worked! thank you, now i need to make it permanent
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12:40<sleeper>@fcrs i restarted the computer and now dpms is enabled again
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12:42<cthuluh>this is not twitter, @sleeper ;)
12:42<sney>protip: adding a @ to someone's nick in IRC makes it not set off their highlight
12:43<cthuluh>sleeper: so, just type the first letters of someone's nick, and hit TAB
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12:49<fcrs>sleeper: several options, in xorg.conf, in ~/.xsession, others depending on your desktop environment
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12:50<fcrs>.xsession is probably easier cause you can use the same xset command, and xorg.conf is deprecated
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13:16<intore>hi, am using ubuntu 10.10. could ask something here? on #ubuntu i didn't find anyone to help me
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13:20<sney>intore, sorry, #debian only supports Debian installs. try the ubuntu forums
13:20<intore>i tried, ok thanks
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13:22<archio>Hi all.
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13:22<archio>I'm having problems with GTK3 based application in a GTK2 environment.
13:22<ProgVal>hi
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13:34<salaria>Anyone here
13:34<salaria>Need help plz
13:35<blast007>just ask your question and wait ;)
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13:36<salaria>I have a package of HJ Split. Its in .tar.gz package.... How can i install it
13:36<salaria>I could install only .deb packages
13:37<salaria>but im not getting how to install these packages in compressed file like .tar.gz or .tar.gz2
13:38<EmleyMoor>salaria: Those are the kind that often need building. Unpack it somewhere (your home directory perhaps) with tar xvzf ... and read any instructions in the files
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13:39<salaria>ok wait im trying
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13:39<EmleyMoor>If it's not available in Debian, you can build it yourself - but as it's not a Debian package, it won't be supported here - help with getting it to build might be, though
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13:41<blast007>doesn't look like it's open-source anyways. sounds like it's just a binary they package up in a tar.gz.
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13:42<EmleyMoor>blast007: Could be...
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13:42<salaria>great it ws just a file and i simply double clicked and it got executed
13:42<salaria>hala
13:43<EmleyMoor>salaria: You may want to make more permanent arrangements for it, but at least you now know about it
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13:44<salaria>EmleyMoor, yeah, im new to linux, a newbie, its still a long journey :)
13:45<sney>salaria, aren't you using ubuntu
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13:51<salaria>sney, yes, Im using ubuntu 10.04
13:51<retrospectacus>salaria: you're in the wrong place, this is #debian
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13:51<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc salaria
13:51<dpkg>salaria: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
13:52<salaria>oh.. sorry, im going :)
13:52<salaria>tx
13:52<salaria>guys
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14:00<archio>I'm having problems with GTK3 based application in a GTK2 environment.
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14:01<sney>ask your full question
14:01<sney>but it probably isn't supported
14:02<archio>I'm using XFCE for DE, when I use GTK3 application, they look ugly
14:02<retrospectacus>no doubt
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14:02<archio>But I can't find an expression to use on Google
14:03<movl>"xfce gtk3 apps"
14:03<retrospectacus>+ "style"
14:03<archio>It doesn't work
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14:05<archio>I've already tried to make a gtk-3.0 folder with its settings.ini, but it doesn't work
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14:05<Sara>hi all
14:05<archio>Hi
14:05<Sara>i am sara
14:06<sney>archio, it's not going to work that well regardless of what you do, gtk3 apps are just not designed to be very backwards compatible
14:06<Sara>how linux is best for old laptop 250 ram and 1.2 proc
14:06<archio>debian stable
14:06<archio>puppy
14:06<Sara>i am talk now from lubuntu
14:07<archio>I've used debian 5.0 on a 256 RAM & PIII @ 550MHz
14:07<sney>Sara, debian stable should run fine on that, www.debian.org there is an installer link on the upper right part of the page
14:07<archio>Try debian stable, if you aren't satisfied then try puppy.
14:07<Sara>kk
14:07<Sara>how config modem usb ?
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14:08<archio>Anyway don't expect to browse youtube and so.
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14:08<archio>Which modem?
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14:08<Sara>usb unway
14:08<archio>Model?
14:08<Sara>modem
14:08<sney>haha
14:08<archio>Nono, modem model
14:09<movl>archio: youtube's html5 works on a PIII
14:09<archio>I mean...does it's a built in modem or an external one?
14:09<archio>Mah I've tried, but it's painful
14:09<Sara>come my irc server irc.anonops.bz 6667 channel #polska
14:09<archio>I've problems with a dualcore @1,8Ghz
14:09<sney>movl, aye, should be fine. I had a test LAMP server on a system not much better than that
14:10<sney>archio that's probably a different issue, maybe video acceleration
14:10<sney>Sara, no, if you want debian support we will help you here, but please don't advertise your own irc
14:10<Sara>oki
14:10<sney>Sara, you can also try irc.freenode.net #debian-pl for help in polish
14:10<archio>So, if GTK3 isn't well designed for what concern backward compatibility, what should I do?
14:10<Sara>lubunti is cool ?
14:11<sney>Sara, never used it, I use debian
14:11<Sara>how i need + instal for lubuntu
14:11<movl>Sara: you said you are just using it
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14:11<Sara>sec
14:11<movl>I smell a troll
14:11<sney>archio, either suck it up until debian 7 releases, or upgrade to testing, or ..?
14:11<archio>How do you get video acceleration on an AGP board?
14:12<sney>movl, yeah sometimes esl looks like that
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14:12<sney>archio, depends on the board.
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14:12<archio>Why do I have to wait debian 7 for GTK-thing?
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14:12<archio>Wait, does the actual testing will be debian 7=
14:12<archio>?
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14:12<sney>debian 7 will ship with gnome3 as default, and thus support gtk3 apps fully
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14:13<archio>Oh no, GNOME3
14:13<sney>yes, the current testing codenamed 'wheezy' will eventually release as debian 7.0. probably around the end of the year.
14:13<Sara>send me PrrScr for my http://www.facebook.com/sara.devilwitch your deskop ok ?
14:13<sney>Sara, no.
14:13<gnugr>!ops Sara
14:13<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnugr complains about: Sara
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14:15<archio>Ah I've put wheezy backports in sources, obviously apt complains that the repository doesn't exist
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14:15<archio>But in 2013 it will work, right?
14:15<abrotman>no such thing!
14:16<sney>archio, well, wheezy backports will come about eventually, but what makes you think that's what you want?
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14:19<archio>This is not my computer
14:19-!-Guest1264 is now known as alrekur
14:19<archio>I'm preparing it for my beer-customer
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14:20<archio>He's not a computer expert, so I can't teach him to edit sources.list
14:20<movl>what's a beer-customer? :P
14:20<archio>So I've put them in now for the futer
14:20<archio>No wait, wrong word
14:20<sney>(someone who pays with beer, i guess)
14:20<archio>beer-tender
14:20<archio>bartender->beertender
14:21<movl>:))
14:21<movl>nice
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14:21<archio>He will pay with beer obviously
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14:21<sney>archio, anyway, saddling someone with an eventual automatic upgrade from one stable release to the next is about the last thing you want to do
14:22<sney>since it can introduce system breakage in some cases
14:22<archio>It's not an upgrade.
14:22<sney>yes, but you're putting wheezy-backports in there for some reason? wheezy-backports will only apply to wheezy systems
14:22<archio>I'm on wheezy now and it will follow it to stable
14:22<sney>oh. you should have said that.
14:23<archio>I'm using wheezy, but since wheezy isn't stable yet, backports don't exist
14:23<archio>They will exist in end-2012
14:23<sney>they are likely to appear in small numbers 2-3 months after wheezy releases
14:23<archio>I don't want him to have Firefox 15 in 2014
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14:24<archio>While in 2014 Firefox will be at version 35
14:24<archio>I've found on Google that I should try an hybrid theme to avoid that annoyng problem
14:24<archio>Do you know decent GTK2/3 themes?
14:24<archio>For XFCE?
14:25<movl>archio: you should already have some installed
14:25<sney>I haven't looked at gtk theming in years, but freshmeat.net used to be the place to find them
14:25<archio>I've looked on xfce look.org but they're ugly
14:25<movl>xfce-look.org
14:25<archio>Done.
14:25<fcrs>Sara: for old hardware, it's more about choosing a lightweight desktop (such as lxde) and apps than choice of stable/testing/sid
14:25<archio>fcrs Sara is a troll or a bot
14:26<fcrs>oh, sorry for my slowness
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14:27<archio>How is called the dark version of Adwaita?
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14:37<abrotman>wtf is archio ?
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14:45<archio>wtf what?
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14:49<luizqwerty>How I protect my debian 6 from a fork bomb attack like this: :(){ :|: & };:
14:49<luizqwerty>?
14:49<Rydekull>luizqwerty: ... you should know better
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14:51<movl>and you should know what a fork bomb is
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14:52<retrospectacus>luizqwerty: ulimit + brains
14:52<archio>deny it
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14:52<masroor>#ubuntu
14:52<Rydekull>movl: im quite sure he knew what it was
14:53<Rydekull>(im also sure you meant me, but, pasting forkbombs is usually a reason to get kicked out, since its bad practice)
14:53<Rydekull>and often a bad attempt at trolling
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14:54<movl>Rydekull: I meant him
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14:55<luizqwerty>write this: "* hard nprox 100" at /etc/security/limits.conf, does not work
14:58<luizqwerty>i'll read about ulimit
14:59<retrospectacus>luizqwerty: a fork bomb is not really an "attack", it's something a stupid person runs, like "rm -fr /var"
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15:02<kavink>ciao
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15:05<lord_rob>sometimes you can do the same kind of stupid actions when you are distracted ...
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15:05<retrospectacus>hooray for backups :)
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15:05<lord_rob>retrospectacus: ^
15:05<lord_rob>indeed
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15:06<lord_rob>but it's not what I'm used to do :-/
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15:06<fcrs>lord_rob: yes, like trying to use rm on files beginning with $, oops
15:07<lord_rob>:)
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15:07<lord_rob>use <TAB>
15:08<lord_rob>no use \
15:08<sney>and make sure you don't accidentally hit space
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15:08<lord_rob>:)
15:09<sney>we had someone in here who accidentally chmod'ed the entire filesystem due to a wayward space earlier this week
15:09<retrospectacus>single quotes work well
15:09<fcrs>the \tab actually added the '\', but being tired, i thought it was an error and erased the '\' before running rm
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15:12<lord_rob>the better rule is : "when you are tire tire, stop being a nerd, your bed awaits you, or a glass of whisky :)"
15:12<fcrs>it erased most of an offline windows system folder, maybe it was divine intervention :)
15:12<lord_rob>s/tire/tired/
15:13<archio>How does I change background color in GTK3 themes?
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15:13<lord_rob>yep me either that's what it does but god is not cool all the time for me
15:14<lord_rob>s/does/did
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15:15<lord_rob>reinstalling an OS is always a PITA
15:15<lord_rob>linux is easier now, but before it was very difficult to set up a debian box for me
15:15<archio>Argh GTK suck balls
15:16<lord_rob>archio: go KDE
15:16<archio>If I use a GTK3 theme, it will mess up GTK2 application
15:16<archio>If I use GTK2 theme, it will mess up GTK3 application
15:16<archio>I can't, I've to use a light DM
15:16<lord_rob>KDE is teh r0x0rz
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15:16<lord_rob>hehe
15:16<lord_rob>:p
15:16<archio>KDE is light like an Hummer
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15:16<archio>And i want a DE, not a brainfuck.
15:16<movl>go LXDE/OB/FB/....
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15:17<archio>LXDE has the same problem.
15:17<sney>why light? how old is the hardware? I'm running wheezy with gnome3 on a 2007-era laptopl and everything is fine, smooth, etc
15:17<archio>It's enough old
15:18<archio>2002
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15:18<archio>I'm running GNOME3 on a E3850 + GTX260 and it's bloating
15:18<archio>I don't want to know what it will do to this laptop
15:18<archio>oSUSE with KDE is fastest than arch + GNOME3
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15:18<sney>what gpu does the laptop have
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15:19<archio>radeon 9xxx
15:19<archio>no gpu acceleration anywaty
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15:19<archio>And G3 sucks, so I don't care about it.
15:19<sney>on a radeon 9xxx series you just need to install firmware-linux-nonfree and you'll have functional gpu accel
15:20<archio>Done
15:20<__Alex_>archio: Try XFCE, it's fast and nice, and on linux supports device mounting.
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15:20<archio>I'm using XFCE
15:20<__Alex_>:)
15:20<archio>I simply need a theme
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15:20<__Alex_>dusk is a good one
15:20<archio>Adwaita seems to be fine, but it mess up colors
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15:20<archio>Dusk...lemme see.
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15:23<youlysses>I love GTK3, I don't like how GTK2 apps dont try to conform to it, when set ...
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15:25<archio>I've downloaded 2 themes
15:26<archio>I've put them in ~/.themes
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15:26<archio>But I see only 1 of them from Appearance
15:26<archio>Why?
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15:28<youlysses>Wait are you it GNOME2 or 3 archio?
15:29<__Alex_>youlysses: He's in XFCE
15:29<archio>I'm with XFCE
15:29<archio>I've unpacked Adwaita-Dark and Xfce-dusk-gtk3
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15:29<archio>Adwaita-Dark is choosable, Dusk no
15:29<archio>Why?
15:30<__Alex_>Maybe the theme format is not supported? Maybe a corrupted theme?
15:30<archio>T_T
15:30<archio>Wait
15:31<archio>The archive is called 141404-xfce_dusk_gtk3-1_3
15:31<archio>But inside it there is
15:31<youlysses>Never used XFCE long enough to find interest to customize it .... :-L
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15:31<archio>Xfce-dusk-gtk3
15:31<archio>So how I've to call the theme?
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15:32<__Alex_>My guess would be Xfce-dusk-gtk3
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15:32<archio>Doesn't working...
15:32<archio>Re-downloading
15:32<chealer>!tell archio about enter
15:33<archio>What is enter?
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15:33<__Alex_>!enter
15:33<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
15:33<archio>True.
15:33<kop>archio: The bot should have sent you a private message. You'll have to figure out your irc client to see how to read it.
15:34<archio>....Dusk works with GTK2 but not with GTK3, Dusk-gtk3 works with GTK3 but now with GTK2.
15:34<archio>It can't be so messy!
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15:40<archio>Too hard install a working GTK theme, I give up
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15:40<__Alex_>Lol, good thing i don't use any GTK3 apps
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15:42<__Alex_>win 5
15:42<__Alex_>(oops, forgot the slash)
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15:55<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:02<delx>I'm trying to dpkg-buildpackage' a library. I get: dh_install: libvarnish-mod-curl-dev missing files (usr/include/*), aborting <- Any hint where I have to dig for more detail?
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16:06<micove>delx: most likely there is a libvarnish-mod-curl-dev.install file with the line "usr/include/*" ..... when dh_install tries to copy debian/tmp/usr/include/* to debian/libvarnish-mod-curl-dev/usr/include it finds that debian/usr/include/ is empty
16:07<micove>debian/tmp/use/include/ is empty*
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16:07<micove>usr*
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16:13<delx>micove, you were right. I removed it and now I get: dh_install: libvarnish-mod-curl0 missing files (usr/lib/lib*.so.*), aborting <- It seems I have a bigger problems. The files aren't at the right places, right?
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16:20<micove>delx, I could not find the libvarnish-mod-curl-dev package in debian or squeeze so I'm not sure if this the appropriate channel. Assuming the package at some point worked, then most likely either the package is not building right or the --libdir --includedir passed to the configure script, cmake, etc is wrong. Most likely you don't want to change the install files.
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16:22<delx>micove, it's a software I want to get a debian package for. I try #debian-mentors. Thank you.
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16:55<p1n1n0>hello
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16:58<TaKeN>Hello
17:00<TaKeN>Anyone know how to disable in Debian 6.0.4 patch suhosin in php ?
17:00<TaKeN>from CLI
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17:01<fcrs>TaKeN: there's a separate package for suhosin, you could just remove it
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17:02<TaKeN>fcrs: nope in 6.0.4 suhusin is enable by default
17:03<TaKeN>i install normal php5 package from portage and got PHP 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Feb 10 2012 13:05:56)
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17:03<fcrs>portage?
17:03<TaKeN>eee apt-get install php5
17:03<TaKeN>;>
17:03<TaKeN>i mean this
17:04<fcrs>for debian, there is php5-suhosin which can be removed to disable suhosin
17:04<TaKeN>sorry i was gentoo user ;-) i don`t know what is in debian
17:04<TaKeN>fcrs: nope there is only php5 :) trust me
17:04<TaKeN>in 6.0.4 You got only php5 WITH suhosin
17:04<TaKeN>there is no php5 and php5-suhosin
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18:58<MikelKing>#puppet
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19:03<@abrotman>no?
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19:07<m2kl>server irc.Abjects.net
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19:54<archio>Hi all.
19:55<archio>I'm having problems with theme editing.
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19:58<archio>fuccheggiatevi tutti.
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22:29<scientes>how do i log out of gnome-shell without a mouse?
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22:29<sney>good question
22:29<nevyn>alt-F4?
22:30<scientes>.][
22:30<scientes>turns ut ctrl-alt-delete works
22:30<scientes>but it doesn't work in unity
22:30<scientes>so i didn't try it for a while
22:30<sney>hardly shocking that ubuntu's custom hodgepodge would be different
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22:45-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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23:05<scientes>what is SIGTRAP/
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