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---Logopened Thu Apr 12 00:00:59 2012
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00:15<nodots>if I ssh into my system, how do I send messages to someone logged in?
00:16<nodots>when I was using PCLinuxOS, I just echoed out to /dev/pts/0. How do I do this on Debian?
00:17<haylo>talk , mail , ytalk
00:17<nodots>are those installed by default?
00:17<nodots>I am looking for a mechanism that is installed by default.
00:18<haylo>i am not sure debian people really anwser lots of questions- if i were you id wait till you had something really hard to figure
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00:19<haylo>mail is part of every linux system ive ever used- but im just a normal user
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00:20<nodots>yeah, but mail doesn't give you an info popup in gnome...
00:20<nodots>I want to send a message whose existence won't go ignored
00:20<haylo>you could use remote desktop and just move a big message in their face
00:20<haylo>lol
00:21<nodots>Love that idea, but it has to be in a default install...
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00:23<nodots>how do I send messages using the same pop-up system as the info pop-ups that the system uses? Like when your eth0 goes down?
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00:29<nodots>wow, libnotify1 is installed by default, but not libnotify-bin?
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00:37<anthony>hey hows it going
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00:44<kop>nodots: What do you mean "by default"? A minimal install contains very little, certainly no gui.
00:47<nodots>default as in "I clicked yes/ok to accept everything as presented"
00:48<nodots>libnotify is what I was looking for, but the binary wasn't installed - just the lib
00:48<haylo>and you use that to send messages?
00:49<nodots>binary meaning the elf to actually DO it
00:49<jm_>the binary is in -bin
00:49<nodots>jm_: yes, found that out and rectified... ;)
00:51<nodots>is there a way to tie an instance to '/dev/pts/0'?
00:52<nodots>or is /dev/pts/0 tied to something else?
00:52<kop>nodots: You might be able to use 'write' to send to pts0
00:54<nodots>kop: I'll check that out now...
00:56<kop>nodots: Why not just: printf foo > /dev/pts/0 ?
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00:57<nodots>nothing is poping up in the user's screen...
00:58<nodots>kop: I am used to a simple 'echo "message" >> /dev/pts/0', but that doesn't work
00:58<jm_>and you're sure user's tty is /dev/pts/0?
00:59<jm_>and they allow messages?
00:59<nodots>how is it changed to allow/disallow?
00:59<jm_>man mesg
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01:04<nodots>jm_: that only works if they have a terminal open. the users I will be notifying probably will not...
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01:07<nodots>I think that my old KDE based distro linked /dev/pts/0 to a notify-send daemon
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01:10<nodots>/dev/pts/0 seems to do nothing, no matter what/how I send...
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01:30<nodots>what I am looking for is a 'notify-send' that can be used from within php, so my server can pop-up info for me.
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02:19<moujik>Hi guys! Your grub2 totally destroyed mandrivas grub, although it said that it found it during the installation
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02:20<moujik>VFS: Cannot open root device, if I try to boot into mandriva
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02:21<moujik>debian 3.0.0, mandriva 2.6.33.7
02:21<jm_>my grub? definitely not
02:22<moujik>debian
02:22<moujik>ujnable to mount root fs on unknown block(o,o)
02:23<moujik>panic
02:23<jm_>verify if it uses the right initrd/root device for it
02:23<moujik>UUID, i'm not a robot
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02:25<moujik>how could I verify that?
02:25<jm_>you can see it in grub.cfg
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02:26<moujik>but how would I know if it's the right one. I cannot get into mandriva
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02:27<jm_>the path it's being loaded from will reveal it, i.e. compare to /proc/partitions etc - that doesn't matter as you can mount its fs in debian
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02:29<jm_>the same goes for kernel image
02:30<nodots>moujik: you can use 'blkid' to get the UUID of every mountable fs in debian, then use that info to check any UUID data in grub, if that's how it is setup.
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02:31<moujik>well it looks as though it mentions the right UUID
02:31<jm_>(you can also compare an entry in debian's grub.cfg with that of mandriva)
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02:34<moujik>initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img for mandriva
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02:35<jm_>is that the right partition for it?
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02:35<moujik>where for debian it's without (hd0,0)
02:35<nodots>moujik: it sounds like your kernel and initrd are loading, it's just that your / partition isn't found...
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02:35<jm_>debian's one is $root/... so check what root is set to
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02:37<moujik>they're all set to what they're supposed to
02:37<nodots>moujik: instead of root=/dev/sda1, you might be able to use root=UUID=3d74a094-bc7e-4898-aca4-c6e10b55c594 (for example)
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02:37<nodots>moujik: for the append line, i mean
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02:39<nodots>moujik: I had a problem with using /dev/sda1, etc. so I now use UUID instead. (some systems find drives in a different order)
02:39<moujik>oops, root=.... resume=something else
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02:40<nodots>moujik: resume is not the root partition
02:40<nodots>moujik: resume is used for suspend
02:40<moujik>debian has not got resujme only mandriva
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02:41<nodots>moujik: I'm just saying that a bad resume will make it not suspend, it will not affect a normal boot
02:42<moujik>ok
02:42<akulah>hello guys
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02:43<nodots>you can even remove the resume= part of the append, and be fine (if you don't suspend/resume)
02:43<akulah>I just want to ask where did wine dissapeared?
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02:43<akulah>I am running testing and I cannot find it using apt
02:43<jm_>akulah: someone has drank it
02:43<akulah>:)
02:43<jm_>!why is wine not in testing
02:43<dpkg>wine is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine
02:43<nodots>if you *need* it, winehq.org
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02:44<akulah>well there is no program on linux to add embedded subtitles to divx file for my standalone divx player
02:45<moujik>how do you use blkid?
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02:45<akulah>thanks
02:45<nodots>moujik: as root
02:46<nodots>moujik: it will not work as user
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02:46<jm_>akulah: check if you can install it from sid, but make sure you know what you're doing
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02:47<nodots>moujik: it only tells you the UUID and label
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02:47<moujik>it just blinks
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02:51<nodots>moujik: how are you running it? by starting a terminal and then typing it in?
02:51<moujik>yes
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02:52<nodots>what do you mean it just blinks?
02:52<moujik>sorry, i didn't specify devices
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02:52<nodots>you don't need to with blkid
02:53<moujik>mandrivas dev is correct
02:53<moujik>nothing showed until I put /dev/sda1
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02:56<jm_>it should show entries for all devices from /proc/partitions when called without arguments
02:56<nodots>jm_: that's what I thought, that's what it does on my system
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02:59<nodots>jm_: you just inadvertently helped my bash scripting there...
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03:00<moujik>/proc/partitions shows what is expected
03:01<jm_>nodots: ehh?
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03:01<nodots>jm_: /proc/partitions. More stuff to test for.
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03:03<moujik>so, what if I delete those funny resume UUIDs?
03:03<nodots>akulah: is your standalone divx player compatible with '.mkv'?
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03:03<akulah>no
03:03<nodots>moujik: the system will not hibernate in that kernel
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03:04<nodots>akulah: avi, mp4?
03:04<moujik>how would I delete them. I cannot edit grub.cfg
03:04<nodots>moujik: grub 1 or grub2?
03:05<moujik>2
03:05<nodots>debian?
03:05<moujik>yeah
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03:05<lokojajaja>holaa
03:05<lokojajaja>xd
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03:06<nodots>first, try by copying the one entry (one entire menu entry) to 40
03:07<nodots>first, try by copying the one entry (one entire menu entry) to 40_custom
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03:07<joselete>eeeeeeeeeee
03:08<nodots>moujik: the files are in /etc/grub.d
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03:08<nodots>moujik: the 40_custom is
03:08<lokojajaja>hola
03:08<lokojajaja>xD
03:08<joselete>eeeeeeeeee
03:08<lokojajaja><<----
03:08<joselete>cabron
03:09<lokojajaja>tu
03:09<lokojajaja>xd
03:09<joselete>eeeeeeeeeeeeeee
03:09<lokojajaja>-.-
03:09<lokojajaja>lok hace el aburrimiento
03:09<lokojajaja>xd
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03:10<lokojajaja>xd
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03:10<lokojajaja>?¿
03:10<lokojajaja>xd
03:10<nodots>mantenerlo limpio
03:10<joselete>eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
03:10<lokojajaja>iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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03:11<k43>somebody here can help me or give me link to install my vga driver,,,!?
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03:11<lokojajaja>alomejor voy a la warner bros en madrid
03:12<OpenTokix>k43: What vgs-card do you have?
03:12<nodots>moujik: by the way, this just gives you a way to add a testing entry, to make sure that it works
03:13<k43>OpenTokix : Intel HD Graphics 3000
03:13<nodots>moujik: and you will still have to run update-grub
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03:14<moujik>what do I enter in the entry?
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03:14<OpenTokix>k43: I havent used that - so I can't give anymore then google-links, sorry.
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03:15<k43>OpenTokix: Ohhh Ok,,,,
03:15<k43>i'll keep googling maybe,,,,
03:15<k43>Thanks a lot before,,,,
03:16<moujik>I removed resume, do I have to put in ro single?
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03:20<jm_>k43: newer xorg is available on backports, try that with newer kernel
03:22<nodots>jm_: what's the pastebin again?
03:22<jm_>nodots: paste.debian.net
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03:23<moujik>on mandriva it doesn't specify initrd.img-x.x.xx.x
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03:24<nodots>moujik: here is the 40_custom entry for my PCLinuxOS install http://paste.debian.net/162951/
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03:24<Santi3>holaaaa
03:24<Santi3>doy santiiii
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03:25<Xoxo3>eeeeee
03:25-!-penguin01210 [~penguin01@fer01-1-78-234-67-117.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
03:25<Xoxo3>pedazo cabron
03:26<Xoxo3>xd
03:26<Xoxo3>mecago tus muertos
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03:26<Xoxo3>qe quieres
03:26<Santi3>comeme el rabo
03:26<Xoxo3>me la chupas
03:26<Xoxo3>oh sii
03:26<moujik>nodots: you don't have (hd0,0) either
03:26<Xoxo3>oh siiiiiii
03:26<Xoxo3>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
03:26<Xoxo3>aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
03:26<Xoxo3>aaaaaaaa
03:26<Xoxo3>ahhsiii
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03:26<Xoxo3>ohsu
03:26<Xoxo3>oh yesss
03:26<Xoxo3>oh yess
03:27<Xoxo3>oh yeesssssssssssssssssssss
03:27<Xoxo3>oh my godd
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03:27<moujik>I think I'm gonna remove it
03:27<ansgar>!ops Xoxo3
03:27<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ansgar complains about: Xoxo3
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03:28<joselete>eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
03:28<Santi3>eeeee
03:28<Xoxo3>me cago tus muertos
03:28<Xoxo3>ç
03:28<Xoxo3>oh my good
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03:28<Xoxo3>oh my gooddddddddddddddd
03:28<Xoxo3>oh siiiiiiiiiiii
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03:28<Xoxo3>oh siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
03:28<joselete>oh siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
03:28<Xoxo3>oh yesssssssssssss
03:28<penguin01210>?
03:28<Xoxo3>OH MY GOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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03:28<lokojajaja>eii
03:28<lokojajaja>xD
03:28<lokojajaja>soii manu xdddd
03:28<joselete>sige sige
03:28<Santi3>comeme el rabooo
03:29<EmleyMoor>penguin01210: Nuisance host messing us about
03:29-!-Santi3 [~Santi@49.Red-80-24-67.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit []
03:29<joselete>oh yea oh yea
03:29<lokojajaja>YEAH_
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03:29<Xoxo3>OH YEA TIO
03:29<penguin01210>sorry? i'm new to IRC
03:29<Xoxo3>OH YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAA
03:30<EmleyMoor>penguin01210: If you're wondering about all the "noise", that is
03:30-!-Porno [~Porno@49.Red-80-24-67.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
03:30<Xoxo3>PINGUIN CALLATE O SI NO TE METO UN POLLAZO
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03:31<penguin01210>i'm just asking: what's happening there? isn't that a support channel? :D
03:31<EmleyMoor>It is - support for Debian in English...
03:31<Xoxo3>QUIEN ERES
03:32<Porno>hola wapetones
03:32<Porno>:)
03:32<moujik>nodots: or not. 30_os_prober is cryptic
03:32<Xoxo3>THERE ARE CHOCHO
03:32<penguin01210>Xoxo3: i don't understand
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03:32<nodots>can someone kick these guys?
03:32<EmleyMoor>nodots: We have tried to alert the ops
03:32<Porno>alguien kiere sex??
03:32<Xoxo3>OH SYYYYYYYYYY
03:32<ansgar>penguin01210: There are some annoying people that like annoying others and it looks like there is noone who can kick them around right now.
03:32<Xoxo3>YO TENGO CHOCHOOO
03:32<penguin01210>ok, now i understand
03:33<nodots>moujik: 30_os_prober is a script, not to be edited
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03:35<penguin01210>someone kicked them
03:35<moujik>I can try to revitalize it with mandriva CD, I jjust don't want mandriva eating up debian
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03:35<EmleyMoor>Yes, weasel answered the call
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03:36<penguin01210>i would like to ask about debian testing/unstable , is it the right place?
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03:37<nodots>moujik: if you re-install mandriva, you can install grub to the superblock (not the mbr) and then use grub2 to chainload to grub 1
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03:39<moujik>nodots: how do I chainload?
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03:45<nodots>moujik: I don't honestly remember, lol
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03:47<moujik>ok, thank you for your time!
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03:55<tuvshinjargal>help me: i installed google earth, now how to run it
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03:56<Nemoder>/usr/bin/google-earth ?
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03:59<tuvshinjargal>yes
03:59<tuvshinjargal>bin
03:59<tuvshinjargal>director
03:59<tuvshinjargal>google-earth
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04:00<tuvshinjargal>google-earth
04:00<tuvshinjargal>Google Earth has caught signal 11.
04:00<tuvshinjargal>We apologize for the inconvenience, but Google Earth has crashed.
04:00<tuvshinjargal> This is a bug in the program, and should never happen under normal
04:00<tuvshinjargal> circumstances. A bug report and debugging data have been written
04:00<tuvshinjargal> to this text file:
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04:25<hate29>Is there any hope running Debian on a tablet? I'm planning buying one but don't like android. Not buying ipad though.
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04:26<EmleyMoor>How can I get the current time of day in 64-bit NTP format?
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04:27<jm_>isn't that just seconds from epoch?
04:27<jm_>ahh no, it's that + fraction
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04:34<EmleyMoor>I think what I need is whatever it is, byte by byte...
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04:42<Architekton>Can debian help me trace and ID a stalker?
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05:54<lancelot_of>hi there
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05:55<lancelot_of>i'm trying to change permissions in mtab as root, but the the file in /proc the mtab is linked to is unchangebly read-only. how to workaround?
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05:58<lancelot_of>in other words, my vfat fs is mounted in read only by default, why?every time i must run from root: mount -o remount,rw /media/Kindle, for example, and it's really annoyig
05:58<lancelot_of>annoying ;)
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05:59<streuner_>!vfat+rw
06:00<streuner_>!vfatrw
06:00<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
06:00<EmleyMoor>Is there an automated way to generate a Global ID for RFC4193 addressing?
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06:10<lancelot_of>streuner_, even following your suggestion mtab still contains ro instruction and the device is always mounted as read only
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06:10<lancelot_of>so i come back to the first question..how to change mtab?
06:10<avinash>hi
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06:12<jm_>lancelot_of: perhaps finding out what mounts it will help
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06:17<lancelot_of>jm_, it's mounted by mtab with those permissions, so being unable to modify mtab dunno how to solve. Up by now, no apps are using /media/Kindle and the device is not connected but the dir and its permissions are still there
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06:19<jm_>lancelot_of: there must be something that's mounting it - you need to find out what and how to change mount options it uses
06:19<lancelot_of>jm_, in ps -def nothing is readble about
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06:20<jm_>lancelot_of: is it kde/gnome/...?
06:21<lancelot_of>jm_, no fluxbox
06:22<jm_>lancelot_of: fluxbox doesn't do this so you must have something else running
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06:23<DragonDon>Trying to use SSH as a low-tech VPN, something seems to be missing I think from the following instructions....
06:23<DragonDon>"After you make a [SSH]connection, then set your browser of choice (or any application that allows proxy) to localhost:5222. This will create a dynamic port forward and tunnel all the application traffic through your SSH server, both encrypting your data and bypassing content filters. "
06:23<lancelot_of>jm_, the only mounting app running is dolphin but it's not mounting the device nor tis latter is connected
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06:24<DragonDon>does the SSH server actualy automatically send out an http request, get it back and then server it back to my client? wouldn't I need something like squid(?) or other to do that?
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06:25<lancelot_of>jm_, and i report again that in my opinion the problem is still mtab, where only i found something related to that dir in /media
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06:25<jm_>lancelot_of: no, changing stuff in mtab is pointless
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06:26<jm_>DragonDon: it's a tcp tunnel
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06:27<DragonDon>I think I got it, his example is from a command line using the -D arg for ssh, have to check to see how , if possible, to do the same o Connectbot...
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06:27<[machine]>dragondon: depends... you can either use ssh as a SOCKS proxy, in which case SOCKS takes care of it, you can also do specific host/port forwards, in which case the SSH server will know where to forward .. also OpenSSH has a full VPN implementation too
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06:28<[machine]>so it really depends on what flags you're using in your SSH client
06:29<[machine]>-D implements SOCKS4/5
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06:29<anbe>lancelot_of, if the device is not connected but still appears to be mounted (aka listed in /etc/mtab), it was not unmounted cleanly
06:29<DragonDon>I wish I knew of a client that allowed me to pass flags on Android. I am currently using ConnectBot so I have to translate flags to menu options. I think I did find the right one though [machine] & _jm
06:30<[machine]>so you tell your local apps to use the -D specified host/port as a SOCKS proxy
06:30<lancelot_of>anbe, it's possible, so what to do?
06:30<anbe>umount /media/Kindle
06:31<DragonDon>sweet, figured it out! Works on LAN, now to test WAN. :)
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06:34<DragonDon>awesome, yippe for feeling more secure about using public wifi! :)
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06:37<joydog>hi
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06:38<lancelot_of>ok, i umounted Kindle and added the lines suggested before by streuner_ for vfatrw in /etc/fstab. Remounting Kindle in mtab there's still ro option and the device is unusable...i'm getting angry
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06:39<jm_>lancelot_of: wait, do you mount it manually?
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06:39<lancelot_of>jm_, with dolphin or calinre
06:39<lancelot_of>calibre
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06:40<jm_>lancelot_of: calibre uses /usr/bin/calibre-mount-helper or somesuch, doesn't it?
06:41<lancelot_of>jm_, it is
06:42<jm_>lancelot_of: and it uses udisks in debian it seems
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06:44<lancelot_of>yes
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06:44<lancelot_of>jm_, and in dmesg i get : [109749.945883] FAT-fs (sdc1): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
06:44<lancelot_of>[109760.331215] FAT-fs (sdc1): error, fat_free_clusters: deleting FAT entry beyond EOF
06:44<lancelot_of>[109760.331229] FAT-fs (sdc1): Filesystem has been set read-only
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06:45<jm_>lancelot_of: right, so that must be the reason for ro
06:45<lancelot_of>jm_, which seems to be the main cause of unusability of the device
06:45<lancelot_of>jm_, exactly, we agree ;)
06:46<jm_>lancelot_of: well there's fsck in dosfstools if you want to, but back it up first I guess
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07:01<SieB>hey
07:01<SieB>im having problems with my cryptdevice
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07:03<SieB>it says no key available with that passphrase
07:03<SieB>http://pastebin.com/2Bk5Rzgu
07:03<SieB>thats a cryptsetup luksDump
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07:17<gnugr>SieB: create a new passphrase instead to change it : http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=400
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07:19<SieB>does not work -.-
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07:21<gnugr>i think that is a right suggestion for lucksaddkey
07:22<SieB>my partition table was broken.... so i searched for luks header
07:22<gnugr>oh i see
07:22<SieB>hexdump found it and now i created a loopdevice
07:22<SieB>;)
07:22<SieB>sry for holding that information
07:22<SieB>but my english is not that good...
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07:23<SieB>loopdevice starts at header.... and luksDump shows the header.... but its not possible to mount cause of passphrase problems
07:23<SieB>maybe a hash is broken or something like that
07:24<SieB>and i read somewhere that it might be possible to disable checks and build cryptsetup by myself
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07:29<gnugr>SieB: check if this is similar to what you need: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/howto-disk-encryption-with-dm-crypt-luks-and-debian
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07:33<lancelot_of>jm_, back it up means do i have to reboot?
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07:34<jm_>lancelot_of: no, I mean to use some backup tool
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07:40<SieB>gnugr, .... no thats somethin diff
07:40<SieB>goin to give up the stuff on that partition....
07:40<lancelot_of>jm_, dosfsck /dev/sdc1 reports no errors
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07:44<lancelot_of>jm_, even if now the only message in dmesg is: FAT-fs (sdc1): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
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07:44<jm_>lancelot_of: but is it still "ro"?
07:44<lancelot_of>jm_, so where to change IO charset for vfat?
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07:45<lancelot_of>jm_, no, now in mtab it's rw
07:45<jm_>lancelot_of: it's a mount option, so try fstab
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07:48<lancelot_of>jm_, something like '... charset=iso*' right?
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07:49<jm_>lancelot_of: iocharset= probably, but vfat also has utf8 (and utf8=no to turn it off)
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07:57<kblin>hi folks
07:57<lancelot_of>thanks everybody for help
07:57<lancelot_of>have a nice day
07:57<lancelot_of>bye
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08:15<Firdaus>how to install gnome 3 on Debian Wheezy ?
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08:17<jm_>!install gnome
08:17<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
08:17<Firdaus>oh - my ask is wrong
08:17<Firdaus>how to install gnome 2 on debian wheezy ?
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08:24<abrotman>Firdaus: you don't
08:24<abrotman>Firdaus: if you don't like gnome3, find a new WM
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08:24<abrotman>Firdaus: gnome2 is dead upstream, gnome3 is the way forward, get used to it or find a new WM
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08:25<Firdaus>abrotman: what DE do you use
08:25<abrotman>gnome3, i like it .. try getting used to it
08:25<abrotman>Firdaus: many who are unhappy with gnome3 have gone to XFCE
08:26<abrotman>Firdaus: alternately, look to see if MATE or Cinnamon are in Wheezy yet
08:26*abrotman doesn't think they are
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08:30<abrotman>Firdaus: please keep it in the channel
08:30<Firdaus>ok
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08:30<s4br3>I have failed several times trying to rename multiple files using mv, cp, rename, and krename. The files are typically named 'file 1 - subject.txt' but I want them to be named 'file 01 - subject.txt'. Thanks for any assistance!
08:31<weasel>use vidir
08:31<weasel>(and then whatever your editor can do to help you mass change lines)
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08:33<s4br3>man vidir was _very_ kurt
08:33<abrotman>$/win 3
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08:35<jm_>s4br3: prename or mmv are perfect for such tasks
08:37<s4br3>Thanks all! I need to look more into them all. vidir, mmc and prename.
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08:43<Firdaus>abrotman: maybe l need install mate
08:44<nevyn>s4br3: mv "file 1 - subject.txt" "file 01 - subject.txt"
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08:49<abrotman>Firdaus: i doubt it ..
08:49<abrotman>Firdaus: why don't you trygetting used to gnome3 before you start running around like a crazy person
08:49<abrotman>nevyn: i think he's trying to script it
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08:50<Firdaus>abrotman: l don't like Gnome 3 ...
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08:50<Firdaus>l like Gnome 2 any idea for my Debian Wheezy ?
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08:54<s4br3>nevyn: That would work for one file at the time, but if you have hundreds it would be very cumbersome.
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08:57<abrotman>Firdaus: i already told you what you can do ..
08:57<abrotman>Firdaus: but gnome2 is going away in wheezy .. MATE isn't in Debian ..
08:58<Firdaus>abrotman: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
09:00<abrotman>Firdaus: *not in Debian* .. i'm aware their website exists .. if you want to compile it, you're on your own .. it's not in Debian ..
09:00<andres>s4br3: what was the problem with rename? rename -n 's/^file (\d) -/file 0$1 -/' *
09:00<abrotman>if i were going to be fixated on gnome2, i'd rather go with Cinnamon, at least it has a better path forward
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09:03<s4br3>andres: Thanks for the input, but I don't understand what your script does.
09:04<Firdaus>abrotman: yes, l need META or If META is not compatible on Wheezy l need install cinnamon ..
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09:04<abrotman>wtf is META?
09:05<andres>s4br3: it runs rename in dry run modus with a regex to replace any single digit surrounded by spaces after the word 'filename' by 0$thedigitfrombefore
09:05<Firdaus>opssss sorry wrong word, Mate
09:06<andres>s4br3: regular expressions are a usefull toy if you want to do something like renaming using some rules
09:06<DebianLover>hi guys
09:06<Firdaus>DebianLover: yeah ! :)
09:08<DebianLover>is it possible to run fdisk from a script to make partitions on a hdd according to fdisk -l result?
09:08<abrotman>Firdaus: okay, that's fine, but it's not supported here, you're on your own .. good luck
09:09<Firdaus>abrotman: ok thanks you ! what DE do you use ?
09:09<s4br3>andres: I have been force fed to use regexp in both R and LibreOffice, but I can't say I'm all up and running... ;) Thanks for the explanation. I'll give it a serious try, even if your script didn't work OOTB.
09:10<DebianLover>i mean that the script runs fdisk and gets needed parameters to it from a file in which the result of fdisk -l is copied
09:11<DebianLover>do you get it :)?
09:12<DebianLover>*result fo fdisk -l is saved
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09:17<abrotman>Firdaus: i told you, i like gnome3
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09:34<s4br3>I am not sure what is happening here. If i type '' mmv -n 'Kapitel *' ''Kapitel 0*'
09:35<s4br3>Hmmm. something is wrong
09:35<abrotman>s4br3: i feel like rename would be goodh here ? are all the numbers single digit?
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09:36<s4br3>abrotman: Yes, for the time being
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09:38<abrotman>s4br3: can't rename match on something like a sed to replace [:digit:] with 0[:digit:] or whichever syntax it uses?
09:38<Samkov>i have recently discovered the use of dpkg-buildpackage, I really like using that on my squeeze system, without upright upgrading to wheezy..my question is say i have the source code for a software application, say it is deluge 1.3.5. there is no deluge 1.3.5 in the wheezy repos and therefore no debian folder to drop into the source directory, how do i go about creating all that needs to be done to create .deb packages? I do not want to u
09:38<Samkov>se checkinstall for this
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09:39<Samkov>i suppose a better question is, how to i create the debian folder to drop into the source directory to perform dpkg-buildpackage?
09:39<abrotman>!tell Samkov about uupdate
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10:04<sml>question. if I want to run an app, let's say xlock, on a remote box via "ssh -X" what is the bare minimum I need on that remote box? The whole of x11 or just the client libs?
10:05<sml>s/xlock/xclock
10:05<abrotman>xbase-clients IIRC
10:05<sml>cool. thanks.
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10:16<cento>anyone interested in seahorse-nautilus package?
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10:21<kop>!tell cento about anyone
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10:30<cento>kop, mine is a real question
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10:31<cento>I ask if anyone interested in specific program
10:31<cento><anyone> isn't a global keyword for flame, lol
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10:33<kblin>cento: I'd argue that it's still not a good question to ask here
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10:38<cento>is silent better?
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10:42<fVckingmania>is there any channel for samba???
10:43<daemonkeeper>On Freenode there presumably is.
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10:47<mbw290>I am trying to add a printer via SAMBA in CUPS but SAMBA does not appear as an option
10:48<mbw290>I am not sure if I set up SAMBA properly
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11:03<sney>mbw290, you need the smbclient package
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11:39<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to set up an IPv6-only Debian box?
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11:40<sney>I don't think you can disable ipv4 quite yet, but only setting up the ipv6 addresses in interfaces should do the trick
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11:43<mbw290>what is the difference in speed between transmission and transmission-daemon
11:43<mbw290>or is there one?
11:44<EmleyMoor>sney: I'm seriously under-supplied for IPv4 addresses if so - but is there a way to get automatically assigned IPv6 and no IPv4? I'll check it out...
11:44<babilen>I would be surprised. Why do you think that there is a difference in speed? It should mostly be a difference in the UI
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11:51<sney>EmleyMoor, if you're talking dhcp it'll be server-side. but dhcpd can have separate addressing rules for separate mac addresses etc
11:54<EmleyMoor>sney: I'm talking allocation
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11:59<EmleyMoor>I can't get my laptop to connect with IPv4 enabled... it seems to hang for a long time then get de-authenticated with reason 3
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12:06<dave_>Hi all someone can help me to solve a problem with pacemaker ?
12:06<dave_>I have 2 node in standard setup after apt-get install pacemaker
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12:07<dave_>I have edited my conf modifying bindnetaddr to my network and started corosync
12:07<dave_>but each node don't see the other :(
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12:09<dave_>I'm thinking of mcast problem but how can I check this layer ?
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12:14<anonymous_soldier>hello and welcome anonymous
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12:16<srtu>hi, i compile a little programm and like to test it, where is the correct place to store it?
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12:17<anonymous_soldier>i am new on here and i wanna learn some tricks
12:18<gnugr>tricks? here is debian support channel
12:18<anonymous_soldier>yea debian tricks
12:18<anonymous_soldier>is that ok?
12:19<gnugr>if you need help with your debian its okay
12:19<educr0w>hello, I have linux kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64, I enable squeeze-backports, how can I update to a newer kernel?
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12:20<babilen>!tell educr0w -about bdo kernel
12:20<movl>educr0w: install linux-image-$version
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12:20<babilen>educr0w: Note that you might need the linux-header-$ARCH package as well (in particular if you compile kernel modules)
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12:20<haylo>im on debian-offtopic anonymous_soldier . maybe more the place for "tricks"
12:21<gnugr>haylo: join #debian-offtopic tho
12:22<haylo>right /join #debian-offtopic
12:22<educr0w>babilen, movl thanks, let me try :)
12:22<haylo>sorry
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12:22<babilen>educr0w: You essentially end up installing something like "linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" (assuming you use amd64)
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12:23<educr0w>babilen, yeah :)
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12:32<jmho>I heard somewhere that there are issues with debian-multimedia.org packages, but could not find anything. Does anyone have a link perhaps?
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12:35<gnugr>!tell jmho -about dmm squeeze
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12:37<CyberBunny>Hi! I'm having issues installing debian. Error is "Failed to get http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/main/i18n/Translation-en.gz", anyone experienced something similar?
12:37<jmho>gnugr: thanks, but I was looking for a discussion about the quality of the dmo packages
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12:39<CyberBunny>I tried installing both on my laptop and on my main system (in vmware) with both the small netinst cd and the 4gb DVD, i386 & amd64 versions.
12:39<haylo>CyberBunny, did you use an ethernet cable?
12:39<CyberBunny>Yes?
12:39<gnugr>jmho: for dmo you can join #dmo on irc.oftc.net
12:39<CyberBunny>I have a LAN which is connected to the Internet by ADSL.
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12:40<CyberBunny>Both the laptop & the vmware virtual machine had internet access, I made sure to check. I could for example use wget to download index.html from google.com.
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12:42<CyberBunny>This is all very odd to me. I have installed Debian a few times before, but I never encountered this problem before.
12:43<gnugr>jmho: ask them for dmo-archive-keyring
12:43<jmho>gnugr: thanks
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12:47<nodiscc>CyberBunny: that file is 404 for me too. Maybe the mirrors are out of sync for some time
12:47<nodiscc>CyberBunny: wait a few minutes
12:47<CyberBunny>Ok.
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12:52<gnugr>dave_:did you check this link "http://clusterlabs.org/" ?
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12:53<dave_>gnugr not yet but I think multicast problem
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12:53<dave_>I have installed ssmping
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12:53<dave_>I'm running ssmpingd on one node and pinnging from other node but I receive unicast packets only :(
12:53<CyberBunny>I tried a few different mirrors in Sweden, Denmark & Norway - all failed. But then I tried a mirror in the USA and it seems to be working for now.
12:54<dave_>I don't know so much about multicast
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12:55<gnugr>dave_:nore i and i'm curious how it works
12:55<gnugr>reading now
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13:02<gnugr>dave_:pacemaker looks like "Durios Hippos"
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13:03<dave_>"Durios Hippos" ?
13:03<gnugr>yes
13:03<gnugr>you know how Odysseus gor Troia?
13:03<gnugr>got*
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13:26<rebli>is it possible, with gnome, the start-up of an application with a time delay: i. e. 5 min after the login ?
13:27<daemonkeeper>Launch a script instead, which sleeps 5 minutes before doing anything.
13:27<movl>rebli: write a script, use sleep
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13:30<educr0w>how can I know which icedove is the equivalent version of thunderbird 11 for example?
13:31<daemonkeeper>icedove 11
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13:31<movl>only the naming and artwork differ
13:31<daemonkeeper>There is a secret and very complicated mapping algorithm. It goes like this: Pick the Thunderbird release, put a different name on it, release it.
13:32<educr0w>uhm..but mozilla.debian.net said version 3.0 3.1 and esr
13:32<daemonkeeper>So?
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13:33<educr0w>I don't see 11 anywhere
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13:34<sney_>esr is extended support release, it's supposed to be the current upstream 'release' version afaik
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13:34<educr0w>sney, thank you!
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13:35<sney_>it might be version 10 but it'll be newer than 3.x
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13:35<educr0w>sney_, thank you! =)
13:36<educr0w>Iceweasel has esr, release, beta and aurora, what is the meaning of each?
13:37<sney_>beta and aurora are their development versions
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13:39<sney_>ok, I looked into mozilla's definitions, esr lags behind the cutting edge versions and focuses more on stability and support
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13:41<papanowel>ok
13:41<papanowel>!list
13:41<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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13:43<educr0w>thank you sney_
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13:52<barnac1e>hi is this the right irc for debian help?
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13:53<gnugr>barnac1e:yes
13:54<barnac1e>Okay, well I just need some guidance. I just installed a 2nd linux os, Scientific Linux. I believe they use only Grub Legacy so I chose not to have it install a bootloader. Now, how can I get my current Debian Grub-efi to boot to Scientific Linux?
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13:55<barnac1e>Do I just need to chainload it?
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13:57<barnac1e>I have run update grub but it cannot find the root partition I guess, which by the way is on a logical volume mapper partiton
13:57<barnac1e>I mean Scientific is on the mapper
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14:00<sney_>barnac1e: as long as you have os-prober installed, you should be able to just run update-grub from within your debian install and it will figure it out on its own
14:00<barnac1e>Hmmm... maybe that's what I need to get. Okay, I will check for that package. Thanks.
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14:04<SynrG>"get"?
14:04<SynrG>sigh. would be nice if people stuck around
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14:05<sney_>we are just a support vending machine
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14:06<CyberBunny>:D
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14:07<movl>...except we don't take money
14:07<sney_>we don't ask for money. I'm sure most of us would take it if it was offered
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14:08<movl>well, people pay good money for tech support
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14:09<SnitraM>What -dbg package goes with libqtcore4? And how do I find out myself?
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14:10<movl>SnitraM: aptitude search | grep dbg
14:10<movl>err
14:10<sney_>SnitraM: I would start by aptitude searching various pieces of that string
14:10<movl>*aptitude search libqtcore4-dbg
14:10<sney_>qtcore, libqt, etc
14:10<movl>usually it's the name plus the string "-dbg"
14:10<sney_>but normally it is just $packagename-dbg the same way we get $packagename-dev etc
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14:11<SnitraM>Yes. I looked in aptitude for libqtcore4-dbg. Doesn't exist.
14:11<SnitraM>aptitude search libqtcore4-dbg: no output
14:11<sney_>ok, so now you get creative.
14:11<movl>libqt4-dbg
14:12<movl>I got creative by searching for libqt
14:12<sney_>or just let movl tell you, I guess.
14:12<movl>:)
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14:13<sney_>see movl, if you give a man a torch, he'll be warm for the rest of the day; but if you set him on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life. or something.
14:13<movl>sney_: :)) yeah, good point
14:13<CyberBunny>Ok, this is odd. The laptop install stalls at 37% (Configuring apt/Scanning the mirror.../wget -q http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian//dists/squeeze/Release -O - | grep E ´^(Suite|Codename):´), while the vmware virtual machine (same cd image) stops later with "Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze-updates_main_i18n_Translation-sv%5fSE".
14:13<SnitraM>Short life...
14:13<gnugr>or "apt-cache policy libqtcore4"
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14:16<SnitraM>gnugr: I don't get much out of "apt-cache policy libqtcore4". What's that good for?
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14:17<SnitraM>Ouch! libqt4-dbg will take almost 0.5GB.
14:18<Enculemoi>quakenet :'(
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14:18<gnugr>SnitraM: i use kde and that exists for me
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14:19<SnitraM>gnugr: Well I get output, but not anything that points me to libqt4-dbg.
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14:19<gnugr>i meant libqtcore4
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14:25<mase>hello all; if i install packages via apt, is there a way to "preanswer" quiestions? i dont want to use the "priority of question"-mechanism...
14:25<SnitraM>HMmmm. It seems the Crash Reporting Assistant helps me fill in a debug report and tell me the provided information not good enough but it doesn't let me enter any information!
14:25*SnitraM scratches his head.
14:26<gnugr>SnitraM: what debian version you use?
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14:27<SnitraM>gnugr: squeeze.
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14:28<gnugr>and your looking for "libqt4-dbg"?
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14:29<SnitraM>No. I surfed to <http://www.graymatter-game.com/> with konqueror and nspluginviewer crashed so this Crash Reporting Assistant popped up.
14:29<retrospectacus>mase: you might want "aptitude -y"
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14:29<locote>hola
14:29<SnitraM>FOr a better backtrace I installed libqt4-dbg (as it suggested).
14:30<gnugr>i see
14:31<mase>retrospectacus no, i mean more specific questions like "do you want move directories from /var"...bla, bla, bla, more a dpgconf related question, i think.
14:31<movl>mase: that's usually not a very good idea
14:32<movl>you might ending up saying yes to soemthing undesirable for you
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14:33<mase>movl: i don't want say yes to everything, i want my own script to give the known answers
14:33<movl>oh
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14:34<movl>mase: you can't predict the questions, so you can't have the preset answers?
14:34<movl>without '?'
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14:36<mase>movl actually "i" know them; the background: i want to write scripts setting up a server of mine; so i know all the answer of all questions because thats what i want dpkg to do, but how to tell without interaction
14:36<locote>hello
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14:37<retrospectacus>locote: hi. Please ask your debian support question
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14:37<mase>movl i thought there is a way via dpkgconf, because thats the debian way of getting configurations?
14:37<movl>might be, did you check the manual?
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14:39<mase>movl: yes, roughly, but i did not get the point of "totaly automaticated instalation", redhat had something like kicker. did not like it but it worked nice in some way...
14:39<mase>...or kickstart, cant remember
14:40<movl>kickstart
14:40<movl>mase: if I understand what you eant, try Puppet
14:40<CyberBunny>In the console for the i386 netinst cd on my laptop, if I type "wget http://www.google.com" I download a file called index.html, but, if I type "wget http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian//dists/squeeze/Release" it hangs on "Connecting to ftp.se.debian.org". The command works on my stationary system. Why could this be?
14:41<mase>movl, no i dont want it in that way (kickstart), i just want to write scripts, for example, setting up an mail server, with all settings known by the script
14:41<rev>fai (fully automatic installer) is for debian and it can have debconf preconfigured
14:42<rev>been a while since I used it
14:42<rev>dont know if it is still the perferred way
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14:42<rev>http://fai-project.org/
14:43<mase>rev yeah, not fai, but using debconf to configure a package...
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14:43<rev>yeah i have done that in fai
14:43<rev>or rather I have done what _you_ want when I was using fai
14:44<rev>let me see if they documented it
14:44<mase>rev: so do i have to prepare debconf files before installing packages via apt?
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14:45<rev>iirc properly I configured a test system the way i wanted it, dumped the debconf to a text file, then pushed it into the new systems
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14:47<mase>rev: interesting, so i can "re-use" an made installation of an deb-package, copy it to another system, install the package on the other system and "deb" wont ask any questions since it has every setting?
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14:51<rev>sec almost have it
14:51<rev>install debconf-utils
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14:53<rev>debconf-get-selections and debconf-set-selections
14:53<rev>are your friends
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14:53<rev>debconf-get-selections | grep grub-pc > temp.file ; cat temp.file | debconf-set-selections
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14:56<mase>rev: Exactly what i was looking for (nearly), thanks a lot!, thanks movl!
14:57<rev>np
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15:08<mase>rev last question: do you know anything about handling a "version-in-name"-issue? example:
15:08<mase>cyrus-common cyrus-common/removespools boolean true
15:09<mase>cyrus-common-2.2 cyrus-common-2.2/removespools boolean false
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15:09<mase>(debconf-get-selections output)
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15:10<mase>is the "cyrus-common" reached to the most actual, and if so, why?
15:11<mase>i think i have to hande the versions (very mayor releases) by my self, do i? (no big deal...)
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15:42<CyberBunny>Hi! Is it possible to change the MTU of eth0 without using ifconfig? (Such as from netinst cd console.)
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15:46<sney_>CyberBunny: the netinst busybox has the 'ip' tool which should be able to, yes
15:46<|Ramzes|>Hi, I updated an Etch server to latest Lenny (5.0.10), now I'm trying to upgrade it to latest Squueze, however when I run aptitude safe-upgrade nothing comes back - it's as if it is on the latest version of Debian already.
15:46<|Ramzes|>When I run apt-get dist-upgrade it's trying to remove pretty much all base packages.
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15:48<movl>|Ramzes|: paste somewhere the content of sources.list and the output
15:49<CyberBunny>sney_: Thanks! It worked! Seems as if my laptops network card driver is bugged. MTU of 1500 fails, but 1492 seems to work. Again, thank you! :)
15:49<sney_>|Ramzes|: also, for the lenny->squeeze upgrade, it is recommended that you install squeeze's udev and 2.6.32 kernel and boot into it before doing the dist-upgrade
15:49<movl>CyberBunny: what kind of connection? and what card?
15:50<sney_>CyberBunny: no problem
15:51<CyberBunny>movl: It's a TP cable gigabit LAN. The NIC is a Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 191 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 02).
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15:52<CyberBunny>movl: After alot of searching on the Internet, it seems as if people have had trouble with the SiS 191 for years.
15:52<|Ramzes|>movl: Sources list: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
15:52<|Ramzes|>deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
15:52<|Ramzes|>deb-src http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
15:52<|Ramzes|>deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
15:52-!-|Ramzes| was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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15:53<|Ramzes|>movl: source.list -> http://paste.debian.net/163051/
15:53<|Ramzes|>Sorry for the paste
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15:53<|Ramzes|>sney_: I'll try to update to squueze's udev and kernel now
15:54<rev>mase: sorry wasnt around, I am unsure how to handle that, i will have to look into it.
15:55<|Ramzes|>sney_: Please note that I've upgraded about 20 servers running lenny to squeeze without upgrading udev or kernel, and all of the upgrades went smooth.
15:55<|Ramzes|>This is the only server that caused this issue.
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15:56<sney_>|Ramzes|: ok, you got lucky, it hosed a lot of people's systems after squeeze released.
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15:57<|Ramzes|>sney_: I'm running a same setup on all hosts and I did stage a test upgrade prior to rolling out the upgrades. That's how I ensured that things are running.
15:58<|Ramzes|>sney_: I've tried to upgrade udev and kernel, but there are a lot of dependencies that can't be solved. What way should I try to install them?
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16:01<sney_>|Ramzes|: can you pastebin the output please? there shouldn't be any dependency difficulties
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16:01<sney_>|Ramzes|: whoa, wait a minute, you have unstable in your sources.list. what's that doing there?
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16:02<movl>I didn't notice that :(
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16:03<|Ramzes|>sney_: I use packages from unstable for squeeze. I can remove it. But I'll still have the same issue.
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16:03<|Ramzes|>Actually I've already tried that out.
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16:03<sney_>can you just comment it out for the duration of the upgrade and move your apt.conf out of the way to minimize the extra factors
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16:04<sney_>if you are deploying lots of servers I can only guess that you have some specific reason for installing sid packages on squeeze instead of backporting them and that you've tested it, etc, but it's still not recommended and if apt is giving you dependency hassles it is not going to make anything better
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16:08<|Ramzes|>Yeah, I know what you mean, but I need to run sid stuff and I have a staging environment where I make sure that things are running smooth.
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16:08<|Ramzes|>I commented out the unstable repo, upgrade still not possible.
16:08<|Ramzes|>Here is when I try to upgrade udev: http://paste.debian.net/163052/
16:09<movl>did you update after altering the sources.list?
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16:09<|Ramzes|>movl: of course.
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16:10<sney_>with a squeeze sources.list and having run apt-get update all you should need to do is 'apt-get install udev'
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16:10<sney_>run apt-get upgrade and then try again
16:11<sney_>(note I didn't say dist-upgrade)
16:12<|Ramzes|>Here check it out: http://paste.debian.net/163055/
16:12<|Ramzes|>That's an apt-get upgrade, apt-get install udev and apt-cache show udev.
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16:12<|Ramzes|>If I manually specify each dependency package versions, then I'm able to upgrade packages, otherwise that's what I get.
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16:17<sney_>|Ramzes|: that says you have 164-3 installed, which is what you want. am I missing something?
16:17<sney_>or no, it doesn't, what is going on here
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16:19<sney_>|Ramzes|: what do /etc/debian_version and uname -r say?
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16:20<|Ramzes|>sney_: I don't get you? I showed you the output of apt-cache so you can see it. I have udev version 0.125-7+leeny3 installed on the system.
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16:21<sney_>I just didn't scroll down far enough
16:21<|Ramzes|>debian_version says 5.0.10, uname -r says 2.6.26-2-xen-686
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16:22<|Ramzes|>I know what I'm doing here, sort of :) The thing is that this server has been bugging me for a while. And it is the only server that was running 5.0.10.
16:22<|Ramzes|>This one is not part of the other servers, so I don't have a staging environment for it. This is just a dev playbox.
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16:23<sney_>so with the sid mixing thing, how did you keep yourself from upgrading to sid? pinning?
16:24<curiousborg>Hi everyone, trying to find a suitable linux distribution for my hold HP pavillion dv5000 laptop (AMD Turion64 1.4 GHz, 900 MB memory). Was running peppermint which was nice and fast but kept crashing. Have now installed debian 6.0.4 and it's very stable but a bit slow. Gnome is very responsive but web browsing something like youtube or facebook is very slow, and if i try to run a game like chromium-bsu(which
16:24<curiousborg>the hardware should be able to handle) it's far too slow. Do people have suggestions for making 6.0.4 faster? Particularly for web-browsing. I guess gdm might be hogging a lot of cpu time? I have xfce4 installed too but gdm seems to run in the background anyway
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16:24<sney_>curiousborg: what video hardware?
16:24<|Ramzes|>@sney_: yes.
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16:25<movl>|Ramzes|: isn't reinstalling from scratch an option?
16:25<curiousborg>sney_:ATI Radeon Xpress 200M
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16:26<|Ramzes|>@sney_: You just answered my problems! :)
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16:26<sney_>curiousborg: your gpu needs non-free firmware to work fully, install the firmware-linux-nonfree package and you'll see things speed back up
16:27<sney_>|Ramzes|: I did tell you to move apt.conf earlier... you might have your pinning in preferences, but the principle is the same
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16:27<curiousborg>sney_: what repository is that in?
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16:28<|Ramzes|>sney_: I totally forgot that this box was running Etch previously, it's quite old, so I had pinned squeeze on it.
16:28<sney_>as the name suggests it's in non-free.
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16:28<curiousborg>sney_: thanks
16:28<sney_>|Ramzes|: yep, we tend to sabotage ourselves
16:28<|Ramzes|>sney_: definitely :)
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16:29<|Ramzes|>Thanks for the help sney_ and movl.
16:29<sney_>np
16:29<|Ramzes|>Upgrade is now running.
16:30<sney_>for future reference, you know apt has the means to build sid packages for squeeze, right?
16:30<movl>yw
16:31<|Ramzes|>Yes of course I do. But i usually don't have issues running unstable.
16:32<|Ramzes|>I never got to like the debian way of handling packages to be 100% truthful.
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16:32<|Ramzes|>But for folks that want to run Debian, I don't say no to help them out.
16:33<sney_>it's not so much a policy thing as it is a compatibility thing. sid never stops moving forward, so from the time a stable release is frozen, sid just gets farther and farther away
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16:34<sney_>mixing sid and _testing_ is perfectly fine and many people do that, but even the developers will make a funny face if you talk about putting sid packages on stable. (unless they're something completely self-contained like a kernel.)
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16:34<|Ramzes|>Yeah I know what you're saying.
16:34<sney_>I mean you said yourself it's a dev playbox so it's probably expendable, so it's not a big deal if sid does make everything explode
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16:34<|Ramzes|>But packages like tomcat for instance run perfectly fine.
16:34<sney_>but at that point you may as well just completely use sid.
16:34<|Ramzes|>And I don't see the point to build them for squeeze.
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16:35<sney_>yeah. tomcat, being a funky java beast, is almost completely self contained and barely touches anything else
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16:35<|Ramzes|>Exactly.
16:35<|Ramzes|>I never put sid's base sw or libs.
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16:36<|Ramzes|>Just instances of software that can't hose the system.
16:36<sney_>well, as long as you know what you're doing, and you have apt-listchanges installed...
16:36<|Ramzes|>apt-listchanges is part of my debian server provisioning :)
16:37<|Ramzes|>Plus some other stuff as well, I used to also do backports, but not anymore.
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16:43<user_>hello,i have laptop with NVIDIA® GeForce® 410M ,i can't get resolution other then 800x600 on squeeze,how can i fix that
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16:46<devil>user_: what driver are you using?
16:46<user_>how can i know
16:47<devil>user_: i was afraid, you'd say that
16:47<sney_>it's probably just a new install
16:47<devil>user_: pastebin xorg.0.log please
16:48<sney_>user_: is this a new install? did you download any drivers from the internet?
16:49<SaZha>where are the gogo-girls?
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16:49<user_>devil:i have no xorg
16:49*SaZha has headache and wishes to share some bad energy
16:50<devil>SaZha: please go to #debian-offtopic
16:50<SaZha>thx for advice
16:50<towo`>GeForce® 410M sounds like optimus?
16:50<movl>user_: of course you do
16:50<devil>user_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:50<movl>the file in question is in /var/log
16:51<user_>devil,ah ok,not /etc/x11
16:51<devil>user_: logs are never in /etc
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16:53<user_>ok,i'v tried this http://forum.linuxmint.org.tr/index.php?topic=2510.0 but non works
16:53<user_>translate it
16:53<devil>user_: can you please react to questions we have?
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16:54<movl>user_: what OS are you on?
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16:54<user_>squeeze
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16:56<user_>my xorg http://pastebin.com/BgwCEAf0
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16:57<movl>user_: install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
16:57<movl>then reboot
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16:58<movl>and make sure the module is not blacklisted
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16:59<user_>how can i return to the correct mode if there is a problem
17:00<devil>what is 'correct mode'?
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17:01<user_>if there is a problem in the graphic mode how can i restore this configuration te get back here
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17:02<devil>user_: deinstall xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
17:02<movl>huh?
17:02<devil>and reboot. it then uses vesaagain, as it does noe
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17:02<devil>now
17:03<devil>movl: hwe wants to know what to do if nouveau leaves him in the dark
17:03<movl>oh
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17:06<metalheadz>hello guys !
17:06<sney_>hi
17:06<metalheadz>how could i automate this command sysctl -w net.inet6.ip6.accept_rtadv=1 ?
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17:07<metalheadz>i have a spare apple machine
17:07<sney_>well, if you want it to run at boot you could put it in rc.local
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17:07<metalheadz>yes but the thing is it is running os x
17:08<sney_>this is #debian, we don't support osx
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17:08<metalheadz>i know
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17:08<metalheadz>but it crossed my mind
17:08<metalheadz>to ask
17:09<movl>Linux and OSX differ a lot
17:09<sney_>apparently there is an ##apple on irc.freenode.net, they would probably know
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17:13<educr0w>I downloaded firefox11 from mozilla website, I extracted it and moved to /opt/firefox11, I did ln -s /opt/firefox11/firefox /usr/bin/firefox11
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17:14<educr0w>when I run firefox11 I get : bash: /opt/firefox11/firefox: No such file or directory
17:14<educr0w>why? :(
17:14<movl>did you check if it's there?
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17:15<movl>and did you type firefox or firefox11?
17:15<educr0w>sorry, firefox11 is a link, I get /usr/bin/firefox11 ....
17:15<educr0w>if I do /opt/firefox11/firefox I get the first one
17:16<supaman>are the permissions set correctly?
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17:17<gnugr>educr0w:why not from your /home by setting up on "main menu" which app as browser is default?
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17:18<educr0w>I have openbox, I want to install firefox instead iceweasel
17:18<educr0w>supaman, yes, my user is on group users /opt/firefox11 is in that group too
17:18<gnugr>educr0w:you can run it from your /home
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17:21<dvs>educr0w: Are the execute permissions set on that file?
17:21<educr0w>I downloaded with my user, tar xjf in my home dir, and get error too :(
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17:21<dvs>^^
17:22<dvs>his dir? ;-)
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17:22<educr0w>heh
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17:22<Guest110>its,user nothing shanged
17:22<Guest110>hanged
17:23<dvs>O_O\
17:23<Guest110>ops changed
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17:24<Guest110>i'v installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
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17:24<movl>Guest110: and you did reboot, right?
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17:25<Guest110>yes
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17:25<movl>and it isn't blacklisted, right?
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17:25<Guest110>movl:who is blacklisted???
17:26<movl>the nouveau module
17:26<movl>and please, ease up on the question mark
17:27<Guest110>what do u mean with blacklisted
17:27<movl>paste somewhere the outout of 'ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/'
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17:28<dvs>Guest110: Better yet, grep nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/*
17:28<Guest110>total 13
17:28<Guest110>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4832 30 oct. 21:53 aliases.conf
17:28<Guest110>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 281 23 oct. 2010 alsa-base-blacklist.conf
17:28<Guest110>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1183 23 oct. 2010 alsa-base.conf
17:28<Guest110>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 622 13 déc. 2010 blacklist.conf
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17:29<flower>congrats!
17:29<dvs>movl: troublemaker! ;-)
17:29<movl>gah....
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17:30<movl>this is the second time today
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17:30<user_>/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf:blacklist nouveau
17:31<movl>delete that line and reboot
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17:33<user_>there is just one line
17:33<movl>delete it
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17:33<movl>and reboot
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17:33<user_>ok
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17:35<user_>ok,back
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17:36<user_><movl>back
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17:36<user_>movl:back
17:37<movl>I noticed
17:37<movl>do you want me to ask you if it works?
17:37<user_>nothing chaged
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17:38<movl>paste the output of 'lsmod | grep nouveau'
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17:43<user_>http://pastebin.com/EWtLXcdx
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17:43<movl>user_: that looks ok. do you have a xorg.conf in /etc/x11?
17:43<movl>user_: that looks ok. do you have a xorg.conf in /etc/x11?
17:43<movl>oops
17:44<user_>movl:no
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17:45<user_>http://pastebin.com/2mfLcvrX
17:46<movl>!nvidia
17:46<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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17:46<user_>movl yes
17:46<movl>that info should be enough for you to install the nvidia proprietary driver
17:48<user_>movl:that why i got error shek sums
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17:54<user_>i'v tried it but none marche
17:54<movl>?
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17:55<user_>ok,i'v tried this http://forum.linuxmint.org.tr/index.php?topic=2510.0 but non works
17:56<movl>i don't speak turkish
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17:57<Guest92>I'm trying to mount a filesystem that is in a file... but there are no free loop devices - there are some not obviously used though. How can I release some?
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17:57<user_>is it turkish?i don't know but i'v translated it
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17:57<movl>i don't speak turkish/
17:58<movl>use the link I gave you
17:58<movl>you are using instructions from another distro, which although it's Debian-based , may be different
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18:09<user_>thanks movl
18:09<movl>yw
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18:57<Sharlock>hola
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18:58<bezvremena>hello there
18:58-!-SaZha [~SaZha@88.128.140.51] has joined #debian
18:58<bezvremena>i have a problem with skype
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18:59<bezvremena>hello
18:59<bezvremena>anybody here?
18:59<SaZha>me has a question too
19:00<SaZha>as i am online now i may just ask
19:00<bezvremena>i am online too
19:00<bezvremena>and i have a problem with skype
19:00<SaZha>configuring netdevices, or forward a port by ssh need privileges?
19:00<SaZha>sry, i dont know skype
19:01<bezvremena>heheh dont worry
19:01<bezvremena>but i cant hepl you abut that
19:01<SaZha>si
19:01<SaZha>i like you anyway
19:01<bezvremena>tnx
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19:01<bezvremena>me too :)
19:01<SaZha>why not using the telephone?
19:01<SaZha>handy
19:01<SaZha>is modern too
19:02<bezvremena>hahah i use but i dont like that :)
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19:03<SaZha>we have a thing called taschenlampe in germany
19:04<SaZha>you can bush a button and a light comes to shine
19:04<bezvremena>nice here in serbia
19:04<SaZha>maybe you can do morsecode with that
19:04<bezvremena>telefon :P
19:04<SaZha>k
19:04*daemonkeeper looks at the channel name
19:04*daemonkeeper verified it mentions Debian
19:04<SaZha>havt to shut up...could block the line while someone has a problem .)
19:05<bezvremena>i have problem with skype
19:05<bezvremena>when i start it close
19:06<bezvremena>and again
19:06<bezvremena>and again
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19:06<devil>bezvremena: skype is proprietary software
19:07<bezvremena>it works ok but today not
19:07<bezvremena>and i need it so much
19:07<devil>bezvremena: well, debian has nothing to do with that
19:07<devil>you need to get support from skype
19:07<bezvremena>i know
19:07<bezvremena>how?
19:08<devil>how would i know?
19:08<devil>ask them
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19:08<bezvremena>hahah tnx anyway
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19:08<bezvremena>:)
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19:09<kenyon>!skype
19:09<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype
19:10<bezvremena>but it works ok
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19:10<bezvremena>now it doesnt work :(
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19:11<tenor>Hi
19:12<tenor>Anyone there?
19:12<tenor>asdf
19:12<tenor>asdf
19:12<tenor>asdfa
19:12<tenor>sdfa
19:12<tenor>sdfa
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19:12<tenor>Hi
19:12<tenor>asdf
19:12<tenor>Blah
19:12<tenor>omg?
19:12<tenor>wtf?
19:12<tenor>no one is here, l0l
19:12<devil>*sigh*
19:13<tenor>0h4!
19:13<movl>!ops tenor
19:13<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: movl complains about: tenor
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19:13<peterS>tenor: that's called flooding. don't flood.
19:13<tenor>w311 !m h3r3 t35t!n6 my !RC cl!3n7
19:13-!-mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ
19:13-!-tenor was kicked from #debian by peterS [you should know better]
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19:14<abrotman>hi ?
19:14<kenyon>#test on freenode is good for testing IRC client
19:14<tenor>M4y ! t35t my !RC cl!3n7 !n p34c3?
19:14-!-mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ
19:14-!-tenor was kicked from #debian by peterS [you should know better]
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19:14-!-mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS
19:14<peterS>sigh
19:15<movl>he's 15 at most
19:15<abrotman>15?
19:15<abrotman>so generous
19:15<peterS>I was hoping he'd get the hint after one kick. oh well.
19:15<abrotman>they rarely do ..
19:15<kenyon>not until they're 16
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19:36<bezvremena>uhhhh
19:36<sney_>?
19:36<bezvremena>nothig
19:36<bezvremena>problem with skype :(
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19:40<abrotman>vague
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20:18<dew3492>hi
20:20<dew3492>do you know how I can make a bootable iso with shell command?
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20:29<abrotman>dewgrrr
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20:33<joseph>hi, can someone send me the chat for ubuntu?
20:34<joseph>it keeps putting me in debian
20:34<heikkila>!ubuntuirc
20:34<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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20:49<kop>,versions lsyncd
20:49<judd>Package: lsyncd on i386 -- squeeze: 1.34-1; wheezy: 2.0.5-1; sid: 2.0.7-1
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23:55<cthuluh>hrm
23:55<cthuluh>I can't get init to re-spawn runsvdir. even after using ''telinit q''
23:55<cthuluh>and I'd prefer not to reboot
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23:56<cthuluh>the inittab is the standard one, added by the installation of runit:
23:56<cthuluh> grep ^SV /etc/inittab
23:56<cthuluh>SV:123456:respawn:/usr/sbin/runsvdir-start
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