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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-04-15

---Logopened Sun Apr 15 00:00:15 2012
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00:22-!-yhlfh is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
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00:52<etherio_jose>hi
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00:53<etherio_jose>i from chile
00:53<etherio_jose>i test the xchat
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00:55<breed>nobody around that can assist me?
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00:56<sney>breed, this channel is pretty quiet on the weekends, maybe try the other #debian on freenode
00:57<breed>ok
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00:58<AndroUser2>Debian on free node?
00:58<sney>there are 2 debian support channels, one is right here on irc.oftc.net and the other one is on irc.freenode.net
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00:58<sney>this is the official channel but the freenode one is bigger
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01:02<ayaka>but it seems freenode has less people in weekdays
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01:35<rener> brasil?
01:35<sney>!br
01:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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03:01<EmleyMoor>Can NFS work on IPv6 yet?
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03:04<scientes>EmleyMoor, im pretty sure it does
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03:05<EmleyMoor>scientes: Anything special I need to do when specifying addresses?
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03:06<scientes>EmleyMoor, g addresses?
03:06<scientes>EmleyMoor, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=715078
03:06<scientes>find that new man page
03:09<scientes>maybe just man exports
03:10*scientes doesn't have nfs-kernel-server installed
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03:37<AlconAzul>there are applications for ubuntu on the web for anonops
03:37<devil>AlconAzul: this is debian
03:38<AlconAzul>there are applications for debian on the web for anonops
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04:40<nemofish>moin
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04:42<Blitzmerker>Hi, is there a way to tell Thunderbird to only check for new emails when I have internet access?
04:43<Blitzmerker>*icedove
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05:02<belgelerim>selam
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05:03<belgelerim>hi
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05:49<rfictus>who wants to help fix my screen brightness quick keys ??
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06:18<ompaul>!es
06:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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06:19<jesus>helloo
06:19<jesus>gannef?
06:19<jesus>debhelper?
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07:31<debio>How's called default GNOME3 icon theme? Faenza?
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07:36<SynrG>debio: see #debian-next for wheezy/sid support, and ... i don't know :/
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07:39<rfictus>anyone know the minimum updates required to play nexuiz ??
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07:40<debio>SynrG: even if I'm using wheezy, GNOME3 icon name is the same.
07:40<debio>It's not a question strictly regarding testing.
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07:42<FragByte>debio: the default icon-theme packages are gnome-icon-theme and gnome-icon-theme-symbolic and that is specific to testing as stable has gnome2
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07:53<seth>Hmm..
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08:24<debio>When I open Synaptic I see for a second a searchbox, like the speed search of browsers, then it disappears and I only have the lens.
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08:24<debio>What I've to do to have the static searchbox?
08:25<movl>debio: do you use gksu?
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08:26<debio>Yes.
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08:26<movl>gksu is what you see as "the static search box"
08:26<movl>it appears for one second after you enter the password
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08:32<debio>No it's not that, that static search box appears AFTER I type password in; it appears for 1 second or less at right of Property button
08:32<debio>.
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08:43<SynrG>debio: i was just saying that since your question relates to gnome3, you may find more help at #debian-next
08:44<debio>I'm not using GNOME3, I was only looking for the theme, anyway I want know how to give the use of sudo to an user.
08:44<debio>I was thinking I need to have %sudo ALLx3 in /etc/sudoers and then add the user to the group sudo.
08:44<debio>But it's not working.
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08:45<debio>ALLx4, not x3, I mean %sudo ALL=ALL(ALL:ALL) ALL
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08:46<debio>Then gpasswd -a user sudo
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08:47<riccardo>ciao
08:48<riccardo>ho bisogno d'aiuto
08:48<EmleyMoor>!it
08:48<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:49<riccardo>c'ho già provato non funziona
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08:50<debio>Riccardo here you've to use english.
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08:54<MickLH>What is the "proper" way to initialize the environment?
08:55<MickLH>I noticed init is using . /etc/environment, but this file is empty on my system
08:55<MickLH>I have tried setting LANG and TERM but applications are still iffy
08:56<movl>that file is usually empty
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08:56<movl>man env (1) might help
08:56<MickLH>my aim is to create an initrd including disk drivers, and a working copy of midnight commander
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08:57<o0u>hey, I installed Debian using this partition layout: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Root_filesystem_over_LVM2,_DM-Crypt_and_RAID (/boot on raid 1 , / on raid --> dm-crypt --> lvm ) . Automatic bootloader installation fails, I now finished the installation without any bootloader, restarted and chrooted into the system via a live-cd.. Does anyone know how to manually set up a bootloader to support this setup?
08:58<movl>Gentoo uses grub-legacy, while Debian uses Grub 2
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08:59<o0u>hm, kay, but shouldn't grub 2 be as well able to boot from such a layout?
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09:00<debio>I want give the use of sudo to an user.
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09:01<movl>o0u: I believe it should
09:01<movl>what error do you get when you try to install grub?
09:01<SynrG>debio: if it is faenza, it's a well-kept secret. grepping through the gnome-icon-theme-extras source package (sid) there is no mention of faenza ...
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09:02<debio>I've downloaded Faenza from DeviantArt, it was taking too much time searching on Google...
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09:02<o0u>In the automatic installation (--> the bootloader install point, while you install debian from your cd/usb) it just says fatal error. In the chrooted environment it works fine, but I need to configure it to work with my setup..
09:03<o0u>so actually I installed grub, but if I reboot I get to the "grub recovery shell"
09:03<movl>o0u: you can find the installer detailed messages in TTY4
09:03<movl>oh
09:04<movl>well, Grub 2 uses modules, as opposed to grub-legacy
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09:04<movl>that might be a starting point
09:06<o0u>yop, I generated the grub.cfg via update-grub, but it doesn't create any boot entry.. So there seems to be sth missing in /etc/default/grup or /etc/grub.d
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09:07<o0u>but these files are really confusing to me, so I haven't tried to edit them yet
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09:08<movl>o0u: start googling "grub2 raid lvm crypt"
09:08<movl>you'll get many interesting results
09:09<movl>like this one http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1420955&ei=HciKT-iUA4_ysgbS4bSDDA&usg=AFQjCNGl-Y-3Y1GDT-P4G6Sq3SAnsm9HxA&sig2=wrUtdX_b5VIkg7spBHNHEA
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09:11<o0u>oh thanks, I'll read this
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09:13<debio>I want give the use of sudo to an user, what I've to do?
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09:15<MickLH>debio: /etc/sudoers
09:16<perlwizard>debio visudo and usermod
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09:20<debio>I've added my user to sudo group using gpasswd -a user sudo
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09:23<o0u>movl: actually the link you "sent" me uses raid --> dm-crypt --> / and this works fine, I tried that in a vm, but I'm trying to use raid --> dm-crypt --> lvm --> /
09:24<o0u>or at least the manual, the first post in that thread refers to
09:24<movl>o0u: I see, didn't notice that
09:24<SynrG>debio: and logged that user out and in again?
09:25<SynrG>debio: i've never used that method, but always visudo as described above. nevertheless, http://wiki.debian.org/sudo claims what you've done should work with squeeze
09:26<o0u>movl: hm, I think I'll just try to add the kernel parameters (?) to grub2 that they use for grub legacy, the only point is, I dont know where
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09:26<o0u>Probably this is right: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX Entries on this line are added to the end of the 'linux' command line (GRUB legacy's "kernel" line) for both normal and recovery modes. It is used to pass options to the kernel. ?
09:27<movl>o0u: first try them at boot time, by pressing e at the kernel line
09:27<movl>then F10
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09:27<movl>and i they're ok, edit /etc/grub/default
09:27<MickLH>pfft! visudo is for wimps
09:28<perlwizard>debio permissions are set upon login, you'll need to relog for group changes to take effect
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09:28<movl>o0u: */etc/default/grub
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09:29<o0u>okay, I'll just try
09:30<MickLH>real men delete /lib64 for fun
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09:30<MickLH>:P sorry, taking a break before I go back to this initrd monkey business
09:32<o0u>movl: how to get to the kernel line?
09:32<o0u>I'm currently in the grub> shell
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09:36<o0u>okay, I'll just reinstall: 1.x will work with Grub2 (>=1.98) in combination with the GPT partition table and the grub_bios partition (I'm using raid 1 with metadata 1.2, but on a msdos partition and without that grub_bios partition...)
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09:54<MickLH>LOL FUKN FALE
09:54<MickLH>jk
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09:55<ayaka>what is different between internet and internet with smarthost ,I don't what is "rather than use an intermediate host to do that "
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09:56<perlwizard>ayaka 'internet with smarthost'?
09:57<movl>MickLH: language, please
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09:59<debio>I've logged out and in, now I'm if I type groups user I see "sudo".
09:59<debio>The problem is that I can open root thunar without typing any password.
10:00<MickLH>movl: Here, my deepest and most sincere apologies.
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10:02<o0u>movl: just created the gpt partition table and the partitions, would this setup be correct:
10:02<o0u>Number Start(sector) End (sector) Code
10:02<o0u>1 2048 4095 EF02 (<-- bios_grup)
10:02<o0u>2 4096 585727 FD00 (<-- Linux Raid)
10:02<o0u>3 585728 1953525134 FD00 (<-- Linux Raid)
10:02-!-o0u was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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10:03<o0u>sry
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10:06<Guest406>how do i view the network config file
10:06<Guest406>command pplease
10:06<MickLH>do you mean ifconfig?
10:06<movl>o0u: looks ok to me
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10:07<movl> /etc/network/interfaces
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10:08<musca>!interfaces
10:08<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>.
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10:09<debio>I've a problem: I can open root thunar without typing any password.
10:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 494] by debhelper
10:10<perlwizard>debio pastebin your sudoers file
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10:11<debio>I've never edited it, I've only added sudo to my user's groups
10:11<debio>http://pastebin.com/hdeyzden
10:11<MickLH>how do I load keymaps?
10:12<MickLH>no, how do I setup the keyboard / locale
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10:12<MickLH>kbd_mode and loadkeys is not enough, must I invoke getty?
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10:13<perlwizard>debio visudo and try changing %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL to %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
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10:14<shipcode>server irc.freenode.net
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10:14<perlwizard>MickLH /etc/default/keyboard
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10:17<debio>Does visudo is standardly shipped with debian?
10:17<debio>dONE.
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10:18<perlwizard>it's a part of sudo package
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10:20<MickLH>perlwizard: no dice
10:20<MickLH>I should be more clear, I have bypassed absolutely everything
10:20<perlwizard>MickLH explain what are you trying to achieve
10:20<perlwizard>the required end result
10:21<MickLH>I am trying to build a minimal initrd that can run mc properly
10:21<MickLH>More of a generic linux task
10:21<MickLH>But I am using all debian parts
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10:22<Guest406>My network shares are not working properly http://paste.debian.net/163321/
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10:22<MickLH>perlwizard: I wrote a quick little script that uses ldd to grab a binary and its required libraries, and put them into a virtual root
10:23<MickLH>This part works, I can chroot into the virtual root and the binary always runs, I have another script for copying the data files installed by dpkg if necessary
10:24<perlwizard>MickLH 'nasty' doesn't even begin to describe what you're doing
10:24<MickLH>hehehe
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10:24<perlwizard>Guest406 describe the required end result, steps you're performing and current result
10:24<MickLH>so I put a shell script called init in this virtual root, mount /proc /dev /sys and such
10:25<MickLH>cpio'd it together and it works... except
10:25<MickLH>the keymap is shitty, it barely works
10:25<MickLH>oops
10:25<MickLH>sorry for the language
10:26<perlwizard>MickLH what keymap are you using
10:27<MickLH>Whatever is compiled into 2.6.32-5-amd64
10:28<MickLH>I've tried using loadkeys with cached.kmap.gz
10:28<MickLH>I've tried using loadkeys on a file I generated using dumpkeys aswell
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10:29<MickLH>But to my horror, I get a '~' character then I strike Delete
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10:29<MickLH>as well as Home, End, etc
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10:30<perlwizard>what keyboard do you have
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10:30<MickLH>standard PS/2
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10:30<perlwizard>hm
10:31<MickLH>also a QEMU keyboard ;)
10:31<MickLH>and a few USB if it's necessary for some evil reason to generate a keymap using it
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10:35<o0u>movl: I just tried reinstalling and I'm getting the "Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. This is a fatal error." again
10:35<o0u>I'll upload the output of tty4 to pastebin
10:35<perlwizard>MickLH I saw a problem like this recently but can't find the relevant logs
10:36<MickLH>perlwizard: if you have a comprehensive log, I can fgrep myself
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10:38<Guest406>I need to network linux computers http://paste.debian.net/163322/
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10:40<perlwizard>Guest406 samba has very little to do with sharing files between linux computers
10:40<perlwizard>your solutions in order of increasing complexity are 1) scp 2) sshfs 3) nfs
10:40<Guest406>Thats why i uninstalled
10:40<o0u>http://pastebin.com/2akhkUCR
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10:41<ayaka>perlwizard yes
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10:41<perlwizard>ayaka that makes ZERO sense, care to elaborate?
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10:42<ayaka>perlwizard why? two opinion config is the same?
10:43<Guest406>I have always used nfs in ubuntu but it was pre configured
10:43<perlwizard>ayaka describe the required end result, steps you're performing and current result
10:43<perlwizard>you currently make _zero_ sense
10:45<ayaka>perlwizard <perlwizard> ayaka 'internet with smarthost'?
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10:48<babilen>o0u: Did you chroot into that system? Are you running of a live-cd? I assume that you forgot to mount /proc and /dev into the chroot in that case. See "/msg dpkg fixmbr" for some pointers.
10:48<MickLH>Guest406: you could always take the easy way out.. apache2 is up and running in one package manager command ;)
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10:49<MickLH>less overhead than SSH also
10:49<Guest406>NFS is not the easy way?
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10:49<perlwizard>scp is the easy way.
10:49<MickLH>did you ever do "smbpasswd" and that stuff?
10:49<o0u>babilen: thats the output of the debian installer cd if I'm at the point install grub
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10:50<o0u>babilen: but perhaps I just found a *possible* problem: df shos my vg-root and vg-home mounted at /target/ and /target/home
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10:50<o0u>but the boot partition is NOT mounted??
10:50<o0u>the /target/boot directory is populated though...
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10:51<Guest406>MickLH, I dont want it password protectewd
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10:51<Guest406>how can i tell what i am using now
10:51<o0u>would it be okay to mv boot to bootbak , mkdir boot, mount the boot partition and copy the contents of bootbak to the now mounted boot partition?
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10:52<o0u>although I cant explain why the installer didnt mount the /boot partition...
10:52<perlwizard>Guest406 man scp
10:52<MickLH>o0u: try it :P
10:52<o0u>:D
10:52<MickLH>I was half serious earlier
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10:52<MickLH>I deleted /lib64
10:52<MickLH>***** everything up
10:53<MickLH>(of course)
10:53<MickLH>was one symlink to fix it
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10:57<o0u>lol, after I did this manually copying thing I just tried to run the "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk " again and it worked!?
10:58<MickLH>Then writing the patch will be easy ;)
10:58<o0u>what a meany bug that the installer doesn't mount the boot partition...
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11:02<o0u>oh shit, this evil thing uses american layout for entering the passphrase at boot..
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11:05<Nik05>hey guys with what plugin can i watch application/x-mplayer2?
11:05<perlwizard>download the file and watch it with any media player
11:05<Nik05>there isnt a plugin for iceweasel?
11:06<Nik05>i tried vlc plugin, but it doesnt work
11:06<MickLH>feed the URL as one argument to mplayer
11:06<Nik05>ok
11:06<MickLH>which is just a remix of perlwizard's solution :P
11:06<Nik05>mplayer doesnt want to play it
11:07<perlwizard>...
11:07<Nik05>http://nos.nl/nieuws/live/politiek24/wmv/
11:07<MickLH>did you give it the webpage URL?
11:07<Nik05>no the application/x-mplayer2 link
11:07<MickLH>link works in google chrome
11:08<o0u>yeaha, after finding out to type my password in american layout everything works fine :)
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11:08<Nik05>view-source:http://livestreams.omroep.nl/nos/politiek24-bb
11:08<o0u>where should I report this installer bug / search whether it is already reported?
11:08<Nik05>thats the link of the application/x-mplayer2
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11:09<Nik05>well without view-source:
11:09<MickLH>that is an asf file
11:09<MickLH>http://tempo09.omroep.nl/thema_politiek24-bb-public?/nos/politiek24-bb&md5=77c45c85df63f0117a772aab717321be&t=4f8ae47a
11:09<perlwizard>Nik05 mplayer 'http://emil11.omroep.nl/thema_politiek24-bb-public?/nos/politiek24-bb&md5=677fa7338d2a5e99d1aceb059da73731&t=4f8ae45f'
11:09<perlwizard>this works
11:09<Nik05>ok thanks
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11:10<Nik05>when i do `mplayer http://emil04.omroep.nl/thema_politiek24-bb-public?/nos/politiek24-bb&md5=baffdcbb918f6e2148a23bb993fd3749&t=4f8ae3ad'
11:11<Nik05>something strange happens
11:11<MickLH>use single quotes
11:11<MickLH>the '&' symbol is splitting your command like an ';' would
11:11<perlwizard>copy and paste what I said verbatim
11:11<Nik05>ah ok
11:12<Nik05>i see ;)
11:12<rektide>is there a way i can get a list of repositories a package is available from?
11:13<rektide>i see a bunch of hits for this package i'm looking for, but don't know what repos each hit is
11:13<Nik05>yey it working thanks perl
11:13<Nik05>and thanks Mick
11:14<Nik05>really irritating that the dutch government only things about Windows users
11:15<perlwizard>meh
11:15<perlwizard>at least it's possible to get to work
11:15<Nik05>;p
11:15<perlwizard>wait til you meet rtsp streams that won't play without various tokens
11:15<perlwizard>that you have to extract from .swf
11:16<Nik05>But they are really assholes
11:16<Nik05>first they had "window media player" video's
11:16<perlwizard>a bit, yeah
11:16<Nik05>well its application/x-mplayer2
11:16<perlwizard>they could have provided a direct stream link
11:16<MickLH>stream_asf() { mplayer $(wget $1 -O -|perl -pe 's/"/\n"\n/g'|grep 'http://'|head -n1); }
11:16<Nik05>but they call that windows media player video :P
11:16<Nik05>But now they are using Silverlight everywhere
11:16<MickLH>mplayer.exe is (was?) the name of windows media player
11:16<Nik05>and well moonlight...
11:17<perlwizard>iirc it's dead
11:17<perlwizard>and buried
11:17<perlwizard>the silverlight and moonlight crap
11:17<MickLH>I can imagine an enthused ballmer saying "If you thought flash was crap!......"
11:18<MickLH>damnit, now he's saying Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!
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11:20<Mcloven>Hi
11:21<Nik05>But there is no plugin for iceweasel that can display application/x-mplayer2?
11:21<perlwizard>vlc can, somehow.
11:21<perlwizard>it's silly though.
11:21<Nik05>i tried but doesnt work :P
11:21<perlwizard>good.
11:21<perlwizard>don't do that.
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11:21<Nik05>i hate vlc :P
11:21<MickLH>I provided a painstakingly hacked-together-in-2-seconds script for you man
11:22<perlwizard>media is supposed to be handled by media players
11:22<perlwizard>not by browsers
11:22<Nik05>what script? :P
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11:22<Guest406>perlwizard, you think that scp is a better option over nfs
11:22<MickLH>Look, you can see the time critical-ness oozing out
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11:22<perlwizard>Guest406 those are different tools
11:22<MickLH>In the form of clocks and bytes ;)
11:23<MickLH>Nik05: stream_asf() { mplayer $(wget $1 -O -|perl -pe 's/"/\n"\n/g'|grep 'http://'|head -n1); }
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11:23<Nik05>ah :D
11:23<Nik05>sorry missed that one :P
11:23<MickLH>for good reason
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11:23<perlwizard>Guest406 scp gives you encryption overhead and some fuse overhead, but it only requires sshd
11:23<perlwizard>sshfs I mean
11:23<perlwizard>and nfs is faster but is not encrypted by default
11:24<perlwizard>and scp is just a tool for copying files
11:24<MickLH>that overhead is actually pretty noticable
11:24<perlwizard>use what suits best your task
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11:24<Nik05>Mick how do i use that script?
11:24<MickLH>Nik05: however you want
11:24<MickLH>it's not a good script :P honestly
11:25<Nik05>oh ok :)
11:25<MickLH>it just takes the first quoted string with http:// in it, and feeds it to mplayer
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11:25<MickLH>I mean, first quoted string in whatever URL you point it at
11:25<Nik05>ok
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11:27<Nik05>strange now i get ASF file format detected. No stream found
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11:28<perlwizard>doing it wrong
11:28<MickLH>doin*
11:29<o0u>hm, I changed KEYMAP to y in initramfs.conf , but the US keymap is still used for entering the passphrase, where can I specify which keymap it shoud load during the initramfs state?
11:29<MickLH>lol
11:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 509] by debhelper
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11:30<MickLH>I am starting to think there is a secret society holding the knowledge of how keymaps really work under linux hostage for the sake of trolling the good people
11:31<o0u>help page says: If set to 'y', the console keymap will be loaded during the initramfs stage. The keymap will anyway be loaded by the initscripts later, and the packages that might need input will normally set this variable automatically, so there should normally be no need to set this.
11:31<o0u>but how could it load the keymap if everything except boot is encrypted?
11:31<MickLH>initrd is in /boot
11:32<movl>console settings are not
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11:34<o0u>yop, so is there any way to tell initrd to copy these console settings to boot and use them there or sth else to get it to use a non-us keymap?
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11:36<MickLH>mkdir evil; cd evil
11:36<rafael>hello
11:36<MickLH>gunzip < /boot/initrd | cpio -i --make-directories
11:36<MickLH>hehehe
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11:37<MickLH>find | cpio -H newc -o | gzip > /boot/new_initrd
11:38<o0u>hm, shouldn't initramfs include the console settings keymap when building it?
11:38<movl>o0u: does the manpage say anything about it?
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11:39<o0u>man page: If set to 'y', the console keymap will be loaded during the initramfs stage. The keymap will anyway be loaded by the initscripts later, and the packages that might need input will normally set this variable automatically, so there should normally be no need to set this.
11:40<o0u>internet: Hi, the steps you are looking at are only effective when in the system, then after doing the appropriate changes you can rebuild an initramfs which will include whatever key-map you've chosen.
11:40<o0u>(http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/03/msg00195.html)
11:41<o0u>so he says, it'll include, but the man page says it will load it.. Actually there has to be some way to include it. On my desktop computer I'm using an completely encrypted (but archlinux) system too, and there its possible..
11:41<movl>You can print yourself a qwerty US keymap
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11:42<o0u>yeah, I'll probably have to
11:42<movl>...the last paragraph in the link you pasted
11:42<movl>to see the equivalent
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11:43<o0u>I think the printing there was related to get the system up and running to rebuild the initramfs, so it includes the keymap.
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11:44<o0u>but its not so important, I'll leave it that way, its a server, its anyway not supposed to be restarted that often :)
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11:45<yhlfh>I'm running Debian squeeze AMD 64. i got problem running 32bit programs and wine, i always get segment fault. I need some help, this is really headache.
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11:46<MickLH>wine = sprinkled with segfaults
11:47<movl>MickLH: do you have anything to say that will help others?
11:47<MickLH>movl: I am sensing a disturbance in the force
11:47<MickLH>You obviously missed the script I wrote for someone earlier
11:48<MickLH>And are looking a bit hostile
11:48<movl>yes, because this is a help channel
11:48<o0u>btw, movl: I'm a little bit confused by the bug reporting / checking whether this bug is already known.. where should I have a look for doing this?
11:48<MickLH>movl: then HELP me
11:48<movl>o0u: bugs.debian.org
11:48<movl>o0u: also reportbug is a nifty application
11:49<MickLH>Instead of heckling me for being human, why not give some input on my issue
11:49<sney>no fighting
11:49<MickLH>I'm here asking for help
11:49<sney>then ask
11:49<MickLH>And helping people that come by with problems
11:49-!-J[a]WC is now known as JAWC
11:49<MickLH>I have numerous times, all the people active know my issue
11:49<MickLH>I am experimenting with setkeycodes now
11:49<sney>movl, don't provoke the new people. MickLH, relax and stay focused.
11:50<MickLH>sney: thanks, I already troll-detected
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11:50<MickLH>:P been around IRC a bit, just not debian's
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11:50<movl>troll, huh?
11:50<joseluis>pepeillo01__
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11:51<MickLH>movl: I came to that conclusion when I caught a glimpse of your mind earlier, no offense I just could smell your attitude from the moment you re-joined
11:51<sney>MickLH, please drop it... if you want to fight with movl you can take it to #debian-offtopic or a query window
11:51<MickLH>no thanks :P
11:51<yhlfh>some one running Debian squeeze amd64 as well!?
11:52<Guest406>Could the domain name cause this problem http://paste.debian.net/163331/
11:52<sney>yhlfh, your vague-ass problem description will cause you just as many problems now as it did yesterday
11:52<MickLH>I am more interested in picking up scancode 1B4F48 and sending HomeKey instead
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11:54<sney>MickLH, don't want to go over something that you already tried, but last time I wound up with a wonky keymap issue I found the right one with some trial and error choices in 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration'
11:54<yhlfh>sney: i cannot remember what i have upgraded.
11:54<MickLH>YES!
11:54<MickLH>I just hit a major milestone
11:54<MickLH>using "setkeycodes" seems to be working with E0xx scancodes
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11:55<sney>also, if you're breaking ground with keymap troubleshooting, please document it. I'm sure you noticed there isn't much out there.
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11:56<yhlfh>sney: i just want to know if I'm the only one that have segment fault problem for 32bit programs under 64bit system.
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11:56<sney>I've seen segfaults on mine before but not *everything*
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11:56<luxius>Hi, I have a problem with connectivity to my box. It appears to be the ethernet interface "dropping out". Can someone here help me fix it? I am new to linux but can easily navigate my system =)
11:56<ChiVampir>Hi, does anyone know how I can change the language of my programs? I choose Norwegian under the installation, but somehow the language of all my programs seems to be English.
11:57<sney>luxius, what kind of internet connection?
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11:57<perlwizard>luxius define 'dropping out'
11:58<sney>ChiVampir, is your system localized for norwegian (apt messages, etc)? some programs are just not localized
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11:58<luxius>sney, ethernet interface (VDSL, but who cares?)
11:58<sney>wired interface, ok
11:58<ChiVampir>sney: Is it a way I can check that?
11:58<yhlfh>sney: okay, more specific, Skype turns out segment fault, and also wine, and some 32bit games.
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11:59<perlwizard>why are you running skype with wine
11:59<sney>ChiVampir, yeah, just run 'apt-get update' or something in a terminal and see whether it talks to you in english or norwegian
11:59<luxius>perlwizard, well, it's happened more than once, I used to just reboot the box (too laze to switch screen and reconnecting eth0 manually), but know I'd like to know what's going on. I have direct access to the machine, and it's currently in a state of "no connection", meaning SSH and the minecraft server don't respond.
11:59<perlwizard>native versions works
11:59<ChiVampir>sney: It does
11:59<sney>which
11:59<luxius>sney, yes, wired =)
11:59<perlwizard>luxius anything in dmesg ?
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11:59<luxius>hang on, trying that ...
11:59<luxius>(I said I was new ;)
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12:00<yhlfh>I'm not running Skype with wine. Skype has segment fault problem, so doors wine.
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12:00<sney>luxius, the program 'mii-diag' can give you more information about your wired connection
12:00<luxius>I probably want to grep that? O.o
12:00<sney>you can just less it and hit 'end' to get to the bottom
12:00<luxius>mii-diag, gonna try that ...
12:00<perlwizard>the relevant parts are at bottom, probably
12:00<o0u>so the package debian-installer is the right one to report a bug that occurred while installing testing?
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12:01<sney>o0u, yep, and check the topic in #debian-boot for anything similar
12:01<luxius>mii-diag currently not installed - any ideas how I check current status before I reconnect eth0?
12:01<sney>look at the blinkenlights on the back
12:01<luxius>perlwizard, what "relevant parts" am I looking for?
12:02<perlwizard>anything that mentions eth0
12:02<ChiVampir>sney: Ok thanks :) I got the most important part, spell checking in office, so I will manage :) Or was it a way to localize the programs? I thought for example Firefox were available in Norwegian in Debian.
12:02<o0u>thx, you mean the irc channel?
12:02<perlwizard>(or whatever your interface's name is)
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12:03<luxius>perlwizard, says it goes down and up again twice (no time stamp?)
12:03<luxius>is dmesg an error log? sys log?
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12:03<luxius>daemon messages? O.o
12:03<perlwizard>kernel log
12:03<luxius>right, thanks
12:03<perlwizard>pastebin it
12:03<sney>o0u, yes
12:04<luxius>but apparantly it should be up, then? =)
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12:04<perlwizard>ip addr
12:04<perlwizard>to see if it's up
12:04<luxius>I can't pastebin, since I don't have access to the net from it xD
12:04<yhlfh>Perl
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12:04<sney>yhlfh, persistend segfaults can also be a hardware (memory) issue
12:04<perlwizard>pastebin from where you're at now, luxius ?
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12:04<luxius>physically a different HID
12:04<perlwizard>oh
12:05<luxius>no SSH =/
12:05<perlwizard>yeah that makes things... difficult
12:05<luxius>I can save it, reconnect and then pastebin it
12:05<perlwizard>yeah do that
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12:05<luxius>but I was wondering if there were more diagnostics I could do first?
12:05<perlwizard>also save 'ip addr' output
12:05<yhlfh>sney: but it was okay when i first install Debian 6.0.3
12:05<sney>yhlfh, things almost always "worked before"
12:06<luxius>I found the error :P
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12:06<perlwizard>yhlfh does your skype even launch
12:06<luxius>I hard coded the IP to 192.168.1.100, now it's on .52
12:06<perlwizard>or does it just segfault
12:06<yhlfh>sney: so that's not hardware issue.
12:06<sney>luxius, so it's getting a dhcp address anyway? o_o
12:07<sney>yhlfh, memory always works right up until it fails
12:07<yhlfh>perlwizard: it just segfault
12:07<luxius>not initially, but it seems it reconnects and asks for DHCP
12:07<MickLH>yhlfh: that is probably hardware issue
12:07<luxius>at least if I read it right, which I'm not 100% I do
12:07<luxius>192.168.1.52/24
12:07<sney>luxius, did you set it up in /etc/network/interfaces?
12:07<MickLH>Unless you are omitting something, software doesn't change unless you tell it to, or the hardware fails.
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12:07<luxius>checking router log for DHCP requests ...
12:07<perlwizard>it's skype
12:08<perlwizard>all bets are off :P
12:08<MickLH>lol good point
12:08<sney>yeah, but it's not the only thing SegVing.
12:08<perlwizard>but I agree, yhlfh, extensive memtest wouldn't hurt.
12:08<perlwizard>long, long memtest.
12:08<MickLH>is memtest default in debian?
12:09<sney>and multiarch confusion is basically out of the question since it's squeeze. if he had mixed in testing or sid then that'd probably be it
12:09<MickLH>or have I just installed it every time without noticing?
12:09<sney>you installed it. it might be in one of the tasks too
12:09<luxius>yeah, something responds to ping on .52, must be it - any ideas why it suddenly wants DHCP?
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12:09<luxius>sney, I have setup "everything" (regarding eth0) through X11 (Ubuntu)
12:09<MickLH>Knew it!
12:10<sney>argh
12:10<sney>!ubuntuirc
12:10<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
12:10<luxius>sney, I'm a TCP/IPv4 professional, but not experienced with linux
12:10<MickLH>Minecraft... ubuntu... it's all making sense
12:10<luxius>shut up, sney ... seriously ...
12:10<sney>the part that said #debian didn't tip you off? :P
12:10<luxius>...
12:10<luxius>same core, basically?
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12:11<sney>only debian is supported on #debian
12:11<luxius>I'm not asking for help with Ubuntu Software Center :P
12:11<yhlfh>a chroot debian sid x86 is free of segment fault, how to explain that?
12:11<MickLH>Disable all that GUI crap, it is probably changing the interface to DHCP while your not looking
12:11<sney>luxius, seriously, people have tried every possible justification to get us to support ubuntu
12:11-!-stefanodef [~chatzilla@95.232.57.121] has joined #debian
12:11<sney>none of them work so you just have to go to their irc
12:11<ompaul>luxius: ubuntu is not debian have fun elsewhere
12:11<perlwizard>^
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12:11<luxius>yeah
12:11<sney>but MickLH is right, network-manager is probably the problem. so you can start from there when you get to #ubuntu
12:12<luxius>And I thought it was iptables ...
12:12<MickLH>*shudders*
12:12<perlwizard>have fun with your gui crap elsewhere.
12:12<luxius>I am not using the gui -.-
12:12<sney>perlwizard, it was a human error, please be polite
12:12<ompaul>luxius: it is that you are asking in the wrong channel for the wrong information
12:12<sney>luxius, but if ubuntu gives you the runaround, you're free to install debian and come back :D
12:12<luxius>no, I'm asking in the wrong channel for the right information =)
12:13<luxius>But I get it already, you are puritans ...
12:13<MickLH>In fact, even if you get Ubuntu working, that is silly, you should have switched to Debian
12:13<sney>we maintain a consistent environment.
12:13<ompaul>no we are users and helpers with debian
12:13<luxius>sney, I do plan on installing pure debian, just haven't gotten around doing it ...
12:13<sney>we can't support ubuntu because, as debian users, we are not familiar with it
12:13<MickLH>then get around to it
12:13<luxius>STOP
12:13<sney>it would be irresponsible of us to do otherwise.
12:13<luxius>I already HEARD all those arguments =)
12:13<luxius>my brother is a debian maintainer ...
12:13<sney>muscle memory
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12:13<yhlfh>a chroot debian has no segfault for skype and wine.
12:14<luxius>I was hoping for some LINUX help, not a religious war
12:14<MickLH>yhlfh: problem solved
12:14<luxius>thanks so far, anyway =)
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12:14<sney>hope you find your solution
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12:14<ompaul>luxius: it ain't a war, it's a refusal to break your system by telling you to do a debian thing when that is not what you need.
12:14<MickLH>luxius: If ubuntu is supposed to be the user friendly debian, then the moment you have to jump through hoops not user friendly, you should have switched.
12:14<luxius>no you don't, you hope I install debian and come back :P
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12:15<sney>well, yes, that would be the solution
12:15<sney>gotta run
12:15<luxius>I bet every single problem I encounter is due to Ubuntu ...
12:16<luxius>Every single one ... without even looking at the problem ...
12:16<luxius>have a nice day
12:16*ompaul looks for the /ignore
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12:16<MickLH>Ironically enough, he is probably correct.
12:16<debie>i got this while booting "iomem size sdhci-pci may experience problems"
12:17<debie>what's that? why it happens?
12:17<jrog1965>There is a #ubuntu room on freenode for ubuntu specific help
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12:17<ompaul>jrog1965: he's gone
12:17*ompaul makes assumption it's a he
12:18<jrog1965>was just pointing that out :)
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12:18<debie>i think that my system works with lag, i got intel core i5 and I installed amd64 debian, is it right?
12:18<yhlfh>MickLH: solved?
12:18<MickLH>yhlfh: almost
12:18<ompaul>debie: what did you install on it?
12:19<yhlfh>what is the solution?
12:19<debie>barely nothing
12:19<MickLH>I've managed to pick up the scancode, but have not bound it to the right function yet
12:19<debie>i got the system with vlc anything else
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12:20<MickLH>unless you meant your problem, then I was just referring to the chroot :P
12:20<ompaul>debie: debian version, on platform, we got the platform, so what version
12:20<debie>debian-6.0.4-amd64-CD-1
12:21<perlwizard>is anyone using clearlooks gtk engine/theme on x64 ?
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12:22<ompaul>debie: it appears that this is the issue, unless the BSOD occurs I suggest leaving it alone http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/1386752
12:22<debie>i also got problems with desktop, when i put the mouse on the edges of screen desktop moves a little
12:22<Guest406>perlwizard, I am
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12:22<yhlfh>MickLH, why does chroot works but my system doesn't
12:22<perlwizard>it's causing considerable lag for me
12:23<perlwizard>that is not present with any other gtk engine
12:23<perlwizard>and not present on x32 version either
12:23<debie>what's BSOD?
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12:24<Guest406>I dont detect any
12:24<MickLH>yhlfh: Because the overall parameters of the situation are not satisfactory settings for achieving your desired result
12:25<MickLH>you know there's nothing wrong with using a chroot
12:25<debie>Another issue is that i cannot have wireless connection
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12:26<yhlfh>can you give me some advise on how i may solve the problem? i would be glad to have a try.
12:26<debie>i've confugred interfaces and wpasupplicant
12:26<MickLH>yhlfh: check your filesystem structure
12:26<MickLH>look at how the chroot functions, find the difference in your "real" system, there you go
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12:28<yhlfh>the difference is i didn't mount /proc /sys
12:28<debie>Is ok intel core i5 2430M with debian-6.0.4-amd64-CD-1?
12:28<yhlfh>on chroot
12:28<devil>debie: sure
12:28<debie>thank you, i wasn't sure
12:29<debie>i'm gonna try if i have wireless connection
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12:29<yhlfh>seems the real system have 2 tmpfs mounted.
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12:30<yhlfh>i feel that there are more file systems mounted than three initial installation.
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12:32<yhlfh>MickLH, do you the difference will arise segfault?
12:32<yhlfh>do you think
12:32<Guest406>Debie wireless?
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12:33<MickLH>well if you have 2 tmpfs mounted, make sure they are different mountpoints
12:33<MickLH>probably /tmp and /dev
12:33<debie>it doesn't work
12:33<Guest406>Laptop
12:33<MickLH>although /dev should be devtmpfs
12:33<devil>debie: you need firmware probably
12:33<debie>i have configured interfaces and wpasupplicant
12:33<debie>how can I know if i need firmware?
12:33<MickLH>Google
12:33<MickLH>Model numbers ;)
12:33<devil>debie: tell us the pci-id of the chip
12:33<debie>when i type iwconfig i can see wlan0
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12:34<debie>Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9287 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
12:34<yhlfh>MickLH, those mount points are not in fstab, i don't know how they got mounted automatically.
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12:34<devil>debie: that does not need unfeee firmware, it uses athk9
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12:34<devil>debie: so the error is elsewhere
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12:35<debie>my interface isn't on, the led is off
12:35<debie>but even when i ifconfig wlan0 up it doesn't work
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12:36<MickLH>dmesg?
12:36<SaZha_>kennt irgendwer nen channel im irc wo sich auch ein lamer wohlfuehlt?
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12:37<debie>what should i look for with dmesg?
12:37<MickLH>anything useful
12:37<devil>debie: install rfkill
12:37<yhlfh>MickLH, do you know what defines mount points except fstab file?
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12:38<MickLH>I know gnome has some way of mounting / unmounting, I never explored it though
12:38<MickLH>theoretically any package could install an init script that calls mount
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12:39<debie>ok, done
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12:39<devil>debie: rfkill?
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12:40<debie>yes i've installed
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12:40<devil>debie: then look at rfkill -h
12:40-!-flipside [~twisted@c-5fcae455.025-521-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #debian
12:40<devil>or man rfkill
12:40<debie>ok
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12:41<debie>any of them is blocked
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12:42<WizardNumberNext>hello
12:43<WizardNumberNext>what is it about new scheme in /usr/lib/ ?
12:43<WizardNumberNext>those architecture directories?
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12:44<debie>what should i do with rfkill devil?
12:44<WizardNumberNext>debie, what are you trying achieve? maybe I know answer
12:45<debie>i would like to connect with the wireless connection
12:45<Guest406>debie is the switch on?
12:45<debie>no it is off
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12:45<debie>the led is off
12:46<debie>if i ifconfig wlan0 up it turns on
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12:47<devil>debie: if none is blocked, forgrt rfkill
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12:47<debie>ok, what can i do ?
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12:51<debie>why the desktop moves when i point the mouse on the the edges of the screen?
12:51<MickLH>for most spacing to have you
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12:52<debie>the hour moves, is that ok?
12:52<debie>the clock i meant
12:52<MickLH>oh you mean your resolution is jacked up?
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12:53<debie>it's something wierd, i think it shouldn't happen
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12:54<debie>is there something i can do to mend it?
12:54<MickLH>turn down your screen resolution
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12:54<debie>there's only one available
12:54<MickLH>whats it?
12:54<debie>1366 x 768
12:55<MickLH>and your monitors native resolution is?
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12:55<debie>i really don't know, i think is that
12:55<debie>but i'm not sure
12:55<MickLH>hmm, thats somewhat odd resolution
12:56<MickLH>is it a widescreen monitor?
12:56<movl>debie: do you use gnome3?
12:56<debie>yes
12:56<movl>and is it a laptop?
12:56<debie>gnome 2.30.2
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12:56<debie>yes it's a laptop
12:56<movl>that'
12:56<movl>s gnome 2
12:56<MickLH>what video driver?
12:56<movl>for a laptop it's a normal resolution
12:57<debie>nvidia geforce gt 540M
12:57<movl>widely used even
12:57<debie>but i haven't installed nvidia drivers
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12:57<debie>just the debian installation drivers
12:57<MickLH>you might have to setup a modeline
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12:57<MickLH>of course, I am playing a guessing game
12:57<debie>i don't know how to do it
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12:58<MickLH>you have given almost zero useful information here
12:58<towo`>nouveau from stable is to old
12:58<debie>i'm sorry i wish i knew more about this and help with my answers
12:58<towo`>and btw, geforce gt 540M could also be a optimus
12:59<MickLH>setup the nvidia driver
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13:00<MickLH>I hate the binary blob as much as any other zealot
13:00<Guest406>debie did you solve the wireless problem?
13:00<MickLH>but it's a necessary evil if you plan on milking your hardware for the flops
13:00<debie>how can i do it? apt-get nvidia
13:00<debie>no , i didn't
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13:01<debie>it's still unsolved
13:01<MickLH>you the guy with the atheros?
13:01<debie>yes i am
13:01<madsci44>it could be a compiz thing, or an edge effect setting - i had a problem like that a while back but I cant remember the circumstance.
13:01<debie>i have several open issues
13:01<MickLH>all I came up with was "compat-wireless"
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13:02<Guest406>debie, have you looked for linux drivers
13:02<Guest406>for your wireless issue
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13:03<abrotman>wiki.debian.org has a lot of useful infomration
13:03<debie>no i've installed resolvconf and wireless tools and wpasupplicant were installed by default
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13:04<MickLH>debie: can you put "lspci" "lsmod" and "ifconfig -a" and anything else all on pastebin?
13:04<Nik05>damn in #ubuntu on freenode nobody reponds...
13:04<Nik05>Can i ask a question here? :)
13:04<debie>yes
13:04<Sophira>Hiya. I have a question about installing libcurl in squeeze - when I do "apt-cache search libcurl", I see the -dev packages for libcurl4, but no runtimes for it. More weirdly, "apt-cache show libcurl4-gnutls-dev" shows that it depends on libcurl3-gnutls - which I would assume is the runtime for libcurl3.
13:05<Nik05>Does someone know a problem with passwd, I tried to change a password of a user with `sudo passwd username'
13:05<Nik05>it asked for my password, new password, and repeat password
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13:05<Sophira>My question is, why is this the case, and is it a problem?
13:05<debie>http://pastebin.com/ucLHDZXN
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13:05<Nik05>after that it hang for 2 minutes and said `password changed successfully'
13:05<Nik05>Does someone know this problem, that is hangs for 2 minutes?
13:06<ompaul>Nik05: you can ask a debian question ... so I guess the answer to can you ask a question is yes, but it needs to be Debian we don't know what they did or did not do to the log in process so our advise could and might break your box
13:06<ompaul>as that is a ubuntu question it goes unanswered for the reason above
13:06<debie>lsmod http://pastebin.com/vtgGZiSf
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13:07<Nik05>but this doesnt happen in debian ompaul ? :P
13:07<ompaul>firstly we don't use sudo by default
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13:07<debie>ifconfig -a http://pastebin.com/FZnnhmLz
13:07<Nik05>only if you do advanced install and set that you cant login with root ;)
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13:07<Nik05>then it comes with sudo on default
13:08<ompaul>Nik05: you are encouraged to install a root password on a debian install, so please go to #ubuntu on freenode and forget we exist until you install debian
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13:09<Nik05>i have debian installed ompaul ;) just not on that system... And you guys help so much more! :P
13:09<Sophira>Nik05: Yes, but it's not on the system that you're talking about.
13:09<ompaul>Nik05: you do know you are now being a pest.
13:09*abrotman highlights ..
13:09<MickLH>debie: load ath9k with the option "nohwcrypt=1"
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13:10<Nik05>damn it was just a fucking question about passwd and if it happend on debian too -_-
13:10<debie>how can i do it MickLH?
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13:10<abrotman>Nik05: here's a hint .. install Debian, tell us
13:10<Sophira>Nik05: I've never had that issue.
13:10<Sophira>Nik05: On any distro.
13:10<MickLH>debie: sudo rmmod ath9k; sudo modprobe ath9k nohwcrypt=1
13:11<Nik05>abrotman i have debian on 3 systems...
13:11<Nik05>ok thanks Sophira :)
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13:11<ompaul>Sophira: cos you as uses sophira never tried to change the password of a user called nik05 you became root and fixed it oh well :)
13:12<debie>ok, done MickLH
13:12<MickLH>did you get any output on the terminal?
13:12<Sophira>ompaul: I couldn't parse the first half of that.
13:12<debie>anything
13:12<Nik05>me neither...
13:12<MickLH>debie: anything after you hit enter, before your next prompt
13:12<MickLH>were there any messages from those commands?
13:13<debie>yes
13:13<ompaul>Sophira: as a user sophira, you would have become root to change another users password :)
13:13<MickLH>thats bad, probably could not unload ath9k
13:13<debie>not just the prompt
13:13<Sophira>ompaul: Well, yes, but I doubt it's related to the user.
13:13<debie>like if I typed cd..
13:14<MickLH>debie: echo "options ath9k nohwcrypt=1" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf
13:14<MickLH>then reboot
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13:14<Sophira>Does anybody have any ideas about my libcurl question?
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13:15<debie>it didn't find the order
13:15<MickLH>dont translate the messages :P just use pastebin
13:16<debie>ok
13:16<debie>http://pastebin.com/iS9ugPnw
13:17<MickLH>still confusing
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13:17<MickLH>ah
13:17<MickLH>debie: do you have sudo installed, or a root password?
13:18<WizardNumberNext>debie, MickLH, I am sorry for not contributing ( I really wanted to), but I hunged (I mean my brain hunged - I am somehow quite tired - do not feel well); I would catch up in while and if you need some help I would see what I can do
13:18<MickLH>debie: your missing either sudo or tee
13:18<debie>i haven't installed sudo
13:18<debie>i use "su"
13:19<MickLH>makes life easier then
13:19<MickLH>get in a root shell and do:
13:19<MickLH>echo options ath9k nohwcrypt=1 > /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf
13:19<abrotman>Sophira: whihc problme are you trying to solve ?
13:20<debie>yes, now it worked
13:20<MickLH>debie: for future refrence, translate "orden" to "command"
13:20<MickLH>instead of order
13:20<MickLH>in this context
13:20<debie>ok, thank you
13:20<Sophira>abrotman: Did you catch what I said before, or should I ask it again?
13:20<Sophira>(When I asked initially)
13:20<abrotman>Sophira: are you looking for libcurl or the curl app ?
13:21<Sophira>libcurl.
13:21<abrotman>judd: versions libcurl
13:21<judd>No package named 'libcurl' was found in i386.
13:21<MickLH>Sophira: built it from source
13:21<abrotman>judd: versions libcurl3
13:21<judd>Package: libcurl3 on i386 -- lenny: 7.18.2-8lenny6; lenny-security: 7.18.2-8lenny6; squeeze: 7.21.0-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze2; sid: 7.25.0-1; wheezy: 7.25.0-1
13:21<debie>i'll reboor
13:21<debie>reboot
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13:22<abrotman>Sophira: libcurl3 isn't enough ?
13:22<MickLH>I just tested and apt-get build-dep works fine on the libcurl4 gnutls
13:22<MickLH>I would bet building a release tarball would go fairly smooth after that
13:22<Sophira>abrotman: I don't know! I don't know exactly what's best. I was just curious as to why libcurl4 had -dev packages but no runtimes, and whether it was a problem if I wanted to build something that used libcurl.
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13:23<Sophira>I might just be confused, of course.
13:23<MickLH>man I hate to do this to debie, but I've been eat, sleep and drug free for almost 3 days now
13:24<MickLH>I gotta fix all that ttyl
13:24<abrotman>http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/curl
13:24*Sophira decides to just install libcurl3 and curl and be done with it.
13:24<WizardNumberNext>MickLH, you can survive much more then me. I can do only 48h withouit sleep
13:25<Sophira>abrotman: Hmm, interesting that the libcurl4 files were built from the same package as the libcurl3 files.
13:25<Sophira>That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but.
13:25<Sophira>Oh, but, hmm.
13:25<Sophira>So let me get this straight.
13:26<WizardNumberNext>Sophira, that nothing. getting GCC to being build by apt-build in lenny was nightmare
13:26<Sophira>The way I'm seeing it is that if I want to build a program that uses libcurl from source, I presumably need to install the -dev files for libcurl, and not just libcurl itself.
13:27<WizardNumberNext>Sophira, exactly as you said
13:27<Sophira>But the -dev files there are apparently for libcurl4, and there are no libcurl3 -dev files.
13:27<WizardNumberNext>Sophira, you actually need both
13:27<MickLH>WizardNumberNext: (24h - 30h up / 4h - 6h down)
13:27<Guest406>WizardNumberNext, take a look please http://paste.debian.net/163331/
13:28<Sophira>WizardNumberNext: Yes, you'd need both obviously for the program to run and not just compile.
13:28<MickLH>body clock is completely reprogrammed, so 48h is where I start getting tired
13:28<Sophira>But like I say, the -dev files and the non -dev files don't match up.
13:28<WizardNumberNext>Sophira, which release do you use (squeeze/ whezzy?)
13:28<Sophira>WizardNumberNext: squeeze.
13:28<Sophira>http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/curl
13:29<Sophira>But I'm not using Debian's own build system.
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13:29<Sophira>I'm compiling from a tarball with configure.
13:29<debie>hi again, my wifi doesn't work yet
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13:30<WizardNumberNext>MickLH, it is hardcore
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13:31<Sophira>Well, I'll install the libcurl4 -dev files and the libcurl3 libraries, and hope things work out.
13:31<WizardNumberNext>Sophira, so I am bit confused, because squeeze is rock-hard stable
13:31<Sophira>WizardNumberNext: You're not the only one.
13:32<WizardNumberNext>debie, give me sec
13:32<debie>ok
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13:34<Guest406>uninstalling Nfs should i do complete removal
13:35<abrotman>what?
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13:36<Guest406>i want to clear all the networking file sharing should i do a complete
13:36<Guest406>sorry
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13:38<movl>Guest406: aptitude purge `dpkg -l | grep nfs | awk '{ print $2 }'`
13:38<Guest406>should i do a complete unstall of Nfs to clear all the file sharing entries
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13:38<WizardNumberNext>Sophira, actually it same version for both packages
13:38<Guest406>movl
13:38<Guest406>thanks
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13:38<Sophira>WizardNumberNext: Ah, okay.
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13:39<Sophira>WizardNumberNext: Weird names, then.
13:39<WizardNumberNext>I just checked in squeeze (I am running whezzy now)
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13:40<WizardNumberNext>debie, what steps did you take already?
13:40<WizardNumberNext>Sophira, I did happen previously and not only in debian
13:40<debie>http://pastebin.com/LaU0wffk
13:41<debie>that is what i get when i "ifconfig wlan0 up" and "iwconfig wlan0 essid myessid"
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13:41<debie>previously i configured interfaces and wpasupplicant.conf
13:42<WizardNumberNext>debie, what kind of security do you use?
13:42<debie>by default i got wifi led off
13:42<WizardNumberNext>I presume it is some WPA
13:42<debie>yes WPA
13:42<WizardNumberNext>then iwconfig is out of use
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13:42<debie>what should i use instead?
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13:43<WizardNumberNext>try that: wpa_passphrase ESSID passphrase >wpa_supplicant.conf
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13:43<WizardNumberNext>wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -Dnl80211 -cwpa_supplicant.conf
13:43<WizardNumberNext>second one as root obviously
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13:45<debie>I can see disconect events lots of time
13:45<WizardNumberNext>ok, give me some paste
13:46<WizardNumberNext>debie, actually if see that it would be good to run it in debug mode - just add -d to command (could be on end
13:46<WizardNumberNext>)
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13:47<debie>i'm trying to give you pastebin
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13:47<WizardNumberNext>just stop it using CTRL+C
13:47<debie>the connection is very slow right now
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13:48<WizardNumberNext>could be up to wireless, but unlikely
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13:48<devil>debie: what kernel are you running? ath9k has some probs with 3.3-0
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13:49<debie>http://pastebin.com/d8SWNabU
13:49<WizardNumberNext>devil, most probably stock one
13:49<debie>2.6.32-5-amd64
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13:49<devil>debie: ok, ignore me :)
13:49<WizardNumberNext>devil, I got answer before it was answered
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13:49<WizardNumberNext>devil, do not be disappointed
13:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 503] by debhelper
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13:50<debie>2.6.32-5-amd64 is what you asked me, isn't it?
13:50<WizardNumberNext>devil: you still could have some knowledge which could come to be usefull - I never runned atheros
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13:51<devil>WizardNumberNext: me neither
13:51<botcity>i have just downloaded and installed debain i have been using linux mint. question the kernel is 2.6 why is it not 3.whatever?
13:51<debie>i typed uname -r, is that what you asked me devil?
13:51<devil>debie: yes
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13:51<WizardNumberNext>debia, we need same command as previously, but with -d on end
13:51<devil>debie: problem exists on 3.3-0
13:51<debie>ok
13:51<WizardNumberNext>let it run for 5 seconds - should be enough
13:52<WizardNumberNext>devil, what problem? Maybe it do exist on 2.6.32 as well
13:52<devil>WizardNumberNext: it does not.
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13:52<WizardNumberNext>devil, quite surprising, bug are squished and they do not tend to come back
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13:53<debie>http://pastebin.com/jr894dze
13:53<devil>WizardNumberNext: i wish, the latter was true ;)
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13:53*devil thinks of e.g. grub-pc
13:53<WizardNumberNext>devil, it is most probably new bug introduced by some change to 80211 stack
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13:55<devil>WizardNumberNext: it's a patch called 'ath9k-fix-going-to-full-sleep-on-ps-idle,'
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13:56<WizardNumberNext>devil, just turn off powersaving. Actually I heard about this bug
13:56<WizardNumberNext>debie, can you edit the file, which you have edited previously
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13:57<debie>yes
13:57<devil>WizardNumberNext: adressed here: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/ChangeLog-3.3.2
13:57<debie>which one, interfaces or wpasupplicant.cong
13:58<WizardNumberNext>debie, sudo rmmod ath9k; sudo modprobe ath9k nohwcrypt=0
13:58<WizardNumberNext>and after that try again with wpa_supplicant
13:59<WizardNumberNext>devil, I have sean changelog for 3.3.1 - it is included there as well
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13:59*devil sees sudo and runs
13:59<debie>key negotiation completed, is that ok?
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14:00<debie>http://pastebin.com/stdRjzTi
14:00<WizardNumberNext>and if this would not work comment (put # on start of line) the only line in /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf
14:01<WizardNumberNext>so remove the file
14:01<WizardNumberNext>the last stated
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14:01<WizardNumberNext>now you need to get IP lease from DHCP
14:02<WizardNumberNext>sudo dhclient -v wlan0
14:02<WizardNumberNext>and after that it working
14:02<debie>yes, it seems that it works
14:03<debie>so I have to comment ath9.conf, right?
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14:05<WizardNumberNext>debie, just throw out this file
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14:06<WizardNumberNext>debie, I think you would better with NetworkManager, then static configuration (and it do not store passphrases in plain text)
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14:06<WizardNumberNext>but it up to you
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14:06<WizardNumberNext>most important part is - your wi-fi is working
14:06<movl>guys, does this work for you? mirror.debian.org/status.html
14:06<debie>it works because i don't have the wired connection right now
14:07<debie>but web pages doesn't show up
14:07<debie>thank you very much for your help
14:07<WizardNumberNext>oh, it is different problem
14:07<abrotman>movl: no
14:07<movl>abrotman: thanks
14:08<WizardNumberNext>it is because you still have route which is identical with wireless route, but have lower metric (so it choosen first)
14:08<abrotman>movl: do you know which server it's on ?
14:08<MickLH>debie: congrats
14:08<WizardNumberNext>debie, route -n
14:08<devil>MickLH: no
14:08<devil>ups
14:08<MickLH>:P
14:08<devil>movl: no
14:08<movl>abrotman: no, I don't
14:08<devil>sorry MickLH
14:08<abrotman>movl: it's on bellini, known down
14:08<movl>oh, that figures
14:09<WizardNumberNext>and then: route del -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0
14:09<WizardNumberNext>where
14:09<WizardNumberNext>192.168.0.0 is shown is second column
14:09<WizardNumberNext>sorry
14:10<WizardNumberNext>192.168.0.0 is shown in first column, 255.255.255.0 is shown in third column, and eth0 is shown in last column
14:10<WizardNumberNext>and then
14:11<WizardNumberNext>route del default gw 192.168.0.1 dev eth0
14:12<WizardNumberNext>where default stand for 0.0.0.0 (mean everything else, then explicitly stated networks), 192.168.0.1 is shown in second column and eth0 in last
14:12<WizardNumberNext>I tried to be as clear as I can
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14:17<WizardNumberNext>MickLH, is pastebin your problem or somebodys else?
14:17<MickLH>lmao I dont take ownership
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14:18<debie>now i'm on wifi with network manager
14:18<WizardNumberNext>debie, it is great!
14:18<debie>does it mean that i can delete interfaces and wpasupplicant.conf?
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14:19<WizardNumberNext>I am personaly using NetworkManager, even though I did dislike for awful long time
14:19<debie>yes, thanks to you for that
14:19<MickLH>debie: best to leave your config alone now that it works ;P
14:19<debie>yes, good idea
14:19<MickLH>how about that module flag though, now that the config is right, try to enable the hardware encryption
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14:20<WizardNumberNext>I have no idea what is it about interface (maybe in /etc/network/interfaces) but you can safely delete wpa_supplicant.conf
14:20<WizardNumberNext>I do use it only on server
14:20<debie>yes it was /etc/network/interfaces
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14:20<MickLH>user: nickstealer!
14:21<debie>ok i will delete wpa_supplicant.conf
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14:21<MickLH>debie: now onto that nvidia card ;)
14:21<WizardNumberNext>actually wlan0 interface in /etc/network/interfaces - you can safely delete it as well - you are using NetworkManager and it does whole logic for you - nothing have to be static any longer
14:21<debie>ok, so i'll delete both
14:22<WizardNumberNext>MickLh, debie, yes - thats kinda good idea - nvidia driver is a lot more efficient
14:22<MickLH>well it exposes the hardware
14:22<debie>is it free?
14:22<WizardNumberNext>debie, be carefull what exactly you are deleting - do not delete /etc/network/interfaces file
14:22<WizardNumberNext>not exactly
14:23<WizardNumberNext>partially
14:23<WizardNumberNext>and you have to get it from nvidia site
14:23<debie>i would like to keep the system totally free
14:23<MickLH>debie: what does "uname -m" say
14:23<WizardNumberNext>I am using it with integrated graphics card and it is great
14:23<WizardNumberNext>MickLh 2.6.31-amd64
14:23<WizardNumberNext>oh not this one
14:24<WizardNumberNext>so it is amd64 - she have stated previously her kernel version
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14:24<debie>i would like to aks you about flash videos, i can not see any of them, what can i do to see them in a free way?
14:25<MickLH>debie: ill guess x86_64 ... run this: wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/295.40/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295.40.run
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14:25<WizardNumberNext>debie, you need to get flash player from qadobe
14:25<MickLH>debie: I have scripts written to install nvidia and flash if you like :P
14:25<WizardNumberNext>but do not get newest one - it is crap
14:25<WizardNumberNext>best one is 11.1
14:26<WizardNumberNext>it is working everywhere, not just in firefox
14:26<debie>is a free option for flash player?
14:26<MickLH>its free as in ber
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14:27<WizardNumberNext>flash player is closed source, but it is free of charge
14:27<MickLH>its free to download, but run by the man
14:28<debie>aha
14:28<debie>i read sth about gnash
14:28<MickLH>lol
14:28<MickLH>it almost works kinda :P
14:29<WizardNumberNext>MickLH, debie, almost in nowhere close to 'it is working'
14:29<WizardNumberNext>flash player
14:29<Honeyman>Manually installed TexLive 2011 and now I need to know where to set PATH environment? /etc/profile, /etc/environment, ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc don't work Any idea?
14:29<sney_>MickLH: uh, I'm just glancing at the backlog, did you really just tell someone to install the nvidia driver from nvidia.com?
14:29<WizardNumberNext>wget http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/installers/archive/fp_11.1.102.62_archive.zip
14:29<MickLH>sney_: sorry, yes
14:29<movl>Honeyman: relogin
14:30<sney_>!why nvidia installer sucks
14:30<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>.
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14:30<sney_>also, you can get the adobe flash player by installing flashplugin-nonfree
14:31<MickLH>sney_: even though it is wrong to strip freedom, it is more wrong to lock half of a living breathing conscious GPU in a coma until it dies
14:31<debie>i would like to keep debian free, so any non free or private i prefer not to install
14:31<WizardNumberNext>sney, actually I do like nvidia drivers from debian whezzy, but drivers in squeeze - it is ancient
14:31<sney_>WizardNumberNext: well it's a good thing babilen backported the new ones then!
14:31<Rydekull>xarragon: kan du inte skapa konton på xarragon.com så man får ocensurerat om man är medlem?
14:31<Rydekull>oops
14:31<WizardNumberNext>debie, so no flash-player, no nvidia
14:31<sney_>,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms
14:31<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 295.33-1; sid/non-free: 295.40-1
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14:31<sney_>^ squeeze-backports
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14:32<WizardNumberNext>judd: where to get them (I do have both whezzy and squeeze)
14:32<sney_>I think the squeeze-backports version also includes nvidia-installer-cleanup, which unborks what nvidia-installer borked
14:32<debie>if i install them will my system be more able to halt?
14:32<sney_>http://backports.debian.org/ WizardNumberNext
14:33<WizardNumberNext>sney, cheers
14:33<sney_>debie: sorry, what?
14:33<WizardNumberNext>debie, driver have nothing to do with ability to halt
14:33<MickLH>those ones anyways
14:33<MickLH>:P
14:33<debie>aha
14:34<MickLH>although I've seen weird halt glitches that are influenced by graphics
14:34<WizardNumberNext>I had noveau (or however it is spelled) and it was working well (but to that extend, which I was expecting, not even mentioning HD-Movies)
14:34<sney_>weird halt issues is normally an acpi problem, sometimes bios settings can fix it
14:34<debie>i would like to keep stability as well and i didn't know if installing non-free or private software wouldn't help to keep it
14:34<MickLH>lots of machines will HCF instead of HLT ;)
14:34<MickLH>really old ones
14:35<sney_>WizardNumberNext: yeah, nouveau in squeeze doesn't have 3d functionality, though I hear they are making progress on that
14:35<WizardNumberNext>debie it would be better for you to use thos backports kindly provided to us
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14:35<sney_>I had a howto for the nvidia driver written out but my web host is down currently
14:35<debie>ok, i'll install them
14:36<WizardNumberNext>sney, I never run nouveau in sqeeze - I did for few minites in whezzy
14:36<sney_>!tell debie -about nvidia dkms
14:36<WizardNumberNext>debie, there is quite big binary blop of closed source in nvidia drivers - it is up to you
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14:37<sney_>debie: do like the bot just told you, only in the aptitude install line, include '-t squeeze-backports'
14:37<WizardNumberNext>actually I chose to have nvidia drivers and have some firmware
14:37<WizardNumberNext>so it do not hurt so much
14:38<MickLH>I have to post this, again sorry.
14:38<MickLH>http://pastebin.com/qnSibP4Q
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14:38<MickLH>hehehehe
14:39<WizardNumberNext>I am getting nvidia drivers for squeeze from backport as well (but not now - I do not have VirtualBox yet)
14:39<MickLH>vbox in squeeze works fine
14:39<debie>sney what are the options for flash player besides flash player? I mean free and tested software
14:39<sney_>MickLH: you are welcome to share anything you came up with in query windows or offtopic channels, but this is an official support channel so please don't offer unsupported solutions.
14:40<devil>debie: yes, but they need more developement time
14:40<sney_>debie: unfortunately there's only gnash, which is free, and adobe flash player, which works
14:40<devil>debie: there isa gnash
14:40<sney_>for youtube you can avoid both and use html5. but for flash we're pretty much stuck with adobe. :(
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14:41<devil>debie: there is also lightspark
14:41<WizardNumberNext>MickLH - it is not most elegant solution - we have alternatives for that
14:41<debie>brb
14:41<MickLH>adobe learned they have to move fast and keep the bloat big and complex
14:41<MickLH>so that they can dominate the market for tools that operate on SWF files
14:41<WizardNumberNext>MickLH, you should not change it by hand - just let altwernatives do it for you
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14:42<WizardNumberNext>MickLh, I think you just got them
14:43<MickLH>html5 **** destroys flash anyways
14:43<WizardNumberNext>but suprisingly doesn't work in firefox nor konqueror
14:44<devil>MickLH: when?
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14:44<WizardNumberNext>devil, the point is not 'when', but 'where'
14:44<debie>i got to go, i'll be right back in a while
14:44<MickLH>peace
14:45<WizardNumberNext>firefox and konqueror still uses flash for youtube
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14:45<WizardNumberNext>MickLH, what do you think about rolling back to firefox 4.0
14:45<MickLH>I run chrome ;)
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14:46<WizardNumberNext>on squeeze or whezzy?
14:46<MickLH>squeeze
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14:46<WizardNumberNext>I even didn't notice it is there
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14:46<WizardNumberNext>actually I have chrome as well, but never used it
14:46<WizardNumberNext>to much data to move
14:47<MickLH>theres a tool :P
14:47<MickLH>I like the javascript performance
14:47<WizardNumberNext>you never try - you never know
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14:47<WizardNumberNext>and that is the reason
14:48-!-jet [~jet@200-239-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #debian
14:48*devil uses iceweasel, chromium and qupzilla at the same time
14:48<WizardNumberNext>it turns out I do not have to move anything - any way most of my passwords are on konqueror (via kdewallet
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14:48<WizardNumberNext>and I use GCC-4.7 and my own kernel
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14:50<WizardNumberNext>MickLh, I have to admit - it is a lot faster then firefox (firefox is bloated)
14:50<MickLH>if you write heavy web-apps you will notice
14:51<WizardNumberNext>I do not write web apps
14:51<WizardNumberNext>I am on bit lover level
14:51<MickLH>pssh
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14:52<WizardNumberNext>I do run infrastructure, which you need to deliver those apps to me
14:52<WizardNumberNext>I could not find BROUTER how-to - I did write one LinuxQuestions
14:52<MickLH>I challenge you, sir, to a dick sizery contastament!
14:52<WizardNumberNext>I lost
14:53<WizardNumberNext>;)
14:53<MickLH>I do mostly C
14:53<WizardNumberNext>I do MAC, LLC, IP, TCP
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14:54<WizardNumberNext>some C as well, but only, if amount of work would be longer then writing app
14:54<MickLH>llc?
14:54<WizardNumberNext>actually LLC is just above MAC
14:54<WizardNumberNext>just between MAC and IP
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14:55<WizardNumberNext>in 802.3 it comes down to 2 bytes
14:55<WizardNumberNext>cause rest is provided by MAC
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14:58<debie>i'm back
14:59<debie>i have to change contrast, how can i do it?
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15:00<MickLH>debie: nvidia-settings
15:00<debie>i don't have nvidia installed yet
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15:01<MickLH>reach for your monitor and press the menu key, navigate to contrase
15:01<MickLH>:P
15:01<sney_>if it's a laptop, tilt the lid
15:01<movl>it's a lapyop
15:01<movl>*laptop
15:02<WizardNumberNext>movl, I have good memory then - I was just about to say it
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15:02<movl>:)
15:02<Guest429>movl, still here?
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15:02<debie>where's the menu key
15:02<MickLH>I was fucking with you man
15:02<debie>i think that key doesn't work
15:03<MickLH>the message is "resort to hardware settings"
15:03<WizardNumberNext>debie, windows key on keyboard do not in linux as in windows
15:03<debie>in fact i think anyone of that keys works
15:03<movl>debie: on laptops, you might want a key that has Fn on it
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15:03<WizardNumberNext>debie, it is modyficator only - use mouse or ALT+F1
15:03<debie>yes it has Fn
15:03<sney_>acpitool can sometimes manage that sort of thing as well but most laptops dont have a contrast control, only brightness
15:04<debie>or change brightness
15:04<debie>i got a key in the keyboard a sun and a dark sun but none of them work under debian
15:04<WizardNumberNext>debie, look on ketboard and find proper key for brightness - it is working same way as in windows
15:04<sney_>you might need the acpi modules for your laptop
15:05<WizardNumberNext>use Fn key along with it
15:05<debie>ALT + F1 open Aplications on the menu in the top of screen
15:05<WizardNumberNext>it is not done by OS, but by laptop (BIOS/ACPI) itself
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15:05<Guest429>movl i ran aptitude purge `dpkg -l | grep nfs | awk '{ print $2 }'` but I still have entries in my network share folder
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15:05<debie>Fn + sun keys don't work
15:06<debie>aha
15:06<movl>Guest429: delete them if you don't need them
15:06<WizardNumberNext>debie - check if you have fnkeys package
15:06<debie>where can i get acpi modules for debian
15:06-!-Therion87 [~Therion87@108-84-80-15.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
15:06<sney_>what laptop
15:06<sney_>the modules are included but they might not be loaded
15:06<WizardNumberNext>debie, they are already there - provided along with kernel
15:06<MickLH>debie: if the Fn keys are sharing a number and a symbol, you have to hold another key to switch it from number to symbol
15:06<WizardNumberNext>lsmod | grep video
15:06<debie>no i haven't fnkeys
15:06<WizardNumberNext>if I am not wrong
15:06<Guest429>movl i will paste a screen shot
15:07<WizardNumberNext>install it
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15:07<WizardNumberNext>it could cause
15:07<debie>http://pastebin.com/ySabG7c5
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15:08<rfictus>how to check if I have 32 or 64 bit ubuntu installed?
15:08<movl>:(
15:08<WizardNumberNext>ok, acpi is fully loaded (at least for video and processor)
15:08<WizardNumberNext>uname -m
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15:08<WizardNumberNext>rfictus, uname -m
15:08<sney_>!ubuntuirc rfictus
15:08<dpkg>rfictus: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
15:09<rfictus>what means i686 ??
15:09<rfictus>is that 32 or 64
15:09<rfictus>?
15:09<debie>how do you know acpi is loaded?
15:09<WizardNumberNext>32b
15:09<rfictus>k thx
15:09<WizardNumberNext>I did sean on your paste
15:09<rfictus>wizard dude
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15:09<debie>where?
15:10<debie>i2c_core?
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15:10<WizardNumberNext>video, thermal_sys, processor, thermal - it is from acpi
15:10<saulo>hello! I had a chroot at /chroot/squeeze. I renamed the folder and the config at /etc/schroot/schroot.conf and created 2 more chroot environments. The problem: when the system starts all chroot sessions failed with the message "schroot: Chroot setup failed" and "/chroot/squeeze does not exists". But I already renamed the folder and at schrooot.conf! What is wrong? There are some place to...
15:10<saulo>...store this sessions?
15:10<debie>ok
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15:11<WizardNumberNext>saulo, half way through solution ln -s /chroot/squeeze /chroot/new_location
15:12<WizardNumberNext>debie, I do configure and build my own kernels from time of 2.6.2
15:12<WizardNumberNext>it is quite few years
15:12<debie>i can't imagine how you do it
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15:12<debie>it sounds dificult
15:12<WizardNumberNext>debie, with some experience, but first it was guessing
15:13<debie>what can i do to mend it?
15:13<WizardNumberNext>actually it isn't so difficult, if you know what are you doing, but to ger there - this is long way
15:13<WizardNumberNext>did you install fnkeys?
15:13<WizardNumberNext>it should work straight away
15:13<WizardNumberNext>I can check on my laptop
15:14<WizardNumberNext>give me second - I need to find session of ssh for it
15:14<debie>i can not install them
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15:14<debie>ok
15:14<WizardNumberNext>debie, I am sorry it is not acalled fnkeys
15:15<WizardNumberNext>it is fnfx-client and fnfxd
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15:15<thehf>.de
15:15<debie>ok
15:15<WizardNumberNext>just install them and it should work
15:15<thehf>ups
15:15<saulo>WizardNumberNext : Thanks, I will try. I found some files with old sessions, I used "schroot -e -c squeeze-d62ea77b-7491-4abe-98bb-4f664868a388" to finalize them and restarting the system to test
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15:16<WizardNumberNext>saulo, best way is to find all refences to /chroot/squeeze and replace them with new path
15:16<thehf>i still cant solve my UTF-8 problem, in nearly all programs i have trouble with UTF8 errors like: (audacious:7811): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()
15:16<debie>there's not fnfx-client
15:16<debie>i can not install it
15:16<WizardNumberNext>saulo, first half-way-solution was very temporary
15:16<sney_>thehf: warnings are not errors, are you actually having trouble with the program?
15:17<WizardNumberNext>debie, do you have mirrors setup?
15:17<saulo>WizardNumberNext : ok
15:17<WizardNumberNext>as far as I remember you run squeeze
15:17<WizardNumberNext>and do run squeeze as well on laptop
15:17<WizardNumberNext>saulo, I did such replacing many times
15:18<debie>how can i know if i have mirrors setup?
15:18<WizardNumberNext>I did shift all my NFS and SAMBA shares
15:18<thehf>sney_, normaly i would ignore this messages, but i got problems in nearly ALL programs. text editors cant display German umlauts
15:18<WizardNumberNext>debie, less /etc/apt/sources.list
15:19<WizardNumberNext>thehf, do you have appropariate fonts installed
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15:19<thehf>sney_, first i thought that i have set my locale wrong, but thats not true, i remember that there was an error message in synaptics, something with i18n, maybee this is related to my problem
15:19<WizardNumberNext>thehf, you should have it logged somewhere in /var/log/
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15:19<WizardNumberNext>look for it
15:19<debie>http://pastebin.com/Y42Q6LRw
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15:20<thehf>LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 is set
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15:20<lucho>hi there
15:21<WizardNumberNext>debie, uncomment all lines with deb and deb-src on beginning
15:21<thehf>WizardNumberNext, i think this was several month ago
15:22<WizardNumberNext>thehf, I do not think you do install tons of new software every day - it is dpkg related log, so it could survive
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15:23<saulo>how can I see the files starting at boot using the terminal?
15:23<saulo>*the daemons
15:23<debie>what should i do next?
15:23<WizardNumberNext>debie, after you would finish with that one run apt-get update
15:23<thehf>WizardNumberNext, /var/log/apt/history ?
15:23<WizardNumberNext>give me sec
15:24<debie>ok
15:25<WizardNumberNext>no, and I do not think it did survive - on my server logs from dpokg goes till jan 25
15:25<WizardNumberNext>it is /var/log/dpkg.log
15:26<WizardNumberNext>debie, do you see it now?
15:26<lucho>when I write 'vbeinfo" in the grub shell, only a partial list of video modes is shown (even the selected video mode is not visible), and the grud shell doesn't scroll, so my question is there's a way to see the whole list genereted by "vbeinfo" command? thanks [_]P
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15:26<thehf>WizardNumberNext, 36k lines, what to look for? error messages?
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15:26<debie>no it doesn't work yet
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15:27<WizardNumberNext>theft, to save time - find out oldest date first (could be in dpkg.log.3.gz or higher order numer)
15:27<r00t>Hello :)
15:28<WizardNumberNext>debie, I am slowly running out of ideas
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15:28<r00t>CLick for hosting :) http://178.222.2.161:8080/ please :)
15:28<WizardNumberNext>I would try to find out how it is handled on my laptop
15:28<debie>you have been very helpfull
15:28<r00t>CLick for hosting :) http://178.222.2.161:8080/ please :)
15:28<r00t>CLick for hosting :) http://178.222.2.161:8080/ please :)
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15:28<josephseraos>Hi there, I have a NTFS partition that I can't mount, because it was turned of when Windowa was updating. Is there any way to force mount? Thank you!
15:28-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
15:28<WizardNumberNext>r00t, can stop please!
15:29<WizardNumberNext>dbie, I like to help
15:29<abrotman>josephseraos: you'd have to boot windows and run the file system check
15:29<movl>josephseraos: and forced mounting can lead to loss of data
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15:30<josephseraos>I've tried it, but it doesnt work... So, I need just save same data, some files
15:30<thehf>WizardNumberNext, only got dpkg.log, logrotate has not copied this file
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15:30<movl>like abrotman says, boot from windows
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15:30<WizardNumberNext>theft, I suppose it do not go as far?
15:31<WizardNumberNext>debie, what brand is your laptop
15:31<WizardNumberNext>maybe this would help
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15:31<debie>packard bell
15:31<abrotman>from 1996?
15:32<thehf>WizardNumberNext, and i cant find any errors. are there other ways to solve this problem? for example lets start with audacious, my MP3 player.. why there are filenames with charachters i cant display? same with iceweasel, the Title bar contains wired charachters if multibyte chars are used
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15:32*SaZha_ 's things start taking sense, but no time is over
15:32<WizardNumberNext>thehf, you are missing fonts
15:32<WizardNumberNext>install some
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15:34<WizardNumberNext>debie, do you have such packages installed: acpi, acpi-support, acpid?
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15:34<debie>let me see
15:35<thehf>WizardNumberNext, do i have to configure these fonts, whats the name of the font package?
15:35<josephseraos>abrotman, I've tried this, but it doesn't work. So, I'd like just to save some files. Then, I'd like to know if there is any way to force mount this partition, please
15:35<debie>acpi-support was missing
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15:35<debie>now i have installed it
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15:36<WizardNumberNext>thehf, just search for them (font phrase is very good start)
15:37<WizardNumberNext>debie, try it now
15:37<debie>it doesn't work yet
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15:37<debie>fn + the sun key
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15:37<abrotman>josephseraos: read the mount man page .. you're likely going to destroy the data .. boot windows, fix the filesystem
15:37<WizardNumberNext>did you get acpi-support-base as well (I think acpi-support depends on foremn)
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15:38<debie>yes it was installes
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15:39<WizardNumberNext>debie, are you sure if you have to press it with Fn key, actually my mother have laptop which works otherwise (to get F1, F2.. you have to press Fn key, otherwise those keys work as utuily keys)
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15:39<WizardNumberNext>actually I know I did suggested it (or MickLH)
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15:40<thehf>WizardNumberNext, Installed xfonts- Package -> "This package contains only fonts in the ISO 10646-1 and ISO 8859-1" mmmh, i think you are right...
15:40<josephseraos>abrotman, I dont care if I lost data. I've tried mount -o force and it didnt work =\ if you have any idea, I'll be happy
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15:41<WizardNumberNext>thehf, there tons of fonts in debian
15:42<debie>the key that turns off synaptyc touch pad works perfectly byt the one with the sun keys doesn't work
15:42<abrotman>josephseraos: i gave you my idea
15:42<WizardNumberNext>thehf, when you would install most of fonts for 8859 coding you would get most languages to work
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15:42<josephseraos>abrotman, yes, I mean, anither one ;-)
15:42<abrotman>josephseraos: google "linux force mount ntfs" .. sorry about your lost data
15:43<WizardNumberNext>debie, there's something wrong with key, then
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15:43<WizardNumberNext>you can set it in some settings or some control-centre
15:43<SaZha_>abrotman, would it help to dump the partition so he could restore the damaged file-system to this state!?
15:43<WizardNumberNext>I have no idea how it is called in GNOME
15:43<abrotman>SaZha_: he doesn't seem to care that he might destroy the data he's trying to rescue ..
15:43<SaZha_>stupid, but gives you endless chance
15:43<thehf>WizardNumberNext, these languages/fonts are chosen automatic? or do i have to select one of them?
15:44<WizardNumberNext>thehf, it is done automatically - you need this coding and this coding would be provided
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15:44<SaZha_>surprise surprise
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15:45<WizardNumberNext>thehf, but I am afriad that you won't get mlauts on US keyboard - you have switch to something german, swiss or autrian
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15:46<josephseraos>abrotman, thanks a lot, I'll try this
15:46<abrotman>don't blame me
15:46<thehf>WizardNumberNext, got a german keyboard layout, my system is set to en_US so all programs are in english language. never had problems with displaying umlauts or other characters, also chinese and japanese letters where never a problem
15:46<WizardNumberNext>debie, I have find your issue already posted on some forum
15:46<WizardNumberNext>https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1086769
15:47<Rydekull>thehf: is it, en_US.UTF-8?
15:47<WizardNumberNext>Rydekull, I think so AFAIR
15:47<thehf>WizardNumberNext, btw, i am still unsure wich one to install, if i filter the packages for xfonts-* i can select chinese packages and things like that, wich one is for simple UTF-8? or do i just select them all?
15:47<thehf>Rydekull, yes
15:47<Rydekull>thehf: the UTF-8 is the reason why you dont have a problem then
15:48<WizardNumberNext>thehf, no I never have installed all of them
15:48<debie>thank you WizardNumberNext
15:48<WizardNumberNext>you can run: apt-cache search font | grep ISO8859 | sort | less
15:48<WizardNumberNext>debie, I hope it would be usefull
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15:49<thehf>WizardNumberNext, xfonts-base xfonts-100dpi is installed already
15:49<thehf>and xfonts-encoding
15:49<WizardNumberNext>debie, in case it won't be usefull - there is search phrase I used: fn laptop keys handling linux
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15:50<WizardNumberNext>thehf, normally I would get them as soon as x.org would get installed - I think it depency for x.org
15:50<thehf>WizardNumberNext, xfonts-international-european, which contains ISO-8859 latin1 etc is not installed, and i dont even want these encodings, just UTF-8
15:51<WizardNumberNext>then replace ISO8859 with UTF-8
15:51<debie>ok thank yoy i'll try to solve it
15:51<WizardNumberNext>or simply UTF
15:51<WizardNumberNext>debie, I hope you would be successful
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15:52<debie>yes, you have been very thankfull and kind, thank you very much for everything
15:52<WizardNumberNext>debie, you are most welcome
15:53<WizardNumberNext>I started to use GNU/Linux as well
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15:53<WizardNumberNext>but it was 9 years ago
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15:54<WizardNumberNext>and then I needed help and had no internet, you are in better situation and I hope that you would get to like GNU/Linux and you would stay with us
15:54<WizardNumberNext>4 words: power to the people
15:55<Rydekull>Read the fine manual
15:55<debie>indeed i ike it, even though it's difficult sometimes
15:55<WizardNumberNext>rydekull, this what I had to do and I stay with that
15:55<WizardNumberNext>debie, at first it is difficult
15:55<WizardNumberNext>as all new thing in life
15:56<Rydekull>(Look for the quote from gandhi) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBUgEx_91BU
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15:56<WizardNumberNext>Rydekull, I have heard F stand for something different, but I like fine more than ...
15:57<movl>it dos stand for something different
15:57<movl>s/dos/does
15:57<Rydekull>lies
15:57<debie>i got to go guys, thank you very much
15:57<debie>bye
15:57<thehf>WizardNumberNext, thank you, i will restart X now..
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15:58<WizardNumberNext>thehf, you don't need to
15:58<WizardNumberNext>it is not handled by x.org
15:58<WizardNumberNext>not directly
15:59<Rydekull>(he has quit)
16:00<WizardNumberNext>I didn't caught him
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16:02<fcrs>i'm curious, is there any difference between an expanded ext3 FS and one that is newly created at the larger size, e.g. are all the tables that hold metadata expanded proportionally?
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16:09<thehf>WizardNumberNext, mmh, nope still problems
16:09<WizardNumberNext>strange
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16:10<WizardNumberNext>any way I kinda tired - I have to ask you to excuse
16:10<WizardNumberNext>me
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16:12<thehf>WizardNumberNext, thank you again, good night
16:13<WizardNumberNext>yes, have to get some rest and then bed, sweet bed
16:13<WizardNumberNext>see you
16:13<WizardNumberNext>I would be comming from time to time to this channel
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16:14<WizardNumberNext>see you guys, enjoy whatever time of day is at yours
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16:16<MickLH>I've invented a portable JIT emulator
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16:17<MickLH>Not sure why, but I made an emulator backend that recompiles to lua
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16:24<sean-w>I'm having a problem with the nvidia module as described here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78411. Any ideas?
16:26<movl>so you're not sure that you used the same version on Ubuntu
16:26<movl>right?
16:27<sean-w>movl, Right, I don't have that Os anymore
16:27<movl>try booting a recent livecd
16:28<sean-w>But I am testing from Xubuntu 12.04 now under X 11 and nvidia 295.40 and its fine.
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16:29<movl>...and comparing that to 275.36-1
16:29<movl>hence me saying recent
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16:39<o0u>I got a question regarding php mbstring, is it included by default? I cant enable it via php5enmod mbstring but there is a section in php.ini with configuration options for mbstring
16:39<o0u>(but no line to enable it)
16:40<perlwizard>you probably can see using phpinfo()
16:40<perlwizard>what's enabled and what's not
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16:41<o0u>kay thx
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16:47<debio>debian was hunging on last reboot, where should I look for errors?
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16:49<perlwizard>/var/log/messages
16:49<devil>debio: depends where it hung
16:50<devil>debio: and what is 'last reboot' ? did it boot finaly and you are using it now or did you shut it off and reboot?
16:50<devil>if the latter, /var/log/messages is no good
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17:13<diablo>buenas
17:13<debio>It's hunged up on shell, I've been forced to brutally power off the computer.
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17:31<hobophobe>Anyone know the story with bug 663715 (lib32asound2-plugins no longer available)? There are a few mentions of its removal in subversion commit messages, but no explanation. Also noticed the last response to bug 659665 seems to suggest installing both the 64/32 versions of libasound2-plugins (which they say is currently broken due to a NMU of the 64-bit version)?
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17:36<abrotman>!removals
17:36<dpkg>The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt ; for logs of previous years, see http://ftp-master.debian.org/#removed . For pending removals see http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.html
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17:38<hobophobe>Thanks abrotman.
17:39<hobophobe>I guess maybe I should ask rather, is the expectation in multiarch Debian that some will install both 32/64 versions of packages?
17:39<abrotman>not sure how helpful that would be
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17:40<hobophobe>http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation ahh, this suggests exactly that it is
17:41<hobophobe>That's neat!
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17:43<scientes>hobophobe, well i guess you got you answer met, but you can install 32 and 64-bit libraries of the same package at the same time, but not /usr/bin files
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17:49<Brekkjern>Hey. I am trying to set up software RAID6 on my server during install, but when I try to set up the MD device, it just won't do anything.
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17:50<Brekkjern>I am following guides and as far as I know, I am doing it correctly.
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18:00<Brekkjern>I tried removing an MD thingy through the menu and they pop up again the next time I open it, so I checked the Alt+F4 window and this is what it outputs: http://pastebin.com/naVhZ5he
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19:06<Brekkjern>Hey. I am trying to set up software RAID6 on my server during install, but when I try to set up the MD device, it just won't do anything.
19:06<Brekkjern>I tried removing an MD thingy through the menu and they pop up again the next time I open it, so I checked the Alt+F4 window and this is what it outputs: http://pastebin.com/naVhZ5he
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19:09<musca>hi Brekkjern
19:09<Brekkjern>Hi musca :D
19:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 470] by debhelper
19:10<musca>!software raid
19:10<dpkg>"Multidisk Device" (MD) is commonly used to describe the software <RAID> facilities available in the Linux kernel. To establish a software RAID array at Debian installation time, see section 6.3.3.4 of the <install guide>. See also <mdadm>. http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/
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19:15<Brekkjern>musca, none of that describes the problems I am having
19:15<Brekkjern>And I have read that earlier
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19:16<musca>sorry, i'm not experienced enough to be more helpful
19:17<weasel>Brekkjern: you could just add it later, unless you want to install your system onto the raid6
19:17<Brekkjern>That is what I am trying to do.
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19:24<eightyeight>suppose you had 8 ocz revodrive x2 360gb ssds. what would you do with them? just sell them?
19:25<Busy>eightyeight: colo box
19:25<Busy>sell shells for rtorrent or whatever
19:25<eightyeight>Busy: ah, but i can't find a mobo that supports 8 x4 pci-e slots
19:25<Busy>hmm
19:25<Busy>use as many as possible for the aforementioned idea
19:25<Busy>sell the rest
19:25<eightyeight>heh
19:26<Busy>you can make a killing with seedboxes
19:26-!-flipside [~twisted@188.126.73.177] has joined #debian
19:26<Busy>Typical ~2 TB dedicated server for, let's say, 80 GBP a month. A <= 200 GB seedbox account could go for 10-20 Euros a month on it.
19:27<Busy>That's what I'd do, anyway.
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19:27<eightyeight>hmm
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19:28<flipside>for some reason torsocks is spitting out a bunch of errors. Both with the binary in when I compile it.
19:28<flipside>Errors look like this
19:28<flipside>The symbol res_init() was not found in any shared library. The error reported was: not found!
19:28<flipside>sry wrong %
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19:29<Busy>flipside: https://code.google.com/p/torsocks/issues/detail?id=3#c9
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19:29<flipside>Busy yeah I see it thx. Thought I was in the Tor #. Both are on OFTC
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19:30<Busy>:)
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19:30<flipside>on a side note I do use Debian though. Best dist out there =)
19:30<scientes>:)
19:30<Busy>True.
19:31<jeverz>it's been pretty stable for me
19:32<flipside>jeverz torsocks is stable for you?
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19:33<jeverz>no debain. coming from archlinux
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19:33<jeverz>but it can be difficult getting anything new to run on it
19:34<Busy>Are you running sid?
19:34<flipside>Nope I am using testing since I do a lot of programming.
19:35<jeverz>Busy, no
19:35<Busy>Ah, okay.
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19:35<jeverz>squeeze that is
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19:42<scientes>http://wiki.debian.org/PackageConfigUpgrade
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19:50<slaptman>how would i install a .fw driver?
19:50<scientes>slam, .fw files go into /lib/firmware
19:51<scientes>slaptman, and the driver belongs in the kernel
19:51<scientes>slam, what hardware (lspci or lsusb maybe), and what kernel (uname -a)
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19:52<slaptman>2.6.32-5-686
19:52<scientes>and what is the hardware?
19:52<scientes>firmware (.fw) isn't a driver
19:52<slaptman>Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/
19:53<scientes>do you have the number that you get with lspci -nn ?
19:53<slaptman>trying to get wifi working
19:53<scientes>* lspci -n
19:54<slaptman>00:00.0 0600: 8086:2a40 (rev 07)
19:54<slaptman>00:02.0 0300: 8086:2a42 (rev 07)
19:54<slaptman>00:02.1 0380: 8086:2a43 (rev 07)
19:54<slaptman>00:1a.0 0c03: 8086:2937 (rev 03)
19:54<slaptman>00:1a.1 0c03: 8086:2938 (rev 03)
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19:54<Molex731>Hello everyone.
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19:55<scientes>slaptman, just install the firmware-realtek package
19:55<scientes>from non-free repo
19:55<slaptman>http://pastebin.com/viCT66RR
19:55<scientes>oh wait
19:55<slaptman>how sorry new at this
19:56<scientes>is it a n?
19:56<scientes>or just b/g?
19:56<slaptman>b/g
19:56<scientes>http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
19:56<scientes>g doesn't need firmware
19:56<slaptman>k
19:57<scientes>(according to that page)
19:57<scientes>if you dont see it in networkmanager, i recommend getting 3.2 from backports
19:57<dvs>!beer scientes
19:57*dpkg deftly decants a fine Older Viscosity for scientes
19:58<slaptman>you talking about linux 3.2?
19:58<slaptman>kernel?
19:58<scientes>yeah
19:58<scientes>but from what i can see it should work with 2.6.32
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19:59<scientes>oh no, you need 2.6.38+
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19:59<scientes>so yeah use linux 3.2 from backports
19:59<slaptman>ok how do i get 3.2
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20:00<scientes>!backports
20:00<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
20:00<scientes>http://backports-master.debian.org/
20:00<scientes>http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/
20:00<Brekkjern>I am trying to install Debian 6.0.4 on software RAID6, but whenever I want to create an MD volume, nothing happens. I try to enter the menu for removing MD volumes and there are a few devices listed. Whenever I try to delete those, nothing happens.
20:01<Brekkjern>I checked tty4 and this is the output: http://pastebin.com/naVhZ5he
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21:05<flipside>is there a way to download a pkg binary from a repo with out actually installing it?
21:07<flipside>a deb would be nice.
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21:08<abrotman>did you read the man page for the tool you're using?
21:09<flipside>abrotman did you mean apt ?
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21:10<abrotman>but your actual tool
21:10<flipside>abrotman I am using quite a lot of tools.
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21:11<flipside>abrotman I cloned the git of the source and compiled it "torsocks" spent 3 hours in DDD trying to find out what is causing an error that a lot of ppl are having only to see that the sid version in Debian is working.
21:12<flipside>We are talking about why that is over at oftc.net #tor
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21:12<abrotman>why not just use wget? are you even using Debian?
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21:12<flipside>Yes I am with the testing repo.
21:13<abrotman>so did you read the man page for your package manager?
21:13<flipside>and yes it should be fixed in testing 1.2-3
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21:14<flipside>abrotman I guess I did about 6 years ago.
21:14<flipside>Thx I RTFM again
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21:20<flipside>pulled the source from the repo and rolled my own deb sudo checkinstall --pkgname=torsocks --pkgversion=1.2-3 --backup=no --deldoc=yes --fstrans=no --default
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21:53<flipside>abrotman for future reference is the the voodoo you were talking about? apt-get --download-only install pkgname
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21:54<abrotman>flipside: i know that
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21:55<flipside>abrotman so first dpkg --contents pkgname then the above I take it.
21:55<abrotman>why do you need the contents?
21:57<flipside>dpkg acts as a front-end to dpkg-deb, so use man dpkg-deb to see all the options. Cant hurt.
21:57<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, flipside
21:59<flipside>unparseable request?
22:00<sney>just a channel bot
22:00<sney>it's not smart enough to discard people talking about the program
22:01<flipside>ahh, was wondering if "he" had forgot his meds
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22:13<flipside>OK apt-get --download-only install pkgname worked. Is this box is a i7 but I would like to grab a copy for a SPARC system. Can this be done?
22:14<abrotman>why not use wget and get it from packages.debian.org .. i said that like an hour ago
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22:16<flipside>abrotman still looking around there.
22:17<abrotman>packages.debian.org/<pkgname>
22:17<flipside>lol, I deserver giardia for missing that.
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22:18<abrotman>surprised no one in #tor knows that
22:19<flipside>I did not ask. That would be o/t
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22:20<flipside>But yes most of the Tor devs use Debian
22:21<abrotman>i know one is an op here (or he was a tor dev at one time) and moria runs Debian last I knew
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22:22<flipside>I would guess 85% of them do. To be honest Debian is a no BS dist. Most of us hate blobs since we are paranoid as hell. Debian has a killer kernel.
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22:23<sney>'no bs' is a pretty accurate assessment
22:25<slaptman>I am trying top get my wifi to work.When i installed debian it asked for rtl18105e-1.fw so i reinstalled debian and added that.I also upgraded my kernel to 3.2 and that didn't work.I added lo as the interface in network manager and that didnt work???
22:26<sney>!realtek firmware
22:26<dpkg>Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su> and <r8712u> drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for the RTL8111D(L) and RTL8105E Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide. Firmware required by the <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de> and <rtl8192se> drivers are all packaged since firmware-realtek version 0.34.
22:26<flipside>slaptman you need the realtec firmware
22:26<flipside>yeah
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22:26<slaptman>i have it i believe
22:26<scientes>i read that only realtek n required firmware
22:26<scientes>not b/g
22:26<sney>it shouldn't have any dependencies, you can just download the deb from packages.debian.org/firmware-realtek
22:27<slaptman>cp to /lib/firmware
22:27<sney>download the package and install it properly
22:27<slaptman>ima dl it install it properly idk lol
22:27<sney>scientes, the factoid says a firmware patch providing a bug fix for rtl8105e, and that's what dmesg told him
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22:27<flipside>realtek is the Anti-Christ. When I was working with OpenBSD we just refused to even try with their junk.
22:28<sney>broadcom is arguably worse
22:28<abrotman>they are
22:28<flipside>lol, true
22:28<scientes>atheros is good
22:29<sney>yeah, atheros, intel
22:29<flipside>yeah, I quite liked the MadWifi project
22:30<sney>madwifi needed firmware, the kernel drivers nowadays don't
22:30<flipside>was back in the day when I was messing around with Aircrack-ng
22:30<sney>but I imagine madwifi's contribution led to that
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22:31<flipside>This was back when the stack drivers were not that great. Things have changes a lot since then. For one I got a job and stopped cracking others wifi =P
22:31<scientes>supposedly broadcom has come around and is doing an open-source driver
22:32<sney>the mac80211 one? it's out
22:33<flipside>I still use my Alfa AWUS036H. Little bugger has been kicking for years.
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22:35<flipside>If your going to brake WPA/WPA2 the nice exploit for WPS will just do it in a few hours. Take a look at Reaver
22:35<flipside>more like a backdoor
22:36<sney>careful, we don't want people thinking this is the backtrack channel
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22:36<flipside>=) I worked years on BackTrack as Onryo
22:37<sney>then you'd probably be extra dismayed by the script kiddies who download it and wander in here
22:37<slaptman>ok firmware is in but its still dont work..what else can i do?
22:38<sney>slaptman, is there encryption on the wireless network you want to use?
22:38<slaptman>yes
22:38<slaptman>wpa
22:38<slaptman>wpa2
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22:38<sney>make sure you have wpasupplicant installed. you may also need to reboot to ensure the firmware loaded properly
22:39<slaptman>k brb
22:39<slaptman>it's installed?
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22:40<sney>how are you configuring your interface?
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22:42<slaptman>eth0 wired and lo wifi
22:42<sney>lo is not wifi
22:42<sney>lo is your loopback interface
22:43<sney>do you mean you're setting it up in /etc/network/interfaces?
22:43<slaptman>oops let me go there
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22:45<slaptman>this is what it says http://pastebin.com/1NJ475rp
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22:46<slaptman>brb
22:46<sney>slaptman, ok, you do not have your wireless interface in there
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22:47<slaptman>how do i add it
22:47<sney>ifconfig -a will show you all of your available interfaces. your wireless is probably wlan0 but check anyway
22:47<slaptman>k
22:47<sney>then just follow this http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant
22:48<slaptman>pan0 ??
22:49<sney>I think pan0 is bluetooth
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22:50<sney>do you have a gui on this system? wireless is much less annoying with something like wicd or networkmanager
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22:50<slaptman>yes i have xfce and already have wicd but it just reads my wired connection
22:51<sney>hmm, can you pastebin the output of 'lspci -nn' and 'ifconfig -a' ?
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22:53<slaptman>http://pastebin.com/kpC5KBP4
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22:57<sney>slaptman, what's the output of uname -r
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22:57<slaptman>2.6.32-5-686
22:58<sney>ok, you need that newer kernel, you can get it from http://backports.debian.org/
22:58<slaptman>k
23:00<slaptman>3.2?
23:00<sney>judd, kernels
23:00<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.14-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.14-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
23:00<sney>yep, 3.2 from squeeze-backports
23:01<scientes>^^3.2 is good
23:01<scientes>i recommended it b/f
23:01<scientes>slaptman, if i remember from b/f that wifi is only supported 2.6.38+
23:01<scientes>so use 3.2
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23:04<slaptman>i am getting linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae
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23:06<slaptman>gonna reboot brb
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23:10<dvs>scientes: The Atheros driver needs 2.6.38. Can't say for any other driver.
23:10<slaptman>It worked :D thank you
23:11<slaptman>wlan0 was the one
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23:14<huang>who
23:14<huang>me
23:15<huang>fanqiang
23:15<huang>翻墙
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23:44<slaptman>I am trying to get a volu,e icon on the panel so i can control the volume on xfce version of debian.Also I would like to add my account to wheel group and any other group i should add i prefer to work as a sudoer rather than root can some on please help?
23:45<slaptman>*volume
23:46<Nemoder>install xfce4-mixer
23:46<Nemoder>then it should be a panel item option
23:46<slaptman>thanks
23:47<slaptman>apt-get install xfce4-mixer
23:48<slaptman>sorry wrong window lol
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23:48<slaptman>it is already installed
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23:49<Nemoder>right click the panel, Add new items
23:49<Nemoder>should be listed
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23:53<slaptman>just the mixer is there i am looking for the volume icon
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23:56<Silvio>is this the right channel to ask debian maintainer queries about packaging stuff?
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23:58<Silvio>i have a package i am making of a database's files (for use by another package).. i am using dpkg-deb --build to create the .deb. Is this the right thing to do?
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