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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-04-24

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00:05<sney>Alison_Chaiken, no problem, glad you got it sorted (sort of). worst case, at least you have a backup of /home and can just reinstall
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00:35<Alison_Chaiken>Yeah, I snapshot /home frequently.
00:35<Alison_Chaiken>Thanks again, sney.
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01:48<}{ameleon>Hello I am new in Debian. So can you help me in my question: I downloaded network installer for instalation from Windows, start it, restarted pc, and started instalation. It started to find my CD (CD-ROM LG GCR-8523B) and says that can't find it. To be or not to be? (If you can answer in Russian)
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02:05<chealer>!ru
02:05<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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02:42<ivanov5>wesh wesh
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03:49<bkhero>Hello, i want to install driver for 3ware raid controller, but it comes an error from make: http://paste.debian.net/164806/ Do I need further debian packages to install?
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03:51<jm_>it tells you which files are missing
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03:53<bkhero>yeah, I see. But I don´t know the files. For example: include/linux/autoconf.h and it says: Kernel configuration is invalid.
03:53<jm_>do "/msg dpkg search" and use the command it mentions to find the files - include/config/auto.conf is the one you'll find
03:54<bkhero>ok, thank you!
03:54<jm_>no problem
03:54<jm_>just make sure to pick the headers package for your running kernel
03:55<bkhero>yes, i had allready ;)
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04:37<Waters>follow the white rabbit
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05:54<ipineiro>hi
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05:55<ipineiro>i need some help
05:55<daev>if i've installed roundcube with aptitude, and it installed version 0.5, and now I want 0.7.2 I must install it manually. What's the best method? should i uninstall roundcube by the package manager first?
05:55<ipineiro>who can help me?
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05:55<ipineiro>hello!!
05:56<ipineiro>is there anyone?
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05:56<ipineiro>is there anyone? need some help :(
05:56<daev>help with?
05:56<ipineiro>with local repository
05:56<daev>how so?
05:56<ipineiro>i have a local mirror
05:56<daev>ok
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05:58<Maulkin>!ask
05:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
05:58<ipineiro>I have local mirror with debian squeeze packages and when i use this mirror to install local network computers they GPG key request
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05:59<ipineiro>He says that the origin is doubtful and wanted this were not so
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05:59<ipineiro>I try to add a Release.gpg of official debian mirror
05:59<Maulkin>daev: aptitiude remove --purge roundcube will remove it. I would recommend not using 0.7.2 though, 0.7.1 is in testing so you may want to get that version.
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06:00<Maulkin>ipineiro: Yeah, that won't work, as it's signing the official Debian mirror, not your packages.
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06:01<daev>Maulkin, thanks. Do you know if I can just install from testing in order to preserve the current settings? This is on my headless server which I am using for my own email So I don't want to break it today haha.
06:01<Maulkin>ipineiro: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository may help you
06:01<ipineiro>What i can do? I install debian-keyring package
06:01<daev>-i mean in otherwords, just upgrade it
06:02<Maulkin>daev: I have no idea. You could have a look at installing from backports.debian.org.
06:02<Maulkin>ipineiro: No, go read that link I sent you.
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06:02<daev>ok good idea, probably better than installing it from the archive @ roundcube. I will do a search now :]
06:03<ipineiro>Maulkin: thx, but i read it
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06:03<ipineiro>I just make a mirror with dpkg-scanpackages
06:03<Maulkin>ipineiro: So you see where on that page it says "GPG signing: No"?
06:04<ipineiro>Oh yes
06:04<Maulkin>Yeah, that will cause a problem for you.
06:04<ansgar>ipineiro: That's not a mirror. It's a different repository that contains the same packages.
06:04<ipineiro>Yes ansgar
06:04<Maulkin>ipineiro: Try reprepro or something
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06:04<ipineiro>So I use another tool?+
06:04<ipineiro>ah
06:04<ipineiro>ok
06:04<ipineiro>thx a lot
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06:05<ipineiro>i go to try it with reprepro
06:07<ansgar>ipineiro: With reprepro you will have your own GPG key that you will have to install on the clients first. If you just want a mirror, you could also look at debmirror, apt-cacher* or approx
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06:08<ipineiro>ansgar: i use dpkg-scanpackages and debmirror
06:08<ipineiro>dpkg-scanpackages to update the Packages.gz
06:08<ipineiro>with new packages
06:09<ansgar>ipineiro: So you have two repositories? A mirror and your own?
06:10<ipineiro>Hm, no i just have one mirror
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06:10<ansgar>ipineiro: It's not a mirror if you change it...
06:10<ipineiro>Hm i mean better
06:11<ipineiro>I want to make a very small installation for a Soekris nt4801
06:11<ipineiro>These do not have Internet soekris are installed via a PXE server
06:12<ipineiro>(sorry for bad english)
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06:13<ipineiro>I need a mirror or repository (I do not know the difference) to install the packages and do not tell me that the origin is uncertain
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06:14<ipineiro>Create a mirror with the basic packages downloaded from the official debian and later I added a monitoring program needed (omdistro) and update the repository with dpkg-scanpackages
06:15<ansgar>ipineiro: If you do not modify any packages, you can use debmirror. If you change anything, you can either use a, two repositories (a mirror of the official repository and another one with your own packages), or b, one repository with packages from both the official repository and your own (I think reprepro can do this).
06:15<ansgar>ipineiro: In both cases you need your own GPG key and tell clients about it.
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06:16<sprite>hi
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06:16<ipineiro>okey
06:17<ipineiro>then i have /pool with packages just i can use reprepro to make a Packages.gz with my own packages and gpg key, no?
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07:05<ipineiro>Is it normal that when i do "TOP" command I see seven processes called apache2?
07:06<Maulkin>ipineiro: Yes.
07:06<ipineiro>Maulkin: thank's
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07:37<iii>hola
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07:43<gnugr>hi
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08:10<kow>Hi. Is there a repository for APT code?
08:11<kow>Like a git repository hosting all apt-get code?
08:11<kow>I can't find it and I want to check the internals of apt.
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08:11<babilen>kow: http://anonscm.debian.org/loggerhead/apt/debian-sid/changes (see also http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apt.html)
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08:12<wellington>oi
08:12<kow>babilen: thanks
08:13<babilen>kow: Or you can just use "debcheckout PKG-NAME" to checkout/clone/.../download the git/bzr/hg/svn/.../source package for any given package. (debcheckout is in the devscripts package along a bunch of other useful things)
08:14<kow>oh great, I'll use debcheckout
08:14<kow>thank you!
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08:15<wellington>oi
08:15<babilen>wellington: Do you have a Debian related question we can help you with?
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08:17<ayaka>is there any way to set rootfs,I have know bootloader can send it,and i can write in kernel config
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08:23<jm_>ayaka: back then rdev used to work
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08:24<@abrotman> /win 1
08:25<ayaka>jjm_ ok, i will search rdev,thank you
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08:26<jm_>ayaka: man rdev
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08:27<ayaka>jm_ i have got it,it seems it is same to set it in kernel config when you compile it
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08:28<jm_>ayaka: yes, this is part of kernel build
08:29<jm_>but lately it stopped working
08:29<ayaka>jm_ sorry,it is not use
08:29<jm_>or rather, rdev has been removed
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08:30<ayaka>jm_ even set build in rootfs string is no use
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08:31<jm_>ayaka: what do you mean?
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08:32<ayaka>jm_ if i set CONFIG_VT =y, the root= will never work,but the other part of cmdline can work
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08:33<jm_>ayaka: that makes no sense to me - I use both all the time, but granted, not on a phone
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08:34<ayaka>jm_ yes, maybe I should find something instead of CONFIG_VT=y
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08:35<jm_>ayaka: maybe play with this in a VM first
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08:35<ayaka>jm_ but it is arm arch
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08:36<jm_>ayaka: well qemu can do arm too
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08:37<ayaka>jm_ i foget,but the kernel has its special devices,or i should just config the kernel as a normal armhf kernel?
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08:38<jm_>ayaka: now that I don't know :)
08:39<ayaka>jm_ thank you very much
08:39<jm_>man page describes what it emulates for a PC, so hopefully similar info is available for other architecture emulators too
08:39<jm_>ayaka: no worries
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09:07<daev>Maulkin, thank you for your suggestion of using the wheezy repo. I know sometimes it's frowned upon but it didn't throw up any dependancies so i'm happy :]
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09:16<Maulkin>daev: I would normally suggest getting the package and rebuilding...
09:17<daev>what's the process for rebuilding it, please?
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09:17<daev>(not that i will do it now, but I'll know for next time)
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09:23<tom2bor>Hi, I want to execute my script once after reboot after the installation. How to realise it?
09:23<daev> ok ok i see here (http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/15/howto-to-rebuild-debian-packages/ ) thanks Maulkin
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09:32<@Ganneff>tom2bor: cronjob @reboot that deletes itself... or init script that unlinks itself.... (or maybe instead of unlink/remove a check if it ran already and then noop)
09:33<themill>isn't there a d-i custom script hook too?
09:33<@Ganneff>for "after reboot"? there is late_cmd and stuff, where you can set this up...
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09:52<bluenemo>hey guys, i'm looking for a fashioned way to clone ubuntu systems, like the home and installed packages and so on.. (basicly i dont know myself yet what so on means :) i know its basicly just a cp / rsync command but i wanted to look out what kind of tools other guys wrote. any suggestions? apt-cache and google didnt really get me what i was looking for.. i dont want a cloning distribution (like clonezilla or so :) just small powerful tools
09:53<ayaka>!ubuntu
09:53<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
09:53<ayaka>but you can use clonezilla to do
09:53<ayaka>or tar is fun
09:55<tom2bor>Gannedd: thanks
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09:56<tom2bor>Ganneff: my debian system is starting with gui (gnome) in the runlevel 2. Is it correct? I know from others OS, that 3 is console and gui is 5...
09:57<tom2bor>i checked my runblevel with the command runlevel
09:57<bluenemo>i've been an admin for several years now ayaka, however i appriciate your input. i know ( :( ) about the differences of ubuntu and debian. however i also know that in #ubuntu one can only ask end user gnome bull, thats why i still prefer my good old debian channel :)
09:58<ayaka>bluenemo sorry
09:58<bluenemo>tom2bor, yes thats correct. debian has unlike others not init 5
09:58<bluenemo>init S is basicly all the fancy stuff. besides there is init 1, single user root only
09:58<bluenemo>ayaka, np ;)
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09:59<bluenemo>(btw init S and init 2 are the same as far as i know)
09:59<MTecknology>I was just trying to make it work
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10:00<tom2bor>so if I want to execute my script after reboot i should link to the rc2? Or maybe also rc3, rc4, rc5?
10:00<MTecknology>Philambdo: When I was reading it earlier, it seemed that the repos wasn't for package syncs but instead was for knowing what packages were available to specific systems so it knew which ones needed to be updated. Now that I'm corrected on that, I can't figure out how to make spacewalk know that systems need to be updated.
10:01<bluenemo>tom2bor, depends on when you want it executed. list yourself through the init dirs and look for an appropriate place.
10:01<bluenemo>btw you can use (if i'm not to tired now :) this here for it: update-rc.d - install and remove System-V style init script links
10:02<bluenemo>and as your hanging around in init anyway, take a look at the 'service' command. its to replace plain /etc/init.d/foobar restart or so
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10:05<tom2bor>bluenemo: I know also rcconf gui for init.d configurations. It put the script in all rc2,3,4,5. I linked only rc3 manually and the script doesn't started, becouse my system start with init level 2...
10:05<tom2bor>so my question is if i need to put it only to the 2 or also 3,4,5
10:05<bluenemo>no 2 should be ok as far as i know.
10:06<bluenemo>do any of you guys know a better way to dpkg --get-selections? i want only what the user installed manually (via apt-get / aptitude install)
10:07<bluenemo>at my system (dumbbuntu) there are the exact same scripts in it.. however if you take update-rc.d (just test with it once) you'll see where it puts your script.
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10:08<bluenemo>(with in it i mean /etc/rc2-5.d
10:08<themill>!aptitude clone
10:08<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
10:09<themill>bluenemo: ^^ that grabs only manually installed packages; there may be differences in what packages were (or were not) automatically installed when you clone that way, however.
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10:10<themill>bluenemo: but if you're looking to clone ubuntu, you should ask #ubuntu or perhaps #ubuntu-server (both on irc.freenode.net); we have no idea what other tools they may have for this.
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10:12<bluenemo>themill, currently i'm only looking for a way to list all MANUALLY installed packages ;) please dont send me to #ubuntu, i cant see "help me my gnome bar is gone" anymore :P seriously, i havent got a sencefull answer in that chan for a year or so. i've always been a debian guy and i will always stay loving it (my company forces me to use ubuntu :( well the aptitude lists all packages + dep's i guess, i seriaously only want "emacs" if i onl
10:12<bluenemo>y did an aptitude install emacs.
10:13<bluenemo>i know its possible i had a command once but i lost it in my notes :/
10:14<themill>bluenemo: well, dpkg just gave you how to do that. And please, do keep ubuntu support in #ubuntu* channels. The chances of you getting wrong/inapplicable advice here is higher than you'd expect
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10:19<bluenemo>themill, i know what you mean and understand your opinion. however ubuntu IS far away from debian but i've seriously been using debian for a very long time and know about the differences (of course not all but those that concern my work) as i'm still using debian wherever i can (ubuntu here is only in the office workstations - servers and so on are still debian of course and that also is my main task of work). themill, i dont want to discus
10:19<bluenemo>s as you are right in general; but i seriously see no more sence in asking in #ubuntu as i just dont get answers. here i do, and they help in 99% of the cases. as well, when i just want to answer a few questions, #ubuntu is horrible. its gnome. only. (basicly - imho). thats not what i learned administration for. + i think #ubuntu has a whole different mentality than #debian. here are in general professional admins, devel's and so on. in #u
10:19<bluenemo>buntu there are in general only end users (and those that know the answers to end user questions). i just dont know how to recover the gnome bar and i dont care ;)
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10:20<themill>bluenemo: (a) IRC has a character limit on lines (b) please respect our choice to volunteer here to support debian users
10:22<bluenemo>i send it to you in private. as you can read out of it, i'm using debian. sorry for the long post, didnt expect it to get that long :)
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10:24<ansgar>bluenemo: If you don't find #ubuntu helpful, but your company doesn't want to use Debian, you can also get paid support for Ubuntu.
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10:30<SynrG>bluenemo: re "my company forces me to use ubuntu". if they are smart, they will recognize that having good support saves money. when you run into stuff like this that they're paying you for, start building the case for debian instead. maybe they'll see the light?
10:32<SynrG>if they're not smart, well ... consider how long you want to work for employers who are not smart.
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10:33<bluenemo>SynrG, they are a bunch of rails devel's, they have no idea about linux ;) but we're not hardcore ubuntu, basicly we got it because the sound is working out of the box m) we dont have gnome (but xmonad) and start from a minimal install... i've been using ubuntu now for about half a year and its actually acceptable. from my point of few its actually quite similar to debian. however, 90% of my time is still spend on debian servers and if that
10:33<bluenemo> would be otherwise i wouldnt work here, yes.
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10:35<SynrG>bluenemo: put it to them this way: which is more, the up-front costs to resolve issues like sound in debian, or the long-term costs over the lifespan of the system in poor support? have them do the math.
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10:37<bluenemo>SynrG, we're currently on 10.04. i've tested 12.04 a few days ago in a VM and already told them that i will most propably not support that new release. eventually they'll switch back but hey, they're (jsut :P) programmers :) you know the admin - customer thing yourself.
10:37<bluenemo>jsut = just
10:37<jrib>bluenemo: also #ubuntu can't help you if you don't actually ask the question there :)
10:37<bluenemo>jrib, ?
10:38<bluenemo>i asked here (as you can see by this discussion :D
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10:41<heikkila>bluenemo, why don't you try to get the sound working in Debian?
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10:43<bluenemo>:) heikkila it is / was just not my decision. i've been basicly growing up with debian, i'll never ever change for myself :) but hey, i'm the server admin, that is debian. i spend veeery rare time on the workstations here (set them up fine once and the've been doing well so far)
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10:43<SynrG>did we ever watch the last one together?
10:43<SynrG>ECHAN
10:44<sney>pro
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11:09<tom2bor>hi I sym-link my script to /etc/rc2.d/S99myscript, after reboot the system changed it to S21myscript. Why?
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11:10<babilen>tom2bor: On squeeze?
11:10<tom2bor>yes
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11:10<babilen>tom2bor: Squeeze uses dependency based boot and the boot order is set by insserv
11:11<cts>grub gives me "unaligned pointer 0x3" on a raid1 partition (the second disk fails to spin up), how can I get past this to boot?
11:11<babilen>!tell tom2bor -about lsb tags
11:11<tom2bor>babilen: oooh, can i shut it of?
11:12<tom2bor>or how to add the dependency so that my script will be executed at the finish
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11:14<SynrG>do like the factoid says. just ensure the script depends on the latest thing that needs to happen in order for the script to run successfully
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11:14<babilen>tom2bor: Just depend on whatever the script actually depends on.
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11:15<SynrG>the whole point is that you shouldn't have to think about sequencing if you do that
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11:17<SynrG>if you were able to state "do this thing as the very last" then what if the N-1th thing takes 5 minutes to set up? your script is delayed by 5 minutes. now, what if you didn't actually depend on it?
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11:19<sml>hey all. if my system is under load, as in the load average is sky high and it takes a while to do basic things on the box, is there a command that can help? top showed that CPU wasn't overly high so I presume it was IO
11:19<themill>!am I swapping
11:19<dpkg>Run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first 3 lines. If the "so" column is not 0s all the time, then you are swapping.
11:20<sml>so was zero
11:20<sml>wasn't using swap. But I did have some procs in status D
11:20<sml>imapd, to be precise
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11:21<tom2bor>I understood, if my script depends on apache2, so i should say: '# Required-Start: $apache2'?
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11:23<sml>themill: load is currently 20+ and ssh takes ages to login etc. is there a quick command to tell exactly what is causing it?
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11:23<themill>iotop will tell you what IO is going on
11:23<sml>I did do
11:23<SynrG>tom2bor: not exactly. just apache2, i think
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11:24<sml>I did run a watch -n 1 "(ps aux | awk '\$8 ~ /D/ { print \$0 }')" and it showed some imapd processes in state 'D'
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11:25<Maulkin>sml: How's our responsiveness once you've logged in?
11:25<sml>Maulkin: terrible
11:25<Maulkin>ban, not entropy then.
11:26<SynrG>tom2bor: did you read the wiki article in the factoid? the things starting with $ are "virtual facilities". apache2 is not one of these. it's just a scriptname
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11:26<Maulkin>iotop will probably help :)
11:26<sml>in vmstat under bi bo should they also be 0 ?
11:26<Maulkin>sml: ^^
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11:27<tom2bor>if i remove the required-start at all, and set S99, the script will be executed on the last postition? The point is, I just want to execute my script once after the installation, i remove the sym-links to rc* for self after finished installation...
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11:27<Maulkin>sml: Well, not 0, but that's for blocks in/out.
11:27<sml>Maulkin: just trying to fathmo if imapd is blocking IO
11:27<Maulkin>Could be.
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11:28<sml>just not sure how to prove it/tell for sure
11:28<Maulkin>sml: strace may help...
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11:29<sml>I'm going to install iostat
11:29<sml>and as themill said, iotop
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11:31<daev>anyone here ever set up Plugin Manager for roundcube, in squeeze?
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11:37<SynrG>tom2bor: did you read the wiki article? see the list of virtual facilities. "$all" seems to do what you want
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11:41<SynrG>(though admittedly, that's a bit mushy, since some other things may run after $all. but presumably that would be a very short list. grep is your friend.)
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12:14<jeshwanth_>Hello, Anybody help me please
12:15<babilen>jeshwanth_: All your problems have been solved. Have a nice day!
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12:15<jeshwanth_>I have download the kernel source code built it and installed also but it is not booting at all
12:15<jeshwanth_>How can I remove that kernel ?
12:15<babilen>Why don't you use a Debian kernel?
12:15<jeshwanth_>I am using ubuntu 11.10
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12:16<babilen>jeshwanth_: You want to ask in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net in that case.
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12:16<jeshwanth_>Oh thank you babilen ... have a nice day :)
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12:17<babilen>jeshwanth_: You too -- That said: You should be able to just delete it manually.
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12:18<jeshwanth_>oh as per my understanding I have to delete the kernel menu entry in grub.cfg right ?
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12:19<babilen>jeshwanth_: Best ask in #ubuntu -- I am not sure how they handle their grub configuration and don't want to tell you something wrong. We can only support Debian in here.
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12:20<jeshwanth_>Ok anyway thank you babilen :)
12:20<ayaka>if i send like console=tty0 console=tty1 to kernel cmdline,console will be tty0 or tty1
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12:53<Cr0ssb0n3s>hi all!
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13:01<i10neorg>For a while now (I'm guessing since the internationalization of package descriptions), a single host of mine won't display package descriptions in aptitude (it does display the one-line package description and metadata).
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13:01<x86>ciao !list
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13:02<i10neorg>I noticed "apt-cache showpkg x" only lists "Description Language: " (blank), whereas my working hosts also have a "Description Language: en", so I'm guessing that's the problem.
13:02<i10neorg>But I don't know how to resolve it!
13:02<i10neorg>Thanks for any pointers.
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13:19<SamSpade>list
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13:20<chealer>i10neorg: see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/01/msg00617.html
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13:26<MTecknology>Any of you guys know of any magical solution for managing updates on servers from a central server?
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13:27<dondelelcaro>MTecknology: puppet or similar is what a lot of people use
13:27<youlysses>"Magical"?
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13:47<ox>is it hard to lsbize an init script?
13:47<ox>don't quite understand why I have to do this with this upgrade to squeeze
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13:48<ox>anyone else have a shitty time upgrading to squeeze?
13:49<ox>I thought debian was working on making it EASIER to upgrade lol
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13:50<themill>it is quite easy. Are you following the release notes?
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13:52<ox>just add that header to the offending init scripts?
13:52<ox>themill
13:53<ox>soo easy a newb could do it right lol
13:53<themill>which newb wrote init scripts?
13:53<ox>no talking about upgrading
13:54<themill>if you didn't write init scripts, then you've got nothing to do
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13:54<ox>then just ignore the errors from dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc?
13:54<themill>Perhaps we could see real output of the problem you've got rather than trying to solve hypotheticals?
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13:55<ox>running "dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc"
13:56<ox> Unable to migrate to dependency-based boot system │
13:56<ox> │ │
13:56<ox> │ Tests have determined that problems in the boot system exist which │
13:56<ox> │ prevent migration to dependency-based boot sequencing: │
13:56<ox> │ │
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13:57<themill>dpkg: tell ox about paste
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13:58<ox>insserv: warning: script 'K89bastille-firewall' missing LSB tags and overrides
13:58<ox>so I have to go in there and modify an init script to be LSB compliant?
13:59<ox>its stopping me from migrating to dependency-based boot system
13:59<rev>well *you* shouldn't have too, my guess is thats a bug with bastille-firewall (you can go check if you want)
13:59<themill>ox: do you have the "bastille-firewall" package installed?
14:00<ox>yes
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14:00<ox>paste.debian.net/164945
14:00<ox>for the full error
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14:01<rev>all those look custom, that true ?
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14:03<babilen>ox: Ok. These errors are due to legacy init scripts being present in /etc/init.d/ -- The most common reason for that is that you remove-but-not-purged a package. This can be solved by purging all removed-but-not-purged packages with "aptitude purge ~c"
14:03<themill>ox: the packages that are "removed but not purged" you can just purge to get rid of and solve the problem. The other ones need some more thought -- would you have edited them yourself?
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14:05<themill>ox: 3wareRAID.sh, for example, doesn't appear to be from debian
14:05<babilen>ox: Other common reason comprise: You didn't quite upgrade every package that is installed on your system, manually edited an init script or installed third-party software that doesn't provide LSB init scripts.
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14:06<babilen>ox: Could you paste the output of "aptitude versions ~c", "apt-cache policy", "aptitude update ; aptitude search ~U" and "aptitude search ~o" to http://paste.debian.net please?
14:06<ox>babilen, themill - didn't touch any of the init scripts, but I think I have install from tarballs some of those programs, like bastille
14:06<themill>:(
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14:06<themill>don't be quite so fast to blame debian then...
14:06<ox>I added the header info to lsb-ize to the bastille script and it doesn't complain about it anymore
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14:09<babilen>ox: Well, you either have to use Debian packages or fix these problems yourself. There is very little we can do if you manually install third-party software.
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14:10<ox>actually bastille was installed as a deb package
14:10<ox>was wrong on that
14:10<ox>hmmm
14:10<babilen>ox: bastille has been removed from Debian
14:11<babilen>,v bastille
14:11<judd>Package: bastille on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.1.1-19; sid: 1:3.0.9-13
14:11<babilen>s/from Debian/from squeeze/
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14:11<ox>news to me
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14:12<themill>!dbugs 524599
14:12<dpkg>#524599:G[bastille] bastille -c says not a supported operating system (); Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:45:02 UTC []
14:12<babilen>You can probably backport the package from sid if you *really* need it.
14:12<babilen>!tell ox -about ssb
14:12<babilen>ox: But I am not sure if it is worth it.
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14:13<babilen>ox: What about the other scripts?
14:13<themill>(it may or may not work, given that bug is still open)
14:13<ox>babilen,
14:13<ox>yes was just about to ask if anyone has a suggestion for a replacement
14:13<ox>for bastille
14:13<babilen>A good system administrator?
14:14<ox>lol, I'm as good as it gets around here
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14:19<ox>woot
14:19<ox>got it to go
14:20<ox>babilen, found another script in there - sbadm that needed the header on it. its an admin daemon my hosting provider put there
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14:27<i10neorg>chealer: Thanks for the pointer to get my long package descriptions back.
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14:28<i10neorg>I do have "Acquire::Languages 'en'" in "apt-config dump", so I don't think that's my problem.
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14:29<i10neorg>I so see that blah__i18n_Translation-en is missing from /var/lib/apt/lists (but _i18n_Index is there).
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14:34<i10neorg>"sudo rm -r /var/lib/apt/lists/*; sudo aptitude update" didn't work...
14:35<i10neorg>It must be a config somewhere, but I keep the machine as vanilla as possible... hmm...
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14:35<i10neorg>Why would apt not be grabbing the long descriptions of packages?
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14:39<chealer>i10neorg: please provide the output of # apt-get update
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14:48<taylor>hello
14:48<retrospectacus>hi
14:48<taylor>i just installed linux is there any good things i should i know about it
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14:50<retrospectacus>!fundamentals
14:50<dpkg>You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/
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14:51<i10neorg>chealer: <http://paste.debian.net/164959/>
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14:55<i10neorg>But I only see <http://paste.debian.net/164960/> in /var/lib/apt/lists ...
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15:05<chealer>i10neorg: which apt version do you use?
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15:07<i10neorg>chealer: "apt 0.8.15.10 for amd64 compiled on Mar 6 2012 14:33:57"
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15:10<chealer>i10neorg: is bzip2 installed?
15:10<i10neorg>I noticed "Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Translation-en" during "apt-get update". Maybe that "Ign" is the culprit?
15:11<i10neorg>Maybe I could force it to download even if the checksums match (if that's what that's saying)?
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15:13<i10neorg>chealer: bzip2 is not installed on the problematic host, but libbz2-1.0 is (being a PreDepends of "dpkg" (and "Priority: important")).
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15:13<chealer>i10neorg: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=669008
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15:14<AndroUser>Need help with deviant server. Can ping mix but can't ping outside of network
15:14<AndroUser>Debian server*
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15:15<AndroUser>Hello?
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15:20<drpj>hi
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15:22<tek586>Need help with a Debian server.
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15:25<tek586>I can ping the nic but can't ping outside ip address.
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15:26<i10neorg>chealer: Bingo!
15:26<sney>tek586, please describe your whole issue
15:26<i10neorg>That's it, thanks so much!
15:27<i10neorg>My internet search foo failed me.
15:27<themill>i10neorg: it's not the most obvious problem
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15:27<i10neorg>themill: Thanks for the comfort. :)
15:28<tek586>We are running otrs on the server and suddenly it went down. I'm unable to ping the server from my laptop.......
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15:29<tek586>At the console I can the servers ip address but I can't ping no other machine on our network......
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15:30<tek586>Need to know if I have a bad nic or I need to restart a service or what.
15:30<chealer>i10neorg: testing users should be familiar with the ITS. I didn'T use a search engine to find your problem
15:30<themill>i10neorg: (it's already fixed in sid and that fix should migrate to testing quite soon)
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15:31<i10neorg>chealer: I'm sorry... "ITS"?
15:31<chealer>!its
15:31<dpkg>somebody said its was the third person neuter singular possessive prononun -- "belonging to it". It does not have an apostrophe. "It's" is a contraction for "it is" and uses an apostrophe to denote removed letters. the Incompatible Timesharing System
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15:32<chealer>i10neorg: issue tracking system. ours is at http://www.debian.org/Bugs/
15:32<chealer>!bts
15:32<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
15:32<themill>i10neorg: the rest of debian calls if the "BTS"
15:32<DebianLover>hi
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15:32<DebianLover>i'v a question about totem
15:33<DebianLover>is it possible to find the url of an online streaming in totem movie player 3.0.1?
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15:34<tek586>We also had a tg3_ts05.bin error but i was able to correct it.
15:34<i10neorg>chealer: Oh, for sure, I use the bts. I didn't browse apt's bugs because I didn't know that's where my issue laid.
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15:34<i10neorg>Anyway, thanks a lot, folks. I appreciate it and will wait for the updated apt.
15:35<tek586>This error would come up whenever I did an ifconfig eth0 down then up.
15:35<chealer>OK i10neorg
15:35<imatsu>hello, can any help me please?, this chart � is?
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15:36<tek586>Is there anything I can do to correct this problem?
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15:39<sney>tek586, what debian version? how is your network configured?
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15:40<tek586>Debian GNU/linux 6.0
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15:41<tek586>Linux crm 2.6.32
15:42<sney>crm?
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15:42<tek586>That's what I seeing here
15:43<sney>where
15:43<tek586>When I log in as root
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15:44<tek586>Also I see tg3: eth0: transmit timed out resetting
15:44<sney>tek586, please, I am not at your computer with you, so I don't know what screen you are looking at
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15:44<tek586>I'm at the console right now
15:45<tek586>With my cursor blinking
15:45<WizardNumberNext>tek586, dmesg paste please?
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15:46<sney>WizardNumberNext, you can have this one. I think it might be a routing issue but he's been far too vague for me to know yet
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15:46<tek586>I'm sorry I'm doing the irc from my cellphone
15:47<WizardNumberNext>sney, it could be anything - I have problems with timeouts from time to time on bridge
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15:47<tek586>Hey Wizardnumbernext will you he here tomorrow
15:47<tek586>Be*
15:47<WizardNumberNext>tek586, it very probable, I would be here
15:48<WizardNumberNext>s/it/it is/
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15:48<WizardNumberNext>tek586, what time?
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15:48<sney>there is usually someone here who knows what they're talking about as long as you give a good problem description
15:48<tek586>Ok
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15:49<tek586>Let's try 1 pm est
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15:50<WizardNumberNext>tek586, sney is right, there is (almost) always somebody here who knows that stuff. 1pm est? What time is would GMT (or if you prefer UTC)?
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15:50<sney>that's 11am my time, I probably won't be here
15:51<WizardNumberNext>sney and what your tz is?
15:51<sney>mst
15:51<sney>or, mdt I guess.
15:51<WizardNumberNext>sney, GMT+? Do you know?
15:52<retrospectacus>+6
15:52<sney>correct
15:53<WizardNumberNext>so est turns out to be GMT+8, which means 4am in London (GMT+1 at the moment)
15:53<retrospectacus>est is +4
15:53<retrospectacus>edt
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15:53*retrospectacus is in PDT at -7 (currently 12:54)
15:53<WizardNumberNext>I won't make it, somebody else would have to help him - I would be sleeping
15:53<retrospectacus>wait -7 or +7
15:54<sney>www.timeanddate.com/worldclock, I can never do it in my head
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15:58<WizardNumberNext>now it turns out to be 9am in London, so I am still unavailable (only day in 2 weeks time). He is unlucky if it comes to me.
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16:03<heikkila>9pm
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16:04<heikkila>I mean in London now
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16:10<gnugr>Orayan:why?
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16:14<anbe>can anyone confirm this: Failed to fetch http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/pool/main/k/keyutils/libkeyutils1_1.5.2-2~bpo60+1_amd64.deb Hash Sum mismatch
16:15<bluenemo>works here anbe
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16:16<gnugr>anbe:works!
16:16<imatsu>works
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16:17<@weasel>weasel@englund:/srv/mirrors/backports.debian.org$ sha1sum pool/main/k/keyutils/libkeyutils1_1.5.2-2~bpo60+1_amd64.deb
16:17<@weasel>22a4eec78c692938b295789049b8fa42732fa49a pool/main/k/keyutils/libkeyutils1_1.5.2-2~bpo60+1_amd64.deb
16:18<@weasel>weasel@morricone:/srv/mirrors/backports.debian.org$ sha1sum pool/main/k/keyutils/libkeyutils1_1.5.2-2~bpo60+1_amd64.deb
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16:18<@weasel>dists/squeeze-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz:SHA1: 22a4eec78c692938b295789049b8fa42732fa49a
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16:18<@weasel>I say there's nothing wrong with it.
16:18<retrospectacus>update and try again anbe
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16:20<imatsu>verify you network
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16:24<jwayne>sid's wicd needs to make it's way to wheezy :/ there's a bug in wheezy's that prevents passwords to be saved
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16:27<retrospectacus>,checkbackport wicd --torelease wheezy
16:27<judd>Backporting package wicd in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
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16:28<retrospectacus>jwayne: you should be able to compile sid's wicd on wheezy ^^ /msg dpkg ssb
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16:31<jwayne>retrospectacus: oh i know, i updated, no worries
16:31<jwayne>retrospectacus: just sayin' ;)
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17:54<goodyob>hello
17:55<retrospectacus>hey
17:55<goodyob>Is this a good place to get help on Ubuntu?
17:55<goodyob>THeir channel isn't being helpful right now
17:55<retrospectacus>nope
17:56<goodyob>;_;
17:56<retrospectacus>this channel is for debian, which is much different
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18:13<youlysses>Are game-emulators not in the repos?
18:14<retrospectacus>some are. What's your quesion?
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18:16<spidy>sup
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18:16<abrotman>not much apparently
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18:19<youlysses>I'm looking for mame. (And really almost one for MOST "big" consoles out thepe ... :-P) I don't need anything with a gui, actually would prefer ones without one.
18:19<retrospectacus>!mame
18:19<dpkg>MAME (Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator) is an emulator of arcade game system hardware. The X11 port for Unix-like systems (XMAME) is packaged for Debian as xmame-{sdl,svga,tools,x}, ask me about <non-free sources>; it was removed post-Squeeze to resolve bug #612531. Its official replacement (SDLMAME) is packaged as mame and mame-tools since Wheezy, ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Mame
18:19<abrotman>dpkg: tell youlysses about mame
18:19<abrotman>so much cleaner ...
18:20<retrospectacus>this way everyone gets to learn about mame, whether they want to or not! mwahaha
18:20<youlysses>lol.
18:21<youlysses>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "mame" (I'm on sid ...)
18:23<retrospectacus>you probably didn't read enough
18:23<Nethox>The testing and unstable versions of grep matches "bbbb" with this command: printf abbbbb | grep --color -e '[b]b'
18:23<youlysses>Or for -'sdlmame' , 'xmame', or 'mame-tools'
18:23<Nethox>Can anyone reproduce that?
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18:23<youlysses>Is it because it's in non-free...?
18:24<retrospectacus>youlysses: if you don't have non-free, then yes.
18:24<youlysses>What lisence is it under, a custom one?
18:27<abrotman>check the copyright file
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18:28<Nethox>In the previous text, instead of just match "bb", amd64 versions of grep 2.10-1 and 2.11-3 matches all the b's inside. Anyone else with the same behaviour?
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18:30<Nethox>It happens with all supported regex types: basic, extended or perl
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18:31<themill>Nethox: grep does multiple matches per line, yes
18:32<retrospectacus>Nethox: I don't understand the question. Yes [b]b matches all the b's, what did you expect?
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18:32<youlysses>"* Redistributions may not be sold, nor may they be used in a commercial
18:32<youlysses>product or activity.! I'm guessing this is why ...
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18:34<Nethox>retrospectacus, I expected just "bb". It must be what themill says, it does multiple matches per line (with -o I see them splited)
18:36<retrospectacus>yep
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18:44<DebianLover>is it possible to make a archive of some directories and files and preserve acl?
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18:46<retrospectacus>DebianLover: yes. tar does this
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18:48<DebianLover>retrospectacus: but in the man page of tar i couldn't find any things about acl (searching acl does not highlights any words)
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18:49<retrospectacus>wait, what acls are you talking about?
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18:50<Nethox>The ACLs are stored as extended attributes, so xattr is what to look for
18:50<DebianLover>retrospectacus: access control list
18:50<DebianLover>retrospectacus: and extended file attributes
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18:52<retrospectacus>ah. I don't know
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18:53<Nethox>I don't see xattr and acl support in tar, cpio, ar, pax
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18:54<DebianLover>Nethox: do you mean python-xattr?
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18:54<abrotman>Nethox: apt-cache show dar
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18:56<DebianLover>abrotman: dar seems do that
18:57<abrotman>if he has access to it
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18:57<DebianLover>abrotman: what do you mean?
18:58<abrotman>he may not be allowed to install it, or be running a version of Debian that doesn't have it
18:58<Nethox>abrotman, DebianLover was the asker, though I am interested too, thanks
18:58<abrotman>oh .. sorry
18:58<Nethox>DebianLover, xattr is the same as extended attributes, but shorter
18:59*abrotman got whamboozled or something
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19:00<DebianLover>Nethox: do you mean python-xattr?
19:00<miticko>Anyone familiar with ZNC?
19:00<retrospectacus>!tell miticko about anyone
19:00<DebianLover>Nethox: or just xattr?
19:00<Nethox>DebianLover, no, that's an API to manage extended attributes from python, the user tools are in the attr package
19:00<miticko>xD
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19:04<DebianLover>Nethox: could you make it concrete? i'm going to make an archive containing some directories and files
19:04<miticko>I need help updating ZNC from .204 to .206 is there a way to do it without disconnecting all the znc's already online?
19:04<DebianLover>Nethox: how can i keep extended file attributes for the archive?
19:05<Nethox>DebianLover, I call "attr" to the EXT filesystem attributes: lsattr, chattr from e2fsprogs
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19:06<Nethox>DebianLover, I call "xattr" to the extended attributes common to various filesystems: getfattr, setfattr from the package "attr"
19:06<Nethox>DebianLover, I have never used dar, so I can't help you with the command, but it will be in the man page
19:08<Nethox>*it must be explained in the man page
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19:08<DebianLover>Nethox: ok thanks
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19:12<Nethox>A lot of this archivers and compressors only support second-precision timestamp
19:12<Nethox>these..
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19:21<DebianLover>how can i restore the file efa which is made by: getfacl -R /aDirectory > efa
19:23<abrotman>setfacl i'd think
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19:24<abrotman>the man page even talks about the situation you're asking about
19:24<DebianLover>abrotman: thanks
19:24<Nethox>And getfattr/setfattr use the same syntax for extended attributes
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19:28<lfaraone>on a squeeze system, I cannot "rmmod fuse" because its in use, but /sys/fs/fuse/connections/ is empty. any idea how I can determine why the module is in use?
19:29<Nethox>lfaraone, lsmod's column "Used by"
19:29<lfaraone>Nethox: running $ lsmod | grep fuse returns "fuse 50732 1 "
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19:30<DebianLover>thanks guys
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19:30<streuner_>lfaraone: any idea why you are using fuse at all
19:30<DebianLover>bye
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19:34<Nethox>lfaraone, umount /sys/fs/fuse/connections && modprobe -vr fuse
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19:35<Nethox>Even when not used, that mountpoint counts as one usage of the fuse module
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19:37<Nethox>lfaraone, to persist the change, also prevent the /etc/init.d/ script to be executed in the runlevels you want, with update-rc.d
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20:03<_spOOn_>hi, I am currently using autofs +cachefs to mount nfs volumes on my machine, and it seems to me that the cache gets cleared when the system is rebooted.
20:03<_spOOn_>is there any way to make this cache persistent?
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20:29<Flavaln>Hi. I'd like to place /boot on a CD for security reasons. I really can't find much about this online. Has anyone tried this, or offer advice?
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20:32<abrotman>why not mount it read-only ?
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20:33<Flavaln>Good question. I guess I'm more paranoid than that.
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20:34<Flavaln>I don't want some malware on some OS I boot into to overwrite anythin.
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20:40<tuklavorx-8>alguien puede hablar español
20:40<tuklavorx-8>help
20:40<abrotman>!es
20:40<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
20:40<tuklavorx-8>thanks
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21:14<miticko>I am wondering how to check process or view things that have forked into the backround i have tried locating the proccess with ps -e but no luck, any advice?
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21:25<ring0>miticko, try jobs
21:25<miticko>nothing for jobs
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21:28<miticko>any other ideas ring0 ?
21:29<abrotman>you can just look to see what processes your UID owns?
21:29<miticko>how?
21:30<s_i_m>ps ux
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21:30<miticko>::facepalm::
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21:30<miticko>thank you s_i_m
21:30<s_i_m>for nothing
21:32<s_i_m>btw, if you really want to see the processes forked into the background and not associated with a TTY, for that there is ps t -
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21:32<miticko>i would really like for the process not to fork into the backround
21:32<s_i_m>why? =)
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21:32<miticko>debugging
21:33<miticko>its a bot, and for some stupid odd reason it wont start on its configs.
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21:37<miticko>s_i_m, to make a dir so all users can access it is chmod 777 /dir/path -R right?
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21:38<s_i_m>that will change also the rights to the files in that dir and subdirs recursively
21:38<s_i_m>for example, it will mark all stuff exec
21:39<miticko>I need to make it so that all users can access the data in a dir
21:39<s_i_m>well, you know better what you need ;)
21:40<miticko>yes but i am also noob and not know what i am doing anymore xD
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22:54<lfaraone>Nebular: /sys/fs/fuse/connections isn't mounted, and running modprobe -vr fuse returns "root@GPLHost:xen02.node3318.gplhost.com>_ ~# modprobe -vr fuseFATAL: Module fuse is in use."
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23:06<lfaraone>so yeah... it still hates me.
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23:24<kingsley>Is there a command line too that plays .wav and .mp3 files? If so, what is it?
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23:37<ring0>kingsley, moc
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23:54<lfaraone>kingsley: also, mplayer
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