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---Logopened Sat Apr 28 00:00:03 2012
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00:18<Ariii>Hi! I'm trying to install AmiWM for Squeeze on PowerPC, but I can't find the package. Do I have to use a different package manager or use X11 or something?
00:19<Ariii>By the way, AmiWM is a window manager that imitates the Amiga Workstation.
00:20<craigevil>,versions amiwm
00:20<judd>Package: amiwm on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.20.48-7.1; squeeze/non-free: 0.20.48-7.1; sid/non-free: 0.20.48-8; wheezy/non-free: 0.20.48-8
00:20<craigevil>Ariii, make sure you have non-free in your sources.list
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00:22<Ariii>Where can I find sources.list?
00:24<craigevil> /etc/apt/sources.list just add non-free to the debian line,apt-get update, apt-get install amiwm
00:26<Ariii>Okay, I'm about to try it. Thanks!
00:31<Ariii>What do you mean by the Debian line?
00:33<Ariii>I have the files up, at least.
00:34<Ariii>Any help? Sorry, I'm like clueless with it.
00:37<scientes>what is amiwm?
00:37*scientes read context
00:39<Ariii>Yeah, I didn't have non-free enabled. Here's what mine looks like:
00:40<Ariii>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates main
00:40<Ariii>deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates main
00:40<craigevil>amiwm - The Amiga look alike window manager
00:41<Ariii>And then the last two are:
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00:41<Guest2027>hey
00:41<Ariii>deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
00:41<Guest2027>anyone know what repository I need to add to get firefox?
00:41<Guest2027>I hate iceweasel
00:41<craigevil>Ariii, need a line that has deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
00:42<Guest2027>its strangely slow and the keyboard shortcuts are different
00:42<craigevil>Guest2024, update it from backports or mozilla.debian.net
00:42<Ariii>craigevil: I'll try that.
00:42<craigevil>whoops Guest2027 ^, or download Firefox from Mozilla
00:43<Guest2027>how do I update from backports?
00:43<Guest2027>also, why is /msg nickserv identify <nickname> not giving me a nick?
00:44<kop>Guest2027: backports.debian.org has instructions
00:44<craigevil>if you registered a username and password its /msg nickserv identify password
00:44<taffit>Guest2027: In Debian, firefox is renamed as iceweasel
00:45<Guest2027>taffit: then how come the keyboard shortcuts don't work?
00:46<Guest2027>ctrl tab does not move between the tabs
00:47<Guest2027>how do I register a nick?
00:47<taffit>works for me
00:47<chealer>Guest2027: it does here (wheezy). although I didn't expect it to, it didn't in KDE 3, but not KDE 4 doesn't grab Ctrl+tab
00:47<chealer>s/not/now/
00:48<chealer>Guest2027: anyway, I got used to use Ctrl+Page Up/Down instead. Ctrl+Page Up does require one less keystroke than Ctrl+Shift+Tab
00:48<craigevil>ctrl+tab works in sid on kde4 with iceweasel 10.0.4esr and with iceweasel 12 from exp
00:50<Guest2027>chealer: I liked being about to do it with one hand
00:51<chealer>Guest2027: yeah, well if you have 2 fingers on your right hand, that shouldn't be too hard
00:51<Guest2027>chealer: lol touche
00:52<kop>chealer: That's what all the emacs people say, the vi folks have different opinions about key-chords. ;-)
00:53<freedom>anbe, thanks for your help.
00:54<craigevil>ctrl+tab works in iceweasel
00:55<chealer>kop: ah. I never had the curiosity to try Emacs, I stick to Debian (and vi, when I have to)
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00:56<kop>chealer: You need a reason. I just decided I should do irc in emacs so I can use familiar keys to navigate channels, search history, etc. (I'm just exicted, not trying to push anything.)
00:57<kop>chealer: However, I'm too lazy to close my irssi windows at the moment. :-)
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00:58<chealer>kop: eh. you mean because you can set which keystrokes change channels?
00:59<kop>chealer: Because the usual keystrokes for switching between files switch channels, and there's similar intuitive mappings for other things you'd commonly do.
01:05<Ariii>It worked:)
01:05<kop>!next
01:05<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
01:07<Ariii>No!!! Now it says 'cannot connect to X server'. What do I do???
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01:08<Ariii>Oh, sorry, I disconnected. If anybody responded, can they sway that again? Sorry :(.
01:09<kop>Ariii: You can't run X as root, are you trying that?
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01:10<Ariii>Yeah...
01:10<kop>Ariii: Don't do that. :-)
01:10<Ariii>It says: (Not sure if I said it before) Cannot connect to X Server.
01:11<kop>Ariii: You can't run X as root.
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01:11<Ariii>It can't do that as a normal account either.
01:11<kop>Ariii: That's a problem.
01:11<kop>Ariii: You've xserver-xorg installed?
01:11<Ariii>I'll see.
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01:13<Ariii>I found out that I don't, and I'm installing it right now to see if it works.
01:15<kop>Ariii: There's a way to install fewer packages. IIRC xserver-xorg installs all the drivers for all the video hardware. If you're being chincy with disk space you may not want everything.
01:15<Ariii>Do I have to have x11?
01:16<kop>Ariii: No. But then you don't have any gui.
01:16<kop>Ariii: (I take that back, there's ways to do things in the framebuffer. I'm not sure of the point.)
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01:17<Ariii>I have the package completely installed and it still doesn't work. Is there anything else I should try, and was I supposed to install the other package before I did AmiWM?
01:18<Ariii>I meant, AmiWM was the window manager I was using.
01:18<kop>Ariii: Shouldn't matter. How are you starting it? People usually use a <dm>. You may want to install something like slim.
01:18<Ariii>what's a <dm>
01:18<kop>Ariii: You want a gui login screen? Then install slim (or xdm, gdm3, kdm etc.)
01:18<kop>!dm
01:18<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the Debian Multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>.
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01:19<Ariii>Oh, I just typed in amiwm. Should that work?
01:19<craigevil>no try startx
01:19<Ariii>Okay.
01:20<chealer>kop: oh. well Ctrl+ ,/. works in both Konversation and Konqueror
01:20*kop thinks he probably wants slim, sooner or later.
01:20<Ariii>I just typed that in and it said that the command wasn't found. I'll try slim.
01:21<Ariii>Is slikm compatible with any window manager?
01:21<Ariii>Sorry, I meant slim.
01:23<libert_>need a help?
01:23<libert_>I can not hear music on websites
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01:28<rolltide86>anyone on
01:28<Ariii>I installed slim and typed it in, and got a black screen. And now on rebooting, I'm still getting one. Is my computer bricked?
01:28<Ariii>And I'm on.
01:29<libert_>não consigo ouvir musicas em sites alguem sabe me ajudar ?[
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01:29<rolltide86>need someone to help with apt-build bug .seems impossible to install or remove
01:29<rolltide86>debian 6.0.4
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01:30<rolltide86>N: Ignoring file 'apt-build' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension
01:30<rolltide86>also cannot access /ect/apt from root terminal
01:30<rolltide86>only access home folder
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01:39<rolltide86>anyone talking
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01:47<china_guang>My Xchat can't connect any server.how can I do for it
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01:58<ivo888>Hi
01:58<ivo888>can somebody help me with cbw
01:59<ivo888>cbq. i have 1 working shaper for download, but i make second shaper for upload, but it doesn`t work
01:59<ivo888>here is what i have: http://paste.debian.net/166033/
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02:02<supersemko>hi guys
02:02<supersemko>i'm currently using nvidia drivers. how can i revert back to nouveau?
02:04<supersemko>or vesa or nv
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02:05<brutal_chaos>Is there something like http://live.debian.net/ but for making custom Debian installer media?
02:06<chealer>supersemko: you need to change X's configuration
02:07<chealer>doing something opposite to http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configure_X_to_use_the_nvidia_driver
02:09<supersemko>chealer: yeah but i wish they also explained how to revert back
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02:15<bndk>i've recently installed debian with lxde. i also installed firefox on this system. my problem is that it seems to be something wrong with flash. i can barely play youtube videos, soundcloud doesn't work when hitting the play button, and grooveshark.com gives me an flash error. any idea on why this is happening?
02:16<bndk>.
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02:18<dba>brutal_chaos: live-build does allow you to create installer cds as well
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02:33<brutal_chaos>dba: oh? i guess i skipped over it in the manual then...
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04:07<yuyu>大家好、
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04:09<Rydekull>嘿,这是一个英语的唯一通道
04:09<Rydekull>!zn
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04:10<Guest2027>why does this command return an empty file? sed 's/checkbox/radio/g' deletethis.html > deletethis.html
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04:12<Guest2027>how do I register a nick?
04:12<scientes>Guest2027, /msg nickserv help
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04:12<Guest2027>scientes: nothing happens?
04:12<scientes>Guest2027, use -i to sed
04:13<scientes>Guest2027, no nickserv responded, you just dont know how to see it in your irc client
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04:13<Guest2027>scientes: I don't understand. I'm in irssi but I can't get nickserv to respond
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04:14<scientes>Guest2027, no nickserv responds, i use xchat, never used irssi so i dont know what to tell you on how to use it
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04:14<Guest2027>scientes: ok thanks
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04:15<Guest2027>scientes: I'll check out #irssi in a bit
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04:23<boddwin>Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening wherever you may all be at this time. Could anyone help me with a problem i have getting my wireless on my acer aspire 5000 laptop working under Debian? If not could I be pointed in the right direction please?
04:24<nevyn>boddwin: what wifi card is it?
04:24<nevyn>(lspci|lsusb)
04:24<boddwin>broadcom bcm4318
04:25<nevyn>!bcm4319
04:25<nevyn>!bcm4318
04:25<dpkg>b43 is a driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net.
04:25<nevyn>!b43-fwcutter
04:25<dpkg>b43-fwcutter is a tool to extract version 4 and 3 firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers, for use by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers respectively. Packaged in <contrib>, see http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy for further details. Squeeze and wheezy users: the b43-fwcutter package does not download firmware, install the relevant installer package ("apt-cache search firmware-b43").
04:25<nevyn>boddwin: ^^
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04:26<nevyn>boddwin: does that make sense?
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04:27<boddwin>ah i see, so i need to use b43-fwcutter... I was trying to install the driver fromthe files i have downloaded from broadcoms site myself
04:28<nevyn>well it will be possible to replicate the softwares functionality by hand but it's almost certainly not an effective use of your time.
04:29<boddwin>i've tried getting it all set up the easy way using synaptic package manager but nothing i need seems to be available in there :s
04:30<boddwin>So i'm assuming i need to get b43-fwcutter and use that to extract the firmware from the file i have downloaded from broadcoms site?doesthatsound right?
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04:45<nevyn>boddwin: make sure in synaptic -> repositories you have contrib enabled.
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04:46<boddwin>ok will do, thanks nevyn
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04:53<adrian15>I have a debian live cd. I install chpasswd on it. Can I use that for changing passwords on a hard disk's partition Debian system? And for other Gnu/Linux systems? Thank you.
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04:54<nevyn>adrian15: yes. but why would you want to?
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04:55<adrian15>nevyn: It's for Rescatux project. Trying to make a GUI for changing user passwords. All the examples I find imply that you run chpasswd from chroot instead from the live cd itself.
04:55<nevyn>you do have to run it in a chroot
04:56<nevyn>unless you were to mount the host system and build your own stuff to parse modify and writeback passwd and shadow
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04:56<adrian15>nevyn: So that means that user has to have internet connection just in case .... yes.... that's what I'm looking for... some quite of workaround
04:56<nevyn>huh?
04:57<nevyn>why does a user need an internet connection?
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04:57<adrian15>nevyn: To install the package where chpasswd executable is found. Unless it comes by default.
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04:58<adrian15>nevyn: It seems that there's a --root option for chpasswd which uses files from chroot_dir. I think I will give a try to that.
04:59<nevyn>you're making a gui to do this
04:59<adrian15>nevyn: Yeah, that's it.
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05:00<nevyn>so are you just running system passwd?
05:00<nevyn>what about where the password isn't local.
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05:01<adrian15>nevyn: Well... I think that I won't support to change non-local passwords then.
05:01<nevyn>what if it's in ldap?
05:01<nevyn>or samba
05:02<nevyn>or any of the many other valid configurations.
05:02<nevyn>or in mysql
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05:02<nevyn>"resetting passwords" looks like an easy problem for about 30 seconds
05:02<adrian15>nevyn: You mean I need to know if a password is ldap/samba/mysql to warn the user to overwrite it or not ? How would I go into doing that ?
05:02<nevyn>well it depends
05:03<adrian15>nevyn: Parsing some pam files, perhaps?
05:03<nevyn>using the system calls that use pam to do it.
05:03<adrian15>nevyn: The toom is mainly aimed to normal users which have just forgot their password.
05:03<adrian15>*tool
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05:04<nevyn>but booting to a recovery shell and running passwd root is too hard?
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05:04<adrian15>nevyn: Hummm... Can you even change ldap/samba/mysql passwords if you don't know the old password ? Thinking about ldap mainly.
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05:06<nevyn>absolutely
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05:07<adrian15>nevyn: I absolutely means: Yes you can: But you have to be in the ldap server, isn't it ?
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05:10<nevyn>no.
05:10<nevyn>you need credentials that can write to that object in the ldap server.
05:11<adrian15>nevyn: I will stick to local passwords then.
05:12<adrian15>nevyn: About being difficult or not... or the gui... http://www.supergrubdisk.org/rescatux/ . I try to make easier rescue tasks that usually involve a live cd and probably a chroot session.
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05:13<nevyn>but why do you need a livecd for this?
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05:13<nevyn>I've never used a livecd and lost passowrds more times than I'd like to admit :)
05:14<adrian15>nevyn: Do you mean a live cd instead of an installation disk? Because of the gui (lxde) which it is currently based on pyqt.
05:16<adrian15>I have another question related to chpasswd. In the old times there were no shadow file. Everything went into a single passwd file. Can I trust that current chpasswd in Debian with deal with such kind of systems?
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05:18<nevyn>there is no chpasswd
05:19<nevyn>the command you're looking for is: passwd
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05:19<nevyn>no I lie there is a chpasswd
05:19<nevyn>I just have never used it ;)
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05:21<adrian15>nevyn: Thank you for your help on the ldap side. I'll need to document that ldap (and so on) is not supported. Another day I will come here for the sudoers recovery option :).
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05:30<boddwin>hi nevyn
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05:31<boddwin>i've managed to get fwcutter installed
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05:31<boddwin>but now i'm stuck using it
05:32<boddwin>the info on the website from the link you posted simply says that a PCI ID check will be performed
05:33<boddwin>but there doesnt seem to be a way of getting fw cutter to run and do its thing
05:33<boddwin>so ive tried using terminal
05:35<boddwin>and got as far as trying to get it to extract and write firmware to DIR but i keep getting access denied error.. Any ideas?
05:35<nevyn>you did install it with apt.
05:35<nevyn>right?
05:35<boddwin>no
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05:35<nevyn>no?
05:35<boddwin>i used synaptic
05:35<nevyn>ok.
05:35<nevyn>that uses apt.
05:36<nevyn>well libapt
05:37<boddwin>should i be able to run it using nautilus or something or is that wrong?
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05:38<nevyn>that's unlikely to work
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05:39<nevyn>boddwin: did you read these directions? http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy
05:40<nevyn>in particular the bit where you install the package "firmware-b43-installer"
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05:40<nevyn>you can do this from synaptic
05:40<boddwin>i once managed to get the wireless device working in ubuntu but cant seem to dothe same in Debian... Guess i'm still a bit new to Linux. I'll chck the directions on that site and see how i get on. Thanks for your help again nevyn
05:41<s_i_m>boddwin, the package b43-fwcutter should have downloaded the firmware at the time of installation
05:41<s_i_m>if all went right
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05:41<boddwin>ah ok
05:41<boddwin>i'll check and maybe do a reboot
05:41<gsimmons>s_i_m: No, that functionality was replaced by the firmware-b43*-installer packages as of Squeeze.
05:41<s_i_m>ah, ok
05:42<s_i_m>than boddwin should also install that
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05:42<nevyn>so for a 4318 based card he needs firmeware-b43-installer
05:43<boddwin>i've probably just missed something i'll re trace my steps and make sure ive got firmware-b43-installer
05:43<nevyn>boddwin: you can install that in synaptic
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05:43<boddwin>ok cool, thank you
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05:51<boddwin>ok i've looked in synaptic and i have both firmware-b43-installerand fw-cutter installed
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05:51<nevyn>ok.
05:52<s_i_m>boddwin, try modprobe -r b43; modprobe b43
05:52<s_i_m>as root
05:52<nevyn>or just reboot.
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05:53<boddwin>ok, i'll try rebooting first and then if that doesnt work i will return as i'm unsure how to run as root
05:53<boddwin>2 secs
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06:03<boddwin>hi again, i've rebooted. wireless still not workinng :( interesting thing though is that i didnt notice any b43 error messages at boot
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06:04<boddwin>also the wireless light comes on very briefly when i press the button which it didnt used to..
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06:06<Guest2045>hi,the debian6.0 make my laptop can not choice system win7 and linux,somebody nice help me
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06:07<M-T>Hello everybody, I looking for somebody who can help me with remote X display via ssh. I'm using a triple screen setup with AMD driver on the local host and a standard setup with a hardware display connected on the remote host. I unfortunately get always the message display not found ... :(
06:07<M-T>PLS help ... :)
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06:08<M-T>... sorry with no hardware display connected ... :)
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06:10<Guest2045>every time when i turn on pc,it comes out the BIOS like window,and want me to choice where do i want to start with,the DD,the CD,the USB,the LAN,all of them happened after my installing the debian6.0 happly. How could the happen,help?
06:10<M-T>I connect via ssh from local to remote with switch -Y and or -X then I export my display local IP:0.0 and then I try to start for example xterm but I always get "(gadmin-proftpd:2475): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:".
06:11<s_i_m>boddwin, what su -c 'rfkill list' does tell you?
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06:12<s_i_m>Guest2003, you mean, even if you select hard drive boot you cannot boot anywhere?
06:12<M-T>I connect via ssh from local to remote with switch -Y and or -X then I export my display local IP:0.0 and then I try to start for example sudo gadmin-proftpd but I always get "(gadmin-proftpd:2475): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:". (same error when I start xterm and or other progs).
06:12<s_i_m>oops
06:13<s_i_m>Guest2045, I mean
06:13<Guest2045>yes
06:13<s_i_m>bad
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06:13<Guest2045>it is
06:13<Guest2045><s_i_m>so,what can i do
06:13<s_i_m>you need to reinstall the bootloader
06:13<Guest2045><s_i_m> now,iam using the live cd
06:14<Guest2045><s_i_m> how?
06:14<Guest2045>can u show me step by step
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06:14<s_i_m>is that Debian LiveCD you are on now?
06:15<Guest2045>no,debian can not
06:15<Guest2045><s_i_m> the ubuntu
06:15<Guest2045>you u got a good idear
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06:16<Guest2045>some one help?
06:16<s_i_m>you need to do sudo grub-install /dev/XXX where XXX is the name of your hdd
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06:17<s_i_m>Guest2045, check this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
06:17<Guest2045><s_i_m> I got two os,the win7 is in sda0,the linux is in sda10,which one do u mean
06:18<Guest2045><s_i_m>yes,I have had it
06:18<s_i_m>/dev/sda
06:18<Guest2045><s_i_m>are u sure it is the win7's data place?
06:19<Guest2045><s_i_m>why not choice the linux's zone,the sda10?
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06:21<s_i_m>Guest2045, your problem is that your master boot record is broken. grub-install /dev/sda will recover it.
06:21<s_i_m>but in any case if you can backup your data first you MUST do it
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06:24<Guest2045><s_i_m>what's this?
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06:24<M-T>Hello everybody, would like to have help on remote x displaying! Is there anybody with good knowledge about this?
06:24<s_i_m>Guest2045, what's what?
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06:25<nevyn>M-T: it's a horrible bad idea. unless you use ssh forwarding
06:25<Guest2045><s_i_m> the flash(....)which u have send,I can not get it
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06:25<s_i_m>M-T, you may use vncviewer + x11vnc
06:25<nevyn>which makes it A> Easy and B> secure
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06:26<nevyn>vnc is just as bad as raw X
06:26<M-T>Both systems are debian ...
06:26<nevyn>imho
06:26<nevyn>M-T: so from the system with the Xserver running do ssh -
06:26<nevyn>M-T: so from the system with the Xserver running do ssh -CX systemyouwanttorunappon
06:26<nevyn>then run an X11 app
06:26<M-T>I connect via ssh from local to remote with switch -Y and or -X then I export my display local IP:0.0 and then I try to start for example sudo gadmin-proftpd but I always get "(gadmin-proftpd:2475): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:". (same error when I start xterm and or other progs).
06:27<nevyn>don't do the export display sutff.
06:27<M-T>I'll try now with -CX ...
06:27<nevyn>ssh -X takes care of setting DISPLAY for you
06:27<nevyn>don't mess it up by trying to futz with it yourself.
06:27<s_i_m>Guest2045, I recommend you ask a friend who is more experienced to help you directly
06:28<nevyn>also check on the remote that sshd_config has AllowX11Forwarding Yes
06:28<nevyn>if it doesn't configure it so and restart sshd
06:28<valdyn>M-T: one easy workaround for your problem is to use the sudo elsewhere: "sudo ssh root@remotehost"
06:28<nevyn>valdyn: wtf?
06:28<valdyn>M-T: however for that to work you need root login enabled
06:28<valdyn>nevyn: maybe you scroll up read what he wants to do before wtfing me
06:29<movl>X as root is bad regardless
06:29<valdyn>M-T: i mean "sudo ssh -X root@remotehost"
06:29<M-T>OK, fellers ... the -C switch seemed to work it out ... I'm going to read some stuff now about it ... thanks for now to all of you :-D
06:29<nevyn>valdyn: where does he mention root at all?
06:30<nevyn>M-T: -C just enables compression
06:30<nevyn>-X on it's own would work just as well
06:30<nevyn>the problem was you were messing up $DISPLAY
06:30<valdyn>nevyn: he wants to run remote gadmin-proftpd as root
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06:30<M-T>I tried with -X earlier today but without success ... !!!??? mmhhh
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06:31<valdyn>M-T: your "error" is fixed by what i just suggested
06:31<nevyn>M-T: try again (humor me.
06:31<valdyn>M-T: -C has nothing to do with it
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06:32<nevyn>valdyn: does sudo pass the magic cookie?
06:32<boddwin>hi again nevynn & s_i_m, sorry to be a pain but i tried modprobe and i just get command not found any ideas?
06:32<valdyn>nevyn: yea, but not for all use cases
06:33<M-T>I only can say thats true ... but I was lazy and have not documented all of my steps so I might have changed something I don't remember right now!
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06:34<nevyn>valdyn: not when I test it.
06:34<nevyn>sudo xeyes fails.
06:34<valdyn>nevyn: over remote?
06:34<nevyn>local
06:34<valdyn>nevyn: it works fine, your sudo is broken
06:34<nevyn>but sudo ssh -X root@localhost xeyes fails too..
06:35<valdyn>nevyn: or your sudo setup maybe
06:35<valdyn>nevyn: i cannot say how you broke that
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06:35<nevyn>ah my sudoers has env_reset (which is default)
06:35<nevyn>which will drop DISPLAY from the caller
06:36<valdyn>ah, the "new" default I think
06:36<nevyn>ootb.
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06:37<Nezin>So, Using unetbootin, I made an installation USB for debian, using the DVD-iso (AMD64) upon bootup and selecting it as what I want to boot from, I get an error, Bootmgr could not be found Ctrl-Alt-Del to restart
06:38<Nezin>any way to fix this?
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06:39<M-T>Ok, so far I tried now "ssh -X myserver" - after connection I tried just "xterm" - this worked - after this I tried sudo gadmin-proftp - I got the program started but no exported to my display -
06:39<nevyn>Nezin: did you try to boot from "usb hard disk"
06:40<valdyn>M-T: "sudo ssh root@remotehost gadmin-proftp"
06:40<nevyn>Nezin: download cd1 or the netinst cd and dd it to the usb key?
06:40<M-T>root 2878 0.0 0.1 4488 1408 pts/0 T 12:33 0:00 sudo gadmin-proftp
06:40<babilen>!tell Nezin -about usb install
06:40<nevyn>M-T: right and I'm happy it works for you...
06:40<M-T><valdyn> I will try ... :)
06:40<nevyn>M-T: however this is not reliable with the current default config of sudoers.
06:40<babilen>Nezin: Try to reproduce the issue without unetbootin (unetbootin seems to be broken)
06:42<Nezin>nevyn: I cannot use a CD or a DVD, as my Tablet/laptop hybrid does not have one, and yes, I did boot directly from it, my bios allows me too.
06:42<nevyn>Nezin: right. this is how I installed my last machine
06:42<nevyn>download iso
06:42<nevyn>dd iso to usb key
06:42<nevyn>boot usb key
06:42<babilen>cp/cat works too
06:43<nevyn>right...
06:43<taffit>Nezin: why use unetbootin? didn't dd work?
06:43*nevyn just gravitates to dd for no good reason when dealing with disk images.
06:44<M-T><valdyn><nevyn> This worked "sudo ssh -CX root@10.121.3.5 gadmin-proftpd"! But why do you sudo ssh, thats sound wired to me!?
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06:44<Nezin_>Sorry, back, DC'd
06:44<taffit>Nezin: why use unetbootin? didn't dd work?
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06:45<abrotman>unetbootin rarely works
06:45<taffit>If it doesn't work, another method is described in the installation guide
06:45<Nezin_>unetbooting was what was first reccomended to me, and so, now I need to go find out about dd, using windows 7.
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06:45<nevyn>cp.
06:45<nevyn>well in windows.. eek.
06:45<taffit>(where “it” is the dd method method pointed yesterday”)
06:45<babilen>Nezin: Have you read the factoid dpkg (our bot) told you about some minutes ago in a private message?
06:46<Nezin_>yes I did
06:46<Nezin_>It said x86, I assume it also means x64 systems aswell?
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06:47<M-T><valdyn> <nevyn> So "ssh -CX root@myserverip gadmin-proftpd"! This is the right command ;) ... thanks for your help
06:47<nevyn>M-T: that will always work.
06:47<babilen>Nezin: Yes -- I was primarily referring to the image writer for MS Windows linked therein. IIRC you have to rename the .iso to .img though as Windows is a bit, well, picky when it comes to file extensions.
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06:49<M-T><nevyn> I only meant the there is no sudo needed. This is also not a good idea from a security perspective. Ofcourse also ssh login via root not but I guess I have to find there fore another solution. Do you know one?
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06:51<Nezin_>babilen: Thank you, I will give it a try
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06:52<nevyn>M-T: it's not worth optimising. have a ssh-key with a forced command if you want ssh accross as a normal user then sudo if you want.
06:57<M-T><nevyn> I wished that would work right away ... :-D ... this is what I get :( ... "sudo gadmin-proftpd
06:57<M-T>X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
06:57<M-T>(gadmin-proftpd:3049): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:10.0
06:57<M-T>"
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06:59<M-T><nevyn> I wished that would work right away ... :-D ... this is what I get :( ... "sudo gadmin-proftpd
06:59<M-T> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
06:59<M-T> (gadmin-proftpd:3049): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:10.0
06:59<M-T> "
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07:00<gnugr>M-T:use http://paste.debian.net
07:00<Nezin>M-T: or /msg dpkg paste
07:00<M-T><gnugr> I will do next time ... sry
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07:01<gnugr>M-T:or max 2 lines
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07:01<M-T><gnugr> thx, for the info.
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07:02<nevyn>right. this is what I was saying about sudo NOT passing X display credentials
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07:03<nevyn>just ssh across to root.
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07:07<Nezin>babilen: After I use this to write the .iso to my USB drive, will I be able to format it and use it again after I am done using it as my instilation medium?
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07:07<s_i_m>Nezin, sure you will.
07:08<Nezin>alright.
07:08<s_i_m>you can format it later with msdosfs tools
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07:44<firdaus>what is sqlite manager on Debian
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07:51<M-T><firdaus> You could try Tora
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07:52<firdaus>M-T: oke
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07:53<M-T><firdaus> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/tora
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07:58<Nezin>well, thanks to the help of many people, I now have debian installed onto a 100gb partition on my tablet, all I have left is to figure out how to get the wireless internet working :)
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08:01<s_i_m_>Nezin, congrats! Regarding wireless: is the interface listed in ifconfig -a?
08:02<s_i_m_>or iwconfig
08:03<s_i_m_>or iw dev
08:04<Nezin>I don't know, I will find out.
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08:10<Nezin>What do I have to run in console again?
08:11<s_i_m_>become root and do ifconfig -a
08:11<s_i_m_>or iwconfig
08:11<s_i_m_>or iw dev
08:11<s_i_m_>and see the output
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08:14<Junkatron>hey guys
08:14<Junkatron>I can't do make
08:14<Junkatron>bash: make: command not found
08:14<themill>!b-e Junkatron
08:14<dpkg>Junkatron: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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08:14<kiindeer>hello
08:14<Junkatron>okay
08:15<s_i_m_>Nezin, you can run these commands as a normal user too if you add the full path like /sbin/ifconfig -a
08:15<Nezin>s_i_m_ I do have a wlan0
08:15<kiindeer>como te llamas?
08:15<kiindeer>en spains
08:15<kiindeer>plis
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08:16<WizardNumberNext>!es kiindeer
08:16<dpkg>kiindeer: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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08:17<Junkatron>thanks
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08:18<s_i_m_>Nezin, can you see your AP in the output of iwlist wlan0 scanning ?
08:18<s_i_m_>(three last words)
08:19<Nezin>http://pastebin.com/v8J2DKRn
08:20<s_i_m_>Nezin, that is ok
08:20<s_i_m_>now check iwlist wlan0 scanning
08:21<Nezin>Interface dpesm't support scanning : Network is down
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08:23<s_i_m_>Nezin, ifconfig wlan0 up
08:24<s_i_m_>and after that do iwlist wlan0 scanning
08:25<Nezin>when trying to do ifconfig wlan0 up, I get No such file or directory
08:26<s_i_m_>err
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08:27<TheCrittaC>Nezin, you need to run it as root.
08:27<TheCrittaC>If it still doesn't do it, do sudo /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 up
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08:27<s_i_m_>he did that already, i hope
08:28<s_i_m_>he was able to run it once
08:28<TheCrittaC>Oh, okay.
08:28<s_i_m_>but actually, the error message will be different
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08:28<TheCrittaC>Yeah, it would be command not found.
08:29<s_i_m_>typically, it is command not found
08:29<Nezin>SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
08:30<s_i_m_>Nezin, your wlan card probably needs firmware. check dmesg output
08:30<s_i_m_>run dmesg
08:31<Nezin>alright, after running that, GNOME terminal manual opened
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08:32<s_i_m_>err
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08:32<Nezin>sorry if I am being frustrating, brand new to all of this
08:32<s_i_m_>Nezin, that command should give lots of text in the terminal window
08:32<Nezin>yeah
08:32<s_i_m_>you should look for the last messages
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08:33<Nezin>A large number of them have a firmware file req failed : -2
08:33<s_i_m_>i see
08:33<Nezin>Could not read microcode: -2
08:33<s_i_m_>what is the hardware?
08:34<Nezin>iwlwifi-6000
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08:35<s_i_m_>Nezin, apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
08:36<Nezin>Unable to locat package firmware-iwlwifi
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08:36<s_i_m_>ah, of course
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08:37<ProgVal>Nezin: do you have the non-free repository enabled?
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08:37<Nezin>No clue, let me find out.
08:37<s_i_m_>ProgVal, he probably has no inet on the tablet
08:38<s_i_m_>he installed from an iso
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08:38<Nezin>I am fine with uninstalling and getting what I need to do a net inst
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08:39<s_i_m_>Nezin, that will not work without wireless i guess ;)
08:39<Nezin>Probally not.
08:40<s_i_m_>do we ship firmware on a CD? anyone?
08:40<s_i_m_>it was so long time ago when I used any CDs...
08:40<Nezin>If I can find it online, I can put it on a thumbdrive.
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08:41<s_i_m_>basically, you can download the package manually
08:41<s_i_m_>one sec
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08:42<s_i_m_>Nezin, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-iwlwifi
08:42<s_i_m_>Nezin, you installed squeeze?
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08:42<babilen>I did not follow the discussion but: It should be straightforward to download the firmware-iwlwifi package from http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-iwlwifi, put it on a thumb drive and install it with "dpkg -i". If that is not an option there are netinstall images with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image), but those can't connect to WPA* encrypted wifi networks. If the latter is needed one has to use a kmuto image (/msg dpkg kmuto) that ...
08:43<babilen>... includes a newer debian-installer, kernel and firmware.
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08:45<babilen>Nezin: Could you run "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and give me the pciid? (should be the alphanumerical identifier at the end (like [4242:cafe]))
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08:46<WizardNumberNext>Nezin, if it is really iwl-6000, then you should see 8086 there - this is for intel
08:46<Nezin>Ethernet controller = [8086:10ea]
08:46<Nezin>Network controller = [8086:4239]
08:46<babilen>,pciid 8086:10ea
08:46<judd>[8086:10ea] is '82577LM Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10ea
08:47<babilen>,pciid 8086:4239
08:47<judd>[8086:4239] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6200' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4239 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
08:47<Nezin>yep.
08:47<babilen>Nezin: Thanks. Can you connect via ethernet?
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08:51<Nezin>Lets see
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08:52<s_i_m_>Nezin, if you can, you can add the repositories and do apt-get install directly
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08:53<Nezin>Alright, It is working, so I will do apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
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08:54<s_i_m>Nezin, you will still need to add the repositories first, I guess
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08:58<s_i_m>Nezin, in your /etc/apt/sources.list file you should have a line like this: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib
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08:58<Nezin>ok.
08:58<s_i_m>Nezin, the important thing is "non-free" there
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08:59<babilen>!make squeeze sources.list
08:59<dpkg>A suitable sources.list for squeeze would have three lines: "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" and "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main". Duplicate lines with "deb-src" instead of "deb" if you want to be able to retrieve the source packages; add "contrib non-free" if you want <contrib> and <non-free> package to be available too.
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09:00<s_i_m>Nezin, after making sure you have it do apt-get update
09:00<babilen>Nezin: Paste your attempt to http://paste.debian.net if you are unsure. Note that you have to run "apt-get update" before you can install the package with "apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi" -- Once you've done that you have to reload the wifi module with "modprobe -r iwlagn ; modprobe iwlagn". That will load the firmware.
09:01<babilen>Nezin: You should be able to see that it loaded it when you run "dmesg|tail -n23" and your wifi adaptor should be working.
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09:01<s_i_m>exactly ;)
09:01<Nezin>I am thankful for the help, so, one last stupid question
09:01<Nezin>How do I edit sources.list, because It will not allow me
09:02<s_i_m>Nezin, become root as you did before
09:04<babilen>Nezin: ... which can be done by running "su -" and entering the root password you configured earlier. I would recommend to install "sudo" and add your user to the "sudo" group with "adduser $YOURUSERNAME sudo" -- that allows you to acquire superuser privileges quite easily as your normal user. (You have to relogin for this to take affect)
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09:14<Nezin>And volia, internets that are wireless
09:14<Nezin>I really do appricieate it guys :D
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09:16<s_i_m>Nezin, you are welcome
09:17<Nezin>thank you :)
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09:19<babilen>Nezin: Hooray! You did it! Enjoy your wireless freedom and have a nice day :)
09:19<Nezin>babilen: Thanks!
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09:20<Nezin>uhoh, new problem
09:21<s_i_m>what problem?
09:21<Nezin>It wants me to give it my install DVD
09:22<s_i_m>ah, that is easy. comment out its line in /etc/apt/sources.list with an #
09:22<s_i_m>and do an apt-get update
09:22<Nezin>Alright, and now its working again
09:22<Nezin>Thank you s_i_m
09:22<s_i_m>for nothing
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09:56<sIMson>hey guys, a short question: I'm running openbox and I want nautilus to server as my desktop
09:56<sIMson>when i simply launch the command "nautilus" the desktop, background, etc. do appear, but also a file manager window pops up
09:57<sIMson>can't google it, since most people want the opposite = launch nautilus without icons, wallpaper, etc.
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09:58<abrotman>sIMson: they're the same .. just close the window
09:58<bluenemo>hi guys. the /boot partition basicly only has to be mounted when you update-grub or update-initramfs (or update kernel :) right? can it be left unmounted during the rest of the time?
09:58<sIMson>do you know any way to launch nautilus so that it only shows the desktop and wallpaper without having to close a file manager window?
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10:01<sIMson>closing the damn home directory window every time Openbox starts is kinda annoying
10:01<abrotman>eh .. when i used it, didn't do that .. i wonder if it's not saving your nautilus session
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10:01<saep>nautilus -n
10:02<abrotman>sIMson: -no-default-window ?
10:02<sIMson>oh, thanks
10:02<abrotman>the man page mentions that
10:02<sIMson>rtfm, fail me :|
10:02<sIMson>anyway, thanks a lot
10:03<sIMson>perfect, works like a charm
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10:04<abrotman>not even a big man page! :)
10:04<sIMson>yeh, I've been trying to google it up completely ignoring the good ol' man
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10:04<sIMson>have you guys heard that Steam is coming to Linux btw?
10:05<abrotman>believe it when we see it
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10:05<sIMson>true that, though I love Gabe's attitude towards Windows 8
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10:09<Nemoder>I wouldn't mind steam for linux as long as they don't do anything too evil like require a proprietary kernel module
10:09<Poenikatu>what is steam?
10:09<sIMson>I don't think anything like this would be needed
10:12<Nemoder>I like desura's method better having a completely open source client. In the end it comes down to the games but if a game is released on both services I'd prefer to buy it on desura
10:12<sis>?
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10:13<sIMson>it sure is, but lack of Steam on Linux is one of the things that still makes me dual-boot with Windows
10:13<sney>Poenikatu, a content distribution system.
10:13<sIMson>I'm really glad to see it finally coming
10:13<sIMson>mainly for games, but not only
10:13<sney>native game support will be nice too.
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10:14<sIMson>I'm afraid they won't release Source SDK for Mac/Linux anyway, and that's what I'd like to see most
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10:15<sIMson>http://cspromod.com/ I'm a beta tester here
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10:18<DaveNull>hi... am i the only one to have pb with security.debian.org ?
10:19<sIMson>what do you mean exactly?
10:19<sIMson>404?
10:19<DaveNull>i get : [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f)] ... then a loooooooong lag
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10:20<sIMson>are you trying to do a dist-upgrade?
10:20<DaveNull>yep
10:20<DaveNull>i'm on testing, btw
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10:20<sIMson>same here
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10:20<sIMson>hold on, I'll try doing the same since it's high time
10:21<angel>olaa
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10:21<sIMson>nope, running fine
10:21<sIMson>which mirror are you using atm?
10:21<angel>que tal
10:21<babilen>!es-social angel
10:21<dpkg>angel: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
10:21<angel>qqquwwwweeeuuee
10:21<angel>ubvf
10:21<angel>fdvd
10:21<angel>vdgr
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10:22<abrotman>hehe
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10:24<DaveNull>sIMson, i'm using security.debian.org
10:24<sIMson>ok, I'll check my sources.list
10:25<sIMson>the same and it works fine
10:25<babilen>sIMson: Is this on stable?
10:25<sIMson><DaveNull> i'm on testing, btw
10:25<sIMson>* snifers opuścił/a czat ()
10:25<sIMson><sIMson> same here
10:26<sIMson>and dist upgrade has just started installing packages here
10:26<babilen>Ok -- Seen that on sid. It seems that it is rather a problem with ipv4/ipv6 that crept in in one of the last apt updates. Check the BTS for applicable bugs - I'd like to note that #debian-next is our channel for testing/unstable support.
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10:27<sIMson>ok, so this one is rather for stable?
10:27<babilen>The http transport seem to hang at random points and tries to resolve/contact a IPv6 address.
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10:28<babilen>sIMson: What do you mean by "this one is rather for stable" ? In a way you don't need security repositories for testing anyway as it receives no security support whatsoever at the moment.
10:28<sIMson>I mean this channel
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10:29<babilen>sIMson: Not strictly, but "rather" captures it quite well :)
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10:30<sIMson>ok :)
10:31<abrotman>sIMson: you can ask in either place, just depends who is around in this channel if you get an answer ..
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10:33<DrOwl_U5_>hi all, is there a way to make less (or some other app) page through input automaticly
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10:33<DrOwl_U5_>eg display 1 page at a time every second, with out needing a manual next key perssing
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10:43<kop>DrOwl_U5_: What are you really trying to do?
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10:46<sIMson>ok, thanks abrotman
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10:47<DrOwl_U5_>kop: i have a window open greping through some proc stats in a loop, they page of the screen as its a long list
10:48<DrOwl_U5_>i can pipe they through less of course but then i need to kit a key to get to the next page
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10:48<DrOwl_U5_>they/them
10:49<DrOwl_U5_>id like the out put to scroll at a speed i can read
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10:49<DrOwl_U5_>but automaticly without my interaction
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10:50<kop>DrOwl_U5_: Write a little script that reads n lines at a time and then sleeps, and exits when done.
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10:51<kop>DrOwl_U5_: Possibly <debtags> would be useful to search for something pre-packaged, but sounds pretty specialized.
10:51<abrotman>man tail, see -s
10:51<abrotman>maybe
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10:52<DrOwl_U5_>=) i was hopeing some one may of done this before
10:52<babilen>s/of/have
10:52<s_i_m>cat /var/log/syslog | while read a; do echo "$a"; sleep 0.1; done :-)
10:52<DrOwl_U5_>but i must say i have been a unix eng for >10 years and never wanted to do this before ;)
10:53<DrOwl_U5_>arrr nice ideas i shall go play =)
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10:55<bluenemo>hi guys. the /boot partition basicly only has to be mounted when you update-grub or update-initramfs (or update kernel :) right? can it be left unmounted during the rest of the time?
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10:56<DaveNull>bluenemo, yes
10:56<bluenemo>DaveNull, thank you
10:56<valdyn>bluenemo: or when theres a new grub package
10:57<bluenemo>then its basicly possible to have your system on a disk drive that doesnt even have the luks header on it (only the crypted data), booting via a usb key
10:57<bluenemo>ah yes, thanks
10:57<bluenemo>when sbd looks at the plain hdd (without the usb key) it looks like a freshly shredded drive :)
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11:13<M-T>Hello everybody, would like to install a package from testing on my stable system. Is there a easy way of doing this or is there a manual you can recommend?
11:14<sney>!ssb
11:14<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
11:14<sney>M-T, ^ this is pretty much the only way to do it without introducing dependency hell.
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11:15<M-T><sney> <dpkg> What means under 2) (see <bdo>)?
11:16<themill>M-T: it means you should "/msg dpkg bdo"
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11:17<babilen>M-T: Which package is it?
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11:20<M-T><babilen> I wish to document my stuff better then I did in the past and "Zim" seems to be a good solution together with "Git" ....
11:21<M-T><babilen> But of course I would like to use the newer version because of functionality ...
11:21<babilen>,checkbackport zim
11:21<judd>Backporting package zim in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze.
11:21<babilen>M-T: Just asking because of ^^^
11:22<M-T>Np, there might be somebody thinking about a alternative of Zim ...!?
11:23<babilen>M-T: zim looks nice -- You might like ikiwiki as well if you prefer CLI programs or are already quite at home in vim/emacs. org-mode on emacs is certainly an option as well.
11:23<M-T>... what I very much like is the concept of text files ....
11:23<M-T>... of using textfiles ;)
11:24<M-T>I putted everything in the past in test files but now its just a mess ... hehe
11:25<babilen>Sure, you have that with ikiwiki and org-mode. Not saying that they are the best solution, but rather the first two tools that popped into my mind :)
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11:26<M-T>Thanks for your help :-D
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11:28<Samkov>anyone a wxcam user? I just got it compiled and it records perfect but will not record any sound, their forums are awful with feedback so i figured maybe someone here could point me in the right direction?
11:28<babilen>Samkov: Which package is it from? I can't quite find it in Debian right now :-/
11:29<Samkov>ya know it is not even a debian package, it was suggested to me in the foums though way back
11:30<Samkov>i was looking for a cheese alternative because it crashes upon video recording
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11:43<s_i_m>Samkov, VLC can capture and encode video from a v4l device
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11:44<Samkov>what about audio at the same time?
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11:45<s_i_m>yes, i think it captures audio too
11:46<s_i_m>let me check
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11:52<cerengul>hi
11:52<sney>hi.
11:52<cerengul>where are you
11:52<cerengul>sney
11:52<sney>earth
11:52<cerengul>:)
11:53<cerengul>country or city
11:53<gnugr>island
11:53<cerengul>oooo
11:53<sney>this is the support channel for debian users. do you have a debian question, cerengul?
11:53<cerengul>i like north europe
11:54<cerengul>sorry
11:54<sney>for chat you can try #moocows
11:54<cerengul>ı didn't know
11:54<cerengul>it's ok
11:54<cerengul>thanks
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11:55<s_i_m>Samkov, forget that suggestion: you will lose more time configuring vlc than doing anything helpful
11:55<gnugr>s_i_m:right, waste time i tried too
11:56<Samkov>:/
11:57<gnugr>maybe vlc works on a laptop
11:57<sney>there's a security camera system called zoneminder that iirc supports sound and video from usb cameras, it might be overkill for what you're doing though
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11:58<Samkov>yeah i am just looking for something to make some home videos for youtube or fb
11:58<sney>cheese shouldn't be crashing if you're on stable.
11:58<kop>Samkov: You could try using the <debtags> package to search. (I have no better suggestion, sorry.)
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12:01<s_i_m>well, mplayer can save a video stream, but I am not sure about audio
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12:08<nevyn>Samkov: have a look at kdenlive
12:08<nevyn>or if you want a 800lb gorilla of NLE there's cinelerra
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12:10<dosht>hi, how can i change system wide proxy settings?
12:11<nevyn>dosht: with some difficulty.
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12:13<dosht><nevyn> i'm writing an application and want to change proxy settings used by chrome, opera .. etc
12:14<dosht>i can do it from the ui in gnome3, but i don't know which file it changes
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12:25<nevyn>it changes stuff in the gconf db most likely
12:25<nevyn>but apps don't have to look at it.
12:26<nevyn>and I'd be surprised if things like wget do.
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12:37<dosht>i think i can use gconftool-2 --set
12:38<dosht>but it's for gnome only :(
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12:43<nevyn>right.
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12:56<ironman>what is the topuc
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14:02<BlackDragon42>Hello.
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14:04<Osiris_X>Hi BlackDragon42
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14:04<freko28>hi all
14:04<BlackDragon42>How's everyone today?
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14:04<BlackDragon42>Hi freko28.
14:04<Osiris_X>fabulous
14:06<BlackDragon42>Same here. Just cold and gray outside where I'm at.
14:06<Osiris_X>BlackDragon42: you must be in London lol
14:06<BlackDragon42>Nope. Michigan.
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14:07<BlackDragon42>I'm outside right now.
14:07<gnugr>you can join #debian-offtopic for just tall
14:07<Osiris_X>Well London's the same at the moment, I sure hope things improve for the OLympics
14:07<Osiris_X>fair point gnugr
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14:08<BlackDragon42>Yeah.
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14:09<BlackDragon42>So, to get on topic... What do you think about Squeeze?
14:09<Osiris_X>BlackDragon42: I'm using wheezy with a dash of sid
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14:11<BlackDragon42>Ohh... Any stability issues? Is it a working system?
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14:13<Osiris_X>BlackDragon42: I have had no stability issues, there are one or two minor bugs to be fixed, but the system works like a dream - thus I imagine Squeeze is at least as stable (probably more so) just without some of the later versions of software that I want to use
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14:15<BlackDragon42>I do enjoy Squeeze. I haven't had any major stability issues yet.
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14:19<BlackDragon42>Do you think there are improvements to be made?
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14:21<Osiris_X>BlackDragon42: I don't know of anything that can't be improved upon
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14:23<BlackDragon42>I have been using Debian for many years.
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14:23<BlackDragon42>My favorite distro by far.
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14:32<diffy>Hi I have a LUKS question: How can I add a key to an encrypted root partition so that I can boot without having to enter a passphrase?
14:33<s_i_m>diffy, what is the point of encryption then?
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14:34<BlackDragon42>Exactly.
14:34<gnugr>tamiko:what is you prob?
14:34<tamiko>gnugr: -EWRONGCHANNEL was my prob ;-), sorry for the noise.
14:35<BlackDragon42>That's okay.
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14:43<diffy>s_i_m: I agree with you, but I still need the security for when the machine is powered_OFF_ and drives are pulled out
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14:44<diffy>s_I_M: and because I am always on the other side of the planet, I cannot enter the password. I gave up dropbear/luks password entering after 10 hours of trying didn't work
14:45<diffy>ah forget it. I thought this would be a great chan#
14:45<diffy>hitting EF-NET instead
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14:45<s_i_m>heh
14:45<s_i_m>sensitive guy
14:45<saep>what's the point in encrypting the system partition anyway? :O
14:45<BlackDragon42>???
14:45<BlackDragon42>Security.
14:46<retrospectacus>security of what? Anything interesting should be in /home
14:46<saep>why would i care, if my precompiled debian binaries are encrypted?
14:46<nevyn>saep: impersonation of a production system. other keys that could grant access to other systems in the environment
14:47<BlackDragon42>It's an additional security layer.
14:48<s_i_m>saep, there are some sensitive data in /etc/ or /var/ for example
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14:50<BlackDragon42>I'd say /etc and /var should really be encrypted. You can get a lot of info just from config files.
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14:51<s_i_m>or from the content of /var/log
14:51<bluenemo>do you know how to set a monitor wallpaper only for one screen on the command line? the tool 'nitrogen' can do this but apparently only via the gui.
14:54<s_i_m>the oldest utility of this kind is probably xsetroot, if I understood your question right
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14:54<s_i_m>and there are many others
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14:55<BlackDragon42>Good ol' xsetroot...
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14:57<bluenemo>hm with xsetroot -display, does it mean the monitors or the xserver (like another one on crtl alt F8 for example)
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15:01<aaron>hi
15:01<BlackDragon42>Hello.
15:01<s_i_m>bluenemo, that can specify the xserver and the screen, the same as DISPLAY env var
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15:04<bluenemo>s_i_m, ok i managed to set a wallpaper (also with -display working) but what i'd like to do is set a wallpaper for each monitor inidvidually (like the tool nitrogen does), i only need it on the command line :)
15:04<raffaele>hi
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15:08<BlackDragon42>bluenemo: Why do you need to do this via the command line?
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15:09<bluenemo>because i have a shell script that used to get random images from my images folder and than give the name to feh. i want my wallpapers to change every 20 min's or so. btw, google for national geographic wallpapers, the're awesome :)
15:09<s_i_m>bluenemo, I guess, all depends on your X configuration. For example, in TwinView mode in nvidia drivers the physical displays form a single logical screen but in xinerama it is different.
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15:11<bluenemo>ah ok. well seems like i have a night of x11 digging ahead :)
15:11<s_i_m>but tell me one thing
15:12<s_i_m>now the image appears on the displays split in two?
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15:12<bluenemo>with nitrogen they appear one image per display. its quite easy to use (the gui)
15:13<bluenemo>however this feature is not available on the command line of nitrogen.
15:13<s_i_m>how do they appear if you set it with feH?
15:13<s_i_m>feh*
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15:14<bluenemo>i've got one centered, one on top and one left, feh scales over all three monitors (leaving some space unseen where a fourth monitor could sit on the right top)
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15:16<bluenemo>hm looks like it kills the stuff running on x as well m)
15:16<s_i_m>bluenemo, with a little thinking and scripting around imagemagic you may prepare one big image from a few smaller ones and use it as the bg
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15:17<bluenemo>i thought about that as well but it occured to me that the 'cleaner' version would be the way nitrogen does the job.
15:18<bluenemo>i think i'll dig a bit around in the source code or so, see if i can find some way somehow :) if the gui can do this, so can i via command line (given some time ;)
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15:19<bluenemo>ok i g2g guys cu
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16:09<kusanagi>im a little confused... i want apt to auto update and to autodownload packages... should i remove comments from /etc/cron.daily/apt or add lines to /etc/apt/conf.d/50unnatended
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16:11<ivo888>Hi, can somebody help me with cbq
16:11<heikkila>not before you told us your problem
16:11<ivo888>i have working shaper for download speed. now i try to make shaper for upload
16:11<ivo888>but he doesn`t work.
16:11<ivo888>here is the situation :)
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16:12<ivo888>http://paste.debian.net/166033/
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16:12<ivo888>if you need something else please ask me :)
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16:18<kingsley>Why would certain data in a pdf file look differently when a.) normally rendered by the pdf viewer named "evince", b.) after being highlighted in evince and the mouse's pointer is moved outside of evince's X window, and c.) when pasted into an xterm running bash.
16:19<kingsley>I'm seeing a.) "-1.1", b.) "- >" and c.) "21.1".
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16:35<Justty>hi
16:35<Justty>i have problem with libgtk 2 dev in debian squeeze
16:35<Justty>i cant install
16:38<sney_>Justty: what have you tried
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16:38<sney_>judd: versions libgtk2.0-dev
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16:38<judd>Package: libgtk2.0-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.18.6-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.20.1-2; sid: 2.24.10-1; wheezy: 2.24.10-1
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16:42<Justty>i can't install libgtk2-dev
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16:43<sney_>the package name is libgtk2.0-dev
16:43<Justty>yes
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16:43<Justty>I have unmet dependencies problems
16:44<sney_>!bat
16:44<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
16:46<Ariii>Sorry, but I think this is my last question about, this... I installed AmiWM on top of the command line after installing Xorg and it gave me a black screen upon doing startx. Am I missing any packages?
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16:47<Justty>ok
16:47<sney_>Ariii: probably. anything weird in your xorg.0.log?
16:48<Ariii>I'll check it after trying xinit amiwm.
16:48<Justty>here my problem http://paste.debian.net/166255/
16:48<BlackDragon42>Are you using apt-get?
16:48<Ariii>BlackDragon42: Yeah.
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16:49<BlackDragon42>Hmm.
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16:51<Ariii>Sorry, this might take some time, since I had to reboot after being unable to get out of the black screen.
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16:52<BlackDragon42>You can't switch virtual consoles or anything?
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16:53<Ariii>Nope. It didn't let me.
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16:53<Ariii>I'm using Debian Squeeze PowerPC, by the way.
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16:55<Ariii>What should I look for in the logs? I only installed Xorg and then AmiWM.
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16:55<Ariii>Should I so anything else?
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16:57<Drain>hi anybody here
16:57<Ariii>It couldn't find the font /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic . Should I look for that?
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16:57<Drain>can tell me about upgrade sources.lists in my debian squezy
16:57<Ariii>I mean't does it need that font?
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16:58<Ariii>Drain: Here's a link for a page on it. If it doesn't help, you cant ask me:
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16:59<Drain>Ariii, nice but what do you recomend me whezy or squezy?
16:59<Ariii>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html
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16:59<Ariii>I just upgraded from Wheezy to Squeezy, and it runs perfectly fine on my Clamshell iBook.
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17:00<Drain>good dude
17:00<Drain>thanks for ur help!
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17:00<Ariii>I didn't notice much of a performance difference, but I had better support for packages in Squeeze.
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17:01<scientes>if my caps lock light is out of sync with caps lock, how do i fix it?
17:01<Drain>good, can see youtube and stuff like that on the net with ur debian?
17:01<sney_>!squeezy
17:01<dpkg>Debian 6.0 <stable> is codenamed <squeeze>. The current <testing> distribution, which will be released as Debian 7.0, is codenamed <wheezy>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze".
17:01<scientes>oh it seems to have resolved itsself pP0
17:01<scientes>oO0
17:01<Ariii>Oh... I just did the command-line install.
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17:06<Ariii>Oh, sorry if I mentioned this before (Not sure), but the logs kept on saying "Not using default mode" when it talks about my screen size, and then it does it until it gets to 800x600 and then it goes on normally until it goes on to this line: (II) AIGLX
17:06<Ariii>Sorry, I posted part of the wrong line. I'll post it now:
17:07<Ariii>(II) GLX: Initialized DRIZWRAST GL Provider for screen 0
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17:08<Ariii>And then it keeps on saying this line:
17:09<Ariii>I meant group of lines, sorry.
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17:12<Ariii>(EE) R128(0): R128CCEWaitForIdle: CCE idle -9 ****Then this line:***** (EE) R128(0): Idle timed out, resetting engine... ***Then this line:***** (EE) R128(0): R128CCEWaitForIdle: CCE stop -9 ***Then this line:**** (EE) R128(0): R128CCEWaitForIdle: CCE start -9
17:12<Ariii>Sorry, the group of things showed up as smileys when I said them.
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17:14<Ariii>And it repeats for a really, really long time until it's over (That's when I shut down, I think.) What should I do???
17:14<scientes>what programs can list the stats from the cpuidle driver (instead of cpufreq)?
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17:26<Drain>Ariii, in the end of the process the apt shows me this why
17:26<Drain>## Debian Squeeze sources.list
17:26<Drain>## Debian security updates:
17:26<Drain>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates contrib
17:26<Drain>## Debian.org:
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17:26<Drain>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
17:26<Drain>lol im sorry wrong paste
17:27<Ariii>Here, I'll show you mine:
17:27<Ariii>I mean, my sources.list
17:28<Drain>allright show me
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17:29<ryao>Has anyone built FreeBSD's btxld on Linux?
17:29<Ariii>(It might take some time because I can't copy/paste.)
17:29<Drain>hehehe
17:29<ryao>Ariii: Use screen.
17:29<Drain>take ur time dude i need help
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17:29<Drain>ryanc_, ajejejejje
17:30<Ariii># deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main
17:30<ryao>Where do the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD developers hang out?
17:31<Ariii>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
17:31<scientes>#debian-kbsd ryanc_
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17:31<scientes>ryao, ^
17:31<Ariii>deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
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17:32<ryao>scientes: Thanks.
17:32<Ariii>deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
17:32<scientes>Ariii, what is the roblem?
17:33<ryao>scientes: Is that the developer channel?
17:33<scientes>ryanc_, yes
17:33<Drain>scientes, its for me dude
17:33<scientes>!paste
17:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>.
17:33<Drain>Ariii, put my querys if you want it 'private message'
17:33<ryanc_>tab complete fail
17:33<Ariii>scientes: Oh, sorry! I was showing Drain my sources.list because he was having problems with his.
17:33<scientes>ryanc_, sorry
17:34<Ariii>Oh? They'res a private message one??? Sorry!
17:34<scientes>Drain, oh why dont you just paste yours
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17:35<Drain>scientes, because is crap
17:35<scientes>Drain, all you need is deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ squeeze main
17:35<scientes>that is all you really need at all
17:35<dvs>didnt you forget "debian"?
17:36<scientes>oh yeah
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17:36<scientes>Drain, all you need is deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main
17:36<Drain>sure>
17:36<Drain>sure>
17:36<Drain>?
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17:37<scientes>that includes security updates too
17:37<scientes>just not quite as quick
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17:38<babilen>!tell Drain -about make squeeze sources.list
17:38<Drain>i need to make a update to the whole machine
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17:38<scientes>Drain, from lenny?
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17:39<Drain>squezy
17:39<scientes>oh for security updates
17:39<scientes>that line will work fine
17:40<Drain>nice scientes
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17:40<babilen>Drain: There is no "squezy" -- What are you trying to do?
17:40<Drain>how i can update the custom softwares of debian like web browsers and things like that
17:41<Drain>babilen, that update the softwares because i cant see youtube things like that lol
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17:42<babilen>What? Could you please paste the output of the following commands to http://paste.debian.net ? "find /etc/apt/-name '*.list' -printf "\n:\n" -exec cat {} \;" and "cat /etc/debian_version" and "apt-cache policy"
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17:42<josephseraos>Hi, what's the best way to crypt files or folders on Debian?
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17:43<perlwizard>for one file, you can use gpg
17:44<babilen>!tell josephseraos -about encrypt
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17:53<josephseraos>babilen, Thanks. I have a question. the '!tell' you sent me showed me a link. it means that all my partition will use cryptography? If I want just crypt one folder?
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17:57<babilen>josephseraos: You probably want to ask dpkg (our bot) about all the other things in <..> for other solutions. In particular ecryptfs, encfs and gpg. (/msg dpkg encfs)
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18:00<josephseraos>babilen, Ok, now I understood how use dpkg user, thank you
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18:03<ol3>hi guys
18:03<ol3>i need some information about lubuntu and eclipse..
18:03<ol3>cah u help mè??
18:03<perlwizard>where's debian in that
18:03<babilen>!ubuntuirc
18:03<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
18:04<babilen>ol3: Try ^^^
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18:04<ol3>thank's a lot ^_^
18:04<ol3>bye
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18:05<sean>if im trying to learn linux with the aim of becoming a sys admin, would it be better to stick with debian squeeze or can I use a derivative, like crunchbang
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18:06<babilen>sean: Shouldn't matter much, but I doubt that you find many shops that run crunchbang on their boxes. Why not Debian in the first place?
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18:08<sney_>so many choices these days
18:08<sean>babilen: Yea I figured that...the reason I'm running #! right now is mostly a resource issue. Squeeze would constantly change brightness when switching windows as well..
18:09<sney_>there's nothing crunchbang can do that you can't also do in debian. if you want to learn, teach yourself to solve the little annoyances you find
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18:11<grove>sean: I agree with babilen, the basic laerning you can do on pretty much any distro, but for a sysadmin job you will need some distro specific knowledge, and on that account debian is one of the best choices
18:11<elops>Anyone here uses screen? you shouldn't need screen -U if wherever you run screen from has locale set up correctly (to en_US.UTF-8 or the like ?
18:12<elops>my understanding is you don't need "defutf8 on" if the locale you launch screen from is set up correctly ?
18:12<grove>sean: brightness changes when switching windows sounds like a window manager issue, that should be tweakable - never experienced it myself thouh (I use xfce)
18:13<ryao>sean: You might find Gentoo enlightening. It will teach you plenty of things that Debian likely would not.
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18:13<heks>looking at pages of scrolling compiler output is not teaching anyone anything
18:14<ryao>heks: Having to partition your disks and use a commandline does. :)
18:14<sean>grove: Yea that's what I was thinking. I've narrowed it down after distro hopping for a while, and I like debian a lot as well as it's stability and reputation. I was using XFCE when I experienced the window switching thing, and I checked the brightness setting but it never moved up or down when it was switching.
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18:14<sean>ryao: I've heard about gentoo being helpful, but I've also heard that it takes ages to set up?
18:14<ryao>heks: Linux From Scratch might be even more enlightening than Gentoo, although package managers are nice...
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18:15<ryao>sean: I switched from Windows to Gentoo directly. I had no Linux knowledge and it took me a week to figure things out. The installation procedure was a teaching experience in itself.
18:16<ryao>s/teaching/learning/
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18:16<ryao>Then figuring out what packages I needed was also quite enlightening. I learned quite a bit about which components did what.
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18:16<ryao>And what the filesystem hierachy was like.
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18:17<ryao>Kernel compilation was the hardest and it taught me quite a bit about how Linux works inside.
18:17<Cor3>ryao: still using it, or switched to debian?
18:17<ryao>Cor3: I still use it.
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18:18<ryao>In fact, I have been hacking on it almost continuously for 4 months. I am working on ZFS support. :)
18:18<sean>hmmm
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18:20<ryao>Since I stuck with it, I eventually learned more useful programs like screen and ssh, as well as some tricks to parallelize compilation (e.g. MAKEOPTS). They made Gentoo much easier to install and maintain.
18:24<safinaskar>ryao: respect
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18:26<scientes>when you upgrade and the new files have exactly the same hashes, does dpkg still churn the disk?
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18:32<sion>привет
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18:33<sion>anybody here?
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18:34<Osiris_X>yes Sion
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18:35<sean>I also experienced the brightness changing in gnome...could it be my monitor? crunchbang is clear and stagnant, but debian would be blurry in some windows and change the brightness.
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18:47<perlwizard>what would be the preferred way to set custom system-wide environment variables in Debian?
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18:47<perlwizard>/etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc is what I'm thinking about but is there a better way
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18:54<KZKG^Gaara>Hello.
18:55<KZKG^Gaara>I'm having a problem with shell_exec and apache ...
18:55<KZKG^Gaara>In my log of apache2, show this issue: shell_exec() has been disabled for security reasons
18:56<KZKG^Gaara>I already delete "shell_exec" from the list of modules disables on: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini ... but I still have the same problem
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18:56<KZKG^Gaara>Could anybody please help me
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18:58<s_i_m>KZKG^Gaara, which version of php?
18:59<KZKG^Gaara>s_i_m: PHP v5.3.3-7+squeeze3
18:59<scientes>if i have a shitty bios that interrupts my usb keyboard keystroaks
18:59<scientes>what do i do
18:59<KZKG^Gaara>s_i_m: Thanks :D
18:59<scientes>i tried hibernating, and then not having it plugged in while startig back up
18:59<scientes>GUUJGJKLSDGKLJSDG[l'
19:00<scientes>gd this pissed me off
19:00<scientes>damn SMIs
19:00<s_i_m>KZKG^Gaara, it is too early to thank me. Is safe mode enabled by any chance?
19:00<KZKG^Gaara>Nop, is disabled
19:01<KZKG^Gaara>By the way... sorry for my english, it's not my primary language
19:01<KZKG^Gaara>Thanks for the answer, for trying to help me, that's what I meant :D
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19:08<s_i_m>KZKG^Gaara, have you restarted apache after changes in the ini file?
19:10<KZKG^Gaara>Yes, 2 times
19:10<KZKG^Gaara>reload and restart ... but nothing
19:10<perlwizard>maybe some kind of caching is at play ?
19:10<perlwizard>server side or client side
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19:12<KZKG^Gaara>I dont think so :( .... because I dont have any cache system
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19:18<ivanel>ola
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19:19<ivanel>olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
19:19<babilen>!es-social ivanel
19:19<dpkg>ivanel: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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19:23<ivanXD>olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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19:52<Ariii>Hi! I know I posted this before (Didn't get an answer back yet), but I installed Xorg and then AmiWM and then got a black screen right when I booted. The logs went normally until it showed this:
19:52<Ariii>^^^^Sorry, not when I booted, but when I ran startx
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19:58<Ariii>Actually my computer has been frozen ever since I tried to open the log. Any suggestions?
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20:10<brian>yo
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20:10<brian>ubuntu-studio
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20:11<sney>!ubuntuirc brian
20:11<dpkg>brian: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
20:12<brian>hey
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20:28<jony121>hello debfolk, anyone home?
20:28<Ariii>I am! :)
20:29<sney>hi
20:29<dvs>zzzzzzz
20:29<jony121>:D
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20:29<Ariii>I think I just might have to give up on the WM thing.... is there any really lightweight WM for Debian?
20:30<sney>wmaker
20:30<dvs>xfce
20:30<jony121>I assume you are all employed experts, yes?
20:30<jony121>fvwm
20:30<sney>jony121, well, we're not paid to give support here.
20:31<jony121>so your slaves!
20:31<sney>volunteers
20:31<jony121>:0
20:31<jony121>oh
20:31<Ariii>Ohh... for WM's, is it any different installing it? I know it's not the same for using it, at least.
20:32<jony121>Can anyone give me a forum to ask a Debian related question? Specifically it's a kernel related problem.
20:32<sney>Ariii, at least in the case of the example I gave, it's just 'aptitude install wmaker'
20:32<sney>jony121, you can ask your question here.
20:32<Ariii>Oh! I guess it won't really be
20:33<jony121>mmm, I think it might be a tad lengthy for chat
20:33<Ariii>posible to install AmiWM, then.
20:33<sney>Ariii, it really sounds like you have an xorg issue or maybe a driver issue, so switching window managers won't help
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20:33<sney>!tell jony121 -about forum
20:34<sney>jony121, check your messages.
20:34<Ariii>Oh, I just get a black screen, so yeah.
20:34<jony121>haha, cool thanks
20:34<sney>Ariii, what video hardware?
20:34<Ariii>sney: There's debianhelp.org but people rarely go on there, for purely support.
20:35<Ariii>sney: I have a 800x600 screen and it worked fine with OSX, OS 9, and MintPPC Linux.
20:35<sney>hmm, powerpc. o
20:35<Ariii>Should I look up the logic board?
20:36<Ariii>Oh, it's a Clamshell iBook, by the way.
20:37<jony121>those are sexy, nice choice
20:37<sney>hmm, internet says that's an ati rage. should be supported
20:38<sney>Ariii, if you can get to a console, what's the output of lspci -nn |grep -i vga ?
20:38<Ariii>It works perfectly and quickly on the command line, but it said "Cannot connect to X Server."
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20:39<Ariii>sney: You mean the logs?
20:39<sney>I mean the command I just said
20:39<Ariii>Oh, sorry.
20:40<Ariii>It says I used the lspci command wrong.
20:41<sney>lspci -nn |grep -i vga
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20:42<Ariii>Oh, wait! Do you mean those as separate commands?
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20:42<jony121>space after the pipe?
20:42<sney>that's one line. grep operates on the output of lspci
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20:43<sney>no, it doesn't need a space (but you can add one if you want symmetry)
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20:45<Ariii>I posted exactly that and it say's it's wrong. I hope I don't have a problem with that, too.
20:46<sney>what is the actual output?
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20:48<Ariii>Usage: lspci [<switches>] ****After this it shows me the functions of certain commands.
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20:48<Ariii>Like: Basic display modes:
20:48<dvs>Ariii: You typed the "lspci -nn" part wrong
20:48<sney>I'm guessing you don't have network connectivity on the ibook so you're just transcribing. that's lspci then - then two of the letter 'n'
20:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 493] by debhelper
20:50<Ariii>Just lspci -nn works, but when I add lgrep, it shows me that.
20:50<sney>it's not l it's |
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20:50<dvs>Ariii: That is a pipe character, not an l
20:50<sney>shift-backslash on most ibook keyboards, if google image search is to be believed
20:51<Ariii>Oh!!!!!! Thanks! Sorry for misunderstanding. Here's what it shows:
20:53<Ariii>0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller [0030]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Rage Mobility M3 ****Next Line******* AGP 2x [1002:4c46] (rev 02}
20:53<dvs>,pciid 1002:4c46
20:53<judd>[1002:4c46] is 'Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel modules 'aty128fb', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4c46 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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20:56<sney>Ariii, if you run 'lsmod', do you see aty128fb anywhere in the list?
20:57<Ariii>Sorry, it scrolls through it too fast to read. Is there any way I can check it?
20:57*dvs hesitates to use the "lgrep" command
20:57<sney>ha!
20:57<sney>remember the pipe? you can pipe things to pagers like more or less, to make long output more manageable. like: lsmod |less
21:00<Ariii>Oh! I didn't see that!
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21:01<anon>hi
21:01<sney>hi.
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21:10<jony121>I posted on the forum, thanks for the help :D
21:10<jony121>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=78983
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21:12<Ariii>Sorry! Something unexpected came up and I had to leave right away!
21:12<sney>boss key
21:14<Ariii>Oh, did I say yet that aty128 didn
21:14<Ariii>'t show up when I did lsmod?
21:15<sney>nope. ok, as root or with sudo, run 'modprobe aty128fb'
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21:17<Ariii>Okay, I just did that.
21:17<Ariii>Should it work now?
21:17<sney>try starting X. it might work
21:17<Ariii>Okay.
21:18<Ariii>Oh.... I got the black screen again.
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21:19<Ariii>How do I close it? I can't do anything yet, and switching between tty's doesn't work.
21:19<sney>ctrl-alt-f2?
21:19<Ariii>Yeah... it stayed at the black screen.
21:20<Ariii>Should I just force powering down?
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21:20<sney>does it exit on its own eventually?
21:22<sney>if not, then yeah, force power down. interesting that it locks up completely. can you copy files from it onto a computer with internet access? I want to see that X log.
21:22<Ariii>No, it's still at the screen. Actually, I got this message in the logs that kept on repeating these couple lines that said, "Waiting for idle" or something over and over again.
21:23<Ariii>I'll try loading it onto a flash drive and then copying stuff from that.
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21:24<Ariii>Actually, I just plugged it into the Internet, but the log is so long that it takes forever to load. How do I copy it from nano?
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21:29<sney>here's a better solution: install pastebinit, then run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log -b http://paste.debian.net/'
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21:33<jony121>need sleep
21:33<jony121>good night everyone
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22:11<Ariii>Okay, I just installed it. I'll paste the code.
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22:13<Ariii>I think the log must be really, really long because it's still pasting it.
22:13<sney>yeah, the X log is not small
22:13<sney>your connection sounds a bit slow though.
22:14<Ariii>Yeah, it's surprisingly slow on my iBook, especially since it's a new router.
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22:15<Lancien>ps -e not work in debian why?
22:15<Ariii>Does pastebinit show the URL after it's done?
22:15<sney>Ariii, yes, or it'll give an id code
22:20<Ariii>Oh... it's way too long, because it gave me memory error after saying that this file was in line 2000 or something.
22:20<Ariii>Is there any way to view only the first part of a file?
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22:22<nevyn>Ariii: head?
22:22<Ariii>Oh, here are the four lines it keeps on repeating, I finally got them:
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22:25<Ariii>http://paste.debian.net/166350/
22:26<sney>Ariii, can you gzip the whole log file and upload it somewhere? that should compress it enough to move without using all of your ram
22:27<Ariii>Okay, I'll try that.
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22:28<Ariii>I only have like 192 MB of RAM, and am about to upgrade it to 512, so thanks! Where should I paste the gzipped file?
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22:29<Ariii>Oh, nevermind, here it is:
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22:30<Ariii>http://pastebin.com/1VDsKZpM
22:30<sney>hehe I wonder if I can decompress it from there
22:30<retrospectacus>heheh
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22:31<retrospectacus>wget -O- -q http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=1VDsKZpM |gunzip |less
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22:32<sney>retrospectacus, nice.
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22:34<sney>Ariii, ok, looks like a bug in the rage 128 driver. I wonder if fbdev would work
22:34<Ariii>What's fbdev?
22:35<sney>it's a different way for X to access your video hardware. it's a little slower, but you probably won't notice the difference on your ibook.
22:35<Ariii>Can I install it through apt-get?
22:36<sney>it's already installed by default, it just needs to be set up
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22:36<sney>so, run X -configure, and then open the file it creates in an editor
22:37<Ariii>Wait, you mean I just type in X -configure?
22:37<sney>yes, it'll generate an X configuration file from what it detects. if it locks up again we may need to make one from scratch.
22:38<Ariii>Thank you so much, but there was a fatal server error, which says this:
22:39<Ariii>Fatal Server Error:
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22:39<Ariii>Caught signal 7 (Bus error). Server aborting
22:39<Ariii>And before that, it says:
22:40<Ariii>Bus error at address 0x48150000
22:40<sney>do you see any lines that look kind of like (++) Using config file: "/root/xorg.conf.new"
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22:43<Ariii>It didn't even give me permission as root. o:
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22:44<zboub>coucou
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22:45<zboub>tu veut voir ma bite?
22:45<sney>!fr
22:45<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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22:46<zboub>ok
22:47<zboub>merci les zboubis !! ;P
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23:01<Ariii>Sorry, I accidentally forgot that my laptop logged out when I close it.
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23:11<Lancien>loooool Thx dpkg :D
23:11<Lancien>Cause 'im very bad At english:!*
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23:21<sney>Ariii, I realized something funny.
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23:22<Ariii>sney: Oh, what was it?
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23:22<Lancien>yes what is it! :D
23:22<sney>my best linux learning experience was on a G3-era powermac with weird hardware and no help
23:23<Lancien>i Speak to learn , learn to speek lool
23:23<sney>Ariii, so, your best hope is to disconnect from the internet and read some man pages
23:24<Ariii>sney: Oh, LOL!
23:24<Lancien>lol
23:25<Lancien>My first man ahah after installe debian : Man X
23:25<Lancien>ahah
23:25<Lancien>but Without now i think it's better (without windows manager)
23:26<Ariii>I love my G3, too, it is the coolest laptop I've ever owned :D. I got it (For only $50) after my sister spilled water on my G4 one... um, in a way.
23:26<sney>Ariii, specifically, 'man xorg.conf' - you want to set up your system to use the fbdev driver. it's all documented in there so just take your time and read through it. if you really get stuck, come back
23:26<scientes>Ariii, and debian lets you still run modern software on it :P
23:27<Ariii>sney: Oh!
23:27<sney>scientes, fsvo modern - 300ish mhz still puts a limit on that
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23:29<Ariii>scientes: I may get a 1 GHz TiBook in the near future, though. That'll probably be a really good one for Debian.
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23:47<scientes>sney, a 300 mhz PPC often runs like a 500Mhz x86
23:47<scientes>however
23:47<scientes>but yeah, i dont know why we need interfaces that eat so much performance
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