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---Logopened Tue May 01 00:00:54 2012
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00:10<Nezin>yes
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00:11<pengw>hi all
00:11<sney>hi
00:11<pengw>i try to put puppy linux onto a usb pen but dd did not work, so why?
00:12<Nemoder>!puppy linux
00:12<dpkg>Puppy Linux is a GNU/Linux mini-distribution. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.puppylinux.com/ #puppylinux on irc.freenode.net.
00:13<pengw>pappy 5.28 is based on ubuntu ban ubuntu is based on debian
00:13<pengw>so it is kind of debain
00:13<Nemoder>!ubuntu
00:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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00:14<sney>pengw, only debian is supported here. there is nothing you can say to change that. please respect our rules and go to the correct channel.
00:16<g0dfrey>Proftpd start automatic at boot time...But i have removed the links under /etc/rc2.d and /.etc.rcS.d...and also there's no related commands in rc.local...
00:16<g0dfrey>So what's the problem?
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00:17<sney>g0dfrey, could be an insserv thing, try with 'update-rc.d proftpd remove'
00:18<g0dfrey>"update-rc.d -f proftpd remove" and didn't help
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00:22<g0dfrey>Proftpd start at boot time today but it didn't start yesterday
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00:24<sney>hmm, there might be something enabled in /etc/default/proftpd but that's aberrant behaviour - it should not load at boot if removed from /etc/rc*.d
00:24<CVirus>I'm trying to switch to OpenJDK so I removed sun-java6-bin and installed icedtea6-plugin and openjdk-6-jre and openjdk-6-jdk ... but when I run this http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp "Version: Java SE 6 Update 24" ... how come ?
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00:25<sney>CVirus, it might be reporting a sun-friendly version so that applications expecting the sun jre don't have a hissy fit. what does java -version give you?
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00:27<CVirus>sney: http://pastebin.com/DMgn1qrp
00:27<bones_was_here>g0dfrey: if you look at the boot messages and see what starts before and after proftpd you can get an idea of when it starts which would help narrow it down
00:27<sney>then you're using openjdk.
00:28<CVirus>sney: thanks
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00:28<g0dfrey>sney, /etc/default/proftpd : http://paste.debian.net/plain/166772
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00:29<sney>that RUN= directive looks promising
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00:29<g0dfrey>bones_was_here, demsg now is full of martain-ip logs...
00:30<thethinker>hi all
00:30<sney>hi
00:30<bones_was_here>g0dfrey: it won't be in dmesg, that's only kernel messages
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00:31<g0dfrey>bones_was_here,so what should i do?
00:32<thethinker>does someone know how to configure geforce 540m under squeeze. I have kernel 3.2.0. I installed bumblebee and nvdia drivers but it doesn't work, and when i run apps like supertux everything keeps crashing
00:32<bones_was_here>g0dfrey: the easiest would be to change RUN= to "no" like sney said
00:32<bones_was_here>but if i were you, i'd be figuring out why removing it from rc2.d did not work, as whilst not the best way to disable a service, it should work
00:32<Lancien>!times
00:32<Lancien>!data
00:32<dpkg>well, data is Information. Any series of bits, characters or objects that has meaning. Data is stored and transmitted by computers. (see "commander data")
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00:33<sney>Lancien, you can /msg dpkg keyword instead of doing !keyword, it keeps clutter out of the channel
00:33<Lancien>sney, ok Thx & Sorry lol
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00:34<thethinker>anyone? :/
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00:34<Lancien><dpkg> are you smoking crack?, Lancien looool
00:34<sney>thethinker, bumblebee?
00:34<thethinker>yeah
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00:35<g0dfrey>If i set RUN to no,just can not start proftpd with "service" command...
00:35<thethinker>http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
00:35<Lancien>it's a great boot!
00:35<sney>oh right, optimus
00:35<Lancien>i want it in debian-fr
00:35<thethinker>i have this error
00:36<thethinker>root@debian:/home/thethinker# optirun /opt/VirtualGL/bin/glxspheres64
00:36<thethinker>[ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) Failed to load module "mouse" (module does not exist, 0)
00:36<thethinker>[ERROR]Aborting because fallback start is disabled.
00:37<XReaper>thethinker: did you try with 'optirun app'
00:37<sney>thethinker, you should probably ask in #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. it's very early software so some brokenness is to be expected
00:37<bones_was_here>g0dfrey: that's true, /etc/init.d/proftpd start probably won't work either
00:37<thethinker>thanks sney
00:37<thethinker>i try there
00:37<thethinker>:)
00:37<XReaper>Also... You need the intel drivers in your xorg conf...
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00:40<XReaper>bumblebee isn't that early... although i remember the old 'rm -rf /usr' glitch :D
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00:41<g0dfrey>bones_was_here: so entry in /etc/rc2.d/ means nothing to proftpd?
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00:44<g0dfrey>it seems that the proftpd initscript will be enabled if RUN="yes"...Should the initscript run at boot time wothout antries in rc2.d/rcS.d ?
00:44<sney>XReaper, sorry, anything past 2010 is still 'new' to most of us :)
00:44<XReaper>:D
00:44<XReaper>Well... I run arch, so its new all the tim
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00:55<bones_was_here>g0dfrey: no it should only start if there's an entry in /etc/rc*.d somewhere
00:56<bones_was_here>g0dfrey: try this... ls /etc/rc*.d | grep proftp
00:58<g0dfrey>bones_was_here : nothing
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00:59<bones_was_here>g0dfrey: ok that means you already deleted all the entries for it
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00:59<g0dfrey>there's also RUN= options in /etc/init.d/proftpd
01:00<bones_was_here>yeah that should never normally need to be edited
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01:00<bones_was_here>so if it still starts, the system has probably been modified in some way to start it by some other method (there are many)
01:00<g0dfrey>and by defaults RUN="no"
01:00<bones_was_here>does it print a message during boot about proftp?
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01:01<g0dfrey>it didn't start at boot all the times,but only few times
01:02<g0dfrey>I will pay attention at the next boot
01:02<bones_was_here>that sounds rather unusual :/
01:02<g0dfrey>yeah...
01:02<bones_was_here>perhaps it is being started by some other service or script that depends on it?
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01:04<g0dfrey>maybe,but i just can not find that service will depend on it...proftpd it started by init...
01:04<bones_was_here>may be worth searching /var/log/syslog for clues
01:04<bones_was_here>or proftpd's log, if it has one
01:04<bones_was_here>bbl
01:04<g0dfrey>i will try
01:04<g0dfrey>nothing useful in proftpd's log
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01:06<g0dfrey>and also there's nothing useful in syslog
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01:14<bones_was_here>g0dfrey: it should at least log a timestamp of when it started somewhere, so even if there's no message during boot, you can figure out if it starts early in boot, late, or several minutes after
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01:18<g0dfrey>bones_was_there: it start at the same time with rsyslogd
01:18<g0dfrey>May 1 08:03:26
01:19<bones_was_here>ah... well there's not really any logging before syslog starts, and that's relatively early in boot, so it's not some post-boot script like rc.local
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01:20<g0dfrey>http://paste.debian.net/plain/166775
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01:38<kevin__>Good morning peeps, could someone tell me how to switch active soundcards?
01:39<MTecknology>I use alsamixer
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01:48<mastroquet>kevin__: for this I use /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf --> http://paste.debian.net/166776/ (where "index=0" selects yhe active soundcard)
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01:50<kevin__>thc
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01:56<domenico>film
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01:56<Lancien>oO
01:57<Lancien>Oo
01:57<KoRn3>hehe
01:57<KoRn3>he was playing charades
01:57*KoRn3 nods
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02:48<ragnvald>hey all. I'm wanting to get my wireless working in squeeze with an acer aspire 5733z-4851
02:48<ragnvald>my internal card isn't recognized
02:49<Lancien>up here
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02:50<Lancien>ifconfig ifconfig up eth0
02:50<Lancien>iwonfig wlan0 up
02:50<ragnvald>Lancien, is that to me?
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02:50<Lancien>maybe ragnvald
02:50<ragnvald>Lancien, I have no wlan0
02:50<Lancien>you have wicd?
02:51<ragnvald>I do
02:51<Lancien>you used wicd?
02:51<ragnvald>yes
02:51<ragnvald>I need the drivers or a different kernel for this card
02:51<Lancien>open wicd
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02:51<ragnvald>ok
02:51<Lancien>setting
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02:52<Lancien>wirelesse : wlan0 if nothing
02:52<Lancien>wired eth0
02:53<ragnvald>wlan0 finds nothing
02:53<ragnvald>nothing
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02:53<asho>Hi i want to configure pam_mount for smaba cifs share
02:54<asho>but it shows the following error " root only can do that"
02:54<ragnvald>Lancien, nada
02:54<Lancien>http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
02:54<asho>normal users are not able to mount thier own home directories in the client machine
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02:55<asho>but if i use
02:55<asho>mount -t cifs //ldapserver.asdc.army.mil/Home /home/ashok15 -o username=ashok15
02:55<asho>it is properly mounting
02:55<scientes>asho, what version of debian?
02:55<asho>squeeze
02:55<ragnvald>Lancien, cool link
02:55<Lancien>;)
02:56<asho>scientes : it is squeeze
02:56<scientes>yes i see
02:56<scientes>then pam or consolekit
02:56<asho>pam_mount only i am using to configure
02:56<scientes>the standard *nix way is nfs, but you dont have that
02:57<scientes>and the way you are doing it for cifs is correct...
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02:57<asho>but in client side , i can see all the user home directories
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02:58<scientes>asho, ???
02:58<asho>if i am using the samba it is mounting the particular user home directory only
02:58<asho>yes
02:58<scientes>yes that is what you want
02:58<asho>i mounting with cifs
02:58<scientes>you cant do multi-user permissions with samba
02:58<scientes>its just not possible
02:58<scientes>so you have to do it that way
02:58<ragnvald>Lancien, my wireless driver shows up with kernel 2.6.38 but I'm running 2.6.32-5, is that why it's not working?
02:59<scientes>asho, oh btw, did you get your samba server patched with the remote root hole from a few weeks ago?
02:59<scientes>ragnvald, yes
02:59<Lancien>no ragnvald
02:59<scientes>oh wait
02:59<Lancien>me too scientes
02:59<Lancien>ok
02:59<Lancien>sorry
02:59<asho>no i didnt
02:59<scientes>!backports
02:59<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
02:59<asho>ok please provide the link
03:00<scientes>asho, you need at least version 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze7
03:00<ragnvald>scientes, Lancien so can I update my kernel in squeeze?
03:01<scientes>ragnvald, yep, install backports ^^ and then apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-[amd64|686]
03:01<asho>ok i try thank u scientes
03:01<scientes>asho, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/samba
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03:02<ragnvald>scientes, how do I install backports? and thank you :)
03:02<ragnvald>wow ok
03:03<ragnvald>scientes, thank you
03:05<asho>scientes : when i am using the command "mount -t cifs //ldapserver.asdc.army.mil/Home /home/ashok15 -o username=ashok15" it is properly mounting in the client machine.
03:05<ragnvald>too many beers. can someone explain how to install backports?
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03:05<asho>but it is not mounting through pam_mount
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03:07<scientes>ragnvald, http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/
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03:11<scientes>asho, from the error you pasted you are in the wrong context
03:11<scientes>cause mounting takes root
03:11<scientes>**except fuse
03:12<asho>i given the sudo permission to user also
03:12<asho>but it is not helping me
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03:13<scientes>eek
03:13<scientes>why dont you just put it in fstab?
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03:15<asho>because i want to mount the home directory for that user alone
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03:22<Lancien>ragnvald, it's ok ?
03:25<valdyn>asho: you can use fstab to make something user mountable
03:27<asho>how it is possible, when i login through gui, it should take username and passwd then it should get mount the samba share from the server according to the user
03:27<valdyn>!confuse asho
03:27<dpkg>Yes, where are your mushroom yesterday, asho? Breeches of the People's Republic of Mongolia with extra cream.
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03:29<asho>actualy when i login into my system, the home directory of that user should get automatically mount in the client machine . but samaba share need the username and password.
03:30<asho>so while login into the system itself i have to pass these two values
03:30<valdyn>asho: why is that a problem?
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03:30<asho>i am using pam_mount
03:30<valdyn>asho: so?
03:30<asho>but it gives the error : pam_mount(mount.c:68): mount: only root can do that
03:31<valdyn>asho: i already told you that you can use fstab to make it user mountable
03:31<asho>manually i can mount the share
03:31<asho>ok give me some example,
03:32<valdyn>asho: man mount, see the user and the users option
03:32<asho>ok
03:32<asho>thanks
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03:48<scientes>!confuse valdyn
03:48<dpkg>Yes, those are your badger today, valdyn? Breeches of the Democracy of Mongolia with extra anchovies.
03:48<scientes>lol
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04:42<marini>hi!
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04:50<marcos>joinha
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04:56<scientes>why are distributions so slow to update to new version of packages?
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04:56<scientes>why cant things go to experimental really quick, with automated scrits?
04:57*scientes would like to see lots more use of experimental
04:58<scientes>as a bonus, a packages that extensively used experimental automatically could be easily bisectable
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04:58<scientes>or is that somehow against how experimental is suppose to work?
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05:46<dejson>yo
05:47<dejson>h
05:47<dejson>test
05:47<scientes>dejson, yo
05:47<dejson>i have a problem
05:47<scientes>whatsup dawg
05:47<dejson>that drives me crazy
05:47<dejson>bought emac for mz daughter
05:47<scientes>whats ur 99 problems
05:47<dejson>and youtube
05:47<dejson>problem ofcv
05:47<dejson>ofc
05:47<dejson>mint runnning great
05:48<scientes>!mint
05:48<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
05:48<dejson>ok
05:48<dejson>point taken
05:48<dejson>srrz
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05:49<wvdakker>hi anyone know how to install an applet in Gnome3? Alt+right click doesnt seem to work
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06:13<mar3k>hi, can someone kindly tell the channel for ALSA
06:15<gnugr>mar3k: #alsa on irc.freenode.net
06:16<scientes>irc://irc.freenode.net/alsa
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06:52<s4br3>Hi, I have a file in one directory which is reported as 0 bytes and has a name full of strange symbols. I don't know what it is but I cannot seem to remove it even if I am root. The name is filled with triangles, triple dots, number, letter, and black diamonds with question marks, etc. Is there a way to get rid of it?
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07:02<DrOwl_U5_>s4br3: try using the inode to do the delete
07:04<DrOwl_U5_>s4br3: use `ls -i` and then use find to delete it
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07:06<s4br3>ls -i doesn't list it... I can see it in Dolphin, but not using ls
07:07<s4br3>The "name" begins with an open triangle pointing to the left
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07:08<DrOwl_U5_>like "<"
07:08<s4br3>No, not a "lesser than" sig, but a full triangle.
07:09<DrOwl_U5_>i see, most strange, well if ls does not see it that me stumped
07:09<s4br3>I'll try to paste it: ��R@@8@@@
07:09<s4br3>Can you see it?
07:10<DrOwl_U5_>i would only guess something strange is going on in Dolphin,
07:10<s4br3>These are the initial "characters"
07:10<DrOwl_U5_>s4br3: no just unreadable chars
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07:10<DrOwl_U5_>try renameing the file ;)
07:10<s4br3>DrOwl_U5_: I did
07:10<supaman>s4br3: just move all other content out of the dir and delete the dir
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07:10<s4br3>supaman: Thanks, I'll try that!
07:11<DrOwl_U5_>some fsckinf might help too ;)
07:11<DrOwl_U5_>fsck'ing
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07:15<s4br3>supaman: rmdir refused because of that file. rm -r dirname made it! Thanks!
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08:42<nevyn>try that ^^
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09:01<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
09:01<[HCI]Maraakate>!mintppc
09:01<dpkg>Linux MintPPC is a GNU/Linux distribution for <PowerPC> systems based on <Linux Mint> LXDE. It is not supported in #debian or #debianppc. http://mintppc.org/ #mintppc on irc.freenode.net.
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09:20<ejb>Greetings. How can I see what packages depend on another? (I want to uninstall something but I want to make sure that nothing else is depending on it)
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09:21<gdb>ejb: apt-cache depends $package_name
09:21<ejb>Thank you
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09:21<gdb>ejb: Oh, that depend on another
09:21<gdb>ejb: Well, anyway, there's that, too... apt-cache rdepends $package_name
09:21<gdb>:-)
09:22<gdb>depends will say "this package depends on these..." rdepends says "these packages depend on me..." (for those that are installed)
09:22<fixl>can anybody help me out with this -> http://pastebin.com/YLCVFmTA
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09:22<ejb>gdb: Awesome. rdepends is what I need. Now can I take that a step further and filter that list returned by rdepends down to those that are installed?
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09:24<gdb>Honestly, ejb, it may be easier to just uninstall things and see what's listed. For example: apt-get -s purge $package_name
09:24<gdb>Since you're using a command that directly acts on the installed packages, you'll get just that list.
09:24<kop>ejb: The package system should take care of everything for you, unless you've done something to break it.
09:24<gdb>The -s is --simulate -- meaning "just print what you'll do, don't really take action"
09:24<ejb>Oh, ok.
09:25<kop>ejb: Just un-install it and the unused auto-dependencies will be removed too.
09:25<kop>ejb: (However, recommended packages that were installed with the removed package won't also be removed.)
09:25<ejb>FWIW, the package I'm removing is exim... I don't need a MTA on my laptop, do I? (I use webmail)
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09:26<kop>ejb: You very likely want your computer to email you if it finds problems.
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09:26<kop>ejb: It needs an mta for that.
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09:27<s_i_m>kop, an mda is technically enough
09:27<Ruchee>hello
09:27<gdb>ejb: Yes, exim4 is installed not really to be a "mail server" but to provide a layer through which the system can communicate with you -- sudo security warnings, cron output, etc. It's also used by nifty things like logwatch (one of my favs).
09:27<s_i_m>or a minimal mta
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09:28<kop>ejb: This can be anything from cron jobs that you've scheduled to rotate logs that have some problem, to, say smartmontools monitoring of your disk drive's health.
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09:28<benjr>how can i put 2 commands into a single line, instead of ... ls >> 1.foo; mv 1.foo 2.foo ...more like ... ls >> (mv 1.foo 2.foo)
09:28<gdb>ejb: What I mean to say, that's why it's installed by default. You can, of course, use it as a full blown mail server.
09:28<fixl>anybody here to tell me what that index thing is all about? ==> http://pastebin.com/YLCVFmTA
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09:30<gdb>benjr: depends on what you want it to do :-) It's no different than a small shell script. If you want the second command to run only if the first is succesful, separate them with && -- if you want it to run only if the first fails, separate with || -- if you want the second to run regardless of what the first does, separate them with ;
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09:30<ejb>Ok, thank you for explaining that. But I feel like for my usage - laptop, on the go, not doing any serious sys admin tasks - I don't need those types of things *emailed* to me. What avenue will all of those things be communicated to me via if I uninstall exim?
09:31<kop>s_i_m: Technically, will an mda accept locally generated mail (for local-only delivery, obviously) in all the ways that local systems might generate mail?
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09:32<kop>ejb: Sometimes none. Many programs expect email availability. There _are_ logs, but there is no notification mechanisim.
09:33<ejb>kop: I don't even know where/how to configure where those email are sent
09:33<gdb>ejb: /etc/aliases
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09:33<ejb>I didn't know that this existed until I nmaped myself and saw port 25 open
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09:34<gdb>I can't recall if Debian defaults to setting up the first user to receive root email or not. But if not, you add "root: yourname" at the end of /etc/aliases and run the command (as root) "newaliases" - and that's it.
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09:34<kop>fixl: The index it's talking about are the lists of available packages. (If you have to ask that question you should not be using sid, IMO.)
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09:34<fixl>its aptosid and it is my girlfriends pc :(
09:34<ejb>gdb: so then how do I access the messages?
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09:34<kop>ejb: Open to the world or only to localhost?
09:34<gdb>ejb: Which interface did you nmap? By default, it only listens on localhost. If you nmap localhost or 127.0.0.1, you'll see it. If you nmap your public IP, it won't show up.
09:34<fixl>kop: will that go away once my mirror has synced?
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09:35<kop>fixl: If it's aptosid it's offtopic in #debian.
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09:35<gdb>ejb: The default MUA installed is mutt. I personally install alpine (pine clone) for terminal based email. The system will also include Evolution (Outlook clone) for a GUI client.
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09:35<kop>fixl: (Technically, sid itself is offtopic in #debian.)
09:35<fixl>ok. I faced a similar issue with switching sources from stable to testing a while ago
09:36<gdb>ejb: There are of course dozens of MUA (Mail User Agent -- ie; what you read it with) available. The defaults are mutt and Evolution. :-)
09:36<fixl>so i thought that might be something easy to fix now
09:36<kop>ejb: You change /etc/aliases and then run "newaliases". It'll then email to any account you like, anywhere. (Assuming you've configured your "smart relay" to your ISP's smtp server when you installed or did "dpkg-reconfigure exim4".)
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09:37<kop>ejb: So, no need to check locally delivered email if you don't deliver the email locally. Just use your regular webmail and have the emails sent there.
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09:38<gdb>I do what kop does, kinda. :-) I have both my local account and my gmail receive system email. You can do that with 2 lines in a .forward file in your home directory while having root: yourname in /etc/aliases -- basically just this
09:38<gdb>\yourname
09:38<gdb>youruser@remote.email.com
09:39<gdb>The \ is important, that says "save a local copy of all email, and also forward a copy off the system to here."
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09:39<kop>gdb: Yah. But .forward is extra complication -- you can do it all in /etc/aliases and if it's a single-user box then that's simplest.
09:39<benjr>gdb, can i add multiple do's to a for loop such as ... for i in *; do echo $i; do rm $i; done
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09:40<kop>benjr: What's inside the do is a list, so multiple commands separated by ; work. But general shell programming is not really on topic. You might try #bash on irc.freenode.net.
09:41<benjr>oh im sorry
09:41<ejb>So I haven't touched /etc/aliases ... can I access any messages that have already been sent?
09:41<gdb>benjr: Yes, you can nest for loops, and close each with a done. It's just like writing a shell script but doing it all on one line (you can, of course, do it on multiple lines just by hitting enter -- bash will continue prompting you if you've not scripted enough commands for your overall command to complete).
09:41<kop>benjr: If you're solving a debian specific problem then we can go on all day. :-)
09:42<gdb>ejb: Yes, but reading root's email. You can check if there's any to read by looking in /var/mail (with ls -l)
09:42<benjr>thanks both of you
09:42<kop>ejb: IIRC in /var/spool/mail/root. You can use "less" to see them, or an email client, or whatever.
09:42<ejb>How do I direct a client to read from there? (I got alpine)
09:42<gdb>ejb: It will do so out of the box.
09:43<kop>ejb: Your regular user account is not going to have permission to read root's email. You'll need to run it as root.
09:43<ejb>Ok, then there are no messages
09:43<ejb>I did
09:43<gdb>ejb: If you want to "forward" all of root's email to yourself after it's already been delivered, you can, as root, run this in /var/mail "cat root >> yourname" if you like.
09:43<gdb>ejb: There you go!
09:43<kop>ejb: But you can't (shouldn't) login to X as root, so "su -" and become root and then run your email client.
09:44<gdb>Note that cat statement isn't really "safe" if mail is delivered *while its running* but for your purposes, it would be fine.
09:44<ejb>kop: yeah, I was just using alpine via a root shell
09:44<gdb>it's*
09:45<kop>ejb: Ok. You're good then.
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09:45<ejb>I appreciate this outpouring of knowledge but I don't think I need this functionailty. Having no messages so far in my year-long usage of this computer indicates to me that I probably dont need exim
09:46<kop>ejb: Take a look at /var/spool/mail/ and see that all files are empty just to be sure.
09:46<ejb>Empty directory
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09:47<gdb>ejb: Sounds like you have no reason to not run "apt-get purge exim4" (it has no dependent packages installed by default).
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09:48<kop>ejb: (I always find it sane to run smartmontools to get warning of impending disk failure, via email. YMMV.)
09:48<gdb>I'm a fan (as I've said) of logwatch.
09:49<gdb>Getting a daily report every morning of various tidbits of interest.
09:50<ejb>Why purge instead of remove?
09:51<gdb>ejb: remove will leave all of the configuration in /etc. Using purge will delete everything, including configuration. The intent with remove is to allow you to reinstall the software later, preconfigured to your tastes. Since you've not changed the configuration, that doesn't matter -- you'll get the same config you have now if you install it again. So purge will more completely clean up the package as opposed to remove for you.
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09:53<ejb>gdb: good to know. I actually thought it was the other way around
09:55<gdb>ejb: Ah, looks, actually, like the configuration for exim4 is in a separate package. exim4-config
09:55<gdb>exim4 is in 4 packages by default
09:55<gdb>let me see what all that may remove
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09:56<gdb>Yes, it will remove mailx as well (I suppose it's not mutt that's the defaul) but this command will get it all
09:57<gdb>$ apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | grep exim4 | awk '{print $2}' | xargs)
09:57<gdb>The xargs isn't strictly necessary.
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09:58<gdb>$ apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{if ($2 ~/exim4/) print $2}') # this would work the same
09:58<benjr>im trying to use ffmpeg and i get "Unsupported codec for output stream", its h264, what additionla packages do i need to install to add support?
09:59<themill>.o0*( or just aptitude purge ~nexim4~i )
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10:01<gdb>themill: I always forget about that search syntax :-)
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10:01<themill>apt-get accepts package regexps too
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10:14<kop>!tell benjr about overview
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10:15<kop>benjr: You can either see the wiki referenced for useful detail or go straight to the <multimedia> factoid.
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10:40<DebianLover>does somebody know an academic acceptable documentation about Master boot sector?
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11:07<cyril>hello
11:07<cyril>i have a problem with xen
11:07<cyril>somebody can help me?
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11:30<wintellect>Are any of the gnome3 pkg maintainers here by chance?
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11:31<masando>hi, i'm installing debian and i have to choose a kernel to install
11:31<masando>what is the diff between pae and pae-dbg?
11:32<wintellect>masando: at a guess, dbg produces debugging info and additional kernel messages
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11:32<daemonkeeper>The former only.
11:32<daemonkeeper>Debug symbols for the corresponding pae kernel.
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11:32<masando>and rt?
11:33<daemonkeeper>realtime
11:33<Guest159>vasco
11:33<masando>so which one is the best choice?
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11:33<daemonkeeper>You don't want a rt kernel until you know why.
11:33<masando>3.2.0.2-rt-686-pae-dbg?
11:33<masando>ok
11:34<daemonkeeper>You don't want to install debug symbols either, unless you know why.
11:34<masando>so 3.2.0.2-rt-686-pae
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11:34<daemonkeeper>s/-rt//
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11:35<sney>also, as far as I'm aware, the testing installer can still be a little bit funky. you have been warned.
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11:37<babilen>wintellect: What would you ask them if they were?
11:37<Guest159>film
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11:37<masando>is there a good tutorial about LVM with examples?
11:38<babilen>!tell masando -about lvm
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12:24<ballison>i need some help. i was told to install a "socks proxy" on a server yet i can't find socks in the distro
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12:26<ballison>is there no socks proxy built into the OS? is dante the most popular one instead?
12:26<sney>!debtags
12:26<dpkg>debtags is, like, a way of categorising packages with tags (facets) that describe how a package can be used, what data it can read/write, what interfaces it has etc. This adds another dimension to package searching. Install the debtags package, then search either using "debtags" or "aptitude". Search (or add new tags) at http://debtags.debian.net/ . See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags or ask me about <aptitude search>.
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12:27<ballison>!socks5
12:27<dpkg>rumour has it, socks5 is at http://www.socks.nec.com/. a pain in the butt to download
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12:27<max>ciao
12:27<ballison>!socks
12:27<dpkg>SOCKS is a protocol for communication through a firewall or proxy server, using TCP/IP sockets for communication. SOCKS is supported by Navigator and Internet Explorer and allows them to communicate through proxy servers and firewalls, assuming the user has proper privileges to do so.
12:27<max>!list
12:27<dpkg>max: vede http://packages.debian.org/
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12:28<max>!list
12:28<dpkg>max: vede http://packages.debian.org/
12:28<ballison>but what is the default socks server in debian??
12:28<themill>max: no warez here
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12:28<themill>ballison: debian has "defaults" for very few things
12:28<robertf>Hello
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12:29<robertf>I've a problem with an officiel debian's public mirror
12:29<robertf>debian-security is not available at ftp.oleane.net (ftp.fr.debian.org)
12:29<ballison>themill: So what should i use for a sock's proxy? dante?
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12:30<themill>ballison: I've only ever used ssh as a socks proxy.
12:30<ballison>themill: That doesn't make sense. you'd have to open a ssh connection for each connection.
12:30<ballison>manually
12:30<themill>robertf: mirrors don't include the security repo (with one or two exceptions) -- use security.debian.org
12:30<themill>dpkg: tell robertf about make squeeze sources.list
12:31<themill>ballison: no, you open and ssh session and leave it running.
12:31<SynrG>robertf: see http://www.debian.org/security/faq#mirror
12:31<robertf>themill: yesterday debian-security was available. I always use this mirror
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12:32<SynrG>robertf: read the faq. i guess they decided to take the advice there.
12:32<themill>robertf: ftp.fr.d.o may have changed what machine is providing that service between then and now. Just use security.d.o -- there are no security "mirrors".
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12:32<robertf>ok thank you
12:32<ballison>themill: that doesn't make sense. you'd be making a tunnel TO a socks server. ssh -D 1080 server.remotehost.com just forwards localhost 1080 to the remote server.
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12:32<ballison>that doesn't make ssh a socks proxy server
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12:35<ansgar>ballison: No. -D creates a socks proxy listening on the local side and tunneling connections through the ssh tunnel.
12:35<ansgar>ballison: Just forwarding a port would be -L
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12:36<ballison>so this is all i need? ssh -p 2222 -NfD 1080 localhost
12:38<ballison>sorry ---> this --> ssh -NfD 1080 localhost
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12:38<ballison>that sets up a sock proxy on port 1080 ?
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12:39<retrospectacus>ballison: I haven't been paying attention but what's the point of a proxy on localhost?
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12:40<ballison>retro: I need to set up a socks proxy server
12:40<ballison>someone said i can do that with ssh
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12:41<ballison>i'm trying to figure out the syntax to make a generic socks proxy server using ssh as the server
12:41<themill>more precisely, you asked me, who knows nothing about socks proxies, what you should use for one and I said that I'd only ever used ssh. There's a difference...
12:42<retrospectacus>ballison: ok well that will work and make the localhost a proxy. But you'd want to allow other hosts to use it, probably
12:42<retrospectacus>for which I believe you want -g
12:42<ballison>no i want others to use it. i can restrict it via firewall
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12:44<retrospectacus>then on 10.1.1.5 (eg) run ssh -NfgD1080 localhost and then your friends can use 10.1.1.5:1080 for their socks proxy
12:45<themill>(I'd have thought there was something a bit more sophisticated than ssh for this though)
12:45<retrospectacus>good chance. I've only used ssh and it works great... doing it on localhost still seems pointless though
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12:48<ballison>retro: why pointless? a remote server is gonna connect to this socks proxy running on localhost and then pass through it
12:49<themill>ballison: most of us have probably only ever used socks proxies like the ssh one in order to get around silly firewall restrictions or as some sort of poor-man's vpn for web access.
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12:49<retrospectacus>yeah, it's OK... how remote though?
12:50<retrospectacus>I'd do on 10.1.1.5 run ssh -NfgD1080 serverinanothercountry NOW you have a sweet tunneling proxy
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12:51<ballison>retro: right but on that "server in a another country" you have to be running a socks proxy on that remote server? right?
12:51<retrospectacus>wrong, just an ssh server
12:51<ballison>basically you just tunnelled 1080 to the remotecountry server
12:51<retrospectacus>no, 1080 is still on 10.1.1.5
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12:54<retrospectacus>well yes, the actual socks proxy software runs on the server in another country, yes sorry, but the socks proxy target you want to tell your friends is still 10.1.1.5:1080
12:55<ballison>but only if i run it to localhost on 10.1.1.5
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12:55<ballison>otherwise there's not sock proxy there
12:55<retrospectacus>well there's a tunnel to a socks proxy there
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12:56<retrospectacus>sshd on serverinanothercountry runs the socks proxy. ssh on 10.1.1.5 opens port 1080 and tunnels it through the ssh connection to serverinanothercountry
12:57<retrospectacus>hence your friends enter 10.1.1.5:1080 as their socks proxy
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12:58<retrospectacus>all their traffic goes there, is encrypted between 10.1.1.5 and serverinanothercountry and back again
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12:59<retrospectacus>magic I tell ya
12:59<sad_intel>Anyone having problems with Xorg after upgrading unstable?
12:59<retrospectacus>go to #debian-next for unstable questions sad_intel
12:59<sney>!pieces
12:59<dpkg>The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
13:00<sad_intel>Thx retrospectacus.
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13:04<ballison>retro: why does it say "bind: Address already in use" when i try to start the socks proxy using ssh?
13:04<ballison>there's NOTHING using port 1080
13:04<ballison>i checked it with lsof
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13:05<ballison>http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KM4qA6h7
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13:05<ballison>why does it say "Address already in use?" when nothing is uaing that port
13:05<retrospectacus>try ''netstat -plant|grep 1080''
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13:06<ballison>http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6h46skk8
13:06<ballison>nothing is using the porp
13:06<ballison>netstat saying nothing is using the port
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13:07<ballison>lsof saying nothing is using the port
13:07<ballison>http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6h46skk8
13:07<ballison>yet when i start it it saying port in use
13:08<retrospectacus>dunno, probably some ssh still running. I just use ''ssh -D1080 remote'' for simplicity BTW
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13:08<ballison>must be the -g option
13:08<ballison>that the only thing that was added
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13:08<retrospectacus>that is to allow others to use the tunnel
13:09<retrospectacus>oh it needs hmm GatewayPorts I think enabled in sshd_config
13:09<ballison>well it's causing me to have "address already in use" errors
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13:11<ballison>retro: but when i add that it says IP already in use
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13:12<ballison>okay it works with the "g" option.. but it still errors when i started it but it looks like it works.
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13:40<arier>Парни, подскажите
13:40<arier>.
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13:40<neo^>arier: English please
13:41<Lancien>!ru
13:41<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
13:41<Lancien>ahah
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13:50<said>salu
13:51<said>hello
13:51<retrospectacus>said: hi! Do you have a debian question?
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13:52<said>no thinks
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14:09<piranha>test
14:09<heikkila>test failed
14:09<piranha>alright ;)
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14:09<Guest175>so are you guys using any fancy irc client like irssi ?
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14:10<heikkila>I use Irssi
14:10<Guest175>ok heikkila
14:11*retrospectacus too but I wouldn't say it's fance
14:11<retrospectacus>y
14:11<Guest175>yea, actually that would be kinda ironic .. ;)
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15:06<newb12466343>hi, could someone help with jabberd14 configuration on debian 6.0.4 server? want to see your config as example. Thanks
15:06<benjr>is there anything i need to consider when i am looking for a product like this? http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/info/CO-SKU3SI/1875/?sort_by=550&per_page=20
15:07<sney>benjr, nope, they're all pretty much the same thing
15:07<benjr>do they need drivers, can i plug/unplug the drives while pc is running?
15:08<sney>they are supported by regular usb mass storage and you can plug/unplug the drives in most cases
15:09<sney>it's exactly like an external hard drive enclosure, just sans box
15:09<benjr>ah thats good news
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15:10<benjr>i dont need to worry about compatibility with driver >2tb?
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15:10<benjr>drives*
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15:10<sney>unsure, but it'll be the same as any external drive of that capacity
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15:24<DennisTheTiger>Running Debian Stable right now. Currently, hardware includes an on-board sound card, a "front" sound input and output (pair of 3.5mm jacks for headset and mic), and most recently, a Plantronics headset. The headset is seen by ALSA. This said, how do I tell my system to use a particular device at my request (say, the Plantronics headset) at will?
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15:25<DennisTheTiger>If it's relevant, kernel 2.6.32-5-686
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15:40<newb12466343>hi, could someone help with jabberd14 configuration on debian 6.0.4 server? want to see your config as example or may be you can direct me on a good howto. Thanks
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15:48<Pichorra_>hey, can somebody help me getting wine1.4 in debian wihout compiling it from the sources
15:48<Pichorra_>?
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15:51<perlwizard>,versions wine-unstable
15:51<judd>Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.37-0.1
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15:52<retrospectacus>!newer wine
15:52<dpkg>The wine-unstable packages in Debian are very out of date and possibly not what you want. For unofficial, newer versions of these packages for wheezy/sid, see http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ . These packages can be backported to squeeze with a little work, ask me about <ssb>. Alternatively, the commercial <cxoffice> offers a recent wine with support.
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15:52<DennisTheTiger>Running Debian Stable right now. Currently, hardware includes an on-board sound card, a "front" sound input and output (pair of 3.5mm jacks for headset and mic), and most recently, a Plantronics headset. The headset is seen by ALSA. This said, how do I tell my system to use a particular device at my request (say, the Plantronics headset) at will?
15:53<Pichorra_>and the wine1.4 stable?
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16:15<clifford>hello
16:16<scientes>!tell clifford ask
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16:16<scientes>clifford, just ask!
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16:16<clifford>I am new to Linux
16:17<scientes>clifford, are you running debian?
16:17<scientes>do you need help installing debian?
16:17<clifford>no Ubuntu
16:17<scientes>!ubuntuirc
16:17<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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16:17<scientes>!ubuntu
16:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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16:18<ompaul>clifford: I guess what you are being told is this is not the place for you to get help with ubuntu.
16:18<clifford>ok ty
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16:22<scientes>yep, if you want help with debian this is the place, but we cant support ubuntu here, sorry
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17:31<magnus>hello! can anyone help me with selinux sandbox? i can't get it to work
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17:32<retrospectacus>!selinux
17:32<dpkg>Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>.
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17:32<retrospectacus>magnus: ^^ they have their own channel you should probably try
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17:33<scientes>"Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. "--what about just doing security=none ?
17:33<magnus>thanks!
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17:33<blackfrancis44>hi
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17:33<scientes>i gues some people are on remote hosting , and cant change boot permissions without a running system...
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17:44<sian>Hi! Does anybody know anything about ktorrent?
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17:45<retrospectacus>the people who wrote it do. What's your question?
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17:46<sian>retrospectacus: What are the figures in brackets for seeders and leechers?
17:46<retrospectacus>no clue, I've never used it
17:46<sian>Shucks :-)
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17:47<agarwood>hi ! someone in the UK ? thank
17:47<sian>agarwood: yes
17:47<retrospectacus>agarwood: lots of people are there... what's your question?
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17:48<agarwood>thank's ! i need buy a debian-cd on birmingham if it is possible... but i don't know where ? can you help me ?
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17:49<retrospectacus>usually you just download and burn it... why buy?
17:49<sian>agarwood: do u mean *at* birmingham or *about* birmingham?
17:50<retrospectacus>I think he means *in* Birmingham
17:50<agarwood>at birmingham... to burn with my laptop is weak because my laptop doesn't work well about that every time
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17:52<retrospectacus>you can "burn" the installer onto a USB stick and install with that if your BIOS supports it
17:52<retrospectacus>I am not aware of anywhere that sells debian installers. Maybe you can get a friend to burn a copy for you.
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17:52<agarwood>i am afraid about install by USB...
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17:53<agarwood>+1 ! yes of course i have some friends thank you
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17:55<agarwood>is it more difficult between cd and usb ?
17:55<agarwood>about usb
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17:56<sian>agarwood: usb should be straightforward
17:56<retrospectacus>agarwood: identical except you need to tell your computer to boot from the USB
17:56<sian>agarwood: it depends on whether your laptop will boot from the USB stick
17:57<retrospectacus>also you need to burn the ISO to the USB drive and I'm not sure how to do it with windows...
17:57<agarwood>okay, also maybe the difficulty is to make the usb for install ?
17:57<agarwood>lol
17:58<agarwood>i am on ubuntu$
17:58<retrospectacus>ah easy then, in linux it's: cat debian-installer.iso > /dev/sdb :)
17:59<agarwood>okay, just : ( cat debian-installer.iso > /dev/sdb ) that's it ?
17:59<retrospectacus>if sdb is your usb drive!
17:59<retrospectacus>also the actual name of the ISO file
18:00<agarwood>ok
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18:00<sian>agarwood: you'll probably have to do it with sudo
18:00<agarwood>yeah i think too
18:00<retrospectacus>I don't know how to make > work with sudo though
18:01<retrospectacus>sudo -s
18:01<retrospectacus>and then do it
18:01<agarwood>debian is so diffrent ubuntu ?
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18:01<streuner__>agarwood: /msg dpkg why debian
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18:02<sian>agarwood: ubuntu uses debian packages
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18:06<agarwood>i am on ubuntu 5 years ago now and i have change 10.04 LTS to 12.04LTS but now i don't like the way ubuntu take.... i am not feel good today on ubuntu... also i think ubuntu can be nice when we come from windows... but linux is not ubuntu and in linux we have for every body ! today i need a very stable and simple distro, that why i see on debian... and i like gnome to
18:07<agarwood>but ubuntu is very nice but i want and need change
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18:07<agarwood>my laptop don't follow ubuntu, to old...
18:08<agarwood>maybe i do wrong way; i don't know... your advice is welcom !
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18:10<sian>agarwood: A USB stick takes up very little room, but the real question is, will your laptop BIOS detect the stick and allow you to boot from it?
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18:11<sian>agarwood: See if you can borrow one from a friend
18:12<agarwood>and "netinstall" you know it ?
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18:13<retrospectacus>!netinst
18:13<dpkg>somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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18:14<agarwood>okay, thank
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18:17<agarwood>oh just another thing... i anm looking about debian because afters littles problems on the new ubuntu i saw on the ubuntu forum some body leave ubuntu today for other distro... some body was talking about debian very well and interristing
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18:19<agarwood>i think i will try boot on usb, i can't really waiting. i will try to come back here. thank you a lot for all !
18:19<retrospectacus>good luck! we'll be here
18:19<agarwood>thank you
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18:20<agarwood>bye !
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18:26<treborabc>If anyone can help me, debian will not boot into gui. I was before, I have it installed and setup. I recently edited the fstab to mount two more partitions with vim.
18:27<treborabc>*It
18:27<treborabc>*installed(the gui)
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18:28<perlwizard>does it boot at all ?
18:29<treborabc>only into command line
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18:29<treborabc>I may have corrupted the fstab not that I think of it
18:29<perlwizard>pastebin it?
18:29<treborabc>it warned me that it was being edited
18:29<sian>treborabc: have you checked the X log file in /var/log?
18:30<perlwizard>also, what version of X?
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18:30<treborabc>the computer isn't connectiong right
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18:30<treborabc>sian I have not but I'll boot into parted magic and check
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18:31<treborabc>perlwizard how do I check the X version? as in X window system? Is that the same as Desktop enviroment?
18:32<perlwizard>aptitude show xserver-xorg-core
18:32<treborabc>k sec
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18:34<treborabc>Version: 2:1.7.7-14
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18:34<perlwizard>ok
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18:34<perlwizard>pastebin your fstab and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:34<treborabc>k lemme get loaded into parted magic
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18:40<treborabc>pastebin.com/nsE43Bsj
18:40<treborabc>perlwizard
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18:41<treborabc>http://www.pastebin.com/nsE43Bsj
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18:43<perlwizard>neither of these look broken
18:43<perlwizard>what happens if you manually perform startx as normal user ?
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18:44<treborabc>I didn't try that. I'm kindof a linux noob.
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18:45<treborabc>startx as a command?
18:45<perlwizard>also I dont think you need to quote UUID's in fstab
18:45<perlwizard>yes, startx is a command
18:46<sian>perlwizard: UUIDs are more secure
18:46<treborabc>I read one place and though it would be better that way
18:46<treborabc>what he said
18:46<treborabc>ok startx loaded it up fine
18:46<perlwizard>sian I meant the "" around uuid
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18:47<perlwizard>not uuid itself
18:47<treborabc>oh
18:47<perlwizard>treborabc okay... what DE are you using
18:47<sian>perlwizard: ah
18:47<perlwizard>it looks like DE/DM issue
18:47<treborabc>xfce4.4, never had a problem with it before
18:47<treborabc>or
18:47<treborabc>4.3 mabye
18:47<treborabc>idk
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18:47<perlwizard>and which DM ?
18:47<treborabc>but its 4.0_
18:47<treborabc>*+
18:47<treborabc>DM?
18:48<perlwizard>display manager
18:48<treborabc>oh
18:48<perlwizard>xdm/gdm/lightdm/...
18:48<treborabc>I don't know. honesty
18:48<treborabc>I think gdm though
18:48<treborabc>but I'm not sure
18:48<sian>treborabc: The default display manager is in a file in /etc/X11
18:49<treborabc>ah
18:49<treborabc>sec I'll check that
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18:52<treborabc>gdm3 sian
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18:52<treborabc>sorry I was waiting for boot. Went into parted magic to re-replace my fstat since thats not the prob
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18:52<perlwizard>meh, gdm3
18:53<treborabc>meh?
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18:53<sian>perlwizard: meh?
18:53<treborabc>is there something wrong with it? I haven't messed around with display managers
18:53<treborabc>are the other ones any better?
18:53<perlwizard>if you're using xfce might as well use a DM maitained by one of xfce people
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18:53<perlwizard>which they swear works (and it usually does)
18:53<sian>treborabc: gdm is used for gnome, kdm for KDE
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18:54<treborabc>ok, so how do I install another and switch to it
18:54<perlwizard>aptitude purge gdm3; aptitude install lightdm
18:54<scientes>can someone do a at-file search for dvb-usb-it9137-01.fw ? for me
18:54<perlwizard>done
18:54<scientes>*apt-file
18:54<treborabc>ok
18:54<perlwizard>scientes no hits
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18:55<perlwizard>scientes other than linux-doc-3.2: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-3.2/Documentation/dvb/it9137.txt.gz
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18:56<scientes>hmm, that tells me how to extrack the firmware out of the windows stuff
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18:56<treborabc>ok a completely different question. Does anyone have a link to the debian theme for grub? I replaced it with a Rainbow Dash theme but it was a poor quality and flashed. Now, after removing it, I have a large blue box and small text for my grub.
18:57<sney>the desktop-base package has it
18:57<sian>treborabc: Have you got X up now?
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18:57<treborabc>going to it now
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18:57<drhouse123>apt-get or aptitude. which is preferable for package management ?
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18:57<sian>drhouse123: Depends
18:57<perlwizard>retrospectacus desktop-base contains some grub themes iirc
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18:58<perlwizard>err treborabc &
18:58<treborabc>lol
18:58<retrospectacus>:)
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18:58<perlwizard>sorry, bad autocomplete
18:58<sian>drhouse123: apt-get is reliable
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18:59<perlwizard>both work
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18:59<treborabc>if I just need the grub theme, should i install desktop-base or just download it and get the right files?
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18:59<perlwizard>whichever floats your boat
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19:00<perlwizard>treborabc installing desktop-base modifies grub.cfg to use some theme
19:00<treborabc>well as long as it doesn't screw with my DE, but shouldn't should it?
19:00<retrospectacus>!tell drhouse123 about why aptitude
19:00<retrospectacus>!tell drhouse123 about why not aptitude
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19:01<perlwizard>did installing lightdm help?
19:01<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>haven't yet, about to
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19:01<perlwizard>also, just to make sure
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19:01<perlwizard>what does `runlevel` say
19:01<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>I will after desktop-base is closed
19:01<perlwizard>(as root)
19:01<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>and I can get lock
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19:01<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>*finished
19:02<drhouse123>retrospectacus: thanks I understood everything :)
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19:02<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>!tell TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie about why aptitude
19:03<retrospectacus>!tell TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie about msgthebot
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19:03<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>ok thx
19:04<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>ok odd
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19:04<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>I didn't find a package named lightdm
19:04<perlwizard>,versions lightdm
19:04<judd>Package: lightdm on i386 -- sid: 1.0.11-1; wheezy: 1.0.11-1; experimental: 1.2.0-1
19:05<perlwizard>,versions xfce4
19:05<judd>Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10~pre2
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19:06<joaomanoel>ola
19:06<joaomanoel>alguem tc in protuguese
19:06<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>Well I'm on squeeze? I that why its not there?
19:06<retrospectacus>!pt
19:06<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
19:06<sian>joaomanoel: hi
19:06<perlwizard>TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie yeah.
19:06<joaomanoel>hi sian
19:06<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>well then, I'll just reinstall one of the others
19:07<joaomanoel>join #debian-pt
19:07<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>xdm or gdm then?
19:07<sian>joaomanoel: English here. Try /join #debian-pt
19:07<perlwizard>try xdm
19:07<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>k
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19:07<sian>TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie: xdm is the basic dm and it's reliable
19:07<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>k
19:07<perlwizard>there were issues
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19:08<perlwizard>xfce-related, with every single DM except lightdm
19:08<perlwizard>something consolekit related
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19:08<perlwizard>but xdm on stable should work
19:08<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>well thats odd that it would just then start acting up though
19:08<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>well should it auto-start using if gdm isn't installed
19:08<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>or configure it
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19:09<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>well actually I just purged gdm so how do I switch to xdm?
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19:09<perlwizard>aptitude install xdm
19:09<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>just did that
19:09<perlwizard>service xdm start
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19:10<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>ok
19:10<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>thats done
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19:11<perlwizard>it should be configured to autostart
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19:11<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>ok
19:11<perlwizard>you can check that by rebooting
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19:11<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>well I know the themem worked
19:11<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>rebooting now
19:12<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>ok, different login screen but it loaded right
19:13<sian>TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie: do you have X up now?
19:13<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>sweet and my partitions auto-loaded to
19:13<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>sian yes
19:13<retrospectacus>!congratulate TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie
19:13<dpkg>Yay TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie, you did it!
19:13<sian>TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie: That's good news
19:13*TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie Brohoof sian, perlwizard
19:13<perlwizard>means gdm3 was somehow borked
19:13<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>any where I can find out what happened? will that xorg log give any clues?
19:14<sian>TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie: should do
19:14<sian>TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie: One of the previous versions which should have been saved
19:14<perlwizard>see if there are any relevant logs in /var/log
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19:15<perlwizard>but chances are pretty slim.
19:16<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>there are a lot of warnings and dependency warnings in bootstrap.log, if that means anything
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19:50<iandalton>What does it mean that this package is listed at <http://mentors.debian.net/package/drwright> but is not in the debian repos? Is it on some kind of track to be included? Its official home page links to that page and says Debian: not yet.
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20:36<magnus>can anyone help with a selinux sandbox issue? nobody is at the #selinux channel
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20:46<retrospectacus>magnus: there are 76 people there
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20:46<magnus>76 people who don't say anything
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20:46<retrospectacus>yeah well there are hundreds here but they probably don't know much about "selinux sandbox"
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20:47<retrospectacus>you are welcome to ask though
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20:52<hobarrera>Hi! I can't get my mouse to work, either on debian-testing or debian-sid, nor on Xorg or gpm. The hardware itself is detected (by dmesg and lsusb), but the mouse just doesn't work :(
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21:11<tiny>I accidentally erased the symlink for libc. Is there any way to safely shut down the system? (I'm using Ubuntu so I don't know the root password to use su.
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21:12<hobarrera>tiny: What symlink exactly did you remove? Can't you reinstall the package that provided it?
21:12<perlwizard> > I'm using Ubuntu
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21:12<perlwizard>wrong channel
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21:17<tiny>I'll ask in there, but the link I deleted was libc.so.6.
21:18<perlwizard>good for you.
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21:20<tiny>I managed to load xchat up by issuing "LD_PRELOAD='/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so' /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /usr/bin/xchat" in a fortunately already running gnome-terminal but sudo errors with "sudo: must be setuid root" Presumably because ld-linux doesn't have setuid root.
21:20<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc tiny
21:20<dpkg>tiny: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
21:21<tiny>I've already asked, the only help I got was a link to some malware.
21:21<retrospectacus>!they don't know
21:21<dpkg>We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us.
21:23<tiny>Thanks.
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21:37<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>Anyone know of a good IP blocker?
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21:43<Poolsclosed>What is the Default kernel on Debian 6.0
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22:06<dvs>Poolsclosed: 2.6.32
22:06<Poolsclosed>kk
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22:09<JuicedGinger>hello
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22:09<JuicedGinger>can anyone tell me the command to copy a folder?
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22:09<JuicedGinger>oooh or better yet
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22:10<JuicedGinger>how can i browse subdirectories with administrative priveleges?
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22:12<TheGreatandPowerfulTrixie>that would either require alot of chown or logging is as root which I don't think you can do. At least it blocked me when I tried
22:12<hobarrera>JuicedGinger: "cp -R" will copy a directory
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22:13<hobarrera>JuicedGinger: You can log in as root, or run "chown -R username" to make the directory yours
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22:13<robbiethe1st>also, running gksudo *file-manager* will run the filemanager you use as root
22:14<robbiethe1st>thereby allowing you to access stuff as root via VGUI
22:14<robbiethe1st>*a gui
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22:27<archer>You know a template of wireless driver for linux?
22:28<robbiethe1st>...Uh...?
22:30<archer>Where could find it?
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22:40<nevyn>does that work with current sudo and default sudoers?
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23:03<scientes>http://sota.gen.nz/af_can/
23:03<scientes>ouch
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23:46<pungi-man>hii!!
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23:48<scientes>pungi-man, hi!
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