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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-05-03

---Logopened Thu May 03 00:00:56 2012
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00:27<luper>yes hello
00:27<luper>i need advice
00:27<luper>i have a friend that uses ubuntu right now
00:27<luper>and i am trying to get him to switch over to debian
00:27<luper>any talking points that i can use to help him switch?
00:27<luper>thank you
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00:28<bones_was_here>if you just wait, ubuntu will break enough things that used to work fine to piss him off, then he's more likely to switch :P
00:28<connection>hey guys
00:28<bones_was_here>hi
00:28<connection>what is going on here?
00:28<bones_was_here>not much atm
00:28<connection>do you have bones in your body sir?
00:28<luper>well, ubuntu already bricked his laptop once, and yet he still won't switch
00:29<connection>can someone direct me where to start coding some heavy python - i want to learn how to code networking, like socket coding and things like tor
00:29<connection>how can i learn that?
00:29<bones_was_here>connection: there is the #python channel on freenode
00:30<connection>okay thanks mate
00:30<connection>i appreciate all the help
00:30<connection>much love
00:32<bones_was_here>luper: he's sticking with the devil he knows, normal human behaviour ;)
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00:34<bones_was_here>no OS will be perfect especially on laptops, they all sooner or later have the graphics driver hang when coming out of standby, or the power management doesn't kick in and it overheats, or there are BIOS/ACPI bugs, etc etc
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00:36<luper>rip
00:38<bones_was_here>also if he's one of those who fixes computer problems by formatting and reinstalling the OS, ubuntu will be more suitable than debian
00:40<luper>ahahaha
00:40<luper>so true
00:40<luper>that is a good insult
00:40<luper>i am going to use that as my go-to insult for every day life
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00:44<sean>would I be able to set up a file server on my main desktop (just to learn) or should I do that on a different computer?
00:45<gdb>sean: You may need to explain more about what you're looking to do. Do you want to use your main desktop to share files to other clients, or to share files with itself?
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00:46<sean>gdb: other clients probably
00:47<gdb>sean: And what sharing protocol do you plan to use? Will it be a high volume of data that's being shared?
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00:48<sean>gdb: no, small files. sorry for my naivete on this
00:48<gdb>sean: In a nutshell, I can say this -- for home (or even small - mid sized office) file sharing, your desktop will be fine with just about any protocol you plan to use.
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00:50<sean>gdb: thanks!
00:50<gdb>Sure thing :-)
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01:24<ph4nt0m_x>hi is there a specific channel for kdenlive pls?
01:25<sney>#kdenlive on irc.freenode.net
01:25<ph4nt0m_x>tnx
01:26<ph4nt0m_x>damn knowones there =/
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01:27<ph4nt0m_x>are you able to help me with this issue sney? im having an issue rendering my video. always comes out black and white with no sound
01:28<ph4nt0m_x>its a HD 720p im trying to render to lossless hq with aac sound the codecs are there it just keeps failing miserably =/
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01:29<sney>ph4nt0m_x, I'm about to go to bed and I've never used kdenlive. just ask your question in the correct channel and wait. eventually someone might have a reply.
01:30<ph4nt0m_x>theres nobody on that channel cept me but ty anyways =]
01:30<sney>ph4nt0m_x, but if you went into the #kdenlive channel and literally _nobody_ is there, then you're on the wrong network. We are on OFTC right now. the kdenlive channel is on freenode.
01:30<ph4nt0m_x>lol ok
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02:05<Lancien>i love Debian too
02:05<Lancien>ahah
02:06<Lancien>DebianLover, it's a name of debra the wife of Ian et Ian the debian "createur"
02:06<Lancien>i'(m frensh it's the cause of my fucking bad english
02:06<Lancien>goo Morning all!
02:06<Lancien>good
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02:07<DebianLover>Lancien: :)
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02:08<Lancien>:D
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02:41<codek>fr
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03:09<fone>kjn
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04:25<Paulio>Hello, how I can change color depth in Debian Wheezy?
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04:35<codek>anyone use omdistro??
04:36<OdyX>!ask
04:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
04:37<codek>i have problem with omdistro, i see a host up with i cant monitoring cpu, disk, ram... etc anyone know how can i do it?
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04:41<qutbeg>hello
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05:29<Paulio>Hello, how I can change color depth in Debian Wheezy?
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05:52<crose>hello, sometimes when i launch audacity on my debian squeeze, i lose sound and i have to reload alsa to get it back. could someone help me find out where's the problem ?
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06:20<Flangan>hello i try to "make" but i get this error on an debian machine http://pastebin.com/DYLS8TKb
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06:22<raubat>hi
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06:22<ansgar>Flangan: That's not a Debian problem, but more a problem with inspircd. You probably miss a few things it requires to build.
06:22<Flangan>ahh
06:22<Flangan>ok
06:22<ansgar>Flangan: Also there is usually no need to build things as root...
06:23<Flangan>just test ;)
06:23<raubat>hi any one knows how to install minitube and qwit app without apgrading to damned gnome 3
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06:33<Dvorak>I hope that someone can help me, because I'm going a bit crazy here. I'm trying to install Pigeonhole Sieve pipe on dovecot, but I keep encountering errors.
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06:35<supaman>pastebin the errors and you get more chance of help (dont know anything about dovecot myself)
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06:42<Dvorak>I just found out i'm runner a older version of Dovecot than I thought. :P
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06:47<ACh>does any one got a chaos when shutdown debian?
06:47<GTK>Ау
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06:48<ACh>any idea how to fix that?
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06:48<SynrG>a ... "chaos"? sorry, i have no idea what you mean.
06:48<SynrG>please describe what happens when you shut down
06:49<ACh>when you shutdown, you shoud got something like this:
06:49<GTK>Is it Russia channel?
06:49<GTK>oops
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06:49<ACh>broadcast from root@host: something here
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06:50<ACh>Init: switch to runlevel 0
06:50<ACh>dhcp: blah blah blah
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06:50<ACh>will now shutdown
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06:51<ACh>but now, they all came to one line, becomes: Init: switch to runlevel5 dhcp: lkdfs will now shutdown
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06:55<SynrG>ACh: "but now" ... after doing what?
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06:57<ACh>I got this problem long time ago, cannot remember the first time it happens
06:57<ACh>sometimes it very needy, but sometimes it is chaos
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06:58<SynrG>i guess your terminal attributes for wherever you are receiving these messages influences how newlines are rendered
06:58<SynrG>is this in the console or what?
06:58<ACh>run a gnome
06:59<ACh>runlevel 5
06:59<ACh>gui
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07:02<Dmitry>GTIK, Russia?
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07:03<jTIK>Ага
07:03<ACh>Thanks, SynrG.
07:03<jTIK>Yes.
07:03<SynrG>ACh: i am not sure how i have helped. :)
07:04<SynrG>i still don't have a clear idea of what could be wrong.
07:04<ACh>let me see the log
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07:14<Sillencer>Hello. Can someone help me, if my server works as a gateway, how can block a website to one of the PC in the lan ?
07:14<Sillencer>*how can I block
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07:22<SynrG>!tell Sillencer about iptables
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07:22<Sillencer>SynrG: iptables can be used to block a certain website ?
07:23<gdb>http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch14_:_Linux_Firewalls_Using_iptables -- yes, iptables is Linux's firewall system.
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07:23<Sillencer>ok, tnx
07:23<gdb>It's kinda complex so you may want to get your hands on some helper software for configuration.
07:24<Sillencer>helper software ?
07:24<Sillencer>any example ?
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07:24<nevyn> and if blocking websites is your goal... squid and a restricted list is probably more maintainable.
07:24<Sillencer>can I install squid as a transparent proxy ?
07:24<SynrG>depends on your goal. if you're trying to put a web filter in place to block porn for child users, for example (and by the way, good luck with that) there are packages with that particular goal in mind.
07:24<nevyn>combined with a transparent proxy config
07:25<gdb>You can get a list of possibilities with 'apt-cache search iptables' -- lots of helper programs listed.
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07:25<nevyn>Sillencer: yes yes you can.
07:25<Sillencer>ok, tnx :)
07:25<gdb>Yeah, squid will work, too, but you'll want to combine it with iptables for no reason other than your clients can override the proxy configuration locally on their PC
07:25<SynrG>dansguardian is a popular package for this purpose
07:26<gdb>if you want to *force* then to go through the proxy, then you'll have to block outgoing http anyway
07:26<gdb>(unless it goes through squid)
07:26<nevyn>sure.
07:26<SynrG>i cannot vouch for the merits of this package over any of the alternatives, as i have not used it personally.
07:26<gdb>them*
07:26<nevyn>but actually maintaing a bad site list in iptables rules is a fast path to insanity
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07:26<SynrG>agreed
07:26<Paulio>Can someone help me with change color depth in Debian Wheezy...?
07:27<Sillencer>so I need to force everyone to use squid proxy ?
07:27<nevyn>Sillencer: yep
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07:27<SynrG>Paulio: please see #debian-next for wheezy/sid requests (as per channel topic)
07:27<nevyn>so you need to block outgoing http and or redirect it to the squid
07:27<Sillencer>and to block port 80. ok...
07:27<babilen>Sillencer: What do you really want to do?
07:27<gdb>yes, squid will be your web gateway and iptables will be the cop that makes sure everyone uses it
07:28<Sillencer>there is someone at work who uses a certain website, instead of working :) So they asked me if I can block this website for him :)
07:28<SynrG>say, facebook, for example?
07:28<nevyn>Sillencer: one site.. often isn't one ip.
07:28<Sillencer>something like facebook, yes
07:28<nevyn>and iptables only knows about ip's
07:29<SynrG>you realize that after *one* site is blocked, you will find people will waste time on some other site instead
07:29<Sillencer>:)
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07:29<nevyn>SynrG: if it's semi-self nominated.. then it might work ok.
07:29*nevyn sortof wishes he didn't work out how to irc from work
07:29<SynrG>right. that's what i'm driving at
07:29<Sicelo>heh .. true that. they say you can't solve a social problem using technical means.
07:29<Paulio>SynrG: Yes I understand, but in this room is nobody.
07:29<SynrG>it's a social problem. throwing a technology solution at it often doesn't accomplish the desired results
07:30<SynrG>Paulio: what? no ...
07:30<SynrG>Paulio: how is 137 nicks 'nobody'?
07:30<SynrG>Paulio: including me, by the way. i'm not trying to just blow you off
07:31<SynrG>really, #debian-next is quite responsive and is better equipped to handle your wheezy/sid queries
07:32<gdb>http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/dansguardian.html -- this document is from 2005 but I'm sure the concepts will be the same
07:32<gdb>"Setting up a Web Content Filter (Parental Controls) using DANSGUARDIAN in Debian Linux" -- which is essentially what you're doing
07:33<Sicelo>Sillencer: i have blocked Facebook here .. but it took more man hours than it was worth. also, how effective your blocks will be depends on the technical ability of the 'subjects' -- keeping in mind that what you think they know and what they actually know is vastly different
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07:35<Sillencer>Sicelo: I know that this coul be useless, depending on the skills of the user... But still, I was asked to block the website, I hope that the user doesnt know much about computers :D
07:35<Sillencer>gdb: tnx :)
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07:41<SynrG>Sillencer: "only following orders", hm? well, i wish you luck with that. if you wield any influence with the decision makers you might try to gently reeducate
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07:42<Sillencer>SynrG: reeducate? how ? :)
07:43<nevyn>a stick helps
07:43<nevyn>a big one
07:43<SynrG>Sillencer: learn to speak their language and then speak it
07:44<SynrG>this is not always easy, and besides is outside of the scope of this channel
07:44<nevyn>ah optimising efficiencies
07:44<Sillencer>:)
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08:11<Junkatron>how do I see the total size of a filetype
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08:11<Junkatron>Like if I wanted to know the total size of every .jpg file combined
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08:13<gdb>Junkatron: find /path/you/want/to/search -type f -name \*.jpg -ls | awk '{total += $7} END {print total}'
08:13<Junkatron>thanks
08:14<gdb>The 7th column of find's -ls output is the file size. The awk statement just adds them all together.
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08:15<gdb>note that won't include .jpeg files, which is another common (if less so) extension.
08:15<Junkatron>oh
08:15<bino>good morning
08:15<Junkatron>what is 3.13694e+10
08:15<Junkatron>is that like 31369400000
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08:17<SynrG>yes
08:18<SynrG>3.13694*10^10
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08:18<gdb>So you have 29.2 GB of pr0n? ;)
08:18<Junkatron>lol no
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08:22<Junkatron>oh what do I use to see all picture files
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08:23<Dmitry>29.2?..
08:23<gdb>Junkatron: There's no easy way that I can think of, at least not at the command line.
08:24<gdb>Dmitry: 31369400000/1024^3
08:24<Junkatron>so there's a program?
08:24<Dmitry>gdb, your... device will be crashed for such a big volume of pron :D
08:24<gdb>heh, it's Junkatron's! :D
08:25<Dmitry>:DDD
08:25<gdb>cbell@circe:~$ du -hs .
08:25<gdb>702G .
08:25<gdb>:(
08:25<jTIK>gdb, is your IRC-client has internal calc?
08:25<gdb>jTIK: No
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08:26<Junkatron>I just used a website
08:26<gdb>I use bc
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08:26<gdb>echo "scale=2;31369400000/1024^3" | bc
08:26<gdb>(I normally use it interactively, but you can do it on the command line, too)
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08:27<jTIK>So your open a command line and type the comand?
08:28<jTIK>opps too late
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08:30<gdb>I always have a terminal open.
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08:47<g_man>'disconnect
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09:54<Sillencer>why is squid using port 80 ? I don't get it
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10:44<perlwizard>corporate proxies are evil
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10:57<XReaper>ALL proxies are evil.
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10:58<spacepluk>well reverse proxies are nice ^_^
10:58<docbop>setting up a pxeboot server to install wheezy, but can't find a pxelinux.0 file for wheey. Will any recent pxelinux.0
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10:59<XReaper>Well, reverse proxies as a method to get around proxies ARE awesome
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11:00<mwalling>thats not a reverse proxy.
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11:00<XReaper>eh... then it isn't
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11:07<kop>docbop: The usual way to install wheezy is to install squeeze and upgrade. The testing installer is, (wait for it....) in testing and may not work.
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11:43<arthur>hello world
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13:08<robo>hi I'm running sid and my gvim stopped working.. I think it's bug #667033.. anyone has any idea about what to do?
13:08<robo>I've already upgraded all packages that gvim depended on.. didn't help
13:08<towo`>what to do? use stable
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13:08<towo`>for sid, it's the wrong channel here
13:09<robo>oh, is it?
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13:09<robo>sorry, I didn't know that
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13:12<user1>need to install network bandwidth monitoring tool in ubuntu 11.10 for all users, pls help me
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13:13<ansgar>!ubuntu
13:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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16:06<systemsarango>hola a todos
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16:06<systemsarango>epero me ayuden es mi primera vez en esto
16:07<themill>!ubuntu-es systemsarango
16:07<dpkg>systemsarango: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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17:32<marvil07>I would like to update my 3G provider information I see on network manager, which package I should be looking at?
17:32<marvil07>(they has recently changed APN/user/pass)
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17:34*marvil07 got the answer on #debian-mentors mobile-broadband-provider-info
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18:01<sean>hi, is there a way to start X server from its default settings? I can't get into the login menu because I get an error "failed to start X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not setup correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem? (y/n)"
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18:04<sean>it says "fatal server error, no screens found"
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18:21<craigevil>sean, install the correct video driver for your video card
18:22<sean>I have done that
18:23<sean>craigevil: I installed it per the directions on the debian wiki page
18:23<craigevil>ati or nvidia?
18:23<sean>craigevil: ATI, and I installed them a day ago, and after several shutdowns and startups it randomly does this.
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18:25<craigevil>check the logs /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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18:27<sean>craigevil: I figured it out. I went to the ATI wiki (which is different than proprietary) on debian, and changed the xorg.conf accordingly. thanks for your help!
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18:29<pi>hello
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18:30<wumfi>proudly on my new Raspberry pi :-)
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18:30<wumfi>I am also remotely controlling the Raspberyy Pi lol
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18:31<wumfi>So I have a split personality it seems...
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18:31<wumfi>It's nice how the default debian chan is so chatty :-p
18:32<wumfi>more seriously though, can anyone help with a sound issue?
18:32<wumfi>or is there a dedicated ARM chan for this distro?
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18:35<mejsa>Hi there,im having issues with php mail(),so i installed php mail package,but i cant send e-mail via php mail() even i have already set path to /usr/sbin/sendmail ,any idea?
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18:36<mohamedtouj>card
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18:36<movl>mejsa: any errors?
18:36<mohamedtouj>how can i see memory of my nvidia graphic card
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18:36<movl>mohamedtouj: lspci
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18:37<mejsa>movl: not really sure,im trying it with joomla,joomla says nothing, and don't know which log should i check
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18:38<movl>mejsa: maybe the #php guys can help more
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18:38<mohamedtouj>how can i make my ubutu more fast ???
18:38<movl>!ubuntu'
18:38<mejsa>movl:ill try,thanks :-)
18:38<movl>!ubuntu
18:38<abrotman>!ubuntu
18:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
18:38<movl>mejsa: on Freenode
18:39<mejsa>movl: Freenode needs invitation :-(
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18:40<abrotman>mejsa: ##php on irc.freenode.net
18:41<movl>you need to be registered with Freenode, methinks
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18:43<abrotman>not for ##php
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18:44<abrotman>oh, maybe you do now
18:44<movl>I believe so
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20:05<l_r>is freenode down?
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20:07<scorche|sh>no
20:07<FlynnRyder>hello
20:07<l_r>is it irc.freenode.net?
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20:09<l_r>i cannot connect to irc.freenode.net
20:09<l_r>what port is it?
20:09<l_r>8001?
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20:50<rainfyre>hey everyone. is there a ppc specific channel on this server?
20:50<abrotman>yes, #debinappc
20:50<abrotman>but spelled correctly
20:50<nevyn>is there a -? or oneword?
20:51<chealer>!ppc
20:51<dpkg>PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>, <macsound>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net.
20:51<rainfyre>thanks. I upgraded my kernel and now my computer wont boot
20:51<abrotman>nevyn: no .. just spelled debian, not debina :)
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20:53<rainfyre>is this oftc.net? I connected to debian.org
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20:53<el_adeco>sysinfo
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20:54<abrotman>rainfyre: same place
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21:01<rainfyre>abrotman, thanks
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21:47<Stereo>hello
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21:48<Stereo>I'm running debsecan on squeeze, and it keeps reporting locales, libc-bin, and libc6 upgrades for CVE-2009-5029
21:48<Stereo>but running aptitude install $(debsecan --suite squeeze --only-fixed --format packages) installs nothing
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21:49<taffit>normal: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2009-5029
21:49<Stereo>yeah, but I don't have eglibc installed
21:50<taffit>locales is a binary package built from the eglibc source one
21:50<Stereo>ok
21:50<Stereo>why does it say there's a fix available then?
21:50<taffit>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656108#10
21:51<abrotman>Stereo: are there actually fixes for those items?
21:51<Stereo>abrotman: I don't know :)
21:52<Stereo>taffit: so since the bug report is closed, debsecan thinks there's a fix available?
21:52<taffit>Stereo: didn't you follow the last URL I just posted?
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21:53<Stereo>I did, but I must have misunderstood what it meant
21:54<Stereo>and Aurelien closed the bug on January 16; I didn't have that problem for a long time afterwards
21:54<taffit>it means it will be part of the next point release
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21:55<Stereo>but there's no fix available for now
21:55<taffit>and it's already in squeeze-updates
21:56<Stereo>ah, I should probably use that
21:56<Stereo>it's the volatile replacement, isn't it?
21:56<taffit>yep: https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2012/02/msg00001.html
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21:57<abrotman>Stereo: what level is the CVE ?
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21:59<Stereo>abrotman: I'm trying to find out, but the pages don't seem to work. I assume it's not very serious.
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22:00<taffit>Stereo: it's written on the first link I handed you
22:01<taffit>see the “Urgency” column
22:02<Stereo>ah, so 'low'
22:02<scientes>there are lots of those
22:02<Stereo>but I see that redhat closed the bug as invalid? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2009-5029
22:03<Stereo>or I misunderstand what CLOSED ERRATA means for them
22:03<scientes>the big security problem lately was the samba remote root one
22:03<Stereo>I actually run unattended-upgrades, so that would have caught the samba thing, hopefully
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22:04<Stereo>ok, reading the redhat thread it looks like they just fixed it
22:04<Stereo>and adding the debian updates repository, which I should have done anyway, will probably stop debsecan from complaining
22:07<Stereo>ok, this fixed it indeed
22:07<Stereo>thank you taffit, abrotman, and scientes !
22:08<abrotman>see, i'm useful sometimes!
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22:09<Stereo>hah. I come here when I'm stuck every couple of years, and you're usually here, and helpful :)
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22:30<duffer>Hi al
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22:59<connection>hey guys
22:59<connection>does anyone here have any experience in using gentoo?
22:59<connection>or know where i can go?
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23:01<abrotman>connection: oddly, #gentoo on irc.freenode.net
23:02<connection>ok thanks
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23:43<uofm49426>90 % of the time i use ubuntu on my desktop but just aquired a thinkpad with a old gpu that sucks and want some options that will run ok on it
23:43<uofm49426>its a r40
23:44<uofm49426>has the old ati 7500 firegl
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23:45<uofm49426>thinking wmaker
23:46<nevyn>ati 7500 is what a r300?
23:47<uofm49426>r100 200
23:48<nevyn>so that's still a reasonably capable card.
23:48<nevyn>like. it's not going to do T&L but I'd expect it to run anything that'd run on a i900
23:49<uofm49426>im testing the wmaker live debian iso now
23:49<uofm49426>in vm
23:50<uofm49426>default does it have a wifi manager
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23:51<uofm49426>my desktop is xubuntu xfce like a gui wifi manager
23:54<sney>nevyn, actually the 7500 will do t&l, that was the big selling point over the earlier models. it just won't do shaders.
23:54<sney>uofm49426, wmaker will work fine but it's not necessary to go that minimal. xfce, lxde etc will also be quick
23:55<sney>last I checked, xfce in debian was using the same network-manager applet as gnome, but that will probably change with wheezy
23:55<nevyn>sney: point is this is more capable than a current GMA 450 or similar
23:55<sney>there is also wicd
23:56<sney>nevyn, oh yeah, it's in intel gpu territory for sure
23:56<uofm49426>hey i had a thinkpad x40
23:57<uofm49426>with a gma and it was better then my x1200 ati
23:57<sney>that was probably radeon's fault
23:57<uofm49426>well gl and drives support
23:57<sney>x1200 is pretty low end, as well
23:58<sney>the thinkpad I'm on right now has an x1300 and it runs gnome 3 pretty smoothly
23:58<uofm49426>well even more low end when they dont make drivers
23:59<uofm49426>i had a acer 5515 with that x1200
23:59<sney>'radeon' is the free Xorg driver for ati gpus older than the HD-series. it needs some extra firmware, available separately, to work
23:59<sney>so without the firmware you get visuals but they're super slow visuals.
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