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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-05-05

---Logopened Sat May 05 00:00:59 2012
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00:01<Xel->Hey guys
00:02<craigevil>treborabc, copy one, like i use icedove for thunderbird, copy>save?paste in /usr/share/applications as root
00:02<Xel->I'm having an issue setting my default browser in Wheezy. I've done update-alternatives and stuff, but clicking a link from within gnome still opens up the fricken Gnome Web Browser.
00:02<Xel->What am I missing? Google has failed me.
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00:05<craigevil>did you use the Gnome System settings to set the default also
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00:05<Xel->I did not... let me see if it's an obvious menu item.
00:06<craigevil>System -> Preferences -> Preferred Applications
00:06<craigevil>or somewhere around there
00:07<Xel->No such option exists. Checked the 'Main Menu' to make sure it wasn't hidden, either
00:07<Xel->I've been looking for something like that for hours
00:07<Xel->This is a pretty clean wheezy install.
00:09<craigevil>never used gnome, mozilla wiki says to use Applications -> Desktop Preferences -> Advanced -> Preferred Applications
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00:10<sney>Xel-, yeah, it's in a gui menu. Gnome 3 happily ignores alternatives.
00:11<craigevil>what browser are you wanting to use
00:11<Xel->Firefox.\
00:11<craigevil>firefox or iceweasel?
00:11<sney>I found it a week or so ago but now I don't remember where. hmm
00:11<Xel->sney - I'm honestly not seeing that in my menu, and I'm not a noob... well I'm a noob to screwing with gnome, sort of.
00:11*sney looks
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00:12<Xel->craigevil - firefox
00:12<Xel->The real mccoy
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00:12<craigevil>ok see this link http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1435.html
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00:13<Ariii>Is there anything like Skype except for fvwm? Or AmiWM (I doubt one exists for AmiWM)?
00:13<Xel->Yea I did the update-alternatives thing
00:13<Xel->But gnome isn't honoring it...
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00:13<sney>Xel-, ah, I found it through pidgin preferences. let's see if it's accessible through the main gnome menu.
00:14<sney>Xel-, if you search for 'system info' it comes up. no icon normally though. hmm.
00:14<sney>I'm not a gnome3 expert by any means either, I'm still figuring this out as I go.
00:15<Xel->Search? As in 'locate'/'find'?
00:15<Xel->Or is there some 'search' thing specific to gnome apps?
00:16<sney>as in, the search box that appears when you mouse into the upper left in the default gnome3 setup.
00:16<sney>it's under the notification area.
00:16<sney>it also appears if you hit the windows key, if you have one.
00:17<Xel->Looks like we've got different defaults :\
00:17<craigevil>did you also set> update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser
00:18<sney>craigevil, gnome3 does not care about *any* alternatives.
00:18<sney>I tried all of those myself when searching for this.
00:18<Xel->x-www-browser and gnome-www-browser point to my binary, yes craigevil
00:19<craigevil>ok edit gconf, gconftool-2 --type string \
00:19<craigevil> -s /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command "chromium-browser %s"
00:19<sney>oh, I found it in the system settings - you can scroll down! it's the system info icon.
00:19<craigevil>change of course to say firefox
00:19<sney>craigevil, it's a bit early for workarounds.
00:19<Xel->Oh fuck me
00:19<Xel->Sney I see that now
00:19<craigevil>one command which works rather than looking thru GUI, just had to find the right thread in the forum
00:20<Xel->And that worked too.
00:20<Xel->Thanks sney (and craigevil )
00:20<Xel->You know, they coulda made this easier...
00:21<sney>and now I know too! I can't believe I missed that scroll bar.
00:21<Xel->hehe
00:21<Xel->I missed it too
00:21<Xel->For weeks
00:21<craigevil>thats one of the problems with gnome crap is hidden
00:21<Xel->Thank you guys
00:21<Xel->I appreciate the help
00:22<sney>np
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01:14<scientes>why is autoconf so f'in slow
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01:16<Lancien>Bonjour a Tous et un Agreable Weekend :)
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01:30<rainfyre>hey everyone. is there a deb file that I can download that will install iwconfig to my laptop?
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01:32<Sicelo>rainfyre: you should install that using a package manager. limit installing debs to those (rare) occassions that actually need it
01:32<rainfyre>I actually need it or I wouldn't have asked, thanks for your advice
01:32<rainfyre>I don't have access to a package manager
01:33<Sicelo>why not?
01:33<rainfyre>that's exactly why I need to install iwconfig, so I can connect to a wireless network from the cli
01:33<rainfyre>because I have a fresh squeeze install and no gui
01:33<rainfyre>and no wired connection, only wifi
01:33<rainfyre>so I'm working at connecting to my wifi
01:34<Sicelo>there's at least two cli package managers :P
01:34<Sicelo>apt-get install wireless-tools
01:34<rainfyre>yes and they both require an internet connection
01:34<rainfyre>thanks, I don't have a wired connection
01:34<Sicelo>ah. ok
01:34<Sicelo>well, how will you download the deb then?
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01:35<rainfyre>using a different box and copying the .deb with a flash drive
01:35<Sicelo>and how did you install? i suppose from cd .. that should probably have the wireless tools
01:35<rainfyre>so, do you know where I can find iwconfig?
01:35<rainfyre>I'll check that
01:35<Sicelo>either way, look for 'wireless-tools'
01:36<rainfyre>checking right now :)
01:36<Sicelo>iwconfig is bundled with that
01:36<rainfyre>thank you so much
01:36<Sicelo>yw
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01:36<rainfyre>weird, I'm getting errors from the cd
01:38<fcrs>with slapd in squeeze, instead of trying to insert config changes with ldapmodify, can i just edit the existing files under cn=config and restart the service?
01:38<rainfyre>Sicelo: can you point me to a correct /etc/sources.list example?
01:39<rainfyre>sorry, /etc/apt/sources.list
01:39<Sicelo>hmm, i'm on mobile atm, and i don't have this memorized
01:40<Sicelo>!sources.list
01:40<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
01:40<rainfyre>ok thank you Sicelo
01:40<rainfyre>thank you very much
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01:40<Sicelo>aha.. 'man sources.list' .. it has info about cd
01:41<Sicelo>personally, i'm sure your sources.list already has the appropriate entry for cd
01:41<Sicelo>what errors are you getting?
01:42<rainfyre>no errors, I just want to connect to the online sources
01:42<Sicelo>so now wireless is working?
01:42<rainfyre>yes
01:42<rainfyre>hooked up
01:43<Sicelo>use the stuff from dpkg above.
01:43<rainfyre>ok
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01:43<rainfyre>i had to reinstall squeeze because I borked my install
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01:48<sean>hi all, can someone 'explain it like I'm 5' the differences between the /sys, /proc, and /dev directories?
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01:49<Sicelo>!fhs
01:49<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier".
01:49<Sicelo>sean: ^^
01:50<rainfyre>Sicelo: got my sources list from my other squeeze box, it's updating right now
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01:50<rainfyre>thank you for your help again
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01:50<Sicelo>!congats rainfyre
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01:50<Sicelo>meh.. i forgot the shortcut :P
01:51<sean>dpkg: thank you! the man file was just what i was looking for
01:51<dpkg>my pleasure, sean
01:51<Sicelo>either way, it's kewl rainfyre
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01:54<rainfyre>heh
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02:20<rainfyre>Sicelo: hey
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02:22<rainfyre>Sicelo: wifi is working :) irssi is up and running. no gui yet though :p
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02:22<Sicelo>:)
02:23<rainfyre>Sicelo: I would have never thought to use the cd to apt-get from if you hadn't mentioned it. sometimes the most simple things elude me
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02:25<Sicelo>it's ok ;)
02:27<fcrs>okay, the answer from #openldap is just don't do it, it's not safe
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02:34<coruja>themill, no need to ban noctua in #d-o, if you don't want it to be here you could have told me so
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02:36<coruja>but this way you have banned me too, not to say that it would be a great loss, but i liked hanging around in #d-o too ;)
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02:44<lilibox>hi
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05:28<EmleyMoor>I'm getting this error: mount: could not find any free loop device - but there are plenty not in use. What does it really mean?
05:29<weasel>run losetup -a
05:29<weasel>that'll show you the status of all loop devices.
05:29<weasel>maybe you have set up a few and then forgot about them all?
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05:30<EmleyMoor>weasel: I didn't "forget" - e.g. loop18 shows as one I currently know not to be mounted
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05:30<EmleyMoor>It "forgot" to disuse them on umount, it seems
05:31<simone_>pancia
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05:31<weasel>just how many do you need at any one time, and which version of debian are you using?
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05:32<EmleyMoor>Need 21, 32 defined. Using squeeze.
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05:34<EmleyMoor>It's not that (a) I haven't got enough (b) I have forgotten I'm using some. It's that the system is not consistent stopping using them on umount
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05:36<weasel>is your /etc/mtab a file or a symlink?
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05:37<EmleyMoor>A file. And, it does NOT contain entries for the ones I know are not mounted, nor some of the others losetup -a lists
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05:40<EmleyMoor>I have been using the -d switch to umount to attempt to stop this happening - but it has obviously not made a lot of difference
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05:44<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I'll try to fix the loop device mappings
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05:58<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... now, this is a pain - umount: /win7 mount disagrees with the fstab
05:58<EmleyMoor>How can that happen?
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05:59<nic>ola
05:59<nic>como stais??
05:59<EmleyMoor>!es
05:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
06:00<nic>hello
06:00<nic>!!
06:00<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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06:01<nic>ola
06:01<nic>helo
06:02<nic>hello! how are you I'm new here, from which city are you???
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06:43<DebianLover>hi guys
06:44<DebianLover>what is the best way to check the used space on a hdd from an usblive
06:44<DebianLover>the work must be done by a script
06:44<AgentC_>df
06:45<XReaper>df -h ?
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06:45<XReaper>oh, df is more exact ...
06:46<DebianLover>does it mean that i have to mount the hdd first?
06:46<AgentC_>yes
06:46<DebianLover>ok thanks
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06:53<DebianLover>another question:
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06:54<DebianLover>how can a script identify a ide or ata storage medium?
06:54<DebianLover>* an ide or ata *
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06:55<DebianLover>i think about analysing the output of parted -l
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06:56<DebianLover>are there any other (better) ways
06:56<barping>ciao
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07:10<AgentC_>DebianLover: for usb it would be lsusb , but for ide/ata i dunno
07:10<DebianLover>AgentC_: thanks
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07:11<AgentC_>DebianLover: maybe you could parse dmesg-output for initialized drives
07:13<DebianLover>how does debian-installer do that?
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07:22<AgentC_>DebianLover: take a look to those scripts
07:22<AgentC_>DebianLover: dunno where they placed
07:22<DebianLover>AgentC_: thank again
07:22<DebianLover>AgentC_: thanks again :)
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07:56<rgms>Hi. Anyone familiar with apcupsd? My connection to the master is lost frequently, like every 10 minutes, and being restored almost immediately.
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08:10<gringoire>Hi, I just installed debian, question: how do I enable wireless in network-manager-gtk? I installed firmware-iwlwifi and wireless-tools, restarted network-manager and networking, still see it as "wireless networking - disconnected"
08:11<gringoire>I don't see wlan0 in ifconfig
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08:12<gringoire>iwlist scan leads to wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
08:12<gringoire>Any ideas?
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08:25<gnugr>gringoire: what you get with "iwlist scan"?
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08:28<gnugr>gringoire:also did you try to activate your wifi with keys like "Fn+f2 or Fn+anykey"?
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08:29<ayaka> when i use tightvnc server, it only ask me vncpasswd,not unix passwd, how to let it ask me both vnc passwd and vncpasswd
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08:36<canuta>hola
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08:37<canuta>ganneff?
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08:37<canuta>heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelooooooooooo
08:37<themill>!es-social canuta
08:37<dpkg>canuta: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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09:13<gringoire>gnugr: sorry, was afk. Looks like I used the wrong driver, everything is beautiful now
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09:14<ayaka>Gring could you paste lspci
09:15<Gring>ayaka: I solved my problem with the driver, everything works now
09:16<ayaka>i see,enjoy youself
09:17<Gring>ayaka: looks like I will, debian has made a very nice impression on me in the past two hours :P
09:17<gnugr>Gring:please let us know what you did and what you mean with "wrong driver"
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09:17<lancelot_of>hi there
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09:19<lancelot_of>i've to sftp to a server accessible only through another gateway server, the latter being low disk space, so i cannot move files there and then just sftp to the gateway.how to do it?is it possible?please help
09:19<Gring>I followed http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy , which worked well. Before I installed iwlagn
09:20<gnugr>ok thx
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09:45<mahi>HI
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09:52<mahi>slt tout le monde
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09:53<sney>!fr
09:53<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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10:11<firdaus>hi how to enable touchpad on kde ?
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10:12<sney>touchpad enable/disable is usually via a keyboard combination, like Fn-F8 or wherever it's marked
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10:12<Jogibaer>touchpad-driver installed?
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10:17<knoppix_>si parla italiano?
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10:17<explosive-tom>Hi, im having problems with a debian squeeze netinst - it cant see my hard drives at all. They are Sata (ahci) connected to an Intel ICH8 family controller. It prompts me for a driver. any ideas?
10:19<sney>explosive-tom, those should be supported natively.
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10:19<asiekierka>hello
10:19<explosive-tom>thats what i thought, if i spin up an ubuntu 11.04 netinst it detects my 3 HDDs so ive verfied everything is connected etc..
10:19<asiekierka>so i just changed from a horrible 9600GT to a far better Radeon HD 7770
10:20<asiekierka>the question is, how to uninstall nvidia's bloated semi-propiertary drivers
10:20<asiekierka>and install more... AMD-y ones
10:20<babilen>asiekierka: How did you install the nvidia drivers?
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10:20<asiekierka>babilen: IIRC i used their .run
10:20<asiekierka>because it was newer and generally faster
10:21<ayaka>asiekierka nvidia-unistaller?(i forgot the currect cmd)
10:22<babilen>asiekierka: Well, that is unfortunate (fwiw, you can get a newer NVIDIA driver from backports, *never* ever use their .run)
10:22<babilen>!nvidia remove
10:22<explosive-tom>sney, any idea what the driver is called - i cant see anything useful in the list that the installer bring up.
10:22<babilen>!remove nvidia
10:22<dpkg>remove nvidia is, like, as root type "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall"
10:22<asiekierka>okay
10:22<asiekierka>now, how to install amd drivers
10:22<babilen>asiekierka: Try that ^^^ but I have *no idea* if that actually works. You might have messed up your GL links in some horrible way that is hard to repair.
10:23<babilen>!tell asiekierka about radeon
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10:23<ayaka>but why don't use nvidia run file,just dkms problem?
10:24<babilen>asiekierka: I would recommend to use xserver-xorg-video-radeon, but you have to make sure that you install the firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri -- You *might* need a newer version of Xorg from backports and/or a newer kernel though. (/msg dpkg bdo kernel ; /msg dpkg bdo xorg)
10:25<asiekierka>okay, rebooting
10:25<babilen>asiekierka: You probably also have some legacy /etc/X11/xorg.conf around that you want to move away/delete. If you need some specific configuration use a xorg.conf snippet in <xorg.conf.d> (e.g. for your trackpad)
10:25<asiekierka>let's see if nVidia hates me...
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10:25<asiekierka>okay then
10:26<asiekierka>rebooting and hoping nVidia doesn't hate my life for using their .runs
10:26<nick_>Holo
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10:26<sney>explosive-tom, it's just stuff like 'ahci' 'ata_piix' and 'ata_generic'
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10:27<sney>explosive-tom, maybe poke through your bios settings and see if there's any kind of 'advanced' option enabled that only supports windows etc? some motherboards have silly things like that
10:28<sney>oh and make sure your drives all have data and power
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10:29<explosive-tom>sney, there is both a sata intel ich8 contoller for AHCI and a jmicron controller for pata. i have disabled the pata controller so only ahci is enabled, all drives have data and power.
10:29<explosive-tom>(they are detected in windows and by the ubuntu netinst)
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10:30<explosive-tom>there are no drivers in the list called ahci or ata_*
10:30<sney>huh, well that's seriously weird
10:30<sney>yeah, they would be loaded already
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10:30<asiekierka>okay, so
10:30<asiekierka>good news is that some kind of drivers are working
10:30<asiekierka>bad news is that running Xfce slowed the system down to a halt
10:30<asiekierka>i guess a reinstall of something is needed
10:30<asiekierka>can it be Compiz?
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10:31<asiekierka>as in, should i uninstall it for the time being
10:31<babilen>asiekierka: yay! :( -- Please paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "glxinfo" to http://paste.debian.net
10:31<sney>asiekierka, yeah, you defaulted back to either vesa or nouveau after removing the nvidia driver. now babilen will tell you how to install the nvidia driver correctly
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10:31<asiekierka>sney - i'm using AMD now
10:31<sney>or fglrx as the case may be
10:31<asiekierka>babilen - fun! i'm on the command line
10:32<babilen>asiekierka: Oh, you should still have that Xorg.0.log (or .old) -- Did you make sure that you removed the old nvidia-specific xorg.conf (or whatever you used to configure xorg to use nvidia)
10:32<asiekierka>yup
10:32<asiekierka>it does detect the radeon driver
10:32<asiekierka>trying to figure out whether it loaded that or vresa
10:33<asiekierka>vesa*
10:33<asiekierka>let's try to run xdm on lightdm
10:33<asiekierka>xterm*
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10:33<babilen>asiekierka: Could you paste "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" in here please?
10:33<babilen>hd 7700 is pretty new isn't it?
10:34<explosive-tom>sney, my dmesg is full of "sd_mod unknown symbol scsi_cmd_*" type messages
10:34<asiekierka>babilen - 7770, also yes
10:34<babilen>asiekierka: Which version of Debian are you using?
10:34<asiekierka>can't copypaste without gpm so here goes rewriting
10:34<babilen>asiekierka: Ah, then just copy the [asbd:1234] at the end
10:34<asiekierka>wheezy
10:34<asiekierka>squeeze was too old for me and my tastes
10:35<babilen>asiekierka: Ok, we have a specific channel (#debian-next) for testing/unstable support fwiw
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10:35<sney>explosive-tom, did you verify the netinst image you downloaded?
10:35<babilen>Hmm, looks as if that GPU was released earlier this year. I wonder if there is any driver that supports that card yet. :)
10:35<explosive-tom>ages ago
10:35<explosive-tom>i use it all the time
10:35<explosive-tom>i pxe-boot it
10:36<sney>huh.
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10:40<sney>explosive-tom, maybe try an installer with a newer kernel? http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
10:40<sney>ich8 isn't "new" by a stretch but I can't think of anything else atm
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10:43<explosive-tom>ok.
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10:44<explosive-tom>its really odd, i dmesg I can see that it find 3 hdd's and 2 dvd roms (all sata) but then just spits out the same errors from `sd_mod` and `cdrom` over and oer
10:45<sney>yeah, that points to installer issues.
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10:48<explosive-tom>i might try updating the installer on my pxe server first
10:49<sney>yeah, give it a shot, if it's "ages" old as you said it probably isn't 6.0.4
10:49<explosive-tom>i think its 6.0.1
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10:52<explosive-tom>huzzah! that worked (why didnt i think of updating that in the first place!) thanks for your help sney :)
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10:52<sney>explosive-tom, no problem
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12:17<Pitxyoki>Hi everyone.
12:18<heikkila>hey
12:18<Pitxyoki>Does anyone know what's going to be the rationale for iceweasel on stable/testing for the upcoming versions?
12:18<Pitxyoki>Currently testing has 10.*-esr.
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12:18<Pitxyoki>Is it going to stay with the esr until the next stable is released?
12:18<sney_>stable will have some form of *esr
12:18<Pitxyoki>...and only then will it get the newer versions?
12:19<sney_>which version that will be will become known when wheezy freezes.
12:19<sney_>it'll probably be 10 or 11 since the freeze is coming up soon.
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12:20<Pitxyoki>And the plan is for testing to get a newer version right after the release or will it only get ESRs from now on?
12:20<Pitxyoki>And the "release" versions will only get to experimental?
12:21<sney_>good question.
12:21<Pitxyoki>:-)
12:21<sney_>since testing is a test platform for building a stable release, it follows that they will stick with ESRs
12:22<sney_>"release" versions may be restricted to the mozilla.debian.net backports
12:22<Pitxyoki>Otoh, I guess many desktop users of testing are willing to use the release versions.
12:23<sney_>yeah, if CUT becomes a thing, it may get the release versions
12:24<sney_>!tell Pitxyoki -about debian cut
12:25<Pitxyoki>I know about it.
12:25<Pitxyoki>:)
12:25<Pitxyoki>For too long without anything visible happening there, unfortunately.
12:26<sney_>yeah, it's an interesting idea, but there's some debate about whether it's even worth doing
12:26<sney_>plus now that we're getting closer to the wheezy freeze, d-ds and d-ms are going to be focusing on that primarily
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12:31<burnerator>!topic
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12:51<Yoshimi-pink>I want to fully install my own program into my operating system i dont know how
12:51<Yoshimi-pink>I'm wanting to learn how to write a .dep package
12:51<movl>deb?
12:51<babilen>Yoshimi-pink: What do you mean by that? What is your "own program" ? Do you want to learn how to create Debian packages?
12:52<movl>Yoshimi-pink: http://www.debian.org/doc/
12:52<Yoshimi-pink>I wrote a program and now i want it installed on my computer the same way firefox is
12:52<babilen>Yoshimi-pink: Which operating system or distribution are you using?
12:52<movl>new maintainers' giude and the developer reference
12:52<movl>*guide
12:53<babilen>And ^^^
12:53<Yoshimi-pink>no
12:53<babilen>no?
12:53<Yoshimi-pink>wrong place forgot who i was taling to
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12:53<Yoshimi-pink>it jsut everything has to be hard doesn't it?
12:53<babilen>Which OS/distribution are you using? For which do you want to create packages?
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12:54<Yoshimi-pink>im not tryin to go all out and make my own foundation i just have a python script and i want it to run by typing in the command
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12:54<movl>Yoshimi-pink: if you can write a full program, creating a deb will be a walk in the park
12:54<Yoshimi-pink>not ./command
12:54<movl>oh
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12:54<movl>copy iy to a location that's in the PATH
12:54<movl>s/iy/it
12:55<movl>like /usr/local/bin
12:55<Yoshimi-pink>the thing is i dont know where to start and i'm not reading ten volumes of info to learn what could be an easy solution
12:55<movl>or modify PATH
12:55<babilen>Yoshimi-pink: I would recommend to ask in #ubuntu-packaging, read Debian's NMG Guide (new maint) and read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
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12:55<movl>Yoshimi-pink: are you not using Debian?
12:55<babilen>Yoshimi-pink: Ah, #ubuntu-packaging is (like all other Ubuntu channels) on irc.freenode.net
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12:56<babilen>movl: Ubuntu AFAICT
12:56<movl>well then, the answer is simple (see above)
12:57<babilen>Yoshimi-pink also left already, so meh ...
12:57<movl>didn't notice
12:57*babilen recommends to /unignore QUITS PARTS JOINS
12:57<movl>why do so many ubuntu users come to Debian's channels?
12:57<babilen>movl: Lets take it to #debian-offtopic, OK?
12:58<movl>right
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13:28<erik>hello
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13:31<Lancien>!ppa
13:31<dpkg>[ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>.
13:34<Lancien>You can update your system with unsupported packages from this untrusted PPA by adding ppa:aking1012-com/aircrack-precise to your system's Software Sources. *
13:34<Lancien>? wath should i do
13:34<themill>"don't"
13:34<movl>create your own Debian package
13:35<Lancien>thanks movl
13:37<ompaul>!sns
13:37<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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13:49<Pitxyoki>lol
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14:05<erik>hello
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14:18<Gring>Hi there, question #2 for today. apt-get autoremove somehow removed network-manager. How do I get out of the situation? :P
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14:19<achys>hola
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14:20<Gring>I tried pointing souces.list to the flash drive I used to install debian, but wasn't able to install it from there; currently downloading it as .deb from another OS, any better ideas meanwhile?
14:21<movl>Gring: are you using DHCP?
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14:22<Gring>movl: I am
14:22<movl>how about 'dhclient eth0' then?
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14:24<xubuntu>hola
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14:24<ompaul>xubuntu: wrong server, wrong channel ;-)
14:24<ompaul>!ubuntuirc
14:24<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
14:24<movl>and this is not the first time
14:25<Gring>movl: nice, didn't know you could to that. Will reboot and try
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14:25<movl>Gring: why reboot?
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14:35<Gring>movl: I'm ssh-ing to a shell server to get on irc. Dual boot with xubuntu. Anyway this worked well, thanks for the help!
14:36<movl>yw
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15:10<dawid>Siema
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15:13<dawid>Zbudował ktoś by paczke deb ejabberd 2.1.11 ? Bo własnie wydali nową wersje
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15:14<movl>!pl
15:14<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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15:50<Drain>hi, my pc got frozen when is alone why my machne does?
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15:58<kop>Drain: Perhaps this:
15:59<kop>!suspend troubleshooting
15:59<dpkg>A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-RAM and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Suspend_to_RAM and http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Suspend_to_disk . The tools it references are available in the Debian <uswsusp> package. See also http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt
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16:09<kop>!acpi
16:09<dpkg>Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) is a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken, or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or generally better than <APM>. For a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/ . See also <acpid>, <suspend>.
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16:34<treborab>Anyone know of an IP blocker that uses IP lists to block IPs?
16:36<kop>treborab: Every firewall does that. If you don't want to use raw iptables use firm, or possibly shorewall. But there's no substitute for understanding what you're doing and on Linux that means at least being able to read iptables.
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16:36<treborab>ok.
16:36<kop>treborab: Oops ferm.
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16:37<treborab>Can I input mass IP blocking ranges on a firewall though?
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16:38<kop>treborab: I'm sure, although I don't use iptables much. You may have to read the instructions. (I'd probably dynmically update a separate chain, or something like that. There may be better ways.)
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16:39<sney_>last I checked, shorewall supported range filtering
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16:40<sney_>I haven't used it in years though
16:40<treborab>ok I'll look into that. On why windows systems I use peerblock.
16:40<treborab>*my
16:41<kop>sney_: iptables/firm supports range blocking too, iirc. But if you've lots of IPs and can't subnet them then there's no substitute for a list.
16:41<movl>nothing beats raw iptables
16:41<kop>*sigh* ferm
16:42<movl>my 2 cents
16:42<kop>movl: Have you tried pf on Openbsd? Much better IMO.
16:43<sney_>well, you don't lose functionality with shorewall/ferm, it just makes the configs a bit more human-readable. much better 2 years down the line when you come upon something you implemented previously and have to figure out why/what it does
16:43<movl>kop: true
16:43<sney_>or worse, maintain someone else's
16:43<kop>sney_: Exactly.
16:43<kop><syntatic sugar>
16:44<sney_>firewalls should be set and forget in the majority of cases, so ideally you shouldn't be up to your neck in iptables all the time and become familiar with it that way
16:44*kop thinks sney_ has high ideals ;-)
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17:00<dragos>hi all
17:00<dragos>i have a problem with my sinaptic touchpad....
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17:01<dragos>someone hekp me?
17:01<movl>state your problem
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17:01<movl>!ask
17:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:01<kop>!synaptics
17:01<dpkg>Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. Not working? -> "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>.
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17:16<dragos>after install xserver synaptics not workkin scroll
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17:17<movl>dragos: you might want to use ksynaptics or something similar to set up scroll , tap and so on
17:18<dragos>hi movl
17:18<dragos>where i find ksynaptics?
17:18<movl>in the repos?
17:19<devil>nah, afaik it's gone
17:19<movl>really?
17:19<dragos>i installed this..but i find...
17:19<devil>installed it from?
17:19<dragos>what command write after install?
17:20<devil>huh?
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17:20<devil>dragos: newer version of synaptics is broken
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17:21<canaima>hola
17:21<canaima>hola
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17:21<dragos>and what should i do?
17:22<devil>dragos: best use the old version that works
17:22<movl>paste the output of lsmod somewhere
17:22<devil>movl: somewhere is bad advice as it includes the channel ;)
17:23<movl>right :) dpaste.org
17:24<dragos>devil how install this old version and how remove current version?
17:24<devil>apt-get purge foo
17:25<dragos>and install old version?
17:25<devil>depends on what version of debian you are on
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17:27<dragos>how do i know this?
17:27<dragos>my version?
17:27<movl>cat /etc/release
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17:29<dragos>cat: /etc/release: No such file or directory
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17:29<movl>wtf
17:29<devil>dragos: are you using debian?
17:29<dragos>yes
17:30<devil>you need to do it as root
17:30<movl>no
17:30<devil> /etc is gods own country
17:30<movl>it ain't there
17:30<movl>I tried on my testing machine
17:31<dragos>root@debian:/etc/modprobe.d# cat /etc/release
17:31<dragos>cat: /etc/release: No such file or directory
17:31<movl>dragos seems to be right
17:31<chealer>!tell dragos about debian suite
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17:32<s_i_m> cat /etc/debian_version
17:32<movl>forgot about that
17:32<chealer>dragos: you must want kde-config-touchpad. but that's quite painful on Debian 6.
17:32<dragos>how know about my debian version?
17:32<chealer>!version
17:33<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>.
17:33<dragos>i have gnome no kde
17:33<chealer>!debian suite
17:33<dpkg>cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
17:33<dragos>Linux version 2.6.32-5-686
17:34<chealer>dragos: then why are you looking for ksynaptiks?
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17:34<chealer>dragos: that's your Linux version. but you must be using Debian 6.
17:35<dragos>6.0.4
17:36<dragos>bash: ksynaptiks: command not found
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17:40<movl>it's synaptics
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17:41<devil>dragos: as i said, ksynaptiks is gone and ou would not want it anways becasue you have gnome
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17:42<dragos>and in gnome not works?
17:42<devil>sure it does, but it pulls in a lot of its kde friends
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17:43<devil>but there is also gsynaptics
17:43<devil>dragos: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-synaptics to a pastebin please
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17:45<dragos>http://pastebin.com/ZFcLEeT7
17:45<movl>good
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17:45<devil>dragos: that version should work
17:46<devil>so tr configuring it
17:46<dragos>?
17:46<devil>gsynaptics
17:46<movl>try configuring it
17:46<movl>with gsynaptics
17:47<oskie>what program updates the /initrd.img symlink?
17:47*movl feels a bit like a parrot
17:47<dragos>gsynaptics...how run this
17:48<dragos>?
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17:51<devil>dragos: from console
17:52<dragos>write gsypaptics?
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17:52<devil>gsynaptics & as user
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17:53<dragos>dragos@debian:/etc/modprobe.d$ gsynaptics
17:53<dragos>bash: gsynaptics: command not found
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17:54<movl>dragos: did you install it?
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17:54<dragos>apt-get install gsynaptics?
17:54<movl>yeah
17:55<dragos>gsynaptics is already the newest version.
17:55<dragos>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
17:56<sney_>gsynaptics is a dummy package, the actual one is gpointing-device-settings
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18:28<wes>hi everyone! wanna ask a question about acpi/suspend etc
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18:29<ompaul>!ask
18:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:29<ompaul>wes: and note very important the I'm running Debian version foo info
18:30<wes>ok! i'm trying to configure suspending when closing notebook lid without using power manager like gnome-p.m. or xfce4-p.m.
18:30<wes>running fluxbox on wheezy
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18:30<wes>so, i'm following http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne
18:31<wes>and edit /etc/acpi/lid.sh
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18:32<wes>em... so, the problem is that when actually the computer suspends and i awake it, it goes on suspending second time
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18:33<ompaul>wes: that last line does not parse - and I'm no good with this stuff, but I don't understand your last line - it goes on suspending second time
18:34<wes>maybe it's my bad english, sorry
18:34<ompaul>perhaps it never wakes up perhaps do you need to tell it to wake up twice or what?
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18:34<wes>i meant that the action repeats
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18:35<ompaul>suspend -> it goes asleep -> (1) it wakes up only to go asleep straight away (2) something else
18:35<wes>all that i'm doing is closing the lid and then opening it and pressing any key to wake up the machine
18:35<wes>ompaul, looks like that, yup
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18:36<wes>/etc/acpi/lid.sh contents: #!/bin/sh
18:36<wes>grep -q open /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID0/state && exit 0
18:36<wes>/usr/sbin/pm-suspend
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18:36<elops>anyone can help me with a makefile?
18:37<ompaul>wes: so you appear to have the suspend line in your script
18:37<elops>Im stuck with a GNU makefile code. anyone willing to have a look, look here please: http://pastebin.com/gDKNmdAn (line 32 is where it fails)
18:37<ompaul>wes: so remove the last line with a #
18:37<wes>and the /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn contents is: event=button[ /]lid
18:37<wes>action=/etc/acpi/lid.sh
18:38<wes>ompaul, ok, gonna try it
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18:38<ompaul>wes: no expert, but that looks logical
18:38<movl>elops: what is the fail message?
18:38<elops>where can i ask such question?
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18:39<movl>elops: what is the fail message?
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18:40<elops>what do u mean
18:40<scientes>how can i run android apps on debian?
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18:41<movl>elops: when you run make, it fails at line 32 and giving you a message telling you what went wrong
18:41<movl>elops: and please try to avoid 'u' and similar stuff
18:41<elops>ok
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18:43<ompaul>scientes: something to do with the andriod sdk and java needing to be installed - seems like a lot of pain
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18:43<ompaul>scientes: I think you need to use a search engine more than here for that
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19:00<oskie>I'm on testing. It is possible to install just one package from sid?
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19:01<anbe>!tell oskie -about tum
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19:02<oskie>anbe: spot on. thanks!
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19:06<oskie>man-db is slow over nfs :)
19:06<ompaul>oskie: use it on the web
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19:09<UnknownFork>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ - What is the difference between debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso, debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-2.iso, debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-2.iso, etc?
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19:10<movl>UnknownFork: the 1st is bootable , the rest are not
19:10<UnknownFork>Okay
19:10<movl>if you have a good internet connection, use netinst
19:10<petemc>UnknownFork: the first cd has the installer and some popular packages, the others contain packages
19:11<petemc>also, 2 of the 3 you mentioned are the same
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19:11<UnknownFork>Typo
19:11<petemc>yes
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19:15<UnknownFork>Why isn't 1.1 on the ftp?
19:15<UnknownFork>0.90 is
19:16<ompaul>UnknownFork: read it again, you're question may need some context, updatecd is updated
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20:45<gynaekologe>amphi? :D
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20:50<archer>hi,
20:51<archer>i dont know the relationships between xorg and gdm and gnome?
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20:54<Gerowen>archer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Display_Manager
20:54<gdb>xorg is the X server, it's what puts graphics (of all kinds) in the screen. gdm is the GNOME Display Manager and manages access to the display (the graphics are still coming from xorg). GNOME is the programming framework in which gdm and the GNOME Desktop Environment are written. Once you pass the credentials check by gdm, it starts a copy of the desktop for you and logs you into it.
20:54<gdb>(at all times, the graphics on the screen are put there by xorg)
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22:01<amitz>what's the equivalent of gmtp, but thinner, preferably console based
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22:07<Czater>Hey
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22:13<Czater>Guest734: hi
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22:18<Czater>!pl
22:18<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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22:35<SomeGuy2>rm
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22:35<Czater>SomeGuy2: hey
22:35<UnknownFork>What was the first release to have PowerPC support?
22:35<SomeGuy2><Czater>: hey, sorry i accidently did type here in this channel
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22:36<Czater>SomeGuy2: you know maybe how bulid deb for debian squeeze?
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22:37<SomeGuy2><Czater>: i didn't understand your question
22:37<SomeGuy2>can you give more details?
22:38<Czater>SomeGuy2: ejabberd team creat new ver, maybe users can compile to deb,ejabberd-2.1.11
22:38<gsimmons>UnknownFork: Potato (2.2) IIRC.
22:38<UnknownFork>okay
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22:38<Czater>SomeGuy2: you know ejabberd?
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22:38<SomeGuy2>oh, and you don't want to wait for debian packages?
22:38<SomeGuy2>no, i don't know
22:38<SomeGuy2>but i think you can creat the .deb with "checkinstall"
22:38<SomeGuy2>or "check_install"
22:39<Czater>SomeGuy2: in repo is old ver
22:39<Czater>SomeGuy2: maybe you can creat deb and paste to repo?
22:40<SomeGuy2>sorry, i can't, but it's not complicated
22:40<SomeGuy2>a quick search for check_install will show you how
22:40<Czater>SomeGuy2: now i use irc from my server jabber :-D
22:43<UnknownFork>Would Potato run on the original iBook clamshell?
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22:46<UnknownFork>It says it only runs on Power mac power pc macs
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22:49<sney>UnknownFork, it should run, the trick is booting
22:49<UnknownFork>okay
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22:57<Czater>ping
22:57<stOrm>Czater: not ping
22:57<Czater>commands
22:57<stOrm>Czater: sent to private
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23:12<terco>hi?
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23:46<Guest740>dove posso parlare italiano?
23:47<sig_wall>!it
23:47<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
23:47<Guest740>grazie
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23:57<Guest740>Hi, I can not configure the keyboard in Italian
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