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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-05-06

---Logopened Sun May 06 00:01:03 2012
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00:55<Guest746>Hi, I can not remember the administrator password, how can I do
00:56<scientes>Guest417, hold shift as you boot up, and then hit "e" in grub, and then add "init=/bin/bash" to the end of the boot line
00:56<scientes>then hit "b" or enter to boot, and when you get a terminal, type "passwd"
00:56<scientes>and then set your root password
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00:56<scientes>then "reboot" to reboot back to normal
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01:10<chealer>!forgot root password
01:10<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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01:11<scientes>chealer, hey, you! stop disqualifying my comments :)
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01:15<sney>scientes, notice that the guy left a full 9 minutes before chealer triggered that anyway
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01:16<chealer>it's dpkg
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02:09<Osiris_X>is it possible to download source from an Ubuntu ppa repository on using Debian?
02:10<sney>anything is possible but that's a bad idea
02:11<sney>if you want something that's not in debian, build it from source; if you want something that's in debian but you want a newer version than what's in stable, see backports, ssb, and uupdate (in that order); don't install binary packages from other operating systems
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02:13<sney>hmm, and I'm pretty sure ppas are binary-only, they don't offer deb-src
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03:08<mhall119>Osiris_X: Ubuntu PPA are just debian repositories
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03:20<scientes>http://i.imgur.com/KmiMA.jpg
03:20<scientes>Osiris_X, mhall119 except they only build against ubuntu
03:21<mhall119>scientes: well yes, but as a consumer of packages you can treat them like any other debian repo and apt-get source them
03:22<ml|>mhall119: does not matter; mixing pacakges from ubuntu is a very bad idea, do as sney suggests
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03:23<mhall119>ml|: why is that?
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03:24<ml|>mhall119: /msg dpkg bod
03:25<mhall119>ml|: being in a PPA and not Universe, I would assume that means the package isn't in Debian at all
03:25<mhall119>but, duly noted
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03:28<ml|>don't know about ubuntu stuff, but it is better to build from source, make your own .deb, etc.. than mix debian with ubuntu; but do as you like
03:29<mhall119>well if he wanted to build from source, apt-get source would be a good place to start wouldn't it?
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03:33<ml|>only if it is in debian already[main repo], yes
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04:19<CXIV>Hello
04:19<CXIV>How change nouveau driver to nv?
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04:20<devil>CXIV: nv is dead
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04:21<CXIV>devil You mean not supported?
04:21<devil>CXIV: no, i mean deprecated, on it's way out
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04:22<devil>it's gone from sid and from testing, don't know about stable
04:22<CXIV>I have installed debian on old pc with GF4 card and nouveau its slow.
04:22<CXIV>is slow.
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04:23<devil>CXIV: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-nv
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04:24<CXIV>Anyway , is there any script like nvidia-xconfig to generate xorg file?
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04:24<devil>still in squeeze
04:24<devil>CXIV: xorg.conf is aldo depricated :)
04:24<CXIV>Thanks :)
04:24<devil>also
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04:25<devil>and seldomly needed with free driovers
04:25<CXIV>So how change nouveau to nv?
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04:25<CXIV>To boot with nv driver.
04:25<CXIV>Not nouveau.
04:26<devil>install the file, remove nouveau
04:26<CXIV>Well
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04:27<devil>apt-get purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau && apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv
04:27<devil>reboot
04:27<CXIV>It also require xserver-xorg-video-all to be removed.
04:28<devil>require?
04:29<craigevil>-all is just a metapackage that installs all the xorg drivers
04:29<Guest753>Hi, I have finished installing knoppix 6.7 with the command knoppix lang = en, I followed the steps but now will not start, what can I do?
04:29<devil>if xserver-xorg-video-all gets removed i would install xserver-xorg-video-vesa and xserver-xorg-video-fbdev to be on the safe side
04:30<devil>Guest753: does this channel say #knoppix?
04:30<craigevil>Guest753, ask in #knoppix
04:30<Guest753>Hi, I have finished installing knoppix 6.7 with the command knoppix lang = it, I followed the steps but now will not start, what can I do?
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04:30<Guest753>ok
04:30<Dmitry>devil, looks like it doesn't, man
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04:31<devil>Dmitry: huh? doesn't what?
04:31<Dmitry>devil, this channel doesn't say ;knoppix; ;)
04:31<devil>at least I can't see it
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04:32<craigevil>its sunday so it says, ubuntu, lmde, mint, knoppix, etc :) along with how do i get my windows games to work on lunix
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04:33<CXIV>I cannot change refresh rate on nv :D
04:33<craigevil>!sunday
04:33<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
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04:33<Dmitry>craigevil, you'd better use windows for that, buddy
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04:33<craigevil>hell no havent touched windows since 2004
04:34<CXIV>Is there any script like nvidia-xconfig to generate xorg file?
04:34<CXIV>Because I did "xrandr -r 85" and I get"
04:34<CXIV>Rate 85.0 Hz not available for this size"
04:35<CXIV>Anyway to force refresh rate?
04:35<CXIV>Or something :)
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04:38<scientes>craigevil, lol
04:38<scientes>however, you were also the one that trolled me earlier today
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04:41<stone>test 测试
04:42<s_i_m>failed
04:42<stone>
04:43<s_i_m>at least here. seems I do not have the font required
04:43<craigevil>oriental font
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05:20<dizzylizzy>in order for keyboard options entered into /etc/default/keyboard, do I have to actually have a xorg.conf file?
05:20<dizzylizzy>i have run setupcon, i have rebooted, and the option I put in there still does not take effect
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05:28<Osiris_X>mhall119: but the ubuntu repository syntax has "ppa:" in it. Will that work in an apt-get sources line?
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05:31<craigevil>Osiris_X, do not I repeat do not use a Ubuntu PPA in Debian
05:32<craigevil>even trying to use a -src line may or may not work
05:32<Osiris_X>craigevil: I know! I just need to get a package source from this particular repository - they are building against Debian and Ubuntu from the source - but the source is only on ppa
05:32<craigevil>what package?
05:32<Osiris_X>ps3mediaserver
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05:33<craigevil>Osiris_X, see https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/Home under Multimedia there is a Debian repo
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05:34<craigevil>no idea how updated it might be, but it has a deb-src repo
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05:36<Osiris_X>craigevil: paissad is not really in the game anymore happy-neko has taken over (and his packaging source which was no doubt taken from mine and paissad's work - is on a ppa)
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05:40<craigevil>ah ok, updated the info on my list, addedd the forum post and made a note the paissad was outdated
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05:41<craigevil>have you tried just downloading the source package? https://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/downloads/detail?name=pms-generic-linux-unix-1.52.1.tgz
05:42<Osiris_X>craigevil: the bit I'm interested in, is what evolution happy-neko has done with the packaging / 'debian/' directory
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05:44<Osiris_X>craigevil: it was challenging to package this thing - and I have not done it in a while. I remember having trouble building against openjdk7 and the new multi-lib structure - I was wondering if happy-neko solved these issues
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05:49<craigevil>no openjdk7 on my laptop, the dev went nuts and made it depend on a bunch of gnome crap
05:49<devil>argh
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05:51<grandbora>d
05:51<craigevil>18 newly installed package would install including gvfs, bonobo, and other gnome cruft
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05:51<craigevil>atm im actually using Oracle Java 1.6.0_32
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07:19<unifiedlinux>Hi everyone
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07:22<valerie>bjr
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07:23<valerie>comment sa marche
07:24<valerie>je suis nouvelle ici pourrait -on m'aider
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07:24<movl>!fr
07:24<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
07:25<valerie>oui et je le trouve ou ?
07:25<movl>je parle pas Francais
07:26<movl>valerie: #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net
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07:27<valerie>ok merci
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09:12<jack27>salut
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09:50<treborabc>Has anyone here installed adobe flashplayer (or know how) in Debian Squeeze?
09:50<themill>dpkg: tell treborabc about adobe flash
09:51<treborabc>I tried apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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09:57<devil_>and?
09:59<treborabc>oh yeah
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10:00<treborabc>It said it wasn't available but reference by another package. that whole noise. I also tried flashplayer-mozilla and it returned an error regarding (--configure)
10:00<treborabc>dpkg: error processing flashplayer-mozilla (--configure):
10:00<dpkg>treborabc: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
10:01<treborabc>k
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10:02<treborabc>http://pastebin.com/bGY1LuDH
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10:25<sloop666>HI
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10:35<draive>hi всем. подскажите как смонтировать .мдф образ
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10:36<devil_>!ru
10:36<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
10:37<draive>ок
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10:46<ljsoftnet>hello peope
10:46<ljsoftnet>hello people
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10:48<zeropiel>if I want to build a new kernel using the gcc on my system, will it automatically configure the configuration?
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11:21<masando>hi all
11:21<masando>is there a way to change the tty size at runtime?
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11:27<sney>masando, tty size? like the framebuffer resolution? you may be able to reload the framebuffer module with different parameters
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11:28<masando>i would like to change rows and cols at runtime
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11:28<masando>when i connect to stty the console size changes as the windows size changes
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11:30<masando>but in tty the video mode is static
11:30<masando>80x30
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11:32<ST0NE>Hi , can someone help me ? Im using ubuntu 12.04 and just did some wrong setting on my admin account with compiz ... now when I log into my account I see just black background and launcher dont start ... I can do nothing there , is there some possible way how to restore it ?
11:33<sney>!ubuntuirc ST0NE
11:33<dpkg>ST0NE: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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11:45<cLov3r>hello. i am r debian newbie, trying to set up printing on my kodak printer
11:45<cLov3r>i am receiving an error cups_insecure_filter
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11:46<cLov3r>a google search tells me that this can be fixed by making sure that all files in /usr/lib/cups/filter and /usr/lib/cups/backend are owned and grouped to root
11:47<kop>cLov3r: How did you install cups and the driver?
11:47<cLov3r>cups was already installed
11:47<cLov3r>i added a printer through the localhost
11:47<cLov3r>using a ppd (?) file
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11:47<cLov3r>ppf file?
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11:47<kop>cLov3r: You downloaded the ppd file yourself?
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11:47<cLov3r>yes
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11:48<cLov3r>found it on a penguin forum with a google search
11:49<kop>cLov3r: While there's nothing wrong with that it's often unnecessary. (See http://wiki.debain.org/DebianSoftware, especially footnote 1, for an overview of installing software on debian.)
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11:49<kop>cLov3r: So, you probably need to make the ppd file owned by root. (Good research.) So, that'd be "chown root:root whateverfile", while logged in as root.
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11:50<cLov3r>does it matter where the ppd file is stored?
11:50<kop>cLov3r: Would you like me to see about finding the right debian package to install instead of doing the download? I don't know if it's worth it, if it works anyway.
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11:51<kop>cLov3r: Probably not, although in the larger sense you want an organized system. (That's what packages are good for.)
11:51<kop>cLov3r: Using packages also means you get upgrades, etc., automatically.
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11:51<cLov3r>yeah using the best method would be helpful to know
11:52<cLov3r>if you have the time, i appreciate it :)
11:52<kop>cLov3r: (Printers are a pain.) What printer make/model?
11:52<cLov3r>kodak esp 7
11:52<kop>cLov3r: I might leave any random moment, but perhaps someone else will pick it up.
11:53<cLov3r>ok
11:53<cLov3r>you've been very helpful already :)
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11:53<cLov3r>kop: thanks
11:53<kop>cLov3r: Generally, linuxprinting.org tells you what driver/etc. to use. (It's now redircted to the linux foundation, but the old domain still works.)
11:53<cLov3r>kop: (are personally addressed messages better protocol?)
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11:54<kop>cLov3r: No, we talk to the channel here.
11:55<kop>cLov3r: Let's see, the Open Printing Database....
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11:55<kop>cLov3r: printer listings...
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11:55<cLov3r>database says works Partially
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11:56<cLov3r>recommended driver c2esp
11:56<kop>cLov3r: (Usually outside resources like this arn't part of figuring out what to do, but printers are different.)
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11:56<cLov3r>so what now? apt-get install c2esp?
11:57<kop>cLov3r: We want to find the package with c2esp. The <search> factoid is helpful.
11:57<kop>!search
11:57<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>.
11:57<kop>cLov3r: In this case, either apt-cache or apt-file will work.
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11:58<kop>cLov3r: I'm not really good with apt-cache, but for printers and firmware the maintainters have made sure that "apt-cache search ..." works, I think they make sure the description is "right".
11:59<cLov3r>what does apt-cache mean?
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11:59<cLov3r>and how do i use it?
11:59<craigevil>if you have a general idea aptitude search ~d is usually better, if you are totally clueless about a package apt-cache search works put outputs a ton of crap
12:00<craigevil>cLov3r, apt-cache search packagename
12:00<kop>cLov3r: Both apt-cache and apt-file are commands. The <apt-file> syntax means it's a factoid that the irc bot knows.
12:00<kop>!tell cLov3r about msg the bot
12:00<craigevil>apt-file is a separate package , install it then run apt-file update, before trying to do apt-file search
12:01<cLov3r>... is craigevil the bot?
12:02<cLov3r>apologies :P still new and confoozed
12:02<kop>cLov3r: Nopee.
12:02<kop>cLov3r: dpkg is (one of) the bots
12:02<kop>cLov3r: Well well, I'm not finding it (in stable). Let's see....
12:03<cLov3r>ah. thanks. so much to learn. wowzer
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12:04<craigevil>,versions printer-driver-c2esp
12:04<judd>Package: printer-driver-c2esp on i386 -- wheezy: 24-1; sid: 24-2
12:04<craigevil>,versions c2esp
12:04<judd>Package: c2esp on i386 -- wheezy: 24-1; sid: 24-2
12:04<craigevil>its not in stable
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12:05<kop>cLov3r: You're running stable, right?
12:05<cLov3r>yes
12:05<cLov3r>can i add it to squeeze anyway?
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12:06<kop>cLov3r: Yes, you can probably backport it yourself. But.... It seems to me that it might be best to just try using the ppd file for now. I forget, but I think when you use the ppd file you use a more generic driver.
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12:07<kop>cLov3r: Or if not best, then simplest. When you upgrade to wheezy then you can use the c2esp driver.
12:08<kop>cLov3r: So, wanna try the chown and then see whether it works?
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12:09<bilbopingouin>hi everyone!
12:10<kop>judd checkbackport c2esp
12:10<judd>Backporting package c2esp in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libjbig-dev.
12:10<kop>judd checkbackport libjbig-dev
12:10<judd>Backporting package libjbig-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports.
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12:12<kop>cLov3r: So to backport the c2esp package yourself you'd need to also backport the libjbig-dev package. This does not sound too hard, it's more or less a recepie of commands to type. Then you get 2 packages to install and you've done it
12:12<kop>"the debain way".
12:12<kop>!ssb
12:12<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
12:13<kop>cLov3r: That's the recepie, but, as I say, if the ppd file works then why play around?
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12:15<bilbopingouin>I seem to have a strange issue with aptitude. It always fails to connect to the repositories: "404 not found". However I am perfectly connected to the net. I have another computer on my local netwoork which has absolutely no problem connecting to the same servers. I've been googling for a while, but couldn't find any answer. Is it possible to set a proxy just for aptitude that I may have set by mistake?
12:16<gkscal>i've anger with flashplugin, can anybody help?
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12:16<themill>bilbopingouin: which release is this with?
12:16<bilbopingouin>squeeze
12:17<themill>aptitude uses http_proxy environment variable or information in its config files for proxies, but it's hard to imagine accidentally setting that
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12:19<bilbopingouin>yet it seems I did it...
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12:20<craigevil>gkscal, blame adobe, and disable hardware acceleration
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12:20<gkscal>how i do that?
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12:21<themill>bilbopingouin: aptitude update tells you if it's trying to contact a proxy. Can you pastebin the entire output of aptitude update?
12:21<bilbopingouin>ok, thanks for that, themill, setting export http_proxy="" allowed me to drun an update
12:21<themill>bilbopingouin: oh? how odd.
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12:22<craigevil>i had that happen before, had opendns on my router and everything worked except for apt, once i added opendns to my resolv.conf it worked
12:22<craigevil>this was a couple yrs ago
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12:23<bilbopingouin>guess I'm good at screwing things up. For future reference, nevertheless, I couldn't find in the aptitude update indication of the content of http_proxy
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12:24<zeropiel>I'm trying to get xscreensaer v5.13 on debian stable. Reason is there seems to be a bug regarding gdmflexiserver.
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12:24<zeropiel>How do I replace my current 5.11 with 5.13?
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12:25<themill>bilbopingouin: it flashes up "Connecting to ____" with the proxy server there when it's trying to connect to it. If your broken proxy was replying 404 too fast, you could miss that I guess.
12:27<bilbopingouin>that was most likely it, yes, it was answering very fast. ok, thanks for the help! :-)
12:29<zeropiel>Maybe more correctly, with the one currently in wheezy: xscreensaver v5.15
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12:29<themill>bilbopingouin: no worries. Happy hunting!
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12:35<Deltatash>hi, just wondering if anyone can give me a hand I am using Debian 6.0 and my problem is I use this command to remount my CD "sudo mount -o remount,unhide /dev/cdrom" then I open the CD and highlight all its contents to paste to a directory on my hard drive and I get this Error message "The folder "DirectX" cannot be handled because you do not have permissions to read it."
12:35<Deltatash>does anyone know how I can fix this?
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12:36<Zer016>can you take the ownership of DirectX?
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12:37<HashBanana>hi, debian testing netinstall does not recognize my intel 82579lm nic. what can i do to make it work?
12:38<Deltatash>I dont know Zer016 becuase its on CD which I apparently have no permission for anything :s how would I take ownership of the folder one a read only media?
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12:38<zeropiel>It seems a bit extreme to upgrade to wheezy just get access to v5.15 of xscreensaver. Any solution?
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12:39<babilen>,checkbackport xscreensaver
12:39<Zer016>i can tell a program for windows but i don't know what happened on your software ?
12:39<judd>Backporting package xscreensaver in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual.
12:39<Zer016>...
12:39<babilen>zeropiel: It should be quite trivial to backport it by following "/msg dpkg ssb"
12:40<Deltatash>how would I get around this error when trying to copy from cd then "The folder "DirectX" cannot be handled because you do not have permissions to read it." ?
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12:40<Deltatash>I have tried using command line to the cd directory and copy with sudo rights and still the same error :(
12:40<Zer016>maybe or the software cannot support the directX
12:41<zeropiel>thanks babilen
12:42<Deltatash>huh ? but I am only trying to copy from a CD this works in ubuntu and other linux distros just Debian does not want to give me the permissions needed to copy files from a CD :/
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12:43<Zer016>Deltatash if you search on google i think that you will help a solution I don't use this software for long time and i can't help you ...
12:44<Zer016>*will find
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12:44<Deltatash>I have been searching online for 1 week now and nothing anywhere about this problem so far not anything with a solution atleast :/
12:44<Deltatash>I only need to find out how to have "read" permission on my CD in my CD Drive..
12:44<twmX>hy guis
12:44<twmX>i duno what about yu talks
12:45<Zer016>can you find any command to run it ?
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12:45<chilled_>Whats the most lightweight WM i can get (this is for a 512MB machine) i know it can handle more. Just wondering whats the most lightweight.
12:45<twmX>but how your syistem sees a cd rom
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12:47<twmX>root acces and chmod on file Deltatash?
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12:47<twmX>hawe you tried
12:47<Deltatash>if I try to copy from my cd in Terminal with sudo I get "cp: omitting directory `DirectX'"
12:47<twmX>hawe you mc
12:47<twmX>on system
12:47<Deltatash>no, havent tried that yet, how woul di try this on a CD?
12:48<twmX>you must get to thic folder
12:48<twmX>and see permisions
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12:48<Deltatash>ok I am in terminal at this folder
12:48<twmX>can be copied or not
12:48<twmX>then as root use chmod comand
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12:48<twmX>se man help for more
12:49<Deltatash>man doesnt do anything for the info
12:49<twmX>try with mc
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12:49<Deltatash>mc man ?
12:49<twmX>its terminal file menager
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12:49<Deltatash>bash: mc: command not found
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12:50<twmX>if on your sys
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12:50<twmX>ah bad
12:50<craigevil>open the file manager with gksu/kdesu/sux rather than sudo
12:50<twmX>google then chmod
12:50<twmX>im not familiar also with than command
12:51<craigevil>how the hell is midnight commander (mc) not installed on your system
12:51<Deltatash>craigevil, I have opened nautiuls as root and go to my CD and it still says I dont have the permissions needed to copy from my CD :/
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12:51<Deltatash>*nautilus
12:51<craigevil>tried it without being root?
12:51<Deltatash>yup
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12:52<Deltatash>for some reason this CD is only allowing me to view the contents on it but not do anything with them such as copy etc
12:52<Deltatash>I used "sudo mount -o remount,unhide /dev/cdrom" to mount it
12:53<craigevil>just open it in a file manager dont use any command to mount it
12:53<twmX>try mount it as user onle
12:53<twmX>not root
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12:53<Deltatash>I cant open it normally becuase all files are hidden on it then I can not copy what I need from it unfortunatly :(
12:53<Deltatash>ok I will try mount it as normal use
12:54<craigevil>most file managers have a Show hidden files setting
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12:54<Deltatash>just ejected disc and restarting
12:54<Deltatash>with no special commands
12:55<Deltatash>open disc and all files are hidden even when i choose to show hidden files I need to use "sudo mount -o remount,unhide /dev/sr0"
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12:55<Deltatash>to be able to view its contents
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12:56<Deltatash>twmX, I try "mount -o remount,unhide /dev/cdrom" as normal user and I get "mount: only root can do that"
12:56<twmX>hmm how is fstab configured for that sd0
12:57<Deltatash>there has to be a way I can copy my files from this CD it works on other distros I have used why does Debian not allow me to copy files from cd :/
12:57<twmX>there must be some conflict there
12:57<twmX>paranoia :)
12:57<twmX>sorry kiding
12:58<twmX>go as root in fstab and try configure permisions
12:58<twmX>if is in fstab tree
12:58<Deltatash>hmm Im not sure what i would need ot change in there I am not a pro linux user :/
12:58<Deltatash>i am kinda still learning
12:59<twmX>its not so complicated
12:59<Deltatash>where do i find fstab?
12:59<twmX>but try to google for
12:59<towo`>in /etc
12:59<twmX>root etc
13:00<Deltatash>ok I have opened fstab in root
13:00<Deltatash>now what?
13:00<twmX>read it first
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13:00<Deltatash>and then?
13:01<twmX>look for devices
13:01<craigevil>the line for your cd should look something like this > /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto
13:01<Deltatash>i see cdrom
13:01<Deltatash>yeah i see that
13:01<Deltatash>/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 this is my cdrom line
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13:02<twmX> there are some comands for read write execute
13:02<twmX>but i forgot to hoe they look
13:02<Deltatash>so do I need to change anything in the fstab?
13:02<twmX>:)
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13:03<twmX>look for /dev/hd0 or hd1
13:03<twmX>how it lokks
13:03<Deltatash>ok
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13:04<twmX>there permisions like read onlee
13:04<twmX>execute
13:04<twmX>and so
13:04<twmX>but i duno exactly shortcuts
13:04<Deltatash>well i dont see anytihng aobut permissions in fstab
13:04<Deltatash>even on my hard drive
13:04<twmX>then you nead to put it
13:04<Deltatash>thats the headings above it all <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
13:05<twmX>try googling for fstab
13:05<Deltatash>your asking a complete noob here to do something he knows nothing about :/
13:05<twmX>im sure youl find
13:05<Deltatash>being told "you need to put it" does not help me becuase I dont know how...
13:05<craigevil>it looks fine
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13:05<twmX>were on something im to n00b
13:05<twmX>i forgot
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13:06<Deltatash>i chmod the directory also with 751, is that right ? and it still does not let me copy that folder form disc
13:06<twmX>im on knoopix from hire and then
13:06<craigevil>try using k3b or whatever diskburning app you have installed to simply copy the disk to your HD
13:06<Deltatash>ok I will try that craigevil
13:06<Deltatash>its a bit of a long winded way though, i should be able to just copy my files from cd when I mount them :/
13:06<craigevil>then you should be able to change permissions if needed
13:07<twmX>theres must be some problem with that files on cd
13:07<craigevil>hm rather than using cp or drag/drop, try highlighting a file then paste it where you want it
13:07<twmX>are they some sys files
13:07<twmX>or encripted
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13:07<twmX>why they ar hidden from first place
13:07<craigevil>^ that would do it
13:08<Deltatash>i dont think they are encrypted as I say this works perfectly on Ubuntu, Opensuse and a few other distros just not Debian
13:08<Deltatash>it is the game disc for "World of Warcraft Wrath of the Lich King"
13:08<zeropiel>babilen: got unmet dependencies, so it failed
13:08<Deltatash>I used to use Ubuntu which played this game perfect but I want to try Debian but it doesnt even let me use the cd :/
13:09<zeropiel>babilen: also, it was building v5.11 and the bug was fixed from v5.13
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13:09<zeropiel>babilen: this is regarding xscreensaver btw
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13:10<twmX>someone asked for lightwaight Window managers
13:10<twmX>i use twm fluxbox and Xfce
13:10<twmX>Window maker is good to
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13:11<twmX>im for instance now on old pII maschine with onlee 96MB ram
13:12<twmX>and some swap on USB no hard
13:12<twmX>and knoppix
13:12<twmX>and works liike a charm
13:12<twmX>:)
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13:12<Deltatash>copying the disc now into an iso onto my drive hopefully this works to mount the iso and then extract the contents
13:13<twmX>mozzola, xmms,xinbe, Xchat 20 terminals, gimp, and so
13:13<twmX> i hope you makid (cros fingers) ;)
13:14<Deltatash>using AcetoneISO disc is 7.7GB so it might take a while copy
13:15<twmX>umm yea its big :)
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13:15<twmX> i dunno but isent easier gaming on MS shit :)
13:16<Deltatash>why does this "sudo mount -o remount,unhide /dev/cdrom" work on Ubuntu then but not Debian? they are similiar OS's right? since Ubuntu is based on Debian
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13:16<Deltatash>well you would be surprised I found that WoW plays better on Linux with an up to date wine rather than on windows
13:16<Deltatash>I get a far higher FPS and smoother gameplay
13:16<twmX>but theres diferences
13:16<twmX>ububntu is not so paranoid
13:16<Deltatash>on my system atleast
13:17<Deltatash>so what setting have ubuntu changed
13:17<Deltatash>to let me copy from CD?
13:17<twmX>with su command you can actualy enithing
13:17<perlwizard>Deltatash why are you remounting /dev/cdrom
13:17<Deltatash>cus tbh..this is a pretty stupid *** feature lol
13:17<twmX>debian is more multiuser os
13:17<perlwizard>what are you trying to do
13:17<Deltatash>perlwizard, look http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=23352
13:17<Deltatash>you have to remount WoW disc with that command or you can not view the files to copy to your hard drive to install game in wine
13:18<Deltatash>do you know why I get an error saying I do not have the permission needed to read from the cd when it try to copy files from the cd?
13:18<perlwizard>err
13:19<perlwizard>have you tried the usual form of mount command?
13:19<perlwizard>that looks like a steamy pile of bs to me
13:19<Deltatash>well perlwizard it works on ubuntu and other distros only Debian that doesnt want to let me copy from a CD
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13:20<Deltatash>i do this "sudo mount -o remount,unhide /dev/cdrom" then navigate to the cdrom and copy it all a directory on my hard drive and i get this error "The folder "DirectX" cannot be handled because you do not have permissions to read it."
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13:21<Deltatash>I have tried to do it through a GUI highlight files copy and paste doesnt work I try in command line with and without root privelages, doenst work
13:21<Deltatash>wtf gives?
13:21<dizzylizzy>does calling '/etc/init.d/gdm3 start' run /etc/gdm3/Init/Default ?
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13:22<haavard>hello
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13:22<dizzylizzy>I noticed that /etc/gdm3/Init/Default does some keyboard mod key remapping, which is something I would like to do before I'm given the login screen
13:23<perlwizard>Deltatash the command that has remount in it assumes that cdrom is already mounted
13:23<perlwizard>I can see why that would work in ubuntu
13:23<Deltatash>it was already mounted
13:23<haavard>somebody know about how i can get 2 hours out of pinguy os?
13:23<Deltatash>so that code works
13:24<Deltatash>it allows me to view the hidden files on the disc which is what i needed, but the real problem is it will not let me copy the hidden files it says i dont have permissions needed
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13:24<Deltatash>any idea on why it would do that?
13:24<perlwizard>in console, do ls -Ralh /path/to/mountpoint as root
13:24<perlwizard>and pastebin the result
13:24<craigevil>haavard, go ask in #pinguyos on irc.freenode.net
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13:25<Deltatash>ok
13:25<twmX>yea right command is umount /dev/ bla bla for unmounting
13:26<Deltatash>perlwizard, here is my pastebin http://pastebin.com/mHingRr9
13:27<perlwizard>that's not it
13:27<perlwizard>ok
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13:27<perlwizard>pastebin the results of `mount` and `dmesg | tail -n 15`
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13:27<canaima>Hola?
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13:28<Deltatash>here is the mount pastebin perlwizard http://pastebin.com/gYn8t7Uf
13:28<canaima>Hello?
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13:28<Deltatash>and here is the dmesg http://pastebin.com/9Lq20J5R
13:29<perlwizard>Deltatash ok, question 1
13:29<gkscal>is there a bug in schockwave flash 11.2 r202?
13:29<Deltatash>although currently I am copying the cd to an iso using a CD burning/writing program AcetoneISO I dont know if that will effeet the results you see.. someone told me to try making an iso and mount that see if i can change permissions then
13:29<Deltatash>ok ?
13:29<perlwizard>why is /dev/sr0 mounted as udf when your instruction explicitly mounts it as iso9660 ?
13:29<craigevil>gkscal, flash is a bug
13:29<canaima>D: SON ENGLISH?
13:29<perlwizard>yes gkscal, there is a bug
13:29<perlwizard>it's called flash.
13:30<canaima>is english and spanish?
13:30<perlwizard>canaima english
13:30<craigevil>gkscal, if you mean people having blue skin, disable hardware acceleration
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13:30<gkscal>can i view youtube vids without flash?
13:30<perlwizard>yes, join html5 trial
13:30<Deltatash>which instruction? I use this "sudo mount -o remount,unhide /dev/sr0" the instructions say to use that but if it doesnt work use "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro,unhide /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0/" I suppose the first command automatically chose that option for me?
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13:31<craigevil>html5, minitube, dowload and view in vlc or mplayer, lots of ways
13:31<perlwizard>gkscal http://www.youtube.com/html5
13:31<canaima>But I Spanish.
13:31<Deltatash>is that what my problem is do you think?
13:32<craigevil>!tell canaima about es
13:32<perlwizard>Deltatash `umount /dev/sr0; mount -t iso9660 -o ro,unhide /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0` ->> pastebin
13:32<canaima>es?
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13:32<gkscal>thx, perlwizard
13:33<Deltatash>ok
13:33<perlwizard>canaima /join #esdebian
13:33<gkscal>is iceweasel html ready?
13:33<perlwizard>yes, gkscal
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13:34<yip> chose that option for me?
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13:34<Deltatash>perlwizard, I get this http://pastebin.com/xdQE610p
13:35<canaima>Does anyone is Spanish?
13:35<canaima>#esdebian
13:35<perlwizard>Deltatash mount says /dev/sr0 is mounted, umount says it's not
13:35<perlwizard>explain?
13:36<Deltatash>i dont know, I am not some linux guru lol I am still learning tbh but mounting a disc should not be this difficult :/
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13:36<gkscal>iceweasel says that flashplayer needed or browser html5 ready
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13:37<perlwizard>Deltatash mounting a cd is `mount /dev/sr0 /path/to/mounpoint`
13:37<perlwizard>that's it
13:37<Deltatash>but when I do mount it why does it not give me permissions needed to copy files from disc
13:38<craigevil>gkscal, upgrade iceweasel, which version do you have
13:38<Deltatash>this is the command I need to use "sudo mount -o remount,unhide /dev/sr0" which mounts fine and allows me to view hidden files but does not allow me to copy from disc :/
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13:38<gkscal>version 3.5.16
13:39<craigevil>gkscal, upgrade it from backports or mozilla.debian.net
13:39<craigevil>,versions iceweasel
13:39<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-14; sid: 10.0.4esr-2; wheezy: 10.0.4esr-2; experimental: 12.0-4
13:39<perlwizard>Deltatash how are you copying the files ?
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13:40<Deltatash>I have tried with a gui just go into "places" then into the disc highlight them all then right click, copy then go to location on drive right click and paste does not work I get this error "The folder "DirectX" cannot be handled because you do not have permissions to read it."
13:40<Deltatash>also I try in Terminal with command line I locate files and use cp then the directory i want to paste to
13:41<Deltatash>it copies what it can but the same DirectX folder does not work it says "omitting directX direcotry" or something and skips it and copies everything else I have tried it with root privelages and as normal user neither work
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13:41<perlwizard>"or something" is not a proper error message
13:41<Deltatash>I just dont understand why its making it so difficult to copy files from a disc
13:42<Rafdom_NeredGAME>mmm...!! no spanish! D:
13:42<nullcat>Deltatash: Did you use "cp -r"?
13:42<Deltatash>I said or something becuase i do not have that message infront of me right now in the hope that you have seen it before, if you like I will go and get it
13:42<Deltatash>no nullcat I just used cp /home/username/documents
13:42<Deltatash>obvliously name of file after cp
13:42<perlwizard>Deltatash 1) ls -Ralh /path/to/mountpoint/ 2) cp -rv /path/to/mountpoint/ /path/to/destination/ and pastebin the "or something" error
13:43<perlwizard>those are two things you need to do
13:43<Deltatash>ok
13:43<Deltatash>i will do that now
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13:45<Rafdom_NeredGAME>#debian-es
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13:46<Deltatash>ok here it is the ls -Ralh results are http://pastebin.com/BG7tcgTx
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13:47<Deltatash>and when I use cp -rv I get this http://pastebin.com/cfWU5xkT no error BUT i go to the directory it has created a broken link to the cd rom.. :/
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13:48<Deltatash>if I use cp -rv but add in the moint point path the DirectX folder this happens http://pastebin.com/vPXvEwQc "permission denied"
13:49<babilen>!pastebin.com
13:49<dpkg>pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
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13:49<dizzylizzy>If I wanted to make a command execute during gdm3 initialization/start, what file would I put it in? in /etc/gdm3/Init/Default ? in /etc/init.d/gdm3 ? in /etc/rc2.d/S23gdm3 ?
13:50<perlwizard>Deltatash that makes no sense
13:50<twmX>whats with that DirectX folder seams you cant copy onle that part?
13:50<Deltatash>?
13:50<Deltatash>the results or what I said?
13:50<valdyn>Deltatash: what exactly is non-obvious in your pastes there?
13:50<perlwizard>why is your mount point a softlink
13:51<perlwizard>that's not how mount points work
13:51<valdyn>Deltatash: -> when you tell it to copy a symlink and it copies a symlink, everything is fine
13:51<Deltatash>I dont want it to make a symlink I was doing what someone else in here told me to
13:51<Deltatash>I just want to copy files from a cd to my drive
13:52<valdyn>Deltatash: you want to read up on how permissions work maybe
13:52<Deltatash>i have done it both with and without root privelages
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13:52<perlwizard>< Deltatash> here is the mount pastebin perlwizard http://pastebin.com/gYn8t7Uf
13:52<Deltatash>and I have tried to chmod the directory on the cd which will not work it apparently works sucessfully... but still gives me permission denied
13:52<perlwizard>^ mounted to /media/cdrom0
13:52<perlwizard>why are you using different mountpoint now?
13:53<valdyn>Deltatash: a cdrom is a cdrom because its not writeable, you cant change permissions on it
13:53<Deltatash>so why wont debian allow me to copy files from it says permission denied
13:53<valdyn>Deltatash: look at the permissions
13:53<perlwizard>Deltatash why are you using different mountpoint now?
13:53<twmX>okay try yust this umount device mount it again as dev/cdrom0 or cdrom1 and then try to unhide
13:53<valdyn>!wikifaq Deltatash Permissions
13:53<dpkg>Deltatash: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/
13:53<Deltatash>I havent changed the mountpoint
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13:53<twmX>or im wrong somwhere
13:54<perlwizard>your pastebin shows < Deltatash> here is the mount pastebin perlwizard http://pastebin.com/gYn8t7Uf
13:54<perlwizard>cdrom0
13:54<Deltatash>ive been using cdrom0 all along
13:54<Deltatash>this is what i been using to mount "sudo mount -o remount,unhide /dev/cdrom"
13:54<perlwizard>Deltatash
13:55<perlwizard>can you do `ls -Ralh /mnt/cdrom0/` ?
13:55<Deltatash>ok I will do that now
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13:55<perlwizard>copy the command verbatim
13:55<perlwizard>and pastebin the output
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13:56<nullcat>Deltadash: while you're at it, do `ls -Ralh /media/cdrom0/` as well.
13:57<Deltatash>it gives "ls: cannot access /mnt/cdrom0/: No such file or directory"
13:57<perlwizard>/media/
13:57<perlwizard>not mnt
13:57<Deltatash>but using /media/ i get http://pastebin.com/qTVvwSsR
13:58<perlwizard>yeah, thats more like it
13:58<Deltatash>DirectX just does not want to let me copy it or access it at all :/
13:59<twmX>can you see a properties of that directory at all
13:59<twmX>in tree
13:59<perlwizard>Deltatash `sudo ls -Ralh /media/cdrom0/`
13:59<Deltatash>ok
13:59<perlwizard>and use http://paste.debian.net/
13:59<perlwizard>not some shitty pastebin you're using now
14:00<intore>hi, i need help because i can't mount a volume containing the users home directory on samba from the server debian to a client. i tried to mount locally on the server also but in syslog i found always the same error: process_usershare_file: stat of /var/lib/samba/usershares/users failed. No such file or directory
14:00<Deltatash>lol, ok here is the pastebin for it with sudo http://paste.debian.net/167582/
14:00<perlwizard>okay Deltatash
14:00<perlwizard>thats more like it
14:00<perlwizard>now
14:01<perlwizard>sudo cp -rv /media/cdrom0 /path/to/somewhere/on/your/hdd
14:01<perlwizard>substitute the relevant part
14:02<Deltatash>ok I will try now
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14:02<Deltatash>so far so good
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14:02<twmX>so it seams it was wrong simlink to device files
14:03<perlwizard>no
14:03<Deltatash>disc is 7.7Gb so might take a while but ill keep an eye on it for when it reaches the DirectX folder that keeps failing
14:03<perlwizard>it only seems that whoever authored that CDROM is a blockhead
14:03<Deltatash>Blizzard lol
14:04<Deltatash>anyway if this works thanks a lot perlwizard :D this has been doing my head in for just over a week now :( and thanks to everyone else who contributed to :) twmX :P
14:05<perlwizard>Deltatash after you're done copying, you will need to do 2 things
14:05<Deltatash>chmod the copied directory?
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14:05<perlwizard>1) sudo chown -R normaluser:normalusergroup /path/to/somewhere/on/your/hdd
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14:06<Deltatash>ok
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14:07<perlwizard>2) chmod ug+rw -R /path/to/somewhere/on/your/hdd
14:07<perlwizard>then you'll be able to work with your files as usual
14:07<perlwizard>with a gui or whatever you want
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14:08<Deltatash>that /path/tosomehwere/ will that be to the copied cdrom location?
14:08<perlwizard>yes
14:08<Deltatash>sorry my internet connection disconected
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14:09<nullcat>"chmod -R ug+rw /path/to/somewhere/on/your/hdd" ...
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14:09<Deltatash>ahh ok ill chmod the copied cd location on my hard drive when its done :)
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14:09<Deltatash>it has just reached the directX folder and still copying away fine :D i think its working thank you everyone :D
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14:09<twmX>yea you gawr with chown command a user:group permision to use files
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14:10<Deltatash>:)
14:10<twmX>and with chmod to do you like that +rw
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14:10<twmX>write this somwhere its usefol to remmember
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14:11<Deltatash>I will I have a "linux command" folder lol filled with all usefull stuff like this that I dont use often enough so I will foreget I write them all down unless its the simple ones I remember becuase I use alot :P
14:11<perlwizard>why folder
14:11<perlwizard>keep them in a single file with comments
14:11<Deltatash>hmm dunno haha I got loads of different files with differnet commands xD
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14:12<twmX>if all will work afcors this DirectX is still mistery why
14:13<Deltatash>hmm yeah I dont understand it :s never had this problem before but until now I have usually used ubuntu which is like debian made easy lol, but I wanted to learn more about Linux and threw myself in the deep end with debian :P was intersting installing Propriety graphics drivers in here lol
14:13<Deltatash>but something i learned :)
14:14<perlwizard>installing proprietary graphics drivers?
14:14<twmX>uh be careful with drivers stuf
14:14<perlwizard>isn't that like one command
14:14<perlwizard>what's so interesting about it?
14:14<Deltatash>well
14:14<Deltatash>i had to use a few commands
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14:14<twmX>could easely loss a gui and ben droped in level3
14:14<Deltatash>to stop and restart the gdm or whatever it is
14:14<twmX>i expirienced that once
14:14<Deltatash>and for some reason my frist time doing it, messed up
14:15<Deltatash>i had no gui at all lol driver installed wrong somehow xD
14:15<Deltatash>my third attempt at installing it went perfectly
14:15<Deltatash>lol
14:15<perlwizard>are you on debian stable ?
14:15<Deltatash>yup
14:15<perlwizard>and what exactly went wrong?
14:16<Deltatash>ATI i am using
14:16<perlwizard>things are not supposed to go wrong on stable
14:16<Deltatash>cant remember it was a few months ago, I installed the driver and tried to restart the gdm3 or whatever it is but it would not give me GUI
14:16<Deltatash>and after a restart, it would load a screen
14:16<twmX>weong packet of drivers for example :)
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14:16<Deltatash>but the login screen was just multicoloured
14:16<twmX>*wrong
14:17<Deltatash>was just a haze of colours you couldnt make anything out it was unusable
14:17<Deltatash>dunno what I did wrong but I gave it another go and got it right that time
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14:18<twmX>i hade troubles with nvidia
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14:18<kusanagi>what does that mean that package A provides package B. Im reading debian faq but i still dont get it
14:18<Deltatash>gotta say for a laptop, installing the ATI propriety drivers..wow... it gave me more control over graphics settings such as power save and performance etc and high or low quality and all this extra stuff just halfed my power consuption and really helped battery life
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14:20<perlwizard>kusanagi http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-virtual
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14:21<twmX>gl acceleration when works it rocks :)
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14:21<Deltatash>I hear many people say ATI graphics drivers for linux suck but tbh im pretty pleased with it it seems to work a lot better than on windows and gives me more control over my card in Debain than in windows
14:22<twmX>i had beril with aiglx on some old maschine
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14:22<Deltatash>the first time it screwed up i think was down to me being a noob as it was my first time but now ive done it once I think it will be ok when i next need to do it
14:22<twmX>yust with bloat mx200 nv card
14:22<twmX>and it works like a charm
14:22<Deltatash>:)
14:23<perlwizard>Deltatash ATI sucks and you should avoid it
14:23<perlwizard>see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU
14:23<Deltatash>lol unfortunatly its whats inside my laptop here xD but I am happy with its performance so far :P
14:23<kusanagi>perlwizard, oh, so why a depends does not gives the same info as provides?
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14:23<kusanagi>if some package depends on another, it also provides it, doesnt it?
14:24<perlwizard>err no.
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14:24<twmX>it yust deppend :)
14:24<twmX>so you must ged it
14:25<Deltatash>is this why ATI isnt so good for linux "Intel and ATI currently[when?] offer no support for VDPAU" ?
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14:25<kusanagi>it will be installed the same if its provided or depended on, doesnt it?
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14:25<twmX>then this b maybe deppend of some c and so
14:25<perlwizard>Deltatash thats one of many reasons
14:25<Deltatash>hmm
14:25<Deltatash>making me paranoid about my card now xD haha :P
14:26<Deltatash>so nVidia is better for Linux?
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14:26<twmX>nah Delta. ATI is okay
14:26<Deltatash>:)
14:26<twmX>slower but okay
14:26<Deltatash>ahh
14:26<twmX>nvidia cadr sucks to
14:26<Deltatash>well for a laptop I got for free I cant complain lol :P
14:26<twmX>they owerbun
14:27<Deltatash>lol so what card should we use if on Linux ? xD
14:27<twmX>easely
14:27<twmX>VGA
14:27<twmX>compatible
14:27<Deltatash>lol
14:27<twmX>:)
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14:27<Deltatash>guys my cd has finished copying all the files are there on my hard drive :D :D thanks :D
14:28<twmX>s3 will do
14:28<Deltatash>now I will run them chown commands and stuff you told me to get them to work right for me :)
14:28<twmX>we happy
14:28<twmX>perlwizard is a mano
14:28<Deltatash>twmX what if you were going to run a game in wine? uisng OpenGL? ati support OpenGL pretty well right?
14:28<twmX>yea
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14:29<twmX>but it will be slower much slower
14:29<twmX>onle if you hawe a realy speedy core
14:29<kusanagi>so if A depends on B and B-enhanced provides B... does not B get installed if i install either A or B-enhanced?
14:29<Deltatash>ahh ok
14:29<perlwizard>real men play games for real men
14:29<twmX>try this with simple games
14:29<perlwizard>not baby stuff like WoW
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14:29<twmX>then go to more demmanding
14:29<Deltatash>lol pffft its something I do in my spare time :P
14:30<Deltatash>perlwizard, I run your command "sudo chown -R normaluser:normalusergroup /home/username/Documents/Games/WoW/Lich\ King/cdrom0/" but it returns this "chown: invalid user: `normaluser:normalusergroup'" :s
14:30<twmX>and real games are?
14:31<perlwizard>Deltatash substitute user and group
14:31<twmX>to me all new games are yust bloat
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14:31<perlwizard>twmX nethack, angband, gcc, vim, bash
14:31<Deltatash>subsitute it to ?
14:31<perlwizard>your non root user
14:31<perlwizard>and his group
14:31<Deltatash>so my username
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14:31<perlwizard>yes
14:31<twmX>hawe you tried a old dos game like shadowwarior or blod
14:32<Deltatash>sorry noob question, obvliously I know my username is there a quick command I can type to see my usernames group?
14:32<kusanagi>Deltatash, id
14:32<Deltatash>thanks
14:32<twmX>lol perl i ged it now!
14:32<Deltatash>groups=1000(username) that is right yeah
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14:33<Deltatash>so I will use "sudo chown -R normaluser:username1000 /home/username/Documents/Games/WoW/Lich\ King/cdrom0/" ?
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14:34<perlwizard>no
14:34<Deltatash>oh >.<
14:35<Deltatash>username:1000 ?
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14:35<perlwizard>`id` gives you uid=1000(xxx) gid=1000(yyy)
14:35<Deltatash>yup
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14:35<perlwizard>then you do `sudo chown -R xxx:yyy /home/username/Documents/Games/WoW/Lich\ King/cdrom0/`
14:35<Deltatash>oh I see
14:35<Deltatash>thanks :)
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14:36<Deltatash>that seems to have worked :D
14:37<perlwizard>have fun bashing goblins online then
14:37<Deltatash>just got the chmod command left now lets see :P lol
14:38<Deltatash>that worked to :D
14:38<Deltatash>looks like I have full access/control over all the files now thanks so much :D this was making me give up on life haha :P
14:38<Deltatash>ok well not that bad but was getting annoying :P
14:38<twmX>guis iw had a diferent problem
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14:39<twmX>i can connect on almost all irc servers but one
14:39<twmX>wont
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14:39<twmX>what could be a problem
14:39<twmX>and this server i use with windows or moile
14:39<twmX>and it works
14:39<Deltatash>weird :s
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14:40<twmX>Xchat or ircII
14:40<twmX>the same
14:40<Tato>hello i have problems u.u
14:40<twmX>yust trying conecting and nothing
14:41<twmX>no response at all
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14:41<twmX>could be a server problem?
14:41<Deltatash>maybe :s are you able to try a windows computer or mobile at the same time?
14:41<Deltatash>if neither connect then it could be server problem
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14:42<twmX>i can get there mobile no problem
14:42<Deltatash>hmm
14:42<twmX>but from hire no chance :/
14:43<twmX>all is same configured
14:43<twmX>i had id host user name nick all
14:43<twmX>but theres no response from there
14:44<twmX>il try now to ping server
14:44<twmX>could be a some DNS problem
14:45<twmX>duno :)
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14:45<Deltatash>lol im not to sure
14:46<perlwizard>twmX you can't connect to an irc server?
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14:47<twmX>weird pinging server pases
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14:47<twmX>but from client no response
14:48<twmX>64 bytes from 85.17.213.28: icmp_seq=6 ttl=57 time=54.1 ms
14:48<twmX>see
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14:50<Deltatash>afk a moment guys
14:50<perlwizard>try /connect 85.17.213.28
14:50<perlwizard>it works
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14:51<twmX>wil try thanks
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14:54<twmX>wtf uncknown command :)
14:54<twmX>Xchat2.2
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14:57<twmX>server comand works but wont connect
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15:04<perlwizard>works in irssi
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15:05<twmX>i dont hawe it hire :)
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15:06<twmX>but ircII is simmilar
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15:06<twmX>and dont wont either
15:07<twmX>maybe i mist something some servers dont like a id
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15:07<galerie>join #xfce
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15:13<douglas>hola soy nuevo
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15:13<movl>!es
15:13<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:42<HashBanana>hi, i installed firmware-linux-nonfree for support of my intel 82579LM nic. lsmod lists the e1000e module, but no ethernet device (eth1) is showing up for the apater. how do i get it to work?
15:43<HashBanana>i'm on debian testing
15:43<developer>any openvpn experts ?
15:43<developer>anyome ?
15:44<developer>anyone ?
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15:45<heikkila>developer, you should just explain your problem and what you are trying to do
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15:46<developer>I can't seem to use the parameter bytes_sent correctly, all I know it is used with --up/--up-pre/--down, but google won't get me anywhere
15:46<developer>any ideas ?
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15:58<mejsa> hey guys,i wanna send email from my joomla, exim4 and sendamil is kind of messy for me,so its there any way to use "PHP mail" ?
15:58<mejsa>im running debian squueze
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15:59<movl>mejsa: what is php mail? sounds rather kinky
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16:00<mejsa>its mailer...
16:01<movl>MTA?
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16:02<mejsa>don't really know,i think its just a php mail() function
16:02<movl>that is already out of my knowledge, but maybe joomla's channel will help
16:03<mejsa>hmmm
16:03<movl>my 2 cents? you probably can with lots of sweat.
16:03<movl>but it would be easier with a MTA like exim or postfix
16:04<mejsa>could i ask you one more thing? when i set up "exim4"
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16:04<mejsa>what could be the problem,that it wont send email to gmail,i get refused,
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16:05<movl>google for 'exim gmail connection refused'
16:05<movl>I'm not familiar with exim
16:05<mejsa>and sendmail ?:D
16:06<movl>mejsa: you're a bit lazy, right? :)
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16:06<mejsa>no,just have spended third day with
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16:06<mejsa>no working project :)
16:06<movl>did you use google?
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16:06<mejsa>before,yes...
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16:07<movl>because I get lots of hits with the search above
16:07<mejsa>i think that my basic configuration is wrong
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16:08<movl>are you using cpanel by any chance?
16:08<mejsa>nope
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16:08<movl>https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=116529
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16:09<movl>and again, use google
16:09<movl>this link was the 5th hit or something
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16:10<mejsa>hmm
16:10<mejsa>ill try
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16:14<AhabWest>somebody know if its possible to generate an linux-kbuild.deb package using make-kpkg?
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16:19<mejsa>still not working :(
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16:22<sergio>hola
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16:22<Guest809>alguien me podria decir como activar
16:22<Guest809>el gnome
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16:22<Guest809>tengo instalado el 12.04
16:22<movl>!es
16:22<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:23<movl>!ubuntu
16:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
16:23<Guest809>gracias
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16:26<treborabc>If anyone can help: I installed wireless driver as per http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta ,but when I ran iwconfig it didn't find the device. nor did a few other commands I tried. I
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16:27<treborabc>*I'm running squeeze and tried the applicable options on troubleshooting at the bottom
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16:42<AndroUser>When i am installing the netinst version of debian from a bootable cd and am using the graphical installer, i am unable to do anything with a 5gb ntfs partition ive made while i was still in windows... any suggestions?
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16:44<AndroUser>Also i am using the manual partition method
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16:45<movl>AndroUser: you wanna mount it?
16:45<movl>aka choose a mount point for it?
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16:46<IRConan>i'm getting this error while building a package from wheezy against squeeze: cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps': No such file or directory anyone got any ideas?
16:46<AndroUser>Oh i have to mount it? I thought it was already mounted. How would you do that - as im stuck in the installer right now? Also it just shows as unusable space at the actual manual partition dtep (where it lists partitions)
16:46<movl>IRConan: does said directory exist?
16:47<IRConan>after that failure? no...
16:47<movl>AndroUser: what do you wanna do with the ntfs partition?
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16:47<movl>IRConan: ....
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16:48<IRConan>movl: yeah... i'll be quiet now
16:48<AndroUser>Ii want to have the 5gb ntfs partition as my "main" part. For debian. Ive no idea what to do about the swap and boot and w.e. (im making a dual boot with win7)
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16:49<movl>AndroUser: you cannot have ntfs as a native partition in Linux
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16:49*movl shrugs
16:49<AndroUser>It just shows 21 gb as unusable (i made a 5gb partition for debian obviously and another as 15gb for other stuff... so 5 + 15 = 20 or 21gb)
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16:50<AndroUser>Ohh i see.. will fat32 work? Thats the only other option in windows disk management
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16:50<movl>nope
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16:50<movl>ext3,4 is your best bet
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16:51<AndroUser>Ahh okay. So would an external software be able to convert it you think?
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16:51<movl>convert ntfs to ext4?
16:51<AndroUser>Yup
16:51<movl>the installer can
16:51<movl>"format as..."
16:51<movl>or something
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16:53<AndroUser>Okay so the installer should recognize the fat32 part.but not the ntfs one?
16:54<movl>AndroUser: no
16:54<movl>fat32 and ntfs are windows-specific
16:54<movl>Linux can read them, but can't boot from them
16:54<movl>I see you are in need for an installation manual
16:55<movl>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
16:55<movl>don't be lazy, read
16:55<movl>then install
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17:00<AndroUser>If your machine has a FAT or NTFS filesystem, as used by DOS and Windows, you can wait and use Debian installer's partitioning program to resize the filesystem
17:00<movl>AndroUser: but you can NOT install Linux on them
17:00<movl>them == fat ot ntfs partitions
17:00<movl>s/ot/or
17:01<AndroUser>But the partition thing in the installer wont recognize the 5gb part or the 15gb part : it only shows "unusable" 20gb s
17:02<AndroUser>So should i delete the 5 and 15 gb ntfs parts. And leave them as free space for the installer?
17:02<movl>yeah, that was the idea
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17:03<AndroUser>Ooh wow sorry im not thinking straight.
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17:07<AndroUser>Okay so the new unallocated space is unusable too.
17:08<movl>AndroUser: do you have any other primary partitions on that disk?
17:08<movl>tell me the layout please
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17:09<AndroUser>Yessir i have C:/ and 2 hp rwcovery partitions
17:09<AndroUser>*recovery
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17:09<movl>so 3 already used partitions?
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17:11<AndroUser>Actually there are 4 used parttitions: #1 208mb ntfs, #2 213gb ntfs, #3 14gb ntfs, #4 108mb fat32.
17:12<movl>AndroUser: here's your problem
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17:12<movl>Linux needs a primary partition to boot from
17:12<movl>and PCs can only have 4 primapry partitions max
17:13<movl>*primary
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17:13<AndroUser>Damn. Do you know what is the difference of a normal and a primary partition?
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17:14<AndroUser>Actually i could gooogle that my bad.
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17:21<AndroUser>Okay looks like im installing to an ext. Hd, for my swap part., how big should it be? I have 8gb of ram. Also do i only need 1 swap partition if i deccide to install multiple linux os's on my ext hd?
17:21<AndroUser>Also how will grub bootloader work if i were to disconnect my ext hd?
17:21<movl>AndroUser: is this a laptop?
17:21<AndroUser>Yessir
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17:22<movl>if you need hibernate, swap should be at least as big as the RAM
17:22<AndroUser>Okay i can do that
17:22<movl>and swap can be shared between multiple Linuxes, as long as you remember which one you hibernated last time
17:23<movl>because when you hibernate, the contents of the memory are saved there
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17:24<niko>ola
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17:24<suelves>hola
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17:24<Guest815>hay alguien de la gangosa
17:24<Marillion>!es
17:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:24<AndroUser>Okay ill stay aware of that -although i never use hibernate when in windows (its normally plugged in)
17:24<movl>!es
17:24<movl>gah
17:25<AndroUser>But any idea how grub will behave if i turn on my pc without the ext hd plugged in?
17:25<movl>I meant hibernate in Linux, of course
17:25<movl>well now, you better install grub on the external drive
17:25<movl>and when the drive is disconnected the lappy will boot windows :)
17:26<Marillion>i think suspend to disk is the better way, for some users
17:26<AndroUser>Yay! Thanks alot for your help! *hands movl good karma*
17:26<movl>:)
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17:27<Guest815>ola
17:27<Marillion>!es
17:27<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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17:27<Marillion>Guest815: this is english channel only
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17:28<promi>hi i'm new to irc, could you suggest a channel to meet people where you can talk about anything useless ;)
17:28<Marillion>debian-offtopic
17:29<promi>thanks for a headstart marco_craveiro
17:29<promi>i meant Marillion
17:29<Marillion>:)
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17:37<cythes>Hmm... now for the big question... to debian or to mint debian...
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17:39<Marillion>your choice, not us
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17:40<cythes>I know, Just something I am thinking about
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17:43<AndroUser>Hey if i am manually making a new partirion from free space in the installe should it be a primary or logical drive?
17:43<AndroUser>It autoselects logical
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17:45<AndroUser>*partirion, *installer
17:45<AndroUser>*partition
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17:46<movl>AndroUser: you want to install on the internal drive?
17:47<movl>I just told you you need primary
17:47<AndroUser>This is external drive
17:47<movl>oh
17:47<movl>...which is partitioned how?
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17:48<AndroUser>Umm i am partirioning free space in the ext hd through the installer
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17:48<movl>are there partitions there already?
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17:48<AndroUser>Its going to ne 25 gb, i plan on also installing ubuntu, arch, linux mint
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17:48<movl>AndroUser: is the disk virgin now?
17:49<AndroUser>No theres only 1 so far, and a whole bunch of unallocated space
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17:49<movl>create a primary for /, another for swap and that's it
17:49<AndroUser>Come again?
17:49<AndroUser>Okay
17:49<AndroUser>And the swap should be logical?
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17:50<movl>AndroUser: your choice
17:51<movl>should you have read the manual, you'd have known by now
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17:52<Marillion>AndroUser: It is always worth while asking a question, though it is not always worth while answering one.
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18:03<perlwizard>separate partition for /home is a very good idea
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18:03<perlwizard>especially on a desktop system
18:03<movl>yes, that is true, I forgot about that
18:04<Marillion>but not required for one user, i think
18:05<movl>why not?
18:06<AndroUser>It said ext3 was recommended for <6 gb, if im using 25gb, should i stick with ext3?
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18:07<movl>ext3 supports way more than 6 GB
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18:07<movl>you can also go for ext4
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18:07<Marillion>movl: AndroUser is a newbie, the installer recommend that for their
18:07<AndroUser>*>>
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18:09<movl>maybe a separate /home would be good, AndroUser
18:10<movl>which is the equivalent of documents and settings in windows somehow
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18:10<movl>as in user-specific data
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18:10<Marillion>AndroUser: it is recommend to do ext4 as filesystem
18:10<movl>my advice? good partitioning schemes don't come at the beginning.
18:11<movl>don't be afraid to experiment, mess up and do again
18:11<movl>until you find the scheme that's good for you
18:12<AndroUser>Thats great advice. For now at least ill mess around in a vm with partitioning to make sure everythings fine.
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18:13<Marillion>movl: don't understand me wrong, but first learn to let go :)
18:14<movl>I don't understadn at all :)
18:14<movl>*understand
18:14<Marillion>:)
18:14<movl>let go of?
18:15<Marillion>Debian use it
18:15<zimme>do i actually need 6 getty's on my headless server?
18:15<movl>Marillion: I am using Debian
18:16*movl is confused now
18:16<Marillion>movl: i mean not you, i mean AndroUser
18:16<movl>oh
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18:17<Marillion>you asking me "why not" this was my answer, not more ;)
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18:24<AndroUser>Hi corsa
18:24<corsa>Hi
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18:25<kidoARG>hi !
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18:26<kidoARG>i've some resolution issues with ati gpu , someone could help me ?
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18:36<Marillion>kidoARG: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#asking
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18:40<Marillion>kidoARG: it is better of any kind problems, you said your issues, not asking for help
18:40<Marillion>!pastebin
18:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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18:56<Marillion>kidoARG: before i it forget: /var/log/gdm/:0* is a good beginning
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19:05<stacyspc>im a new user saying i love ubuntu
19:06<Marillion>why you are here? its nice for you
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19:07<stacyspc>you dont have to be a jerk Marllion
19:08<movl>he's not, you're in the wrong channel
19:08<sig_wall>!ubuntu
19:08<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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19:08<Marillion>stacyspc: trolling anyway, not here
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19:10<stacyspc>its still linux it was a mistake coming to this channel i didnt realize where i was its my first time here
19:11<movl>stacyspc: if I go speaking Chinese at an American convention, that would be ok; after all, we
19:11<movl>are still human
19:11<devil>stacyspc: Oracle has linux as well
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19:13<stacyspc>thanks for the warm welcome people
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19:15<musixuser>hola
19:15<movl>!es
19:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:15<musixuser>thanks!
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19:45<scientes>what do i pass to apt-get to not configure automatically?
19:45<scientes>(so i can change something first)
19:47<abrotman>or set it before you install it ?
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19:49<scientes>i want to install, then change one file, and then configure it
19:50<abrotman>change a file ?
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20:17<abrotman>dreams: can i help you?
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20:24<chickenrun>hallo
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20:38<dan__>HY
20:38<dan__>My name is Danilo
20:38<dan__>I'am from im Brazil
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21:14<scientes>!tell bike about multiarch
21:14<bike>thanks ;>
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21:34<loginix>ubuntu 11.10 desktop environment is something i don't like
21:34<abrotman>and you want to install Debian ?
21:35<loginix>well i enjoyed linux mint.. but i uninstalled my windows 7 and mint partition and messed up grub
21:35<loginix>so i had to use live cd on ubuntu to repair it
21:36<abrotman>loginix: how is this related to Debian ?
21:36<loginix>having trouble with linux mint and looking to get info on installing it back
21:36<loginix>mint is deb related right
21:36<abrotman>loginix: this channel is for *Debian* .. not distros based on Debian
21:37<loginix>ohh sorry
21:37<abrotman>dpkg: tell loginix about mint
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21:38<loginix>abrotman: Thank you. Sorry about that
21:39<abrotman>good luck
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21:40<thelegace>hi i just finished a debootsrap installed squeeze, installed ssh openssh-server and every time i boot it get's stuck at Starting MTA: exim4 and will not finishing booting up
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21:41<abrotman>tried ctrl-c ?
21:41<abrotman>and how long did you wait ?
21:41<thelegace>at least 5 minutes or so
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21:46<thelegace>any ideas?
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21:49<thelegace>is there anyway just to remove all mailserver stuff
21:49<thelegace>since i dont need it
21:50<abrotman>you would use something like nullmailer .. but this situation generally means something else is messed up
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21:55<thelegace>abrotman, now that the mta is gone, openssh server is getting stuck
21:55<thelegace>ssdh
21:55<thelegace>sshd
21:55<abrotman>right, i said, there's probably a larger issue going on
21:55<thelegace>networking?
21:55<thelegace>it seems to fail to bring up eth0
21:56<thelegace>Configuring network interfaces...Don't seem to have all the variables for eth0/inet.
21:56<thelegace>Failed to bring up eth0.
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21:56<abrotman>seems like a problem
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22:08<TheJunk>my debian isn't starting up
22:08<TheJunk>like it get's to the grub menu then it does the startin up stuff then goes to black
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22:08<TheJunk>I think it's because I tried to install the nvidia-glx stuff
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22:09<TheJunk>I did that then restarted
22:09<TheJunk>Now it's just black screen
22:10<TheJunk>navy bluish black
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22:15<kop>!tell TheJunk about vt
22:16<TheJunk>what about the nvidia thing
22:16<TheJunk>why is it like that
22:16<TheJunk>why is*
22:17<TheJunk>I don't know if was because of that or not
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22:24<TheJunk>so am I supposed to use a vt?
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22:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 481] by debhelper
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22:35<TheJunk>anyone know
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22:40<kop>TheJunk: You can use a vt to login on a console and find your problem and fix it. See also the <nvidia> factoid. (Type "/msg dpkg nvidia" in your irc client.) That's about all I know about it.
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22:46<TheJunk>kop: when am I supposed to hit keys to use it?
22:46<TheJunk>the keys*
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22:52<kop>TheJunk: After you get your black screen, or anytime really. Hold down Alt and Ctrl and press (for example) F1.
22:52<TheJunk>I tried
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23:12<ljsoftnet>hello again people
23:13<kop>TheJunk: Then you'll probably have to boot in single user mode. (recovery mode from the grub menu, or add the word "single" to the linux kernel command line in the boot loader.)
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23:23<TheJunk>kop: I tried recovery mode it does the same thing
23:24<TheJunk>I'll try tommorow
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