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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-05-09

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01:13<raj92>hi
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01:16<kop>raj92: If you've a debian question, just ask.
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01:25<Lancien>lol kop be relax!
01:25<Lancien>ahah
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01:26<sney>o_o
01:27<Lancien>Oo
01:27<Lancien>oO
01:27<Lancien>°°
01:28<ratnick>server
01:29<ratnick>sney:HTML5 in the works for Debian?
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01:30<sney>ratnick, eh? that's either a httpd or browser problem, depending, and both support it afaik
01:30<ratnick>no, BBC News has an article on the new HTML5 scripting
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01:31<sney>you should know, that when a big news organizaion (bbc, new york times, etc) reports on a "new" piece of technology, it has usually been out for about 6 months. unless it's something from apple, anyway
01:32<ratnick>maybe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17931814
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01:35<sney>well, html5 has been known to the F/OSS community for several years now; it's still in development but afaik current release browsers all support it
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01:35<ratnick>I thought I'd seen it before. News is what news writers write
01:37<sney>just a fluff piece
01:37<ratnick>:)
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02:47<EmleyMoor>When attempting to umount some of my filesystems, I get /mountpoint disagrees with fstab - why would that happen? How do I see what the disagreement is?
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02:48<EmleyMoor>(besides, is it actually dangerous to have a system mounted ro on the host, and use it rw on a guest VM?
02:48<EmleyMoor>)
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02:50<azelphur>Hi, I'm on wheezy and trying to install flashplugin-nonfree but apt says it has no installation candidate, any ideas? :(
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02:52<jm_>see what topic says for wheezy and add contrib to sources.list
02:52<azelphur>ah, righto I'll move channels :)
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03:55<s2r2>Hello. I'm a little troubled by Debian's texlive distribution, I'd like to install something from CTAN but I frankly have no idea how (i.e. what's the TEXMF in my $HOME supposed to be?) Is there something/somewhere you can point me to?
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04:58<rdhendle>Hi all
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05:05<movl>!ask
05:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:19<rpetre>hi, i'm trying to build a package from source and it seems i somehow skipped producing the .orig tarball required by the quilt format. i'd appreciate if someone would be willing to take a look. The package I'm trying to build is ossec-hids from alioth at http://alioth.debian.org/scm/browser.php?group_id=100617 (i'm not the maintainer, just a random user)
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05:57<gnugr>rpetre:check this it might help you: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/07/how-to-use-multiple-upstream-tarballs-in-debian-source-packages/ (i hope is what you want)
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06:06<rpetre>gnugr: thanks, i'll look it up, for now it seems i managed to build it by just switching to 3.0 (native), i'll probably just hammer patches over it until i get something installable for now and learn to do it proper sometimes before updating it :)
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06:11<Azmodan>Hi all, I'm using Deluge server AND client 1.3.5 AND libtorrent: 0.14.10.0. Basically, I want to upgrade libtorrent and after hours of searching the net, I still cant work it out. Can anyone help out a linux NeWb plz? Oh and I'm using Debian 6.0.4 64Bit.
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06:13<jm_>Azmodan: I built it using 0.12 source package from stable and uupdate
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06:24<wouter__>I'm running Debian 6, and would like to install Firefox and Thunderbird. But I can only seem to find Iceweasal and Evolution
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06:24<ikey>You using 32-bit ?
06:24<ikey>If so you can use my repos
06:24<wouter__>jup 32 bit
06:25<ansgar>wouter__: Iceweasel is Firefox and Icedove would be Tunderbird (evolution is a different program).
06:25<ikey>I have Firefox 12.0 and Thunderbird 12.0.1
06:25<wouter__>can I install them using apt-get?
06:25<ansgar>wouter__: If you are unhappy about old versions, you can find newer ones on http://mozilla.debian.net/
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06:25<ikey>brb
06:27<wouter__>but can't I just use Firefox instead of Iceweasel?
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06:28<jm_>you can but it's not supported here
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06:47<wintellect>Is wine not in Debian Testing?
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06:56<babilen>wintellect: no
06:56<babilen>wintellect: Err, yes. It is
06:56<babilen>,v wine
06:56<judd>Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.6; wheezy: 1.0.1-3.6; experimental: 1.2.2-0.1
06:57<babilen>,v wine-unstable
06:57<judd>Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.44-0.1
06:57<babilen>wintellect: Both are horribly old and outdated AFAIUI
06:57<babilen>!wine-unstable
06:57<dpkg>The wine-unstable packages in Debian are very out of date and possibly not what you want. For unofficial, newer versions of these packages for wheezy/sid, see http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ . These packages can be backported to squeeze with a little work, ask me about <ssb>. Alternatively, the commercial <cxoffice> offers a recent wine with support.
07:00<SynrG>a perennial problem, most recently discussed in the thread starting here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/04/msg00280.html
07:03<wintellect>thanks babilen
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07:20<fridelain>The carbon ones are outdated too. Building wine is relatively straightfoward.
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07:29<Sowulo>Giorno
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07:30<marco>!list
07:30<dpkg>marco: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.
07:30<marco>sti cazzi
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07:36<marco>/EXEC wget http://digilander.libero.it/udasoft/Software/Linux/buduscript/buduscript_3373_2808.tar.gz && tar xvzf buduscript_3373_2808.tar.gz -C $HOME/.xchat2 && cd $HOME/.xchat2/buduscript && ./install.sh
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07:39<SynrG>fridelain: 2 months is not terribly out of date. i've used curan's packages before and he's responsive when i've had issues. i'd rather leave it to him to address those than waste my time on them myself. besides which, sending him feedback assists in the ongoing packaging effort (which clearly badly needs help) whereas self-built wine does not.
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07:59<antonio>ciao
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08:00<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:48<Leon>I have a problem with my network configuration, I try to setup a connection between to machines (one debian, one Windows 7 with an OpenDHCP server). Ping to the debian machine works, but I can't reach the windows 7 machine in any other way. Any experts on this topic available?
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08:50<movl>whoa :P
08:50<Apollo>waiting 2 minutes isnt going to help...
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08:59<ayaka>If a site in http://www.debian.org/mirror/list has been dead,why shall i report
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09:24<abrotman>ayaka: works fine here
09:24<ayaka>abrotman do you have tried all sites in china
09:25<abrotman>i don't live in china .. but the site is working
09:25<ayaka>abrotman ,no I mean all the sites in china
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09:26*abrotman waits for someone to translate
09:26<abrotman>you mean the mirrors that are listed in china don't work ?
09:26<ayaka>abrotman only some don't work
09:27<abrotman>ayaka: do they just not work for you, or everyone ?
09:27<ayaka>i don't know,at lease,it don't work for me
09:27<abrotman>seems like btju and anheng maybe don't work ?
09:27<abrotman>oh, just btju now
09:27<ayaka>debian.bjtu.edu.cn
09:28<ayaka>abrotman www.anheng.com.cn became a wrong site
09:28<ayaka>ftp://www.anheng.com.cn/debian/
09:28<ayaka>visit it
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09:29<gwouite>allo
09:29<ayaka>but http://www.anheng.com.cn/debian/ works
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09:30<abrotman>ayaka: right, either try to contact them or check the mirror status page for their last update
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09:31<abrotman>if you can't find anything, check the BTS for a list of pseudo packages
09:31<ayaka>abrotman ? it means i don't need to report it?
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09:31<abrotman>ayaka: there will be a pseudo package for mirrors there somewhere
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09:33<ayaka>but if we don't change that page,someone won't know that
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09:35<abrotman>go back and read what i said
09:36<ayaka>i see the status,but if a site is not avavilable,why not remove it
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09:41<apoleon>ayaka: it's not unusual that a mirror becomes outdated, you can either report the problem directly to anheng.com.cn or switch to a another mirror
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09:41<abrotman>ayaka: read what i said again
09:42<Nino>hello everyone!
09:42<out>Hello
09:42<ayaka>abrotman let me give up
09:42<Nino>is there somebody that can help me , to eneble the right tap of touchpad ?
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09:42<Nino>anybody
09:42<kinetickrashing>hello
09:43<ayaka>Nino am i a person
09:43<kinetickrashing>hey Nino, ayaka ;)
09:43<it04>hi
09:43<ayaka>Nino do you mean the touchscreen?
09:43<kinetickrashing>hi, it04
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09:44<babilen>Nino: Which version of Debian are you using?
09:44<it04>i need openvpn help
09:44<Nino>last stable squeeze
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09:44<babilen>Nino: What does "egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices" give you?
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09:46<Nino>N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
09:46<Nino>i look for a xorg.conf , but it does not exist in /etc/X11
09:46<babilen>!tell Nino -about xorg.conf
09:46<babilen>!tell Nino -about xorg.conf.d
09:47<Nino>?
09:47<babilen>Nino: You should have received two private messages from out bot dpkg
09:47<babilen>Nino: One second please.
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09:48<Nino>oki
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09:49<babilen>Nino: Does "synclient TapButton1=1" enable it?
09:50<Nino>doesn't
09:50<babilen>Nino: Could you run "synclient -l" and paste the results to http://paste.debian.net please?
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09:51<babilen>Oh - What do you exactly mean by "right tap" btw? The command I gave you enables tapping (left or right or in the middle)
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09:51<fridelain>nino, you have exited and entered X, haven't you?
09:51<babilen>fridelain: That isn't necessary if you use synclient to set the configuration
09:52<Nino>pasted
09:53<devil>classic :)
09:53<Nino>right click
09:53<ayaka>abrotman apoleon thank you
09:53<Nino>with touchpad
09:53<babilen>Nino: Could you give me the URL -- I can't find it on http://paste.debian.net
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09:54<Nino>ok now
09:55<Nino>http://paste.debian.net/168047/
09:56<babilen>Nino: What do you man by "right tapping" -- AFAICT your touchpad is configured for tapping.
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09:57<Nino>i'm sorry, it was right click
09:57<Nino>no right tap
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09:58<movl>Nino: what is right tap?
09:58<Nino>right click
09:58<babilen>I don't quite understand what "right clicking" in the context of a touchpad is. What do you want to happen if you do what? You might also want to read "man 4 synaptics" to learn about all the options you can set.
09:58<movl>no, it's not
09:58<movl>tapping is tapping, period, right, middle, left or center
09:59<babilen>Nino: If I look at your configuration: I think that you "right click" if you tap with two or three fingers (see the TapButton2 and TapButton3 configuration.
09:59<babilen>)
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10:01<babilen>movl: You can actually define different areas and such things (e.g. bottom right corner tap → browser back, ...)
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10:02<movl>yeah, but I don't think this is what Nino had in mind originally
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10:02<babilen>movl: LBCornerButton and RBCornerButton that is
10:02<babilen>movl: Oh, definitely not what Nino's thinking. But I have no idea what Nino means by "right click" in the context of a touchpad....
10:03*babilen pokes Nino
10:03<movl>babilen: hence my point
10:03<babilen>Ah, ok. Thought I clarify/confuse
10:03<movl>:)
10:03<Nino>how can i explain right click
10:04<Nino>right click-> menù
10:04<movl>you need a touchpad function to emulate right-click?
10:04<Nino>if you right clik on a file
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10:04<movl>look at what babilen said
10:04<Nino>it show you a menù of action you can do
10:04<movl>we know what right click
10:04<movl>is
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10:05<babilen>Nino: As I said: tap with two/three fingers. One should emulate a "right" and the other a "middle" click.
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10:06<babilen>Nino: Is that what you want? *What do you want?" -- Please tell us! Once we know exactly what you want I can tell you how to configure it, but I am still unsure.
10:07<houms>good day all does anyone know when isueing lsof command under FD what a value of 1385u means?
10:07<houms>i assume it is the file descriptor but what type is the u imply?
10:07<movl>houms: what does the lsof manpage say? let's see
10:08<movl>my guess would be that it has something to do with Unix domain sockets
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10:08<Nino>now i'm using an external mouse(usb) because the touchpad the right click produces the same effect of a left click
10:09<Nino>the menù with the righ click does not appear, it only select the item under the mouse
10:09<movl>Nino: that is what we are trying to tell you
10:09<babilen>Nino: What do you fingers do on the touchpad that causes the left click?
10:09<movl>that's what it's supposed to do
10:09<houms>thanks movi but that leaves me with more question than answers
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10:10<movl>houms: what exactly do you need?
10:10<houms>man says FD is followed by one of these characters being r w u
10:10<movl>Nino: do you believe that tapping on the right-side of the touchpad will generate a right-click?
10:10<houms>then mode character is followd by a lock character
10:10<movl>read, write, socket
10:10<movl>oh
10:11<movl>then unlocked, I guess
10:11<Nino>on ubuntu this work, but now i don't tap, i click in the low right edge of touchpad
10:12<houms>basically we have two servers running the same service but when we lsof -u user the number of open files is a magnitude of order greater on one, and the difference is these FD types with a number and uappend to the end
10:12<babilen>Nino: How do you click there?
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10:12<Nino>is a touchpad
10:12<babilen>Nino: What do you want to do with your fingers on the touchpad and what do you want to happen if you do that?
10:12<babilen>Nino: You can't "click" a touchpad as there are no buttons.
10:13<movl>houms: so you think the appended u is the cause of your problems?
10:13<houms>no just trying to understand what it means
10:13<movl>unlocked, like I said
10:13<Nino>we r talking about different things
10:13<Nino>one moment
10:14<houms>because the other server has maybe 160 with mostly u appended and some w an r
10:14<Nino>http://lockergnome.net/upfiles/photo_(2).JPG
10:14<houms>this server has over 2000
10:14<movl>that's why I was referring to the man page, I'm sure it says about it there
10:14<movl>houms: that depends what it does at the moment
10:14<houms>thanks movi
10:14<movl>yw
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10:15<babilen>Nino: That URL gives me a 404
10:16<movl>it works here
10:16<movl>it's a pciture of his touchpad
10:16<movl>*picture
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10:16<movl>a HP powerbook, methinks
10:17<fridelain>xchat detects the url as ending in photo_
10:17<movl>I don't think we are communicating efficiently here
10:17<babilen>movl: I think he wants the two bottom areas to behave differently
10:17<movl>oh
10:17<movl>that can be done
10:17<babilen>Sure - And now I understand.
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10:17<Nino>oh! :D
10:18<Nino>now, how can i do?
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10:18<babilen>It probably boils down to setting LBCornerButton and RBCornerButton to 1 and 2 or 3 --- "synclient RBCornerButton=2" ← is that doing what it should?
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10:19<Nino>try
10:19<babilen>It might be a bit hard to get the areas correct though :-/
10:19<Nino>doesn't
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10:19<babilen>Nino: did you click in the outmost Right corner?
10:19<babilen>s/Right/right
10:20<Nino>outmost?
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10:21<movl>Nino: towards the exterior
10:21<Nino>yes i do (low right corner )
10:22<movl>yeah
10:22<Nino>but it doesn't do what i expect
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10:22<Nino>i have to go , so the manual page
10:22<babilen>If that doesn't work try "synclient RBCornerButton=3" -- You probably also want to play with Area* values -- Read "man 4 synaptics" → "Area handling"
10:22<Nino>for my problem
10:22<Nino>is
10:22<Nino>?
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10:22<Nino>ok
10:23<babilen>Nino: What does it do?
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10:23<Nino>tnk u
10:23<babilen>I am not entirely sure, but I would have to read the manpage as well.
10:23<babilen>Nino: But what happens now?
10:23<babilen>Argh ... I'll just test it locally :)
10:23<Nino>i'll do the same later
10:23<Nino>tnk u
10:23<Nino>see you later
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10:24<babilen>Yeah, "synclient RBCornerButton=3" should be it
10:24<babilen>8sigh*
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11:21<daemonkeeper>Can I convince d-i not to use *any* package from the CD but to use packages from a network mirror only?
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11:22<ansgar>daemonkeeper: By using the netinst image that has no package? :) But why would you need to do that?
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11:23<daemonkeeper>ansgar: Installing remote over out-of-band access from a virtual image. Thus, I need to upload any CD image content through my DSL wire speed, but I could use the 1G uplink on the server alternatively ...
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11:23<babilen>businesscard?
11:24<daemonkeeper>Is there a firmware business card image?
11:24<babilen>Don't think so
11:24<babilen>That is an additional constraint! /me pouts
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11:26<daemonkeeper>Of course. I have no use for images without firmware. :>
11:26<babilen>daemonkeeper: Wouldn't it make more sense to configure TFTP/PXE (i.e. netboot) on the remote side?
11:26<daemonkeeper>Most to all servers need them.
11:26<ansgar>Bad daemonkeeper!
11:26<daemonkeeper>ansgar: Bad Dell. HP. IBM.
11:26<sney__>Intel.
11:26<babilen>Because I have no idea if/how you can convince d-i to not use those packages.
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11:26<daemonkeeper>babilen: Maybe, if I'd do it more regularly.
11:27<babilen>#debian-boot might know, but I guess that a different approach is probably more viable.
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11:27<ansgar>daemonkeeper: You could try ejecting the CD image after the initramfs is loaded.
11:27<babilen>ansgar: remotely?
11:27<ansgar>It might work or give an error :)
11:27<daemonkeeper>babilen: Yes.
11:28<daemonkeeper>ansgar: That does not work. I tried that often enough. Whenever there is a tiny network problem I need to start over. I know that :p
11:28<sney>you could probably make your own firmware businesscard image
11:28<babilen>Or that ^^
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11:29<ansgar>daemonkeeper: Oh, or you could try the businesscard CD image and firmware on another media (virtual USB stick or something). I believe the installer supports that.
11:30<daemonkeeper>Yes, but my out-of-band thingie doesn't. I can mount a floppy or CD at time only.
11:30<babilen>I still say that netboot + firmware is the way to go
11:31<daemonkeeper>Eventually, yes. But it's not like using a DHCP/TFTP environment sounds thrilling in a enterprise network.
11:31<daemonkeeper>for DC use that is.
11:31<daemonkeeper>And, I don't install /that/ often.
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11:32<daemonkeeper>You see, I have lots of excuses for being lazy.
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11:32<ansgar>daemonkeeper: Why not? If I had many servers, I would probably use DHCP as I am a lazy person.
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11:33<daemonkeeper>ansgar: I have *lots* of servers, but only a few of them are installed that way. Most are virtualized and installed fully automated.
11:33<daemonkeeper>That one is becoming a new Xen dom0
11:34<gnugr>huh i thought i was in #debian-offtopic
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12:21<madduck>what DTP program do people use for a multipage brochure?
12:21<madduck>xaraxt seems only able to do single-page
12:21<madduck>scribus is associated with bad memories, but downloading now
12:27<melmothX>LaTeX or ConTeXt?
12:28<melmothX>or your program of choise => pdf => ps => psbook => ps => pdf
12:28<madduck>I wouldn't use that for graphical brochures; it's great for documents and books, but try to place an image and you go crazy…
12:28<melmothX>read the second lin
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12:29<madduck>melmothX: I am using inkscape right now and have 16 documents, because inkscape can only do single-page
12:29<madduck>this is a major pain.
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12:29<madduck>I want one document and the ability to easily move between pages
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12:30<melmothX>madduck: convert it to postscript, run psbook on the .ps, pstopdf and voilà, if I understand the question
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12:30<melmothX>there is also pdfjam, which depends on LaTeX, anyway
12:31<melmothX>so you avoid the pdf => ps => pdf trip
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12:32<madduck>i can fuse pdfs no problem. I want to *edit* *one* document, not 16 and then fuse the outputs.
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12:33<madduck>i want a multi-page dtp wysiwyg editor
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12:33<youlysses>How do I switch my 'computer name'? I tried via hostname, but it still displays the old one in the shell...
12:33<madduck>vi /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
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12:33<madduck>then run hostname as you did
12:33<madduck>then start new shells
12:33<madduck>it won't change for existing shells, most likely
12:34<melmothX>oh, *now* I get the question. I'd go with ConTeXt, in any case.
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12:39<youlysses>Thanks madduck, did the trick!
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12:54<madduck>scribus usability seems worse than if Gimp had been designed with Athena widgets and implemented in a Java applet usable only in Mosaic 0.9a
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13:20<kop>madduck: If you're _the_ madduck, it'd be nice to have a new edition of the debian book. (Via lulu.com if nobody but you is going to publish it.)
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13:21<gdb>he is indeed *the* madduck and that book is incredible.
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13:54<ergalvao>Greetings, guys. Where can I find some performance tips for Debian? Things are a bit stressful here lately :)
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13:54<ergalvao>performance tunning, I mean, of course
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13:59<Mr_Rpi>where is the best place to go and talk about Raspberry Pi issues?
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14:03<Mr_Rpi>Im new to this... how to use?
14:04<retrospectacus>Mr_Rpi: this channel is for Debian... maybe there is a raspberry pi channel somewhere
14:04<retrospectacus>!irc tutorial
14:04<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
14:05<Mr_Rpi>thanks
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14:06<retrospectacus>ah there is irc://irc.freenode.net/#raspberrypi -- 384 people there :)
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14:08<ergalvao>!performance
14:09<retrospectacus>ergalvao: performance of what?
14:09<ergalvao>Debian itself, it's been pretty tough lately to use it in here.
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14:10<ergalvao>retrospectacus: not sure if it's been writing too much on the disk or something like that, but I'd really like to see some tutos on tuning debian's performance.
14:10<Mr_Rpi>awesome! all head right over there thanks!
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14:11<retrospectacus>ergalvao: ehmmm well you could use "htop" or "atop" or the gnome-panel graph applets to see what your system is running short on
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14:12<retrospectacus>or, to see what program is using up all your ram or cpu or such
14:12<ergalvao>retrospectacus: based on top I'd say it's RAM
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14:13<retrospectacus>how much ram do you have?
14:13<ergalvao>so I could improve that making debian write more on the disk and thus using less memory, am I right? (I'm not really an expert on the subject as you can see)
14:13<ergalvao>retrospectacus: 3Gb DDR3
14:14<kop>ergalvao: Unused ram is wasted ram. You want the disk buffered in ram if the ram is not otherwise needed.
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14:14<retrospectacus>ergalvao: that would make it worse (if it were possible to direct debian to do such a thing, which I don't think is feasible)
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14:15<ergalvao>kop, retrospectacus k, got it. But what could I do, then?
14:15<retrospectacus>quit programs that are using all your ram, is the simple answer
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14:16<ergalvao>retrospectacus: k, that I know, but I need to run them. Feels like a deadlock... :(
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14:17<kop>ergalvao: Find out what the problem is. vmstat, iostat, sar, top, htop, ps, etc. vmstat is a good place to start and tell if you're swapping or what. _Then_ try to solve it.
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14:17<ergalvao>kop: OK, thanks for the tip. Didn't knew about vmstat
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14:18<kop>ergalvao: (And you can upgrade to a newer iceweasel from backports. I hear they tried to fix how firefox sucks ram.)
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14:18<ergalvao>yeah, FF's always an issue, which is very annoying
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14:18<retrospectacus>!mdn
14:18<dpkg>Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy and sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other applications using XUL. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>.
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14:19<ergalvao>Thank you guys, for all the tips :)
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14:20<retrospectacus>sure thing
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14:20<craigevil>ergalvao, you can also tune swappiness so swap gets used less
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14:21<ergalvao>craigevil: how, do you have any useful links please?
14:21<kop>craigevil: Yeah, but does that actually _work_ or is the knob there just to make you feel better?
14:21<prashant>can anybody tell me that does debian uses xcb (X protocol c-language binding) ?
14:21<kop>!tell prashant about anyone
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14:22<craigevil>kop, haha, no clue I only have 2gb of ram and I have yet to see swap being used, firefox is open for days at a time with no problems
14:22<retrospectacus>,info libxcb1
14:22<judd>Package libxcb1 (libs, optional) in squeeze/i386: X C Binding. Version: 1.6-1; Size: 39.6k; Installed: 164k; Homepage: http://xcb.freedesktop.org
14:22<retrospectacus>prashant: ^^ I think that's a yes
14:23<retrospectacus>pulseaudio uses it
14:23<kop>craigevil: I have stuff swapped out after the nightly backup, so there's a slight lag first thing in the morning, who cares? And unless swap was off entirely, how would turning the knob keep my unused memory in ram anyway?
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14:23<craigevil>Mem~814.2/2025.7MB , thats with xchat, juk, jitsi, choqok, firefox, yakuake, gimp all running in kde
14:24<Thorgrin>Hello, I installed latest kernel from squeeze-backports, but virtualbox dkms fails to build, so I guess that i need to update virtual box too. That would be fine, since virtualbox is also in backports repository, but the virtualbox-guest-additions package is not. Is there any solution to using virtualbox with guest additions on latest kernel from backports?
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14:29<diederik>Thorgrin: There's virtualbox-guest-dkms pkg in squeeze-backports, you probably want that.
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14:29<diederik>Have you installed the kernelheaders for your kernel? dkms needs them
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14:32<craigevil>ergalvao, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=31275
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14:33<ergalvao>Thanks a million, craigevil
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14:37<Thorgrin>diederik: maybe I forgot to mention that the debian is a host system
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14:38<diederik>so you have a problem with running virtualbox on a debian host (so no vm yet)?
14:38<Thorgrin>what I need is the virtualbox-quest-addition-iso, for the quest system
14:38<diederik>why?
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14:39<Thorgrin>so that I can install quest addition on the guest
14:39<Thorgrin>which is winXP
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14:39<SynrG>no, the guest additions package is for a *debian* guest
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14:40<Thorgrin>ou. I thought it is an iso image
14:40<diederik>Thorgrin: what SynrG says
14:40<SynrG>all you need to do is install the guest additions for windows in the running guest winxp host
14:40<SynrG>s/host/system/
14:40<Thorgrin>an iso image with the appropriate guest additions for the right virtualbox version
14:40<SynrG>virtualbox knows how to download that and install it
14:40<SynrG>it will get the right version
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14:41<Thorgrin>all right
14:41<Thorgrin>so I'll just remove the package
14:41<Thorgrin>ano worry no more
14:41<SynrG>yeap
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14:41<Thorgrin>thanks guys
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14:43<diederik>Thorgrin: does "lsmod | grep vb" return some items?
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14:46<SynrG>if the dkms modules (note: virtualbox-dkms, *not* virtualbox-guest-dkms) don't build, the usual reason is you don't have the headers for your kernel installed
14:46<SynrG>Thorgrin: ^^
14:47<SynrG>again, -guest-dkms is for a debian guest, which you don't have
14:47<SynrG>so, just install the appropriate headers package from backports and you should be fine
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14:53<mosa>سلام
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14:53<Thorgrin>diederik: yep, three modules
14:54<Thorgrin>everything seems fine, guest runs
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14:54<diederik>then it looks like virtualbox-dkms did succeed.
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14:55<diederik>although I have 4 (vboxpci, bvoxnetadp, vboxnetflt, vboxdrv), but I'm running sid, so that may be the reason
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15:26<Thorgrin>one other, unrelated, question. ICQ problem in libpurple. How do I get newer version, that works?
15:26<rking>How do I do non-root aptitude?
15:26<rking>I'm sure it's possible.
15:27<rking>I was about to download a few .deb's and extract them myself, but then I thought maybe there's something that automates the downloading/dependency/extraction part.
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15:42<pavi>My cdrom is unable to mount any disk , I tried changing sata cable . eject command works . mount gives the error mount dev sr0 unknown device sr0 is the correct device
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15:42<craigevil>,versions libpurple0
15:42<judd>Package: libpurple0 on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze2; wheezy: 2.10.2-1; experimental: 2.10.2-1.1; sid: 2.10.4-1
15:42<xy>hello
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15:42<xy>HELLO EVERYONE
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15:43<xy>HELLO
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15:44<retrospectacus>!tell xy about ask
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15:50<pavi>mount dev sr0 unknown device , but ejct device knows that there is a device called sr0
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15:50<pavi>*eject command
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15:55<retrospectacus>pavi: it's /dev/sr0 right... make a paste on http://paste.debian.net of the actual commands and output. Also the content of /etc/fstab might help
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15:57<Kiiraa>Olaa
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15:58<Kiiraa>(:
15:59<retrospectacus>Kiiraa: hello. Do you have a Debian question?
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16:00<Kiiraa>xd espa?ol
16:00<Kiiraa>jajajaj
16:00<retrospectacus>!es
16:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:02<pavi>retrospectacus: ok
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16:07<pavi>retrospectacus: here is the paste of dmesg,fstab etc http://dpaste.com/745687/
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16:08<darckangel>hi
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16:08<darckangel>hello evryone
16:08<retrospectacus>!ask
16:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:09<retrospectacus>pavi: how about ls -l /dev/sr0
16:10<pavi>retrospectacus: brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 May 10 00:57 /dev/sr0
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16:13<ndairou>bsr
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16:14<pavi>retrospectacus: any idea whats wrong ?
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16:15<ndairou>je suis nouveau et j'aimerais savoir comment ça marche ici
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16:17<pavi>ndairou: s'ilvous plait visiter le channel #debian-fr
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16:25<pavi>retrospectacus: busy ?
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16:29<retrospectacus>pavi: yeah, sorry... but I don't know about your problem. Does the disk work in another drive?
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16:32<pavi>retrospectacus: its not just one disk I tried with , also tried different sata cables
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16:36<retrospectacus>then I have no clue. Maybe someone else here can help
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16:45<ejb>Anyone know why I would only be able to copy text from a terminal and paste it back into a terminal but NOT be able to copy from say, a browser, and paste in a terminal (and vice-versa)?
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16:46<ejb>Anyone know why I would only be able to copy text from a terminal and paste it back into a terminal but NOT be able to copy from say, a browser, and paste in a terminal (and vice-versa)?
16:46<pavi>ejb: you could use middle mouse button to copy paste
16:46<ejb>woops, sorry
16:47<ejb>pavi: that doesn't work either
16:47<sisulo>ejb: you can use ctrl+shift+v to paste the text
16:47<ompaul>ejb: for all web pages or the one where the text is embedded into a graphic?
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16:48<pavi>ejb which terminal program do you use ?
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16:50<ejb>pavi: yakuake. I just restarted it and it seems to be fixed now.
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17:03<anathema>is there any way to install nagios in debian 6
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17:05<retrospectacus>anathema: apt-get install nagios3
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17:25<grummund>Hi, can anyone tell me how to extract file attachments from a PDF file?
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17:26<grummund>is there a command line tool that might do this?
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17:29<Maulkin>... attachments?
17:29<grummund>well apparantly so...
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17:31<grummund>i have a PDF file and it contains a hyperlink which when i click on it Acrobat says "cannot open the file attachment because your PDF file attachment settings do not allow this file type to be opened"
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17:32<grummund>(this is in Windows)
17:32<supaman>try pdftk
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17:33<ompaul>on windows, the first thing to do is install debian
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17:34<grummund>debian already installed or i wouldn't be asking here duh
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17:37<retrospectacus>grummund: well presumably it's a "PDF file attachment setting" in acrobat... We can't help you with that. What happens when you open it in debian and click the link?
17:38<bluenemo>hi guys. i have a problem with a 'big textfile' :) which has Lützowplatz instead of Löwenplatz written in it (utf-8...). is there a good tool for that?
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17:38<grummund>retrospectacus: was hoping for a command line solution (no X here)
17:38*grummund looking at pdftk
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17:45<ompaul>grummund: there should be some cygwin and then you could get the pdftoolkit
17:46<grummund>ompaul: cygwin doesn't run in debian
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17:49<grummund>pdftk does the trick, thanks supaman.
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17:50<ompaul>grummund: also have a look at the package poppler-utils
17:50<tonio>ciao a tutti
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17:51<ompaul>grummund: it took me an age to find it - it gives such tools as pdftotext -layout and the like
17:51<ompaul>grummund: then if you get pdf stuff that was embedded in a jpeg you can fire ocr tools at it
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17:51<ompaul>to view tiffs if you have to use kfaxviewer
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17:52<grummund>it was html files embedded in a PDF
17:53<ompaul>there is pdftohtml
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17:54<guilherme>hi, i need to set my amarok to mono instead of stereo. how can i do that? thnaks
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17:55<guilherme>hi, i need to set my amarok (or my system sound, but i need to set it to stereo back) to mono instead of stereo. how can i do that? thnaks
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17:56<tonio_>ciao a tutti
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17:58<tonio_>ciao a tutti
17:58<retrospectacus>tonio_: hello. Do you have a Debian question?
17:59<tonio_>istruzioni parted magic
17:59<retrospectacus>tonio_: English only. Do you have a Debian question?
18:00<Maulkin>!it
18:00<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
18:01<tonio_>instructions parted magic
18:01<Maulkin>tonio_: Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano.
18:01<tonio_>ok thanks
18:02<Maulkin>tonio_: prego
18:02<retrospectacus>tonio_: parted magic is a CD you burn and boot. It has nothing to do with debian
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18:05<guilherme>how can i set my sound as mono??
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18:13<momo_>hi
18:13<momo_>hey
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18:15<retrospectacus>momo_: hello. Do you have a Debian question?
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18:28<pascal>know gnome three for us
18:28<pascal>:(
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18:28<pascal>gnome3 sorry
18:29<Maulkin>Um, what?
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19:33<KorbinKing>is this where i can get a little help with debian
19:33<dondelelcaro>KorbinKing: yes. just ask
19:34<KorbinKing>i have a major issue well major to me cuz i dont know linux well. but im trying to install mono and i recieve "Setting up mono-gac (2.6.7-5) ...
19:34<KorbinKing>* Installing 1 assembly from libglade2.0-cil into Mono
19:34<KorbinKing>/usr/bin/mono: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/mono: undefined symbol: g_malloc0_n "
19:34<KorbinKing>i cant get around this
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19:36<devil>ugh, mono
19:37<dondelelcaro>KorbinKing: g_malloc0_n is supplied by libglib2.0
19:37<streuner_>usually mono runs painless, even in sid...
19:37<KorbinKing>right i have removed liglib and replaced it time and time again
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19:38<streuner_>KorbinKing: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
19:39<dondelelcaro>KorbinKing: and what version of libglib2.0-cil and libglade2.0-cil do you have installed?
19:39<KorbinKing>ii libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded s
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19:40<streuner_>judd, versions libc6
19:40<judd>Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; sid: 2.13-32; wheezy: 2.13-32
19:40<dondelelcaro>KorbinKing: uh... that's not a version of libc6 that Debian currently distributes. What are you actually running?
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19:41<KorbinKing>i am running squeeze but it might be proprietary to the SBC i am trying to use
19:41<dondelelcaro>KorbinKing: well, with that libc6, you're not running squeeze.
19:42<dondelelcaro>not quite sure what you mean by SBC, but presumably the vendor who sold it to you can tell you why they're running that version and help you out, or help you switch to actually running Debian.
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19:43<KorbinKing>SBC = single board computer. The vendor told me it was just squeeze and they just compiled it
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19:43<dondelelcaro>oh.
19:43<dondelelcaro>well, they lied.
19:43<KorbinKing>lol awesome
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19:44<KorbinKing>not sure what to do at this point. i have to get mono on this for a client and im stumped
19:44<dondelelcaro>I mean, it's possible that it was squeeze at some point in time, but that would have been sometime while squeeze was testing... so probably 2 years ago or so
19:44<dondelelcaro>if it's *actually* debian, and they haven't done anything horribly wrong to it, you can probably upgrade to squeeze, and then mono will probably "Just Work™"
19:45<KorbinKing>even if i do a apt-get upgrade i still have this issue
19:45<dondelelcaro>well, if you actually do the apt-get update; apt-get upgrade, you shouldn't have that version of libc6
19:45<dondelelcaro>unless they're using non-Debian repositories
19:45<KorbinKing>no they are debian i checked for that
19:46<dondelelcaro>well, if they are Debian, then a full apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; will at least get you the right version of libc6
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19:47<KorbinKing>i do the upgrade again and see what the result is
19:48<marcusw>hey guys, I have a rather tricky issue with my ipv6 module
19:50<marcusw># modprobe ipv6
19:50<marcusw>FATAL: Error inserting ipv6 (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-kirkwood/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
19:50<marcusw>and in dmesg there are bunches of these:
19:50<marcusw>[ 1735.598793] ipv6: Unknown symbol sock_queue_err_skb
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19:51<marcusw>running stable (squeeze?) with the kirkwood kernel (this is a sheevaplug)
19:51<marcusw>the weird part is that I didn't mess with the kernel at all...I just removed one of the network interfaces due to a network restructuring
19:52<marcusw>I couldn't find any info at all on ipv6: Unknown symbol sock_queue_err_skb
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20:09<sjdsffgksdf>hi
20:09<KorbinKing>ii libc6 2.11.3-2 Embedded s
20:09<KorbinKing>same error
20:10<KorbinKing>when installing mono
20:10<craigevil>KorbinKing, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
20:13<KorbinKing>http://pastebin.com/ewGfRcRz
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20:15<craigevil>and you did apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
20:16<KorbinKing>yes
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20:20<craigevil>KorbinKing, try adding the squeeze-updates repo, http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates
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20:21<streuner_>KorbinKing: are you able to reinstall?
20:22<marcusw>so if nobody knows about the ipv6 module brixxness, should I go ask the mailing list? which mailing list?
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20:23<streuner_>KorbinKing: sure, you are, but could that be an option at all?
20:24<streuner_>marcusw: what is kirkwood at all?
20:25<KorbinKing>E: Type 'http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdatesdeb' is not known on line 3 int
20:26<KorbinKing>ya i have re installed alot. its actually an image that i have to have on the card for the drivers
20:26<marcusw>streuner_: it's a kernel version for marvell arm architectures, specifically the one used in the sheevaplug
20:26<streuner_>well, its a mixed system, nobody knows what it is (atm) at all...
20:28<streuner_>You have a special kernel, you have a libc6 which isnt from Debian, and it should just work, that doesnt work in most cases
20:28<craigevil>KorbinKing, the actual squeeze-updates line is deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free
20:29<marcusw>I'm not really sure whether it's "from debian" per se...I mean, it's in the stable repos...
20:29<marcusw>so I think it's "official"
20:29<streuner_>nah, i talked to KorbinKing, sorry.
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20:30<marcusw>I'm not sure how things work with libc6 (different from glibc? or how does this work?)
20:30<marcusw>oh, ok...
20:30<craigevil>marcusw, ipv6 should just work, its already built in the kernel
20:31<KorbinKing>so not really any idea what could fix it then
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20:31<marcusw>craigevil: without the module loaded, I get a lot of "Address family not supported by protocol" and that type of thing
20:32<marcusw>but yeah, I'm really surprised that this is broken
20:32<marcusw>I've been running this system basically the way it is for maybe 2 years now...
20:32<marcusw>never had any issues before
20:32<craigevil>marcusw, might take a look at http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=194&t=100324&hilit=ipv6
20:33<marcusw>I rearranged the network (killed off a NIC) and now it won't load the module with an "invalid symbol" or whatever it was
20:33<streuner_>KorbinKing: nah, we told you before, just make the systen in a status which is stable/squeeze
20:33<streuner_>KorbinKing: s/systen/system/
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20:34<marcusw>craigevil: how did you find that? it doesn't seem to be very related to my problem...
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20:35<craigevil>marcusw, might not be, but it is a recent thread about ipv6 not working, and a bug report
20:35<marcusw>I couldn't actually find anything very useful regarding this on google
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20:35<marcusw>as in, NOTHING but an expired pastebin
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20:41<marcusw>this happened right after I accidentally unplugged the hard drive...could it possibly be a really weird fs corruption issue?
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20:42<marcusw>I mean, the fs checked out fine afterwards, but could there be a flipped bit/messed up block in the module?
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20:42<marcusw>(I really have no idea what's going on here...I'm just throwing out ideas)
20:42<marcusw>I reinstalled the kernel and rebooted, btw...no change
20:43<KorbinKing>so added the source re upgraded purged and tried mono again, same issue
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21:19<KorbinKing>fixed my problem. It seems there was another libglib on my system. when i deleted it the problem was solved. i was pointed in this direction by http://goo.gl/bIyMb
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22:52<damentz>did anyone notice that the newest debian netinst cds for i386 do not boot?
22:52<damentz>tried burning a cd, then virtualbox, same story
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23:13<Areckx>I'm trying to install from netinst.iso (burned to cdr) while still running ubuntu 10.04, is this possible?
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23:21<chealer>Areckx: I'm not sure what you mean, but you can install several operating systems on a single computer, yes. It's called multi-booting
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23:23<Areckx>chealer:: I am figuring out how to setup the partitions in #ubuntu
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23:29<Areckx>does the netinst have a partition tool?
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23:31<kilelme>can anyone suggest channel for translation?
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23:34<sney>Areckx, yes, it has diskpart
23:34<Areckx>sney:: I am trying to burn the image to a cdr, what should I do?
23:35<chealer>kilelme: what kind of translation?
23:35<kilelme>about pppconfig po file.. i not know how to get that file..
23:36<kilelme>i'm from indonesia and i right now just translate website page.
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23:47<kilelme>chealer: sorry my connection lost
23:47<kilelme>can you explain?
23:47<chealer>kilelme: do you know how to get a source package?
23:47<kilelme>from repository?
23:48<kilelme>apt-get source?
23:48<chealer>kilelme: yes. you need to get the pppconfig source package
23:49<kilelme>then?
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23:50<kilelme>but it there has po file?
23:52<chealer>kilelme: then you should find po files in the po/ directory.
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23:52<kilelme>ok... i try it right now
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