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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-05-11

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00:04<sean_>could someone explain to me the value in command substitution? This is the example given in the book:: wherever $(command) is found, its output will be subsituted. This output could be assigned to a variable, as in the system information returned by the command uname -a:: $ SYSTEMSTRING=$(uname -a) $ echo $SYSTEMSTRING blah blahblah Thu May 10 2012 i386 GNU/Linux
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00:07<robbiethe1st>sean_, uh, what are you asking exactly?
00:07<robbiethe1st>$string=$(uname -a) - runs "uname -a", takes the output on the screen and sticks it in $string.
00:07<sean_>robbiethelst: I don't understand why you wouldn't just type "uname -a". Why would you need to assign it a variable?
00:08<robbiethe1st>Mainly if you wanted to use it more than once
00:08<perlwizard>to use it later
00:08<sean_>couldnt you just go through the history?
00:08<perlwizard>thats not how it works.
00:08<robbiethe1st>Especially not inside a script
00:09<robbiethe1st>All these commands, while usable from the command line, are designed to be used inside a shell-script file.
00:09<robbiethe1st>Which is simply a list of commands to be excecuted.
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00:10<sean_>so if you would use SYSTEMSTRING instead of uname -a?
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00:10<robbiethe1st>The only benefit would be slightly less CPU usage, as uname -a only has to be run once, versus simply keeping the information in memory
00:11<robbiethe1st>Again, it's more useful for automation.
00:12<robbiethe1st>Run a script/program once, stick it's output in a variable. Take the contents of that variable, slice and dice it to get out usable information. Take that information, run it into another program.
00:12<robbiethe1st>etc.
00:12<sean_>ahhh
00:12<sean_>okay
00:12<sean_>thank you
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00:15<robbiethe1st>NP. It's actually quite cool, once you figure out stuff to do with it
00:16<robbiethe1st>Effectively allows you to easily automate most any program, create simple interfaces and such.
00:16<robbiethe1st>And you can run scripts just like programs, so you can, for example, setup a key-combination to launch a script.
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00:18<sean_>Yea, I hope (or plan) to be able to use all of these things i'm learning now for more advanced projects, like the ones you stated. For now though my knowledge is not very large, I'm just learning for the lpic next saturday.
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00:20<robbiethe1st>Shell-scripting is great for tying stuff together. It's not great for, say, raw data processing, etc. It's relatively slow, but great for some things.
00:21<sean_>I haven't really dived into shell scripting yet, but it does look pretty interesting
00:21<robbiethe1st>Alternately, a language like Python is good for complex programs, and something like C++ for your in-depth complicated number-crunching
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00:22<sean_>so is 'bash' considered shell scripting, or are they two different things?
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00:35<robbiethe1st>sean_, bash scripting = shell scripting, but there are other shells(ash, bash, dsh, etc) which support much of the same commands
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00:35<robbiethe1st>and methods
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00:51<r0nald>is midori browser more lightweight than opera?
00:52<jardiamj>I haven't used opera, but midori runs fairly well on the raspberry pi, so it must be lightweight
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00:54<r0nald>chrome is just to much for this older pc running knoppix 6.7
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01:02<pentest>hello new backbox
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01:10<Sac>hi, I've installed debian 6 on virtualbox, I can ping my router and google.com but I cant wget puplic sites, I get "unable to resolve" error! what could be the problem?
01:11<Sac>*public
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01:12<jm_>how did you install virtualbox?
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01:13<Sac>sorry let me explain. I have a host of windows 7 x64 (virtualbox is installed on windows host) and I have installed debian 6 as a guest OS in virtualbox
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01:16<jm_>then verify your resolv.conf file
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01:19<Sac>my resolv.conf file contains my router's ip. I tried to change it to google public dns and everything is working fine! should'nt wget/telnet be able to resolve ips if my nameserver was my router?
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01:21<jm_>run 'host -vvvv www.google.com' - you can see which server it queries and what it receives back
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01:26<Sac>I get a reply from my routers' ip '10.15.0.254#53' Trying "www.l.google.com" connection timed out; no servers could be reached
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01:27<r0nald>im trying to install virtualbox and vlc via synaptic and i keep getting the following errors
01:27<r0nald>virtualbox:
01:27<r0nald> Depends: libpython2.7 but it is not going to be installed
01:27<r0nald> Recommends: virtualbox-dkms but it is not going to be installed or
01:27<r0nald> virtualbox-source but it is not going to be installed
01:27<r0nald> Recommends: virtualbox-qt but it is not going to be installed
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01:28<craigevil>r0nald, pastebin your sources.list
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01:28<r0nald>my bad
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01:29<jm_>does it work if you specify IP instead of hostname then?
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01:31<Sac>yes I just tried 'telnet 74.125.232.115 80' and it worked fine
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01:34<iandalton>You know how sometimes you describe a problem to someone, or start typing it up in an IRC channel, and it helps you realize what the problem is? Yeah, that just happened.
01:35<sney>!congratulate iandalton
01:35<dpkg>Good show iandalton, you did it!
01:36<Sac>iandalton, I hope that was my case, congrats
01:36<sney>if only they were all that easy
01:37<sney>Sac, your issue just looks like dns resolution. does /etc/resolv.conf have anything in it? how is your network interface configured?
01:37<jm_>interesting, so some connections do work then - perhaps try a sniffer tool on windows to see if router receives it at all and replies back
01:38<Sac>my /etc/resolv.conf contains only one line 'nameserver 10.15.0.254' and thats my router's ip
01:39<Sac>sney, what do you mean by 'how is your network interface configured?' its set to use dhcp if thats what you mean
01:39<sney>that's what I mean.
01:39<Sac>jm_, I'll give wireshark a try
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01:41<jm_>yeah portable wireshark for windows is easy to use
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01:48<Wir>hi
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01:49<Wir>did anyone hear about debian for tablet pc?
01:50<Wir>I can't find site of that project
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01:53<craigevil>http://makeplaylive.com/
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01:58<Wir>but it's kubuntu plasma
01:59<Wir>my Stylistic works strange with it (or plasma works strange) :)
01:59<Wir>when I put cursor on text field nothing happend
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02:02<Wir>then I right click on it and select input method to othe from 2 variants, after it keyboard shows and when I click on it, there shows which key I pressed, but in text field nothing happend
02:03<Wir>therefore I was want to install Debian cause I hear that came Tablet version
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02:09<Guest262>hi
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02:10<Guest262>? whats this ?
02:11<Wir>?
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02:14<Guest262>debhelper sets channel limit to 482
02:14<Guest262>*
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02:34<bones_was_here>Guest262: it's an anti spam feature
02:35<Guest262>ohh ok
02:35<Guest262>never seen such a thing
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02:44<nocturnal>what can I do in the debian installer if my dhcp doesn't give me a route and I can't get a static ip? could I perhaps go on without a route until /target is created, and then chroot into it and add the route before the ftp download?
02:44<nocturnal>because at network config, /target does not exist
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02:45<nocturnal>I've already requested static IPs from the network admin but who knows when they'll wakr up
02:45<nocturnal>wake
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03:11<scientes_>how do i get gpg to prompt me for my password?
03:11<scientes_>isn't of just failing
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03:35<Guest262>this channel is so not busy compared to ubuntu
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03:36<sig_wall>Guest262: most debian users know how to use man and google
03:36<jardiamj>it's busy enough
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03:37<jardiamj>google helped me find a girlfriend...
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03:38<Guest262>really?
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03:38<jardiamj>no kidding...
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03:38<Guest262>where did you find her?
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03:38<Guest262>lol:D
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03:39<jardiamj>I met her at a bar, but didn't ask for her phone number or anything else, but I remembered her name
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03:39<jardiamj>so I googled her... and Voila... i found her... lol
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03:40<jardiamj>True story Guest262... She is my girlfriend now, thanks to Google...
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03:40<nevyn>jardiamj: that's not creepy.. no.
03:40<sig_wall>and bar
03:40<jardiamj>well, that's true..
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03:41<jardiamj>mmm... creepy? I don't know, I met her at the bar...
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03:42<htmlinprogress>you guys think.. fb? friends of friends on fb.. of other dating sites
03:43<jardiamj>it's amazing how much information about a person on the internet
03:43<htmlinprogress>sorry, but firefox crashed
03:43<htmlinprogress>?
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03:44<gry>fb = facebook
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03:45<htmlinprogress>well women yes,, they just let it fly out there... most i know dont care about sercreity or id thieft just want it to work and just throw it away if it dont
03:45<Wir>so noone hear about tablet version of debian?
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03:46<htmlinprogress>?!
03:46<htmlinprogress>i heard of the kde one 200 pounds
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03:46<htmlinprogress>tell us
03:46<gry>Wir, er, for what hardware would that be?
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03:47<htmlinprogress>meme please?
03:47<gry>sig_wall: good saying there
03:47<Wir>Fujitsu Stylistic ST5032 Pentium M 1.2
03:48<Wir>htmlinprogress: I want to find it. I install kubuntu plasma for tablets, but it's works strange
03:50<Wir>gry: Fujitsu Stylistic ST5032 Pentium M 1.2
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04:02<jardiamj>I got my raspberry pi today, I'm gonna prepare my SDcard with guess what on it?
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04:07<htmlinprogress>raspberry pi?!?! no freakin way!! you go one?
04:07<htmlinprogress>got*
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04:08<nevyn>jardiamj: you seem like a gentoo kinda guy to me!
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04:09<jardiamj>why so Nevy?
04:09<jardiamj>yes, I got it today htmlinprogress...
04:09<gry>nevyn rather
04:10<jardiamj>I should have tabbed it...
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04:12<htmlinprogress>did you hear that Bestbuy a while back ago sold computers with linux on it? 1000 pc out the door within a few hours (ms was piSSSED! and threathen them ) jardiamj
04:13<jardiamj>htmlinprogress: nop, never heard of that one.
04:14<htmlinprogress>dell too for a time, you can youbute it..
04:14<jardiamj>I heard that 10000 units of the Raspberry Pi sold out in a few minutes after lunching though
04:14<htmlinprogress>:)
04:14<htmlinprogress>wait...
04:14<jardiamj>I know that dell was selling laptops with Linux for a time
04:14<htmlinprogress>they still have some pi left right?
04:15<jardiamj>I bought a laptop at the beginning of the year, and I didn't want to get windows 7 on it
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04:16<jardiamj>so I shopped around and the only decent option was system 76
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04:16<jardiamj>but too expensive for me, so I ended up getting a Thinkpad
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04:18<jardiamj>htmlinprogress, I have to get some sleep... good night!
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04:18<htmlinprogress>night jardiamj
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04:19<htmlinprogress>if you need help just mail me jardiamj
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04:28<scientes_>what does the "!" mean with gpg --list-sigs ?
04:28<scientes_>does that mean it cant be revoked?
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04:29<fetcher>clear
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04:30<scientes>fetcher, wrong window :)
04:31<Rhonda>scientes: Only found a description about ! with --check-sigs in the manpage
04:32<scientes>Rhonda, oh cool, i see that now
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04:32<scientes>i was using --check-sigs
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04:32<Rhonda>Then don't say --list-sigs :P
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04:34<scientes>we just had a key signing party go wrong......
04:34<htmlinprogress>i have clonezilla running in a vobx.. can i take a 250.gb and shrink it? if so how small?
04:34<scientes>htmlinprogress, what format is the disk image?
04:34<nevyn>so dell are giving it another go according to ars... but they've got the wrong mental model about how to do it.
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04:34<scientes>htmlinprogress, the program for best compression is xz, but that is only useful for archiving, not using it
04:35<nevyn>like they're talking about multiple software selections as a differentiator and stuff.
04:35<scientes>nevyn, "another go" at what?
04:35<nevyn>http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/05/new-dell-ubuntu-ultrabooks-a-step-in-the-right-direction-for-linux-support/
04:35<nevyn>scientes:laptops pre-loaded with linux
04:35<scientes>nevyn, hmmm, I was just talking to Dell reps at ubuntu uds today
04:36<scientes>and they didn't even say anything....
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04:36<scientes>wait, but I did try out that specific XPS13 ultrabook
04:36*nevyn hates shopping for laptops
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04:37<scientes>that one was prety quiet and light
04:37*scientes still wants ARM netbook....
04:37<nevyn>scientes: with lotsofram tho
04:37<nevyn>like 2gig+
04:37<scientes>nevyn, I'm waiting for the quad-core hard macro comes out, with 2Gig
04:37<scientes>or more with pae....
04:38<htmlinprogress>scientes, i want to do a whole disk clone.. then restore it later(run the os -es ... win 7 starter and ubuntu 10.10)
04:38<nevyn>scientes: the problem is that there have been arm netbooks. but they've had shitty screens and notenough ram
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04:38<scientes>http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/arm-announces-new-quad-core-cortex-a15-hard-macro-variant/
04:38<scientes>^^thats what I want
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04:39<scientes>htmlinprogress, but you don't ACTUALLY plan on ever restoring it....its just theoretical that you want to reserver the possibility, right?
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04:40<scientes>in that is the case, then you should use xz, and how small it will get depends on how much you USED the disk before hand. (cause a backup of a image would backup deleted but unscrubbed data)
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04:43<Infiltrator>What package contains the i686 gcc cross-compiler for amd64?
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04:46<nevyn>scientes: you realise that's a chip not a laptop right ;)
04:46<scientes>nevyn, indeed
04:46<htmlinprogress>yes i need to restore this iso on a different pc .. my linux os has the data ..
04:46<scientes>nevyn, if you are interested in a chip, the allwiner a101 has 1GB ram
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04:47<nevyn>so beyond dualcore 1gig I'm not that fussed about cpu... ram support on arm is something of a concern tho.
04:47<scientes>htmlinprogress, if you know you are going to turn around and use it, compress with gzip
04:47<scientes>much faster than xz
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04:48<htmlinprogress>250 gb (240 used) how much will it compress?
04:48<htmlinprogress>down to
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04:50<scientes>htmlinprogress, I answered that above ^^^
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05:01<htmlinprogress>well i meant by is, i have limited space so i wanted to go from 240 gb to gzip it to under a hundred
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05:08<htmlinprogress>scientes, i dont see the option in colnezilla sever
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05:14<Infiltrator>What do I need to do/what packages do I need to build for i686 on an amd64 system?
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05:17<htmlinprogress>blah blah b..lah.. do you get that?
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05:17<scientes>Infiltrator, if you have wheezy,
05:17<scientes>!multiarch
05:17<dpkg>Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. Multiarch support is a release goal for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110726b http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch
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05:18<scientes>Infiltrator, also, gcc-multilib
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05:19<scientes>but the "proper way" is a 32-bit chroot, started with "linux32 chroot"
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05:20<htmlinprogress>yeah what he said
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05:21<scientes>htmlinprogress, i don't use clonezilla, you can cat the block device into gzip....
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05:21<htmlinprogress>huh?
05:22<Infiltrator>scientes: I'm just trying to compile my own crap to run on i686. I also have gcc-multilib installed; but I don't know what 'host=' to provide. Or should I 32-bit chroot for it?
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05:22<scientes>Infiltrator, 32-bit stuff might require "-m32" CFLAG
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05:23<scientes>32-bit chroot is probably the cleanest and sure-fire way for debian packages
05:23<Infiltrator>scientes: It's not a debian package though.
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05:24<scientes>Infiltrator, why do you want to build it 64 bit?
05:24<scientes>**32 bit
05:25<Infiltrator>scientes: To run it on 32-bit machines. :P
05:25<scientes>Infiltrator, well how are you going to package it to ship to these machines?
05:26<scientes>if it is a simple program you just need -m32, and to install the 32-bit headers (if they are arch-specific)
05:26<scientes>which you do with multiarch
05:26<scientes>..and also the 32-bit libs it requires of course
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05:27<Infiltrator>scientes: Honestly at this point, just copy it across; later I'll look at .debs and setting up a repo.
05:28<Infiltrator>(maybe)
05:28<scientes>yeah, if you can do that it is relatively simple (hopefully)
05:29<scientes>you just need to export CFLAGS="-m32" and then install all the 32-bit headers you need (which will pull in the 32-bit libs) like so: apt-get install libc6-dev:i386
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05:32<Infiltrator>By the way, what's a good place to start for learning to make my own repo and .debs? dpkg-dev? Or the Debian new maintainers guide?
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05:35<Infiltrator>Damn; boost doesn't seem to have a 32-bit lib.
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05:41<themill>dpkg: tell Infiltrator about own repo
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05:44<Infiltrator>themill: Ah, reprepro; thanks.
05:45<themill>yeah, reprepro works quite nicely for this.
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06:00<scientes>Infiltrator, if its in debian, it has a 32-bit lib
06:00<Infiltrator>Okay, there are obviously 32-bit boost libs in the repos; how do I download and install them on the 64-bit machine? 'apt-get install libboost-dev:i386' doesn't seem to do the trick.
06:00<scientes>you might just have to add i386 as a secondary arch with multiarch's dpkg-architecture
06:00<scientes>dpkg: tell Infiltrator about multiarch
06:00<Infiltrator>Ah, okay.
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06:16<redhat>hi
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06:23<Infiltrator>Okay, I can't figure out how to make 'dpkg-architecture' set the build arch: both man page and --help say the same thing;
06:23<Infiltrator>-a sets the HOST arch, but leaves the build arch untouched.
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06:26<Infiltrator>Or do I have to set the environment variables manually? I'll try that.
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06:41<SynrG>Infiltrator: packaging-related questions generally belong on #debian-mentors
06:42<Infiltrator>SynrG: Will do, then.
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07:01<Infiltrator>SynrG: #debian-mentors is telling me that what I'm trying to do (install 32-bit boost on 64-bit machine in order to cross-compile a program to 32-bit) is off-topic there.
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07:02<Edowardo>Is anyone else having issues with pulling ia32-libs from apt?
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07:04<Infiltrator>Edowardo: Just did an 'aptitude reinstall ia32-libs' on amd64 without problems. What error messages are you getting?
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07:07<Edowardo>Infiltrator: getting an Unable to locate package message. I think it's my sources.list, but for some reason I can't generate it properly
07:07<Nino>hello everybody
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07:07<Edowardo>Infiltrator: It's very flaky
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07:08<Infiltrator>Edowardo: Try aptitude; see if you can see the package.
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07:09<Nino>is there anybody that know how to configure the right click of my touchpad? (notebook hp pavilion dv6, debian squeeze)
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07:10<Edowardo>Infiltrator: Turns up empty handed. It's definitely my sources.list now.
07:11<Infiltrator>Edowardo: paste.debian.net; lets see it.
07:11<Edowardo>Infiltrator: sure one moment
07:11<Infiltrator>Edowardo: Gotta run now, though; throw it at the channel.
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07:12<Edowardo>Infiltrator: http://paste.debian.net/168296/
07:13<Edowardo>Infiltrator: alright
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07:21<Sillencer>Can someone help a newb like me ? I have a server with several websites on it, soon there will be like 20 of them. Could someone explain best way to do a backup, what tools to use, and what to backup in my case.
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07:25<abrotman>are they static? DB backed? what exactly do you want to backup? just website stuff? entire OS?
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07:34<asfethan>Sillencer: you can use rdiff-backup to do incremental backups of your web applications
07:35<asfethan>Sillencer: from home you can do remote backup with rdiff-backup too but of whole filesystem
07:35<asfethan>(for example)
07:35<asfethan>if you have mysql
07:35<asfethan>as database
07:35<asfethan>mysqldump is there for you
07:36<asfethan>you can do it on server (launched automatically by cron)
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07:36<asfethan>you will backup those backups with your remote rdiff-backup instance mentioned earlier
07:36<asfethan>Sillencer: ^
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07:56<Sillencer>abrotman: they are all with DB
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07:57<Sillencer>should I do backup to the entire system, or just to the websites, so I could restore everything quickly
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09:15<Edowardo>Can anyone download ia32-libs on a 64 bit squeeze machine using default sources.list? Or am I missing something?
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09:18<Edowardo>Can anyone download ia32-libs on a 64 bit squeeze machine using default sources.list? Or am I missing something?
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09:20<arinov>why when i install any software debian say it is may damage my system?
09:20<arinov>it is software from debian repository
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09:21<Edowardo>Can anyone download ia32-libs on a 64 bit squeeze machine using default sources.list? Or am I missing something?
09:21<craigevil>arinov, you need to install the key
09:21<arinov>craigevil: how can i do it?
09:22<craigevil>arinov, apt-get install debian-archive-keyring just say yes when you get the warning
09:23<craigevil>Edowardo, yes and no need to repeat your question, if you are having issues pastebin your sources.list
09:23<arinov>debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version.
09:23<Edowardo>cure
09:23<Edowardo>sure
09:24<themill>arinov: can you please pastebin the entire output of your apt run along with the output of "apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy packagename" for whatever packages you're talking about?
09:24<arinov>i want to add some aspell dictionaryes
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09:24<arinov>and i type "aptitude install aspell-ru"
09:24<arinov>i recieve this: WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
09:25<Edowardo>craigevil: keep in mind I am in Japan http://pastebin.com/J0zEdKxa
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09:25<arinov>themill: yes i can, wait a second
09:25<themill>arinov: perhaps run "apt-get update" again first.
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09:27<arinov>themill: http://paste.org/49111
09:28<craigevil>Edowardo, looks fine, try to do apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk ,pastebin any errors
09:28<arinov>i think everything is okay there
09:28<jemm>I'm using Wheezy & KDE (all updated to latest) on 10-something machines and in one of them the following behavoiur happens - half a day after login some apps in KDE are not able to launch in usable form (kwrite, dolphin, gwenview, rekonq) - the processes are in S state, but no visible windows are there. This does not seem to affect some of other KDE apps like konsole kcalc, konqueror or kget and g
09:28<jemm>Restarting kwin or plasma does not help. Loging out fixes this immediately, but closing/openig all stuff loses worktime. Does anyone have the same behavoiur and knows a way how to fix this in live (i.e. wthout logging out). Only difference with my other boxes is that this one uses ATI RV620 (Radeon HD 3450) video card in dual head mode.
09:28<themill>please use a pastebin that doesn't insist on showing me ads that I can at least see your paste... paste.debian.net is fine
09:29<Edowardo>craigevil: http://pastebin.com/2HZjZ3Cc
09:29<Edowardo>no go
09:29<Edowardo>not sure what is going on, it worked before
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09:30<arinov>themill: okay, i just google for en-pastebins
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09:31<themill>arinov: http://paste.debian.net/
09:31<arinov>i saw, thx
09:31<craigevil>Edowardo, uname -a
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09:32<arinov>themill: http://paste.debian.net/168314/
09:32<Edowardo>craigevil: Linux RedQueen 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sat May 5 01:33:08 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
09:32<Edowardo>craigevil; this is weird right?
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09:33<craigevil>your install isnt 64 bit, which is why the ia32* wont install
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09:35<arinov>themill: should i repaste first output from update command?
09:35<themill>arinov: that's fine. And what does "apt-get install aspell-ru" want to do now?
09:36<Edowardo>craigevil: ..... wow... Sorry I wasn't paying attention....
09:36<arinov>themill: it wants i every installation type "yes"
09:36<themill>arinov: please pastebin the outpu
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09:38<arinov>it thinks package is untrusted
09:38<arinov>http://paste.debian.net/168315/
09:38<arinov>look
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09:39<arinov>i understand message but i can find cause
09:39<arinov>find out*
09:39<themill>arinov: what's the output of "date" on that machine?
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09:40<themill>(although that should give errors at apt-get update time...)
09:40<arinov>Fri May 11 19:40:12 ALMT 2012
09:40<arinov>present date
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09:41<themill>sounds fine. So what does "apt-key list" show?
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09:42<arinov>http://paste.debian.net/168317/
09:42<arinov>lenny and squeeze keys
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09:43<themill>that all looks completely fine
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09:43<arinov>mystic yes\no wishes
09:43<arinov>look at my sources.list
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09:44<arinov>http://paste.debian.net/168318/
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09:45<arinov>all looks great i guess
09:46<themill>I can't see anything wrong with them at all.
09:46<arinov>themill: me too
09:46<arinov>dont know what it wants ^)
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09:46<craigevil>try reinstalling the key, ive had this same issue in the past even though the correct key was installed
09:47<arinov>craigevil: how?
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09:47<craigevil>apt-get install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring
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09:49<arinov>one has been reinstalled
09:49<arinov>now everything is fine
09:49<arinov>thanks to themill and craigevil
09:49<arinov>others
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10:07<Nickname>hello?
10:07<Nickname>somebody here?
10:08<Nickname>nich/change Koen
10:08<Nickname>nick/change Koen
10:08<staticsafe>Nickname: /nick Koen
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10:09<Koen>Thanks ;)
10:09<staticsafe>np
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10:09<Koen>I want to ask people a question
10:09<staticsafe>go ahead
10:09<Koen>What do you think of this script i wrote? https://sites.google.com/site/llinuxubuntucompanions/projects/regulate-system-access-in-ubuntu
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10:10<Koen>Is there any quicker way in linux?
10:10<staticsafe>I can't see it Koen
10:10<staticsafe>you don't have permission to access this item.
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10:10<Koen>Wait i must change it
10:11<Koen>try it again
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10:13<Koen>staticsafe, have you acces?
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10:14<staticsafe>yes, reading it now
10:14<staticsafe>Koen: userdel has a -r option that removes the home directory
10:15<Koen>thanks
10:15<Koen>what more
10:16<Koen>Could you please comment on it? If you reload the page
10:16<Koen>I will return in one hour!
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10:40<screenn>I downgrade from sid to stable, have copied ~/ folder with evolution mail client, how to restore mail from newer client version?
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10:42<screenn>maybe not quite for this channel, but maybe someone knows
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10:45<Alam_Squeeze>screenn: downgrades are not supported
10:46<Alam_Squeeze>screenn: you had gnome3 and nvidia installed?
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10:46<screenn>Alam_Squeeze I know, just have reinstalled system after fed-up with gnome3 bugs
10:47<Alam_Squeeze>then why not just use a diff desktop env, like XFCE or KDE?
10:47<screenn>no intel gma 3100 with "intel" kernel driver
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10:48<screenn>because I had yet trouble with ttyx terminals - I couldn't typing in there, so in stable everything works perfect, I can use ttyX consoles, and gnome2 very stable and very usefull environment with all working applets
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10:51<Koen>is satiscafe here?
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10:51<screenn>I don't want to say gnome 3 is bad, it's just beta like a sid too, and useless for everyday work for me, I've configured almost everything after reinstall, but suddenly evolution mail db doesn't works after copy to older version, it's only problem what I have
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10:52<staticsafe>Koen: yes
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10:53<staticsafe>your script looks fine otherwise
10:53<screenn>is there any evolution's mail guru for help me?
10:53<Koen>thanks
10:53<Koen>i'm sorry i was gone
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10:53<staticsafe>np
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10:53<Koen>Have you any comments about it?
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10:55<staticsafe>read -p "The Directory this program can access(full path): " DIR - you might want to do a check to see if that DIR actually exists
10:55<Koen>staticsafe, do you know if it possible to hide a user account from the ubuntu login screen>
10:55<Koen>ok, thanks
10:56<staticsafe>Koen: Ubuntu 12.04 with LightDM?
10:56<staticsafe>i would look into LightDM options
10:56<Koen>oke
10:57<staticsafe>Koen: http://askubuntu.com/questions/92349/how-do-i-hide-a-particular-user-from-the-login-screen
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10:58<Koen>thx, i think that will do the job!
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10:59<Koen>staticsafe, do you know if there a such scripts out there like mine?
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11:03<Koen>staticsafe: do you know a elegant way as a alternative to my script?
11:03<staticsafe>Koen: I don't sorry
11:03<Koen>doesn't matter
11:04<Koen>thanks for you're help!
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11:04<staticsafe>np
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11:09<i_like_penguins>I have a bit of a strange newbie problem. I can't seem to find the kernel headers for my kernel. Or update to the kernel that I can get the headers for. Kernel is 3.2.0-1 headers are 3.2.0-2. This is on squeeze
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11:14<mgr342>morita hola
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11:23<inkbottle>Hi, during install process, do you know if there is a way to change the size of the partitions automatically proposed?
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12:17<jthomas_>Good day. I'm not sure where to look for this, but my D6 x64 box has been disabling IRQ #20, which is one of my hard drives. How can I prevent this??
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12:24<SynrG>jthomas_: squeeze? wheezy? something else?
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12:24<SynrG>jthomas_: the kernel will typically do that when it gets tired of hearing 'spurious' interrupts on a particular IRQ. it most often indicates a driver issue
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12:24<jthomas_>Debian 6 (D6), squeeze
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12:25<SynrG>it may, therefore, be solvable with a kernel upgrade
12:25<jthomas_>i'm about to try a new drive itself
12:25<SynrG>could be the controller, not the drive
12:25<jthomas_>i'm fully updated, not sure i wanna move to Testing or not... seems to be a common issue/bug in the kernel tho? per this *buntu post at least, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1883854
12:25<jthomas_>but i know this isn't *buntu...
12:26<SynrG>it's a generic enough issue that if you just randomly google it, you'll get tons of false matches
12:26<jthomas_>yeah it seems to
12:26<jthomas_>to be the case
12:26<SynrG>you would need to narrow the search with your particular hardware in the terms
12:27<jthomas_>i did have some issues with the drive on another system so i'm trying a diff drive, maybe that's the issue, i hope
12:27<SynrG>you don't need to upgrade to wheezy to get a new kernel. there are kernel backports ...
12:27<SynrG>yes, it could be hardware, too
12:27<jthomas_>ah nice, how to find a kernel backport?
12:27<SynrG>or firmware in the drive. some firmwares are terribly implemented
12:27<SynrG>!kernel
12:27<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, mainline 3: 3.4-rc6 , stable 3.3: 3.3.5 , stable 3.2: 3.2.16 , stable 3.1: 3.1.10 (EOL), stable 3.0: 3.0.31 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.13 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.11 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.59 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.62 , linux-next: next-20120511
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12:28<SynrG>!tell jthomas_ about bpo
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12:28<jthomas_>i can get 3.3.5 ?? wow
12:29<SynrG>oh, 'stable' there is upstream's stable
12:29<SynrG>not debian's
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12:29<jthomas_>oh
12:29<SynrG>,versions linux-image
12:29<judd>No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386.
12:29<SynrG>humm, i don't know the magic here
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12:30<SynrG>the names have changed across releases
12:30<SynrG>,versions linux-image-2.6-686
12:30<judd>Package: linux-image-2.6-686 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+44; wheezy: 3.2+44
12:30<jthomas_>thanks
12:31<jthomas_>that's fantastic
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13:12<jthomas_>SynrG new drive wasn't much better, new kernel (so far) seems to be running well... thanks again
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13:21<jlarson>would anyone have any insight about issues using the updetach option with pppd from within a script?
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13:35<SynrG>jthomas_: ya, probably some issue with the controller driver, then. as for your other problem, no idea
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13:36<jthomas_>i don't think i have any other problems... debian-related at least!
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13:40<jlarson>i'm having issues with backgrounding pppd from within a script in squeeze, using the same script that worked under etch. anyone had any experience with this?
13:42<SynrG>jthomas_: right, that's just my inability in a quick scan to tell your nick from others with similar letters ;)
13:42<jthomas_>gotcha
13:43<SynrG>jlarson: etch -> squeeze? that's a bit of a leap forwards. maybe if you pastebinned the script someone would be able to tell
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13:43*xfire78xx sera :)
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13:44<SynrG>jlarson: also, "issues" is not precise. what does it do? make a funny noise? set your cat on fire?
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13:51<jlarson>sure, i can do that. i was just curious if anyone here would have any insight into such a thing
13:52<uttam>creating a debian package now...what is the difference between a .dsc and a .changes file?
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13:52<uttam>both are generated from DEBIAN/control right?
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13:54<jlarson>http://pastebin.com/h3xL0NZq <-- this is a script which works for me on etch, but not on squeeze. it dials into the system, and immediately exits rather than continuing to run in the background
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13:56<ichdasich>jlarson: are you sure, that you purged any credentials from that script prior to pasting it?
13:56<jlarson>there is no password information in that
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13:58<zeropiel>I have a soundcard problem.
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13:59<zeropiel>have an audigy card that worked fine. Tried to enable the sound device on motherboard to get easy access to mic-jack
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13:59<SynrG>jlarson: you mentioned updetach. perhaps http://bugs.debian.org/598551 is relevant?
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13:59<zeropiel>did not get mic to work, but after diabling the device on MB the audigy does not work
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14:00<zeropiel>cat /proc/asound/cards return --- no cards ---
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14:00<jlarson>that is probably it right there... thanks
14:00<zeropiel>lspci reports 05:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev ff)
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14:01<SynrG>uttam: if you're following the guide that creates DEBIAN and populates it manually, that is a very old, very low-level guide. don't follow that.
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14:01<kop>zeropiel: Can you supply the pciid from lspci -nn?
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14:02<kop>zeropiel: (I know nothing about sound but the bot needs a pciid to help.)
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14:02<zeropiel>05:02.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs SB Audigy [1102:0004] (rev ff)
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14:02<kop>,pciid [1102:0004]
14:02<judd>[1102:0004] is 'SB Audigy' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-emu10k1' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0004 http://wiki.debian.org/snd-emu10k1 and the out-of-tree 'snd-emu10k1' module.
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14:03<kop>zeropiel: So, the module snd-emu10k1 is supposed to be loaded. Can you see it with lsmod?
14:03<zeropiel>yes
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14:04<kop>zeropiel: At ths point I'm lost, except for the following:
14:04<kop>!alsa checklist
14:04<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
14:05<kop>!alsa firmware
14:05<dpkg>Binary-only <firmware> was removed from the Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX (snd-cs46xx), ESS Allegro/Maestro3 (snd-maestro3), Korg 1212 I/O (snd-korg1212) and Yamaha YMF (snd-ymfpci) ALSA drivers at linux-2.6 2.6.23-1. Firmware from userspace is now required by these drivers. Ask me about <cs46xx>, <maestro3>, <korg1212> or <ymfpci> respectively. For E-MU Digital Audio Systems devices, ask me about <emu10k1>.
14:05<zeropiel>alasmixer: cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
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14:05<SynrG>btw, SB Audigy is not E-MU in spite of sharing a common driver.
14:05<SynrG>so firmware should not be needed
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14:05<zeropiel>kop: i f'ed it up myself by trying to be smart. Not smart enough to fix it
14:06<kop>zeropiel: As I say, I'm sound clueless. What were you doing to break it? Somebody else might know more.
14:06<SynrG>(as per wiki page which makes it clear that firmware is not needed)
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14:07<SynrG>oh, also on that checklist should be "do you have the speakers plugged into the right sound card (if you have more than one)?"
14:07<SynrG>(i know that may sound obvious, but that has bitten me, and bitten users i've helped more than once)
14:08<zeropiel>synrg: right now there is no device
14:08<SynrG>what device are you looking for?
14:08<uttam>SynrG: thanks for the reply, I basically used dh_helper scripts which is awesome but in its current form the package is proprietary and looking at section 5.2 and 5.3 of debian policy manual they describe control files for source and binary packages
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14:09<zeropiel>05:02.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs SB Audigy [1102:0004] (rev ff)
14:09<zeropiel> cat /proc/asound/cards : --- no soundcards ---
14:09<SynrG>got it
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14:10<SynrG>well, that's on the supported devices list at http://wiki.debian.org/snd-emu10k1 so i dunno
14:10<SynrG>zeropiel: using the squeeze kernel, yes?
14:10<zeropiel>synrg yeah
14:10<SynrG>zeropiel: uname -r
14:10<SynrG>k
14:10<zeropiel>2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64
14:11<zeropiel>if the card is in the lspci-list, it is seated properly, right?
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14:11<SynrG>probably
14:11<SynrG>but who knows
14:12<zeropiel>just had the card out, but did not start up the machine while it was out.
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14:13<kop>zeropiel: It worked before you took it out?
14:14<zeropiel>kop yeah
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14:15<zeropiel>kop: dont like the idea you seem to have :(
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14:16<kop>zeropiel: Ok then. Either it broke or the seating is not good. You could try to clean the contacts on the board with a soft pencil eraser (don't get the debres in the box!) and re-seat the card.
14:16<SynrG>i've had SB Live cards that seat really badly :p
14:16<SynrG>sometimes taking multiple tries to get right
14:17<zeropiel>kop: yeah, i'll try reseating
14:17<SynrG>(probably as much to do with the crappy case it's in as anything else)
14:17<zeropiel>gonna try to use both devices as well
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14:18<zeropiel>poweroff
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14:23*dvs wonders who uses external sound cards anymore
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14:33<SynrG>dvs: collectors of old junk :)
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14:33<dvs>heh
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14:34*dvs likes synthesizer music
14:34<SynrG>but actually there's a midi input on my sb live! iirc
14:34<SynrG>onboard sound doesn't have that
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14:36<SynrG>i'm considering using an external keyboard as an input device for musescore
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14:37<dvs>That's the best way
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14:39<sekt0r>screen -d
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14:46<prototype>hi
14:46<prototype>all
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14:47<prototype>i am new ubuntu user anyone can tell me hw can i customize my desktop in 11.10
14:47<prototype>???
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14:48<blast007>!ubuntu
14:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
14:49<prototype>i am new ubuntu user anyone can tell me hw can i customize my desktop in 11.10
14:49<prototype>??
14:49<babilen>!ubuntuirc
14:49<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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14:49<babilen>prototype: You really want to ask in an Ubuntu channel ^^^^
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14:50<prototype>babilen yes can u help me?
14:51<babilen>prototype: No I can't as this is #debian and we only support Debian in here. Please join the Ubuntu channel or install Debian. Have a nice day and good luck!
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15:17<rusty>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/168368/ http://paste.debian.net/168369/
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15:31<grammoboy>why do I have to give my root passwd when I want to re connect to a wireless network!???
15:31<grammoboy>damn
15:31<Guest331>7y6uthgfbvbrhgtyhgbe5tyjikt7yhm
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15:31<Guest331>redfhtgyjnmghç
15:31<Guest331>nmoljhkl[ḱ
15:31<Guest331>çiklç[ko
15:31<Guest331>çiopçõ
15:31<Guest331>yuuijtyuiçi
15:31<Guest331>]hkl
15:31<Guest331>op
15:31<Guest331>}lk[oi
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15:32<grammoboy>wasn't linus going mad about this issue too?
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15:32<grammoboy>grrrr
15:32<grammoboy>fuck the linux desktop
15:32<ichdasich>?
15:32<ichdasich>configure your dbus system correctly
15:33<grammoboy>don't mind if I loose my wireless in a second, another issue... :/
15:33<grammoboy>configure dbus system, come on!
15:33<grammoboy>I just installed Debian
15:33<grammoboy>damn
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15:33<dvs>Is your user part of the netdev group? I'd try that first.
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15:34<grammoboy>dvs, yep
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15:35<grammoboy>configure your dbus, ok how?
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15:36*grammoboy wonders why he suggests linux to people
15:36*grammoboy you have to be a real believer probably, damn
15:37<ichdasich>grammoboy: yes... yes. good point. i reconmend you stick to this reconmendation and fetch yourself another place to rant.
15:37<grammoboy>breath in breath out
15:37<grammoboy>ok
15:37<grammoboy>how do I configure dbus?
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15:38<jhutchins>grammoboy: There's no reason for you to mess with it directly. Its not the reason for your wireless problem.
15:39<grammoboy>jhutchins, i've a connection, after a while it goes away. I need to reboot to get connection again
15:40<grammoboy>jhutchins, which is there then after reboot automatically
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15:40<grammoboy>jhutchins, if I try to reconnect (which never succeeded) I 've to give my root passwd :/
15:40<grammoboy>again and again
15:41*grammoboy doesn't work for nasa
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15:44<jhutchins>grammoboy: Let me guess, you're not running stable either.
15:45<jhutchins>grammoboy: All the more reason not to go messing things up in dbus.
15:45*grammoboy uses testing
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15:46<jhutchins>grammoboy: Install stable using the installl guide (/msg dpkg ig), follow the <wifi> docs, works for thousands and thousands of people.
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15:46<grammoboy>no comment
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15:49<s_i_m>grammoboy, you use Network Manager or what?
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15:50<grammoboy>s_i_m, yep, via nm-applet I think
15:50<s_i_m>well, then I cannot help
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15:50<grammoboy>np, i look at it later
15:51<s_i_m>grammoboy, you may wish to try alternatives like wicd or use wpa_supplicant directly
15:52<dudu>hi
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16:26<gren>does anyone use softraid0 like me? is it very risky for /home?
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16:28<blast007>gren: depends if you have backups.. RAID0 means that if one drive in the array fails, everything is lost.
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16:29<vodkaabsolute>hi there
16:29<vodkaabsolute>i'm upgrading from lenny to stable.....do you think it will work?
16:30<vodkaabsolute>I'm not sure is lenny is older that current stable distribution
16:30<vodkaabsolute>*if lenny
16:30<retrospectacus>vodkaabsolute: sure, if you follow the upgrade instructions
16:30<retrospectacus>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
16:30<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
16:31<gdb>Lenny is 5.0, current stable is Squeeze, 6.0.
16:31<vodkaabsolute>ok
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16:32<vodkaabsolute>hope that 6.0 does not have the lates version of gnome...is horrible IMO
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16:32<retrospectacus>no it's still on gnome2
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16:33<vodkaabsolute>thanks for the good news:)
16:34<gren>blast007: thanks! i hope it will work stable, i have UPS:)
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16:35<vodkaabsolute>dpkg bot should be integrated in apt
16:35<dpkg>wish i knew, vodkaabsolute
16:35<gren>Who knows good minimalistic music player? gui interested
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16:36<vodkaabsolute>Gren, a winamp like?
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16:39<gren>vodkaabsolute: yep
16:39<gren>now testing qmmp, like it
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17:03<DebianLover>dualbus: if you remember you had a suggestion for my function, yesterday. Unfortunately i haven't saved it. Could you send me it again please?
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17:06<n3lab>hi
17:06<retrospectacus>hello
17:06<n3lab>can anybody help with sound on debian?
17:07<retrospectacus>!ask
17:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:07<n3lab>i don't hear it(
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17:08<retrospectacus>n3lab: did it work before?
17:08<n3lab>so have new installed debian in netbook and i cant' hear smth sound. i see soundcard in "lspci -v" and i volume controls are on
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17:09<n3lab>sorry for my bad english
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17:09<n3lab>alsa is installed by default
17:09<retrospectacus>n3lab: please run ''lspci -nn'' and paste the line for this sound card into the chat
17:10<retrospectacus>you may also verify these things,
17:10<retrospectacus>!alsa checklist
17:10<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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17:11<n3lab>retrospectacus, 00:08.0 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation MCP79 High Definition Audio [10de:0ac0] (rev b1)
17:12<n3lab>root@castle:/home/n3lab# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
17:12<n3lab>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
17:12<n3lab>but i cant hear it o_O
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17:13<n3lab>n3lab@castle:~$ aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
17:13<n3lab>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
17:14<n3lab>and for user there are no messages too(
17:15<n3lab>so any ideas?
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17:17<retrospectacus>mmh, not really.. check the levels and muting in the mixer and the volume knob
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17:17<vodkaabsolute>still some problems while upgrading from lenny to stable
17:18<vodkaabsolute> package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg
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17:18<vodkaabsolute>_/ncurses-base_5.7+20100313-5_all.deb containing ncurses-base:package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg
17:19<vodkaabsolute>unsupported dependency problem - not installing ncurses-base
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17:19<vodkaabsolute>I have no idea on how to address this problem
17:20<vodkaabsolute>google has no answer...at the moment
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17:23<retrospectacus>vodkaabsolute: weird, maybe you need to upgrade to the newest stuff in Lenny before moving to squeeze
17:23<retrospectacus>what version is dpkg?
17:23<n3lab>http://i.imgur.com/NtCju.png
17:23<vodkaabsolute>let me ss
17:23<vodkaabsolute>see
17:24<n3lab>mm
17:24<n3lab>i hear sound in headphones
17:24<vodkaabsolute> 1.14.5 (i386)
17:24<n3lab>but not in netbook dynamicks
17:25<vodkaabsolute>retrospectacus, probably i need to force the installation of dpkg in some way
17:25<vodkaabsolute>?
17:26<retrospectacus>vodkaabsolute: yeah add "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" to sources.list, update and ''apt-get install dpkg=1.14.31''
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17:26<vodkaabsolute>I'll try
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17:27<vodkaabsolute>retrospectacus, should I left the lines with stable?
17:27<retrospectacus>yeah it's OK
17:27<n3lab>:(
17:27<vodkaabsolute>ok
17:27<retrospectacus>n3lab: well you can see that headphones level is up and speakers is down, did you try adjusting that?
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17:28<n3lab>in alsamixer?
17:28<retrospectacus>n3lab: yes
17:28<n3lab>retrospectacus, http://i.imgur.com/NtCju.png
17:28<n3lab>where?
17:29<n3lab>speaker?
17:29<retrospectacus>yeah
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17:29<n3lab>yeeeep!
17:29<n3lab>:D
17:30<n3lab>retrospectacus, 10x
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17:30<retrospectacus>!congratulate n3lab
17:30<dpkg>Good show n3lab, you did it!
17:30<n3lab>^^
17:31<vodkaabsolute>retrospectacus, it doesn't work
17:31<vodkaabsolute>apt-get install dpkg=1.14.31
17:31<vodkaabsolute>ops
17:31<vodkaabsolute>Reading package lists... Error!
17:31<vodkaabsolute>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
17:31<vodkaabsolute>E: Error occurred while processing libcojets2-gfortran (NewVersion2)
17:31<vodkaabsolute>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages
17:32<vodkaabsolute>E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
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17:32<retrospectacus>!apt-mmap
17:32<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get or aptitude? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; If that file doesn't exist, create it, or put the line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ If you still get the same error, increase the value. Alternatively, delete entries within /etc/apt/sources.list that you don't actually need.
17:32<ricardo>how i install gnome 3 at debian 6?
17:33<retrospectacus>ricardo: I think you can get it from backports
17:33<retrospectacus>!bpo
17:33<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
17:34<ricardo>retrospectacus, how i do this??
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17:37<retrospectacus>ricardo: never mind, it appears to *not* be in backports. If you want gnome3 you will need to upgrade to testing.
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17:38<ricardo>have some tutorial?
17:38<retrospectacus>dpkg: squeeze->wheezy
17:38<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
17:40<vodkaabsolute>retrospectacus, FYI , I had to remove the lines in source.list file which contains "stable" word to get the upgrade work...now it's upgrading lenny
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17:40<gdb>vodkaabsolute: It can't be ugprading Lenny to Squeeze if sources.list has no more references to either stable or squeeze.
17:40<gdb>vodkaabsolute: Is it pointing to squeeze directly? (This is recommended)
17:41<retrospectacus>vodkaabsolute: yeah to upgrade lenny with "upgrade" you would need to do that.
17:41<vodkaabsolute>gdp, no it's pointing to lenny
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17:41<retrospectacus>gdb: he had some trouble upgrading, just making sure lenny is up to date first
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17:41<gdb>retrospectacus: Ah, okay, I should scroll back first then. heh
17:42<vodkaabsolute>retrospectacus, yep, I think that was the problem....I was tring to upgrade lenny=>stable without having lenny fully upgraded
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17:42<retrospectacus>vodkaabsolute: let us know how the big upgrade goes
17:43<vodkaabsolute>:) sure
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17:47<vodkaabsolute>I tried to upgrade lenny initially, but probably the sources were pointing to the correct URL(maybe it was too old) or the repository didn't have the lenny files to upgrade
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17:48<retrospectacus>yes lenny has been removed from the standard repositories
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17:49<vodkaabsolute>this line made the job (you wrote it above)"deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main"
17:49<vodkaabsolute>ok, got it
17:50<n3lab>hmm
17:50<n3lab>and how to enable microphone?
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17:52<vodkaabsolute>retrospectacus, I'm impressed by your competence. Are you involved in debian's development?
17:52<retrospectacus>nope I just hang around here
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17:54<vodkaabsolute>well, maybe it was a well known problem but you answer to the mmap problem faster than google does
17:54<vodkaabsolute>;)
17:54<retrospectacus>I stronly believe in a person's right to know what their computer does and to control exactly what it does, I think Debian is the best way to do that, and I'm here to help people with it
17:54<retrospectacus>vodkaabsolute: once you've been here a while you recognize common problems like that
17:55<Marillion>vodkaabsolute: you would like offer to read www.debian.org at news part
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17:55<Marillion>s/offer/often
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17:56<vodkaabsolute>well...in my opinion when there are too many scripts involved ...you loss the controll...especially when you're not an expert!
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17:57<vodkaabsolute>Marillion, thanks for the advice!
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17:57<n3lab>so what about mic?)
17:57<Marillion>you're welcome
17:57<retrospectacus>it's better than having no possible way to know what a thing is doing, eg closed binarys that are so prevalent on Win****
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17:58<retrospectacus>n3lab: you can see in the mixer to press F4 for capture, and find some settings there
17:58<n3lab>i have mic boost and front mic boost
17:58<n3lab>i set it on 100 but not helps(
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17:59<retrospectacus>n3lab: those are Playback settings. see the "View" options in the upper left
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17:59<ljbaumer_>hey does anybody have any experience with the ipw2200 firmware?
18:00<n3lab>retrospectacus, http://i.imgur.com/hR3l1.png
18:00<vodkaabsolute>ljbaumer_, I'm running it right now
18:00<n3lab>mm
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18:00<ljbaumer_>vodkaabsolute do you mind if I pm you?
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18:00<vodkaabsolute>ljbaumer_, ok
18:01<vodkaabsolute>n
18:01<vodkaabsolute>np
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18:01<n3lab>retrospectacus, and where view options?
18:01<bike>anyone got tips on good apache log analysers ? or something that gives a good overview with statistics and all?
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18:02<retrospectacus>n3lab: I think you wanna press <space> on the "Capture" slider
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18:02<n3lab>nothing happens
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18:05<retrospectacus>bike: I've only used webalizer but it's good enough for me
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18:06<n3lab>omg
18:07<n3lab>i got 91 c on proccessor o_O
18:07<n3lab>what's wrong with chromium browser in debian?
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18:08<LtL>n3lab: mine works great
18:08<n3lab>hmm
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18:09<n3lab>acpi -t
18:09<n3lab>Thermal 0: ok, 87.0 degrees C
18:09<n3lab>Thermal 1: passive, 88.0 degrees C
18:09<n3lab>омг
18:09<n3lab>omg
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18:10<n3lab>strange
18:10<zorrilla>kien kiera una conversacion caliente ke me hable
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18:11<LtL>n3lab: i've got a pentium-D 3.Ghz that runs at 190-200F for years
18:11<n3lab>it's netbook and atom
18:12<n3lab>and it's max is 90
18:12<n3lab>and normal temperature is about 50-70
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18:12<LtL>n3lab: open it up and check for dirt/fans etc
18:12<retrospectacus>n3lab: maybe check out powertop
18:13<LtL>n3lab: does dmesg ever show throttling the cpu cores ?
18:13<n3lab>he show that t is critical when it 90 and reboot
18:13<LtL>mine had when the heat sink had a wad of dust in it
18:14<bike>retrospectacus, i've heard of webalizer but i would prefer either a console tool or something that phases the logs and exports them
18:14<bike>or a gui tool
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18:14<retrospectacus>bike: maybe irc://irc.freenode.net/#httpd would have some suggestions
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18:15<bike>i'll check it out, thanks
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18:19<n3lab>and what about nvidia drivers in debian?
18:19<vodkaabsolute>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
18:19<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
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18:19<n3lab>!ask nvidia
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18:20<n3lab>ask nvidia
18:20<retrospectacus>!nvidia
18:20<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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18:27<n3lab>mm
18:27<n3lab>and what version i must install?
18:27<n3lab>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
18:27<n3lab>i have nvidia ion
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18:28<youlysses>Good 3d games in the repos ? I already have warzone2100, and Nexuiz.
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18:29<n3lab>or i must type this command as is?
18:29<n3lab>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
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18:29<n3lab>with " {VERSION} " letters
18:29<retrospectacus>I think it's just nvidia-kernel-source
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18:30<retrospectacus>but I think the dkms one is preferred over the m-a way
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19:03<n3lab>ok. nvidia drivers are works
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19:03<n3lab>and 61 t on processor
19:03<n3lab>great)
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19:05<n3lab>but how to change resolution?
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19:05<n3lab>in xorg.conf
19:05<retrospectacus>n3lab: I use nvidia-settings
19:05<n3lab>mm
19:07<n3lab>hmm. resolution is ok. but fonts are terrible(
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19:11<n3lab>what is antialising settings in nvidia config?
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19:18<Samkov>I am having some real trouble getting my ASUS USB-BT211 device running on my machine, I am on squeeze amd64 and have installed the atheros-firmware package from backports
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19:18<Samkov>I remember getting this working ages ago on another system but totally forgot what I did, can anyone point me in the right direction?
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19:22<david>hola
19:23<david>hola
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19:24<retrospectacus>david: hello. Do you have a debian question?
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19:27<david>okey
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19:42<splinter47>hello
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19:43<splinter47>I wonder if someone can help me out with a problem, I'm having with luninux?
19:45<splinter47>after I installed updates after installing Luninux, the gnome session has visual problems. Some numbers are glitches out with different small color blocks
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20:44<qmr>What's a clever way to know the PID of a process you're starting?
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20:45<qmr>I'm trying to work out how to manage a bunch of game servers.. the old thing I had was to just killall gameserver , killall screen to stop them.. that was when I had 1 server per user.. but now I'm reorganizing things, and 1 user has 4 game servers running
20:45<LtL>qmr: in a terminal, 'ps aux |grep <process-name>'
20:45<qmr>LtL: Right, but there are going to be 4 tremdeds running for one user
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20:46<perlwizard>how do I check if a binary is suid or not
20:46<qmr>in his homefolder, he will have a folder for each server, and a start script, restart script, stop script. so I need to figure out how to have the stop script kill only the right server
20:46<SynrG>p=$(pidof processname)
20:46<LtL>perlwizard: stat filename if the first octal is 3 or 4 its setuid
20:47<SynrG>ideally, when you start the server, save its pid
20:47<LtL>perlwizard: using all 4 octals mind you
20:47<qmr>SynrG: right, that's what I was thinking of doing. how do I save the pid though?
20:47<qmr>SynrG: the bash script for starting the server is "screen -m -d -S bryan-tremulous-server /usr/local/games/tremulous/tremded +exec server.cfg +set dedicated 2 +set net_port 1069 +set fs_homepath base/"
20:47<perlwizard>LtL it says 0755
20:48<perlwizard>must be not suid then?
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20:48<SynrG>qmr: the last process you started's pid is $!
20:48<LtL>perlwizard: right, its not
20:48<qmr>SynrG: duhhh let me see here
20:48<perlwizard>thanks a lot LtL
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20:49<LtL>perlwizard: welcome
20:49<qmr>SynrG: I put echo "$!" > PID at the end of the start server script. but PID is an empty line
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20:54<SynrG>qmr: if the shell script backgrounds the process itself (append &) then the shell will know its pid. if the executable is forking itself into the background, it needs to save its own pid somehow
20:55<qmr>SynrG: neat! that worked
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20:59<SynrG>qmr: take care that you now have the pid of the server, not the parent process that forked it (some servers have an option to run the server in the foreground if they normally fork into the background)
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21:28<corny_>Is there a debian installer with a kernel newer than 2.6.32?
21:29<LtL>corny_: im out on a limb here, but i don't think so.
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21:30<LtL>corny_: possible a testing iso if they have an installer
21:30<corny_>Hmm... ok. For some reason, the debian installer (from netboot.tar.gz) won't detect my HDDs
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21:30<heikkila>corny_, maybe the testing installer, but I think it's generally recommended not to use it if you don't want to test the testing installer. You can install a newer kernel into Debian stable with backports though.
21:31<corny_>I got this netboot.tar.gz from the wheezy repo. It's still 2.6.32
21:32<Aleric>Does debian have a package for the/an android emulator?
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21:44<chealer>corny_: wheezy installer should have newer (not sure about netboot)
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21:45<corny_>I don't currently have any installation media, so netboot is my only option
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21:49<corny_>Ah, here we go. This installer looks newer
21:51<corny_>Now if only it booted...
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21:55<weltaqp>hola cual es el tema de conversación aquí
21:56<corny_>#debian-es (I think)
21:57<corny_>Wooohooo! Debian installer with 3.2.0 :-D
21:58<LtL>!es
21:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
21:59<corny_>pxelinux in the netboot tar I downloaded was failing, so I just used the squeeze netboot.tar.gz with the wheezy kernel and initrd
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22:04<weltaqp>Hello my name is manuel
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22:05<weltaqp>could help me install my integrated video card
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22:06<Overfiend>weltaqp: well, first you need a fabrication facility for printed circuit boards
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22:08<LtL>weltaqp: does 'lspci -nn' show the device
22:08<Overfiend>oh, sure, answer the question he (probably) *meant* to ask. Where's your sense of fun?
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22:09<LtL>Overfiend: its ok, i have no idea what i'm doing
22:09*Overfiend is suddenly relieved
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22:11<weltaqp>VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880 [Radeon HD 4290] [1002:9714]
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22:12<LtL>, pciid 1002:9714
22:12<judd>[1002:9714] is 'RS880 [Radeon HD 4290]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9714 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module.
22:12<Overfiend>weltaqp: are you reading that output via a dumb terminal?
22:12<Overfiend>nice bot!
22:12<Overfiend>judd, pciid 0000:0000
22:12<judd>[0000:0000] is 'Unknown device' from 'Gammagraphx, Inc. (or missing ID)' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0000:0000
22:13<Overfiend>judd, pciid 10000:0000
22:13<judd>[0000:0000] is 'Unknown device' from 'Gammagraphx, Inc. (or missing ID)' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0000:0000
22:13<LtL>weltaqp: does that bot message give you an idea or do you need help?
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22:13<Overfiend>ahhhh, it masks off the low 16 bits! clever shark!
22:14<weltaqp>Ubuntu presice pangolin 12.04 lts
22:15<Overfiend>ah, well there's your problem right there. You're running Ubuntu.
22:15<LtL>uh, wut
22:15<weltaqp>yes
22:15<LtL>weltaqp: #ubuntu is probably the place to ask :)
22:16<Overfiend>don't tell anyone, but that channel name is really just an alias. People got tired of typing #narcissistic-personality-disorder
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22:18<weltaqp>thank very much comunity
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22:19<Overfiend>I guess my jokes lose something in translation. To English, that is.
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22:22<LtL>Overfiend: actually it works for me
22:23<Overfiend>glad to hear it. I'm used to this channel being a lot more active. Maybe it is over on Freenode.
22:23<Overfiend>also, my inference is from statistical data that are fairly...uhm...old
22:24<LtL>ironic though, narcissism and ubuntu dont seem to fit eachother
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22:24<Overfiend>oh, I was just making a Shuttleworth joke
22:24<LtL>personally i dunno what fits unbuntu
22:24<LtL>makes for good jokes tho'
22:25<LtL>its pretty quiet on freenode too
22:26<Overfiend>that's a shame. But with less traffic comes less drama. (Maybe.)
22:27<Overfiend>well, aqueeze-backported iceweasel 10ESR passes the smoke test.
22:27<Overfiend>gar, gotta update my .vimperatorrc
22:28<Overfiend>er, clarification:
22:28<Overfiend>well, aqueeze-backported iceweasel 10ESR *for PowerPC* passes the smoke test.
22:28*Overfiend may be the only person on the planet who has such packages (esp. since they FTFBSed and needed a patch). And that's sad.
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22:46<akels>hey
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22:59<vodkaabsolute>retrospectacus, I'm with squeeze ;)
23:00<heikkila_>I can't boot up after a kernel-update, it just says: Loading, please wait... IP-Config: eth[0,1,2] hardware address [...] mtu 1500 DHCP RARP. For 260 secs, gives up and then it says /init: .: line 218: can't open '/tmp/net-*.conf' ... Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
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23:19<DanishRolls>heikkila, are you using a initrd configured for network boot?
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23:25<heikkila>DanishRolls, no, it's a regular
23:25<DanishRolls>Are you booting up via PXE?
23:26<heikkila>no
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23:37<heikkila>DanishRolls, it is a host for PXE bootable computers, so now I'm thinking I may have made such initrd config
23:37<DanishRolls>Possibly
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