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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-05-13

---Logopened Sun May 13 00:00:25 2012
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00:49<me>me_x
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00:51<oscar>alt-` doesn't do anything in gnome 3 on debian for me. anybody else have same experience?
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00:53<oscar>anybody here?
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00:55<oscar>does anybody use gnome 3?
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00:58<craigevil>check the BTS
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00:59<youlysses>It annoys me how people can't wait ten minutes for a response ...
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01:33<ph4nt0m>oi?
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01:43<kilelme>!ask
01:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:14<grummund>Hi, i'm getting an error with aptitude upgrade... "unable to make backup link of `./sbin/init' before installing new version: Operation not permitted"
02:14<grummund>can anyone help, please? - http://paste.debian.net/168555/
02:16<scientes>grummund, ls -al /sbin/init
02:16<scientes>grummund, and see if its mounted r/o, can you touch /etc/testwrite ?
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02:17<scientes>** touch /sbin/testwrite
02:17*scientes is wondering why it is using a relative path there...
02:18<grummund>~# ls -al /sbin/init; lsattr /sbin/init
02:18<grummund>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 31676 Jan 1 2011 /sbin/init
02:18<grummund>----i------------e- /sbin/init
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02:20<grummund>Hmm... "A file with the `i' attribute cannot be modified: it cannot be deleted or renamed, no link can be created to this file and no data can be written to the file. Only the superuser or a process possessing the CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE capability can set or clear this attribute."
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02:21<sfd>guys why am i banned from ubuntu servers
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02:22<scientes>sfd, ask them
02:22<sfd>how do i ask them
02:22<scientes>grummund, root has CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE, so you can remove that
02:22<scientes>sfd, irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu-ops
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02:23<sfd>thanx
02:24<grummund>But is it safe to do: chattr -i /sbin/init ?
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02:36<scientes>grummund, yep
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02:46<scientes>how do debian people best like their patches?
02:47<scientes>like should I add a version and stuff with dch?
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02:53<ayuba>hello
02:57<scientes>dpkg: tell ayuba about ask
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03:33<pavel_>hi
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03:36<pavel_>fuck you all
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03:43<scientes>that was classy
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03:47<Osiris_X>I just removed deb-multimedia.org from my apt sources.list (finally realised that a) it is not official and b) most packages already exist in official repositories)
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03:48<Osiris_X>how do I find the packages installed from deb-multimedia.org so I can downgrade them?
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03:52<scientes>dpkg: tell Osiris_X about preferences
03:52<scientes>also, synaptic, or aptitude will list them
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04:00<Osiris_X>aaahh but because I have already removed the repository they appear as "Local" in origin
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04:09<scientes>well if you set your preferred match to priority 1001, it will downgrade to it
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04:16<scientes>!apt preferences
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04:17<Osiris_X>scientes: I understand - I can't use that method because it will also ask me to downgrade my unstable and experimental packages
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04:21<scientes>indeed
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05:00<Metal_Warrior>Hi.
05:00<Metal_Warrior>Does somebody speak in Hungarian? (Valaki beszél magyarul?)
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05:04<kilelme>!hu
05:04<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
05:05<Metal_Warrior>Thanks (Köszi)
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05:05<Metal_Warrior>Bye bye.
05:05<kilelme>Metal_Warrior: you are welcome
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05:14<Osiris_X>there is a background process causing all my packages to become untrusted. If I update from within aptitude everything is ok. If I close and reopen aptitude immediately everything is till ok. But if I close and re-open aptitude a day later everything is untrusted again.
05:14<Osiris_X>Any ideas as to what the problem could be? Packagekit? aptdaemon?
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05:22<EmleyMoor>I'm getting the wrong colours in YouTube videos - why would that happen?
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05:23<Metal_Warrior>re
05:23<Metal_Warrior>Madmen's house is there. Offline tag is too much.
05:23<Metal_Warrior>I cannot speak well in English, one or two helps would have been needed though.
05:23<Metal_Warrior>Õrültek háza van ott. Túl sok az Offline tag.
05:23<Metal_Warrior>Nem tudok jól angolul beszélni, pedig egy-két segítség kellett volna.
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05:24<Metal_Warrior>(I'm using webforditas.hu)
05:25<streuner__>!hu
05:25<dpkg>hu is, like, Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
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05:26<EmleyMoor>White is right, but red is coming out kind of blue, distorting related colours... it's "red/blue" swapped I think
05:26<kitsos>i m trying to play a movie using bangarang (uses phonon-vlc-backend) the video starts playing ..and after 3 secs the ALL system freezes... i had the same issue using vlc and fix it using X11 video output at video settings!! any idea howto fix phonon?? also i have searched if there is bug report to ensure the problem but could not find anything ...one more piece of information that may help ... in vlc the problem with videos that freeze ALL
05:26<kitsos>system came up when using the default Xvideo output at video settings
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05:27<EmleyMoor>Only YouTube video seems to be affected
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05:30<Osiris_X>EmleyMoor: doesn't Youtube use flash for it's video player?
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05:30<EmleyMoor>Osiris_X: Yes, I think it does
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05:31<EmleyMoor>Whatever it uses, it's a yukky effect
05:31<Osiris_X>EmleyMoor: and you are saying that all other sites playing flash videos works well?
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05:32<EmleyMoor>YouTube worked fine once today. Will try another site shortly...
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05:32<Osiris_X>EmleyMoor: I would suggest trying youtube in different browsers and also different flash-based video playing websites
05:32<Osiris_X>and the report back what you find to narrow down the problem
05:33<EmleyMoor>Metacafe seems fine
05:34<Osiris_X>what video were you playing on youtube?
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05:36<EmleyMoor>One hidden one and also http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s8b4h_UybLE
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05:37<Osiris_X>EmleyMoor: plays fine for me
05:37<Osiris_X>EmleyMoor: what system are you running?
05:38<EmleyMoor>Well, that confirms the oddness is here...
05:38<EmleyMoor>squeeze with backports, amd64
05:39<Osiris_X>EmleyMoor: hmm ok I'm wheezing so we probably have different versions for 90% for the software on our systems lol
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05:52<EmleyMoor>Colours swapped in Chromium too
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05:53<EmleyMoor>Colours right in the small view when dragging the position
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05:56<Osiris_X>I don't remember if chromium uses a built-in flash like chrome or if it uses the mozilla plugin
05:57<EmleyMoor>Whatever it is, it's very strange
05:57<Osiris_X>EmleyMoor: I am using flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.3 what are you using?
05:58<EmleyMoor>1:2.8.2
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05:58<ma3x>hello, is Intel Wireless 6230 supported in squeeze or must I use wheezy?
05:58<EmleyMoor>Just updated the actual plugin
05:59<Osiris_X>EmleyMoor: do you have anything like Gnash or other version of flash installed?
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06:01<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... gnash is installed
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06:04<EmleyMoor>Removing it made no difference.
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06:06<EmleyMoor>Very odd indeed that the small view when dragging the position slider has the right colours...
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06:13<EmleyMoor>Still working in BGR when it should be RGB (!)
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06:22<marian>hallo
06:22<marian>ist das hir der germen support chete?
06:22<kilelme>!de
06:22<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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06:24<marian>oky danke
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06:24<kilelme>marian: you are welcom
06:25<kilelme>s/welcom welcome
06:25<EmleyMoor>Playing video from YouTube is showing red/blue reversal in the actual video - the small view when dragging the position is correct. How can this happen?
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06:29<melmothX>buggy video driver?
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06:30<EmleyMoor>That wouldn't surprise me - but it's extremely odd
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06:33<SynrG>EmleyMoor: if it's using adobe's flash plugin, you might try downloading the video and playing with your favourite player instead
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06:33<EmleyMoor>SynrG: Really not sure how to do that with YouTube
06:33<SynrG>youtube-dl -t '<url-to-video>'
06:34<SynrG>that will fetch the highest quality video. if your hardware is not capable, try a lower quality version like -f35
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06:35<SynrG>,versions youtube-dl
06:35<judd>Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; sid: 2012.02.27-1; wheezy: 2012.02.27-1
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06:37<SynrG>i've always used this with vlc. it gives me much smoother play. you just miss annotations/subtitles.
06:37*EmleyMoor is trying youtube-dl now
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06:39<EmleyMoor>It would be a big one...
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06:40<SynrG>EmleyMoor: in another terminal you can start playing the .part file while downloading
06:40<SynrG>the download should stay ahead of playback
06:40<SynrG>also, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youtube#Quality_and_codecs for valid values of -f option and what they mean
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06:40<SynrG>note that not all codecs are available for all videos. if you get an error, just try another
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06:42<SynrG>(obviously the download staying ahead of playback depends on the codec you selected and available bandwidth :)
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06:43<EmleyMoor>Dave Jones no longer looks dead, and the
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06:43<EmleyMoor>board is now red again!
06:43<SynrG>yay
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07:42<ayhan>hey everyone, is there a way to maintain the aspect ratio of the screen in ubuntu?
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07:47<Marillion>!ubuntu
07:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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08:06<project2501b>get guys, i got a comment on the intro to "debian Handbook". who do i email/talk to about that, please? any of the authors online?
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08:10<ayhan>hey everyone,
08:11<ayhan>how could i get more resolutions
08:11<ayhan>i mean ubuntu only offers few resolution options
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08:12<Marillion>!ubuntu
08:12<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
08:12<Rhonda>ayhan: Please ask in #ubuntu on freenode.
08:14<project2501b>Debian; I'm just sayin'
08:14<Rhonda>project2501b: Isn't there an author section in the handbook?
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08:23<kitsos>i m trying to play a movie using bangarang (uses phonon-vlc-backend) the video starts playing ..and after 3 secs the ALL system freezes... i had the same issue using vlc and fix it using X11 video output at video settings!! any idea howto fix phonon?? also i have searched if there is bug report to ensure the problem but could not find anything ...one more piece of information that may help ... in vlc the problem with videos that freeze ALL
08:23<kitsos>system came up when using the default Xvideo output at video settings
08:24<themill>project2501b: "reportbug debian-handbook" is an appropriate way of making suggestions -- bonus points for patches as usual :)
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08:33<devil>kitsos: are you using vlc from d-m?
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08:36<Flakk>hello people I have a problem with installation of some packages in debian: my root folder is full now, and the installation is not finished. I remember that there is a command which deals with this, but forgot the name of the command. could you help me?
08:37<Rhonda>Flakk: Are you looking for dpkg --configure -a
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08:38<Flakk>err - it seems to me the command was different, but could u tell me what dpkg --configure is doing??
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08:38<devil>Flakk: apt-get clean will maybe free some space (it will not run though if dpkg hangs, then follow Rhonda
08:38<Rhonda>It tries to finish partial installations
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08:38<Flakk>yeah! exactly apt-get clean
08:39<Flakk>thank you!
08:39<devil>like i said, it might not run
08:39<Flakk>trying --
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08:40<Rhonda>apt-get clean does more or less the same as rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
08:40<kitsos>devil no
08:40<devil>kitsos: ok, ignore me then :)
08:41<Flakk>yeah it cleaned 1 gigin the "root" - so i will try Rhonda s advice now to finish the install
08:41<Flakk>yes it is doing its job. THANX!!
08:41<kitsos>devil is there any config file to configure phonon video settings?
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08:42<devil>kitsos: best ask that in #debian-kde
08:43<kitsos>i have already asked ... no reply...switching to vlc from d-m will it help?
08:43<Rhonda>bad idea
08:44<Rhonda>it will cause a lot of other headaches
08:44<Rhonda>besides that it is unsupported from within debian itself
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08:49<devil>kitsos: au contraire, i thought, it wasyour problem
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08:51<devil>kitsos: and i meant you should ask about the phonon config file in #debian-kde
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09:12<Kunda>how does one make text blink on a xterm-256color terminal ?
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09:19<project2501b>themill: OK!
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09:45<lastwill>does anyone noticed any compatibility issues with amd graphic hardware since the last kernel update?
09:46<AgentC>since my last apt-get upgrade the chatter quassel does not work anymore. it says disconnected from core ; nothing of my normal configuration is left :-( what happend ?
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09:47<abrotman>lastwill: which kernel upgrdae?
09:47<abrotman>sid? stable?
09:48<lastwill>Stable.
09:48<lastwill>actually I installed the proprietary driver but since the last upgrade neither le lastest nor the previous release works.
09:49<lastwill>s/le/the
09:50<movl>AgentC: stable?
09:50<AgentC>movl: jepp, squeeze
09:50<lastwill>s/lastest/latest
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09:51<movl>what does " nothing of my normal configuration is left" mean?
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09:54<AgentC>movl: normally i started up, had all irc-servers at startup at the left bar. now on startup is just the logo to see and it says in bottom-bar : "disconnected from core" , whatever that means. :-?
09:54<AgentC>movl: a try tp
09:54<AgentC>mov1: a try to connect to "the core" by menu fails with no result
09:55<AgentC>movl: in case of "internal core"
09:55<movl>try starting the app from the terminal and paste every message you get to dpaste.net
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09:56<AgentC>oh ha
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09:57<AgentC>mov1: paste.debian.net/168604
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09:58<movl>AgentC: are you logged in as root? o.o
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10:00<AgentC>movl: jepp, i know, but its better for me in this case of infra-configuration. must be accessable any time fastly
10:00<movl>AgentC: don't do that
10:00<ml|>yeah bad idea
10:00<movl>besides, I have a feeling you configured quassel while being logged in as user
10:01<movl>so log in as a normal user and try again
10:01<ml|>dpkg: irc root
10:01<dpkg>Everytime you IRC as root, God kills a kitten. Ask me about <ircroot> and <root>.
10:01<ml|>dpkg: ircroot
10:01<dpkg>rumour has it, ircroot is IRC as root, and unleash the wrath of the Almighty!
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10:04<AgentC>this quassel was configured as it is, root account. it worked all the time pretty nice, until yesterday i made a apt-get upgrade
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10:06<AgentC>oh i see, there were something about mysql in upgrade, may it be that the sql entry is not avail anymore ?
10:07<movl>AgentC: you know best what changes you made to that system
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10:07<movl>anyway, let me repeat: do not run X/IRC clients/whatever as root
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10:11<abrotman>ml|: 'root'
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10:14<msq>hello room
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10:15<NirvAnis>hello
10:16<msq>Can u help me to change the language of menu bars in openoffice
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10:27<alan_>list
10:27<alan_>help
10:28<abrotman>this isn't a warez channel
10:28<abrotman>what do you want help with?
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10:30<flower>u should build up a bot for packages, maybe than that stupid !list works ;)
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10:30<alan_>no,thank you...i just make a mistake
10:31<alan_>it my first time use this Xchat
10:31<flower>ur welcome
10:31<Daemon70>Ahoj všem
10:32<movl>ur? O.o
10:32<abrotman>!list
10:32<dpkg>abrotman: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.
10:32<abrotman>it does work just fine
10:32<abrotman>Daemon70: english please
10:32<flower>aw, kk
10:32<abrotman>Daemon70: or maybve try #debian-cz
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10:34<alan_>oh thanks,but...I am rookie.
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12:07<movl>!es
12:07<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:07<jairo>hi
12:08<kusanagi>Im learning more about packaging, and i noticed there is not a check about the chksum of debian mirror... how do i know the mirror did not tamper the packages?
12:08<kusanagi>am i missing something?
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12:29<squeeze9>i am unable to install linux-image-3.2.0 from squeeze backports
12:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 510] by debhelper
12:30<squeeze9>"Breaks: initramfs-tools (<0.99~) but 0.98.8 is to be installed"
12:31<squeeze9>help
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12:44<Guest542>hi
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13:14<delegate>Hi team
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13:58<Flakk> Hello people I have just installed Ubuntu 12.04 and the corresponding Java 7 and have a strange problem. I need to open a .jnlp file and there is a pop up which asks me with which application I would like to open it. there was no problem with Java 6, the prompt finds itself the good Java "bin" - so what would be the "bin" to open .jnlp in Java 7??
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14:00<EmleyMoor>!ubuntu
14:00<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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14:07<scientes>dpkg: tell Flakk about ubuntuirc
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14:08<mzeki>test 1 2
14:08<craigevil>!Sunday
14:08<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
14:08<mzeki>:p
14:09<mzeki>hey guys, i need some help for a triple-monitor setup. anyone else who might help me?
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14:10<ompaul>mzeki: choose a network don't ask on both
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14:14<sean>I have been using grub to boot for a while, and randomly my computer started using lilo 22.8. I can't find the lilo.conf file, and using lilo -u /dev/sda doesnt work because it cannot find the conf file, but somehow boots up just fine. any help?
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14:22<Kipje>Hello everyone, could anyone help me with some GPU drivers problems? I recenetly installed debian Wheezy and I have an intergrated GPU and a dedicated one and I want to use the Dedicated one, now I installed fglrx-driver and ran the command aticonfig --initial and I rebooted and all It gave me back was a blinking cursor
14:24<ompaul>Kipje: use your bios to disable onboard stuff?
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14:25<Kipje>Doesn't have any settings for it, It's a laptop by the way.
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14:48<perlwizard>what's a good image viewer for linux
14:49<perlwizard>I'm looking for something that can show EXIF and animated gifs
14:49<perlwizard>so far everything fails
14:49<perlwizard>help?
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14:51<DebianLover>i've got .pulse directory and .pulse-cookie in my root directory
14:52<DebianLover>what are they?
14:52<DebianLover>.pulse-cookie is a file
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14:56<scientes>DebianLover, pulseaudio is a audio mixer and sound server
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14:58<DebianLover>scientes: are they hardware dependent?
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15:03<DebianLover>scientes: i see a symlink file XXX-runtime, linked to /tmp/pulse-xxx
15:03<DebianLover>scientes: what does it mean?
15:03<scientes>no, they are not hardware dependant
15:03<scientes>they are part of providing you with sound
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15:04<scientes>you have similar files for X11, that contain the string "MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE"
15:04<scientes>if you are logged out, you can safely delete them
15:04<scientes>otherwise you will likely break your sound for that session
15:05<DebianLover>scientes: thank you very much
15:06<perlwizard>what was the name of debian glsa alternative ?
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15:09<staticsafe>DSA
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15:12<perlwizard>how do I use it
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15:13<valdyn>!wayttd perlwizard
15:13<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, perlwizard?
15:14<perlwizard>trying to find glsa-check alternative
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15:15<valdyn>perlwizard: are we supposed to know what glsa-check does?
15:15<perlwizard>it shows known security issues with currently installed packages
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15:16<valdyn>perlwizard: we dont really do that
15:16<valdyn>perlwizard: we just install security fixes
15:16<valdyn>perlwizard: you can use cron-apt for that
15:16<perlwizard>I see
15:16<perlwizard>thanks
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15:17<valdyn>perlwizard: theres only security support for stable, and normally you should install any upgrade that is available for stable
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15:19<jairo>goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
15:19<jairo>gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
15:20<jairo>gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
15:20<jairo>gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
15:20<jairo>gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
15:20<jairo>gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
15:20<jairo>gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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15:31<scientes>GOL!
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15:38<perlwizard>gol?
15:38<Marillion>perlwizard: ignore it
15:38<perlwizard>ok..
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16:04<Rhonda>perlwizard: There is debsecan
16:05<Rhonda>valdyn: And yes, we do that. :)
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16:07<perlwizard>thanks Rhonda
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16:07<perlwizard>thats the one I was looking for
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16:11<Rhonda>valdyn seems to be behind a bit :)
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16:21<dupondje>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=173679 anyone still hitting this bug in squeeze ?
16:24<ompaul>dupondje: since 2002 ... no
16:24<dupondje>well i'm still hitting it it seems
16:24<dupondje>on reboot, shutdown is hanging on stopping bind9
16:25<dupondje>root 27089 0.0 0.1 3956 636 ? S 22:20 0:00 /bin/sh -e /etc/init.d/bind9 stop
16:25<ompaul>well you should be using a 2.6 kernel
16:25<dupondje>hanging for 5 minutes now :s
16:25<dupondje>I am (squeeze kernel)
16:25<ompaul>then it's not that bug - read the bug you posted in full please
16:25<craigevil>or even better the 3.2 from backports
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16:26<dupondje>ompaul: its simular, bind9 doesn't want to stop correctly
16:27<ompaul>dupondje: 2002 wasn't even etch
16:27<ompaul>we've had a few since then
16:27<ompaul>you have a bug you want to file against bind
16:27<ompaul>you need to find a more modern report
16:27<ompaul>or file the bug yourself
16:28<ompaul>dupondje: also service bind9 stop
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16:29<UbuntuNO>quit
16:29<ompaul>never
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16:30<dupondje>[pid 1616] <... futex resumed> ) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
16:30<dupondje>[pid 1616] futex(0x7f8697b2c08c, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 1243942, NULL
16:30<dupondje>this is last output of the strace of the bind process
16:30<dupondje>and still not stopped :s
16:31<dupondje>its really strange
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16:43<dupondje>bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=570852 seems to be the init bugs
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17:18<diederik>Is there a way to inspect the known_hosts file (ssh)? I want to do some cleanup.
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17:20<diederik>Or: is there a downside to completely wiping it's contents?
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17:23<abrotman>diederik: the downside is to have to approve all the keys again ..
17:23<abrotman>diederik: and clean up how ?
17:24<diederik>I've learned that you should use new keys on a new machine, but I've always restored my .ssh dir from backups.
17:25<diederik>So now when I log into my server I see the wrong machine name who'd connected last
17:25<diederik>but my main question indeed is how to clean it up, since I've found no way to see what line means what
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17:27<diederik>Since I don't have a large 'ssh network' wiping everything and approving the keys again, is an option
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17:29<diederik>But that means I still won't know a way to maintain it
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17:44<qaz_>hi
17:45<qaz_>I can't install kde on sid
17:45<qaz_>I receive this message
17:45<qaz_>he following packages have unmet dependencies:
17:45<qaz_> kde-standard : Depends: kde-plasma-desktop (>= 5:74) but it is not going to be installed or
17:45<qaz_>etc
17:45<qaz_>any help?
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17:46<emss>qaz_ try: aptitude update
17:46<emss>and then reinstalling kde
17:47<emss>the package just might not yet be available in the unstable repositories
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17:48<qaz_>I tried aptitude install kde-standard
17:48<qaz_>same error
17:48<qaz_>so i need to use testing instead unstable?
17:48<emss>try aptitude install kde-plasma-desktop
17:48<emss>and see what it prints
17:49<emss>rather
17:49<emss>maybe you should run that command as a "dry run"
17:49<qaz_>ok
17:49<qaz_>one sec
17:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 501] by debhelper
17:50<qaz_>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
17:50<qaz_> kde-runtime : Depends: libexiv2-9 which is a virtual package.
17:50<qaz_> Depends: libkmediaplayer4 (>= 4:4.7) but it is not going to be installed.
17:50<qaz_> Depends: libntrack-qt4-1 (>= 005) but it is not going to be installed.
17:50<qaz_> Depends: libqzeitgeist0 (>= 0.7.0) but it is not going to be installed.
17:50-!-qaz_ was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
17:51<emss>aptitude install --simulate kde-plasma-desktop <- is the "dry run" i was talking about :)
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17:51<emss>qaz welcome back :)
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17:52<emss>qaz you can try manually working through the dependency issues
17:52<qaz>http://pastebin.com/m0ZPXtHB
17:52<qaz>emss, tnx
17:52<qaz>:)
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17:53<emss>i am looking at the paste
17:53<qaz>emss you know if there is a problem with kde right now?
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17:53<emss>no, i don't use kde
17:53<qaz>k
17:55<emss>this paste is for `aptitude install kde-standard' ?
17:56<qaz>k
17:56<chealer>qaz: unstable is not meant to be used as a default release (except for packagers, basically). use stable or testing instead
17:56<qaz>emss same problem
17:56<diederik>qaz: you may have more succes in #debian-kde
17:57<qaz>chealer, tnx but I always used sid just I find this problem and I wold like to know if the package is broken
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17:59<emss>qaz try installing kde-runtime
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18:00<qaz>nope
18:00<qaz>still same issue
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18:01<qaz>I'm trying another source
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18:03<qaz>aka repository
18:03<qaz>damn still noting
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18:06<emss>you can try aptitude full-upgrade and then installing kde
18:06<emss>but full-upgrade will update all your packages
18:06<emss>and more read about it first :)
18:06<qaz>done
18:06<qaz>but still the same error
18:07<emss>install kde-runtime and manually work through the package errors till you find the issue :)
18:07<qaz>emss tnx for your help the debian-kde team said the package is broken
18:08<emss>ok
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18:11<flexi>hi yaa all
18:11<emss>qaz if you really wanted/needed kde you could manually `dpkg' install the packages, presuming that the error/missing/broken package, would not cause unwanted problems :)
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18:12<emss>hello flexi
18:12<qaz>emss, I'm installing a package from testing
18:12<qaz>let's see if this was the problem
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18:13<flexi>how are u emss
18:13<emss>qaz you were installing from a testing repository on a unstable machine? or just a particular package?
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18:13<qaz>just libexiv2-9
18:13<qaz>yes
18:13<qaz>:)
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18:13<qaz>its working now
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18:17<Mike01>Hi. I have a computer running Debian via an encrypted filesystem. Is there a way to remove the encryption without having to format the hard drive ?
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18:18<Mike01>i.e: Removing the encryption without losing data. I know the encryption key and I have root access.
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18:27<Sky>hi...
18:27<Sky>Oi...Algun brasileiro ?
18:27<Sky>poderia ajudar
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18:28<Sky>help
18:28<Sky>?
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18:28<craigevil>!ask
18:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:28<Sky>pk
18:28<Sky>ok
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18:31<Sky>is possible to create an IRC server with Debian on the local computer?
18:31<Sky>????????????????????????????????????????
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18:33<chealer>!br
18:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:40<qaz>mmhhh pulseaudio is broken too
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18:45<craigevil>qaz, pulse was made broken :)
18:45<qaz>craigevil, hehhehe I know!!!
18:46<craigevil>just glad its not the default in kde
18:46<qaz>unfortunately the audio under linux is really bad ..maybe this is the good oppurtunity to install again oss4
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18:47<qaz>and I hope the guy fro alsa to copy from oss4
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18:47<craigevil>alsa works just fine, unless you have shiny new hardware or a weird setup
18:48<qaz>craigevil, the main proble is : mo hardware mixer
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18:48<Ikey>ltns craigevil
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18:51<qaz>need to restart ..see you later
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18:57<qaz>back
18:57<safinaskar>hi. what dirs is local and what dirs are not local in debian? i want to configure fstab on a nfs diskless station. so what dirs should be mounted local (tmpfs) and what not local (nfs)?
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18:58<safinaskar>squeeze
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19:02<daemonkeeper>safinaskar: There is no clear answer to your question. If you want, you can boot from a NFS root file system which is mounted read only (excluding the usual run/tmp directories)
19:03<safinaskar>daemonkeeper: okey, what is list of this usual directories?
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19:03<daemonkeeper>safinaskar: Nothing you would need to worry about as they are a tmpfs by default anyway (/tmp, /run and such)
19:04<qaz>sweet Oss4 working fine
19:04<safinaskar>daemonkeeper: thanks
19:05<daemonkeeper>safinaskar: This does not include /home of course. That needs to be writable.
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19:05<safinaskar>daemonkeeper: ok
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19:12<hash2>hello
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19:33<debiangreatest>How can I copy and paste so that you can see a section of my syslog file?
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19:46<kingsley>debiangreatest: Please elaborate/
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19:47<debiangreatest>kingsley: I need a pastebin to paste part of a log file so that I don't flood the channel
19:49<kingsley>debiangreatest: Maybe http://pastebin.com/ will work.
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19:51<debiangreatest>my computer hangs up several times a day. I have extracted the part of the syslog file that shows exactly what happens at the very moment the computer hangs up until I reset it powering it off http://pastebin.com/nbG17S2C
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19:52<devil>debiangreatest: seems, your nouveau driver is not behaving well
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19:53<debiangreatest>devil: My graphic card is a Riva TNT2, there are other computers where I have installed this debian distro (squeeze) and they work well. I have formatted the computer several times and the problem remains, should I use another driver instead of nouveau?
19:54<devil>debiangreatest: Riva TNT2 is a quite old card. I have no idea how it works with nouveau
19:55<devil>debiangreatest: if i was you, i would get a cheap new card
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19:56<debiangreatest>devil: what's the alternative? what non nouveau driver should I use? nv?
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19:57<devil>debiangreatest: nv is still in stable afaik, but will be gone with next release. vesa might be an alternative. you might want to try if there is a proprietary nvidia driver for that card
19:58<debiangreatest>devil: how would you go about finding the propietary driver? is that in debian repositories?
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19:59<Mike01>I have a computer running Debian via an encrypted filesystem. Is there a way to remove the encryption without having to format the hard drive ?
19:59<Mike01>i.e: Removing the encryption without losing data. I know the encryption key and I have root access.
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19:59<Mike01>Most help docs/forums assumed that doing so would have something to do with stolen computers... This is not the case.
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20:01<devil>debiangreatest: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
20:04<debiangreatest>devil: and how would you use the vesa driver? how would I config my ssystem to use vesa instead of nouveau?
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20:05<devil>debiangreatest: removing nouveau should be enough
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20:06<debiangreatest>devil: and vesa will be used automatically? without having to edit any files?
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20:13<LiberoMuratore>prova
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20:29<qlewa>hi
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20:30<qlewa>are you man?
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20:32<devil>qlewa: wrong channel
20:34<chealer>devil: the proprietary driver doesn't support TNT2 anymore
20:35<devil>chealer: thanks for confirming, I was afraid it would not
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20:50<Mike01>I have a computer running Debian via an encrypted filesystem. Is there a way to remove the encryption without having to format the hard drive ?
20:50<Mike01>i.e: Removing the encryption without losing data. I know the encryption key and I have root access.
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21:19<rudi_s>Mike01: AFAIK no.
21:19<rudi_s>The only way I know is backup, reformat, restore.
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21:30<Mike01>Alright, thanks for the answer rudi.
21:31<Areckx>Is it possible to install using netinst from USB by resizing a partition currently being used for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS ?
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21:31<Areckx>I had errors last time with installing GRUB/LILO/EILO and the installation couldn't procede
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21:32<Areckx>At the moment I have a single partition and it is running Ubuntu 10.04
21:32<craigevil>you can skip installing grub and just edit the grub ubuntu installed and add the debian info
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21:43<Areckx>craigevil, how can I do that?
21:44<craigevil>choose expert
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21:48<milu>hello
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21:49<milu>anyone there who could help me with my soundcard problem? i cant get any sound out from my laptop's speakers :S
21:49<craigevil>!alsa-checklist
21:49<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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21:52<milu>added myself to the audio grp already, can't raise channels only mute and unmute with alsamixer, and my speakers are on, aplay works as root but still no sound
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21:52<bruna>oii
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21:57<milu>any idea?
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22:01<milu>and i checked it and there's no pulseaudio nor oss4 packages so i don't know what can be the problem
22:02<nevyn>milu: did you logout and login again?
22:02<milu>yes. after i added myself to the audio group
22:03<Areckx>craigevil:: Do I do that in the netinst or in ubuntu?
22:04<craigevil>use expert mode on the installer, might need the business installer, not sure if the netinsall has it
22:05<dodo_> hey... i'm experiencing a misbehavior with last version of libreoffice. i have recorded the desktop to show how to reproduce the error. it's a bit tricky, so i want to insert some comments on the video... do you know any application to do that task?
22:05<Areckx>craigevil:: what would I do once in expert mode?
22:05<milu>got this error msg when i try 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav'
22:05<craigevil>skip installing grub then edit the grub config on your ubuntu install
22:05<milu>'aplay: set_params:1059: Channels count non available'
22:06<craigevil>milu, take a look at https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/craigevil-176422/trouble-shooting-alsa-on-debian-3018/
22:06<Areckx>craigevil:: Ok I will find out more about it on #ubuntu on freenode
22:06<Areckx>craigevil:: thank you
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22:17<nyov>is there a preferred approach to building debian packages from a git upstream, that also works in team environments? I do get confused by all the documentation on gbp, topgit, dpm -- which way to go?
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22:25<scientes>nyov, gbp i would think, but it is a problem i've been interested in solving
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22:32<teratosis>I want my current user account to have all rights like my root account has, if my account name is "tester" how do I make tester have the same rights as root? thanks
22:32<teratosis>what is the command?
22:33<craigevil>teratosis, add your user to the admin group
22:33<teratosis>i don't know how unfortunately.
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22:33<teratosis>new to debian
22:33<nyov>adduser teratosis admin
22:33<craigevil>then you dont want your user to have the same rights as root, thats a good way to trash your install
22:33<craigevil>stick with using su or sudo
22:34<milu>tried that alsa-info.sh script. can i 'upload' it somewhere to get someone a view on it?
22:34<nyov>is there even an admin group? :D
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22:34<teratosis>there are too many files and folders which are locked
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22:35<craigevil>nyov, yes but usually only root is in the admin group
22:35<nevyn>milu: it'll give you a url after you upload
22:35<nyov>scientes: what's the problem you want to solve?
22:35<nevyn>which is a wiki page on the alsa website.
22:36<milu>http://pastebin.ca/2148193
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22:36<craigevil>!tell teratosis about sudo
22:37<craigevil>!tell teratosis about grounding
22:37<teratosis>i use sudo from the terminal
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22:39<scientes>nyov, easy and quick install from trunk of debian packages
22:39<nyov>regarding packaging, is there a workflow that lets me work directly with upstream git tags instead of .orig.tar.gz?
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22:39<scientes>nyov, alot of debian packages are managed in git at git.debian.org
22:40<scientes>however not every package imports the upstream history, some just import upstream tarballs
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22:40<nyov>scientes: yes, that's what I mean. how to track upstream directly?
22:41<scientes>nyov, you have to extract the debian directory, and rebase that ontop of upstream
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22:42<scientes>and check if quilt packages still apply/are applicable
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22:44<n3lab>re2all
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22:44<n3lab>so it's time to repair mic :)
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22:48<milu>restarted and still no luck with that soundcard problem :/ nevyn: had a chance to check the url?
22:49<n3lab>what is with soundcard?
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22:49<n3lab>!alsa
22:49<dpkg>The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <default alsa>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
22:49<n3lab>check plz.it helps me yesterday
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22:50<n3lab>!alsa checklist
22:50<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
22:51<milu>i'm through these and still no sound.
22:51<n3lab>aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
22:51<milu>here's my stuff: http://pastebin.ca/2148193
22:51<n3lab>this works?
22:52<milu>nope
22:52<n3lab>and what says?
22:52<milu>aplay: main:654: audio open error: No such file or directory
22:53<n3lab>mm
22:53<nevyn>so you have two soundcards?
22:53<nevyn>milu: ??
22:53<nevyn>milu: try alsamixer -c 1
22:53<nevyn>then turn stuff up
22:53<nevyn>then run aplay -D plughw:1 somewavfile
22:54<milu>same error msg for alsamixer -c 1
22:54<nevyn>milu: what error?
22:54<milu>i have 1 soundcard btw
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22:55<milu>alsamixer -c 1 --> invalid card index: 1
22:55<nevyn>milu: I see 2
22:55<nevyn>ted and still no luck with that soundcard problem :/ nevyn: had a chance to check the url?
22:55<milu>tried with 0 instead of 1 and it opened alsamixer
22:55<nevyn>12:47 < n3lab> what is with soundcard?
22:56<nevyn>0 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic HD-Audio Generic at 0xf0444000 irq 19
22:56<nevyn>1 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xf0440000 irq 16
22:56<nevyn>so 2 soundcards
22:56<milu>i have 1 soundcard. the other one in the list could be because of the integrated vga
22:56<nevyn>right.
22:56<nevyn>so 2 soundcards.
22:56<milu>alsamixer opened with the Generic one and i can only mute/unmute but no volume control
22:57<nevyn>the generic one will be the video card
22:57<milu>aplay -l lists only the generic one btw
22:57<nevyn>whats in /proc/asound/cards
22:57<milu>only the generic one... :/
22:57<nevyn>that's bad.
22:58<nevyn>did you disable it in the bios or something silly?
22:58<milu>nope
22:58<n3lab>so use generic?
22:58<nevyn>isit in lspci?
22:58<nevyn>nope
22:58<nevyn>generic is the hdmi audio output of the onboard video controller.
22:58<nevyn>milu: so it used to be there in your pastebin.
22:58<nevyn>milu: have you rebooted since then?
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22:59<milu>in lspci there are both soundcards listed
22:59<n3lab>and how to enable microphone?
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22:59<milu>rebooted once yes
22:59<n3lab>in alsamixer i see only boosts
22:59<n3lab>and no mic volume :/
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23:00<nevyn>n3lab: press f4
23:01<nevyn>to go to capture controls
23:01<n3lab>http://i.imgur.com/hR3l1.png
23:01<n3lab>and?
23:01<n3lab>there are only boosts
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23:02<milu>can i disable the generic and load the other one instead? :s
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23:04<nevyn>milu: you need both snd_intel_hda may take a pciid or something to let you bind to a particular index
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23:05<nevyn>milu: I'd start with getting the SB recognised (try just manually modprobing snd_hda_intel and see if it appears in /proc/asound/card
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23:06<nevyn>milu: please don't pm me...
23:06<n3lab>but what about mic :)
23:06<milu>modprobed snd-hda-intel, but still the generic one is in the /proc/asound/card
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23:07<n3lab>tt
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23:11<milu>half-success. I have the other soundcard recognized but still no sound ./
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23:12<milu>aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav gives a new error message -> 'aplay: set_params:1059: Channels count non available'
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23:16<chant>runlevel 2 on my system hangs before udev if i use a custom kernel
23:16<chant>but it works fine with a debian-standard kernel
23:16<chant>how can I debug this?
23:17<chant>it doesn't exactly hang either. I see kernel messages only, but no output from "init" until I press ctrl-alt-delete
23:17<chant>and I know that modules arne't being loaded
23:17<chant>rather, I know that some modules ar'net being loaded, like USB
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23:38<nevyn>hrm
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23:41<chant> /quit .
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23:42<nevyn>chealer: are you building initrd in your custom kernel?
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23:45<k-man>when i run /usr/bin/time the output is all run together as though the linefeeds are not outputting: http://pastie.org/3908109
23:45<k-man>anyone else get that?
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23:47<nevyn>yep
23:48<nevyn>i think echo is taking stdout of time and removing all the newlines
23:49<nevyn>k-man: time echo doesn't have this problem
23:49<k-man>nevyn, do you think that could be considered a bug?
23:49<nevyn>it seems to affect other stuff too.
23:49<k-man>nevyn, probably because its bash's time rather than the program time
23:49<nevyn>like time tee
23:50<nevyn>time echo foo fixes it as well
23:50<nevyn>actually
23:50<nevyn>it seems that /usr/bin/time never outputs with newlines
23:50<nevyn>only time the shell builtin does
23:51<k-man>nevyn, yeah thats what I'm experiencing
23:51<nevyn>/usr/bin/time -p echo
23:51<nevyn>/usr/bin/time is not posix by default
23:51<nevyn>whee.
23:51<nevyn>time the shell builtin is
23:51<k-man>ah
23:51<nevyn>solution.
23:51<k-man>thanks
23:51<bones_was_here>man time reveals how to format the output ;)
23:51<nevyn>don't use /usr/bin/time
23:52<k-man>nevyn, -p fixes it, thats fine
23:52<nevyn>or read the manpage
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23:52<k-man>whats wrong with using /usr/bin/time
23:52<nevyn>it involves fork?
23:52<k-man>so?
23:52<nevyn>what's wrong with using the shell builtin?
23:52<k-man>nevyn, nothing, except i'm timing a process run from cron
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