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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-05-15

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02:03<one>Someone use blender from debian repo? I don't understand: where option in "user preference" "compute device"?
02:05<one>option to select "CUDA" or "OpenCL"
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02:38<ukine>hi all, i need help decrypting a des-ecb key with a format of !xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/xxxxxx== any ideas?
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02:39<ukine>openssl is throwing me 'bad magic number' which is obviously not my password.
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02:47<Sillencer>Hello. I have some domain names, how do I make in apache, that each time I type in adress bar any of the domain names like this: mydomain.com/webmail it will go to the folder were web mail client is ? I added an alias for /webmail Now it works only if type the ip of the server 192.168.1.1/webmail
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03:22<makc>list
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03:34<fly>没人?
03:34<sney>!zh
03:34<dpkg>如果您想得到中文的帮助,请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道,进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" (不含引号),谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
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03:35<fly>好的
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03:44<makc>good day, I need help for installation driver for graphic card NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M on Debian 2.6.32-5-amd64. After: sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295.49.run - return error: ./nvidia-installer: not found. What can i do?
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03:46<craigevil>!nvidia dkms
03:46<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>.
03:46<craigevil>makc, ^
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03:47<firdaus>what is best software monitoring ?
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03:54<perlwizard>I am trying to make a bash alias that would be accessible system-wide (to root and non-root user); tried alias ...='...' in /etc/profile but no effect
03:54<perlwizard>where is a good place to define system-wide aliases
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04:00<firdaus>what is software for monitoring bandwith on debian ?
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04:00<gryllida>darkstat , nethogs
04:00<perlwizard>firdaus there's vnstat
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04:18<qt-x>hello ppl
04:18<pparadis>party people raise the roof
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04:20<DebianLover>how can i determine the order of the scripts which run at boot time?
04:21<scientes>has enlightenment ever worked on non-x86 architectures?
04:21<pparadis>yes
04:21<qt-x>I have to find fast a way to redirect a command output to a file the command is already running I have just paused with ^Z I use gnome-terminal and bash. Dose anybody has an Idea how to do that ?
04:21<pparadis>specifically, i've seen it run on an RS/6000 host (PrEP based PPC)
04:22<scientes>pparadis, thanks, they added some nasty assumptions in 1.2 test suite
04:23<scientes>i'm fixing that now
04:23<perlwizard>qt-x stealing a fd from a process is a rather non-trivial task iirc
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04:23<scientes>broken on armel armhf ia64 powerpc s390 and s390x b/c of it
04:24<pparadis>scientes: roger that. please do note that my anecdote is from several years ago, however. i have no idea where that particular binary set came from, i only know it was running on a 4.0 system at the time.
04:24<pparadis>basically i'm just saying "don't blame me" :)
04:24<scientes>**1.2 of eina
04:24<scientes>which is part of e17
04:24<pparadis>perlwizard: stealing is naughty
04:25<qt-x>perlwizard, can't i just redirect the output from gnome-terminal to a file ?
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04:27<qt-x>perlwizard, since gnome-terminal has 1 end of the pipe
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04:29<perlwizard>qt-x maybe bash | tee logfile.log
04:29<perlwizard>and then restarting process from that shell
04:29<perlwizard>not tested though
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04:33<qt-x>can't be done without restarting the process in any way ?
04:34<perlwizard>you don't need to restart it
04:34<perlwizard>use fg
04:34<qt-x>only resumit
04:34<qt-x>aha got it
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04:42<DebianLover>how can i determine the run order of some scripts which i placed in init.d/ and start at boot time?
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04:47<diederik>DebianLover: depend the scripts which rely on other services available when started, through the LSB header of your init scripts
04:47<qt-x>perlwizard, wheel the terminal says that I have no job. Seems that I have to restart the job any way. Thanks for the help :D
04:49<DebianLover>diederik: am i right if i say that insserv doesn't work in wheezy and i have to use update-rc.d?
04:49<qt-x>I will try the solution when i have time just to see what happens(for curiosity ).
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04:51<diederik>Don't know, I have not experience with insserv. Since squeeze there's dependency based boot order
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04:52<diederik>And if you need a service to have started before another, there are fields like Required-Start which you can use for that
04:53<DebianLover> sure. but update-rc.d doesn't need the headers
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04:53<DebianLover>i'm trying to make an usb-live
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04:54<DebianLover>using insserv i get an error
04:54<DebianLover>no error with update-rc.d
04:55<diederik>http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot
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04:58<DebianLover>thanks
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05:19<Sillencer>Could someone help me. I maade in apace an alias for /webmail, but it only works then i'm using ip of the server: 192.168.1.1/webmail
05:20<Sillencer>If I use domain name, it won't work, can't understand what I'm doing wrong
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05:24<SDX>How would I add an application to the list of applications I can launch with Alt+F2?
05:24<perlwizard>qt-x maybe you needed to `disown` the process first ...
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05:58<qt-x>perlwizard, your solution did not work because it started a different process with bash which induced me in error :D (that was a good lesson)
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06:01<qt-x>I just saw the disown stuf f
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06:05<qt-x>I just taught that the gnome-terminal output can be piped while running something like : command ---stdout--> gnome-terminal---pipfile--> write to file command
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06:45<AgentC>Hi 1
06:45<AgentC>.-9
06:45<AgentC>;)
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06:46<AgentC>what cmd is needed to make crond entries for timed exec of commands ?
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06:49<wintellect>AgentC: what do you want to do? Run a command at a set time of day?
06:50<AgentC>wintellect: yes, for a time within the next 24h -> "command params"
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06:51<AgentC>wintellect: prob will be, maybe, that app cant start twince at time
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06:52<wintellect>AgentC: well, if you look in /etc/cron.d you'll find files. Each file is named after the program it's related to for convenience - simply create your own file there with the necessary cron job requirements you have
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06:53<wintellect>AgentC: look at the other files to get a feel for how to make your own
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06:54<siyo>salut
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06:54<AgentC>wintellect: ok, would like to run it about a selfprogrammed processor (C) but i am in mind that there was a simple command for setting up a time-controlled job just by cmd-line ....
06:54<AgentC>wintellect: i dont remember what its name was
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06:55<wintellect>AgentC: man crontab
06:56<AgentC>thanx
06:56<wintellect>np
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09:21<cl0ust3r>ahi
09:21<cl0ust3r>como van
09:21<cl0ust3r>un saludo desde Argentina
09:21<pfrost>?e
09:21<pfrost>?es
09:21<pfrost>!es
09:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:22<cl0ust3r>ok gracias por la aclaracion
09:22<cl0ust3r>saludos
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09:23<pfrost>i've found instructions for getting ipsec/l2tp VPNs working with openswan and such, but are there any tools for automating the management of them, bringing them up, keeping them up, etc?
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09:24<bino>bom dia
09:24<bino>good morning
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09:25<pfrost>morning
09:26<pfrost>i was going to say there's a #debian-pt, but i guess there isn't.
09:26<pfrost>!pt
09:26<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
09:26<pfrost>good advice dpkg, since there's no one in those channels :(
09:27<petemc>on freenode
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09:28<pfrost>does freenode not give a /names list unless i'm joined?
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09:28<petemc> /names shows a list of users in a channel
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09:29<pfrost>i know. I'm just trying to decide if those channels are really empty, or if the IRC server is just lying to me.
09:29<petemc> /msg chanserv info
09:29<SynrG>join, then list
09:29<SynrG>yes, the server will conceal invisible nicks if you're not present
09:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 528] by debhelper
09:30<SynrG>(and virtually every irc client now defaults your user mode to invisible)
09:31<SynrG>as for dpkg's advice, it is as good as it can be. that's the channel that is registered for this activity. if nobody hangs out there, that's not a problem we can fix :/
09:31<SynrG>(hint: you can be a part of the solution ;)
09:32<pfrost>not without learning more languages :(
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09:33<SynrG>ah, er, yes
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09:33<pfrost>unless...
09:33<pfrost>!eo
09:33<pfrost>pfft.
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09:35<SynrG>pfrost: whut? Earth Orbital tld? :)
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09:37<jollyroger>Hello. I'm getting exit code 2 while debootstrapping squeeze (tried several official mirrors with the same result). Also there are some official mirrors (tried ua, pl) that have mismatched checksums for some files. How can I debug what's wrong or is there any other suggestions?
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09:41<movl>jollyroger: how many mirrors did you try?
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09:41<pfrost>SynrG: i was going by iso 639
09:41<pfrost>SynrG: either way, it could be equally absurd. or more absurd. not sure.
09:41<jollyroger>movl: ~3, trying now ftp.debian.org.
09:42<jollyroger>movl: just finished. The result is the same: exit code is 2.
09:42<movl>jollyroger: ftp.us?
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09:42<jollyroger>movl: will try now.
09:43<movl>jollyroger: paste the whole error message, please
09:43<movl>paste.debian.net
09:44<jollyroger>movl: http://paste.debian.net/168923/
09:45<movl>so no error message except what the shell returns?
09:45<jollyroger>movl: actually, there is no error message but nonzero exit code which breaks building build environment for cowbuilder.
09:45<movl>so you can't boot
09:46<movl>jollyroger: try --resolve-deps as an option
09:46<AgentC>movl: hi! tell me, what was the cmdline command for inserting a scheduler-task for a defined time ?
09:47<movl>AgentC: I do not remember what the issue was
09:47<jollyroger>movl: I'd say "I can't create build environment with cowbuilder due to nonzero exit code from debootstrap". I'm not sure what else does cowbuilder do with debootstrapped system so I hadn't tried to boot it. I believe I could chroot in it anyway.
09:48<movl>jollyroger: so you didn't try to see if it works?
09:48<AgentC>mov1: i only remember it was a 3 letter command
09:48<jollyroger>movl: no
09:48<movl>jollyroger: please do
09:49<jollyroger>ok
09:49<movl>AgentC: one uses cron to schedule tasks
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09:50<AgentC>mov1: i agree with you, but how to find out ?
09:50<movl>AgentC: how to find out what?
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09:51<movl>AgentC: don't you have the logs from the last conversation we had?
09:51<AgentC>movl: what cmd line command it was .... (3 letters, but dunno) ; logs ? no, quassel is down at moment out of system-failures. :-(
09:52<AgentC>movl: broken hdd ; running in unstable mode with failures.
09:52<movl>3 letters? o.o
09:52<movl>let me check MY logs
09:52<themill>AgentC: at?
09:53<AgentC>atd, yes
09:53<AgentC>that's it
09:53<movl>gah
09:53<AgentC>thanks very much
09:54<movl>I don't remember talking about atd
09:54<jollyroger>movl: I've found debootstrap logs that tell mostly "Cannot mknod: operation not permitted" and remembered that it's running inside lxc. This should be the root of the problem. Sorry for disturbing.
09:54<AgentC>;=)
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09:54<movl>jollyroger: no prob, glad that you found the issue
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10:00<AgentC>movl: query me your phonenumber, then i show you once , for what it is :-)
10:01<movl>AgentC: huh?
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10:01<AgentC>movl: yaeyhaeyhae good morning
10:01<iwan>greetings
10:01<iwan>I have a question
10:01<AgentC>movl: :-) smile
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10:01<AgentC>iwan: tell
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10:02<iwan>I am running crunchbang on an old hp desktop that has a builtin intell graphics card....
10:02<iwan>it requires iegd
10:02<iwan>can I run that on xorg version 11?
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10:03<movl>iwan: crunchbang isn't Debian, sorry
10:03<iwan>I thought that it was based on debian
10:03<SynrG>!based on debian
10:03<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
10:04<SynrG>!crunchbang
10:04<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
10:04<iwan>thank you
10:04<AgentC>iwan: take look at : http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/howto/irc
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10:04<iwan>is there a good chanel for xorg support?
10:05<AgentC>!xorg
10:05<dpkg>X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian <Etch>. The release packaged for Squeeze is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. Backports for Squeeze are available, ask about <bdo xorg>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net.
10:05<iwan>thank you
10:05<AgentC>np
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10:06<bluenemo>is there any default config for lxc (linux containers) for squeeze? the one shipped with is for lenny and i cant find a working one for squeeze
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10:08<SynrG>bluenemo: see the current version of lxc (wheezy/sid). it contains an example that looks like it is for squeeze.
10:08<jollyroger>bluenemo: /usr/lib/lxc/templates/lxc-debian creates one for you.
10:09<bluenemo>ah ok i'll look into the first. jollyroger this file is for lenny
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10:10<jollyroger>hm.. Than I should look for it too
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10:11<bluenemo>jollyroger, there is some fix with exchanging some variables in there to make it work but i dunno... do you think i should just compile the newest version? want to use it for production.
10:11<SynrG>i don't see a backport for lxc. you might want to use a backported kernel for the host and then rebuild lxc locally from sid source
10:12<SynrG>(i'm assuming there will be some kernel dependencies for sid lxc)
10:12<SynrG>don't know this for a fact
10:12<bluenemo>only for memory management as far as i know (Cgroup memory controller: missing)
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10:12<jollyroger>bluenemo: I run squeeze for quite some time on my home server with no problems (except to harsh permissions to create devices I just spotted)
10:13<jollyroger>bluenemo: I mean on LXC using that script
10:13<bluenemo>you run squeeze and lxc-create -n firsttest -t debian just works?
10:14<jollyroger>there are some problems getting console with lxc-console, but this might be fixed by modifying /etc/inittab, i believe.
10:14<bluenemo>i get a E: Failed getting release file http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release
10:14<bluenemo> for that, + i dont want lenny ;) was jsut wondering in general that there is still lenny in it
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10:15<jollyroger>bluenemo: well, you may simply copy that script somewhere and fix it a bit (actually I did the very thing)
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10:15<bluenemo>this one describes how to fix the current one: E: Failed getting release file http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release
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10:15<bluenemo>ok i'll do that too then. how long have you been working with lxc jollyroger? do you use it on your root server?
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10:19<firdaus>why this error make: *** /lib/modules/3.2.0-2-686-pae/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
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10:20<towo`>because /lib/modules/3.2.0-2-686-pae/build does not exist
10:20<bluenemo>:D
10:20<pfrost>is anyone running Xen on debian with a fancy new pvops kernel?
10:20<pfrost>if so, in particular which kernel and how did you get it?
10:21<jollyroger>bluenemo: it's almost two weeks running on my home server, which is an all-in-one box (router, WiFi access point, etc., running desktop in container as well as some specific development, network emulation based on bridges, dynamips, some things run on kvm). One thing I have spotted is that hostapd fails to work after lxc added/removed container for the specified bridge. Possible cause is ifup.d script but I haven't checked this.
10:21<firdaus>towo`: how to get it ?
10:21<towo`>install the headers for yiur running kernel
10:21<towo`>*your
10:22<themill>firdaus: "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" would normally be enough
10:22<firdaus>thank :)
10:22<bluenemo>jollyroger, ah ok thx. i've just run the script directly and this seems to work out so far. i'll keep playing with it and will port it to my server in some time i guess. do you have any good links concerning security for lxc (excaping is my biggest concern)
10:23<bluenemo>and do you think its better to stick with the version from apt or would you compile the newest verison from source?
10:23<jollyroger>bluenemo: don't know about lxc, but will use cgroups soon on some outsourced production server (few different web services of my friends running on a single VPS in hetzner datacenter) to leverage possible impact of services rushing for the resources.
10:24<bluenemo>ah hetzner (i'm there too)
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10:25<jollyroger>bluenemo: well, it's cheap and if you have an admin willing to experiment there's nothing more you might want :)
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10:27<jollyroger>bluenemo: concerning versions: I'd stick to the debian releases. If there would be a really usefull feature in the upstream which does not appear in any of debian releases I'd package it for myself until the official package would appear.
10:28<grimnar>Trying to mount my / as ro, but get this message: mount: / is busy (upgrading to ext4) what can I do to remedy this?
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10:28<movl>grimnar: what runlevel are you in and what are you trying to do?
10:29<grimnar>In the default run level :P
10:29<grimnar>Im trying to migrate from ext3 > ext4 using this how to http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Migrating_a_live_system_from_ext3_to_ext4_filesystem
10:30<bluenemo>jollyroger, yeah i'm ok with hetzner too. we just rented a biiig new server there :) ok i'll stick with the debian one. first one is already running and failing and stuff :) looks like a lovely project, looking forward to investing time in it :)
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10:30<grimnar>It does not mention switching run level as far as I can see
10:30<grimnar>Under Converting a root filesystem to ext4
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10:31<grimnar>ah, "Single user mode"
10:31<grimnar>;)
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10:31<movl>grimnar: :)
10:33<grimnar>But I don't remember seeing the singer user mode option when I'm booting...
10:33<grimnar>hmm
10:33<grimnar>It should be there, right?
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10:33<movl>grimnar: wrong
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10:33<movl>grimnar: add '1' to the kernel cmdline
10:34<movl>or do 'init 1'
10:35<grimnar>Ok, I just rebooted and discovered my macbook is using lilo as bootloader
10:35<movl>O_O
10:35<grimnar>yeah
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10:36<grimnar>But init 1 worked ;)
10:36<AgentC>movl: where can i get IRC help for PHP programming ? do you have a tip ?
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10:39<grimnar>AgentC: fiverr.com - hire people to do it for 5$
10:40<AgentC>movl: need to have a possiblity to enter a timestamp within a document, i have to calculate this timestamp so, that it is either today or next day activated as crond job (so within the next 24 hours)....
10:40<babilen>AgentC: ##php on irc.freenode.net
10:40<AgentC>thx
10:41<AgentC>babilen: its invite only :(
10:42<AgentC>simple form would be 2 fields : a. hour b. minute ...
10:42<babilen>AgentC: You need to be registered (/msg chanserv help register) -- But this really isn't a Debian issue. Try asking in #freenode if you continue to have problems.
10:43<AgentC>babilen: i know, i just ask cause i wouldnt know where else
10:43<AgentC>thnx
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10:48<babilen>AgentC: Err, that should have been "/msg nickserv help register" not "/msg chanserv help register" m(
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10:54<AgentC>babilen: thnx much, i got it going :-)
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11:10<tom2bor>Hi, any debian repositories guru here?
11:10<Rhonda>Hi, any meta question guru here?
11:10<Rhonda>!ask tom2bor
11:10<Rhonda>hmm, what was that factoid again. :)
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11:11<tom2bor>I use approx as an proxy server, this allow only one repository on the configured port 9999. Is there any posibility to avoid this? Or maybe I should take some other proxy/repository?
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11:11<themill>Rhonda: just "!ask" is enough. (there aren't that many factoids/commands set up to take $nick on the end of them because they're a real pain to maintain)
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11:12<Rhonda>tom2bor: I use apt-cacher-ng and have no such issues. :)
11:13<tom2bor>is it easy to configure/use?
11:13<Rhonda>Yes
11:13<Rhonda>I think I haven't done any specific configuration at all
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11:13<tom2bor>Thanks, I will check it...
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11:23<tom2bor>Rhonda: just check the configuration file of apt-cacher-ng, the point ist, you can define there only one proxy server on one port. I need many different proxy servers any on different port...
11:23<SynrG>tom2bor: i have heard squid works and scales well. there are various guides floating around about how to do that.
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11:27<tom2bor>SynrG: I need only proxy for debian packages / repository, not a universal proxy for http conversation...
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11:31<tom2bor>SynrG: Rhonda: There is possibility to define the configuration variable "-c: configuration directory" I check if it is possible to start many instances on apt-cacher-ng with different configurations...
11:31*ansgar wonders why one would need that.
11:33<SynrG>tom2bor: i understand your needs. what i'm saying is, i have heard complaints about virtually every apt caching proxy out there and reports from satisfied users that just using squid solved it for them. ymmv
11:33<SynrG>(those complaints were along the same lines as yours)
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11:57<Rhonda>tom2bor: Oh, I thought you would want to use an apt cache for different sites, not going out through different proxy URLs?
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11:58<Rhonda>I misunderstood your "only one repository" wrong, then.
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11:59<Rhonda>tom2bor: Maybe you could try to describe which actual problem you are trying to solve …
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12:03<dutchfish>hi, i have tried several ways of getting audio to work in both squeeze and wheezy X86_64, without any luck in regards to getting a microphone working or external speakers. Audio over HDMI works and audio over internal speakers works. This is my lspci http://pastebin.com/BB1se9ig . Any hints welcome for the latest kernel inside wheezy and it's soundsystem.
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12:05<dutchfish>fyi audiovolume is reset to disabled and at lowest volume after each login.
12:06<nemofish>same here
12:08<tom2bor>Rhonda: I need different proxy server for different installations, they shouldn't mix each others, so I know, which system use which packages...
12:09<tom2bor>Rhonda: the idea with different directories with apt-cacher-nt seems to work...
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12:11<blast007>tom2bor: then why not just set up one proxy and log all the requests?
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12:13<Rhonda>… and apt-cacher-ng also logs all the requests.
12:13<tom2bor>I copy the dists and pool directories to the installation cd and become the minimal installation iso :-)
12:13<Rhonda>I think you are trying to address the issue from the wrong side.
12:13<tom2bor>I use the proxy to catch all the packages to create a minimal installation cd...
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12:14<tom2bor>it work already with approx proxy... But there is the limitation of one port number...
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12:15<Rhonda>What's the issue with one port number?
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12:16<tom2bor>i need something like: /usr/sbin/apt-cacher-ng -port=9995 cache-directory=/data/product1_proxy
12:17<tom2bor> /usr/sbin/apt-cacher-ng -port=9996 cache-directory=/data/product2_proxy
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12:17<tom2bor>this works with apt-catcher-ng, but not with approx...
12:18<Rhonda>Why
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12:20<Rhonda>Ah, so you can create a minimal install cd for product1 and product2
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12:21<tom2bor>I need different proxies, to separate cached files for different installations. for example product 1 will be installed with gui and product 2 without gui. So the first installation need about 200 packages the other 100.
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12:21<lastwill>dutchfish: I have a Toshiba C660D-120 laptop with AMD integrated chips but the microphone don't work on Squeeze out of the box. I compiled the latest alsa-driver for hda-intel compatible chip and it works.
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12:23<dutchfish>lastwill, thanks for the tip, i will try that.
12:23<AgentC>UPS! WHEN I STOPED AN EDITOR BY STRL-Z TO BACKGROUND, HOW TO RESTORE THE TASK AT CONSOLE ?
12:24<Maulkin>Well, first, you need to stop typing in capitals.
12:24<AgentC>:) ok
12:24<dutchfish>lastwill, the build in microphone, does work in wheezy's latest, altho with a large hum, connecting an external mike does not work.
12:24<Maulkin>And have you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control-Z ?
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12:26<retrospectacus>AgentC: fg
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12:26<retrospectacus>AgentC: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/JobControl
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12:27<lastwill>dutchfish: Don't forget the option in "./configure --with-cards=hda-intel" instead of building useless drivers.
12:27<AgentC>retrospectacus: thanx ! :)
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12:28<lastwill>dutchfish: Indeed. I have a noise too with the microphone but no voice.
12:29<dutchfish>lastwill, i suspect kernel drivers, i'll delv into it further.
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12:30<lastwill>I hoped Wheezy would fix it with a new kernel but if you say so ...
12:31<dutchfish>lastwill, some stuff has been fixed in the latest stable, thumbs up if it relates to this issue, but i have to test that first.
12:31<dutchfish>(will compile a new kernel)
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12:32<lastwill>dutchfish: Why building a whole new kernel for only a tiny sound module?
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12:33<dutchfish>lastwill, because its crucial for my project.
12:33<dutchfish>lastwill, also see: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Fstable%2Flinux-stable.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=brcm80211
12:34<lastwill>http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Download
12:34<dutchfish>lastwill, that is for the wifi
12:34<dutchfish>lastwill, thanks!
12:34<lastwill>try to compile alsa-driver-1.0.25
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12:34<dutchfish>lastwill, will do.
12:34<lastwill>oh!
12:34<lastwill>WiFi
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12:34<dutchfish>yes, same chip
12:35<lastwill>Good luck!
12:35<dutchfish>ty
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12:35<lastwill>:-P
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12:36<dutchfish>lastwill, i do not care so much for the wifi, but the audio is important for me (ham radio)
12:37<lastwill>In fact I don't even tried the WiFi on my laptop. It seems to be a bug for me. :-)
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12:37<dutchfish>lastwill, well, i have it working with lots of workarounds, but it is still not very stable.
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12:38<dutchfish>lastwill, the opensource galium worked out of the box. Kudos to do devs.
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12:38<dutchfish>lastwill, but now i am stuck with the audio ;)
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12:39<lastwill>dutchfish: You need the sound for SSTV?
12:39<dutchfish>lastwill, merely for fldigi bpsk etc
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12:40<lastwill>Alright.
12:40<dutchfish>lastwill, fldigi is working nicely on wheezy.
12:40<dutchfish>lastwill, but not on this netbook (yet)
12:40<dutchfish>lastwill, due the audio problems
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12:41<dutchfish>lastwill, ... i'll figure it out, somehow ... someday ...
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12:47<lastwill>I looked for some info about FlDigi and it seems to have a lot of digital modes.
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12:48<dutchfish>lastwill, to my humble opinion, its the best i could find in open source.
12:48<lastwill>I wished could try it when I was a bit younger.
12:49<dutchfish>lastwill, i just miss the flrig package in debian ...
12:49<dutchfish>lastwill, hah, i am just an OM also ;)
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12:50<dutchfish>lastwill, anyway, i'll stop before it gets to much offtopic, thanks again for the hints.
12:51<lastwill>You're welcome. ;-)
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13:11<AgentC>kilelme: hi
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13:11<kilelme>AgentC: hi too... have you solve your problem?
13:12<AgentC>kilelme: yepp. manually installed perl package. after all upgrade ran ok
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13:13<kilelme>AgentC: i guess that... maybe you have configure your perl package... but now your sistem have run normaly . congratulations
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13:15<AgentC>kilelme: normally there have no problems to be on upgrade. but shit happens you know
13:15<AgentC>kilelme: shortest computer-joke of the world : "might work"
13:15<AgentC>;=)
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13:16<pfrost>what's the difference between linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 and linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64? Also, what's the "bpo"?
13:17<babilen>pfrost: BPO is backports and .1 and .2 are different versions. (/msg dpkg bdo ; /msg dpkg bdo kernel)
13:17<kilelme>AgentC: lol... but i think that error can make you learn something :-).. like me have error when i first try debian ... :-)
13:18<babilen>,v linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
13:18<judd>Package: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2.4-1~bpo60+1
13:18<babilen>,v linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
13:18<judd>Package: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2.15-1~bpo60+1
13:18<babilen>pfrost: ^^^
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13:19<pfrost>i see
13:19<babilen>pfrost: It is typically recommended to install a suitable metapackage such as "linux-image-amd64" which depends on the latest version. What are you trying to achieve?
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13:19<AgentC>kilelme: maybe, everything where men is searching solution creates more experience.
13:20<pfrost>babilen: get write barrier support in my xen dom0.
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13:20<pfrost>babilen: but i see the linux-image-amd64 package, point taken
13:20<babilen>pfrost: What are the prerequisites for that?
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13:20<pfrost>babilen: i believe linux > 2.6.33
13:20<AgentC>kilelme: i am afk for about an hour, will talk to you later, ok ?
13:21<kilelme>AgentC: that fine...
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13:21<babilen>pfrost: Ok. Assuming you are running squeeze I would just enable backports (/msg dpkg bdo) and install linux-image-amd64 (and linux-headers-amd64 if needed). Make sure that you pull firmware from backports as well if you rely on that. (You might have to add "contrib non-free" to the bdo line)
13:21<pfrost>babilen: actually, what i understand is that 2.6.33 is when md devices started supporting write barriers, which is actually my problem. The xen bit is just an additional requirement.
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13:23<pfrost>babilen: makes sense, thanks
13:23<babilen>pfrost: Unfortunately I cannot comment on your particular comment. It should be noted that Debian backports a couple of code to its stable kernel, so it might actually be that it is supported in .32.
13:23<babilen>err, I cannot comment on your particular problem :)
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13:24<pfrost>an alternate solution would be disabling write caching on SATA drives connected via a SAS expander
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13:25<pfrost>i know how to do it with hdparm, but hdparm -W /dev/sdh says "write-caching = not supported"
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13:25<pfrost>it actually is supported, and enabled, but for whatever reason hdparm can't frob that setting, probably because of the SAS expander.
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13:50<pfrost>is anyone intimately familiar with the numbers reported by iostat? I have some servers that report really high numbers for await, and I think it's wrong. Perhaps, because the sampling interval is large, and the number of requests per minute is low. Or something.
13:51<pfrost>there's a really good article at http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2010/01/09/how-linux-iostat-computes-its-results/ which i'm trying to absorb
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13:57<ballison>i have a dumb wget question. Is it possible to get wget to JUST return the status code of a URL? like status 200 ?
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14:00<ballison>i'm trying to write a simple url checker using wget
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14:01<pfrost>babilen: you could use check_http from nagios-plugins
14:01<pfrost>ballison: i mean you
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14:02<retrospectacus>ballison: wget --spider
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14:05<retrospectacus>ballison: if wget -q --spider "$url" ; then echo $url is valid! ;else echo $url is no good. ;fi
14:06<retrospectacus>ballison: it doesn't "return the status code" but $? is set accordingly, can be tested with "if" like that ^
14:07<retrospectacus>and it doesn't download the file :)
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14:09<ballison>retrospectacus: works like a champ! thanks
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14:10<ballison>retro: except it doesn't give me a response code
14:10<SynrG>ballison: http_code=$(curl -o /dev/null -s -w '%{http_code}' http://www.debian.org)
14:10<ballison>i need the response code
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14:10<ballison>the problem is when i go to my url it gets 302 redirected to https:// so it's saying the valid url is invalid. :(
14:10<ballison>because i got a 302 instead of a 200
14:11<retrospectacus>wget --spider follows 302
14:11<SynrG>ballison: you can tell curl to follow redirects or not
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14:11<ballison>oh you are right. it did work. i typoed it.
14:11<ballison>very cool - thanks!
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14:12<SynrG>my question about --spider is whether ot not this will be strictly equivalent (will it give the same response code as really browsing there?)
14:13<ballison>retro: try this one though. not working for it. https://lwtest01.ema.md
14:13<ballison>it works for lwtest.ema.md but not lwtest01.ema.md
14:13<ballison>lwtest01.ema.md works fine in firefox.
14:14<retrospectacus>interesting
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14:14<SynrG>hm. i get 000 from curl. how strange
14:14<retrospectacus>you could add wget --no-check-certificate, that's the error it's giving
14:14<retrospectacus>wonder why firefox doesn't care
14:14<SynrG>302 from the working url
14:15<retrospectacus>$ url=https://lwtest01.ema.md ; if wget -q --no-check-certificate --spider "$url" ; then echo $url is valid! ;else echo $url is no good. ;fi
14:15<retrospectacus>https://lwtest01.ema.md is valid!
14:15<ballison>cool - fixed. thanks
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14:16<alex_>hello world
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14:16<ballison>i had to put that in for mine earlier. wonder why it didnt' get teh same error from lwtest.ema.md.. probably becuse that's hitting a load balancer
14:16<retrospectacus>hello alex_
14:16<alex_>i've never been here before, is this where people gather to talk about debian?
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14:17<retrospectacus>ballison: because the cert is for lwtest.ema.md presumably
14:17<retrospectacus>alex_: yeah, for support questions. If you just want to talk there is #debian-offtopic
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14:18<alex_>well, i've never been on an irc before, but come to think of it, i do have a question i could ask
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14:19<alex_>exactly every third time i start my computer, i a pretty serious error, after which my computer can't recover at all, i have to hard reset it
14:19<alex_>i get a *
14:19<alex_>as far as i can tell its a general protection fault
14:19<alex_>about 5 of them, and it usually ends with a segmentation fault
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14:20<mase>a "*"? where? in the text-screen?
14:20<alex_>i don't know if it has anything to do with the kernel modules, but i somehow doubt its something i did
14:20<alex_>sorry, the * was a correction to what i said above
14:20<alex_>what i get is a stack trace
14:21<mase>have you tried to remove the "quiet" kernel parameter to see what it was triing to load?
14:21<alex_>at least that's what i think it is
14:21<alex_>hmm, that would be a good idea
14:21<mase>or do you have a photo? you usually can see what kernel module caused the crash
14:22<alex_>it dumps a whole bunch of data, most of it is in the form 0xfffff00(some other hex values)
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14:22<alex_>well i could try what you said about the quiet kernel parameter
14:22<mase>yes, but usually also som function names and the module
14:22<alex_>usually the last thing in the stack trace is something along the lines of kmalloc
14:23<alex_>the only thing i know for sure is that it happens every third time i start my computer
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14:23<alex_>i'm relatively new to linux, and even newer to debian
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14:24<alex_>but otherwise i get along fine, just this one has me stumped, i usually know when to expect it so it doesn't bother me that much
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14:24<ballison>retro: so the wget returns a 0 status if the url check is a 200 ?
14:24<ballison>or 302-> 200
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14:26<alex_>i'll try to cause the error again and write down as much info as i can (don't have a camera on me)
14:26<alex_>anything more important i should look out for?
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14:28<mase>if start was ok you can have a look at syslog if the crash (of an earlier boot) is loged there...
14:28<alex_>where can i find syslog?
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14:28<alex_>/etc/log ... ?
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14:29<mase> /var/log/syslog
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14:30<mase>if the computer hangs, can you switch to another virtual terminal via "CTL-ALTF3" for example?
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14:30<alex_>the error doesn't seem to have been logged
14:30<mase>(CTRL-ALT-F3)
14:30<alex_>and the computer becomes completely non responsive
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14:31<alex_>i tried switching to another virtual terminal
14:31<alex_>(i do that whenever the graphical environment freezes)
14:32<alex_>well since you mentionen kernel modules, i'll look out for those and otherwise write down as much info as i can
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14:32<mase>your graphical environment also freezes some times?
14:32<alex_>yes, it's happened a few times
14:33<alex_>even the mouse cursor freezes, virtual terminals are also inaccessible
14:33<mase>uff, seemes a more hardware related isssue...
14:33<alex_>i've always assumed the two are related
14:33<alex_>i've been told my computer isn't really the best to use linux on
14:33<SynrG>can you boot some bootable media? a live image on USB, for instance?
14:34<SynrG>you may be able to recover something from logs from that
14:34<alex_>but if you're here for another 10 minutes, i could restart a few times and write down anything useful
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14:34<SynrG>if the live system fails too, it may very well be hardware (if it is a live image known to work before on this hardware)
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14:35<retrospectacus>ballison: yes
14:35<SynrG>alex_: "you" changes from minute to minute, but someone should be able to help if you're patient, even if the particular helpers have changed
14:35<alex_>well i used linux mint for a few months without problems, but this only started happening with debian, and not even from the beginning
14:35<alex_>hehe, that's awesome
14:35<alex_>well i'll give it a go and let "you" know
14:36<SynrG>you've replaced the mint system with the debian system entirely?
14:36<SynrG>i.e. cannot boot back to mint to see if it's still ok
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14:44*kop thinks memtest86+ is in order, just in case
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14:57<alex_>hello
14:58<alex_>i don't know if any of the people are here that i talked to a few minutes ago, but i have a little more info about my problem
14:58<mase>ok, "me" is still here
14:58<flaxo>-_-
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14:58<alex_>mase: nice, and in that time i found out how to message specific users
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14:59<alex_>well it starts with it loading the normal parts of the system, starting bluetooth, starting gnome, starting common unix printing system
15:00<alex_>and at that point i get [19.395019] general protection fault: 0000 [#1] SMP
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15:00<alex_>and all other errors messages start on a new line starting with [19.something (incremental)]
15:00<mase>thats all?
15:01<alex_>the first line is last sysfs files: /sys/parport/initstate
15:01<alex_>then CPU1
15:02<alex_>Modules linked in: (a huge list of modules, wrote down only the first and last: ppdev(+) nls_base)
15:02<alex_>the end of that line also says [last_unloaded: scsi_wait_scan]
15:02<mase>ok, in fact CUPS might load parport modules or at least use it
15:02<scientes>!sns
15:02<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
15:03<mase>?
15:04<alex_>next it says pid: 1619 comm: modprobe Not tainted 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 M-6851
15:04<alex_>i recognize the end, that's my kernel version and computer type (gateway)
15:05<alex_>next line is RIP: 0018: [some hex value] [some other hex value] __kmalloc_track_caller 0xcd/0x13
15:05<mase>do you have a parallel port on your motherboard?
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15:05<alex_>then it goes on for about 10-15 lines with what i assume are registers and their contents
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15:05<alex_>hmm, i'm not sure
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15:05<alex_>how do i find that out?
15:06<kop>alex_: Have you checked the hardware? Specifically, it'd be a good idea to run memtest86+ from a live cd to be sure there's no ram problems that show up under load/heat. (Ideally, let it run overnight.)
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15:06<kop>alex_: (It does not have to be a live cd, but if you can't boot you can't install.)
15:07<alex_>kop: its very possible that its a hardware issue since a few people have told me my laptop isn't the best for linux, but this always happens only on startup and exactly every second time
15:07<alex_>so i don't think it has to do with heat. once started the machine can run for hours under stress
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15:08<alex_>but how do i find run memtest?
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15:08<mase>you could also blacklist the paralel-port modules, but i dont think it solves the original problem...
15:08<mase>do you have some info about your laptop?
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15:10<alex_>ahh there was a command that gives you a line or two of basic information about your computer
15:10<alex_>by the way, the error also showed me a call trace
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15:17<kop>alex_: The knoppix cd comes with memtest, as does the debian-live cd. You can also download it directly from http://www.memtest.org and put it on a usb stick (instead of a boot loader) and boot off the usb stic.
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15:19<kop>alex_: You can use dmidecode (and <pastebinit>, so we can see) to get specs.
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15:21<kop>alex_: My suspicition is that it's some setting in the bios, but what? You can use bootlogd (and pastebinit) to show us the boot messages, although perhaps not the boot messages that come up on failure. :-(
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15:23<mase>me too :) some legacy hardware (non-PCI, eg. Parport) with wrong/incompatible IRQ settings
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15:24<mase>do you have the manufacturer/model of the laptop?
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15:24<mase>kop argh, alex_ was not loged in
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15:25<kop>mase: Weird sata/legacy mode stuff, or power management.
15:25<mase>or is alex_ == alex__ ?
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15:26<alex__>hmm, my name seems to have changed
15:26<alex__>well my manufacturer is gateway
15:26<alex__>and the model is m-6851
15:27<alex__>kernel version 2.6.32-5-amd64
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15:28<mase>aae, thats a Core2Duo board, why told you someone it should not work well with linux?
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15:29<alex__>well, because some of the hardware doesn't really comply with the open source standards
15:29<alex__>the sound from my headphones never works out of the box for example
15:30<mase>well, still should not crash...
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15:31<alex__>well, i'll ask around. i know a few people with quite a bit more experience than me
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15:32<alex__>right now i'm just curious about how this whole thing works
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15:32<kop>alex__: Did you see above regard dmidecode etc.?
15:32<scientes>.local.34656 > thepiratebay.se.http: Flags [S], seq 3133537708, win 14600, options [mss 1460,sackOK,TS val 81796224 ecr 0,nop,wscale 5], length 0
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15:33<alex__>no, i must have missed it
15:33<mase>alex__ have you installed any proprietary ati stuff for your graphic card?
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15:34<scientes>yeah im not getting and ack anymore
15:34<scientes>its just pure timeouts
15:34<scientes>they must be blackholing piratebay ips
15:34<kop>alex_: You can use dmidecode (and <pastebinit>, so we can see)
15:34<kop> to get specs.
15:35<kop>alex__: Did you see above about the bios?
15:35<scientes>ip 194.71.107.15
15:36<scientes>oh sry
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15:37<alex__>okay, i'll give dmidecode a try
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15:37<alex__>okay, it gives me quite a bit of info, i'd rather not paste it in here
15:38<mase>... pastebin
15:39<alex__>pastebin.com/kc8Q3fuu
15:41<alex__>kop: did you mean about memtest?
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15:47<craigevil>scientes, if you use icewease/firefox use the piratebay dancing extension from http://www.mafiaafire.com/
15:47<kop>alex__: No, just that there's probably a strange bios setting that will fix your problem.
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15:49<alex__>that's possible, i used to use linux mint and that worked fine for a few months
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15:49<scientes>craigevil, its ip blocking
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15:50<craigevil>right the extension uses proxies so its not blocked
15:50<scientes>craigevil, i'm much more worried about the rammifications of censorship---censorship on the internet means survilence too
15:51<kop>alex__: The lines starting at 260 say you've hardware problems with memory.
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15:53<mase>laptop with ecc? still crashes? wow...
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15:59<alex__>sorry, was away for a bit
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16:00<alex__>kop: is that what that means? i wasn't wasn't really sure
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16:00<alex__>also, if i have hardware problems then there really isn't much i can do right?
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16:02<mase>alex__ after memtest you can at least exclude the memory as problem
16:02<kop>alex__: You can see what memtest86+ says.
16:03<kop>alex__: You can get new ram....
16:05<alex__>well what does the POST error mean?
16:05<alex__>and how do you guys know all this stuff? when i see that info i hardly know where to begin
16:06<kop>alex__: Power On Self Test -- a collection of not-necessarly-very-good tests that the bios does on startup.
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16:08<kop>alex__: Years of reading the instructions. (It helps that the command line/config files would be familiar to a sysadm from 1972, the investment is long-term until you get into GUIs. GUIs always change; nobody knows how to do them right yet.)
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16:10<alex__>that's really cool. i actually wanna get more into it. i'll probably get a thinkpad when this laptop fails completely
16:10<gdb>It helps that Unix actually makes sense.
16:11<gdb>(For some meanings of the word 'sense'.)
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16:11<valdyn>we use metaphors that work for decades, windows changes them every version
16:12<pfrost>what do people use to monitor system performance metrics? specifically, what do people do to monitor them automatically? any way to get them into nagios?
16:12<alex__>as far as the error goes, i'll try memtest86+, but a little later, since i have some work to do
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16:14<alex__>mase also said i could exclude memory as a problem
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16:15<kop>pfrost: Dunno. SNMP? (You might consider icinga over nagios if you're starting fresh. YMMV.)
16:16<kop>alex__: I believe he said that running memtest86+ would let you exclude memory as a problem. You want the problem to be memory, because otherwise it's the cpu or the mobo and those are not nearly as easy to replace.
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16:17<pfrost>kop: yeah, you should have told me that about 6 months ago :)
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16:18<pfrost>kop: anyhow, where might i learn about what sorts of things on a debian box can be monitored via SNMP, and how I'd go about implementing that?
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16:21<kop>pfrost: I'm afraid I'm not the person to ask.
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16:26<rudepeople>can anyone give me hand with fglrx driver?
16:27<rudepeople>please?
16:27<kop>!fglrx
16:27<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net.
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16:28<rudepeople>thanks kop... read that already... the problem is I'm running wheezy...
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16:28<rudepeople>"No candidate version found for fglrx-driver"
16:29<gdb>rudepeople: Might hit up the folks in #debian-next, then. The focus there is on testing and unstable. This channel is *mostly* focused on stable.
16:29<gdb>(So when asking questions here, people will generally assume you are running squeeze)
16:29<rudepeople>gotcha. thanks kop!
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17:00<edenjose>No Acrobat Reader, quando tento maximizar a tela, apenas a parte externa é maximizada, a parte interna não maximiza. Alguém já teve este problema?
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17:00<edenjose>No Acrobat Reader, quando tento maximizar a tela, apenas a parte externa é maximizada, a parte interna não maximiza. Alguém já teve este problema?
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17:01<edenjose>No Acrobat Reader, quando tento maximizar a tela, apenas a parte externa é maximizada, a parte interna não maximiza. Alguém já teve este problema?
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17:07<LeoAR>Hi
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17:08<alex_>thanks for the help kop and mase, i need to head off, i'll run memtest as soon as i get the chance
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17:11<m4gnus>hello
17:12<LeoAR>Ive problem with my mics in ALSA (1.0.23) on squeeze (2.6.32.5-686) Mic does not appear in alsamixers (gnome or terminal), just mic boost and front mic boost both by duplicate. My soundcard is a Realtek ALC275. I've tried to update, to recompile, everything.
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17:14<LeoAR>Ive also tried to insert the lines options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=auto enable=yes and options snd-hda-intel position_fix=1 or 0 in alsa-base.conf with no results
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17:15<lastwill>LeoAR: Did you compile the latest alsa-driver?
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17:16<lastwill>http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Download
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17:17<LeoAR>hello. I recompiled with the version apt-getted as "alsa-source". is actually the 23
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17:17<LeoAR>is there the 24?
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17:18<lastwill>It seems the debian's source is outdated.
17:18<lastwill>You should try the 1.0.25 version.
17:18<LeoAR>Ah yeh, 25!. Ill try with them. thank youuuu so much
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17:19<m4gnus>I asked this once here before regarding finding torrents for debian .isos that need some help being seeded more...
17:19<m4gnus>the bttracker for debian does't seem to have much on there, does anyone happen to know how i can get up to date torrent tracking done?
17:20<m4gnus>or is that info only for debian site admins?
17:21<lastwill>LeoAR: Don't forget the option "./configure --with-cards=hda-intel" instead of building useless drivers.
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17:21<LeoAR>ok, thank you
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17:22<lastwill>mAgnus: I'm currently seeding the first amd64 DVD.
17:22<aminAway>fuck Justin Bieber
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17:23<lastwill>m4gnus: See http://bttracker.debian.org:6969.
17:24<m4gnus>yeah i was in there. it's live info. i guess im just spoiled by history trackers
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17:24<m4gnus>lastwill: thanks though
17:24<calisto_>hi every person in this chanel, one siple cuestion: Why dont indlude a package firefox in debian because Firefox is a trademark and make Iceweacel package and not apply same rule to a package CUPS , whose logo and the name CUPS are a trademark of Apple Inc
17:24<calisto_>?
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17:26<lastwill>calisto_: Because Mozilla Foundation don't want modified Firefox to be called Firefox.
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17:27<aminAway>lastwill: why should firefox be modified for Debian?!
17:28<calisto_>lastwill, this is a same case of CUPS and Apple inc.
17:29<lastwill>Why not? It's a libre software right?
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17:30<calisto_>CUPS s a trade mark of Apple if I modify de source code of CUPS I cant call CUPS
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17:33<lastwill>Maybe Apple doesn't want to enforce the CUPS trademark?
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17:34<lastwill>IIRC the debian maintainer ask for patching the Firefox source code naming the whole thing Firefox but the Mozilla Foundation refused.
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17:35<calisto_>last will, it's the same case 1 rule its aplicable to all cases isn't coherent apply to one case and not to others
17:36<lastwill>There's no unique rule concerning Trademarks and Patents.
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17:38<lastwill>See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS
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17:39<lastwill>"CUPS began life as "The Common UNIX Printing System". The name was shortened to just "CUPS" beginning with CUPS 1.4 due to legal concerns with the UNIX trademark."
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17:40<lastwill>Maybe it's the reason why Apple didn't enforce the CUPS trademark.
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17:40<calisto_>lastwill, ok not a unique rule but this rule not met....
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17:42<poeticallity>#animehq
17:42<lastwill>See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project
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17:43<lastwill>It seems the firefox logo license isn't DFSG-free.
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17:43<lastwill>So Firefox can't be distributed in the main archive.
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17:49<calisto_>lastwill, as you say the change of the name are because Mozilla protest
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17:49<calisto_>thanks for aclarations
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17:52<lastwill>You're welcome.
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17:59<dizzylizzy>i'd sure like to call it TDIDT instead of CUPS
17:59<dizzylizzy>turn data into dead trees :P
17:59<dizzylizzy>apt-cache shows and searches take about 20 seconds to return anything, unless I *immediately* precede the activity with an 'apt-get check'. Then it operates normally. Any idea what might be causing this?
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18:08<dizzylizzy>i mean it's workable
18:08<dizzylizzy>so erm
18:08<dizzylizzy>is there some tedious busywork I can do to help the debian project that people tend to avoid because it's tedious?
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18:10<sney>dizzylizzy, bug hunting
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18:10<lastwill>dizzylizzy: Help users. :-D
18:10<sney>that is, picking a single application and testing it against as many scenarios as possible
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18:15<dizzylizzy>ahaa
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18:16<dizzylizzy>things like giving it all manner of input
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18:19<dizzylizzy>no i know what you mean, okay
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18:20<ubuntu>Ypo
18:20<ubuntu>Hi
18:20<retrospectacus>hi
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18:21<Guest223>What is the best linux based operating system and is there any out there that support Java?
18:21<retrospectacus>debian of course
18:21<retrospectacus>they all do afaik
18:21<Guest223>Im on ubuntu right not.
18:21<Guest223>now*
18:21<Guest223>i hear ubuntu is the worst. Is that true?
18:22<retrospectacus>this channel is for debian support. We're not really here to talk about that, it's offtopic
18:22<Guest223>Ok.
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18:42<MarlonGK>Hello, I'm new to Debian, I have just installed fresh, everything was working fine. I turned the machine off. I come back to the machine I turn it on, I login, but then all I get is the default background, Gnome won't start. Everything I'm googling is only for terminal issues at boot. Any ideas?
18:42<abrotman>squeeze? wheezy?
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18:43<MarlonGK>Debian 6, Squeeze, sorry.
18:43<MarlonGK>abrotman, I can reach other shells. But tty7 just sits no the background.
18:43<abrotman>nvidia card?
18:44<MarlonGK>yes
18:44<MarlonGK>common problem?
18:45<abrotman>try to reinstall teh drivers
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18:45<MarlonGK>Okay, one moment...
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18:47<MarlonGK>abrotman, Same issue...
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18:47<abrotman>MarlonGK: i think you have to reboot the box ?
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18:48<MarlonGK>I've rebooted a few times.
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18:48<abrotman>MarlonGK: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:48<abrotman>look for errors and warnnings
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18:49<retrospectacus>maybe $HOME/.xsession-errors too
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18:50*abrotman wishes nVidia.com people would help with nouveau
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18:50<MarlonGK>I'm not seeing errors in /var/log/xorg
18:50*Knorrie wishes pigs could fly
18:50<abrotman>Knorrie: they can .. just not self-propelled :)
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18:51*retrospectacus wishes gas cost $0.25 a litre
18:51<MarlonGK>I'm not seeing a xsession-errors file.
18:51<abrotman>retrospectacus: it does, just not in your country
18:51<retrospectacus>MarlonGK: it's hidden; the filename starts with a .
18:51<retrospectacus>:(
18:52<MarlonGK>The mouse is moving even... Is it worth trying to kill X? Then restart it on a nother shell?
18:52<Knorrie>abrotman: this one can do http://www.mostlybears.com.bcentralhost.com/WhenPigsFly1.jpg
18:52<MarlonGK>retrospectacus, ls -a did nothing.
18:52<MarlonGK>found nothing*
18:52<retrospectacus>nothing at all? There should be at least a few things there, like .bashrc
18:53<MarlonGK>NO I mean there is no xsession-error file.
18:53<MarlonGK>Any other ideas...?
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18:54<MarlonGK>I thought Debian was going to be my Gnome2 salvation... I want to cry...
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18:55<abrotman>MarlonGK: it did work .. something must have changed
18:55<Knorrie>MarlonGK: if you got a mouse pointer that you're able to move, and it looks like the right screen resolution, it's likely not a critical driver issue
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18:56<MarlonGK>Knorrie, What do you propose?
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18:57<MarlonGK>Knorrie, I agree with it not being critical in terms of it being able to be worse, but I can't think of what to do outside of reinstalling...
18:57<Knorrie>heh
18:57<lastwill>MarlonGK: Did you tried the rescue session?
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18:57<lastwill>s/tried/try
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18:57<MarlonGK>lastwill, rescue as in the fallback terminal? The minimal one?
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18:58<jepler>Anyone else seen this? I am getting errors on apt-get dist-upgrade. gnome-terminal is 3.4.1.1-1.
18:58<jepler>Setting up gconf2 (3.2.5-1) ...
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18:58<jepler>/usr/share/gconf/schemas/gnome-terminal.schemas:22622: parser error : Char 0x0 out of allowed range
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18:58<jepler>... dpkg: error processing gconf2 (--configure):
18:58<jepler> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
18:58<MarlonGK>Is killing x & restarting it a realistic thing to do? It would just do the same thing each time it starts no?
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18:59<retrospectacus>MarlonGK: try it, probably will be the same though
18:59<lastwill>MarlonGK: The rescue session in the Grub list.
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18:59<abrotman>jepler: what's on that line ?
19:00<MarlonGK>lastwill, Oh... No I haven't. What would I do there?
19:00<dizzylizzy>Ooh ooh! cd /usr/share/doc; find -name TODO.Debian
19:00<dizzylizzy>sounds like a nice place to look
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19:01<jepler>abrotman: <locale name="ne"> is just before it. The line itself doesn't display properly in my terminal but I can see that it's true there's an embedded ^@
19:01<lastwill>MarlonGK: You could first run fsck for checking your partition. Next try to run gdm.
19:01<abrotman>dizzylizzy: actually, writing man pages is always appreciated
19:01<lastwill>Assuming you installed GNOME.
19:01<jepler>.. http://pastebin.com/CpG5cFkV
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19:02<abrotman>dizzylizzy: http://qa.debian.org/man-pages.html
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19:02<abrotman>jepler: back up the file .. delete that line, try again ?
19:02<jepler>abrotman: yeah I'll probably try that next
19:02*abrotman clicks a pastebin.com link .. and doesn't whine
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19:02<jepler>doing an apt-get install --reinstall now..
19:02<dizzylizzy>Ooh, I like formatting things for texi or whatnot
19:02<jepler>uh oh, that fixed it. that's not the outcome I wanted.
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19:03<abrotman>?
19:03<jepler>it means I have bogons in my computer
19:03<jepler>corrupting hard disk contents or something
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19:05<MarlonGK>I've just realized, I can move desktops via the keyboard, but right click does nothing...
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19:06<MarlonGK>Guake doesn't start & alt+f2 does nothing.
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19:10<retrospectacus>MarlonGK: maybe the process listing would reveal something trying/failing to run, ''ps faux''
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19:14<MarlonGK>retrospectacus, I know ps aux... What is the f for? failed processes?
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19:15<retrospectacus>nah it means "forest", just makes little lines like \_ for readablilty, tells you what processes are children of others
19:15<MarlonGK>Ahhh okay.
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19:17<MarlonGK>retrospectacus, I just tried twm which seemed to boot fine...
19:17<MarlonGK>retrospectacus, I'm not seeing anything in ps aux that looks obvious, but It's entirely possible that it's not obvious to me.
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19:21<retrospectacus>MarlonGK: if you paste the listing to paste.debian.net I'll take a look
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19:21<retrospectacus>MarlonGK: apt-get install pastebinit && ps faux| pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net
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19:28<perlsyntax>hi
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19:29<perlsyntax>Where can i find perbrew?
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19:37<craigevil>,versons perlbrew
19:38<abrotman>judd: versions perlbrew
19:38<judd>Package: perlbrew on i386 -- sid: 0.42-1; wheezy: 0.42-1
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19:38*abrotman hands craigevil an 'i'
19:38<craigevil>whoops lol
19:38<abryant288>hello all
19:39<abryant288>i need some help setting usb tethering with my android device
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19:40<craigevil>abryant288, best bet would be to ask in #android or #android-root on freenode
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19:40<abryant288>craigevil, ok will do thanks
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19:41<staticsafe>judd: versions znc
19:41<judd>Package: znc on i386 -- lenny: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-security: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.092-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.092-3; sid: 0.206-1; wheezy: 0.206-1
19:41<staticsafe>hmm
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21:17<dizzylizzy>wow and i only just found out about the package 'devscripts'
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21:39<MarlonGK>retrospectacus, I have figured out the issue from before... Removing the unwanted software... The dependencies for something was the GUI...
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22:02<canaima>hola
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23:00<dizzylizzy>abrotman: I understand that nobody deserves assistance or help, I understand that, and that this is all just voluntary, and I'm sorry. I try to contribute back as much as I can, and I'm trying more. The issue is frying my laptop and subsequently losing all of my data since my last backup, and being stuck with a piece of crap. that's my frustration, not you, and not the debian community
23:01<dizzylizzy>so cheers, let's help some debian users :P
23:01<abrotman>dizzylizzy: i'm just saying .. a better phrased question might have gotten better results ...
23:01<dizzylizzy>I need to change how I see questions
23:01<abrotman>dizzylizzy: "I'm trying to use Fluxbox, and I login via XDM. How do I correctly set the window manager?"
23:01<dizzylizzy>right, and I need to change how I see questions
23:01<abrotman>and voila!
23:01<abrotman>!tell dizzylizzy about xsession
23:02<dizzylizzy>I feel like questions like that are like, "i wanna run a web server tell me hao"
23:02<abrotman>dpkg: tell dizzylizzy about ask
23:02<abrotman>:)
23:02<dizzylizzy>:( thank you!
23:02<dizzylizzy>I feel so bad now
23:02<abrotman>not trying to be a dick .. just saying ..
23:02<abrotman>off to sleepy, good luck
23:02<dizzylizzy>okay
23:02<dizzylizzy>thank you
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