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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-05-16

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00:09<fcrs>does aptitude remove unused packages by default? i'm doing a full-upgrade and it wants to lose k3b even though it is listed as available in the search, distro is wheezy
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00:19*samsul is away: I'm busy | silahkan tinggalkan pesan :D
00:20<craigevil>!tell samsul about away
00:21<pparadis>!tell me about urmom
00:21<pparadis>00:21 <dpkg> telling yourself: urmom is probably sexy
00:21<pparadis>win
00:23*chokri lol
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00:37<pparadis>samsul: your /away and /back messages might be peceived by some as clutter.
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00:40<kilelme>pparadis: okay i will tell samsul
00:41<pparadis><3
00:43<kilelme>pparadis: because he one region to me
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00:45<pparadis>kilelme: nod, thanks!
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01:17<xdark>hey peeps sup
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01:20<SDX>Is there a way to add an application to the applications you can start with the alt+F2 launcher?
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01:25<dizzylizzy>is that for gnome-shell?
01:26<dizzylizzy>Or is that the "Run" dialog
01:26<dizzylizzy>because that run dialog can run anything
01:26<SDX>The Run dialog.
01:26<dizzylizzy>it's just like you're at a terminal
01:26<dizzylizzy>IIRC
01:27<SDX>Ah.
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01:30<raubat>hi
01:30<SDX>Hello.
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01:59<scientes>is there a web service equiv of apt-file?
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01:59<scientes>cause rapt-file sucks
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02:03<craigevil>how does it suck? it works just fine
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02:04<scientes>well it didn't work
02:04<scientes># rapt-file find os-release
02:04<scientes>Traceback (most recent call last):
02:04<scientes> File "/usr/bin/rapt-file", line 129, in <module>
02:04<scientes> for pkg in res:
02:04<scientes>TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
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02:04<scientes>http://paste.debian.net/169023/
02:05<craigevil>what the heck is rapt-file
02:05<scientes>remote apt-file
02:05<simonlnu>apt-file with ruby i suppose... oh.
02:05<scientes>so you dont have to download the database
02:06<scientes>maybe you can run it for me with apt-file craigevil
02:07<craigevil>$ apt-file search os-release
02:07<craigevil>systemd: /usr/share/man/man5/os-release.5.gz
02:07<scientes>yeah i got that
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02:07<craigevil>only thing it returns
02:07<scientes>ok
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02:07<Lancien>hi all
02:07<craigevil>trying to run rapt-file i get the same errror
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02:08<chealer>scientes: I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but did you see http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents ?
02:09<scientes>chealer, yeah that was what i was looking for thx
02:09<scientes>http://packages.debian.org/file:path
02:09<scientes>i usually use dpkg -S, but that only works for installed packages
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02:10<craigevil>use surfraw, debcontents foo
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02:13<scientes>meh, dpkg -S and find and locate work fine for me
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02:16<craigevil>scientes, sr debcontents foo does the same thing as http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
02:17<scientes>craigevil, but just like apt-file i need to download a large database of filenames
02:17<scientes>which i dont want to do
02:17<scientes>thats why i use dpkg -S
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02:18<SDX>quit
02:18<SDX>Oops.
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02:19<scientes>/quit
02:19<pparadis>wat
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02:41<eagles0513875>hey guys :) quick question im wanting to upgrade to unstable in my sources.list do i change everywhere where it says squeeze to sid or do i change it to unstable?
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02:55<coderat>Just did a dist-upgrade. Want to know why I am being asked to do a DECnet node config.
02:56<coderat>What packet was upgraded that is asking me to do this.
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03:08<dizzylizzy>ohhh
03:08<dizzylizzy>I was asked to do one of those
03:08<dizzylizzy>I think I was installing cmus
03:08<dizzylizzy>coderat: I had installed cmus earlier today and was asked to do that
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03:08<dizzylizzy>If you choose to do so, at least in cmus, it allowed you to control the music playing from any terminal
03:09<dizzylizzy>rather than run a proper daemon, i think
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03:28<coderat>dizzylizzy sry was afk . Nice to know it was that. Anytime something starts poking around with the DECnet stack I am going to look into it. Did it ask you if you wanted to config a DECnet node?
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03:30<dizzylizzy>Yes, it did
03:30<dizzylizzy>and I simply said "naaaaw"
03:30<dizzylizzy>"I'll do it later if I want to"
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03:31<coderat>thx for the feedback. Going to read up a bit more on what that was about.
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03:33<dizzylizzy>this kind of thing is why I tend to run installs and upgrades in a terminal inside screen
03:33<dizzylizzy>so I can go to another shell easily and look things up
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03:47<Sicelo>i have a 'stupid' question i'd appreciate help on. i have Debian on my home pc, as well as work laptop. at work, i have unlimited Internet, which i don't have at home. so i thought to bring my HDD to work, and chroot into it for doing `apt-get -d upgrade` ... problem is that when installing, i made about 5 partitions on the HDD, such that /var and / are on different partitions.. i can chroot into the / but how do i make /var available to download the
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03:48<jm_>Sicelo: chroot ... and in chroot: mount /var
03:48<jm_>obviously /dev needs to be available, and /proc and /sys too
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03:48<craigevil>or just use apt-offline and copy the packages to a flash drive
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03:49<jm_>yeah or apt-zip
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03:55<Sicelo>oh.. there's apt-offline :\
03:55<Sicelo>lemme have a look at that
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03:57<Sicelo>jm_: if i mount /var, looks to me like i'll be mounting my laptop's /var, not the /var on HDD
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03:58<jm_>Sicelo: not if you run it in chroot (assuming fstab is UUID based)
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04:23<dizzylizzy>ah chroot, i miss my gentoo expedition... wait no i don't :(
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04:37<Sillencer>Can someone help me, my server works as a gateway, how can I block a certain website? on the server is also apache, so there is a problem with installing squid... Any other methods ??
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04:39<jm_>why do you think squid and apache clash?
04:40<Sillencer>I tried once, and got some problems, isn't there any other way for linux ?
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04:40<Sillencer>they both use port 80, right ?
04:41<buffoon_work>Sillencer, not at all... squid doesn't operate on apaches ports. Maybe you have to pay attention on your iptables routes in case you want to have a transparent proxy but that's it...
04:42<Sillencer>yes, I need a transparent proxy
04:42<Sillencer>and I had then some problems, and gave up on squid
04:42<Sillencer>isn't there anything else ?
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04:44<buffoon_work>there are a lot of proxy servers but squid is the most powerfull imho. Still I don't see any problems. I'm almost sure that you redirected connections with the destination of your server.
04:45<buffoon_work>What's your iptables roule for the port redirection?
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04:46<Sillencer>it was some time ago then I tried configuring squid...
04:46<Sillencer>i can't say now..
04:47<Sicelo>jm_: if i mount /var, looks to me like i'll be mounting my laptop's /var, not the /var on HDD (sorry for delay ..)
04:48<Sicelo>do i maybe need to use bind-mounting? :\
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04:48<jm_>Sicelo: I have already replied to the same comment earlier
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04:49<buffoon_work>well, I would suggest you to setup squid (or another proxy) on a different port that apache is using. Then configure your proxy to be transparent, redirect connections on port 80 which have another destination then your own server ip (because there apache should respond) and there you are
04:49<Sicelo>yeah, saw that
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04:50<jm_>ok so my reply would be no different this time :)
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05:28<spacepluk>hi, is there a "debian way" of selecting the default gcc version?
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05:30<buffoon_work>spacepluk, update-alternatives?
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05:31<spacepluk>$ update-alternatives --config gcc
05:31<spacepluk>update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for gcc.
05:33<buffoon_work>update-alternatives --config cc
05:33<buffoon_work>try that one
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05:36<babilen>spacepluk: Please read /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian
05:37<spacepluk>that "works" but the different versions that are installed don't appear in the list
05:38<babilen>spacepluk: FWIW, you really shouldn't change the default compiler (as packages might depend on it), but call other versions explicitly.
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05:38<spacepluk>babilen: I see, thank you. I guess I'll just change distcc's symlinks.
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05:39<spacepluk>mmm, not really... that won't work either
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05:40<grondilu>W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_i18n_Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch
05:40<grondilu>???
05:41<grondilu>same error occured after s/ftp\.fr/\ftp.us/
05:41<babilen>grondilu: You want #debian-next and that is a known issue that is due to broken mirroring scripts.
05:41<grondilu>ok, sorry
05:42<babilen>The error is not on your side and there is nothing you can do except for using a different mirror.
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05:42<grondilu>Or I can just wait a few days, right?
05:43<Blacker47>who is to blame for that dependencies of libopenal1 leads to installation of decnet subsystem, what tries to change MACs of NICs? :-(
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05:43<babilen>In short: The problem is that the Release file on the mirror lists a different MD5Sum to the one of the actual files on the server. The reason for that is that the Release file is upgraded by the mirroring scripts whereas the Translation-en file is not (and you therefore end up with an old file with a different MD5Sum than the one that is expected)
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05:44<babilen>grondilu: It hasn't been fixed in quite some time and I do not know when it is going to be fixed. FWIW, this is not a real problem if you don't care about package descriptions.
05:44<Blacker47>i should write: on testing repository
05:44<babilen>Blacker47: Take it to #debian-next please :)
05:44<Blacker47>i see
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05:44<babilen>Blacker47: Wasn't the MAC changing bug fixed ages ago? But please elaborate in #d-next
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05:46<Blacker47>it is not a bug, it is a "network-virtualisation-system" or like that, that runs as a daemon and so on..
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05:54<imperium>hi, when will be wheezy release to stable?
05:55<imperium>next year ?
05:55<babilen>!tell imperium about wwwr
05:56<imperium>freeze this june, ok thx babilen
05:56<babilen>np
05:56<afuentes>ifconfig eth0 down does not bring the interface down nor it shows any error (echo $? -> 0)... can anybody help me?
05:57<imperium>use ip, ifconfig is deprecated
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05:58<afuentes>im reading ip man page but is fairly less intuitive
05:59<afuentes>how would it be to bring down the interface?
05:59<imperium>ip l eth0 down ?
05:59<afuentes>l stand for link, does it?
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06:00<imperium>yes
06:00<afuentes>ty :)
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06:03<afuentes>ip link set eth0 down :S
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06:04<imperium>oops, sry
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06:05<afuentes>also, i think im looking for ip addr flush dev eth0
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06:06<afuentes>:S man, ip commands sure are more verbose
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06:09<afuentes>and how to erase an interface i made up?
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06:49<nitalaut>Guys is there any way in postfix to limit number of CC/BCC addresses in outgoing letters ?
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07:07<bluenemo>hi guys. i've been reading reading reading about lxc (linux containers) the last few days. i've read the ibm papers about securing it and so on. i still think that lxc is a good idea, also it requires quite some config to get it 'secure'. i wanted to ask again if there are any ppl today that run lxc in production, and would like to ask about there experiences, if you run it hybrid with kvm or so and so on.
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07:19<JAWC>My laptop (M17x R3, GTX 460m, Nvidia bin 295.40, Wheezy) has an HDMI IN port. When I plug in a device, my screen switches to the HDMI input and Fn+F8 (HDMI IN toggle) works. How do I get the audio from the HDMI signal to work?
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07:22<kuyak>hi
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07:24<jm_>JAWC: start by figuring out how many audio devices there are: cat /proc/asound/cards
07:30<gnugr>JAWC:also be sure you have alsa-source installed, you need it for HDMI to work
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07:30<JAWC>jm_ 2. HDA Intel PCH & HDA Nvidia. On Windows 7 the audio seems to go through IDT High Definition Audio HDMI Input.
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07:32<jm_>JAWC: you need to change the default audio device then
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07:34<jm_>!default alsa
07:34<dpkg>Use the /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc configuration files to set your default sound card. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 for more information.
07:34<jm_>looks like that URL is gone
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07:35<ribe>any of you guys knows of a good photo software for Linux, other than Digikam, F-stop or Gimp?
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08:11<JAWC>jm_ The HDA Intel is the default device. If I change it I lose all audio.
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08:12<waynr>hello folks
08:13<waynr>i am attempting to install slapd but i get an error during the installation
08:14<babilen>!bat
08:14<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
08:14<jm_>JAWC: didn't you say you want it to go over HDMI an hour ago?
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08:20<waynr>thanks babilen, i will post the link in a few minutes
08:20<babilen>sure :)
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08:27<ayaka>does XDirectFB need virtual tty support
08:28<adam_>hello, why there is no compiz and vlc (depends) in debian wheezy 64bit?
08:28<adam_>:(
08:28<perlwizard>,versions vlc
08:28<judd>Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; sid: 2.0.1-4+b2; wheezy: 2.0.1-4+b2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.6; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-dmo1
08:28<perlwizard>adam_ ^ ?
08:28<babilen>adam_: compiz has been removed from Debain
08:29<babilen>VLC is in wheezy and sid. Also: #debian-next for testing/unstable support.
08:29<adam_>:(
08:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 514] by debhelper
08:30<adam_>in my 32bit version (because I have few debians, all 32bit, only one 64bit) i have compiz
08:30<adam_>why compiz is removed?
08:30<adam_>there is something new like compiz?
08:30<babilen>It has been removed from testing that is btw, it is still in sid. The reason for the removal were "rc buggy, not maintained"
08:30<waynr>http://paste.debian.net/169076
08:30<adam_>about vlc http://paste.debian.net/169077/
08:31<waynr>there you go babilen
08:31<babilen>adam_: Please ask in #debian-next -- Please also paste your *exact* commands and read "/msg dpkg bat"
08:31<adam_>ok
08:32<adam_>there is something like compiz?
08:32<waynr>i have downloaded the debian source for openldap and i am willing to learn more about the debian packaging process to help fix it
08:32<adam_>because compiz is/was great :(
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08:33<babilen>waynr: Is that the first installation attempt of slapd on your system?
08:33<waynr>yes
08:33<waynr>i am just now trying it on my laptop as well
08:33<waynr>i get the same error on my laptop
08:34<waynr>oh wait
08:34<waynr>no it is not the first installation attempt
08:35<babilen>!dbugs 665199
08:35<dpkg>#665199:S[slapd] slapd: fails to install, remove, distupgrade, and install again (); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:30:01 UTC []
08:35<waynr>i did "aptitude remove slapd" to go back and get the output again
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08:36<babilen>waynr: Do you have a backup of your slapd configuration? Did you actually make changes to its configuration?
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08:36<waynr>i did not make any changes
08:36<waynr>my first attempt to install was last night
08:36<waynr>i saw the same errors on that first attempt
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08:37<waynr>this is actually a brand new squeeze installation
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08:37<waynr>i did see 665199 but that person's description seems different
08:39<babilen>Yeah, a little.
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08:40<babilen>waynr: Could you try to purge and reinstall it ("aptitude purge slapd ; aptitude install slapd") please?
08:40<waynr>yes
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08:42<JAWC>jm_ no. The HDMI device I have plugged into my HDMI input port is only showing on my display. The audio is not going to the speakers. Internal audio is set to "Analog Stereo Duplex". There is no HDMI Input device to choose from, and I can't see it in the HDA Intel's codec file. This is the contents of the 5 codec files, and I'm fairly sure the Nvidia device is only for HDMI/DVI output (given Windows lists two HDMI outputs and two DVI outputs). http://pas
08:42<JAWC>tebin.com/2vnPgqKA
08:42<waynr>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/169083
08:43<babilen>waynr: Looks as if slapd is currently uninstallable on squeeze :( -- Give me a second and I try to reproduce that.
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08:43<waynr>okay
08:43<jm_>JAWC: so you want to record (or similar) sounds form hdmi input then?
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08:45<jm_>JAWC: sorry I have to run now, 'arecord -l' can show recording devices
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08:46<waynr>babilen, i figured out the problem
08:46<waynr>it was the password i was using....i used a combination of normal characters, spaces, and an underscore
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08:47<adam_>i have problem with sound :( it break/normal/break/normal etc...
08:47<waynr>if you look at the aptitude install output, you see the str2entry: invalid value for attributeType olcRootPW
08:47<adam_>i try fix sound whole day
08:48<adam_>on alsa was very silent, on oss4 too but less silent, and on VLC it break and break
08:48<adam_>dunno what to do to have normal sound :(
08:48<waynr>line 83
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08:49<babilen>waynr: Yeah, ok. I would recommend to file a bug against slapd in which you recommend that the password is checked or something. (Sorry, I'm waiting for my squeeze VM to upgrade)
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08:50<adam_>any idea?
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08:51<waynr>thanks babilen
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08:54<waynr>!dbugs 631462
08:54<dpkg>#631462:N[slapd] slapd: Post-installation configure fails (); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 04:03:01 UTC []
08:55<waynr>looks like someone already posted this issue and identified more clearly than i have so far
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08:57<waynr>okay, i have modified the debian source as suggested in bug 631462
08:57<babilen>waynr: Wonderful, I overlooked that bug. Thanks for your time and just make sure that your password does not contain spaces.
08:57<babilen>(or make the necessary changes)
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09:20<damiano>ciao
09:20<ompaul>!it
09:20<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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10:01<inma>holaa
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10:02<inma>como esta la gente por aqii?
10:02<inma>digooo
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10:02<inma>okeeii
10:02<themill>!es-social inma
10:02<dpkg>inma: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
10:03<inma>qq dices?
10:03<inma>qien es guspur?¿
10:03<guspur>hi inma
10:04<guspur>i from indonesian
10:04<inma>hi guspur
10:04<guspur>my english is dirty
10:04<inma>aa ok
10:04<inma>i am from spain
10:04<guspur>oh oke
10:04<guspur>i from blankon linux community
10:04<inma>what do you want to say with my english is dirty?
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10:05<guspur>yes my english is very2 dirty
10:05<guspur>ussually in indonesian
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10:05<inma>a ok
10:05<themill>guspur, inma: perhaps you were looking for #moocows for random chatter
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10:06<guspur>themill oke
10:06<inma>i like you guspur
10:06<guspur>in ma he he
10:07<guspur>i use debian for 6 mont ago
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10:07<guspur>sorry typo
10:07<guspur>for 6 month ago
10:07<guspur>i use BlankOn Linux
10:07<babilen>!ot
10:07<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
10:07<inma>What do you say cute?(guspur)
10:07<arifin>Hi all..
10:07<guspur>babilen, oke
10:08<guspur>thx
10:08<babilen>guspur, inma: Please take offtopic chatter to a different channel. #moocows would be suitable -- I'd also like to note that we only support Debian in here and not other distributions that are merely based on Debian. Thank you.
10:09<guspur>babilen, thx you
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10:09<inma>guspur Do we connect to another?
10:09<guspur>at debian-id
10:09<inma>ok
10:09<guspur>at #debian-id
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10:10<inma>it is this
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10:10<arifin>some people here can advice me how to install debian 6.04 into external HDD ?
10:10<inma>no
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10:11<arifin>guspur, bisa ngak bro instal debian ke external HDD?
10:11<@babilen>inma: Please take it elsewhere. Thank you.
10:11<kilelme>arifin: join to channel debian-id
10:11<guspur>arifin kayaknya bisa pak
10:11<guspur>arifin join ke debian-id
10:13<@babilen>And please speak English in here (all of you)
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10:24<spacepluk>I guess now it's trendy to join #debian and speak random languages
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10:42<den>hello all!
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10:42<den>could you help me?
10:42<Maulkin>!ask
10:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:52<bluenemo>whats your prefered tool to edit binary SELinux policy's? i'd like to stick with something on the command line (non gui)
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10:54<perlwizard>,versions perl
10:54<judd>Package: perl on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny5; lenny-security: 5.10.0-19lenny5; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze3; wheezy: 5.14.2-9; sid: 5.14.2-10
10:56<den>I have a problem with disks; I'm running Debian version 6.0. When I try to run brasero or sound-juicer they don't run by user (but run only from root) and marked in process list as interruptible, as many instances as I tried to run this software. When I try do shutdown system, system do not shutted down and at the end of messages at shutdown: http://pastebin.com/r2hNpsX1
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11:08<gdb>den: It looks like your system shutdown fine.
11:08<gdb>den: What's the issue?
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11:09<pfrost>squeeze and squeeze-security have the same package with different md5sums. It's been a known issue for a long time, and it doesn't look like anyone is likely to fix it. Is there a way I can ignore one of them, so that I stop getting notifications that there are outdated packages?
11:09<den>system is not turned off until the end
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11:10<pfrost>i'm thinking maybe something with pinning, but since they are each the same package and same version, i'm not sure how i can select just one of them.
11:11<den>And I have to power off with hardware button
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11:12<gdb>And that's only after you've run brassero?
11:12<gdb>It powers down normally if you don't run that first?
11:12<themill>pfrost: which package is this and on which architecture, btw?
11:13<pfrost>themill: xen packages: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648448
11:13<themill>ahh, yeah, I remember looking at that one some time ago.
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11:14<pfrost>the problem is i have cron-apt configured to automatically install security updates only, and nagios monitors for uninstalled upgrades (but they aren't automatically installed). So I can upgrade to squeeze's latest to get rid of the error in nagios, then at night cron-apt will install the same package from squeeze-security, then nagios says there are updates again.
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11:16<themill>yeah. Poor show. Does pinning «origin: "security.debian.org"» work? I'm not sure how apt will handle this overlap (other than badly)
11:16<pfrost>well, i want to do it in a way that i'll still get future updates
11:17<pfrost>i'm reading apt_preferences(5) to get a better idea of the options available
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11:20<den>>It powers down normally if you don't run that first?
11:20<den>No. Without brasero:
11:21<den>Asking all remained processes to terminate… done
11:21<den>Currently running processes (pstree):
11:21<den>init-+-4*[hald-addon-stor]
11:21<den> |-plymouthd
11:21<den> |-rc---S20sendsigs---pstree
11:21<den> |-rsyslogd---3*[(rsyslogd)]
11:21<den> `-udisks-daemon
11:21<den>Killing all remaining processes… failed.
11:21<den>Stopping enchanced syslogd:rsyslogd.
11:21<den>Deconfiguring network interfaces… done
11:21<den>Deactivating swap… done
11:21<den>mount: / is busy
11:21<den>Will now halt.
11:21<gnugr>den:next time please use "paste.debian.net"
11:22<pfrost>i can't really find a complete description of the keywords available for pinning (just examples), or if it's possible to combine multiple keywords (squeeze-security and version xxx)
11:22<themill>pfrost: apt_preferences(5) (also /msg dpkg pinning)
11:23<pfrost>i did read the man page
11:23<gdb>den: So brasero has nothing to do with the issue, right?
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11:23<pfrost>it actually doesn't seem to say what the format of the file is at all -- it's left to the reader to infer it from examples, i guess.
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11:25<den>without brasero: http://paste.debian.net/169107/
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11:27<pfrost>from what i'm reading, there doesn't seem to be any way to use pinning to ignore just one version of a package from one release. I could decrease the priority on squeeze or increase it on squeeze-security, but that would have undesirable effects beyond the 4 probematic packages i have now.
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11:28<gdb>den: There's no difference between that output and what you pasted previously other than brasero isn't listed as a running process. In your initial problem report, you indicated you believe brasero is connected to the problem you're experiencing. What connection are you seeing between brasero and your power off issue that isn't indicated in what you've provided via paste?
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11:31<den>I cannot run brasero and sound-juicer. Only root can it. System not power off because udisks-daemon is not terminated.
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11:32<craigevil>den, what groups is your user in?
11:32<gdb>den: The first problem is likely due to group memberships. The second issue I'm pondering. They should not be related.
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11:45<jollyroger>Hi. I'm using cowbuilder to continiously build packages for buildbot and by means of buildbot. However I'm getting weird error messages when running form buildbot instance and no error when running from the shell (using the same user). The errors are "cowdancer: cannot open ilistfile /.ilist". The detail build log is http://buildbot.homeofus.org.ua/builders/deb-slave/builds/49/steps/shell_5/logs/stdio
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11:51<den>groups: den adm lp dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev scanner lpadmin netdev powerdev fuse
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11:54<craigevil>you are missing the group users
11:55<craigevil>craig lp cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev users netdev lpadmin powerdev scanner
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12:06<AgentC>Hi
12:07<AgentC>can anyone give me a hint in case of AT command ? (crond-job)
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12:10<AgentC>when i start at -f /somewhere/batchfile HH:MM it works, but how to do the same by entering command and parameters directly without using a batchfile ? at "cmdtostart param1 2" HH:MM does not work, how to do this ? anyone an idea ?
12:10<den>den: den adm disk lp dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev scanner lpadmin netdev powerdev fuse
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12:45<houms>is there a way to remove a character in a specific position in a string?
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12:46<houms>say 0 from a string a87605021
12:46<houms>but only the one in the 7th position?
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12:49<retrospectacus>houms: in bash?
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12:51<houms>yeah
12:51<houms>was thinking sed perhaps
12:51<AgentC>i am running a system() script from php using at command, but it says i have no permission to use. how to realize this ?
12:51<houms>i mean i could simply replace 0 with nothing using sed
12:51<retrospectacus>houms: you only wanted to remove the second 0 though
12:51<houms>right
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12:52<retrospectacus>houms: you want to remove the second zero? or the 7th character?
12:52<houms>i figured there was a way to do that
12:52<kilelme>AgentC: what script? maybe you have to set permission to some file?
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12:52<retrospectacus>houms: you can do it with two parameter expansions:
12:52<retrospectacus>$ b=a87605021; echo ${b:0:6}${b:7}
12:52<retrospectacus>a8760521
12:52<houms>say the 7th character
12:53<pfrost>houms: you can do it with ${var#pattern} and friedns
12:53<pfrost>http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/parameter-substitution.html, about half way down.
12:53<retrospectacus>houms: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashSheet#Parameter_Operations
12:53<AgentC>kilelme: its a bash-script started by php from website. it shall do some things (works) and then start "at -f xxxxxxx" .... but in error.log it says it have not permission to start that "at" command
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12:54<kilelme>AgentC: it like php framework, that right?
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12:55<AgentC>kilelme: apache2, php5
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12:56<AgentC>kilelme: the script is called by system ("/command", $ret);
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12:57<kilelme>AgentC: sorry i don't have idea about this
12:58<retrospectacus>AgentC: you should ask a PHP channel, try irc://irc.freenode.net/##php
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13:01<zeropiel>Hi. I'd like some help with partitioning scheme for debian.
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13:02<retrospectacus>zeropiel: ok?
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13:03<zeropiel>I partitioned my old drive into one partition for /home and one partition for the rest. If I want to buy an extra disk and do load distribution with raid later, is that an OK scheme?
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13:05<zeropiel>Is the current recommendation still to make partitions for /home and the various system directories?
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13:06<TheCrittaC>zeropiel, in my opinion, you really don't need a separate partition for home.
13:06<gdb>zeropiel: I think the current recommendation is "Whatever suits your needs." I have one disk that's just /, /boot, and swap, and another mirrored pair of disks that's /home.
13:06<TheCrittaC>I've always done / and swap, but your needs may differ.
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13:07<gdb>Having a separate /home makes installing clean easier.
13:07<gdb>Just don't mkfs /home during the install.
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13:09<zeropiel>What are the reasons to partitioning a 2TB drive vs using one partition?
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13:10<retrospectacus>you could use different filesystem types per partition, if you want
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13:11<zeropiel>ah, but running only ext3 vs ext3 + reiserfs, is there any gain or risk? Does reiser have an ok journaling system?
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13:30<kop>zeropiel: resierfs is going to go away, now that Reser is in jail. You might also consider lvm, so that you've flexibility in dynamically resizing partitions, etc. The only trouble lvm is that you need to learn to use it.
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13:32<AgentC>how can i realize that the user "www-data" getting more system rights ?
13:32<AgentC>without su
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13:33<gdb>AgentC: Can you state your question more clearly?
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13:34<EmleyMoor>"mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting..." if I try to mount nfs that this machine is/should be serving... no obvious reason. Any way I can get more detail on the problem?
13:35<AgentC>gdb: useraccount "www-data" is used when running systemapps from apache-web (like at/atd ...) it creates permission problems.
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13:36<AgentC>gdb: after some tricking "at" starts up, but says : cant signalize atd : permission error
13:36<kop>AgentC: You're _supposed_ to have permissions problems, to keep a cracked webserver/webapp from breaking your box. The right way is to isoloate the webserver from the things that need doing. I find insserv is often the right way to do this. The webserver writes a file saying what it wants done, insserv runs a job to do it.
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13:37<kop>EmleyMoor: (I recall poking nfs with a stick to get it to work the first time. There was _something_ I could do to increase verbosity, but I can't recall what.)
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13:38<EmleyMoor>kop: Mine worked fine until I changed ISP, then broke on this machine only
13:38<AgentC>kop: i see, but all i need is a : "at -f scriptfile HH:MM" ... that works that the scheduled task is inside atq , but it will not start out of permission problems on signalizing
13:39<kop>EmleyMoor: Then time for tcpudump/wireshark to see if it's the network. Perhas run a vpn to avoid the isp.
13:39<EmleyMoor>kop: It's not touching the ISP - but only happened when I changed. My other nfs server coped with it though (and that is also Debian)
13:39<kop>AgentC: If insserv runs the "at" instead of the server, no problem. :-)
13:40<AgentC>kop: when i start this "at" command with sudo, how would i do that sudo automaticly gets the required password for the user "www-data" ?
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13:40<kop>AgentC: You wouldn't. The usual approach is to use a perl suid wrapper.
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13:41<kop>AgentC: Instead of sudo.
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13:42<kop>AgentC: But I find a perl suid wrapper to be both more awkward and more dangerous than incron.
13:42<kop>AgentC: Whoops. I've been writing insserv instead of incron.
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13:44<AgentC>when i start a command by "sudo command" it will ask for the root pass , how to manage that it is inserted automaticly by the bashscript ?
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13:45<pfrost>AgentC: don't do that.
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13:46<pfrost>AgentC: if you want to use sudo without a password, you can use the NOPASSWD option in /etc/sudoers.
13:46<AgentC>pfrost: i know, dirty solution, but its needed
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13:46<pfrost>AgentC: you will have a difficult time automating typing a password, because sudo performs a number of checks to assure that probably a human is typing the password.
13:47<pfrost>maybe "assure" is too strong a word, but all the ordinary things you might try to give input to sudo noninteractively will fail
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13:48<SynrG>AgentC: needed why? i can think of no situation where that sort of hack is justified.
13:48<zeropiel>when partitioning, why is default first sector not sector 1 but 64?
13:49<AgentC>pfrost: i tried to add NOPASSWD to the sudoers file by "visudo". it says it has a syntax error
13:49<pfrost>AgentC: then you are doing it wrong.
13:49<SynrG>read the doc and try again
13:50<pfrost>AgentC: there are some examples near the end of the man page that might help, if you don't want to take the time to understand the full grammar.
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13:51<SynrG>where 'the man page' == the one for sudoers, not sudo, in case that wasn't obvious
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13:53<AgentC>so an entry like : "www-data ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL" would do the job ?
13:53<T-Guy>Poll: the best fucking game you've ever played on Debian?!
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13:55<gdb>T-Guy: There are some x-rated games out for Debian? Have a link?
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13:57<AgentC>Thank you very much, now it is working.
13:58<cesurasean>nsadmin, you there?
13:58<cesurasean>abrotman, you there?
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14:01<SynrG>AgentC: granting the web unrestricted, unpassworded superuser seems somehow a bad idea to me
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14:02<AgentC>SynrG: i agree, but theres no way to access to the sudo cmd from outerside without root login
14:03<SynrG>well, you're killing a gnat with a sledgehammer here. maybe rather than asking how to shoot yourself in the foot, you should just state your actual problem.
14:03<kop>AgentC: I've told you 2 good ways to do it, you just don't want to. No security is always easier than security. Oh well.
14:03<Sicelo>login as normal user, then su? :\
14:03<kop>SynrG: He wants the webserver to run an "at" job. He didn't say why.
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14:04<AgentC>SynrG: automated/scheduled phonecalls
14:05<AgentC>SynrG: wakeup calls
14:05<pfrost>why do you need root to make a phone call?
14:06<pfrost>that's your first problem
14:06<AgentC>pfrost: wakeup service by phonecall
14:07<pfrost>AgentC: i know what it is. Why does that require root?
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14:07<pparadis>why would i want to do that?
14:08<AgentC>pfrost: cause the at schedule entry is not runable by user
14:08<AgentC>pfrost: not by that user ! (www-data)
14:08<retrospectacus>AgentC: generally this kind of thing is done by storing scheduled jobs in a database, then using cron to "wget" a page every minute or 5 minutes, which checks for things to do "now"
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14:08<pfrost>AgentC: that's a tautology.
14:09<kop>AgentC: Perhaps the www-data user needs to be in the dip group.
14:09<retrospectacus>AgentC: you should not allow php to use "at", it's a big security hole
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14:10<abrotman>cesurasean: don't you think one network is enough ?
14:10<SynrG>mhm. and granting www-data sweeping privileges is a recipe for disaster.
14:10<AgentC>retrospectacus: "sudo at" is running from a bashscript which is called from php. only thing i have to beware of is, that it is not be possible to upload any php scripts, would cause security leck in case of sudo:nopasswd
14:11<kop>I already suggested incron, or a data-driven perl suid script to provide filtering and separation, but AgentC seems uninterested. I can't think of a third approach....
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14:12<retrospectacus>AgentC: when your machine gets hacked, it's never by the method you suspected
14:12<AgentC>kop: i'll correct that later as you said
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14:12<retrospectacus>AgentC: use the method I described 3 minutes ago
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14:13<AgentC>retrospectacus: polling joblist from server
14:13<AgentC>retrospectacus: seems to be the securest way
14:13<AgentC>retrospectacus: you're right
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14:14<kop>AgentC: Anything that's data-driven, so that the executing program can decide what's good data and what's not and will only do what it's supposed to.
14:15<pfrost>AgentC: you could also use sudo to grant access to a particular command (not all of them) and as a user (not root) that can do what you need
14:15<pfrost>and the particular command would be data-driven, as kop says.
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14:16<AgentC>i will change that later, i see my method currently is like russia roulette for the server.
14:16<retrospectacus>pfrost: the problem is, "at" can run anything. You shouldn't allow users to sudo at
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14:17<pfrost>i'm not saying put "at" in sudoers, i'm saying put a command that runs "at" in sudoers, and not as root, but as a user with restricted privs, which can only make phone calls.
14:17<kop>AgentC: You could even have your data-driven program setup an "at" job, "at" being nicely suited for for the task. But you want to avoid at all costs arbitrary jobs being submitted to "at".
14:18<pfrost>precicely
14:18*kop likes polling a db, just becuase it's easy to frob the schedule until the very last minute.
14:18*pfrost would argue that at is a mature tool for doing just that
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14:19<kop>pfrost: Agreed, but it does not have a web interface. :-)
14:19<pfrost>whatever. AgentC is just going to grant www-data passwordless root access, so i don't know why we are still discussing it :)
14:19<pfrost>AgentC: be sure to give us the URL when you are done
14:19<kop>pfrost: If we keep him talking long enough we can crack his system while we discuss.
14:20<retrospectacus>AgentC: I've done this a lot and cron */5 * * * * wget http://localhost/dojobs.php is the easiest reasonably secure way, not requiring any permissions fiddling or system() calls
14:21<retrospectacus>or php -f /some/path/not/in/www/dojobs.php if you prefer
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14:25<AgentC>yeayea, i know , sudo rm -rf /
14:26<AgentC>i'll change that
14:26<AgentC>thank you very much for make me eyes open !
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14:27<cesurasean>abrotman, i removed that. you told me to give you the file exactly like it was. i changed the subnet, or removed it on all 3, and had copied eth1's entire config and named it eth2, still doesn't work....
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14:30<kop>retrospectacus: Why wget a page and not access the underlying data directly?
14:31<cesurasean>abrotman, i tried this; http://pastebin.com/8mBhETBn ; but when i reboot and try to do ifconfig up eth2, for example, the command line just freezes. & none of the 3 nics work?
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14:33<retrospectacus>kop: well, no special reason, hence the second option, but if you're using php it's usual to run it with a browser
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14:36<abrotman>cesurasean: i told you no such thing .. remember, you didn't want my help
14:36<abrotman>cesurasean: i think you want to talk to nsadmin on freenode
14:37<abrotman>cesurasean: remember, i was the one waiting for the pastebin you never gave me
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14:39<cesurasean>abrotman, sorry my memory is not well these days.
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14:39<cesurasean>i just provided you with the interfaces file also. the one i edited myself, and the original one....
14:39<cesurasean>is there a tool i can use to add or configure a 3rd nic?
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14:40<retrospectacus>a phillips screwdriver, probably ;)
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14:40<pparadis>cesurasean: do you actually have a third physical NIC?
14:41<pparadis>or are you really needing to configure ethernet aliases instead?
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14:41<pparadis>retrospectacus: nice :)
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14:42<cesurasean>pparadis, yes. 1 onboard, 2 pci.
14:43<retrospectacus>cesurasean: interfaces file then. What's the problem?
14:43<cesurasean>retrospectacus, i would rather just use the 2 pci, and disable the onboard, but that config is not working.
14:43<gdb>cesurasean: /etc/network/interfaces is where you'll configure it
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14:43<cesurasean>the problem seems when i upgraded debian, it didn't take into account that i had not enable, or even specified the onboard nic, yet the onboard nic is clashing with the 2 pci cards, and causing no cards to work.
14:44<cesurasean>gdb, i configured it @ i tried this; http://pastebin.com/8mBhETBn ; but when i reboot and try to do ifconfig up eth2, for example, the command line just freezes. & none of the 3 nics work?
14:44<cesurasean>seems udev might be having trouble with 3 cards on this machine which prior never had a problem.
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14:45<pparadis>cesurasean: do all the NICs show up in lspci output?
14:47<retrospectacus>why three nics on the same network?
14:47<pparadis>good question. i'm wondering, again, if this is a problem that should be solved by using ethernet aliases.
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14:47<gdb>Is there an eth3? If there's not, then use, you may need to mess around in /etc/udev/rules
14:48<gdb>er eth2
14:50<retrospectacus>yeah cesurasean if you just want multiple IPs you can do it with just one card
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14:52<cesurasean>how do i enable the 3rd one, so that i can *NOT* even use it? seems udev has messed this config up...
14:52<cesurasean>i tried this; http://pastebin.com/8mBhETBn ; but when i reboot and try to do ifconfig up eth2, for example, the command line just freezes. & none of the 3 nics work?
14:52<cesurasean>ifconfig up eth0, or eth1 also freezes the command line.
14:52<ergalvao>Greetings, guys. Is there a debian analogue to Ubuntu's add-apt-repository? I've tried installing apt-src and apt-utils, but none gave me this command utility so...
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14:53<pparadis>cesurasean: we can certainly go down that road, but first could you please tell us what you are really trying to do? are you simply trying to get multiple IP addresses configured on the same server?
14:53<cesurasean>im wanting to NOT use the onboard nic, which keeps messing up the 2 pci
14:53<retrospectacus>cesurasean: you already said that. Did you read all the stuff we said?
14:53<cesurasean>what is the easiest way to tell the kernel to not use it at all?
14:54<cesurasean>yes.
14:54<cesurasean>i did.
14:54<retrospectacus>cesurasean: disable it in the BIOS
14:54<pparadis>okay, right, but why are you using multiple NICs?
14:54<cesurasean>ah
14:54<pparadis>cesurasean: ^
14:54<cesurasean>i see
14:54<cesurasean>retrospectacus, thanks.
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14:54<pparadis>you didn't attempts to disable it in BIOS before?
14:54*pparadis headdesks
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14:56<retrospectacus>anyways, it's very unusual to have multiple nics on the same network. I'm not sure if/how such foolishness is supported by the kernel
14:56<cesurasean>i am having issues with thinking lately, although i do know these things. feel like im having to relearn some things, or be able to access those parts of my brain. ;)
14:57<pparadis>it should work fine actually. i've done it in corner cases where i needed to dedicate a physical NIC to a VM.
14:57<cesurasean>thanks for all the help guys. i think disable it in bios is the key to shutting up the udev upgrade.
14:57<pparadis>but we still don't know what cesurasean is actually trying to accomplish.
14:57<cesurasean>pparadis, it's a load balancer, 1 nic inbound, 1 outbound.
14:57<pparadis>usually, multiple NICs would indicate a router setup.
14:58<pparadis>nod, now that's more information! :)
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14:58<retrospectacus>you really have to support so much traffic that one nic is not enough?
14:58<cesurasean>when i upgraded debian, it seems to have broke my previous config. so disable the onboard in bios is probably better than leaving it out inside /etc/network/interfaces file
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14:58<cesurasean>retrospectacus, no.
14:58<pparadis>retrospectacus: some setups don't work properly with aliases.
14:58<cesurasean>i just want 1 physical for each is all.
14:58<pparadis>o_O
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15:10<abrotman>cesurasean: got it all figured uot now ?
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15:15<dizzylizzy>Is there a reason apt-cache would suddenly be running in the background, preventing me from accessing the cache or perform operations until it finished?
15:16<bbean>Hey guys. I just changed the hostname and static ip on my machine, and now it takes ~30 seconds for a sudo command to execute. Any ideas?
15:16<pparadis>dizzylizzy: possibly this? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/cron-apt
15:16<dizzylizzy>cron is involved too it seems
15:16<weasel>bbean: is your hostname and address in /etc/hosts?
15:17<pparadis>dizzylizzy: ^^
15:17<dizzylizzy>thank you
15:17<pparadis>:)
15:17<mase>bbean is loopback device "lo" still existing?
15:17<bbean>weasel: yeah it is, and in hosts, and I ran /etc/init.d/hostname.sh
15:17<pparadis>bbean: what's in /etc/resolv.conf?
15:18<bbean>lo still exists
15:18<weasel>bbean: and what does 'hostname' and 'hostname -f' say?
15:18<bbean>/etc/resolve.conf:
15:18<bbean>domain cs.nmt.edu
15:18<bbean>search cs.nmt.edu
15:18<bbean>nameserver <ip>
15:18<bbean>nameserver <another ip>
15:19<pparadis>please use http://paste.debian.org for that sort of stuff
15:19<bbean>hostname and hostname -f both say: cs.nmt.edu
15:19<pparadis>errr
15:19<pparadis>paste.debian.net sorry
15:19<bbean>thanks, pparadis :)
15:19<pparadis>!paste
15:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
15:19<pparadis>np :)
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15:20*pparadis should have just hit the trigger for that.
15:20<pparadis>hostname and hostname -f should not say the same thing.
15:20<pparadis>bbean: could you please paste your /etc/hosts file to the pastebin?
15:21<weasel>and they should say your hostnam,e not your domain.
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15:22<pparadis>bbean: for reference, here's an example of a simple hosts file: http://paste.debian.net/169157/
15:22<pparadis>the corresponding entry in /etc/hostname would simply be "marbles"
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15:23<pparadis>bbean: also --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostname
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15:23<pparadis>bbean: and --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_qualified_domain_name
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15:24<bbean>/etc/hosts pasted at http://paste.debian.net/169158/
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15:24<pparadis>bbean: did you see the example i linked before for /etc/hosts?
15:24<weasel>so your host is called cs?
15:24<weasel>in the domain nmt.edu?
15:24<pparadis>nod, that should probably be more like something.cs.nmt.edu
15:25<bbean>pparadis: yes
15:25<pparadis>the wikipedia links on what a hostname and what a FQDN are should help you understand.
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15:25<bbean>the host should be cs, the domain nmt.edu
15:26<pparadis>i don't believe that is correct.
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15:26<pparadis>cs.nmt.edu would be a domain with a lot of hosts in it, am i right?
15:26<pparadis>i'm assuming "cs" means computer science.
15:26<weasel>bbean: then all that appears to be missing is a "cs" label in your /etc/hosts
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15:27<pparadis>well, if that were actually a sensible hostname, sure. but i don't believe that is a sensible hostname.
15:27<pparadis>and his /etc/hostname would still be wrong as well.
15:27<bbean>cs does mean computer science, this host is the webserver
15:27<pparadis>surely cs.nmt.edu is a domain, not a single host.
15:27<weasel>bbean: so it should have a proper hostname in the cs domain
15:28<weasel>bbean: like gandalf.cs.nmt.edu or whatever
15:28<weasel>the host isn't called "cs" when you refer to it, is it?
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15:28<pparadis>bbean: i name my hosts after planets, philosophers, whatever. so you could call your web server "plato.cs.nmt.edu" for example. optimally, it would have an entry in DNS controlled by whoever manages DNS for cs.nmt.edu as well.
15:28<bbean>Well, it is, currently. We could set it up for the firewall to point web access to web.cs.nmt.edu or whatever.
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15:29<pparadis>also, please note that the practice of naming hosts "web", "www", etc is discouraged. using a unique name for each host prevents some issues down the road, such as when you decide to have three web servers instead of one.
15:30<mase>on my server the /etc/hostname just contains the "local" name, in my case its just "sid"
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15:30<pparadis>you could name it banana for example, and the FQDN would be then banana.cs.nmt.edu.
15:30<mase>yep
15:31<bbean>good name
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15:32<pparadis>bbean: so stuff would look like this then --> http://paste.debian.net/169159/
15:32<pparadis>you'd replace 11.22.33.44 with the IP of that host.
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15:34<bbean>ok, but fixing /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname with a proper name, like so paste.debian.net/169161, should fix the sudo problem?
15:34<pparadis>sometimes things like sudo misbehave when they can't determine their own hostname reliably.
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15:35<pparadis>it may help. you'll want to do "hostname -F /etc/hostname" after you fix up the files as well, and you probably want to log out and back in.
15:35<bbean>Would a restart be necessary?
15:35<pparadis>should not dbe.
15:35<pparadis>be, even
15:35<gdb>Debian's hostname is in 3 places.
15:35<gdb> /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, and /etc/mailname
15:36<pparadis>true enough, good point, might as well fix that up as well.
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15:36<gdb>cd /etc ; sed -i 's/oldname/newname/g' hosts hostname mailname
15:37<gdb>that's how i change a hostname ;-)
15:37<pparadis>:)
15:37<pparadis>although different MTAs treat /etc/mailname differently, unfortuantely.
15:37<gdb>I always reboot, though, too. I don't know if that's necessary.
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15:37<pparadis>nah, shouldn't be necessary.
15:37<gdb>Yes, I just use the default exim4 install.
15:37<pparadis>as far as i'm concerned, reboots are only for kernel updates ;)
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15:38<bbean>ok, do you know if it should matter with postfix, apache, mysql, or roundcube?
15:38<gdb>Yeah, I reboot for libc upgrades, too. Just to ensure everything that's running is using the new one.
15:38<gdb>bbean: shouldn't
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15:38<pparadis>for postfix, you want the FQDN in /etc/mailname (it will use that as the SMTP banner for inbound connections)
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15:39<pparadis>i don't recall how exim treats it.
15:39<bbean>Cool, thanks guys
15:39<gdb>It's an FQDN on my system.
15:39<pparadis>i use exim for "send only" configs where the host just needs to be able to send mail out, and postfix for inbound and outbound cases.
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15:39<pparadis>gdb: nod, probably treats it the same as postfix then.
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15:40<gdb>Actually, I wonder if that can be called an FQDN. I know that's the jargon term for it, but wouldn't it have to end in a period to be considered "fully qualified"? ;-)
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15:41<pparadis>hah, technically true, although pretty much the only thing that uses trailing dots for DNS names is... DNS servers ;)
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15:41<gdb>hehe
15:41<pparadis>the only place i ever see it is in my zone files :)
15:41<gdb>same here
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16:57<wally>hello @ all
16:57<heikkila>hello, wally
16:59<wally>does anybody know about the ID-tag problem in rhythmbox and a idea how to fix it?
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17:01<inma>hi wallly
17:01<heikkila>yes and no. there are id-tag-editors in the repo I think
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17:04<inma>what?
17:04<inma>aa ok
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17:06<inma>vesa peka hi pretty
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17:10<wally>i found an id-tag editor in the repo. but it would take very very long time to check every one of my tracks. because there ara about 75% false in rythmbox
17:11<inma>aaa ok i love you
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17:21<inma>i love he
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17:28<inma>hay que os qiero yo mas
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17:29<retrospectacus>!es inma
17:29<dpkg>inma: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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17:30<inma>what?
17:30<inma>i don´t understand to you
17:31<inma>hi cariis where are you?
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17:31<inma>do you can´t chat with me?
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17:31<retrospectacus>inma: this channel is for technical support in English for Debian. Chatting is not allowed.
17:31<inma>joee macho que tios
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17:32<inma>i love you
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17:32<inma>retorpectacus i love you and you love me?
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17:33<inma>why mase se a marxao?
17:33<retrospectacus>inma: no, sorry. this channel is for technical support in English for Debian. Chatting is not allowed.
17:33<inma>yes and i love you
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17:33<inma>(:
17:33<inma>:)
17:34<inma>magoo se ha marchado
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17:35<inma>kazie
17:35<inma>teeqiierooo
17:36<inma>porque os salen las leetras de colores?
17:36<inma>y a mi no?
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17:40<inma>toma a iii no podia se miguel tenia que esta gordo y pa colmo MIGUELON hahahahaha bueno aunque teeqiierooo muchoo MIGUELON haahahahaha
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17:50<Nebel>Hello! I'm new to Debian, is there anyone I can make a question regarding samba and gvfs?
17:51<heikkila>Nebel, if it is about configuring a Debian installation just ask away
17:52<Nebel>I've Debian Squeeze installed successfully, I'd like someone to point me in the right direction about:
17:52<Nebel>mounting iso files straight from nautilus
17:53<Nebel>mounting samba folders automatically from nautilus (so that any aplication can access it as if it were a local folder)
17:54<Nebel>I come from Ubuntu, were iso mounts with the "mount manager" and latest samba folders are accessible from the .gvfs folder...
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17:54<Nebel>Any hints?
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17:57<Nebel>So far I'm extremely satisfied with Debian. My machine flies, as promised :). I just miss some nice shortcuts.
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17:58<pparadis>Nebel: regarding being able to use the "connect to server" method for samba shares, this is an older thread but seems like it might be applicable --> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=39617#p258639
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18:00<pparadis>Nebel: for mounting ISO images, this might be useful --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/furiusisomount
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18:01<pparadis>Nebel: looks like you could also probably use nautilus scripts for that --> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmout-iso-images-without-burning-them.html
18:02<pparadis>Nebel: there's also this --> http://packages.debian.org/stable/acetoneiso
18:02<Nebel>Thanks for the links! Some of them I already red, but I'll try some more
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18:03<Nebel>pparadis: nautilus scripts don't look really elegant, but they should do, thanks
18:04<pparadis>no problem! you might be able to either find something better, or improve that one and help others ;)
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18:06<Nebel>I lacked fusesmb, let's see if it was that. Logging off! Thanks!
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18:08<AgentC>bon soir
18:08<AgentC>:)
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18:18<Nebel>pparadis: that was it, fusesmb and add myself to the gvfs group
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18:18<Nebel>pparadis: now any program (VLC, Mplayer) can access my network videos with a double click
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18:21<AgentC>short question, on calling a php site with parameters like test.php?id=1 how to specify multiple variables, for example id , email ... dunno what seperator is needed.
18:21<weasel>; or &
18:21<AgentC>thank you
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19:05<Stereo>hi everyone
19:05<Stereo>every day at 1 am, I see a load spike on one of my systems
19:05<Stereo>I've checked the cron jobs I could think of, but nothing is scheduled for 1 am
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19:06<diederik>Hi, I have installed debian in a Virtualbox image and installed the guest additions
19:06<Stereo>is there anything other than /etc/cron* and /var/spool/cron/crontabs ?
19:06<diederik>I only have a very basic system. How can I make the console window bigger?
19:06<ompaul>Stereo: check your syslog and see what's happening
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19:06<ompaul>Stereo: backups or some such who knows
19:06<abrotman>or your cron log
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19:08<Stereo>ah, good idea
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19:08<Stereo>yup, couple of things there
19:09*pparadis craves a baked potato with sour cream, salt, pepper, and a dash of cayenne.
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19:09<Stereo>but then those things seem to run every hour, or every five minutes
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19:11<Stereo>the backups run later in the night, so it's not that
19:11<abrotman>Stereo: does the spike cause some issue?
19:12<Stereo>I guess I could just cron something that runs ps auxww 60 seconds in a row at 1 am...
19:12<Stereo>abrotman: nothing more than a monitoring email :)
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19:14<abrotman>Stereo: raise the threshold!
19:14<abrotman>Stereo: can your email also send you a top ?
19:14<Stereo>heh, yeah, that's what I was thinking of doing
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19:14<Stereo>I wish it could. It's just monit. I'll check.
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19:15<Stereo>I'll see if it can be hacked
19:16<abrotman>Stereo: you can't find anything in /etc/cron* or /var/spool/cron/* ?
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19:17<Stereo>abrotman: nothing that runs at 1 am specifically
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19:18<abrotman>or there abouts?
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19:20<Stereo>hmm, nope
19:21<Stereo>I'll just raise the monitoring threshold, it's probably nothing
19:21<Stereo>maybe one of the cron jobs decides to do some maintenance thing once a day, who knows
19:22<abrotman>Stereo: if it's always at the same time, you can easily setup a cron job to dump a top or sometihng to a log file
19:22<Nazcafan>my /tmp is full, but when I do a du on it, the whole sum is 8kB
19:24<Stereo>Nazcafan: you're probably running a program that's still using a file on /tmp even though it's been deleted. Try lsof /tmp
19:24<pparadis>indeed, files aren't really gone until handles to them are gone.
19:24<Stereo>abrotman: yeah, I think I'll do that. Don't see what else I could try, really! Thank you.
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19:25<pparadis>Stereo: also, for things like /tmp that have a tendency to have a lot of small files in them, you may want to have a look at the output of "df -i"
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19:25<pparadis>folks frequently run out of inodes on filesystems like that.
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19:30<Nazcafan>Stereo, was firefox, restarted it
19:30<Nazcafan>Stereo, thanks
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19:30<pparadis>darn i just realied i did "Stereo:" when i meant to do "Nazcafan" earlier :)
19:31<abrotman>they'll live :)
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20:25<staticsafe>judd: version compiz
20:25<judd>Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.1; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4
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21:08<DJ>sup
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21:11<DJ>Hello All
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21:35<one>Good morning. Debian have great potential. I think so.
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22:25<waynr>howdy folks
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22:26<Guest390>hi..
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22:27<kop>If you have a debian question, just ask.
22:27<waynr>i fixed a bug and i am following the tutorial here: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial but i am a little confused by part of it
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22:28<waynr>in #Edit_the_source_code, it mentions using dpatch-edit-patch but i don't have that on my system
22:28<abrotman>!tell waynr about apt-file
22:28<kop>waynr: You can use apt-file to find it.
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22:30<waynr>thanks abrotman
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22:43<indystorm>OMG why isn't firefox in aptitude?!?!?! This is insane- it needs to be fixed in the next version...!!!
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22:43<abrotman>you need iceweasel
22:43<indystorm>no, I don't- iceweasel is old and it sucks- it's not compatible with any websites
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22:43<abrotman>so use mozilla.debian.net
22:44<indystorm>I want firefox with the firefox logo
22:44<indystorm>whats that?
22:44<abrotman>then go to #mozilla and ask them how to install it, Firefox is not in Debian, Iceweasel is
22:44<abrotman>your choices are the version you have, use mozilla.debian.net, or ask Mozilla
22:45<indystorm>OK- you'd get more debian users if you had firefox in the repos--!!!! thanks guys
22:45<abrotman>You don't have to use Debian ..
22:45<abrotman>Debian has Iceweasel, it is Firefox with a few patches
22:45<indystorm>I like debian except for this it's insane
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22:46<indystorm>it is an old version of firefox that isn't supported on numerous websites
22:46<abrotman>well, please convince Mozilla to allow Debian to distribute Firefox .. your problem will be solved
22:46<abrotman>apparently you still haven't read mozilla.debian.net
22:46<craigevil>iceweasel: Installed: 12.0-4 works exactly the same as Firefox 12
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22:48<indystorm>ok how do I get that? the latest is 3.5??
22:48<indystorm>I just installed iceweasel from repo and it's 3.5... not 12
22:48<abrotman>apparently you still haven't read mozilla.debian.net
22:48<craigevil>indystorm, abrotman has told you repeatedly > mozilla.debian.net
22:48<indystorm>ohhh ok hang on
22:49<abrotman>i know .. cause when i say it, it comes out sounding like Gremlin-speak
22:49<craigevil>i think it comes across as Greek or maybe mandrin
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22:54<indystorm>wow ok got it thanks guys!!!!! :) :) :)
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23:41<LtL>when you update-alternatives --config x-www-browser do you need to logout/login to take effect?
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23:42<craigevil>no
23:43<LtL>hrm, i backported iceweasel but chromium stills comes up, but it's set to iceweasel
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23:44<craigevil>if you are running gnome or kde, also need to change the setting in system settings, default applications
23:44<LtL>craigevil: ah, forgot about that, thanks man
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23:49<goer>Hi all...anyone listening pls?
23:50<goer>I need help with capturing vhs pls
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