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00:39<bones_was_here>anyone know why k3b disables the verify options when it detects an audio cd? when burning an image of one it calculates the md5 but doesn't use it for anything
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01:09<chealer>bones_was_here: presumably because an error on an audio CD generally has insignificant consequences
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01:13<bones_was_here>that's true, but in this case a coworker asked me to burn on an already scratched cd-rw, so there's no way to tell if it's ok without listening to the whole thing
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02:01<owl_wolf>hello
02:01<owl_wolf>anybody here
02:01<owl_wolf>let we share about debian
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02:17<willemb>Hi. Can I rename eth devices (eth1 to eth0, specifially) without rebooting?
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02:22<jm_>willemb: yes
02:22<willemb>awesome. how?
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02:22<jm_>!70
02:22<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
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02:23<nevyn>willemb: if you're going to go to the effort of naming it. use a meaningful name.
02:24*nevyn likes naming nic's things like managment or production or external etc
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02:25<willemb>so I guess I need to fix /etc/network/interfaces first, then the persistent-net.rules, then do a udevadm and a 'networking restart'
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02:27<nevyn>udevadm trigger
02:27<willemb>that's what I meant
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02:30<scientes>nevyn, name it /dev/appalachian_trail
02:30<scientes>or something equally silly
02:30<nevyn>scientes: silly names are silly but ethN is in some ways even worse.
02:31<nevyn>and then you get into arguments about data leakage from names of things if they're meaningful
02:31<nevyn>my view is if you can see them you're privilaged already and we've got other problems.
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02:32<scientes>nevyn, unity recently did the idiotic thing and call eth0 "wired connection 1" even stupidly starting the counting at 0
02:32<nevyn>that's not stupid
02:32<nevyn>it's much more meaningful than eth1
02:32<nevyn>or eth0
02:32<scientes>**networkmanager
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02:33<nevyn>it's OBVIOUS what it is from that name
02:33*scientes likes the way gnome-shell does it better
02:33<scientes>yeah but why cant they count from 0?
02:33<nevyn>the name exists to make humans lives easier. the computers don't care.
02:34<scientes>the counting from 1 is so....plebeian
02:34<nevyn>network interfaces are something that arn't hidden enough that they can have meaningful names
02:34<nevyn>scientes: most people start ordinal counting at 1
02:34<nevyn>ie 1st thing 2nd thing
02:34<nevyn>it's only CS wankers that do 0th thing 1st thing
02:35<scientes>nevyn, thats because the mindset is differn't when you are counting
02:35<scientes>the years start at 0
02:35<scientes>as in dates
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02:35<scientes>same with how old you are
02:35<scientes>and other non-ordinal things
02:36<scientes>chinese age enumeration starts actually starts at 1....
02:36<nevyn>a car doesn't have tyres 0-3 it has 1-4
02:36<scientes>AFAIK
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02:37<scientes>nevyn, actually with a cars*tires* it would be front-left, front-right, read-left, etc
02:37<scientes>or 0,1,2,3 in engineering stuff
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02:37*scientes once blew someones mind with the difference between starting at 0 and 1
02:38<scientes>who was convinced that the millenium only started at 2001
02:38<scientes>i convinced them it was a matter of definition
02:38<scientes>..and the real definition is that year 0 is the first, but i didn't get that far
02:39<nevyn>there is no year 0
02:39<nevyn>1bc - 1AD
02:39<nevyn>the julian calendar was invented before the concept of 0
02:39<scientes>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_%28year%29
02:39<scientes>fuck
02:39<scientes>that doesn't make any fucking sense
02:39<scientes>oh wait it does
02:39<scientes>Anno Domini
02:40<scientes>in *the year* of our lord
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02:40<willemb>for some definition of 'the concept of 9'
02:40<willemb>for some definition of 'the concept of 0'
02:40<nevyn>except they got it wrong.. by about 4-5 years
02:40<scientes>nevyn, well thats a minor tribble...
02:40<seeS>youd think they get that right, someone's in for some heavy Smiting now
02:40<scientes>the chinese still number ages like that
02:40<scientes>but we westerns use the 0 system for ages
02:40<nevyn>this is way OT...
02:41<scientes>lol
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02:41<nevyn>but you don't talk about your 0th year of life.
02:41<nevyn>you talk about your 1st.
02:41<scientes>yeah but year 0 IS the irst
02:41<scientes>thats obv.
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02:42<nevyn>it's the year when you were 0
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02:42<seeS>i thik that was the difference between ordinal and something else i forget
02:42<nevyn>cardinal
02:42<seeS>ie "item 0" is the first item
02:42<scientes>items are ordinal, right? while floats are cardinal?
02:42<willemb>you were 0 years old during the 1st year of your life. Makes perfect sense
02:43<scientes>yep
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02:43<seeS>so 0th should of meant first, so we can blame the peoople who made up english then
02:43<nevyn>cardinal show how many. ordinal show the order of things
02:44<nevyn>seeS: who lacked 0 so it's not surprising they missed this.
02:44<seeS>they should of listened to the prussians or wheover invented the 0 then
02:45<nevyn>the fact remains if there are 2 wired network cards in a computer wired ethernet 1 and wired ethernet 2 is more sensible to most peopel than 0 and 1
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02:45*scientes likes the fact that -0 and +0 are distinct...
02:46<seeS>that's just madness scientes
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02:49<nevyn>scientes: but equal?
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02:49<nevyn>ie 5-5 == -5+5
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02:55<scientes>nevyn, what it really should say is "First wired network interface", or if it lines up better "Wired network, first"
02:55<scientes>but they are too lazy to localize that type of thing
02:55<scientes>even thought the libraries exist, in ruby at least
02:55<scientes>well that pretty general, i bet alot of translations exist
02:56<scientes>that i would have no arguments with
02:56<scientes>nevyn, of course ordinar numbers you start at 1, that because the ordinal reference point is 0 !
02:58<scientes>nevyn, for the answer to that you have to reference IEEE 754
02:59<nevyn>scientes: which is a computing thing
02:59<scientes>nevyn, its the standard for floating point numbers
02:59<scientes>but that the only place you are going to see the difference between -0 and +0 explained
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03:00<nevyn>scientes: so you have to use minfloat macros and stuff to do comparisons of floating point no's
03:01<scientes>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signed_zero
03:03<adam_>do you know any projects like seti etc but not boinc based (because dont work in debian unstable)?
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03:04<scientes>adam_, with modern computer there is a huge power consumption difference between idle and load, and also most things that can be done in a BOINC environment run orders of magnitude faster on a GPU to the point that non-GPU BOINC is basically useless
03:04<scientes>for that reason I recommend against such programs adam_
03:04<scientes>the power consumption is not worth the computation's value
03:06*scientes is not sure if BOINC can run GPUs these days
03:07<scientes>running it on arm might also make sense in some cases, (with hardware you don't have) but no x86
03:07<scientes>ahh it does look like it suports GPUs now
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03:10<adam_>i know
03:10<adam_>but i dont pay for power
03:10<adam_>at work
03:10<adam_>we pay for rooms and power is in same price always
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03:10<adam_>and i have 4 core 3.5ghz, 8gb ram and gpu nvidia 9600
03:10<adam_>to use everyday 16h
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03:11<adam_>can i install package from stable in testing?
03:11<jm_>which package?
03:11<adam_>can i install package from stable in testing? because boinc client/manager from unstable dont work, and there is no package in testing
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03:18<Marezz>is gnome 2 still getting patches in squeeze?
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03:23<cardamon>Hey, I found what might be a bug with a package. Mainly that for Okular to open .cbr files, which use RAR as an archive type, needs unrar to be installed, so it would make sense to add it as a dependency. Since that's a decision and solution for the package maintainer to make, should I file a bug report?
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03:24<jm_>cardamon: it's a suggested package already
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03:37<T-Guy>Google has banned my country, is there anyone to download GoogleEarthLinux.deb and upload it for me?! otherwise I have to download it with a proxy @ 10Kilobytes per sec :((
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03:39<Sicelo>unfortunately i'm on mobile, and can't help, but i don't suppose GoogleEarth will work for you if you're blocked anyway
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03:40<cardamon>What country gets banned from Google?
03:41<T-Guy>Iran
03:41<cardamon>T-Guy: Other way around, guy.
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03:42<scientes>adam_, i would still only set to use the GPU, and not the CPU, its just not worth the electricity consumption
03:43<scientes>T-Guy, if google bans you google earth wont work, cause that software requires a connection to google all the time to be useful at all
03:43<cardamon>T-Guy: Look into getting a VPN, honestly.
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03:44<ompaul>wow funny how the other #d has a similar discussion with a totally different person on the same ip
03:44<cardamon>Surely you can't be serious.
03:44<jm_>they probably need to use proxy for this too :)
03:45<jm_>well i guess ":)" is really a poor way of using it
03:45<jm_>(in this case)
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03:45<cardamon>Aren't VPN's more or less system wide proxies?
03:45<cardamon>Or at least, interface wide?
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03:49<jm_>alternatively use a different tool, i.e. RouteConverter
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04:34<sasa>ccc
04:34<T-Guy>sasa, don't write bullshit in here
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04:39<oliva>hi there ... anybody has installed ofed infiniband software on squeeze?
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04:40<T-Guy>hi oliva
04:40<T-Guy>how are you?!
04:40<T-Guy>asl?
04:40<oliva>?
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04:55<coderat1>what kernel is being used in squeeze atm
04:55<asfethan>.32
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04:57<coderat1>asfethan could you do a quick uname ? I am on wheezy but helping a friend out with squeeze.
04:57<jm_>judd kernels
04:57<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.17-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.16-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
04:57<coderat1>thx
04:58<asfethan>coderat1: Linux enigma 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 5 01:12:59 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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04:59<coderat1>asfethan thx. Got it sorted here.
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04:59<T-Guy>asfethan, may 5?!!!
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05:07<SynrG>sounds about right. that's around the point release, 6.0.5
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05:10<jm_>that's a kernel build date, not current date
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05:11<SynrG>http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.32-45/changelog
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05:20<adam_>scientes: i dont care about power, whatever boinc dont work on debian unstable
05:21<adam_>seg fault when try add with manager
05:21<adam_>can i manual add somewhere?
05:21<scientes>adam_, its open source you should fix it
05:21<scientes>!debug
05:21*dpkg DeBuggers $1
05:21<scientes>!gdb
05:21<dpkg>from memory, gdb is gnu debugger
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08:12<AgentC>babilen: hi. where get i get an actual database file of debian information for blootbot? my bot-db is broken and want to restore it. seems to be usefull to have the dpkg-info-stuff also on the own bot
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08:13<jm_>!my factoids
08:13<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at http://crito.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
08:13<AgentC>thank you!
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08:15<AgentC>kilelme!
08:15<jm_>no problem
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08:28<DragonDon>I am looking for a solution on the IP addresses that my firewall blocks. such as host, country and port information that the IP was trying to access.
08:29<DragonDon>if I had any skill in scripting, I'm sure I could do something but alas, tis something I have yet to start really learning.
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08:29<babilen>AgentC: Please ask the channel, thank you.
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08:30<petemc>DragonDon: i pay for maxmind api access to do geoip stuff, they have some easy to use perl scripts
08:30<petemc>+for
08:32<DragonDon>petemc, I suppose that works but really, I am wating to be more independant and not rely on anyone else for services that can be done without.
08:32<petemc>you just want to know how to parse logs?
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08:34<DragonDon>Being new to Linux, relative speaking, I want to pull that info into one,reasonably readable format. If I could add a country flag and a link/pop-up to the port info, that would be an awesome start
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08:34<DragonDon>to Firestarter...
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08:35<aaa>hello, i'm configuring hylafax, but my modem can't answer, can you help me please ?
08:36<jm_>I use this in my logfile colourizer (it's for one type of iptables logs only): ^(.{15}) (\S+) kernel: IN=(.+) OUT=(.*) MAC=([0-9a-f:]*) SRC=([\d.]+) DST=([\d.]+) LEN=(\d+) TOS=([\dx]+) PREC=([\dx]+) TTL=(\d+) ID=([\dx]+) .*PROTO=TCP SPT=(\d+) DPT=(\d+) WINDOW=(\d+) RES=([\dx]+) (.*)URGP=(\d+)
08:37<DragonDon>well, that just confuses me :/
08:37<DragonDon>And I just saw that Firestarted is no longer developed....time to update to gufw it seems.
08:37<petemc>and no popups!
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08:37<jm_>it's a perl regex to split a line in several easy to use parts
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08:38<DragonDon>that's easy for you to say...
08:38<DragonDon>./me looks around trying to to seem too much of a newbie...
08:38*DragonDon looks around trying to to seem too much of a newbie...
08:38<DragonDon>sigh
08:38<petemc>rome wasnt built in a day
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08:40<DragonDon>yeah....the aries in me just isn't happy with all the ideas and needing 6 months of learning to get them out when I want them now :/
08:40<petemc>such is life
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08:42<DragonDon>ok, since I have to switch away from Firestarter, and install gufw (because I am still new at iptables as well, so a gui is a band-aid for me), is it better to unisntall firestarter first then install gufw(which will install ufw...hoping nothing breaks too badly when I do all this change) or do it all at once?
08:43<nevyn>why do you need to switch away from firestarter?
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08:45<DragonDon>nevyn, from synaptic "Firestarter is no longer developed and is missing some critical
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08:45<DragonDon>features such as IPv6 support, so users may be advised to look
08:45<DragonDon>into more modern alternatives such as gufw."
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08:47<DragonDon>think I'll leave Firestarter for now...not planning on implementing ipv6 anytime soon really.
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08:58<umang>'
08:58<umang>;
08:58<umang>[;p[[jjjjjjjjjjjjjjj''''''''
08:58<babilen>umang: Do you have a Debian related question?
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09:01<AgentC>is any blootbot / infobot maintainer here ?
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09:01<AgentC>like "dpkg" is ?
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09:02<umang>help!! my computer does not shut down or change user, only black screen comes
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09:04<DragonDon>umang, press and hold the power button for 15 seconds, it'll shutdown then.
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09:05<umang>thanks, but my desktop comes, everything is fine, only switch user and shutdown does not come
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10:14<xubuntu>hi all
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10:16<xubuntu>are there some people with problems with libcairo2 under sid?
10:16<devil>xubuntu: it
10:16<devil>it'sfixed
10:18<xubuntu>devil: hmmm, I have made an d-u yesterday on debian sid, and the problem is still there...
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10:19<devil>xubuntu: must be something different then
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10:32<houms>what is the recommended method for using ssh-add to add ssh key for key logins? Specifically how can I get it to save my key between reboots/logout
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10:37<houms>is the only answer to use ssh-add on every login?
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10:48<backbox>?
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10:54<karateninja>Hello! I'm in for a quick question. I'm very new to linux overall, and trying to figure out how adding users and permissions work and how to set them. Lets say I have a user called 'poweruser' which homedir is "/home/poweruser/files". I want to create a second user with limited access. No write/exec etc. This user tho, should have readaccess to "/home/poweruser/files" and its subfolders. Is
10:54<karateninja>this possible? And what are the commands to do this? :)
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11:16<mikegrb>fg
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11:18<musca>karateninja: /msg dpkg permissions
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11:52<arinov_>how to find out is there ekg2 program in debian repository?
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11:53<gdb>arinov_: apt-cache search <search_term>
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11:53<gdb>arinov_: Looks like there isn't.
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11:54<lucius>Try apt-cache search ekg2 from the command line, or have a look at packages.debian.org
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11:54<gdb>There's an ekg package at version 1.8
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11:54<arinov_>thanks but gdb right - there is no
11:54<gdb>arinov_: Note this is on stable. I don't know what version may be in testing or unstable.
11:54<arinov_>it is first version
11:55<arinov_>ok
11:55<gdb>(but packages.debian.org's search can tell you)
11:55<arinov_>can i remove some apps from gnome without gnome?
11:56<arinov_>i mean empathy
11:56<arinov_>some others like epiphany
11:57<gdb>I prefer pidgin.
11:57<gdb>Over empathy, I mean. epiphany is the web browser
11:58<arinov_>i have two browsers here but i use only one of them
11:58<musca>then don't klick on the 2nd
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11:59<arinov_>musca, just leave it at all?
12:00<moty66>is eclipse pdt available as a package? or I have to install eclipse then pdt plugins ?
12:00<gdb>I don't think you can remove epiphany. It depends on how the dependencies are setup, but i'd suspect that gnome depends on it as the "official gnome browser"
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12:03<musca>!alternatives
12:03<dpkg>i guess alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>.
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12:03<musca>arinov_: ^^ see dpkg, there is no need to remove the 2nd browser
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12:03<arinov_>how to configure epiphany to work with tabs by default bot windows?
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12:04<arinov_>in next version of debian default desktop environment will be gnome 3?
12:05<gdb>Yes, that's right. GNOME overall is version 3, the desktop is GNOME Shell.
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12:06<arinov_>will aptitude stay in debian next version?
12:07<ompaul>arinov_: it's there already - it's in testing
12:07<arinov_>ok
12:08<gdb>arinov_: I don't know if the recommendation will change for Wheezy, but apt-get is the recommended package manager for Squeeze.
12:08<gdb>arinov_: A lot of work has gone into aptitude since, however, so that recommendation may change. If it is, it will be reflected in the (as yet unwritten) Wheezy release notes.
12:09<arinov_>i heard aptitude can resolve dependencies better
12:09<gdb>arinov_: Previous to squeeze, yes.
12:09<gdb>arinov_: In squeeze, no.
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12:09<gdb>THat's why the recommendation changed back to apt-get
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12:10<arinov_>hmm all software i installed here gone through aptitude - need i reinstall debian?
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12:10<gdb>arinov_: Not at all. There's nothing "wrong" with aptitude, it's just recommended that apt-get is better (at least for upgrading from lenny -> squeeze). both are fine for day to day package management
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12:11<gdb>This is in the release notes for squeeze.
12:11<jacklk>Hi, I can't connect to my network at install, and if I skip it then once Debian is installed, I am unable to connect to the network too. :(
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12:11<arinov_>i start from pure squeeze
12:11<jacklk>There is no settings for it, and I've searched for hours.
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12:13<arinov_>jacklk, what network adapter do you have?
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12:13<jacklk>arinov_: Atheros AR[Something]
12:13<arinov_>sounds like you dont have driver to it
12:14<jacklk>But drivers can't be installed on Linux really...?
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12:14<gdb>jacklk: You may need to try one of the unofficial install discs that has the firmware on it. If you can't do that, then download the linux-firmware-nonfree and get it onto the system with a USB stick.
12:14<arinov_>is there a wireless extension on your network adapter?
12:14<gdb>jacklk: This is assuming you need a non-free driver for that device.
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12:15<jacklk>arinov_: I don't know what are wireless extension is.
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12:15<gdb>firmware-linux-nonfree 0.28+squeeze1
12:15<arinov_>when i had rtl8192se i installed driver every time i reinstalled system before linux 3.0 has come
12:15<gdb>Huh, I'm surprised at that package name.
12:16<gdb>everythign else is linux-headers, linux-image, etc. I'm suprised it's not linux-firmware
12:16<gdb>heh
12:16<jacklk>gdp: But I don't understand why there are no network manager in Debian.
12:16<gdb>Network Manager is installed by default
12:16<gdb>That said, if you have no driver, then as far as the OS is concerned, there is no network card to manage.
12:16<jacklk>There really doesn't seem to be, unless I connect to my network at install.
12:16<arinov_>and i recommend to check /etc/network/interfaces after installation and reconfigure it to auto+dhcp mode for every card if you dont want deploy debian server
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12:17<gdb>arinov_: I'd not make that recomendation because network settings do not depend on system role. They depend totally on the setup of the network the system is connected to.
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12:18<arinov_>gdb, ok
12:18<musca>,info network-manager
12:18<judd>Package network-manager (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: network management framework daemon. Version: 0.8.1-6+squeeze1; Size: 880.2k; Installed: 3152k; Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/network-manager
12:18<gdb>arinov_: The only time network settings in Linux are determined by system role is if you're running a KVM server and require bridged networking. You can't do that with Network Manager (not sure if other hypervisors have the same limitation, but KVM certainly does).
12:18<jacklk>I guess I can't really use Debian then?
12:18<gdb>To be clear, by "network settings" I mean "static vs. dynamic IP address".
12:19<gdb>jacklk: Why can't you?
12:19<jacklk>Well, I can't use the offical iso, I can't connect to the internet because there a no drivers for it...
12:19<musca>!wpa
12:19<dpkg>wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time, support is available via unofficial <kmuto> images; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant
12:19<arinov_>if i can - everybody can
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12:21<arinov_>when i installed my copy of squeeze it was with wireless connection and after installation configuration was saved in /etc/network/interfaces
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12:22<gdb>jacklk: The drivers are likely in the firmware-linux-nonfree package which you can install by hand off USB. It's also on the "unofficial" image which is nothing more than teh official debian install + the non-free firmware.
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12:23<jacklk>okay
12:23<gdb>jacklk: This is one of those cases where I get the dedication to the DSFG and removing non-free software, but for the kernel specifically, I think it's a pretty dumb idea. I understand it's a compromise, but my belief is "if Linus ships it, and we use 'Linux' then it should be in there." But hey, the GR said no to that idea. ;-)
12:23<arinov_>we should check if driver already present in default installation configuration
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12:23<jacklk>thanks for your help
12:23<jacklk>I'll try out what you said
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12:23<gdb>I'm assuming you can tell how I feel about the GFDL, too. ;-)
12:23<gdb>jacklk: Yeah, try to get that package onto a USB stick and install it with dpkg.
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12:23<gdb>Let me get a link to it to make it easier fo ryou
12:23<gdb>are you using squeeze?
12:24<gdb>and what arch?
12:24<gdb>amd64? i386?
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12:25<gdb>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfree -- not a direct link to the file, but that's the package page for it
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12:26<gdb>Hrm
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12:26<gdb>I don't see Atheros listed there
12:26<gdb>You may need to use ndiswrapper and a WIndows driver
12:26<gdb>I don't have experence with wifi on Linux
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12:27<arinov_>it must be there
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12:27<arinov_>i have 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
12:27<arinov_>works without nonfree firmware
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12:28<arinov_>jacklk, what kind of card do you use?
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12:29<pparadis>arinov_: have you checked this out yet? http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
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12:29<pparadis>AR9285 appears to be supported on that page.
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12:30<arinov_>pparadis, for me it was not necessary
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12:31<musca>!ath5k
12:31<dpkg>ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver supporting PCI/PCI-E 802.11a/bg wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For 802.11n PCI/PCI-E device support, ask me about <ath9k>.
12:31<musca>!ath9k
12:31<dpkg>ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver supporting PCI/PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>.
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12:31<pparadis>i think i was late to the party :)
12:32<arinov_>pparadis, he has unsupported card?
12:32<musca>the matter is the debian-installer not supporting wpa
12:33<pparadis>musca: oh, okay. is it possible to temporarily revert the wifi to unauthenticated during the install, or plug a CAT5 cable in just for that?
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12:33<musca>i'd prefer cable then
12:33<pparadis>that's what i usually wind up doing with laptop installs.
12:33<pparadis>then i configure the wireless later.
12:33<arinov_>or try to have debian installation dvd and external drive
12:34<arinov_>mass of variants
12:34<arinov_>usb installation from debian dvd iso image
12:35<F`ckJustinBieber>All niggers are criminals and should be dead
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12:45<arinov>my iceweasel crashed 3-5 times by hour, how to diagnose cause?
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12:46<arinov>per hour
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12:51<perlwizard>gdb
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12:55<vicmmuran>hola
12:56<vicmmuran>hey there
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12:57<snatale>*h
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13:07<g-483>Et c'est là que l'on prend conscience d'internet...
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13:08<ajed>wow my French really does suck
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13:19<vicmmuran>someone have multiseat experience
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13:23<AgentC>vicmmuran: what it is ?
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13:24<retrospectacus>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Pointer_X but I have none experience with it
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13:25<vicmmuran>ints an one cpu working whit two or more monitors, keyboard an mice for an the same nomber of users
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13:31<vicmmuran>thnks rotrospectacus i know the reference but its exactly what im looking for
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13:32<vicmmuran>its not exactly what im looking for sorry :P
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13:57<takis>i have problem in Wheezy with vlc.... Who can help me??
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13:57<Pitxyoki>Probably a lot of people.
13:57<Pitxyoki>But probably you've just wasted one opportunity to get attention from some of them by asking to ask.
13:58<takis>well i try to install vlc and i take this message :
13:58<takis>apt-get install vlc
13:58<takis>Reading package lists... Done
13:58<takis>Building dependency tree
13:58<takis>Reading state information... Done
13:58<takis>Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
13:58<takis>requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
13:58<takis>distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
13:58<takis>or been moved out of Incoming.
13:58<takis>The following information may help to resolve the situation:
13:58<takis>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:58<takis> vlc : Depends: vlc-nox (= 1:2.0.1-0.6) but 2.0.1-4+b2 is to be installed
13:58<takis> Recommends: vlc-plugin-notify (= 1:2.0.1-0.6) but it is not going to be installed
13:58<takis> Recommends: vlc-plugin-pulse (= 1:2.0.1-0.6) but it is not going to be installed
13:58<takis>E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
13:58<pparadis>!paste
13:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
13:59<Pitxyoki>takis, have you done apt-get update before that?
13:59<takis>yes
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14:00<jackyf>takis: did you try 'aptitude install vlc'?
14:00<takis>and if i try aptitude install vlc then need yo remove 122 packages
14:00<Pitxyoki>Do you have mixed stable/testing/unstable repositories?
14:00<takis>like dolphin
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14:00<takis>i have only testing repos from debian list generator
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14:01<Pitxyoki>Can you please post the output of grep -v ^# /etc/apt/sources.list on paste.debian.net, please?
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14:01<jackyf>takis: what does 'apt-cache policy vlc vlc-plugin-notify vlc-plugin-pulse' output?
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14:02<takis>http://paste.debian.net/169455/
14:03<Pitxyoki>I'd add an "us" repository there.
14:03<towo`>i would remove the multimedia-repo
14:03<babilen>takis: You have DMM (Debian multimedia) enables. This is known to break random pieces. Please remove *all* software installed from dmm (/msg dpkg dmm list) and remove dmm from your sources.list. You should then be able to install VLC.
14:03<Pitxyoki>There's many times when the local repositories (like that one from Greece you have there) get out-of-date from the main ones.
14:04<Pitxyoki>Also, remove the debian-multimedia one, too.
14:04<Pitxyoki>Like towo` and babilen said.
14:04<babilen>takis: The first line also contains a syntax error (should be "deb" not "eb") -- Please also note that testing/unstable specific support is found in #debian-next
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14:04<Pitxyoki>What I usually have is a local repository and afterwards an us one, so that I'm always up-to-date.
14:05<takis>http://paste.debian.net/169456/
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14:05<takis>is deb not eb
14:05<babilen>takis: Could you paste the output of: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'
14:06<jackyf>takis: ack, that confirms what babilen said above.
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14:07<takis>http://paste.debian.net/169458/
14:08<Pitxyoki>Purge all of that! :P
14:08<Pitxyoki>Or do you really need dmm for a specific purpose?
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14:09<takis>dmm???
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14:09<babilen>takis: You can remove those (or rather: You *should* remove those with "aptitude purge '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'"), remove dmm from your sources.list afterwards and everything should work again. You probably miss a few codecs after doing that (e.g. libdvdcss2 (which can be installed directly from videolan btw))
14:09<takis>i use this pc for home multimedia use
14:09<Pitxyoki>Debian Multimedia.
14:09<Pitxyoki>I learned that acronym 5 minutes ago.
14:09<Pitxyoki>:P
14:10<takis>ok
14:10<takis>i will try it now
14:10<babilen>takis: DMM is known to be pesky and breaks standard Debian packages. It is therefore not recommended to use it and I won't support it.
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14:12<ZaRiuS>Hi
14:12<retrospectacus>hello
14:12<babilen>takis: Regarding codecs: I would recommend to install libdvdcss2 directly from videolan (i.e. http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/libdvdcss/1.2.10/deb/)
14:13<takis>thx !!! i installed vlc :)
14:13<babilen>takis: You are welcome. Have fun and do not add third-party repositories (or at least don't expect that this won't break things)
14:14<takis>i used multimedia repos from a web page tutorial. Said need to play multimedia
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14:16<babilen>takis: Well, there is a lot of wrong information on the internet.
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14:17<ZaRiuS>How can i remove a own kernel package? have any problem and don't work the nvidia module
14:18<babilen>ZaRiuS: Did I understand you correctly in that you want to remove "your" nvidia kernel module? If so: How did you install it?
14:18<ZaRiuS>I want remove my kernel image, for it don't work
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14:19<ZaRiuS>And is the first on grub list
14:19<babilen>ZaRiuS: Which kernel is that? Could you paste the output of "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image'" to http://paste.debian.net and give me the URL please?
14:20<babilen>ZaRiuS: And how is that related to NVIDIA? What exactly doesn't work? What happens when you boot that kernel image? How was that kernel installed?
14:20<ZaRiuS>Just don't start gdm3
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14:20<ZaRiuS>linux-image-3.2.16-zarius - Linux kernel binary image for version 3.2
14:21<ZaRiuS>this one fails
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14:21<babilen>ZaRiuS: That is not a Debian kernel -- How did you install it? Which version of Debian do you use?
14:21<ZaRiuS>sid and following a manual, make it, compile it, and it now is failing, sure i make a mistake on menuconfig
14:22<babilen>Why did you compile your own kernel? Regardless of that: You should be able to boot into a *different* kernel (namely the standard Debian kernel) which allows you to remove/purge linux-image-3.2.16-zarius
14:23<ZaRiuS>For boot faster
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14:23<ZaRiuS>like i make on other distros... arch or gentoo
14:23<babilen>How often do you boot?
14:23<ZaRiuS>much, its a laptop
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14:25<ZaRiuS>sorry i have to leave, see you tomorrow, thanks for all babi
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14:25<babilen>Well, apparently you made a mistake. I would recommend to use the standard Debian kernel. If you insist on tweaking your boot performance take a look at "apt-cache search readahead" and http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html and http://static.debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.kernel-compilation.html
14:25<babilen>*sigh*
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14:28<takis__>ι ςαντ το
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14:29<takis__>i want to create a debian lxde remaster to play in various pcs. from pentium 3 to quad core and from s3 savage to geforce.
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14:30<takis__>where can i found guide??
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14:38<ivancv>hi all
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14:39<heikkila>hey
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14:40<musca>yo heikkila
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14:41<heikkila>yo
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14:45<adam_>there is some way to 'native' connect from debian wheezy xfce to same debian wheezy xfce system? something like VNC but native so better quality and faster because will not send jpg
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14:52<lduros>what's the best reference to make deb package
14:52<lduros>in depth reference :-)
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14:55<dizzylizzy>oh wow!!!
14:55<dizzylizzy>the bug that took ten years to close!!
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14:56<rhineshell>I have problem unencrypt my hd (ssd). is this the right channel?
14:57<pparadis>are you running debian? :)
14:57<rhineshell>sure :)
14:57<rhineshell>but its sid
14:57<rhineshell>not stable
14:57<pparadis>someone here might be able to help or point you in the right direction
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14:59<rhineshell>sorry did not find a channel namend "sid" || "unstabale"
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15:02<rhineshell>nor debian-boot feel themself to be responsible
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15:04<rhineshell>since six weeks I have no prompt to write my passphrase into, I cannot unencrypt my boot-disk
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15:04<rhineshell>this happens just with the 3.2.0 kernel, there is no problem with 2.6.38
15:04<jackyf>rhineshell: you may want #debian-next
15:05<rhineshell>jackyf: they point me that debian-next is just for testing
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15:05<pparadis>maybe this has something to do with it? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662768
15:06<pparadis>rhineshell: have you tried filing any bug reports regarding LUKS/cryptsetup?
15:06<jackyf>rhineshell: "they"? who?
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15:07<pparadis>(i'm not saying it's necessarily a bug in cryptsetup, just thinking about likely places to poke around)
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15:09<rhineshell>jackyf: some user from debian-next. few weeks ago
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15:10<jackyf>hm, ok.
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15:11<ivancv_>Hi
15:11<ivancv_>can anyone help me?
15:12<retrospectacus>don't know yet.
15:12<rhineshell>I would like to know whats going on, to make a proper bug-report
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15:12<pparadis>!ask
15:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:12<ivancv_>I've generated my gpg key
15:12<rhineshell>there a several components which are 'new' I use a LVM with btrfs an well ... encrypted
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15:13<ivancv_>Can anyone help me to test my gpg keys?
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15:14<rhineshell>I mean I use the same cryptsetup with my two kernels
15:15<pparadis>rhineshell: this may be one for the mailing lists. have you looked for anything in dmesg related to this?
15:15<avtobiff>rhineshell, better to formulate everything into a bug report and the bug can be triaged and assigned to the correct package. also people can ask you for more information and ask you to test certain things. :)
15:15<pparadis>indeed
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15:18<Guest594>ok, after a sudden loss of power, many of my files are missing....in one case, if I do ls -l the directory shows up, but when i try to cd to that directory it says "Input/Output error"
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15:19<ivancv_>I would like to help on debian translations to spain
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15:20<rhineshell>avtobiff: right, will do :)
15:20<Guest594>is there any way to get them back?
15:20<dizzylizzy>ivancv_: I love gpg!
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15:20<ThaJaCkal>Need some help here.. Debian 6.0.5. I have a raid6 setup (mdadm), and cannot create partitions bigger than 2.2TB on my 8TB Raidset. Any ideas?
15:21<avtobiff>Guest594, maybe disk failure
15:21<avtobiff>Guest594, try remounting readonly and run fsck
15:21<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/fdisk-unable-to-create-partition-greater-2tb.html ?
15:21<ThaJaCkal>Just created the Raidset btw.. no error messages while beeing created. No data on it.
15:22<ThaJaCkal>Alternatives for Fdisk?`tried Gparted.
15:22<Guest594>ThaJaCkal, cfdisk?
15:22<scientes>gparted/parted
15:22<scientes>thats your best bet
15:22<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: parted will do it.
15:23<scientes>also udisks/palimpsest
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15:23<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: it's discussed in that link i pasted above.
15:23<avtobiff>doesn't the article above state that you need a GUID Partition Table (GPT) ?
15:23<scientes>remember: if you use a GUID partition add a 2MB grub partition (gparted can do this)
15:23<scientes>very very important
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15:24<avtobiff>otherwise you get a no boot situation :D
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15:24<pparadis>avtobiff:
15:24<pparadis>root@oak:~# grep CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION /boot/config-2.6.32-5-amd64
15:24<pparadis>CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y
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15:24<ThaJaCkal>aha.. error message while trying Gparted btw: <pparadis> ThaJaCkal: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/fdisk-unable-to-create-partition-greater-2tb.html ?
15:24<ThaJaCkal>oooops :P
15:25<avtobiff>pparadis, yeah but i mean the disk has to have one
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15:26<pparadis>avtobiff: in this case, i'd say maybe he should give those instructions a shot and see if it works.
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15:26<pparadis>unless i'm massively misunderstanding what's going how here, always possible :)
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15:27<ThaJaCkal>!pastebin paste.debian.net/170031
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15:27<ThaJaCkal>says something about dos ...
15:28<ThaJaCkal>MSDOS is max 4,2Tb?
15:28<ThaJaCkal>so therefor i need GUID?
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15:29<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: did you try to commands listed on that page a shot?
15:29<pparadis>wow bad grammar :)
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15:29<pparadis>s/try to/try to give the/
15:29<ThaJaCkal>2 sek :)
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15:31<ycr>hello everybody, i need some help, my problem is with chromium, after downloading something is not opening the download i have to go to home/downloads/ by nautilus. im in ubuntu 12.04
15:31<pparadis>!ubuntu
15:31<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
15:32<ThaJaCkal>Gparted is just the graphical version of parted?
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15:32<lastwill>yep
15:32<pparadis>which i try to avoid, much preferring to use parted in a terminal.
15:32<ThaJaCkal>if i only had your skills :)
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15:33<pparadis>hah, no super skills required man :)
15:33<ThaJaCkal>was a terminal gui before.. but now i'm just lazy :P
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15:33<avtobiff>ThaJaCkal, just type parted then type help and hit enter :)
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15:34<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: did any useful output come of issuing those commands?
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15:34<lastwill>I rather prefer to avoid GUI when it's about managing partitions.
15:35<pparadis>lastwill: for sure, same here... i like seeing exactly what's going on.
15:35<lastwill>I have lost one drive with GUI so ...
15:35<takis>which browser is better srware iron - chrome - chromium???
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15:36<avtobiff>takis, chrome is not free software, chromius is.
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15:37<takis>neither srware iron is free but is faster than the others
15:37-!-mike__ [~mike@dsl-217-155-233-6.zen.co.uk] has joined #debian
15:37<takis>and use less memory
15:38<lastwill>faster for what?
15:38<lastwill>buggy script?
15:38<lastwill>:-D
15:38<avtobiff>takis, srware iron seems to be free software
15:38<pparadis>takis: i just use firefox.
15:38<takis>faster to open web pages
15:38<avtobiff>you can download sourcecode (for coder)
15:38<avtobiff>:)
15:38<ThaJaCkal>what is the fast command for parted to just make a partition to take all available disk space? anyone?
15:38<pparadis>i don't spend a lot of time worrying about < 1s differences in my web browsing speed :)
15:39<lastwill>You mean "pure" HTML4?
15:39<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: if you don't specify and end, it will use all available space.
15:39<pparadis>s/and end/an end/
15:39<ThaJaCkal>same as fdisk :)
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15:39<takis>i want to create a remaster with Debian testing LXDE to use in various pcs, like pentium 3 , quad core
15:40<takis>and need a fast web browser
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15:40<mike>hi
15:40<ThaJaCkal>it insists on End? :P
15:40<pparadis>takis: i'd recommend doing benchmarks for yourself and picking what you like.
15:40<mike>im wondering if anyone can help me with an install issue im having
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15:40<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: huh, hang on a sec
15:41<Guest597>any takers?
15:41<avtobiff>!ask
15:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:42<Guest597>ok
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15:42<Guest597>I'm having problems with the amd64 netinstall
15:42<blast007>takis: I use Chromium on a 1.8GHz P4 as a kiosk system in a library
15:42<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: i thought it would let you specify [blank] or 100% but i guess i misrememberd that. anyhow --> http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_node/parted_31.html
15:42<Guest597>my mouse and keyboard isn't working and I cannot install debian squeeze
15:42<blast007>takis: can't recall how much RAM is in there.. maybe 512MB
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15:43<pparadis>Guest597: what sort of machine are you installing on?
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15:44<Guest597>ehm, a pc, custom built by me mostly would you like a spec
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15:44<ThaJaCkal>That wasnt very helpfull, but i'll just stick to 8TB :)
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15:45<takis>i will run the distro on various pcs like pentium 3 with 256 ram to quad core with 8gb ram
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15:45<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: did you try just using the "end" cylinder number and the end from the print output?
15:45<rainfyre> Guest597 if you give specific answers it'll help people give you specific help
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15:45<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: but you did get an 8 TB partition created?
15:46<Guest597>ok, I have a custome built pc with the following spec, sabertoothx58, i7 920, geforce 460 se, 1tb hdd
15:46<Guest597>6gb ram also
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15:46<pparadis>since the mouse and keyboard don't work, what kind of mouse and keyboard do you have?
15:47<ThaJaCkal>There is not specified any end sector in print :P.. Just gives me Model, Disk /dev/md127: 8.0TB, Sector size and partition table: gpt
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15:47<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: ah gotcha :)
15:48<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: but anyhow, you do have a nice big partition now, right? :)
15:48<ThaJaCkal>So i guess i just need to try 8TB?
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15:48<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: seems reasonable
15:49<ThaJaCkal>yup.. now for the mk2fs part i presume :P
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15:50<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: from that first linked page, it appears using "mkpart primary 0 0" would use all disk space.
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15:50<ThaJaCkal>it just created a partition of 0bytesd
15:50<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: did you do "unit TB" first?
15:51<ThaJaCkal>I had the same thought :P
15:51<ThaJaCkal>yup
15:51<pparadis>well, it was worth a shot :)
15:51<youlysses>What's the package name for menumaker in debian? It seems to only be in use with *box based WMs.
15:51<ThaJaCkal>So that would be 0TB i would presume?
15:51<pparadis>haha yeah
15:51<Guest597>the keyboard is the logitech Y-BL49A
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15:51<Guest597>the mouse is a microsoft one, although i can't find the exact model, its a simple mouse
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15:52<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: i'm suppoing the other example command (specifying 3.00TB in that page) is the one that worked ;)
15:52<Guest597>they're all usb
15:52<blast007>Guest597: dunno if it matters, but are they keyboard/mouse plugged into a USB 3.0 port or USB 2.0 port?
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15:52<blast007>pparadis / ThaJaCkal: perhaps cfdisk would be easier?
15:52<Guest597>usb 2.0
15:52<pparadis>Guest597: do you have voltage to the USB ports you're using?
15:52<ThaJaCkal>q
15:52<Guest597>ehm i don't know what you mean?
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15:53<pparadis>blast007: maybe, i don't know if it supports > 2 TB partitions or not though, haven't looked at the man page for it.
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15:53<Guest597>could you explain parradis
15:53<blast007>worth a try though. I think that one defaults to using all the available space when creating a partition.
15:53<pparadis>Guest597: i mean is there electricity flowing through the USB ports you're using. i ask this because it's a custom built PC, and i've seen cases where USB ports don't work because things are not connected properly.
15:53<ThaJaCkal>lol... Just says: Warning!! Unsupported GPT (GUID Partition Table) Detected. Use GNU Parted.
15:54<blast007>hehehe
15:54<pparadis>lol
15:54<Guest597>i'm using the usb ports right now... with the mouse and keyboard, they work find on win7 x64
15:54<pparadis>i wonder if the USB controller is some unrecognized model.
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15:54<Guest597>it's plugged into the back right into my motherboard
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15:55<Guest597>the weird thing is that it works until i select the install type and then nothing
15:55<ThaJaCkal>wel.. Gparted says i only missed 2mb in front and after the partition :P Good enough i would belive :P
15:55<blast007>Guest597: there may be multiple USB controllers on the board as well, so maybe try other ports while in linux and see if they're detected properly.
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15:56<Guest597>may I ask why the mouse and keyboard work at the first menu (were you select the installation type) and then stop?
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15:56<ka0s>hi there
15:56<pparadis>that sounds completely different than what i thought from the start.
15:57<ThaJaCkal>I think the reason this happened is the last time i created a Raid, i did it all in GUI.. Disk manager or whatever.. now it refused to create my partition of some reason..
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15:59<ka0s>does anyone use dwm
15:59<Guest597>may I ask why the mouse and keyboard work at the first menu (were you select the installation type) and then stop?
15:59<ka0s>maybe it doesn't detect it
16:00<Guest597>why does it work at the start though?
16:00<ka0s>how did you install it
16:00<Guest597>i have not
16:00<ka0s>it shd work afterwards
16:00<Guest597>I try to boot from dvd with the netinstall
16:00<ka0s>then install it
16:00<ka0s>lol
16:01<lastwill>Guest597: Are they wireless?
16:01<avtobiff>Guest597, can you give noapic nolapic as boot options?
16:01<Guest597>nope usb wired
16:01<Guest597>i don't know what "naopic polapit" means
16:02<pparadis>my guess would be it's getting wrapped around the axles during usb host controller and device detection after the splash menu.
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16:03<Guest597>is there a solution?
16:03<pparadis>Guest597: if there are options in your BIOS for USB compatibility modes (say forcing 2.0) you might want to try that.
16:03<Guest597>ok i'll take a look
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16:04<Guest597>which compatability mode specifically would you recommend
16:04<ka0s>could anyone help me along dwm
16:04<pparadis>Guest597: whichever one works :) (honestly, i'd just try different options if they're there)
16:04<lastwill>Do you have a printer or a scanner connected on the same hub?
16:04<Guest597>nope
16:04<avtobiff>ka0s, alt-a welcome <enter>
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16:05<Guest597>ok i'll go and try them then
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16:05<Guest597>brb
16:05<blast007>Guest597: you might have to do some research and see if anyone else has problems with running linux on that board/chipset
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16:05<lastwill>I could be better to try with only the keyboard plugged.
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16:05<pparadis>lastwill: nod, i was just thinking that, although maybe he wants to do a graphical install.
16:05<pparadis>some folks like that sort of thing.
16:05<blast007>his motherboard does have a single PS2 port, so I wonder if he has an old keyboard laying around
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16:06*pparadis loves his model M keyboards.
16:06<pparadis>*click*
16:06<ka0s>pparadis
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16:07<lastwill>Indeed but if the keyboard has a lot of led, maybe it drains too much current on the usb hub.
16:07<pparadis>ka0s: i don't use dwm
16:07<ka0s>aw
16:07<ka0s>really need help with it
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16:08<pparadis>i presume you're running on debian. you haven't really told us anything about what kind of problem you're dealing with yet.
16:08<pparadis>ka0s: ^
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16:08<ka0s>well
16:08<ka0s>installed the wm yesterday
16:09<ka0s>the keyboard that im using at the momment has no shift since it's fuckd up
16:09<ka0s>so, while opening apps
16:09<ka0s>like browser, terminal
16:09<ka0s>it automatically adjusts itself, so it splits
16:09<ka0s>when i open xchat, for example that doesn't happen
16:09<ka0s>even more, when i edited the config.h file
16:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 539] by debhelper
16:10<ka0s>i added the line .cmd
16:10<ka0s>to execute a programme
16:10<ka0s>and it gives an error
16:10<ka0s>but i looked over the net and many people use the same thing i did and it worked
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16:11<pparadis>ka0s: there appears to be an IRC channel for your window manager: #suckless
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16:11<pparadis>from http://dwm.suckless.org/
16:11<ka0s>will take a look at it
16:11<pparadis>nod
16:11<ka0s>thx
16:11<pparadis>np!
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16:13<ivancv_>i've installed debian on my macbook pro
16:13<ivancv_>but the performance is very bad
16:13<ivancv_>the uses a lot of battery
16:13<ivancv_>anyone has a macbook?
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16:14<mike597>hi
16:15<mike597>oh the name changed, i was just on here as guest597
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16:15<pparadis>ivancv_: have you poked around on this page? http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/
16:15<mike597>the bios didn't really have the options you suggested
16:15<blast007>mike597: do you have any PS2 keyboards laying around?
16:15<mike597>it just had the disable enable options for legacy support, usb 2.0 etc
16:15<mike597>i'm afraid not
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16:16<mike597>I have got a few things to add th
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16:16<pparadis>mike597: did toggling any of those options have any effect?
16:16<blast007>mike597: was legacy support enabled?
16:16<mike597>nope
16:16<mike597>yes
16:17<mike597>i tried changing the speed of usb 2.0 from hi to full no effect and the other ones would just enable/disable usb .20/3.0 support
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16:17<pparadis>mike597: maybe trying what lastwill suggested above and seeing what happens when you just have the keyboard plugged in (no mouse) might yield another data point.
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16:19<mike597>I just tried using the boot cd in win7 and tried installing the debian, and i got the following message unable to find system partition, assuming it is the same as the boot partition (c)
16:19<mike597>ok, but before I do are there any other suggestions
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16:20<pparadis>i don't understand what you last said.
16:20<mike597>i booted up win7
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16:20<mike597>and i ran the set up from the dvd i burned with the netinstall
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16:21<blast007>mike597: have you tried the keyboard/mouse on the USB 3.0 ports in Linux?
16:21<mike597>and got the message "unable to find system partition, assuming it is the same as the boot partition (c)"
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16:21<mike597>i will try that in a sec
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16:22<blast007>mike597: the USB 3.0 ports use a NEC controller, while the USB 2.0 ports use the Intel ICH10R chipset.
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16:23<mike597>oh okk, im going to try, it after i get an answer on the last message, I will try a few things as I only have this pc so would like as many suggestions as possible
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16:23<pparadis>mike597: no answer on the last message, i'd certainly try swapping the mouse and keyboard to other ports and see what happens.
16:24<blast007>mike597: ASUS's tech support might have some tips for you as well
16:24<mike597>ok then brb many thanks!
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16:31<ThaJaCkal>What would be the safest way to stop my server booting X? Just going hi-res terminal instead?
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16:32<ThaJaCkal>but still be able to "startx"
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16:33<pparadis>ThaJaCkal: this has some info --> http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-disable-x-or-gui-on-boot-in-debian.html
16:33*pparadis drives to the shop, bbiab \o
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16:35<ThaJaCkal>all of that is really necissary? (soz about the english :P)
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16:36<anakin>Can anyone help me? I am trying to install debian as a dual booting with windows 7 but since I am new to Linux I do not know what to do....I've come up to the partition par on the installation and it doesnt see the free memory I have set aside for it ...I tried leaving it raw name it D: and Fat32 and others but it staler CD does not sees it no matter what I name the partition help please....
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16:37<anakin>I ran a cd check to make sure my debian cd is good and it is too
16:38<anakin>and did so with window 7 and the hard drive is fine
16:38<anakin>its healthy
16:39<lastwill>Does the installer see your primary partition (with Windows 7)?
16:39<anakin>yes
16:40<lastwill>So it should be able to see your extended partition with free space.
16:40<anakin>and it sees the free partition too but when i click next it tell me i cant use it even when its free even raw
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16:41<lastwill>I'm really sure if you can install Debian on FAT32.
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16:41<lastwill>It should be better to use EXT.
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16:42<anakin>i think its windows 7 having 4 partitions already hp recovery hp tool hp service and c windows 7
16:42<lastwill>s/I'm/I'm not/
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16:42<anakin>i tried naming my partition everything
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16:42<anakin>nothing works
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16:43<anakin>i even left it raw and just named it D
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16:43<lastwill>Delete the FAT32 partition and build an EXT2/3/4 partition instead for Debian.
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16:44<lastwill>FAT32 is pretty old and limited.
16:44<anakin>I been doing it manual install because i want to have 4 partitions for windows since i was told its better to do it like that with the boot loader in its own partition
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16:45<anakin>so i want to have the same for debian
16:46<lastwill>bootloader in it's own partition isn't necessary neither the best solution.
16:46<anakin>so should i go with the debian auto partition and let it do it instead of manual
16:47<lastwill>Since the best bootloader for an OS is it's own bootloader.
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16:48<anakin>I been with linux just 6 months begun with ubuntu moved to mint but i been reading about debian and love hos solid it is
16:49<anakin>how*
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16:49<mike597>hi
16:50<mike597>using the usb 3.0 ports worked :)
16:50<lastwill>multiboot isn't an exact science furthermore with privative system
16:50<lastwill>Grub should be able to boot the Windows bootloader but it may fails too.
16:50<anakin>so should I stall debian as the primary OS and windows on virtualbox?
16:51<mike597>although I now have a new problem, during the instalation it doesn't detect the disk drive?
16:51<anakin>me too mike
16:51<anakin>same as you mike
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16:51<anakin>same issue
16:51<lastwill>the best solution is to split systems on 2 different drive and let the BIOS choosing the system to boot.
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16:52<lastwill>But sometimes the ressources limit the possibiities.
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16:52<mike597>anybody have a solution to the disk drive not being detected during netinstall?
16:53<lastwill>You should let Debian write the MBR to boot Debian & Windows 7.
16:53<mike597>me?
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16:53<anakin>how so i do that lastwill
16:53<lastwill>sorry I said to anakin.
16:53<mike597>np
16:54<mike597>:s first I couldn't use the installer and now it doesn't work
16:54<lastwill>anakin: Use the default install procedure.
16:55<anakin>and it lso tells me I am missing rtl_ni4rt188168d-2.fw
16:55<anakin>firmware
16:55<lastwill>for which hardware?
16:55<anakin>hp wireless
16:56<anakin>but my mint detected it
16:56<anakin>and uses it
16:56<lastwill>it's normal since the DFSG removed non-free firmware from the kernel.
16:56<anakin>oh i see
16:56*sekt0r anakin: it means that the driver for your wireless is not free
16:56<anakin>thanks lastwill
16:56<mike597>may I ask why is it when I use the installer loader set up on windows 7, do I get the error " unable to find "system partition", assuming it is the same as "boot partition" (C)"
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16:57<anakin>yes i got it sekt0r thank you
16:58<anakin>that makes sense now so should i just go with mint debian since I'm new and all? I really wanted to try debian tho :(
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16:59<lastwill>anakin: You can install Debian, next take the non-free firmware from the non-free repository.
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17:00<mike597>so can anybody help me with my problem please?
17:00<anakin>ok lastwill i will not give up on debian i will try again until i get it in there :)
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17:00<anakin>well off i go to try again wish me luck :) thank you all you all been very helpful
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17:01<lastwill>mike597: you should define a root partition I assume.
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17:01<mike597>how would I do that?
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17:01<lastwill>usually it's where we have /
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17:02<mike597>you see the problem i'm having this; installer loader set up on windows 7, do I get the error " unable to find "system partition", assuming it is the same as "boot partition" (C)"
17:02<lastwill>have you set you partition as a root partition?
17:02<lastwill>s/you/your/
17:02<mike597>then loader set up finishes and then i reboot during the installation the disk drive is not detected
17:03<mike597>i will attempt to do that with my win7, although ill have to look it up on google
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17:03<tjader>I'm hitting a very odd problem: after my machine stays up for a while I can no longer connect to some destinations. Google domains are the first ones I notice. A reboot solves the problem
17:03<lastwill>have you set the boot flag to your partition where debian is installed?
17:03<mike597>I haven't got debian installed yet
17:04<tjader>For example, if I try to wget google.com, it timeouts a bunch of times and after some minutes finally manages to download it
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17:04<lastwill>well in the default procedure the installer ask for a partition where to install debian with some options
17:04<mike597>it doesn't come to that
17:04<tjader>Anyone has any idea how I should proceed to find the root of the problem?
17:04<mike597>because it fails to detect an disk drives
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17:05<mike597>so it doesn't show any partitions or anything
17:05<sekt0r>ls
17:05<lastwill>it doesn't detect any hardware?
17:05<mike597>no no, it doesn't detect any disk drives
17:05<mike597>when it gets to the stage disk drive detection it doesn't find any
17:06<mike597>or what ever the stage is called
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17:06<lastwill>is it still detected by the BIOS?
17:06<mike597>yeah and Im using it now booted in windows
17:06<lastwill>does it use the ACPI mode?
17:06<mike597>i don't know
17:07<mike597>why would that be an issue?
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17:07<lastwill>maybe a compatibility issue or a bad implementation buy the motherboard manufacturer.
17:07<mike597>hmm sabertooth x58
17:07<lastwill>s/buy/by
17:08<mike597>the hdd model is ST31000524AS
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17:08<mike597>seagate i believe
17:08<lastwill>Indeed
17:08<lastwill>Try to set the drive in "IDE" mode
17:08<mike597>via the bios?
17:08<lastwill>yep
17:09<mike597>can i ask you first tho
17:09<mike597>you know the netinstall i burned to the dvd
17:09<mike597>i ran teh setup and got that error
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17:09<sekt0r>ls
17:09<lastwill>so?
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17:10<mike597>"unable to find system partition, assuming it is the same as the partition (c)"
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17:10<mike597>that part of the current issue?
17:10<lastwill>hum...
17:11<lastwill>does your dvd really boot?
17:11<tjader>unloading and reloading the b43 module didn't help
17:11<mike597>i ran teh setup while in windows by the way
17:11<lastwill>ok
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17:11<lastwill>I think the dvd doesn't boot at all
17:11<lastwill>:-D
17:12<mike597>haha whaaattt
17:12<lastwill>maybe you should try to boot it using the BIOS
17:12<lastwill>or with a function key
17:12<lastwill>instead of Windows
17:12<mike597>booting isn't the issue though? the install fails to detect the disk drive
17:13<mike597>sure i can use the boot from dvd
17:13<mike597>brb
17:13<lastwill>You said you run the installer from Windows and it's reboot with no bootable device
17:13<mike597>yeah but the dvd was in the drive
17:13<mike597>and i loaded components from dvd during instlation
17:14<mike597>the reason i mentioned it is because of the error at the start
17:14<mike597>which is to do with the detection of the hdd
17:14<lastwill>so the dvd boot with the error message after loading a while
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17:15<mike597>no no
17:15<mike597>the error message was while in windows
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17:15<mike597>from the "installer loader setup"
17:16<mike597>the one that installs grub etc
17:16<mike597>anyway after the error message it finished anyway which is weird
17:16<lastwill>you should try to run the installer from the BIOS instead of Windows
17:16<lastwill>it's more reliable
17:17<mike597>ok sure, i only tried this way, because i was having problems with the mouse and keyboard being detected
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17:17<mike597>i'll try that now, hover the instalation in windows seems to indicate a problem with the way my hdd is configured it says it can't detect it there?
17:17<mike597>however*
17:18<mike597>brb
17:18<lastwill>maybe the installer have to probe Windows to found your drive and that makes a compatibility issue.
17:18<mike597>oh
17:19<mike597>well should I uninstall it in windows and try with the bios boot on dvd?
17:19<lastwill>since the installer didn't install debian I know what you have to uninstall
17:20<lastwill>but yes the BIOS procedure is the best I know
17:20<mike597>ok ill try that now then thanks
17:20<lastwill>s/I/I don't/
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17:22<dizzylizzy>I'm not quite sure what to make of this
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17:24<dizzylizzy>debian-wheezy-DI-a1-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso and debian-wheezy-DI-a1-amd64-CD-1.iso have almost identical contents
17:25<dizzylizzy>jigdo lite had this to say after I told it to scan ~/mounted-xcfelxde/pool: Found 1114 of the 1117 files required by the template
17:25<anakin>ok i did the partition as ext4 /3/2 and debian installer said this on where it ask how to use the free space it said: show cylinder/head/sector information i push continue and then i get: ! the free space starts from 30033,32,15 and ends at 60788,14,25 i push continue and i am back to where i was to choose a partition to configure and it loops from there....unless i exit the installation
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17:26<lastwill>look at the bottom of the screen
17:27<lastwill>the next stage follows
17:27<lastwill>in fact the partition configuration stage offer many option
17:28<lastwill>new users can be lost since it's not really well scripted
17:28<anakin>it doesnt give any options its tell em cylinder/head/sector information that my only choice
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17:29<anakin>but when i select it it takes me back to where I chose a partition and the it starts all over again
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17:29<mike597>im back
17:29<lastwill>you should go back and choose the option to set the size without hardware specifications
17:29<mike597>the bios install gave the same results
17:30<anakin>oh i see ok i will go back and try again thanks lastwill
17:30<elFuerte>hi there , any help?
17:30<lastwill>usually the installer tells what's the default option to valid
17:30<mike597>still failed to detect any disks
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17:31<mike597>asked me to choose a driver for the disk?
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17:31<mike597>any more ideas lastwill?
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17:32<lastwill>did you create a ext partition instead of the fat32 one?
17:32<tsuhao>hi
17:32<tsuhao>anyone?
17:32<mike597>no ntfs
17:32<tsuhao>what is this for?
17:33<lastwill>ok
17:33<tsuhao>anyone play diablo 3?
17:33<lastwill>Have you tried to removed the NTFS partition?
17:33<mike597>i got the system reserver, the original one and the one I made for debian (using windows)
17:33<tjader>tsuhao: this channel is for debian discussion.
17:33<lastwill>s/removed/remove
17:34<mike597>what?
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17:35<mike597>any ideas as to why the install can't detect my disk
17:35<elFuerte>i have a problem with my web cam , anyone can help me please ?
17:35<mike597>just before partitioning stage
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17:35<lastwill>If I understand you created a NTFS partition on Windows for Debian right?
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17:35<mike597>yes i have 3 partitions
17:35<mike597>system reserve, the windows one and the one i made for debian
17:36<lastwill>I think I had once the same problem.
17:36<tjader>elFuerte: state your problem
17:36<elFuerte>ok
17:36<lastwill>I removed the NTFS partition with fdisk.
17:36<elFuerte>sorry about my english
17:36<tjader>How will we know whether we can help you if you don't say whats the problem?
17:37<lastwill>And I let the installer make a new one.
17:37<mike597>okk so I just delete the partition I made for debian?
17:37<tjader>elFuerte: what's your native language?
17:37<lastwill>You should try.
17:38<mike597>i'll use the win7 disk management app for this?
17:38<mike597>i mean it has the option to delete it, or should I usee that fdisk app?
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17:38<elFuerte>spanish , but in debian.es , no one
17:39<lastwill>mike597: use the program of your choice but remove the NTFS partition in order to let the Debian installer detect the free space to create an EXT filesystem
17:39<mike597>ok done, I'll try it now thanks
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17:40<retrospectacus>elFuerte: irc://irc.freenode.net/#debian-es
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17:47<mike597>im back
17:47<mike597>another fauilure
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17:47<lastwill>what gave the partition stage?
17:48<mike597>well it never detected the disk
17:48<mike597>and then asks me for the driver
17:48<lastwill>ok
17:48<mike597>to choose from a list or to continue with no disk
17:48<lastwill>have you tried to switch the drive mode in the BIOS?
17:48<mike597>which mode is preferable?
17:49<lastwill>IDE rather than ACPI
17:49<mike597>along side that are there any other settings I should try
17:49<mike597>ok then
17:49<lastwill>ACPI implementation isn't well done by motherboard manufacturer
17:49<mike597>just for the install?
17:49<lastwill>In theory it should improve the performance drive
17:50<mike597>ahh ok so it is better to use ide on any os
17:50<lastwill>But buggy BIOS gives more trouble than benefit
17:50<mike597>x58 buggy?
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17:51<lastwill>Buggy about ACPI implementation.
17:51<mike597>why is acpi the default then
17:52<lastwill>because manufacturers label their hardware for Windows
17:52<lastwill>with some internal benchmark
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17:58<mike597>back
17:58<quentusrex_>Generally is blocking a package that builds on i386 and amd64 from going into testing the expected if the package doesn't yet build on ia64, mipsel or sparc?
17:58<mike597>ehm, the drive was allready set to IDE not AHCI
17:58<lastwill>AHCI :-D
17:59<mike597>hehe ya you made a boo boo
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17:59<mike597>although there was an option for sata configuration, it was set to enhanced
17:59<mike597>no clue what that about
17:59<mike597>any more ideas
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18:00<quentusrex_>In particular I'm trying to find out why the package evolution-mapi isn't in testing yet, and this is the current status: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=evolution-mapi
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18:00<lastwill>You tried the netinstall right?
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18:01<mike597>yea boot straight from dvd
18:01<mike597>twice now and every time doesn't detect the disk drive
18:01<mike597>same result with the windows install
18:01<lastwill>it's weird.
18:01<mike597>very
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18:02<lastwill>in fact i never tried the netinstall
18:02<mike597>first it doesn't detect my usb 2.0 controllers and now my hdd
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18:03<mike597>well i think since the component is there it shouldnt make a difference?
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18:04<chealer>quentusrex_: it depends on whether the version currently in testing builds/built on problematic architectures
18:04<lastwill>I don't known if the installer is different for a different media image.
18:04<tjader>I'm hitting a very odd problem: after my machine stays up for a while I can no longer connect to some destinations. Google domains are the first ones I notice. A reboot solves the problem. Anyone has any hints on how to try to find the root of the problem?
18:04<lastwill>But it's very a bad luck for you.
18:05<mike597>:( i want debian installed properly
18:05<mike597>i sick of using virtual box
18:05<quentusrex_>chealer, would it be true that as soon as a package does build on an architecture that it won't be promoted into testing if any future version doesn't build on all architectures that have had at least one successful build?
18:05<lastwill>properly you should get the first DVD image
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18:06<lastwill>since you have a blank DVD to burn
18:06<mike597>what if it make no difference
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18:06<mike597>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528351
18:06<lastwill>It's better to nothing. :-D
18:07<mike597>simmilar to me
18:07<mike597>but can't make heads or tails of it
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18:08<chealer>quentusrex_: not quite. the only architectures considered are those for which the version in testing built. and then, some non-release architectures can be excluded from consideration
18:08<lastwill>you noticed it concerns the netinstall too.
18:08<chealer>quentusrex_: plus, we're only talking about automated migration, migration can be forced even if some architectures are lost
18:08<mike597>yea i noticed
18:09<mike597>which one should i use then
18:09<mike597>the full set
18:09<mike597>?
18:09<chealer>!tell mike597 about enter
18:09<lastwill>it you should be renammed the damnedinstall :-D
18:10<lastwill>nop
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18:10<lastwill>just the DVD-1 it contains the essential packages
18:10<lastwill>with the more installed packages
18:10<mike597>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/hard-drives-not-detected-during-debian-installation-620012/
18:11<mike597>this seems to provide some insight
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18:12<mike597> linux all-generic-ide irqpoll ?
18:13<tjader>I'm hitting a very odd problem: after my machine stays up for a while I can no longer connect to some destinations. Google domains are the first ones I notice. Anyone has a hint on how to try and find the root of the problem?
18:13<tjader>Rebooting every few days is annoying
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18:13<youlysses>Is there a way to get conky output into a panel? I don't need/want any mindow managment, just a way to display this information in a topbar. :-P
18:14<mike597>what do you think last will
18:14<tjader>It's not DNS, not iptables
18:14<mike597>should I try that command?
18:14<tjader>Going from wifi to wired didn't help
18:15<tjader>My cellphone is on the same wifi network and it works fine
18:16<lastwill>That's better than nothing. ;-)
18:16<tjader>But I have no idea where to look next :p
18:16<quentusrex_>chealer, I'm trying to understand what needs to be done to promote the evolution-mapi package into testing. which is only blocked by the ldb package: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/ldb.html
18:16<tjader>I thought it could be too many open connections, but lsof doesn't show anything out of the ordinary
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18:16<tjader>And I didn't find anything suspicious on syslog
18:17<quentusrex_>but as far as I can tell the only thing blocking the ldb package is that it doesn't build on some of the architectures.
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18:19<tjader>I have tried restarting every service that could have something to do with the networking as well
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18:20<chealer>quentusrex_: yes, presumably if ldb can be built on the 3 problematic arches, evolution-mapi will be good to migrate soon after
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18:24<quentusrex_>chealer, It seems tdb package has a failing test on those 3 architectures. Is there a way to test a patched package on the debian build servers? since I don't have access to ia64 nor the other two archs.
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18:26<tjader>I give up, gonna reboot.
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18:26<chealer>quentusrex_: a build could be tried on porter machines, but you'd need access. ask #debian-devel
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18:27<chealer>quentusrex_: sorry, there's also a serious bug on samba4 that seems to be preventing its migration (not showing on your page for some reason)
18:27<ompaul>tjader: is in this bad state at this time
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18:32<tjader>ompaul: what do you mean?
18:33<tjader>I can't connect to google.com right now, for example.
18:33<ompaul>tjader: good, don't reboot just yet
18:33<tjader>(I had aptitude running an update, so I postponed the reboot)
18:33<tjader>Thanks.
18:33<tjader>aptitude just finished its download, I saw your message just in time :D
18:34<tjader>te la cambio por mi hermana! Denunciar
18:34<tjader>Respuesta:
18:34<tjader>Sorry
18:34<tjader>mispasted that
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18:35<ompaul>tjader: http://paste.debian.net is where I would like you to paste the results of the following nslookup google.com
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18:36<tjader>http://paste.debian.net/170056/
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18:37<ompaul>tjader: so you run your own dns?
18:37<mike597>the netinst doesn't seem to be detecting the disk drive during stalation
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18:38<lastwill>is it the latest revision?
18:38<mike597>yes
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18:38<tjader>ompaul: yes.
18:38<ompaul>tjader: well let's say it isn't the dns
18:39<tjader>Yeah, it seems to be resolving just fine.
18:39<ompaul>what is between you and google - is there a caching server?
18:39<ompaul>web caching
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18:39<tjader>Not that I'm aware of.
18:39<tjader>My machine doesn't run one
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18:39<tjader>And my cellphone, which is connected to the same network, can connect to google.com just fine
18:39<ompaul>as you can identify the ip, and the answers are right, you should be able to get to it right now, please try right now
18:40<tjader>--2012-05-18 19:40:13-- http://google.com/
18:40<tjader>Resolving google.com... 74.125.229.64, 74.125.229.68, 74.125.229.65, ...
18:40<tjader>Connecting to google.com|74.125.229.64|:80...
18:40*ompaul wonders if you had a bind restart in the apt-get
18:40<ompaul>and you got a web browser that can touch it?
18:41<tjader>It wasn't the DNS.
18:41<tjader>It was resolving before I ran aptitude
18:41<tjader>and I tried restarting it anyway
18:41<tjader>failed: Connection timed out.
18:41<tjader>Connecting to google.com|74.125.229.68|:80... failed: Connection timed out.
18:41<tjader>Connecting to google.com|74.125.229.65|:80... failed: Connection timed out.
18:41<ompaul>have you fired a browser (a real one at it)
18:41<tjader>Yup.
18:41<ompaul>and the same thing?
18:41<tjader>Same things
18:42<tjader>Hangs for a while then gives up
18:42<tjader>Both chromium and iceweasel
18:42<tjader>Both of them timeout
18:42<ompaul>timed out ... traceroute pelase
18:42<ompaul>ps auwx would also be useful
18:42<tjader>looks like traceroute is blocked at the router
18:43<ompaul>whose?
18:43<tjader>I get only stars
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18:43<tjader>ping works
18:43<ompaul>they are both icmp so that's something stupid
18:44<tjader>Yeah
18:44<ompaul>now as I said whose router does traceroute fail at
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18:45<tjader>http://paste.debian.net/170057/ < ps auwx
18:45<tjader>traceroute fails on the first hop already
18:47<tjader>traceroute doesn't work to any address
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18:48<ompaul>tjader: you have two instances of fish running ;-)
18:48<tjader>So?
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18:49<ompaul>tjader: what's the tmux doing for mosh
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18:49*ompaul has no idea about that (not used it yet)
18:49<tjader>I'm connected to a server via mosh, running tmux on that server
18:49<tjader>fish is a shell
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18:51<ompaul>tjader: I'm wondering where your box looks up to get it's network searches accomplished
18:51<tjader>network searches?
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18:52<ompaul>it has to ask somewhere else where google.com is and it has to leave your box to do so
18:52<tjader>where google.com is it uses the local DNS server
18:52<tjader>and to leave the box it uses the default gateway, which is my router
18:53<ompaul>tjader: there is something wrong with the default gateway if it allows though icmp ping but not traceroute
18:53<ompaul>it should get to the box
18:53<tjader>I've seen routers blocking traceroute but not ping before.
18:53<ompaul>even with a few * hops
18:54<ompaul>windows I've seen block ping but that's a different story
18:54<ompaul>tjader: I get one line of * for my traceroute
18:54<ompaul>but I still see all other hops and get there in 11.8 mis
18:54<ompaul>ms
18:54<tjader>I get all stars, even for address I can connect to just fine.
18:55<ompaul>what make of router is it?
18:55<tjader>Multilaser
18:55<tjader>It's a brazilian brand
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18:57<ompaul>tjader: I'm confused by it. I'll ask around tomorrow am (about 12 hours from now I'll have some class of answer)
18:57<ompaul>tjader: it makes no sense.
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18:57<tjader>I also can't see a way for it to make any sense
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18:58<tjader>It usually happens after about 3 days of uptime
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18:58<SynrG>of router uptime or system uptime?
18:58<abrotman>link uptime?
18:58<tjader>system
18:59<tjader>I can reboot the router, or turn wifi off and on again and it doesn't matter
18:59<tjader>But rebooting the machine solves it
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18:59<SynrG>no signs of problems in syslog? disabled interrupts, for instance?
18:59<ompaul>tjader: what's the ping time to the router and to google?
18:59<tjader>I didn't see anything too suspicious
19:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 519] by debhelper
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19:00<SynrG>no other system on the network that may have been assigned the same ip#?
19:00<tjader>To google it's ~200ms
19:00<ompaul>ooch
19:00<ompaul>that's ugly as sin
19:00<tjader>SynrG: no
19:00<tjader>ompaul?
19:01<tjader>200ms is the regular latency form here
19:01<tjader>from
19:01<ompaul>200 ms is above the level that voip will be working at, google expects you to have 150 (that's their measure)
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19:01<tjader>Well, tell them to yell at Brazilian ISPs then
19:02<ompaul>tjader: www.groklaw.net can you get there?
19:02<SynrG>another system with the same ip# as your router?
19:02<tjader>Yes.
19:02<tjader>SynrG: no.
19:03<ompaul>tjader: ok, you may just be outside the functioning ability of that web page
19:03<ompaul>tjader: a web page that is often very slow
19:03<ompaul>http://www.archive.org
19:03-!-fabrianchi [~fabrianch@r186-52-183-57.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:03<ompaul>however I think in 10 years I've only seen it timeout once
19:03<tjader>archive.org works.
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19:04<ompaul>tjader: turn off chronium and use iceweasel
19:04<tjader>iceweasel gives the same results
19:04<ompaul>tjader: do this, www.funnycan.be
19:04<tjader>And so does wget
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19:05<ompaul>did that work?
19:05<tjader>That looks like it's gonna timeout.
19:05<ompaul>it's much further away from you
19:05<tjader>Aand it did.
19:05<ompaul>that's why I picked it
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19:06<tjader>That's not the problem.
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19:06<tjader>http://www.en.noclibya.com.ly/ is much worse and it loads
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19:07<tjader>And if it were my connection being too slow it wouldn't work on the phone and rebooting wouldn't solve it.
19:07<ompaul>tjader: please do traceroute to this 209.85.143.94
19:07<ompaul>tjader: what's the chance your phone could be using the phone network for a data grab?
19:08<tjader>traceroute is not working anywhere
19:08<tjader>and my phone doesn't even has any signal right now.
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19:09<ompaul>reboot the box please I'll hang on for a min or three
19:10<tjader>Okay...
19:10<tjader>brb
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19:11<ompaul>SynrG: the extra ip is a great idea if the problem is patchy every second minute but in this case it takes three days so it looks like something is ... close to full
19:11<ompaul>SynrG: df -h might point to some problems
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19:12<tjader>And back.
19:12<tjader>Everything works now.
19:12<ompaul>tjader: including traceroute?
19:12<tjader>Didn't test it
19:13<tjader>Traceroute still doesn't work.
19:13<ompaul>please do and also pastebin df -h
19:13<tjader>/dev/sda1 9,2G 5,8G 3,0G 67% /
19:13<tjader>tmpfs 1009M 0 1009M 0% /lib/init/rw
19:13<tjader>udev 1004M 228K 1004M 1% /dev
19:13<tjader>tmpfs 1009M 1,5M 1007M 1% /dev/shm
19:13<ompaul>pastebin it
19:13<tjader>/dev/sda6 217G 119G 87G 58% /home
19:13<tjader>Just 5 lines and the channel is slow
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19:14<ompaul>ok so you didn't run out of room
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19:14<tjader>I had checked that already.
19:14<ompaul>I hadn't, I'm running out of ideas
19:14<tjader>I have already run out :p
19:14<tjader>That's what brought me here
19:14<SynrG>that's a df -h after rebooting?
19:15<tjader>Yes.
19:15<SynrG>what about before?
19:15<tjader>It was pretty much the same before.
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19:15<ompaul>tjader: what version are you running?
19:16<tjader>squeeze
19:16<ompaul>tjader: it has to be something local to you or this channel would be full of people, I wonder if something strange is going on.
19:16<ompaul>well we can establish that something strange is going on
19:16<ompaul>tjader: what I want you to look at is this
19:17<ompaul>this number from ifconfig for the busy interface RX bytes:1787873609 (1.6 GiB) TX bytes:61947021 (59.0 MiB)
19:17<ompaul>tjader: all the stats for that should be interesting
19:18<tjader>ompaul: I tried switching to the wired interface and it didn't help
19:18<ompaul>tjader: then it must be in your configs
19:18<tjader>I hadn't used the wired interface since I had booted.
19:18<pparadis>tjader: what does "df -i" say?
19:19<tjader>34% for /, 1% for the others
19:19<pparadis>whenever people ask about disk space utilization, i always think about running out of inodes, which can get missed.
19:19<tjader>Good idea
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19:40<MigBac>hi
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19:41<MigBac>why is the documentation about nvidia driver so complicated while I just installed the virtual package nvidia-glx and it just worked ?
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19:43<musca>!nvidia
19:43<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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19:45<MigBac>musca, I have no issue with the nvidia driver, my question was concerning the debian documentation
19:45<ricardo>how can i install debian with kde-plasma-netbook because i didnt find this option when i install
19:45<mike597>failed to detect disk drive during instalation again
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19:53<musca>ricardo: it seems to me the installation guide only mentions kde-desktop
19:53<musca>though there is a Package: kde-plasma-netbook on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66;
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19:57<ricardo>musca, so i need install kde-plasma and after install netbook?
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19:59<musca>^ devil, what do you think?
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20:05<musca>ricardo: there is a special version of the CD 1 defaulting to the KDE Desktop
20:05<musca>you might ask in #debian-kde
20:06<musca>!install kde
20:06<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>.
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20:09<musca>i think that means to install only basic system and then apt-get install <your-favourite-minimal-desktop>
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20:14<ricardo>musca, are u have a guide to install basic system/
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20:16<pparadis>ricardo: you can use the netinstall CD to get a basic/minimal system installed, and there are guides like this for things like XFCE --> http://auriza.site40.net/notes/debian/xfce-minimal-installation-on-squeeze/
20:16<pparadis>installing a minimal system via the netinstall CD is very easy; you can pretty much just accept the default prompts in most places and get a running system.
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20:17<pparadis>in fact, it's so easy i recommend using the normal text-based installer, and not bothered with the "graphical install" option. the dialogs are very easy to understand.
20:18<pparadis>i'm sure there are many, many more guides available for other lightweight desktop environments.
20:19<musca>!tell ricardo about standard task
20:21<musca>as opposed to <base install> which lacks many tools
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20:21<pparadis>musca: what would you find lacking from a basic netinstall + [insert desktop environment here]
20:22<ricardo>thanks
20:23<TCW>ricardo, how minimal / basic do you want it?
20:23<pparadis>i typically choose to install an ssh server along with the base netinstall, but that's about it for many systems until i choose to add other stuff.
20:23<TCW>pparadis, ack... I have no idea how musca can think there is a "base" install that would fit for all users.
20:23<ml|>minimal installs are the way to go, IMHO
20:24<TCW>and if one wants a real lean install he could go the debootstrap way too
20:24<pparadis>nod
20:24<ricardo>TCW, kde
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20:24<nevyn>ml|: they are more work tho.
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20:25<ml|>not really, but ok
20:25<TCW>for me "basic" means deboostraped + ssh, less, screen, that's it.
20:25<musca>!base install
20:25<dpkg>The term "base install" is often debated: if you don't select anything at the <tasksel> stage, you will end up with a very minimal system that will be missing many tools you would expect to find (at, less, file, ...). Selecting the <standard task> at the tasksel stage is highly recommended to provide you with the standard tools that should live on any unix-like machine. Also ask me about <minimal install>.
20:26<ml|>TCW: that is extremely basic ;)
20:26<TCW>ricardo, KDE? And you mind a basic underground for such a fat DE? :)
20:26<ml|>hehe
20:26<TCW>ml|, indeed it is :)
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20:27<ml|>TCW: consider tmux over screen
20:27<TCW>ml|, screen works for years, why should I change?
20:28<pparadis>musca: here's what i do, plain and simple. i perform a netinstall + ssh server, boot it up, issue "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade -y ; apt-get install -y screen less wget curl htop iftop iotop rsync ntp ; reboot" and go from there for anything else i happen to want.
20:28<pparadis>it's really not complicated, there's nothing massively missing, etc. if anything, on systems where i know i'll be compiling stuff, i'll throw in build-essential with that install command, but that's about it unlesss i want a desktop environment. even if i do, that's one more install command, and i'm done.
20:29<pparadis>(most of the time i don't want a desktop, but then again i spend my life in ssh sessions anyhow)
20:29<musca>is this with or without installing recommends?
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20:30<pparadis>i don't typically bother with recommends.
20:30<pparadis>everyone will of course have different needs, but that's part of the advantage to this: you learn what's actually on your system, you control it, and you know how to deal with ti.
20:30<ml|>TCW: better code, actively maintained, easier to setup; I find tmux works better, even after using screen for years; I switched to tmux not too long ago, check it out/give it a try you might like over screen
20:31<pparadis>on that note, i'm in the screen using camp as well. i just haven't found anything wrong with it, and still have a whole bunch of stuff running @reboot in screen sessions.
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20:31<pparadis>i'm not saying tmux isn't useful, just saying screen meets my needs completely.
20:32*pparadis admits to being an old codger by virtue of being 31.
20:32<ml|>generally you want recommends; but _if_ you want more control and know what you are doing; turn recommends off
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20:32<TCW>ml|, thing is... I've heard that not the first time ;) but, how should I say that... hmmm... I am rather conservative there ;)
20:32<pparadis>yeah, i don't install recommends. if i need something, i'll know i need it :)
20:33<pparadis>(kthx4allthefish)
20:33<TCW>pparadis, hehe
20:34<ml|>yes, I understand and was thinking the same; but one day a few months back I said WTF, give it a try :)
20:34<TCW>ml|, I may do the same... some (not so well defined) time in the future ;)
20:35*ml| turns recommends off as well
20:35<pparadis>sure, no debate there, trying new stuff is a good thing, just in the right place and at the right time. for systems i need to work (perl -e 'print time;'), i follow my prescribed mantra :)
20:35<ml|>TCW: heh
20:35<pparadis>AND YES I LOVE PERL TOO
20:35*pparadis ducks
20:35<ml|>pparadis: no need to duck :)
20:35<pparadis>:)
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21:56<milad>hi all
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22:25<epilido>I was trying to add other mixers and audio controls like gnome-alsamixer to control the bass on my system. now for a single user all sound is disabled. if i log on as a different user sound is working. i uninstalled all new packages but still have no sound. ran alsa-mixer and nothing is muted. currently running wheezy. AAny suggestions???
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22:27<jpinx>!alsa
22:27<dpkg>The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <default alsa>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
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22:28<jpinx>epilido: see /msg dpkg alsa chekliist
22:28<jpinx>epilido: see /msg dpkg alsa-checklist
22:28*jpinx tries typing with a hammer
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22:31<pparadis>jpinx: does that mean it's hammer time?
22:32<pparadis>shall i proceed with all due haste to a suitable location wherein i may house myself in preparation to stop, collaborate, and listen?
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22:37<epilido>Thx found sound was output to wrong card device.
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22:38<epilido>so now that that is sorted any suggestions for an equilizer to controll bass?
22:38<pparadis>epilido: this means you can now listen to MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice.
22:38<pparadis>perhaps even at the same time via a custom remix.
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22:40<epilido>whoohoo.....
22:40<epilido>thx
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22:43<pparadis>epilido: you might want to have a look at some of the stuff listed here --> http://packages.debian.org/stable/sound/
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22:45<Charleston>Hi list, I get this error when I try to enter in my gnome shell session: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong...". Apparently, a problem in the video driver is the cause, although I have installed the intel xorg driver(I have an intel chip), the direct rendering isn't enable. Do you think, is it the error? Do you know some resource to solve this issue? I have spent a lot of time and I haven't resolved yet. Thanks!
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