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00:00<Ceno>then I went into nano and deleted the stuff I added, and gdm started immediately after... weird
00:00<pparadis>specifically, i think you need the options from Reference a on that link.
00:00<tweek>i have a question: i wanted to change the lsb init headers of checkfs to depend on cpufrequtils (overheating issue), but i noticed that these scripts are in different runlevels (checkfs is in S, cpufrequtils is in 2 3 4 5). so is it even possible to do that?
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00:03<Ceno>could you look at my config on pastebin? the bottom Section is added by me, all else is default.
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00:06<pparadis>Ceno: just from a cursory look, i note that some of the options listed on the link i pasted earlier don't appear in your config.
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00:06<Ceno>oh yeah, I actually did a mishmash of a bunch of other tutes.
00:06<Ceno> All options I tested numerous times
00:07<Ceno>I removed those that didn't do anything
00:07<pparadis>Ceno: i would recommend trying the options on step 3 from "Protocol" on down.
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00:07<Ceno>but that link refers to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, which messed up launching gdm
00:07<Ceno>when I modified it
00:07<Ceno>I'll look at it
00:09<pparadis>perhaps you added options before that weren't compatible with your setup. in any event, i'd try adding the options i just discussed and see what happens.
00:09<pparadis>no guarantees, but maybe it will help :)
00:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 489] by debhelper
00:10*pparadis stares at perl
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00:13<Ceno>I'm going to try it. ignore the following: ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=169423
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00:19<Ceno>mouse now non-functional
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00:22<pparadis>Ceno: :/ that's no good. i'm pretty sure those are the sort of options you want to specify in your xorg configuration; maybe it's time to spend some time with the xorg.conf man page. i'm at a disadvantage here help-wise, because i don't have anything resembling your config.
00:25<Ceno>yeah. I'll try modifying etc/X11/xorg.conf
00:25<Ceno>maybe I can figure out how to not break it
00:28<Ceno>I'm setting /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf back to default
00:29<Ceno>mouse now works
00:30<Ceno>*functional
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00:31<Ceno>in fact, I have NO /etc/X11/xorg.conf present
00:31<Ceno>should I create one? or will that break something?
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00:32<pparadis>Ceno: you should determine where xorg.conf is actually located.
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00:34<Ceno> /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/xorg.conf
00:34<Ceno> /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/examples/xorg.conf
00:34<Ceno>only xorg.conf's I have on system
00:34<pparadis>http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg
00:34<pparadis>"What if I do not have an xorg config file?"
00:35<pparadis>see that section ^
00:35<Ceno>alrighty
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00:40<Ceno>now I'm in gdm3 but I'm root....
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00:40<pparadis>you want to edit your config as root, but you want to run gdm as your normal user.
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00:41<pparadis>well, you want to log in as your normal user.
00:41<Ceno>okay, I logged out of gdm3, switch user, run startx
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00:43<Ceno>the thing said it created xorg.conf.new ..... It's not there when I locate it
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00:44<pparadis>Ceno: what's under /etc/X11 ?
00:44<pparadis>(use pastebin)
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00:45<Ceno>uno momento
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00:47<Ceno>okay so it created my xorg.conf.new in root's ~
00:48<pparadis>right-o, so it should get moved to /etc/X11 i suppose.
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00:49<worm_>alguem ?
00:49<Ceno>cd http://pastebin.com/vdKBHHsp
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00:49<worm_>fala portugues ?
00:50<worm_>brazil /?
00:50<jchen>!br
00:50<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
00:50<Ceno>nautilus
00:50<Ceno>oops
00:50<Ceno>haha
00:50<depianpai>does anyone have a direct link on how to improve fonts the best on debian squeeze ?
00:51<Ceno>moving xorg.xonf.new to /etc/X11
00:51<Ceno>blah
00:51<pparadis>it should also get renamed to xorg.conf of course.
00:51<Ceno>should I rename it to xorg.conf ?
00:51<Ceno>oh okay
00:52<Ceno>rnamed
00:52<Ceno>should I try adding the mentioned code to my xorg.conf?
00:53<pparadis>maybe seeing if everything works properly with the new "default" xorg.conf file is a better first step.
00:53<Ceno>okay
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00:53<Ceno>one moment
00:53<Ceno>kay should I just reboot the machine and see if it works?
00:53<worm_>anybody here understand about vulnerability wirelles
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00:54<pparadis>Ceno: that would certainly be one way, although killing X and restarting it should have the same effect.
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00:54<pparadis>worm_:
00:54<pparadis>!ask
00:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
00:55<Ceno>ohhh shiit
00:55<Ceno>flashing
00:56<Ceno>[ 23.518832] Fimrware Bug]: powernow-k8: No PSB or ACPI _PSS objects
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00:56<Ceno>shit
00:56<Ceno>I can't even login
00:56<Ceno>on a tty
00:56<Ceno>stuck in a loop
00:57<worm_>CMy backbox is not accepting enable wirelles someone can help me
00:57<pparadis>ctrl + alt + f2 get you back to a console?
00:57<Ceno>no, that won't even work
00:57<Ceno>it was flashing that message
00:57<Ceno>, or printing, clear screen, prin
00:57<Ceno>loop
00:57<pparadis>i guess a reboot is in order, and hopefully you'll be able to at least get a console afterward
00:58<pparadis>if not, single user mode and remove that naughty xorg.conf file
00:58<Ceno>okay some thing is happening
00:58<Ceno>rebooted......
00:58<Ceno>now it's similar
00:58<Ceno>fuck
00:58<pparadis>if you need to do single user mode, do this:
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00:59<pparadis>boot up, when the grub prompt shows, hit "e" and toggle down to the kernel line. add "init=/bin/bash" to the end of it, and hit ctrl + x to resume booting.
00:59<pparadis>do "mount -o remount,rw /" and remove that xorg.conf file, reboot again.
00:59<pparadis>that should at least get you back to where you were before.
01:00<Ceno>there is no kernel line
01:00<pparadis>ther eis, hang on
01:01*pparadis goes to boot a VM
01:01<rigved>Ceno: the kernel line has initrd in it.
01:01<pparadis>Ceno: that would be the line that starts with "linux"
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01:01<pparadis>vmlinuz-2.6.[blah blah blah] is the kernel.
01:02<Ceno>initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 ?
01:02<pparadis>that's the initrd line. you want the "linux" line.
01:02<Ceno>oh
01:02<Ceno>linux /boot/vmlinuz...etcetc
01:02<Ceno>?
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01:02<pparadis>Ceno: yes
01:02<pparadis>add init=/bin/bash to the end of that
01:02<pparadis>and then the rest of what i said.
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01:03<Ceno>okayokay, doing,...
01:03<Ceno>oh shit
01:03<pparadis>?
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01:04<Ceno>oops, I did a typo in it
01:04<pparadis>Ceno: okay, try it again :)
01:05<pparadis>once again, when you get a bash prompt, you need to do this: mount -o remount,rw /
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01:05<pparadis>then remove the errant /etc/X11/xorg.conf and reboot
01:05<brando753>Guys reinstalled debian on my laptop, used a encrypted LVM and everything went well, I went to upgrade to wheezy right after but the dist-upgrade failed an I couldnt even get Xserver to work...I reinstalled Debian on the encrypted volume and upgraded again to the exact same problem, I have done this a bunch of times before but for some reason its failing to upgrade on a fresh install
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01:06<pparadis>brando753: "failed" is not very descriptive. could you please paste relevant apt logs and such to http://paste.debian.net so folks here can have a look at them?
01:07<rigved>brando753: there is a Xorg transition currently going on in wheezy. your attempts will fail till the transition is complete.
01:07<pparadis>well that does change everything :D
01:07<brando753>AH, so is it a repo thing rigved
01:07<pparadis>"it's borked"
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01:07<brando753>:d it was driving me crazy @_@
01:07<craigevil>if you are trying to use fglrx you will fail until a newer ati driver comes out that works with new Xorg
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01:07<brando753>I did to fresh installs and it was going to where
01:08<rigved>brando753: it says so on the #debian-next channel. also, i tried the same. installed squeeze and tried to upgrade to wheezy. failed to install X.
01:08<Ceno>okay, did those
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01:08<brando753>I had ATI card but I believe I was the free driver
01:08<brando753>rigved, is there anyway to upgrade right now, a non transitioned repo?
01:09<Ceno>phew, returned to functionality
01:09<pparadis>:)
01:09<pparadis>sorry you're back where you started, but at least it's usable now, right?
01:09<Ceno>yeah
01:09<brando753>alright, Im glad it wasnt me screwing up somehow :d
01:09<Ceno>xorg.conf seems to break my system really badly
01:10<Ceno>:(
01:10<Ceno>haha
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01:11<ceno_>hmm
01:11<Ceno>back to square 1
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01:11<rigved>brando753: when you do the dist-upgrade, check the packages which are supposed to be removed. it will give you a fair idea if your upgrade will be successful or not.
01:12<Ceno>ugh I think I'll give up for now even though it's driving me CRAZY
01:12<rigved>brando753: you can upgrade to wheezy without installing X at all, at least till the broken dependencies are fixed.
01:12<brando753>rigved, then install X after the upgrade or will it still break
01:13<brando753>Im using wheezy on a laptop :d
01:13<brando753>not much good a CLI does for me there
01:13<rigved>brando753: install X after the upgrade. but make sure that none of the important packages are being removed.
01:13<brando753>ok Ill give it a shot
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01:13<brando753>This was the first time I used full disk encryption and I thought I botched the install :D
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01:14<rigved>the last time i tried the upgrade (about 2 weeks back), the ifupdown tools were broken. upgrading caused me to lose internet access!
01:14<brando753>O_O
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01:15<craigevil>thats why you never say yes unless you know exactly what and why packages are being removed
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01:19<brando753>well, its a fresh install so no loss if it fails
01:20<kenifanying>hi, I try to download linuxmint iso image via "aria2c ftp://ftp6.sjtu.edu.cn/linuxmint-cd/stable/13/linuxmint-13-cinnamon-dvd-32bit.iso", but I get some errors, see http://paste.debian.net/171335/ , my system is debian squeeze, is aria2c doesn't support ipv6?
01:21<pparadis>kenifanying: i have no idea. have you tried just using something like wget?
01:22<kenifanying>pparadis, Yeah, wget is normal
01:22<kenifanying>pparadis, sorry for my english
01:22<pparadis>you might review this page --> http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/aria2/wiki/UsageExample
01:23<pparadis>or the version of aria2 in squeeze may simply not support IPv6.
01:25<pparadis>alhough as of november of 2010 it appears to support ipv6 in squeeze --> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448390
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01:26<kenifanying>pparadis, thanks, I have review that page, and /usr/share/doc/aria2/aria2c.1.html say “ --disable-ipv6[=true|false] Disable IPv6. This is useful if you have to use broken DNS and want to avoid terribly slow AAAA record lookup. Default: false”
01:27<kenifanying>pparadis, so , it seems that the version of aria2 in squeeze is support ipv6
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01:28<subgirl>good Morning
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01:30<subgirl>could someone tell me how to set a maximum refresh rate without using a custom EDID in squeeze?
01:35<subgirl>i have tried setting it in xorg.conf but xrandr seems to ignore that
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01:36<pparadis>subgirl: have you looked at the ModeLine setting?
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01:40<subgirl>pparadis i have tryed generatig new modlines but xrandr insists on setting a refresh rate which is to high for the Monitor due to wrong EDID information
01:42<mido>hi
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01:43<kenifanying>pparadis, Thank you for your reply, I review aria2 changelog and find aria2 in squeeze is 1.10.0-2, and ipv6 support is add in 1.10.6-1
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01:44<mido>i need a good reference to learn networking in linux as a beginner,thanks
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01:47<kenifanying>mido, have you read unix networking programming?
01:47<mido>no
01:47-!-samsul [~samsul@118.96.133.206] has quit [Quit: Leaving | Assalamu 'Alaikum...]
01:47<mido>iam 17,need to learn a good ground of general computing,programming and networking
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01:48<pparadis>mido: what version of debian are you running?
01:48<mido>i was using windows
01:48<mido>i just downloaded DEBIAN 6.0.5 DVD
01:49<kenifanying>mido, sorry it's should be unix network programming 3rd by W. Richard Stevens
01:49<mido>iam a beginner in linux
01:49<pparadis>this channel is really for debian-specific questions. you might try googling for "debian linux networking howto" and similar queries if you're looking for very introductory information.
01:50<pparadis>people here are always available to help with specific questions about a debian install, however.
01:50<mido>kenifanying,thanks :)
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01:50<mido>pparadis,thanks :)
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01:51<mido>i think pparadis dislike me
01:51<ceno>I gift to you my awesome bash prompt for debian.
01:51<ceno>http://pastebin.com/djd39Z0B
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01:51<ceno>that is all
01:51<pparadis>mido: i don't dislike you
01:52<mido>iam sorry pparadis,iam new to linus and feel fear of it
01:52<mido>linux*
01:52<pparadis>there's nothing to fear, just lots of stuff to explore and learn.
01:53<ceno>LOTS to learn
01:53<ceno>but the more you learn, the more interesting it becomes
01:53<ceno>and the more you can do
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01:53<ceno>Linux is AWESOME
01:54<rigved>mido: the Debian Administrator's Handbook also is good enough for a beginner to learn about Debian in general.
01:54<mido>windows users made me fear of linux
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01:55<mido>they told me it is so difficult to deal with
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01:55<pparadis>the suggestion rigved just made is a very good one --> http://debian-handbook.info/
01:56<ceno>linux is not difficult. they fear the unknown
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01:56<ceno>just go into a terminal and type man intro
01:56<ceno>that's a good way to get started
01:57<ceno>it will introduce you to the basic commands
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01:57<mido><pparadis> thank you dear ^_^
01:58<mido><ceno>,thank you dear ^_^
01:58<pparadis>no problem!
01:58<ceno>^3^ ~<3
01:58<mido><rigved>mthank you dear ^_^
01:58<rigved>mido: you are welcome.
01:59<mido>i hope you help me as i be in need to you my friends
01:59<ceno>the more people who know to use linux, the better.
01:59<subgirl>ceno i beg to differ it gets more complicatet every year in the past you could configure everything via config files but lately most of those files eighter disapeares or are renderd useless in favor of automatisms
02:00<ceno>I suppose I've just had my own bad experience with that
02:00<ceno>but I still like getting down into the configs
02:01<ceno>like my .bashrc custom prompt, modified sources.list, done tons of configs editing so far
02:01<ceno>it's not so bad
02:01<ceno>I've yet to learn vi but I'm comfortable in nano
02:01<ceno>I grew up using DOS since I was like 3 years old, command line is familiar and comfy
02:01<pparadis>subgirl: config files don't generally disappear, but there are indeed more automated tools these days that edit config files. i am not a fan of such tools in general, and thus typically choose not to use them.
02:02<pparadis>i'm also a server guy, and do very little desktop configuration. from my perspective, on the server side, things are quite manageable.
02:03<ceno>yeah. I like to be able to ssh into my machine... I use mpeg123 and play mp3s remotely on my desktop haha
02:03<ceno>it's so cool
02:03<ceno>I LOVE LINUXXXX!!!
02:04<ceno>I wish I had learned how to use it way earlier in life.
02:05<pparadis>well, i'm guilty of riding the train as well, but i should point out that there is #debian-offtopic for general conversation :)
02:05<ceno>oh.... sorry
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02:05<pparadis>no worries
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02:06<ceno>thanks for trying to help me with my problem earlier
02:06<ceno>I give up for now, I'll revisit it later though
02:06*ceno needs to go smoke.
02:06*pparadis too
02:07<ceno>laterzzzz
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02:07<subgirl>pparadis desktop configuration is far worse than servers especially with Gnome or KDE
02:08<mido>guys,i downloaded debian 605 DVD,4.4 GB
02:08<mido>i need to install it in my HP personal laptop
02:08<mido>my dvd drive was broken
02:09<mido>my flash memory is only 4 GB
02:09<mido>any solution available?
02:09<pparadis>mido: given this state of affairs, and especially since you're just starting to learn, you might consider installing it in a VM in virtualbox or something first.
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02:09<pparadis>many people use that method to start learning.
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02:10<mido>no,i already gave it a try and loved it today
02:10<mido>i've to install it and start playing around
02:11<pparadis>you don't have to install from the DVD image. you could get the netinstall image, which will only download and install the items you want.
02:11<mido>i installed it since 13 hours in virtualbox
02:11<pparadis>the netinstall image is much smaller
02:12<mido>if so,will it be upgraded to DVD later?
02:13<pparadis>when you install from the netinstall image, you can still install things like a desktop, etc. then you simply use synaptic (or apt on the command line, whatever you want) to install additional packages.
02:13<subgirl>so i get it that noone knows how to get xrandr to default to a more "conservative" refresh rate like 75 Hz and not set it to a dreamland value of 130 Hz just because the monitors EDID claims the monitor could do it?
02:14<pparadis>subgirl: did you check into the ModeLine setting?
02:15<mido>i love you pparadis 0_o thanks
02:15<pparadis>mido: no problem!
02:16<subgirl>pparadis yes i did but it seems taht i can only add ones but what i would need to do is to delete everything over 75 Hz which seems to be impossible
02:16<pparadis>i would think you'd be able to specify exactly which modelines should apply to a device. it's not something i've messed with any time in recent history, though.
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02:18<mido>i have a side question,do all of you prefer reading e-books or paperprints?
02:19<depianpai>once i got an android tablet i stopped reading paperback
02:19<pparadis>depends on the subject matter. if it's a programming reference, i usually prefer dead trees. for a lot of other stuff i prefer ebooks.
02:19<subgirl>pparadis: well yes i can add modlines to it but it still keeps the ones generated with the monitors EDID
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02:20<pparadis>subgirl: this one might be a good question for the mailing lists unless somebody with way more experience in this area wanders by :)
02:20<depianpai>anyone know of a website that will allow debian fonts to look much nicer ?
02:21<pparadis>depianpai: there's a config option under apperance settings or somewhere to let you set the antialiasing method for fonts.
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02:22<subgirl>pparadis: what is especially frustrating is that any values in xorg.conf seem
02:22<subgirl>to be useless :(
02:25<subgirl>pparadis: i could gererate custom EDIDs for every single Monitor but i still hope that there might be another option
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02:30<mido>please,is unix network programming suitable for absolute beginners?
02:31<pparadis>mido: you might find things like this useful for starters --> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/
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02:32<mido>tnx :)
02:36<mido>any of you love egypt?
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03:25<brando753>Alright, I installed Squeeze on a encrypted LVM setup, I was wondering how I can reinstall squeeze on the LVM without having to recrypt again as that took around 10 hours, I found If I went into rescue mode it would decrypt and install the OS, but when I rebooted grub wouldnt ask for a password and it just threw me into busybox saying LVM not found ...
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03:40<mido>i've a little question please
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03:41<mido>when i accessed debian for downloading DEBIAN squeez in torrents i've found (debian 6.0.5) torrent 1,torrent 2,torrent 3,.....till torrent 8
03:42<mido>there are any different between 1,2,...8?
03:42<mido>thanks
03:42<pparadis>mido: i'd recommend saving yourself some trouble and just using HTTP to download the netinstall image.
03:42<nza>you probably just need the 1st torrent, the others include everything in the repository
03:42<nza>also that
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03:43<mido>thanks pparadis and naz
03:45<mido>naz,you mean that the whole debian software broke into the whole 8 torrents?
03:45<mido>and that every torrent has the mais suit of necesary software?
03:45<mido>thanks
03:46<pparadis>mido: if i remember the earlier conversation correctly, i believe you really just want to use the netinstall image.
03:47<mido>yes you recommended me to download it
03:47<brando753>So is there any way to properly reinstall debian on an encrypted LVM by just giving it your password? I kind of got it to work with rescuemode, but when I reinstalled again and redid the /boot directory it failed to ask for the password at boot and just drops to busybox any ideas?
03:47<mido>but it was just question coz it puzzled me to know the differences only not other pparadis
03:47<pparadis>brando753: in short, using the conventional installer route, i do not believe there is.
03:47<brando753>D:
03:48<brando753>Thats 10 more hours because of my failed upgrade :_(
03:48<pparadis>i don't imagine the installer is particularly geared toward that use case.
03:48<brando753>D:
03:48<brando753>when do they believe the xserver repo problem will be fixed?
03:49<pparadis>when an operating system is installed on an encrypted LVM setup, the understanding is generally that the operator has good reason to want things "done right" and therefore probably is not interested in preserving anything that is already on those filesystems.
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03:49<brando753>pparadis but those filesystems are already encrypted
03:49<brando753>from my previous install
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03:50<pparadis>i have no idea regarding the wheezy repo deal. this is also why i don't run wheezy on systems that i use intensively, preferring to use backports for specific packages instead when necessary.
03:50<brando753>I just would need to decrypt it for it to access the LVM
03:50<brando753>most of my things dont have backports :(
03:50<pparadis>brando753: i don't think you understood what i was saying before. an OS install on encrypted drives is intended to be a "fresh environment" and i cannot imagine more than a handful of people on the planet would want to reuse a pre-encrypted LVM setup for that task.
03:51<brando753>its a ten hour long process :_(
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03:51<brando753>and I dont even know if it will be successful because I still need to upgrade to wheezy
03:52<pparadis>you do have the option of doing a normal install and later switching to manually setting up crypto on your data partitions, although depending on why you're using crypto to begin with that may not be a desirable route.
03:53<pparadis>most of the time spent on the initial crypto setup is writing random data across the disk(s).
03:53<pparadis>you may not care about that. you may be okay with just writing zeros across everything, which is much faster and arguably quite secure against any kind of non-insane potential forensic analysis.
03:53<brando753>I could do that just to see if the upgrade with xserver not installed then installed later will work
03:54<pparadis>i am, however, not aware of a way to tell the installer to use zero wiping instead of random data.
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03:54<pparadis>you certainly could do a standard install now for testing purposes and then redo it "for real" later.
03:55<ompaul>pparadis: open a terminal ctrl alt f2 or whatever and hhit enter before you do the install cat /dev/uradom > /dev/install-disk-goes-here does that work?
03:55<brando753>I think I will do that :/ what a time for the repo to be all borked up :d cost me a whole day of problems
03:56<pparadis>ompaul: that'll zero the stuff all right, but i presume the crypto setup stages will still want to do a random data wip.
03:56<pparadis>wipe, even
03:56<ompaul>pparadis: most likely
03:56<brando753>I could cancel the wipe, but I preffer it does it correctly over timely :d
03:57<ompaul>brando753: don't blame repos, you are using testing, and if you are using a testing cd you are asking for difficulty, install squeeze (if the hardware is too new for that use kmuto's installer) and then get on with it
03:57<pparadis>brando753: here's what you can do.
03:57<ompaul>then dist-upgrade
03:57<brando753>ompaul, the dist-upgrade caused the bork :d
03:57<pparadis>brando753: you could just zero the disk first on a live CD from /dev/zero, then cancel the wipe during the install.
03:58<ompaul>brando753: from what to what?
03:58<brando753>squeeze to wheezy
03:58<rigved>brando753: IIRC, there is a wheezy debian-installer. it is currently in alpha state, but you may try it.
03:58<pparadis>of course, since you've already dumped random data across your entire disk from the earlier install, and i presume you don't have anything sensitive on it anyhow, i don't see why you'd even care about rewiping it again.
03:58<brando753>rigved, hmm, I was thinking of that
03:58<ompaul>rigved: never ever suggested in irc :) it is for testing the installer as for the install being sane that is never the case
03:59<ompaul>brando753: that is not the recommended route, squeeze -> wheezy is the only suggested route
03:59<brando753>but for now xserver is borked on that route :_(
03:59<rigved>ompaul: ok. got it.
03:59<ompaul>brando753: also be aware that wheezy is not a release, it is testing, things brake
03:59<brando753>I know :d
03:59<pparadis>the alpha wheezy installer blew up on me a few days ago on a test system, actually.
04:00<brando753>ompaul, but I would at least like to get to wheezy
04:00<ompaul>brando753: when they break you get to keep the pieces, if you have done nothing to this box other than talk, have you done this in the last six hours: su - apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
04:00<ompaul>brando753: if an upgrade fails badly you can always try it 6 hours later
04:00<brando753>I reinstalled
04:00<ompaul>the time it takes the mirrors to sync
04:01<brando753>squeeze
04:01<brando753>and now it wont boot because grub wont decrypt
04:01<brando753>:d
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04:01<brando753>so pparadis the thing was just writing random data?
04:01<brando753>thats all I miss if I cancel that
04:01<mido>is debian squeez's kernel version is safe or it is better to update it?
04:02<brando753>cause that took like 10 Hours O.O
04:02<pparadis>brando753: if i were you, i would just wait a bit longer to let the mirrors sort themselves out, do the install again but skip the wipe (it's already been scrubbed), and be happy.
04:02<brando753>:D
04:02<brando753>I figured I would atleast get debian squeze on there
04:02<ompaul>brando753: lets just kill that disk cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda
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04:02<ompaul>then do a fresh install
04:02<brando753>poor hardrive
04:02<ompaul>brando753: you only need to do that for 2 minutes
04:02<ompaul>and it will nuke partitions
04:03<ompaul>in fact 20 seconds would be long enough :)
04:03<brando753>D:
04:03<ompaul>then you can reboot and start the install
04:03<pparadis>brando753: since you want to do full disk crypto on your stuff, keep things like this in mind as well --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_boot_attack
04:03<pparadis>better epoxy a bunch of stuff in place man
04:04<brando753>Yea I know about the ram problems :d
04:04<brando753>thats why we have the secure delete package
04:04<brando753>which will write random data to the ram
04:04<pparadis>you mean the incendiary device?
04:04<ompaul>brando753: what the hell are you protecting the crown jewels?
04:04<brando753>lol
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04:04<ompaul>brando753: if you are serious about the value of the data, you need not to be on irc
04:04<brando753>Im not to worried
04:04<ompaul>you need training from bruce s and people like him and not some people on irc
04:05<brando753>I just like to keep the system secure is all :D
04:05<brando753>nothing critical
04:05<ompaul>brando753: any corruption on the part of the machine and you are dead
04:05<brando753>D:
04:05<brando753>yea but I have used encryption
04:05<brando753>on my laptop for three years
04:05<brando753>and have managed to recover from every problem so far
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04:06<brando753>not saying it hasnt been a PITA but still
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04:06<brando753>pparadis, so you said just give it a day or two before upgrading?
04:07<brando753>what exactly happened that broke the xserver so badly?
04:07<ompaul>brando753: dist-upgrade in a few hours
04:07<pparadis>wheezy is the testing distribution. if you're keen to keep on top of ongoing developments, you really should subscribe to the mailing lists.
04:08<ompaul>every six hours you get the latest changes to the mirrors
04:08<brando753>yea, I actually should do that :d
04:08<pparadis>and things do go "boom" sometimes.
04:08<brando753>except my email was on the laptop that just got borked :D
04:08<pparadis>O_O
04:08<ompaul>that is where backups work
04:08<pparadis>http://picardfacepalm.com/
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04:09<brando753>yes a 300GB tar ball with only a very slow computer to work with it O.O
04:09<ompaul>brando753: please complete an install encrypt it, and then ask is it safe to upgrade to wheezy
04:09<brando753>alright and I will skip the random wipe
04:09<ompaul>brando753: please learn about security though obscurity
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04:10<ompaul>brando753: your suggested install method seems to be in that garden
04:10<ompaul>brando753: no point in spending millions of tonnes of effort for something that only deserved one file / partition not to be mounted but encrypted
04:11<ompaul>etc etc etc
04:13<pparadis>ompaul: why would you encrypt /etc three times? :D
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04:13*pparadis runs
04:13<pparadis>ow ow ow don't hurt me, i'm sorry!
04:14<ompaul>brando753: in security better to have all the walls at the same height rather than one to be 100 meters high and the others 1 meter high after all people will just walk around the big one
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04:14<ompaul>pparadis: because ;-) you eh joined ;-) the facebook group I'm a dickhead ;-)
04:14<pparadis>lol
04:14<ompaul>pparadis: hehehe
04:15*pparadis wanders off to smoke and think about the next lovely chunk o' code that needs to get written
04:15<ompaul>pparadis: please don't have me having to think it's too early in the morning 9:15 and all that
04:15<pparadis>$vigorous_nod
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04:17<mido>pparadis,i have to use clamav foe more security for the OS and net surfing?
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04:23<pparadis>mido: at this stage, and for your current level of experience, i wouldn't bother with that sort of thing right now. however, linux is all about experimenting and learning, so feel free to jump in and play with things.
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04:23<pparadis>the best way to learn is to experiment with things and read as much as you can about them.
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04:24<pparadis>mido: if you manage to break a debian install in interesting ways, there will always be people here to help you figure out what went wrong and how you might fix it.
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04:25<mido>ok thank you all and sorry to put you into trouble of me
04:26<pparadis>the regulars here are all volunteers who enjoy helping people. it's no trouble. have fun and experiment w!
04:27<brando753>Yea I learned early on to experiment in virtualbox first :d
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04:27<mido>good advice from real experts here,happy to be a member among you dears
04:28<bluepurplegreen758>What should I do if I've tried the debian testing installer a few times over the past 3 months, including the current alpha, and it completely freezes, requiring me to force it to power off, when loading hardware components (after language and keyboard)?
04:28<pparadis>bluepurplegreen758: you should install stable and dist-upgrade to testing.
04:28<bluepurplegreen758>Thats what I did, im on testing right now, but I meant woudl I be able to contribute info about it in any awy?
04:28<bluepurplegreen758>*way
04:28<pparadis>with the understanding that the mirrors may be in various states at some times for testing, such as right now actually concerning X stuff being temporarily busted.
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04:29<pparadis>well, you can still contribute bug reports and useful data on packages in testing.
04:29<bluepurplegreen758>K, so its probably nothing someone without deep knowledge on it could help at all with.
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04:29<bluepurplegreen758>right
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04:33<ompaul>when people say X is broken they tend to think of their desktop as being broken, which in most cases is gnome, I've had exactly zero days downtime running sid's kde but then I know what I'm doing and won't dist-upgrade without checking the removes carefully
04:33<pparadis>nod
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04:34<pparadis>the "-y" switch (or automatic whack enter syndrome) may yield undesirable results.
04:34<bluepurplegreen758>Whats a good routine and sources to check before upgrading?
04:34<pparadis>bluepurplegreen758: a test system you can afford to lose.
04:34<ompaul>-y will break your box when you most needed
04:35<bluepurplegreen758>ah, so i could keep a virtual machine and upgrade it first?
04:35<pparadis>always test important updates on a test system before applying them to a production system. that's just good common sense.
04:35<pparadis>and of course always keep great backups no matter what.
04:36<ompaul>bluepurplegreen758: what if there is a change between your vm and when you go to do the live system, no the best way is to have a place to drop your home directories safely on that box or somewhere else
04:36<pparadis>well, this does of course assume that a given test environment is kept in sync with a given production environment.
04:36<ompaul>bluepurplegreen758: wheezy and sid on a production box is a high risk activity, don't do it, if you have data you need to keep ... don't
04:37<pparadis>and especially that ^
04:37<pparadis>just. don't. do. it.
04:37<pparadis>basically, it boils down to "if your shit really matters, run stable. also, don't be this guy --> http://bit.ly/mLhVEx "
04:37<bluepurplegreen758>I just have a single laptop and have the distro/de-hopping obsession the past year or so... i always want to come back to testing though because it is always in a good happy medium for me i feel like
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04:38<bluepurplegreen758>backintime every hour always worsk great for me, and has a good gui on both gnome and kde, so my stuffs always safe.
04:38<ompaul>bluepurplegreen758: if testing dies it means you didn't read or didn't understand what was in the dist-upgrade remove warnings
04:39<bluepurplegreen758>So far, out of 3-4 months on testing out of the past year, i have yet to have any issues.
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04:40<pparadis>there is also the small factor of testing not necessarily receiving the most timely attention possible in terms of security updates, too. this probably only matters to people running net facing stuff, though. mostly. i think.
04:40<bluepurplegreen758>There is something going on with evolution lately that is locking everything up now and then. I havent looked for bug reports though.
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04:41<bluepurplegreen758>Yeahhh, i try REALLY hard to stay on stable.... and like, I love security and stability... a lot. But when I'm on it, i just get this ravenous lust for more recent updates lol
04:41<pparadis>!sns
04:41<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
04:41<ompaul>!sns
04:41<pparadis>ompaul: head shot
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04:41<bluepurplegreen758>hahah, that is exactly what is going on
04:41<bluepurplegreen758>I get it so bad.
04:42<ompaul>well that is because you were educated in a windows world I guess
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04:42<ompaul>the thing is what functionality do you need in the new version, that is the real challenge
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04:42<bluepurplegreen758>I just can't control myself. I havent used windows since 2004, and mac from 05-09, and ubuntu 09-10.5, and mostly debian since then.
04:43<bluepurplegreen758>I actually worry that newer versions will actually have better security
04:43<bluepurplegreen758>even though stable is obviously more stable
04:43<pparadis>security fixes tend to get ported back, you know.
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04:44<daemonkeeper>.oO( Are there Windows self-help support groups to pass over that addiction? )
04:44<bluepurplegreen758>Is there any good reason to backport kernel on stable, if the hardware works fine in the original kernel?
04:44<pparadis>in my view, no.
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04:45<bluepurplegreen758>I think the thing that brought me to testing from stable 2 days ago was I really wanted to tryout lightspark lol
04:45<ompaul>bluepurplegreen758: not in the slightest
04:45<bluepurplegreen758>thats all it took
04:45<pparadis>what ompaul just said about functionality is key here. when you find yourself wanting a "newer version" of something, you really need to ask yourself "what functionality am i not getting with what i already have that i desperately need in a newer version?"
04:45<bluepurplegreen758>Ok good. I always want to resist updating to 3.x when im on stable.
04:45<daemonkeeper>Newer kernels introduce lots of newer features as well. If you don't know why you want such a feature you don'tneed it.
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04:46<ompaul>bluepurplegreen758: daemonkeeper knows this stuff well, and phrases it way better than ompaul
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04:47*daemonkeeper wouldn't go that far.
04:47<pparadis>i like my debian systems to do what i tell them to do, and do it reliably. i don't like to spend time dealing with "surprises" on my servers. so i like stable. others like different things, which is part of what is great about the whole community, and why it works. YMMV, YHBW, HAND.
04:47<bluepurplegreen758>the newer kernel does a few things for me. on my dm-crypt'ed drive, the 2.6 kernel makes me have to type a character, erase it, then move on with my password, otherwise it misses the first stroke, when i boot, and the new one shuts my system down properly where the old one hangs at the end
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04:48<bluepurplegreen758>Is there any noticeable trend for knowledgeable debian-world people in which DE they usually prefer? Anyone think so?
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04:49<pparadis>i like bash.
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04:49<bluepurplegreen758>lol
04:49<daemonkeeper>There isn't. Most people pick either between Gnome and KDE.
04:49<pparadis>okay, fine. i like bash running in screen.
04:49<bluepurplegreen758>I've been telling myself I really need to spend a few days in a row forbidding x so I can get more familiar with operating that way.
04:49<brando753>Yea I learned early on to experiment in virtualbox first :d
04:49<pparadis>i like irssi, too.
04:49<brando753>oops
04:49<brando753>ment to say
04:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 496] by debhelper
04:50<brando753>XFCE FTW
04:50<brando753>:D
04:50<brando753>Gnome screwed up and KDE is to meesy
04:50<brando753>:d
04:50<pparadis>itym failsafe + xterm
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04:50<ompaul>!enter
04:50<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
04:50<bluepurplegreen758>haha, i feel like im the only person on the planet that loves gnome-shell
04:50<brando753>ompaul, ...
04:50<ompaul>exactly
04:51<bluepurplegreen758>lol
04:51<brando753>>:/
04:51<pparadis>brando753: you really should spend a few days without X, and also it's offtopic but what the hell, irssi really is great --> http://irssi.org/
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04:52*daemonkeeper does not know a single reason why one would like to live without X. And I have about 20 shells open any time of the day.
04:52<brando753>pparadis, I love just using a terminal
04:52<brando753>however the laptop really needs a DE
04:53<pparadis>daemonkeeper: oh i don't live without X at all! i just fired gimp up in X a bit ago, actually. X running on my macbook, that is, and yeah i've got a ton of shells open too :D
04:53<brando753>...
04:53<bluepurplegreen758>Anyone have any idea why I can connect to WEP using ifconfig, but not an open network? It's really bothering me.
04:53<brando753>lol
04:54<brando753>that would bother me aswell
04:54<ompaul>bluepurplegreen758: wep might as well not be secured
04:54<bluepurplegreen758>Its making doing net install difficult because I only have wireless
04:54<bluepurplegreen758>I know for a fact its nto secure because I hacked it myself to use it lol
04:55<pparadis>groan
04:55<bluepurplegreen758>lol, i use hacking veyr lightly as its not exactly knowledge-intense haha
04:55<brando753>wifi setup through the CLI is always a PITA
04:55<pparadis>bluepurplegreen758: knock on your neighbor's door and politely ask to run some CAT-5 through his window.
04:56<brando753>lol
04:56<ompaul>bluepurplegreen758: more important the open network, there are many reasons you can't connect to them, one is they have stupid things happen to them, I know a pub where we can't get access until they reset the router
04:56<pparadis>you laugh, i've done that. 10 years ago.
04:56<brando753>no way
04:56<ompaul>never laugh at networks that work
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04:58<brando753>pparadis, irssi? why not weechat?
04:59<pparadis>brando753: no particular reasons aside from irssi working well for me, and being familiar with it and its plugins.
05:00<pparadis>i don't suffer from sns, so when i find something that works well, i tend to keep using it ;)
05:00<bluepurplegreen758>lol, i'm using pidgin right now.
05:00<brando753>alot of people have been pushing me to use weechat over my working xchat :d
05:00<pparadis>i also only care about IRC.
05:00*pparadis jogs off to smoke
05:01<ompaul>brando753: drop the lol and :d - this is irc not IM, in fact it is IM's great grand daddy , keep them for when it really counts ;-)
05:01<brando753>...
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05:01<bluepurplegreen758>lol
05:01<brando753>but, I like emoticons, ...
05:01<ompaul>brando753: welcome to IRC ;-)
05:01*brando753 is sad now :_(
05:02<ompaul>brando753: sticking your tongue out at people who are helping you or others ... well work out what it makes the person viewing it
05:02<ompaul>think
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05:05<bluepurplegreen758>debian uses a completely free kernel right?
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05:06<daemonkeeper>Depends.
05:06<daemonkeeper>The kernel is free, but there are non-free firmware blobs.
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05:06<bluepurplegreen758>Ooooh, I thought I read somehwere back that it removed them. Guess not.
05:06<ompaul>bluepurplegreen758: if you need blobs of binary there is firmware-linux-nonfree
05:07<ompaul>bluepurplegreen758: so it is not in the default install
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05:07<bluepurplegreen758>I tried using trisquel, partly for that reason, and curiosity, but I couldnt get disk encryption to work with the latest version so i gave up lol
05:07<bluepurplegreen758>oh right, I was interested in not having them, not getting them
05:08<ompaul>well if you need them for esoteric hardware you know that it is there
05:08<bluepurplegreen758>trisquel did have an b43-open driver that i had never used before, and it was nice to have wireless work out-of-box, but the connection dropped every few minutes and made me cry. lol
05:09<bluepurplegreen758>Thats really the last stand before I can use totally free everything.
05:09<bluepurplegreen758>If I wanted.
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05:10<bluepurplegreen758>What do I need to do to make the firefox gui look normal when i use kde?
05:11<brando753>I dont believe debian has firefox, they use iceweasel no?
05:11<daemonkeeper>Iceweasel is Firefox.
05:11<bluepurplegreen758>right, thats what i meant, i dont even differentiate lol
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05:11<brando753>which is the same thing, just a different icon set
05:11<daemonkeeper>To some extent.
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05:12<brando753>oh, is there other changes?
05:12<daemonkeeper>And the answer is: You want a Qt widget toolkit for GTK+
05:12<daemonkeeper>err GTK
05:12<daemonkeeper>Something like gtk2-engines-qtcurve
05:12<bluepurplegreen758>AHHH, ok. I thought that might be what I wanted.
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05:14<bluepurplegreen758>Sigh. I'm probably going back to squeeze today/tomorrow and try to restrain my lust for the greener grass on the other side until wheezy is done lol. I dont know if i can do it.
05:14<daemonkeeper>brando753: Yes, there are some more changes. Evidently the name changed at very least. Moreover, some features such as the update manager are disabled.
05:14<brando753> ah
05:14<pparadis>firefox 9001 and counting
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05:14<bluepurplegreen758>I thought it was originally so tehy coudl backport security fixes to stable release's browser
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05:15<daemonkeeper>Yes. And that practice collapses with full updates from mozilla.org. Don't you think? :)
05:15<pparadis>i run chromium on the debian desktops i maintain, which are only ever accessed over freenx anyhow, but oddly i run firefox locally.
05:16<bluepurplegreen758>I wouldnt run chromium forever because they had no https everywhere, but now that there is a version for it, and noscript, i might see how I like it. I'm pretty loyal to mozilla though.
05:16<brando753>hey pparadis how long has that xserver problem been, I just noticed the topic in #debian-next was updated last on May 1
05:17<brando753>I switch between chrome, firefox, w3m, and lynx
05:17<pparadis>https everywhere is only as good as your trust in CAs. /me shuts up about that because it's offtopic though.
05:17<pparadis>brando753: i honestly have no idea. i haven't been affected by it.
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05:17<bluepurplegreen758>haha yeah, but they have a good list, and they are building it with 'observatory', and i use monkeysphere too.
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05:22<bluepurplegreen758>Thanks for everyone who commented and gave advice. peace.
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05:29<brando753>alright stable is installed, I guess its just wait and see before I upgrade?
05:30<pparadis>brando753: that and carefully review what apt tells you it wants to do before you do it.
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05:30<brando753>alright, is there a specific mailing list this issue was announced on that I should join?
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05:33<pparadis>brando753: search, select, and be happy --> http://lists.debian.org/
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05:34<brando753>well, thanks everyone, good night :D
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06:11<Aspire>Is anybody there?
06:12<pparadis>!ask
06:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:25<shachaf>I have a backtrace from an APT package. Is there a place that has unstripped versions of binaries, so I can figure out more information about this backtrace?
06:25<daemonkeeper>There are -dbg packages for some packages.
06:26<pparadis>nod, and you might post to the mailing lists on it as well, and perhaps reach out to the package maintainer.
06:27<shachaf>Oh, I looked for a -dbg package but didn't find it before. Apparently it's there.
06:27<shachaf>Thanks! :-)
06:28<pparadis>win
06:30<shachaf>Hmm, now to figure out what all these build-ids are.
06:30<shachaf>Oh, I can get them with `file`. Great.
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06:34<shachaf>Oh, these are *just* the symbols, not a full binary.
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06:35<shachaf>Hopefully there's a nice way to get the information from the backtrace+binary+symbols without doing too much work.
06:35*shachaf should probably save it for tomorrow.
06:36<shachaf>I wish I had a core file. :-(
06:37<SynrG>what's the package in question?
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06:43<tuxcrafter>W: GPG error: http://backports.debian.org squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org>
06:43<tuxcrafter>i am getting that error and i dont see why its there
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06:45<movl>tuxcrafter: try changing the mirror
06:45<themill>tuxcrafter: do you have a proxy between you and repo?
06:45<tuxcrafter>nope no proxy
06:45<tuxcrafter>offical repo
06:46<themill>!secure apt
06:46<dpkg>[apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>.
06:46<themill>tuxcrafter: ^^ it would be useful to follow that guide to manually check what Release data you've got
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06:47<themill>tuxcrafter: if you could pastebin /var/lib/apt/lists/backports.debian.org_debian-backports_dists_squeeze-backports_Release that would be interesting to see too
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06:50<tuxcrafter>themill: http://paste.debian.net/171369/
06:51<tuxcrafter>ehmm the error is gone
06:52<themill>there's a dns round robin there and it looks like one machine is unhappy
06:52<tuxcrafter>didnt change anything
06:52<tuxcrafter>themill: ah that would explain it
06:54<themill>tuxcrafter: http://paste.debian.net/171370/ -- I'll find an appropriate person to prod.
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07:15<Lillymon>themill: Ban me again.
07:15<Lillymon>I'll wait.
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07:16<Lillymon>I was done in #debian-offtopic, but now I want to annoy you again.
07:16<daemonkeeper>.oO( +q )
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08:19<emmanuel>hi
08:19<emmanuel>please is there a kannel channel I can join to ask some questions?
08:20<chrisreich>if it's about Debian, do so here and now. No need to ask
08:20<kilelme>!kannel
08:20<dpkg>Kannel is a <WAP> and SMS/SMPP gateway, packaged for Debian. http://www.kannel.org/faq.shtml http://www.kannel.org/ #kannel on irc.freenode.net.
08:20<chrisreich>sorry all, I misunderstood the question.
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08:21<emmanuel>dpkg, thank you
08:21<dpkg>de nada, emmanuel
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08:29<danlii>Running Debian stable amd64 with an Intel 82801JI builtin sound card, and the snd_hda_intel module. The sound quality is quite poor compared to when running Windows. Everything sound a little bit blurry, no matter what program I use to play. I use ALSA and no extra sound daemon. Is it supposed to be this way?
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08:51<debian-novice>hi any1 here?
08:51<emmanuel>hi yes
08:52<Walex>danlii: it depends on a *lot* of factors. For example whether you have used exactly the right options for the sound driver, as Intel have a habit of doing slightly different variants.
08:52<debian-novice>I have small question, is it possible to install vmware server on debian 5.0.8. version, and if you know about any good manual?
08:52<Walex>danlii: if it is not that, maybe there is a 44.1k to 48k conversion in between that should not happen, or the ALSA buffering is a not quite right and jitter happens.
08:53<Walex>debian-novice: depends which VMware server product. The old 2.x series works on Debian 5, but it is a pretty bad release
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08:54<debian-novice>Walex: I have downloaded VMware-server-2.0.2-203138.i386.gz, but I cannot find a way to install it....
08:56<Walex>debian-novice: you unpack it under '/opt' and then you run a perl script to configure it, as described in the manual.
08:57<debian-novice>I found some instructions on howtoforge website, but that's for debian 4.0 Etch, idk if it's same as for my version
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08:58<dentifrice>hey there
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08:58<dentifrice>I just tried to run a dist-upgrade on a server, and dpkg dies with an input/output error
08:59<dentifrice>so I tried to look in /var/log/syslog, but rsyslogd doesn't write to the file since a few days and when restarting the daemon, I get "rsyslogd/etc/init.d/rsyslog: 136: start-stop-daemon: Input/output error"
08:59<dentifrice>any clue what may be happening, or where to start looking? the ext4fs is still mounted 'rw', and I can write to other portions of the filesystem w/o trouble
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09:06<movl>dentifrice: maybe it's a hardware issue
09:06<movl>try smartctl
09:06<dentifrice>did that
09:06<dentifrice>both disks seem to be doing fine
09:07<dentifrice>I don't want to risk rebooting the box
09:08<movl>dentifrice: http://kb.monitorware.com/etc-init-rsyslog-reload-problem-t10930.html
09:09<dentifrice>ah
09:09<dentifrice>dmesg tells me about ext4 problems :/
09:10<movl>boot a livecd and fsck
09:10<dentifrice>yes, will do so - it's a server though, so it's a little different, I'm not in the serverroom ;)
09:11<movl>:/
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09:29<debian-novice>hi can someone please help me with this vmware
09:30<debian-novice>I'm stuck
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09:30<AgentC>re
09:31<AgentC>do someone knows a possiblity to print a jpeg to big posterformat on more A4 papers ? (example: 4x6 leaves)
09:31<movl>AgentC: libreoffice
09:31<movl>IIRC it does that
09:32<AgentC>i try, thank you
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09:33<AgentC>ohje, it's in testing? how to do that on squeeze?
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09:42<Marillion>AgentC: on stable use openoffice.org, or use libreoffice in backports.debian.org
09:45<themill>AgentC: «apt-cache search poster» turns up a lot of relevant options
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09:53<AgentC>thnx
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09:59<debian-novice>hi one small question, do I need Vmware workstation or Vmware server to install windows OS on linux debian? Or I need both?
10:00<movl>debian-novice: go with Virtualbox
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10:00<movl>you will find it easier
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10:01<debian-novice>movl thx I will give it a try
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10:03<geko>stop
10:04<movl>hammertime
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10:07<daniel_>hola
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10:09<geko>!
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10:16<badro>hi
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10:17<badro>I am knew in backtrack4 could you help me
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10:26<AgentC>themill: movl: posterazor does that job pretty nice, converts into pdf file, then printable page by page.
10:26<AgentC>thanx for the hits
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10:31<geko>http://xdcc_CANCEL_X1338129046
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10:34<debian-novice>when I run apt-get update, I get tons of errors, what is the problem? I am on debian lenny 5.0.8.
10:34<themill>debian-novice: /topic
10:34<themill>debian-novice: lenny has been unsupported for some months now, and is no longer on the mirrors
10:36<ankur2405>hello
10:36<debian-novice>damn what should I do now?
10:36<themill>dpkg: tell debian-novice about lenny->squeeze
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10:37<themill>debian-novice: you should read over the release notes and upgrade to squeeze soon. (by soon, I mean 12 to 15 months ago)
10:38<debian-novice>I see now....thx
10:38<debian-novice>will do now
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11:27<antonio>!list
11:27<dpkg>antonio: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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11:29<vina>hello?
11:29<themill>debian-novice: please ask the channel, not me directly. That way you'll get an answer even if I've disappeared.
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11:30<vina>hmmm no one is talking......
11:30<themill>vina: this is a support channel. No bugs means no questions.
11:31<vina>oooooh im sorry about that. I thought this was something such as yahoo messenger
11:31<vina>forgive my intrusion
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11:41<xylon>hi
11:42<xylon>just installed Debian on my Eeepc 1001PX, works great but I'm puzzled that cat /proc/cpuinfo sais I have two cpus but I'm sure I only have one
11:43<xylon>and so does system monitor
11:43<devil_>xylon: it is probably a HT PU
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11:43<xylon>ah, that word rings a bell, hyperthreading
11:43<devil_>right
11:43<abdel>salut
11:44<xylon>ok, thanks :)
11:44<abrotman>or dual-core
11:44<abdel>what are you doing
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11:44<abrotman>xylon: look up the CPU model somewhere, it's likely dual-core, not HT
11:45<devil_>abrotman: i have quadcore, and with HT i see 8 ores
11:45<xylon>I don't think the Intel Atom N450 is dual core
11:45<devil_>cores even
11:45<scientes>they also have dualcore+hyper threaded atoms
11:45<abrotman>devil_: right, but they don't all have that anymore
11:45<scientes>no, N450 is single-core non-hyperthreaded
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11:45<xylon>scientes, Oh
11:46<xylon>so how come I see two :?
11:46<scientes>but its 64-bit
11:46<scientes>oh well then its hyperthreaded
11:46<scientes>sry
11:46<abrotman>xylon: oh, wiki says it has HT
11:46<abrotman>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors#.22Pineview.22_.2845_nm.29_4
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11:47<scientes>i've been wondering if anyy of those atoms have h264 VA-API on open-source drivers
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11:47<scientes>cause i couldn't get VA-API to work with radeon even with fglrx
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11:49<xylon>I don't know what that is but I have working 3D acceleration with this machine with no proprietary drivers
11:50<xylon>that's why I chose this model
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11:50<AgentC>short question: how to lock gnome screen for afk without logging out ?
11:51<xylon>System > Lock Screen works for me
11:51<AgentC>on my menu nothing present, only logout and shutdown
11:51<xylon>right click panel and go Add to panel and find the screen lock button
11:54<Marillion>actually is that default by Gnome
11:54<xylon>I am using a fresh Deb squeeze install, installed this morning
11:54<AgentC>nothing in that addtopanel list about it. hm
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11:55<xylon>AgentC, what Debain are you using?
11:55<xylon>I'm squeeze
11:55<AgentC>squeeze
11:55<AgentC>upgraded from lenny
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11:56<xylon>well maybe there's a package that contains extra panel apps
11:56<xylon>I'll open synaptic package manager
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11:57<xylon>how can I see only installed stuff?
11:58<Marillion> dpkg -l
11:58<dpkg>Files in package marillion-pr0n: /srv/marillion-pr0n/marillion.jpg
11:58<Marillion>hm
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11:59<AgentC>xylon: maybe it's cause i am logined as root. not programmed in that sense
11:59<xylon>AgentC, I have gnome-applets version 2.30.0-3
11:59<Marillion>one space i not enough
11:59<xylon>AgentC, LOL!
12:04<AgentC>xylon: ok, ALT+CTRL+L with screensaver lock enabled should work
12:04<AgentC>xylon: but it dont
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12:08<xylon>AgentC, OK, don't use root user for non-administrative tasks
12:09<xylon>If I crack into your IRC client I have root
12:09<AgentC>xylon: i no, no discussion
12:09<AgentC>thnx anyway
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12:15<Marillion>AgentC_away: i think you don't use *tasksel* for the installion, that is why you haven't it
12:17<Marillion>AgentC_away: and /away is enough for away, away-nickchanges are silly
12:17<jchen> /nick jchen`away`afk`brb
12:17<jchen> /me i'm away
12:18<jchen> /me back
12:18<jchen> /me 1 second away
12:18<jchen> /nick jchen
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12:37<AgentC>Marillion: ok. am i back now ? or must there be cmd like /meisback ?
12:38<ompaul>AgentC: you do /away on it's own and it goes away
12:38<ompaul>AgentC: some clients remove it automatically
12:38<Marillion>AgentC: jep, is cmd like
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12:38<AgentC>i see ! :)
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12:46<MagikK>Hi
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12:47<MagikK>how to change kernel ? in grub or lilo configuration ?
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12:48<Marillion>MagikK: for default?
12:48<MagikK>I want to test kernel with openvz
12:49<rauf_>grub
12:49<MagikK>thank you ;)
12:49<Marillion>MagikK: you need supported Kernel
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12:50<MagikK>I already download Kernel with OpenVZ
12:50<Marillion>and yes for grub, don't forget update-grub
12:51<MagikK>1) edit grub conf 2) update-grub 3) restart
12:51<Marillion>yes
12:51<MagikK>Easy :) Thank you ;)
12:51<Marillion>you're welcome
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13:20<debian-novice>hi, can virtualbox be installed on Debian Squeeze 6.0.5 GNU, but I don't have any GUI....
13:21<ompaul>debian-novice: in that case ssh -C username@remotemachine.com
13:22<ompaul>you can run as many ssh sessions as the max for one of the two boxes involved
13:23<peterS>debian-novice: if you want the gui, install 'virtualbox-qt'
13:23<debian-novice>ompaul the thing is that I want to install windows OS on Debian OS, so I need vmware or virtualbox....but the thing is all instructions for installations are for GUI OSes...
13:24<peterS>wait ... your question is a bit unclear. do you _want_ a gui, or not?
13:24<debian-novice>peterS I have Debian without GUI, only terminal, and I want to install virtualbox....is it possible?
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13:25<peterS>debian-novice: oh, sure. though virtualbox is a bit awkward in that respect - if you boot a VM with a GUI, it seems to expect you to leave your GUI session open - AFAIK you can't disconnect and reconnect to it easily
13:26<debian-novice>peterS what do you suggest then
13:26<peterS>debian-novice: you say the debian box does not have a local GUI. are you accessing it from some other system that _does_ have a GUI?
13:26<peterS>because in order to install Windows, I guess you need a GUI _somewhere_.
13:26<debian-novice>peterS no, I connect to server through putty
13:26<debian-novice>so no GUI
13:27<peterS>debian-novice: I'm not sure how virtualbox accommodates that arrangement. It is possible that you can get access to vbox consoles through VNC or something, but I'm not sure how it works
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13:28<peterS>what you _can_ do is install a local X11 server on the system you run putty on, and then probably tunnel it via putty (it has an option for that, I'm pretty sure)
13:28<peterS>but it does mean the whole time the windows system is up, your putty session has to stay connected, or you'll lose contact with the windows gui
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13:28<HelpINGG>is this debian or what
13:29<HelpINGG>is this debian or what
13:29<peterS>we heard you the first time
13:29<debian-novice>peterS
13:29<HelpINGG>peterS
13:29<debian-novice>I don't know about this tunneling
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13:29<HelpINGG>I don't know about this tunneling
13:29<debian-novice>but can I install somehow server
13:29<HelpINGG>but can I install somehow my server
13:29<debian-novice>and then via browser to
13:29<debian-novice>install OS?
13:30<HelpINGG>and then via browser to install OS?
13:30<HelpINGG>shit
13:30<debian-novice>wtF?
13:30<HelpINGG>I must be bored as fuck
13:30<HelpINGG>wtF?
13:30<HelpINGG>I love you debian-novice
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13:33<peterS>debian-novice: honestly what I'd probably do in your situation is to start a VNC servre on the debian box. Then connect to it using a VNC client on the system you run putty from. Then run virtualbox inside that session.
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13:34<peterS>debian-novice: I don't do this often so let me see if I can find the instructions I use when I do
13:34<debian-novice>kk deal
13:34<debian-novice>I must go now but I will come back later
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13:34<debian-novice>if you find something out please let me know
13:34<debian-novice>bye
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13:48<peterS>debian-novice: (1) install 'vnc4server' and 'virtualbox-qt' on your debian box. (2) Find a VNC client for your Windows box - http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/winvncviewer.html is as good as any.
13:48<peterS>debian-novice: (3) run 'vncserver' on the debian box. The first time you run it it will prompt you for a password. make something up, between 6 and 8 characters.
13:49<peterS>debian-novice: (4) it will then print something like "new desktop is on myhostname:1". You can now run the VNC client and connect to "myhostname:1". It will prompt you for the password you stored earlier.
13:49<peterS>debian-novice: at that point, inside the VNC session, you can run 'virtualbox' and manage it normally. you can connect and disconnect to the VNC session as needed.
13:50<peterS>debian-novice: if the client can't connect to "myhostname:1", it might be hostname resolution (try the IP address instead of the host name), or it might be firewalling - VNC needs port 5900 open.
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13:59<Garp>Hi. Question: Sound works with one user, not with the others. I looked at several places still dont understand hwat's wrong, any help wlecome. Thanks.
14:02<perlwizard>put user in group audio
14:03<Garp>perlwizard: that's already done. Thanks.
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14:03<perlwizard>did changes become active?
14:04<peterS>a common corollary to that: note that the declared group membership only matters at the point you log in. if you change it for yourself, you have to log out and back in
14:04<perlwizard>usually requires relogin (ie restart of X session or reboot)
14:04<peterS>(at the point you log in, part of the process is to read the group configuration and actually set it up for the processes that are logging in)
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14:05<Garp>perlwizard: it has been done at least a few years ago, dont worry.
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14:08<Garp>Garp: I'm using pulseaudo (at least I think that's what I'm using), testing with xine, any test would be good to take.
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14:13<Garp>(I've been diconnected, may have missed something)
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14:30<Garp>Follow-up on my sound problem: from working user, pacmd list | grep driver returns lines likes
14:30<Garp>"module-alsa-card.c"
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14:31<Garp>while from non working user, I get only "module-null-sink.c"
14:31<Garp>I've no idea what to do with this but if anyone does, please.
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14:38<Garp>OK, as long as there is one application that is registerdeedd as being sound enabled from one user, teh others cant get it. Stupid linux sound :( I use pulseaudio, is there anything better?
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15:02<xylon>hey
15:02<xylon>I heard ext4 supports discard option to enable TRIM for SSDs
15:03<xylon>but in mount man page it has a section: Mount options for ext4
15:03<xylon>And I don't see discard
15:03<enderst>google
15:03<enderst>http://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/howtoconfigureext4toenabletrimforssdsonubuntu
15:04<enderst>might check this first - http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2012/03/msg00184.html
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15:05<AlexLikeRock>hola gente , buenas tardes
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15:06<enderst>xylon: should be discard/nodiscard in the man page if its there
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15:07<xylon>enderst, I don't see it
15:07<xylon>omg
15:07<xylon>I just saw this:
15:07<xylon>http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2012/03/msg00204.html
15:08<xylon>THAT MUST BE WHY MY OLD NETBOOK KEPT CRASHING DAMNIT!
15:08<enderst>well there ya go
15:08<xylon>Oh well, my new one's better
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15:24<debian-novice>anyone here
15:24<towo`>!abyone
15:24<paco>hi everybody
15:24<debian-novice>I've tried peterS-s tip
15:24<towo`>!anyone
15:24<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
15:24<debian-novice>but problem is same
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15:24<debian-novice>that didn't help me at all
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15:25<bluepurplegreen758>what is your problem
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15:28<debian-novice>bluepurplegreen758: I have debian squeeze 6.0.5. OS, but not in GUI, so no KDE or GNOME or any fancy programs
15:28<debian-novice>just terminal
15:28<debian-novice>and I want to install windows os on debian
15:28<debian-novice>and I still don't know if it's possible
15:28<debian-novice>:D
15:29<bluepurplegreen758>Nope. Your options are the desktop environments Gnome, KDE, XFCE, and LXDE
15:29<bluepurplegreen758>Gnome and KDE are probably easier for inexperienced users
15:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 517] by debhelper
15:30<debian-novice>so I cannot install virtual interface on server? vmware or virtualbox?
15:31<bluepurplegreen758>Oooh, yes, you can do that.
15:31<Marillion>debian-novice: but windows without X it's not possible
15:31<debian-novice>well I suppose I need vmware to install then windows os?
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15:32<debian-novice>Marillion how you mean widows without X?
15:33<bluepurplegreen758>The package you need to install is called "virtualbox-ose" Do you know how to install packages?
15:33<debian-novice>bluepurplegreen758 I am new to linux, i have tried to install some stuff but I get bunch of errors
15:33<Marillion>debian-novice: so mean i to say
15:34<bluepurplegreen758>Right. First you need an environment for X. You install it just like you would any other program. Then you can install virtualbox.
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15:36<bluepurplegreen758>You most likely need to edit your sources first, so your computer knows where to get the packages it needs.
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15:39<Marillion>debian-novice: have you ever seen a windows without an GUI?
15:39<Peetz0r>Hi. I'm trying to install a browser on my (emulated for now) Raspberry Pi. I'm already running debian squeeze successfully. It seems that Iceweasel 3.5 has less dependencies than Midori, but 3.5 is kinda old. Then I found mozilla.debian.net which has newer versions, but only for i386 and amd64.
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15:40<Peetz0r>Is there a repo anywhere with a up-to-date ARM version of iceweasel or firefox?
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15:41<Marillion>Peetz0r: maybe http://mozilla.debian.net/
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15:45<Peetz0r>Marillion: as I said, that's only for i386 and amd64
15:45<xeon-enouf>debian-novice: why not install one of 'apt-get update && apt-cache show x-window-manager' or somethhing
15:46<Marillion>Peetz0r: oh i see, my mistake, sorry :)
15:46<xeon-enouf>!arm
15:46<dpkg>Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net.
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15:47<Peetz0r>!armel
15:47<dpkg>armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port, first released with <lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net.
15:47<xeon-enouf>last entry there might have some info
15:47<xeon-enouf>last entry there might have some info #echo
15:47<Peetz0r>!armhf
15:47<dpkg>armhf is a port of Debian requiring a floating-point unit (FPU) found in modern <ARM> hardware. It explicitly targets version 7 of the ARM architecture, using the hard-float version of the ARM EABI. armhf is a prospective release architecture for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net.
15:48<Peetz0r>not for me ;)
15:48<xeon-enouf>!tell Peetz0r -about msgthebot
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15:49*xeon-enouf mails his 1995 pentium-M to Peetz0r so he can install and run links2 and dillo, et al
15:50*Marillion ...for notice myself, it is better to read all sentences
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15:53<Marillion>Peetz0r: asking #debian-arm for porting, more help could we not give
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16:16<diederik1974>If I want to run multiple virtual machines, all running Debian, would it matter (much) if I ran them under VirtualBox vs KVM?
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16:17<Marillion>diederik1974: kvm
16:18<Marillion>diederik1974: it is in the mainline by the kernel
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16:18<diederik1974>thanks. Can you tell me why or point me to a good resource?
16:18<Marillion>mom
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16:18<Marillion>diederik1974: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page
16:19<Marillion>diederik1974: in Debian, you would like libvirt.bin and virt-manager
16:19<mdupont>hi, i finally installed debian as my main os
16:19<Marillion>s/libvirt.bin/libvirt-bin
16:20<diederik1974>Marillion: thanks. I found a number of tutorials on how to set it up, but not much about the comparison.
16:20<Marillion>diederik1974: and finally from backports.debian.org
16:21<Marillion>it is newer
16:21<diederik1974>I'm mostly running sid, so that should be even newer ;)
16:21<Marillion>it is a bad idea
16:22<diederik1974>could be, but I've been running it for years now (I know, I get to keep all pieces)
16:23<Marillion>for productive system not recommend ;)
16:23<Marillion>not my problem, anyway
16:23<diederik1974>nope, all mine :P
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16:34<lupocattivo>list
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16:35<lupocattivo>list
16:35<lupocattivo>#Mirc
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16:47<canaima>gnome para canaima
16:47<Marillion>!it
16:47<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:48<canaima>gnome 3 para canaima
16:48<canaima>debian
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16:50<Marillion>weird
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16:57<bluepurplegreen758>gnome 3 para canaima
16:57<bluepurplegreen758>haha just kidding
16:57<bluepurplegreen758>What does para canaima mean anyway?
16:58<Marillion>who knows
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16:59<Marillion>any people thinking this channel understand all languages
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17:24<ikey>Anyone know how I'd go about getting patches for gnome upstream ?
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17:27<lupocattivo>!list
17:27<dpkg>lupocattivo: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
17:28<lupocattivo>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
17:28<Marillion>lupocattivo: use wget -c
17:28<Marillion>not here
17:29<Guest1672>how can I change a mount point
17:29<lupocattivo>wget -c
17:29<Marillion>!it
17:29<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:29<Marillion>lupocattivo: ^
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17:30<lupocattivo>si dimmi
17:30<Marillion>Guest1672: unmount and mount again
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17:30<Marillion>Guest1672: or edited your fstab
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17:31<Guest1672>Marillion is the command sudo gedit fstab
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17:32<Marillion>Guest1672: are ubuntu user?
17:32<Guest1672>debian
17:32<Guest1672>Su
17:32<Marillion>ok, sudo ist enabled by default
17:33<Marillion>s/ist/is not
17:33<Marillion>Guest1672: and don't want gedit with root
17:34<Marillion>take nano, or favorite editor
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17:34<rokr1>Guys I can get Intel HDMI to work I am using Alsa right now
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17:35<Guest1672>I think I installesd gedit because that is what I used in Ubuntu
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17:35<Marillion>Guest1672: i doubt it
17:35<jchen>sudo nano /etc/fstab
17:35<rokr1>hi guys
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17:36<rokr1>I cant get i7 HDMI audio to work on Debian Squeeze
17:36<rokr1>Alsa works
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17:36<rokr1>but cant re-route audio to HDMI
17:36<Marillion>jchen: sudo is not enabled by default, you must enable it by d-i or afterwards
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17:38<rokr1>I am using Alsa
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17:38<rokr1>do you guys suggest me to switch to pulseaudio ?
17:38<rokr1>or Pulseaudio over alsa
17:38<ikey>Anybody know how I'd get my gnome patches upstream ? Sorry to be a pain ^^
17:40<Marillion>ikey: i believe that gnome has thre own channel, why you asking here
17:40<ikey>Because its not something Gnome would accept
17:40<ikey>But I'm sure Debian would
17:40<Marillion>ask the maintainer team
17:40<ikey>I patched gnome-panel to behave exactly the same as gnome 2's panel in fallback mode (gnome 3.4)
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17:41<ikey>okies.
17:41<rokr1>do I have to fall choose libsdl1.2debian-alsa or pulseaudio
17:42<rokr1>anyone ?
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17:42<Guest1672>Marillion, why not edit fstab as root I am not a sudoer
17:43<Marillion>Guest1672: read my content again :)
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17:45<Marillion>Guest1672: you would like nano or others
17:45<Marillion>not an X app
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17:47<Marillion>and "su -" is sufficient
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17:50<mejsa>hey guys,power went off and my mysql database is broken,any idea how to fix it?,i don't have
17:51<mejsa>back up :(
17:51<Guest1672>when editing a file in nano how do I get the inverted v
17:52<Marillion>maybe with ctrl
17:52*Marillion use mcedit
17:52<mee>Guest1672: I'd use XCompose for that. This should get you started http://canonical.org/~kragen/setting-up-keyboard.html
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17:57<mee>mejsa: first, I'd try to make a backup of what you do have, either with mysqldump, copying the files that the db is stored in, or dd'ing the disk.
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18:00<geek>what is terminal code install virtualbox? ty
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18:02<Marillion>rourick: http://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement
18:03<rourick>hey ty ty
18:03<mejsa>mee: okay,what would be next?
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18:06<mejsa>when i start: database i get Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables..
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18:32<bar_>#channels
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19:01<mejsa>hey guys, power has turn off and now my site is not working,i had mysql error... its showed on my site,so i went to <mysql and repair that table,but my site is still not working
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19:01<mejsa>its retunrs white space,any idea what should i do ?\
19:01<perlwizard> "not working"
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19:01<perlwizard>be more specific
19:02<perlwizard>web server not responsive? mysql not responsive? no ping?
19:02<mejsa>so i get www.forgym.eu
19:02<mejsa>white space i can acess www.forgym.eu/administrator
19:02<mejsa>but i cant log in...
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19:03<perlwizard>do you have ssh access?
19:03<mejsa>yy
19:03<mejsa>and direct too\
19:03<perlwizard>well then
19:03<perlwizard>ssh there and inspect web server logs
19:03<perlwizard>for starters.
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19:07<mejsa>hmm
19:07<mejsa>there nothing really interesting
19:09<mejsa>http://pastebin.com/szRg04cN error.log
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19:10<Peetz0r>mejsa: go fix line 24 of /var/www/forgym.eu/www/administrator/components/com_zoo/framework/helpers/user.php and try again
19:11<mejsa>http://pastebin.com/jPkqEFFV acess.log
19:11<mejsa>it was working before...
19:11<Peetz0r>But not anymore, and user.php looks very broken, especially line 24
19:12<mejsa>ant its component,i should access the administration without fixing that
19:12<Peetz0r>there's even a syntax error which explains why it doen't do anyhing at all
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19:13<mejsa>http://www.forgym.eu/www/administrator/components/com_zoo/framework/helpers/user.php
19:13<mejsa>that page loads...
19:13<Peetz0r>err, that's an 404 error page
19:14<mejsa>off course
19:14<mejsa>im using sef...
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19:14<Peetz0r>so find the *actual* location of that file on the server (not using your webbrowser) and try again
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19:15<mejsa>nonono...
19:15<mejsa>its located corectly,just
19:16<mejsa>sef plugin makes it like 404
19:16<Peetz0r>nope, user.php is at http://www.forgym.eu/administrator/components/com_zoo/framework/helpers/user.php whis is an http 500 error
19:17<Peetz0r>http 500's don't magically change itself to user-friendly 404's by an plugin in some framework. Just can't happen.
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19:19<mejsa>http://pastebin.com/3Q2RSCs1
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19:23<Peetz0r>mejsa: are you sure you posted the correct file?
19:23<Peetz0r>I can't find the syntax error, or the cause of the warnings
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19:30<mejsa>for sure,there is no problem
19:30<mejsa>there is problem with crashed mysql
19:30<mejsa>i had repaired yg5jl_session but still not working...
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19:32<Peetz0r>There's a http 500 error in an important-looking part of your application. That *is* a problem, and should be fixed. If you don't want to fix it, then I'm afraid noone can help you.
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19:34<mejsa>i want,but there is no posssibility that that script is wrong..
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19:35<Spidey_>Hello, I am trying to configure apt in the "netinst" version of the Debian squeeze installer. However, every time I attempt to do so, I get the error "Bad archive mirror". I have tried several different mirrors, so I know it's not a problem with that.
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19:36<Peetz0r>mejsa: error logs don't lie. Your script is broken. We both don't know how, but that doesn't change anything. Find an php expert ans ask for more help there.
19:37<pparadis>Spidey_: can you please provide more information on how you are connected to your network?
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19:38<pparadis>it sounds like DNS resolution failure.
19:38<Spidey_>Ethernet cable
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19:38<pparadis>okay, did the installer acquire an IP address via DHCP, or did you manually configure it?
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19:40<Spidey_>I had to manually configure it; it said that my network is probably not using the DHCP protocol (which I know it is).
19:41<Spidey_>The title of the message telling me this was "Network autoconfiguration failed".
19:41<pparadis>is the machine you're doing the install on located behind a NAT device that is providing DHCP?
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19:42<pparadis>for one, this could be a bad network cable.
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19:43<pparadis>have you tried a different network cable?
19:44<pparadis>also, does the machine you're installing on have multiple ethernet interfaces?
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19:44<Spidey__>No, but I have tried my internal wireless.
19:45<pparadis>when asking for help, it's generally good to provide the kind of information i've been asking about up front :)
19:45<pparadis>otherwise we have to pay 20 questions to get the basics down.
19:45<pparadis>s/pay/play/
19:45<Spidey__>Sorry.
19:45<pparadis>what kind of machine are you installing this on?
19:46<pparadis>internal wireless may well not work with the installer because of limited driver support there.
19:46<Spidey__>Actually, I think that my internal wireless is refered to as eth0 (which I assume is ethernet). I am installing it on a laptop; a Dell XPS M140.
19:47<pparadis>so when you run the installer, it asks you which interface you want to configure, right?
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19:48<Spidey__>And I had to install another piece of Firmware for my internal wireless. And, to your question, yes, it does.
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19:49<pparadis>Spidey__: the easiest thing to test first would be to just try another network cable. are you plugging into a device that does NAT and provides DHCP?
19:50<pparadis>or are you plugging it directly into a cable or DSL modem, which you expect to do DHCP?
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19:50<pparadis>i ask only because some cable/DSL modems provide wireless as well, but i don't know how your network is set up yet.
19:52<Spidey__>I'm plugging it into my DSL(I believe) modem. It has always done DHCP before with wireless and ethernet cable.
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19:52<Spidey__>And I don't know if I have another network cable.
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19:53<pparadis>have you used this laptop with that exact setup before, as in that exact device?
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19:55<pparadis>you might try power cycling the DSL modem first, then trying again. what's happening here may be that the debian installer is detecting your devices fine (it sounds like it is), but your DSL modem doesn't want to play nice.
19:55<Spidey__>This is my first time installing debian period. I have installed xubuntu and linux mint lxde on this laptop before, however.
19:55<pparadis>with exactly the same setup, connected directly to that DSL modem?
19:56<Spidey__>Yes.
19:56<Spidey__>Well, with wireless.
19:56<craigevil>ubuntu and LMDE come with firmware that isnt in the debian installer
19:57<pparadis>you could try disabling the wireless first and seeing if the install works, then re-enable it and configure it later.
19:57<Spidey__>I'm using the "netinst" image.
19:58<pparadis>right. i mean disable the wireless by using the toggle switch that the laptop likely has, or in the BIOS, then doing the install.
19:58<pparadis>then re-enabling it afterward and configuring it.
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19:59<Spidey__>Oh.
19:59<craigevil>if you have a usb flash drive, google the hardware, if it needs firmware, download the .deb from packages.debian.org the installer will find it and you should be able to connect
20:00<Spidey__>Alright, thanks. I'll try that.
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20:00<Spidey__>And I have installed the needed firmware.
20:01<Spidey__>I just got the wireless to work; I think it was a problem with the ethernet cable.
20:01<Spidey__>Thanks for the help!
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20:22<mido>hi guys,i have an HP laptop,iam using debian squeez DVD on a virtualbox,but the only available screen resolutions are:(800*600) and (640*480),...,there is any method to use (1280*800)?
20:22<mido>thanks
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20:26<pparadis>mido: you may need to install or update virtalbox guest additions.
20:26<pparadis>s/virtalbox/virtualbox/
20:27<mido>iam now on linuxmint OS,i installed virtualbox yesterday throughout "synaptic manager",and installed then the guest manager via "synaptic" too
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20:28<pparadis>unfortunately, we can't provide any support for linux mint.
20:28<pparadis>!mint
20:28<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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20:28<mido>mido@mido-HP-Compaq-6730s ~ $ s/virtalbox/virtualbox/
20:28<mido>bash: s/virtalbox/virtualbox/: No such file or directory
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20:29<pparadis>mido: i was correcting my typo there, that's not a command you run :)
20:29<mido>^_^ thanks all
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20:31<mido>debian workgroup provide tutorial videos on debian os?
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20:32<pparadis>mido: i'm not aware of any specific resource for video tutorials, but there is a lot of information here --> http://www.debian.org/doc/
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20:34<mido>iam really sorry for disturbing,...,but can i gain extra speed for my debian squeez-on virtualbox-in its performance?
20:35<sney__>remember that it's a virtual machine, so it's limited by the host computer, and it's not easy to have video acceleration and things like that
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20:36<mido>i allowed it 640 MB of ram,20 GB of hard disk,3d acceleration
20:36<mido>iam intel core 2 dio 2.01 GB
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20:38<sney>do you have virtualbox-ose-guest-utils and virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 installed
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20:39<mido>not installed
20:40<sney>ok, install them and you will see some improvement, but not as much as if it were running on bare hardware
20:40<mido>thanks sney
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20:56<mido>i gave " virtualbox-ose-guest-utils" a try,it is a very good with performance sney
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23:56<dizzylizzy>darn it :(
23:57<dizzylizzy>when i installed i put everything in one partition
23:57<dizzylizzy>i should have separated / and /home at least
23:57<dizzylizzy>the thing is every single gosh darn time I do separate partitions, I always run out of space in one with plenty in the other
23:58<dizzylizzy>sometimes / gets full because of /usr, sometimes /home gets full-ish and there's tons of free space in /
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