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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-06-03

---Logopened Sun Jun 03 00:00:02 2012
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00:01<sney>hi.
00:05<royalty>hello
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01:07<ayuba>why i cannot open my pendrive in ubuntu - beginner
01:07<ayuba>please help me
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01:19<scientes>!ubuntu
01:19<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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01:19<scientes>oh was gone
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01:32<ex0a>how can i get adduser to preserve acl modifications to directories/files under /etc/skel?
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01:48<Guest2493>how to change fix-splash background ...
01:49<scientes>ex0a, good question
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01:49<scientes>ex0a, it runs chmod user:user on the copied /etc/skel
01:52<ex0a>that's not good enough for what i want without modifying the adduser script or creating a wrapper for it
01:53<ex0a>there was a bug report that was supposedly fixed for redhat some time ago, but i don't know if it was the exact same issue, as this just seems to not even check if acl mods have been done
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02:27<Guest2509>helou
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04:02<EmleyMoor>I appear to be having trouble with the network on one of my Debian systems - it's running asterisk, openfire (with spectrum2) and hylafax. I can't connect a client to hylafax reliably, nor reach external IM systems
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04:04<EmleyMoor>Can't connect a SIP phone to the asterisk session either
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04:07<rohit>hey rocl gypsy here
04:07<D3bash3r>ня ня ня
04:07<rohit>hey rock gypsy here
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04:07<melmothX>i had similar issues with openfire, dropped it and installed ejabberd
04:08<EmleyMoor>It all worked fine until the power went off last night
04:08<EmleyMoor>melmothX: I have dropped both in favour of the other at least twice
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04:08<melmothX>that's funny
04:08<EmleyMoor>(though with that exact science, hindsight, ejabberd is better)
04:09<EmleyMoor>I'm just wondering what a power cut can have done to my system
04:10<EmleyMoor>The asterisk registration has now gone through
04:11<melmothX>sure you didn't set some iptables rules by hand, reset by the reboot?
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04:16<EmleyMoor>I have none
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04:16<EmleyMoor>(never have had yet)
04:16<EmleyMoor>I'm suspecting a faulty NIC
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04:20<EmleyMoor>Luckily that machine does have a spare, left over from an earlier network
04:24<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... no, it's not that
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04:30<EmleyMoor>I really can't understand how this can happen, unless by pure coincidence the motherboard was on the verge of failing...
04:31<EmleyMoor>I'm having trouble with other stuff too - could be a switch failing
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04:35<pparadis>EmleyMoor: is it possible you have an IP conflict on your network?
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04:36<ojrain>hello ?
04:36<ojrain>any one here?
04:36<pparadis>!ask
04:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:36<ojrain>I install wheezy canm't find /proc/scsi/scsi ?
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04:41<pparadis>ojrain: please pastebin the output of "ls /proc ; ls /proc/scsi ; cat /etc/fstab" to http://paste.debian.net
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04:46<pparadis>ojrain: also, please pastebin the output of this: uname -a ; grep CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS /boot/config-`uname -r`
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04:49<ojrain>pparadis, I find #CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS is not set thank you
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04:50<pparadis>ojrain: no problem.
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06:00<vodkaabsolute>hi there, I have a problem with my touchpad. THe pointer moves when I'm near to touch it. It seems it too sensible but I don't know how to tune this settings
06:01<vodkaabsolute>when my finger is few millimiters away from the touchpad, the pointer shakes
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06:20<diego>hi, help with sound that stopped working after update ? tried killing pulseaudio, also alsa reload
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06:23<ompaul>restarted?
06:23<ompaul>diego: ^^^
06:23<diego>yeah
06:24<ompaul>when you say update - what version?
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06:26<diego>so, i have debian testing which I know is not supposed to be stable .. but usually is
06:26<diego>Im trying to get the sound back
06:26<diego>everything else keeps working
06:26<ompaul>diego: did you do update or dist-upgrade?
06:26<diego>both
06:27<ompaul>kde?
06:27<diego>no, Im with xfce
06:28<ompaul>no idea about it's internals, do you have any ogg files?
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06:28<diego>no, I have some avi files and trying youtube
06:28<diego>and espeak
06:28<diego>none work
06:28<ompaul>well let's get you an ogg and ogg player from the command line to see if it is sound or xfce
06:29<diego>espeak from command didnt work
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06:29<diego>and after killing pulseaudio it says connection refused (but wont work with pulseaudio either)
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06:31<ompaul>in a terminal type alsamixer
06:31<ompaul>and see if anything is muted
06:31<ompaul>I'm on sid listening to stuff right now on kde
06:32<diego>I tried that, not muted
06:32<diego>yeah, I mean, it was working for me before the upgrade , something broke heh
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06:33<ompaul>but you have killed stuff since the box started I'd ask you to restart so I have some hope of understanding
06:33<ompaul>diego: do this right now apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (just in case the repos were in mid update)
06:34<ompaul>also watch what is being deleted when you use testing before you upgrade - doing it blind leads you to where you are now
06:34<diego>I dont have anything to upgrade now , its all up to date
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06:36<ompaul>you did try?
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06:36<diego>yeah, so, its a laptop and an intel audio chipset
06:36<ompaul>and that is what this is
06:36<diego>there are always regression problems with these cards for some reason
06:37<ompaul>intel audio
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06:37<diego>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03_
06:38<towo`>cat /proc/asound/cards
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06:39<diego>0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
06:39<diego>HDA Intel at 0xda500000 irq 49
06:40<ompaul>so your machine can see it
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06:40<ompaul>is your gui tool pointing to the right card
06:40<ompaul>unsure on xfce but most others double click on speaker and you get some config options
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06:44<diego>im gonna try to reboot again
06:44<diego>even I dont think it would help
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06:47<diego>back, still no sound
06:48<shire>Hello everybody! I just caught kernel bug #13594 (SMART responses for SATA disks on SAS get interpreted as errors) - scheduled checking kiks one of my disks out. What is better way to solve this issue?
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06:48<shire>I'm using Debian Squeeze 2.6.32-5-686
06:49<fikri>Hi
06:49<fikri>Im Using Xubuntu 12.04
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06:50<fikri>Is there anyone who are using Xubuntu 12.04
06:50<gnugr>!ubuntuirc
06:50<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
06:50<diego>any help with sound
06:51<diego>!sound
06:51<dpkg>[sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <devdsp>, <dmix>, <microphone>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>.
06:51<diego>!alsa checklist
06:51<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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06:52<gnugr>diego:please use /msg dpkg <info> to see messages in privat
06:52<fikri>Is there anyone who are using Xubuntu 12.04
06:52<fikri>Is there anyone who are using Xubuntu 12.04?
06:52<pparadis>!ubuntu
06:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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06:52<abrotman>the bot has a tell feature so you don't have to flood the channel
06:52<abrotman>fikri: try #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net
06:53<pparadis>abrotman: figured he wasn't going to see the tell because he's already had ubuntuirc tossed at him.
06:53<abrotman>pparadis: you mean lik ethe other one that he ignored?
06:54<pparadis>yeah, lose/lose, nod.
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06:55<SynrG>after failed reception of an in-channel factoid, a direct comment to the user is appropriate, then. not another in-channel factoid.
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06:56<pparadis>SynrG: i've only got this plain leather strap to flog myself with, but i'll embed some broken glass in it later ;)
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06:58<SynrG>pparadis: a bit extreme? sackcloth and ashes will do
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07:00<pparadis>SynrG: fair enough, although i'll throw in gnashing of teeth as a gesture of good faith as well. collaboration at work!
07:00<SynrG>:)
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07:07<zulu>Hi, I rsynced (-avn) 865Gb of data from one partition to another without pb (mean incremental list is now empty) but the size is different 2Gb... anyone get an idea?
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07:08<zulu>one partition is ext3 the other ext4, could it be the reason?
07:08<pparadis>different block sizes.
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07:08<zulu>hum.. how do I check block sizes?
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07:10<zulu>pparadis: same block size (using tune2fs -l) 4096
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07:13<pparadis>zulu: is the ext4 version the smaller one?
07:13<ompaul>zulu: run md5sum on each
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07:15<pparadis>ext4 uses extends, which can result in a bit of added efficiency in storing large files.
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07:16<zulu>pparadis: no the big (destination one) is lvm2 ext4 of 2Tbytes the source one is root (no lvm) ext3 of 1Tbyte
07:16<zulu>as this is all my data, it make me feel nervous :)
07:16<diego>still no sound, any help ?
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07:17<pparadis>by "smaller" i mean the side reporting less disk space used.
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07:18<pparadis>zulu: the destination (ext4) is, i presume, a freshly formatted filesystem. i also presume the old (ext3) filesystem could have a bit of fragmentation built up over time.
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07:19<pparadis>zulu: i'm sure you already have solid backups of your data, but in case you don't, this would be a good time to make another copy, perhaps using dd from the old disk to a disk you're going to stick in a safe before you proceed.
07:19<zulu>ok, I feel safe now... thanks pparadis
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07:19<pparadis>you can never have too many backups :)
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07:21<diego>any help with the sound :) ?
07:22*pparadis doesn't have any clues.
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07:26<txomon|home>where may I propose a program to be included in debian?
07:26<zulu>pparadis: yes in fact the whole archive is already a backup ;)
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07:28<abrotman>txomon|home: you file an RFP bug
07:29<txomon|home>link abrotman ?
07:29<abrotman>!tell txomon|home about rfp
07:29<abrotman>!tell txomon|home about wnpp
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07:29<txomon|home>ty!
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07:30<diego>I have found the problem with my sound, but Im not sure how to really solve it
07:30<diego>3.2.0-2-amd64 kernel version screws up
07:31<diego>Im using 3.2.0-1
07:31<diego>any help on fixing the sound in the new kernel ?
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07:32<diego>I can live with 3.2.0-1 for now, Im worry that they will keep the bug later
07:32<diego>I will want to update at one point
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07:34<abrotman>so you file a bug
07:34<abrotman>judd: kernels
07:34<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.18-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.17-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
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07:34<txomon|home>abrotman, how may I request for this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545583 ?
07:34<txomon|home>it is already filled..
07:35<diego>its current wheezy / sid kernel
07:35<abrotman>so it's already requested ...
07:35<txomon|home>abrotman, but it says something about that has changed the state...
07:36<abrotman>txomon|home: from ITP to RFP .. which is the same thing you would have filed
07:36<diego>that bug is not a sound bug
07:36<diego>is it ?
07:36<abrotman>no ..
07:36<txomon|home>hum ok. Is there any karma stuff in debian's bug tracker ?
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07:37<diego>so, the new kernel breaks my alsa
07:37<diego>(somehow)
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07:37<abrotman>diego: so file a bug
07:37<abrotman>txomon|home: this is not ubuntu
07:37<diego>sure, I can file a bug, but what info should I give
07:37<txomon|home>abrotman, well, maybe you had a marker so that you could know which packages are more interesting to people
07:37<diego>saying my sound just doesnt work and my sound card is vague
07:38<abrotman>txomon|home: this isn't ubuntu, we don't do those silly things .. if you're interested, help create the packages
07:38<txomon|home>that is true
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07:43<The>hola
07:43<The>hello
07:43<abrotman>hi?
07:43<The>k tal?
07:44<The>UNA COSA esto para que sirve
07:44<abrotman>!es
07:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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07:44<The>que significa
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07:44<The>passera
07:44<The>??
07:45<abrotman>english here
07:45<The>ok
07:45<The>the are some park
07:45<The>there aren't any monument plis
07:46<abrotman>The: do you have a question about Debian ?
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07:46<The>yes
07:46<abrotman>and?
07:47<The>what the matter?
07:47<abrotman>The: do you have a question about Debian ?
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07:47<The>que significa
07:47<The>en spain
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07:47<abrotman>The: this channel is for Debian support
07:47<abrotman>The: if you want to speak spanish, try #debian-es
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08:03<loughkb>Hello
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08:04<loughkb>Is anybody on?
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08:04<txomon|home>loughkb, yes
08:04<loughkb>I have a question regarding Debian testing.
08:05<towo`>then you should read the topic
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08:05<abrotman>why?
08:05<abrotman>loughkb: please ask
08:05<loughkb>bash: strings: command not found
08:05<abrotman>loughkb: install the apt-file package, apt-file update; apt-file search strings
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08:06<loughkb>Ahhh, a corner of the apt universe I was not yet aware of! apt-file... Will do, thanks.
08:07<loughkb>Although I was very surprised not finding strings installed by default. That's a pretty common tool.
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08:08<abrotman>depends how you installed the system
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08:10<loughkb>Still, I kind of expect a few things to always be there by default, like grep for example.
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08:24<loughkb>Does anybody know what package contains the 'strings' command?
08:24<pparadis>binutils
08:24<abrotman>loughkb: why didn't apt-file tell you ?
08:25<loughkb>binutils is already the newest version.
08:25<loughkb>Oh, wait, now suddenly it's there!?!?! That's weird. Ok, thanks.
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08:26<abrotman>magic
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09:12<proc>I need to grab the source code from the repos. How it that down with apt.
09:12<proc>some code .. lol
09:13<babilen>proc: "man apt-get" -- Read about the "source" command.
09:14<proc>The make script for the Tor Browser Bundle over at the Tor Foundation pulls packets that not securely signed. Going to use Debian as a base for the Tor builds.
09:14<babilen>proc: Or learn about "debcheckout" and "dget" (both in devscripts)
09:14<proc>are they using apt-secure?
09:15<proc>the make script now is using wget ... really bad.
09:16<babilen>apt-get is, debcheckout uses whatever is appropriate (e.g. it will checkout a git repo if the source package is maintained in one)
09:16<pparadis>is it at least using HTTPS?
09:16<proc>I could use HTTPS only if Convergence or Monkeysphere is in charge
09:17<pparadis>sure
09:17<babilen>To be clear: I am referring to Debian source packages here. Not to upstream's source. (orig.tar.{gz,xz} in Debian parlance)
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09:18<proc>kk. I check it out. Thx
09:22<proc>wut ... this easy? apt-get source packagename
09:22<proc>:)
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09:25<safinaskar>is "man apt.conf" complete? does it content all options or some only?
09:27<pparadis>safinaskar: you might also enjoy the info page.
09:28<safinaskar>pparadis: "info apt.conf" gives me same as "man apt.conf"
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09:29<Kunda>is there an equivalent to OS X's cat file | pbcopy
09:29<Kunda>(copy contents of file in to memory buffer)
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09:33<CaBa>Kunda: did you even try google.
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09:34<Kunda>CaBa: wasn't sure how to word the search to get what I was looking for.
09:35<CaBa>i'd suggest "command line clipboard linux"
09:36<Kunda>CaBa, oh yea, I don't have X installed
09:36<Kunda>so Xclip is out of the picture
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09:39<abrotman>so you want like a ram drive?
09:39<CaBa>Kunda: so you are working only on the commandline? what on earth do you want with the commandline then?
09:39<CaBa>ehm
09:39<CaBa>with the clipboard
09:39<Kunda>i'm sshing in to a box. I want to pipe the contents of a directory in to my buffer so I can quickly paste it somewhere. thats the scenario
09:40<Kunda>s/directory/file/
09:40<abrotman>Kunda: where do you eventually want the data?
09:40<Kunda>abrotman, i'd like to paste it in to a pastebin
09:40<CaBa>Kunda: there are programs for pastebin
09:40<abrotman>!tell Kunda about pastebinit
09:41<CaBa>Kunda: and anyway.. when you are using 'ssh' there is *no* way any serverside tool will modify your *client* clipboard
09:41<abrotman>see, asking the real questoin is much more fun :)
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09:42<Kunda>abrotman, I'm learning :)
09:42<Kunda>abrotman, but I'm learning there is no remote buffer mechanism if X is not installed
09:43<abrotman>is pbcopy really "remote" ?
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09:43<Kunda>abrotman, Not sure. I've not ssh'd remotely in to OS X to experiment with it.
09:44<abrotman>doesn't seem like it
09:44<Kunda>abrotman, well, wanted to be sure. Therefore I asked :)
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09:46<txomon|home>abrotman, how was THE way to download isos in debian?
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09:46<txomon|home>which*
09:47<abrotman>uh what?
09:47<txomon|home>debian has a way to download cds
09:47<abrotman>get the stable netinst wiht your preferred download app ?
09:47<abrotman>txomon|home: jigdo ?
09:47<txomon|home>that
09:47<txomon|home>ty, I was trying to remember the name
09:47<txomon|home>:D
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09:51<pparadis>Kunda: http://paste.debian.net/172646/ ;)
09:52<pparadis>Kunda: http://paste.debian.net/172647/
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09:57<vassalli>video appare sotto sopra su sky come mai
09:58<daemonkeeper>Sicuramente no stai cercando #debian.
09:59<Kunda>pparadis, very cool. the pastebininit page doesn't have any option to specify if the output is to be flagged private (say for security sensitive info like IPs and usernames).
09:59<pparadis>Ips are not security sensitive.
09:59<pparadis>IPs, even.
10:00<pparadis>optimally, username disclosure should not have a massive impact on most things, either.
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10:00<Kunda>well, I meant that an IP can be sensitive info if someone derives from your paste information about your system
10:00<pparadis>but if these are things that you remain concerned about, you're probably better off not using an automated pastebin tool. :)
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10:01<pparadis>Kunda: there are many, many, more automated and nasty ways to get useful information about your services.
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10:04<vassalli>ho istallato debian 6.05 con skype vedo il mio video sotto sopra
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10:07<Kunda>looks like apt-get installed pastebinit v1.1 when pastebinit is at 1.2 What is the way to use apt-get to install 1.2 or do I need to do things manually ?
10:08<pparadis>does 1.2 have a particular feature that you need?
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10:08<Kunda>pparadis, it may :)
10:08<Marillion>vassalli: this channel is english only
10:09<pparadis>Kunda: probably best to answer that question definitively before going down that road. :)
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10:10<pparadis>Kunda: the short answer is that a newer version of that package isn't in backports, although if you wanted to you could certainly go the manual route, or install a deb from upstream, but i wouldn't recommend it unless you really need some new feature.
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10:11<pparadis>!tell Kunda about sns
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10:12<Kunda>SNS :)
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10:21<pparadis>Kunda: you may wish to alter /etc/pastebin.d/paste.debian.net.conf and use that profile.
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10:33<xxsweetxxdivaxx>hoi
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10:37<Kunda>pparadis, perfect
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10:49<D3bash3r>http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/23200000/Nyan-cat-Wallpaper-nyan-cat-23287290-1191-670.jpg
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10:50<kusanagi>when i do an apt-get update it get all kind of diffs instead of downloading the packages files
10:50<kusanagi>this is my conf, but i dont see anything weird http://paste.debian.net/172652/
10:50<kusanagi>can anybody help me figure it out what i touched?
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10:55<pparadis>Kunda: you might try "grep -iR diff /etc/apt/"
10:55<pparadis>and see if anything is listed there.
10:56<kusanagi>pparadis, yup, i did that already :S
10:56<kusanagi>nothing
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10:57<pparadis>kusanagi: um, what version of debian are you running?
10:57<kusanagi>testing
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11:00<pparadis>kusanagi: can you please pastebin what you're seeing when you "apt-get update"?
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11:02<kusanagi>pparadis, http://paste.debian.net/172654/
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11:02<pparadis>kusanagi: what happens when you "apt-get clean ; apt-get update" ?
11:03<Guest2560>After a new install yesterday, I have not been able to do a security update. Whichever mirror I choose, I get errors such as this:
11:03<Guest2560>Get:6 http://mirror.peer1.net squeeze/contrib i386 Packages [54.1 kB]
11:03<Guest2560>Ign http://mirror.peer1.net squeeze/updates/main Sources
11:03<Guest2560>Ign http://mirror.peer1.net squeeze/updates/contrib Sources
11:03<Guest2560>Err http://mirror.peer1.net squeeze/updates/main Sources
11:03<Guest2560> 404 Not Found
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11:04<pparadis>kusanagi: actually, more to the point, please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list as well
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11:06<kusanagi>pparadis, http://paste.debian.net/172655/
11:06<pparadis>kusanagi: why are you mixing wheezy and sid repos in your sources?
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11:07<scott_>hello
11:07<kusanagi>pparadis, well, i have pinning for those
11:07<scott_>anyone know how to write the os for the rasberry pi on ubuntu
11:07<kusanagi>i onlyinstall from wheezy and eventually something from sid
11:07<scott_>cant get it to work
11:07<Guest2560>here is my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/172659/
11:07<pparadis>!tell scott_ about ubuntu
11:08<kusanagi>!tell kusanagi about ubuntu
11:08<scott_>im trying to get the debian os on the card for it to work
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11:10<pparadis>kusanagi: that last apt-get update output looks normal.
11:10<kusanagi>pparadis, Packages/DiffIndex <-- isnt this still looking for diffs?
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11:11<Guest2560>Not sure why I get errors trying to update a fresh install of Debian. paste.debian.net/172659/
11:12<kusanagi>Guest2560, --> http://mirror.peer1.net try another mirror
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11:12<N3WB13>hi
11:12<dualboot>kusanagi: Try "apt-get update -o Acquire::PDiffs=false" to avoid the diff downloads. Didn't try it myself as I am OK with the default behavior I get. Man page listing it is "apt.conf(5)".
11:13<Guest2560>kusanagi: I've tried several already.
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11:13<pparadis>kusanagi: pulling diffs of package indexes is normal; it shouldn't download the entire list again if it doesn't have to, right?
11:13<abrotman>Guest2560: what are the errors?
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11:14<kusanagi>dualboot, that could actually make sense... the default its to look for diffs :) it works now i somehow removed it
11:14<Guest2560>abrotman: Here is the end of an apt-get update. paste.debian.net/172660/
11:14<kusanagi>well pparadis not really... with a good conections diffs take much longer
11:15<pparadis>kusanagi: i guess the real question i'm asking is why do you not want to download the list diffs? it's better for the mirrors. how often do you run apt-get update anyhow?
11:16<kusanagi>pparadis, i see... i dont know, because this are machines that i rarely touch... its when i do an update it takes forever... i didnt notice the diff search was the default behaviour in my other boxes
11:16<kusanagi>so i guess its a sane default
11:16<kusanagi>:D
11:16<pparadis>:)
11:17<N3WB13>i have a simple problem but i still don't found the solution >.<: this is the problem: http://pastebin.com/ZAxDZ5yQ
11:17<pparadis>N3WB13: that's an ubuntu related problem.
11:18<sney>!ubuntuirc N3WB13
11:18<dpkg>N3WB13: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
11:21<pparadis>Guest2560: peer1 appears to have misconfigured mirrors. please select other mirrors, or just try this for /etc/apt/sources.list and then do "apt-get update" --> http://paste.debian.net/172664/
11:21<Guest2560>kusanagi: abrotman: I changed servers, but still get the same error: paste.debian.net/172663/
11:22<pparadis>Guest2560: did you get exactly the same error?
11:22<Guest2560>pparadis: thanks. what is the easiest way to open sources.list as root into gedit?
11:22<abrotman>dn't use gedit
11:22<pparadis>Guest2560: open a terminal, do "su - root", and use nano/vim/whatever.
11:23<Apollo>http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ # Is an excellent site to generate your sources.list
11:23<abrotman>Guest2560: those aren't errors
11:23<Guest2560>using gedit before may have been the problem...maybe there is a hidden character in there now
11:23<abrotman>Apollo: that's an AWFUL site, no one should use it
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11:24<Apollo>abrotman: and why is that?
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11:25<abrotman>it makes it very easy yto make a horribly broken sources.list
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11:26<kusanagi>there should be a package to make a nice sources.list
11:26<kusanagi>apt-spy is too complicated
11:27<pparadis>kusanagi: netselect-apt -n squeeze --source --nonfree newsources.list
11:27<abrotman>kusanagi: used to be apt-setup
11:27<pparadis>source/nonfree optional of course
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11:27<sney>I believe synaptic automates it as well, plus just knowing the syntax since it's really straightforward
11:28<pparadis>oops on my last, forget a ">"
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11:28<kusanagi>sney, the thing is... the more noob you are, the more likely u need a fresh nice sources.list... once you know everything, you dont need that package anymore
11:28<Guest2560>if i delete my sources.list, will running software sources or synaptic create another one?
11:28<pparadis>no
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11:28<pparadis>oh wait
11:29<sney>for a noob, a 'fresh nice sources.list' is 1-2 lines and is typically created by the installer.
11:29<It9001>Hey guys
11:29<pparadis>you're talking about those gui apps...
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11:29<It9001>sney where is the best place to find repos for newbies?
11:29<pparadis>Guest2560: it probably will, but why would you want to do that? it seems much more sensible to figure out what's happening here.
11:30<It9001>ex. Wolfenstein Enemy Territory?
11:30<sney>newbies should just stick with the default repositories. once you know what you're doing, and are no longer a newbie, then you can go find 3rd party stuff
11:30<It9001>well I use open box and I mess with config files all day
11:30<sney>3rd party repos can easily break the system and they aren't supported here so some experience is strongly recommended
11:30<kusanagi>yeah sney, but its easy to broke it... in my experience, i had hard times in the begining trying to make some simple changes to sources.list... i tried packages that auto generate it and i finally went to google coz it was too complicated... now i can type them from scratch... and i dont need those weird packages :/
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11:31<sney>thankfully, if you try to modify the default settings and it breaks something, you can get free support here, #debian on freenode, the debian-user ml, and at least one debian forum
11:32<It9001>sney: I already added the debian non-free repos so i could get non-free java, etc.
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11:32<sney>It9001, so it sounds like you aren't really a newbie. I don't know where ET is hosted, though. perhaps google knows.
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11:33<kusanagi>sney, my point is that it would have been nice to have an apt-get regenerate stable or testing with sane defaults to get back online once i break it... :) of course there are already ways to do it, like come here asking for help
11:33<It9001>Suppose so, time for me to stop being lazy and open up google... lol
11:34<sney>kusanagi, hm fair enough. maybe there's a way to trigger debconf to regenerate the same one that d-i creates
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11:35<It9001>Debian wiki ftw <3
11:35<kusanagi>debian wiki is often outdated :( and stuff changes often enough
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11:36<kusanagi>in my experience wiki </3
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11:36<sney>it's outdated, the search is terrible, it's in dire need of replacement
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11:36<sney>but some information on there is useful, especially for support of uncommon network adapters etc.
11:36<kusanagi>thats a little harsh, but some1 had to say it... i didnt dare, coz i dont have time to do it
11:36<kusanagi>xD
11:36<It9001>I like the wiki
11:37<It9001>it turns me slightly more into the right direction
11:37<katerina>ciao
11:37<sney>some developers were talking about how it is going to be replaced with ikiwiki at some point. but that was months ago, so I don't know if any progress has been made
11:38<It9001>hmm
11:38<abrotman>kusanagi: uh, you could edit the wiki
11:39<pparadis>you know, i was just gonna mention how this seems like a "people problem."
11:39<It9001>so how do you guys like to run debian?
11:39<pparadis>It9001: on a server, via a terminal.
11:39<It9001>I use debian with Openbox (no gnome or other DE's)
11:40<It9001>nice pparadis
11:40<It9001>I don't use the debian testing repos
11:40<It9001>had a long history of problems with them :(
11:41*pparadis runs stable and is quite happy that way.
11:41<kusanagi>abrotman, yeah, i could... but i think it lacks a proper design... for example... i would froze the wiki for each release and start editing for next release... so the info dont get outdated
11:41<sney>I deploy stable but I use testing
11:42<kusanagi>and separate releases info
11:42<It9001>I just use stable
11:42<pparadis>kusanagi: what do you do about errors that need to be fixed on what you've "frozen?"
11:42<It9001>when will we have debian 7.0?
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11:42<sney>!wwwr
11:42<dpkg>I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg00009.html
11:42<pparadis>when it is ready.
11:43<It9001>:( I hope it comes this month
11:43<pparadis>i find that very unlikely.
11:43<txomon|home>hey, do you want to see something impressive? have a look into this http://pastebin.com/SJfuGSDG
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11:43<kusanagi>i mean freeze in the sense that make a copy from the old into the new release with clear different versions like apache do, for example... that way you know you are making modifications that are relevant
11:44<sney>the freeze comes this month. the release will come later, after a lot of bug squashing.
11:44<kusanagi>not freeze in the sense that is unchangable
11:44<sney>txomon|home, D:
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11:44<It9001>i hope 7.0 doesen't break my broadcom wifi :(
11:44<txomon|home>sney, one guy came with that to the #ubuntu-es channel telling us he had problems with the software center
11:44<sney>txomon|home, haha, I bet.
11:45<txomon|home>that computer booted!
11:45<kusanagi>wheezy will be out not before september xD
11:45<pparadis>kusanagi: basically you want separate wikis for each branch.
11:45<sney>well, it was probably mostly sid at that point
11:45<kusanagi>well, yes pparadis
11:45<pparadis>kusanagi: that's probably not a bad idea, but would come with additional human maintenance requirements.
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11:46<txomon|home>sney, or ubuntu lucid
11:46<It9001>Debian is the best distro ever
11:46<It9001>I hope it never dies :D
11:46<pparadis>txomon|home: that sources.list made me cry.
11:46<txomon|home>you always can do mixes like this http://pastebin.com/SJfuGSDG xDD (it is a JOKE do not do it)
11:46<txomon|home>pparadis, me too
11:46<txomon|home>the guy is still in #ubuntu-es
11:47<kusanagi>well, pparadis i right now do not edit wiki, because it seems like a waste of time... but i would edit it with my own experiences if i could see a more structured wiki
11:47<txomon|home>he told us that he wanted more "free software"
11:47<kusanagi>right now i see the wiki like random notes unrelated
11:48<pparadis>what it needs is a team of documentation volunteers who collaborate with the specific aim of producing quality documentation.
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11:49<kusanagi>i dont think there is lack of ppl willing to contribute to wiki, but creating the whole structure seems like too much work indeed
11:49<pparadis>creating and maintaining structure is something a core team of volunteers would need to be responsible for.
11:49<pparadis>then anybody would be able to continuously edit and expand on that.
11:50<pparadis>but yes, it would be a lot of work, especially in the early stages.
11:50<It9001>Guys, is there any way of getting a Movistar dongle working with debian?
11:50<kusanagi>yup... i cant step up for the task, to tell you the truth... xD too much on my shoulders right now
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11:51*pparadis mumbles something about founding a well known linux documentation site for a certain hosting company he used to work for.
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11:51<pparadis>this is actually something i'm going to give some more thought.
11:51<It9001>pparadis can you do that :D
11:52<pparadis>what, the dongle?
11:52<pparadis>or the documentation? :)
11:52<It9001>both
11:52<kusanagi>this is like quality translations... those who can do it right, dont need it... and those who need it, cant do it right
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11:53<pparadis>dongle, i have no idea. documentation, sure, i can absolutely be part of a team that does that. the question is of course primarily one of time and coordination with other people. i am interesting in a serious effort at it, though, and am going to think about it more.
11:53<It9001>okay
11:53<It9001>thats cool
11:53<It9001>:3
11:54<pparadis>s/interesting/interested/ <-- as i talk about documentation ;)
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11:54<It9001>xD
11:54*pparadis has been awake for 24+ hours, and is starting to make grammatical mistakes. time for bed. good night (or good day) everyone. \o
11:54<kusanagi>gn!
11:54<It9001>good night!
11:55<It9001>btw
11:55<It9001>dont forget to enter commands to break your system
11:55<It9001>:D
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12:50<bt5_nleknh>Test message.
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12:56<jhutchins>pass
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12:59<blen2r>hello!
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13:41<superman>can i I install the fglrx 6.12 beta that are present in the repo debian sid in my testing?
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13:53<mega0wn3r>Windows just borked itself. Any help? I select the Windows bootloader from my xubuntu install and then select Windows and xubuntu boots.
13:53<mega0wn3r>This is right after letting chkdsk do it's thing.
13:54<scientes>mega0wn3r, and that is a bad thing? ;)
13:55<abrotman>scientes: how does that seem related to #debian ?
13:55<mega0wn3r>I have things to do on Windows
13:55<abrotman>mega0wn3r: you sohuld ask #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net
13:55<mega0wn3r>I'm banned from #ubuntu and #xubuntu and #kubuntu
13:55<scientes>!ubuntuirc
13:55<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
13:55<abrotman>mega0wn3r: then use ##linux .. This is not a #debian problem
13:55<scientes>^^^
13:55<mega0wn3r>I just didn't know where to go
13:56<mega0wn3r>thx
13:56<abrotman>this certainly isn't it
13:56<scientes>unless you install debian ;)
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14:08<albins>I'm in some serious trouble.
14:08<albins>I have a system running debian wheezy. It has a graphics card from ATI with the r770 chip.
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14:09<abrotman>and fglrx doesn't work anymore?
14:09<albins>Now X won't work with the radeon driver, and hasn't for some time
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14:09<albins>and the new version of fglrx don't work either since support for my card is dropped
14:09<albins>and I can't find an older version
14:11<albins>DRM keeps spewing this on dmesg: [22988.318889] [drm] wait for fifo failed status : 0xE57004A4 0x00FF0F02
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14:11<albins>does anybody have any idea of what to do? I've tried blacklisting the DRM driver, but it doesn't work either, and I have no idea why.
14:11<scientes>irc://irc.freenode.net/radeon <--also try there
14:12<albins>Basically anything that would get standard 2D xorg running would help
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14:12<abrotman>albins: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
14:12<albins>scientes: Thanks, I'll try them
14:12<scientes>^
14:12<albins>abrotman: Yes, I do
14:12<scientes>you should rm it
14:12<scientes>or at least rename it
14:12<albins>hm.
14:12<abrotman>albins: have you tried putting it aside and trying ?
14:12<albins>good idea, I actually haven't tried that
14:12<abrotman>scientes: rm? really? do you always destroy tihngs?
14:13<albins>and,uh, that's probably the only thing I haven't tried at this point! :)
14:13<scientes>abdulkarim, when they are tied to a vcs, yes ;)
14:13<vhann>Hi, Debian Squeeze here. I am upgrading my server from 4 500GB drives (RAID 5) to 2 2TB (RAID 1) drives. The new drives are "Advanced Format" (4k sectors). Everything worked so far (mdadm raid creation, ext4 and swap setup). The problem is I can't mount the xfs fs I created on the last (huge partition) (xfs_repair says it can't find superblocks).
14:13<vhann>... Everything worked so far (mdadm raid creation, ext4 and swap setup). The problem is I can't mount the xfs fs I created on the last (huge partition) (xfs_repair says it can't find superblocks).
14:13<vhann>... Anybody knows something about this?
14:14<albins>It's in times like these that I'm really happy I have a back-up laptop...
14:14<albins>and really angry at myself for not sticking with debian stable
14:14<abrotman>scientes: you have problems .. :)
14:15<vhann>Oh lol, nevermind guys, I am an idiot
14:15<DennisTheTiger>Fixing on dist-upgrading from squeeze to wheezy. Are there any known issues with the process that I should know about prior to committing to the dist-upgrade?
14:15<abrotman>DennisTheTiger: ATI drivers are all messed up at the moment
14:15<DennisTheTiger>abrotman: Oh bugger all.
14:15<DennisTheTiger>abrotman: how messed up?
14:15<abrotman>DennisTheTiger: more of a problem with newer cards
14:16<DennisTheTiger>abrotman: How newer?
14:16<abrotman>FIIK, do you require FGLRX ?
14:16<DennisTheTiger>Not sure, hang on...
14:17<albins>abrotman: still getting the same error, and Xorg hangs before loading the GDM greeter
14:17<albins>with "error" I mean "DRM error in dmesg"
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14:18<DennisTheTiger>abrotman: Not showing up in 'dpkg -l *fglrx*', going to double check to see if there's a list I'm on. FWIW, Radion HD 5700 under the hood.
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14:19<abrotman>whihc model exaclty?
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14:20<abrotman>although, the radeon man page seems to imply it should work without fglrx
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14:21<DennisTheTiger>abrotman: Can't remember the model. How would I find it without disassembly? Mind you, she works perfectly fine....
14:22<DennisTheTiger>abrotman: Yanno what, hang on. I can look at the newegg invoice from when I bought this last year. =)
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14:23<vhann>Hum, is it normal I get "function unimplemented" when doing "mount -t xfs" in Squeeze? Both xfsprogs and xfsdump are installed and I did "modprobe xfs"
14:24<DennisTheTiger>abrotman: GIGABYTE GV-R577UD-1GD Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
14:24<albins>interesting. xorg.0.log doesn't seem to indicate any problem
14:24<albins>if I were to report a bug on a package for this, which package would that be?
14:24<albins>it seems to be related to either the radeon or DRM kernel module
14:25<albins>rather than the radeon Xorg driver
14:25<albins>but I can't really say I'm sure
14:25<Marillion>vhann: and when you don't without "-t xfs use it?
14:25<ex0a>how can i get adduser to preserve acl modifications to directories/files under /etc/skel?
14:26<abrotman>DennisTheTiger: according to the man page, should be okay
14:26<DennisTheTiger>abrotman: Which man page are you looking at?
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14:27<abrotman>albins: you have to find a proble to report a bug ;)
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14:27*DennisTheTiger needs coffee...
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14:27<albins>abrotman: well, that's the hard part, isn't it
14:28<albins>I guess "my graphics card won't work with the radeon driver and DRM spews errors on dmesg" is a bit too vague
14:28<vhann>Marillion: With and without, I get the same message
14:29<DennisTheTiger>vhann: Hey, you said you're using ext4 as that fs. What happens if you try '-t ext4' instead?
14:29<Marillion>vhann: pebcak? squeeze are supoorted xfs by the kernel
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14:29<ph2012>Hello! Debian testing freezing constantly with libreoffice.. My workaround is to kill xorg. But it is impossible to work in this way. Any idea?
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14:30<vhann>DennisTheTiger: No, ext4 is on the other partitions, that particular partition is xfs (I know, I just did mkfs.xfs on it minutes ago)
14:30<DennisTheTiger>ph2012: How much RAM do you have?
14:30<DennisTheTiger>vhann: eh, good point. Like I said, I need coffee. =)
14:30<ph2012>about 3mega
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14:31<vhann>Marillion: Maybe, still, updatedb && locate mount.xfs finds nothing
14:31<DennisTheTiger>ph2012: ...am I correct in assuming that you're running 3 GB, not 3 MB?
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14:31<ph2012>yes, sorry my mistake
14:31<ph2012>Actually 3,8 GB
14:32<Marillion>vhann: is xfsprogs installed?
14:32<albins>interesting
14:32<DennisTheTiger>ph2012: Was gonna say, there's your answer. =^_^= Run top in a CLI console as root, and fire it up. What's it doing for resources?
14:32<albins>apparently, I had an old module config file that disabled kernel mode setting
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14:33<albins>and when I disabled this I 1. got error messages about invalid EDID on the console during start-up and 2. XORG STARTED!!!
14:33<albins>let's see if my real config runs
14:33<albins>uh
14:33<albins>if it does, I'm seriously going to do the dance of joy
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14:34<abrotman>happy happy joy joy
14:34<DennisTheTiger>HAPPY.
14:35<albins>ah
14:35<Marillion>vhann: and for the memory, the XFS filesystem are shipped and supported by squeeze (Debian)
14:35<albins>my second monitor won't work
14:35<albins>because of the problem with an invalid EDID
14:35<albins>funny how it worked just fine with radeon before, then with fglrx
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14:37<vhann>Marillion: Yes, xfsprogs and xfsdump are both installed. I will try to look deeper into this. Thanks for your help nonetheless (going afk)
14:38<Marillion>vhann: you're welcome
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14:41<vassalli>hi
14:41<MagikK>hi
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14:41<ph2012>DennisTheTiger: seems that libreoffice is not requesting to much resource
14:41<vassalli>immaggine webcam upside down
14:42<DennisTheTiger>Huh. Like a few percent at most?
14:42<vortek>hello, is there some sort of gui for wireless in debian?
14:42<vassalli>debian 6.05
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14:42<vassalli>tancks
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14:43<DennisTheTiger>vortek: Yes.
14:43<DennisTheTiger>vortek: In fact, there are several.
14:43<ompaul>vortek: what desktop do you run?
14:43<vortek>i run the default
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14:44<vassalli>how to solve the problem upside down immaggine
14:44<vortek>wich shall i use?
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14:44<DennisTheTiger>!tell vassalli about ask
14:44<Marillion>vortek: is ok, do you would like "wicd"
14:45<ompaul>vortek: do you mean you run gnome?
14:45<vortek>ok wicd it is
14:45<ompaul>!tell vortek about wireless
14:45<vortek>ompaul: its the default wm im running
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14:46<vassalli>how to solve through
14:46<ph2012>DennisTheTiger: according to top, for libreoffice RES =512
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14:47<ph2012> DennisTheTiger: %CPU =0 %Mem = 0
14:48<DennisTheTiger>ph2012: Less than 1% of those resources then. I don't have it installed - yet. Let me give it a shot, hang on. Mind you, currently running stable.
14:48<vassalli>there is a resolution to the problem
14:48<vortek>looks like i have to compile my wireless card into the kernel
14:48<vassalli>cheese
14:48<vortek>wicd gave me errors
14:48<Marillion>vassalli: what is your native language?
14:48<ompaul>vortek: no
14:49<ompaul>vortek: now I will again get the bot to send you a message
14:49<vassalli>No one answers
14:49<vassalli>mort
14:49<vassalli>assent
14:49<ompaul>!tell vortek about wireless
14:49<ompaul>!tell vassalli about enter
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14:50<DennisTheTiger>Woah, holy crap, didn't know that libre would conflict with openoffice...
14:50<Marillion>vassalli: are you a troll? or what?
14:50<ph2012>DennisTheTiger: Ok, thanks
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14:50<DennisTheTiger>Marillion: I'd have to guess italian for him, he's in #debian-it as well.
14:51<Marillion>DennisTheTiger: ah ok
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14:51<umberto>ciao a tutti
14:51<Marillion>!it
14:51<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
14:51<ex0a>anyone know how i can get adduser to preserve acl modifications to directories/files under /etc/skel?
14:52<vortek>ompaul, what package has hwinfo
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14:52<DennisTheTiger>!tell vortek about hwinfo
14:52<Marillion>vortek: for this anwser, use apt-file for that
14:53<vortek>ty
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14:53<DennisTheTiger>vortek: A general rule is this - you can usually find a package containing a file, based on descriptions, with 'apt-cache search'. If you can't decipher it because you get sprayed with results, go for apt-file.
14:54<DennisTheTiger>vortek: There are other options to do this with, but that's a good start. For other fun stuff, best bet is to rtfm. =)
14:55<vortek>tanxs
14:55<DennisTheTiger>np
14:55<vortek>hwinfo spits some data then returns to clear screen and more wont help
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14:56<albins>Hm. Actually now that I think about it, it seems that there is probably something subtly wrong with my display device
14:56<albins>making it report an invalid edid
14:57<albins>because my BIOS won't display anything on it either
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14:57<kaiyou>ex0a, simply modify your adduser script (:
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14:59<kaiyou>ex0a, you simply have to edit the create_homedir subroutine and have it fit your needs
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15:01<DennisTheTiger>ph2012: Bit of a delay to attempt to reproduce. I'm currently trying to run it, but it warns me of a conflict with my old hostname. Need to solve that first before I run stuff. =^^=;;
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15:02<ph2012>DennisTheTiger: Thanks very much....
15:02<DennisTheTiger>ph2012: OK, I'm in. What exactly do you do in order to get your system to freeze up? (Mind you, I'm running Squeeze - while it doesn't seem relevant, it would determine if this were an issue with LibreOffice, or potentially with Wheezy.)
15:03<ompaul>ph2012: asking in two channels is bad form mostly the same people will help
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15:04<DennisTheTiger>gah!
15:04<Marillion>crosspost is a bad idea
15:04<Marillion>always
15:04<DennisTheTiger>Is there activity on this in #debian-next?
15:05<ompaul>a bit
15:05<babilen>DennisTheTiger: I just started, but am sulking now and won't continue.
15:05<DennisTheTiger>babilen: Buck up, buster! =^_^=
15:06<ph2012>DennisTheTiger: I am working with regular text file in Write, and suddenly the freezing occurs. I only can move the cursor
15:06<ompaul>where has libreoffice gone?
15:07*ompaul thinks ph2012 needs to write an essay in http://paste.debian.net explaining all the "features" and so on
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15:07<DennisTheTiger>ph2012: Is it consistently after the same amount of time?
15:08<mzhk93>hi! ^_^
15:08<ex0a>kaiyou: i guess i will, i just was hoping there was another method instead of modifying them myself
15:08<DennisTheTiger>I have a suspicion that it may be related to autosave.
15:09<mzhk93>I new. I am Rus. =) I am no speak engl. =\
15:09<kaiyou>ex0a, adduser code is pretty clear, it is copying invidual files in perl, thus deleting any acl rule, i don't see any other method than rewriting this
15:09<Marillion>!ru
15:09<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
15:09<Marillion>mzhk93: ^
15:09<mzhk93>senk!
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15:10<ex0a>kaiyou: yeah i've opened the script up to look, i'll probably just create a separate version of it for my modifications that way i don't have to worry about it being overwritten with updates
15:10<It9001>Debian has a russian irc channel now?
15:10<It9001>o.O
15:10<ex0a>kaiyou: thank you for your input
15:11<kaiyou>np
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15:12<ph2012>DennisTheTiger: The freezing occurs randomly, no consistently after the same amount of time
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15:14<DennisTheTiger>ph2012: Well, that eliminates autosave from the equation.
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15:15<ph2012> I am sorry about the asking in two channel, I really did not know about this
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15:16<DennisTheTiger>ph2012: Don't think anyone's gonna hold it against you, but the debug is probably better handled in #debian-next. I'm suspecting it's some interaction between something in Wheezy and LO. On that note, I have to eject from this one. Sorry.
15:16*Marillion ...obituary for #debian-russian the channel exist over 5 years ago
15:17<ph2012>DennisTheTiger: Ok, thanks....
15:17<DennisTheTiger>ph2012: no problem. Good luck, man.
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15:38<vortek>whats a gui for wireless
15:38<vortek>?
15:38<vortek>wicd doesnt load nothing
15:38<babilen>vortek: network-manager-gnome or wicd come to mind.
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15:38<babilen>so it loads everything?
15:38<vortek>no gui
15:39<vortek>i run it at command, and nothing happens but ps -x shows it running
15:39<babilen>Did you install wicd-gtk or wicd-ncurses? How are you running wicd?
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15:41<vortek>the menu for running it doesn't load it cuase it says cant run in sudu, so i run it as root terminal
15:41<Marillion>sudo is not enabled by default
15:41<vortek>and no gui loads it just loads and nothing happens
15:41<Marillion>not in Debian
15:42<Marillion>unless you enabled it by d-i
15:42<vortek>no
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15:43<vortek>its running now
15:43<Marillion>vortek: for your memory, wicd works fine in squeeze
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15:43<vortek>gui is
15:44<scientes>I can't figure why distcc is n't working here?
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15:44<vortek>bu it just shows my wired card not my wireless
15:44<vortek>bu=but
15:45<Marillion>wicd is for wireless
15:45<vortek>so i need to get my wireless working
15:45<vortek>i went to porperties and nothing shows for wireless
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15:46<vortek>properties
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15:46<babilen>vortek: You need to be a member of the netdev group in order to be able to use wicd and you *don't* have to run either wicd-gtk or wicd-ncurses as root.
15:47<vortek>i ran it as vortek but nothing shows for wireless its empty
15:47<babilen>vortek: Check with "groups" or "id" if you are, in fact, a member of that group. Can you scan for networks with iwlist?
15:47<wes>guys! for some unclear reason, cups-pdf package does not install. dpkg fails to reload cups during it's installation and hangs up. now I can't even purge cups-pdf, because of the same thing: dpkg hangs up. any suggestions? recommendations?
15:47<vortek>babilen, im checking now
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15:48<vortek>no such command
15:48<vortek>babilen, how i install it?
15:48<Marillion>wes: #debian-next is better place for testing/sid
15:48<babilen>vortek: Run "iwlist wlan0 scan" as root. And also don't forget to activate the interface with, say, "ifconfig wlan0 up" (assuming wlan0 *is* your wireless interface)
15:50<vortek>no such device
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15:50<wes>Marillion, thanks, got it
15:51<Marillion>wes: you're welcome
15:51<vortek>babilen, how do i enable , compile it in kernerl?
15:51<babilen>vortek: Ok, please paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network", "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig" to http://paste.debian.net please
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15:55<vortek>babilen, its under vortek
15:56<vortek>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/172696/
15:56<babilen>judd: pciid 8086:008
15:56<babilen>judd: pciid 8086:008a
15:56<judd>[8086:008a] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1030' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:008a
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15:57<scientes>what packages will make foo.local domains work (avahi/bonjour)
15:58<scientes>???
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15:58<babilen>vortek: You need a newer kernel and firmware for that wireless device to work. Please follow "/msg dpkg bdo" and "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" to install the new kernel. Also install firmware-iwlwifi with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-iwlwifi" from backports. Reboot into the new kernel and run the same set of commands, paste it and report back.
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15:59<vortek>k
15:59<babilen>vortek: The "/msg dpkg FOO" are IRC commands that send a private message to our bot dpkg (if that wasn't clear)
15:59<vortek>k
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16:03<vortek>ugg theres not cut and paste in xchat !@#@@
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16:03<e-mode>Hi all. I have a prob since updating my testing the end of May. Pulsaudio and some related packages were upgraded and I lost all the sound on my system. I tried deleting the .pulse directory in my home with no results (aside from making the icon in the top bar in Gnome shell disappear). is it a know prob? any suggestions?
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16:04<vortek>babilen, how i cut and paste in xchat?
16:05<e-mode>vortek: you select with mouse, you move in the edit line where you usually type, right click, choose "Paste"
16:05<vortek>can i paste to console?
16:05<babilen>vortek: Just like everywhere else? (middle mouse button pastes selection), but *please* do *not* paste in here.
16:05<nikola>vortek: shift + insert
16:05<ompaul>vortek: right click over the text you want highlight, left click copy from a menu, and middle button paste
16:06<vortek>i only got to button mouse let me dig up a 3 button
16:07<vortek>:)
16:07<vortek>to=two
16:07<e-mode>what if you click them both together, that should emulate the third one (used to work with my old one)
16:07<babilen>vortek: You can use "right click → copy" (copying) and "right-click → paste" (pasting)
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16:08<babilen>or yeah, click both for middle-button-emulation
16:08<babilen>Or just type the commands!
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16:08<vortek>thanxs
16:09<nikola>I'm having problems with network bridging. Trying to bridge wireless connection and wired one. Can you redirect me to a correct place where to ask, or msg me if you have a minute?
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16:23*xfire78xx sera :)
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16:26<vortek>babilen: it has unmet dependicies
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16:30<babilen>vortek: What does? Please show me your sources.list, the output of "apt-cache policy" the exact command and its output.
16:30<vortek>babilen, when i go to use aptitude to install the kernel i get unmet depends, any way around this?
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16:32<vortek>ok one sec
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16:34<vortek>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/172711/
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16:37<babilen>vortek: Ok, please add "contrib non-free" after "main" for backports as well and then run "apt-get update ; apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-iwlwifi" -- paste the output of *all* these commands.
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16:41<e-mode>thanks anyway. have a good day/night everybody.
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16:43<pepeco1948>hi all
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16:43<tomashead>nunca pude instalar debian!
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16:46<Marillion>!es
16:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:46<Marillion>tomashead: ^
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16:49<vortek>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/172716/
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16:52<babilen>vortek: Looks fine, now reboot. :)
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16:53<vortek>ok wish me luck
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16:56<vortek>babilen, now what should i do?
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16:59<vortek>babilen: rebooted fine
17:00<vortek>babilen, i lost them other steps i was susposed to do :P
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17:09<vhann>Marillion: Found it, I had created a XFS fs with a block size > 4kiB which is not allowed on my OS/arch combination
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17:12<Marillion>vhann: thanks, nice to hear
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17:21<vortek>babilen: ya there?
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18:05<p00d73>Hi, is there a way to remove a program without uninstalling everything that depends on that package?
18:06<nevyn>no. and yes sometimes this is annoying and people have stupid dependancies
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18:06<p00d73>nevyn: the problem is that this involves libcairo2, there is a bug in the version and I have a patched package, but can't install it while the bugged one is still installed
18:07<nevyn>dpkg should take care of that...
18:07<dpkg>nevyn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
18:07<nevyn>shhh you.
18:07<nevyn>p00d73: did you try installing it?
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18:08<p00d73>yes, I get an error
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18:08<nevyn>how did you try installing it?
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18:08<p00d73>dpkg -i "package"
18:08*dpkg removes a liver from p00d73 and replaces it with "package"
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18:09<nevyn>p00d73: .deb?
18:09<p00d73>yes... it says I need to uninstall the repo version first
18:09<nevyn>can you just pastebin the output of that console code?
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18:11<p00d73>nevyn: my terminal doesn't react anymore, I'll restart X, brb
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18:15<frank>Does anyone know of a way to recover/restore data from an lvm partition that was resized using lvresize?
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18:19<nevyn>lvm partition you mean an LV?
18:20<frank>Yes, sorry its a logical volume
18:20<nevyn>frank: was it made smaller or bigger?
18:21<frank>nevyn: Smaller. I thought I was shrinking it 9 Gig but I actually resized it to 9 Gig!
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18:21<nevyn>frank: there is no -L -size option in lvresize
18:22<nevyn>frank: you're sol restore from backup
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18:22<nevyn>hrm
18:22<nevyn>actually
18:22<nevyn>do you have a lvdisplay of the lv before you put it on a hot cycle?
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18:23<frank>nevyn: Not that I'm aware of. Where would I find it?
18:23<nevyn>in your console history
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18:24<nevyn>do you know if it was a simple continguous set of extents?
18:24<nevyn>so try resize to originalsize
18:25<nevyn>if you're LUCKY lvm will allocate the lvm blocks that used to be part of it.
18:25<nevyn>the filesystem
18:25<nevyn>and the data will likely be.. inconsistant tho
18:25<frank>nevyn: Not sure about 'simple continguous extents'
18:25<nevyn>assuming you havn't done other lvm operations in the meantime
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18:25<nevyn>you don't know about lvm that's ok.
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18:26<frank>nevyn: No other lvm operations since I resized.
18:26<nevyn>good
18:26<nevyn>so resize it to the original size
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18:27<frank>nevyn: Ok well I will give it a shot. I sure hope this works.....
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18:31<nevyn>no garuntees
18:31<nevyn>and even if it does.
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18:31<nevyn>your database server and kernel are still going to be mightilly confused
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18:34<frank>nevyn: I resized and mounted the volume. So far so good. Everything looks intact :)
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18:35<nevyn>lucky.
18:36<frank>nevyn: Yes and thank you very much!
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18:36<kidaus>l use Debian Squeeze, l want to install linux-image 3.2, what can l do ?
18:37<nevyn>!next
18:37<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
18:37<nevyn>!squeeze
18:37<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.5>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
18:37<nevyn>!debian-next
18:37<dpkg>#debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net).
18:37<kidaus>.... l search on Repository Debian-Squeeze no package linux-image .32
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18:38<themill>dpkg: tell kidaus about bdo
18:38<nevyn>kidaus: there are backport 3.2 kernels for squeeze
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18:38<nevyn>tell kidaus about bdo kernel
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18:41<kidaus>thankyou
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20:06<onryo>sup debian!
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20:38<vortek>any one here to help?
20:39<sney>!ask
20:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:40<vortek>i have a centrino wireles-n 1030 any chance of it working with debain?
20:40<vortek>the wiki dont list it
20:40<sney>yes, it most likely just needs firmware. do you have the pci id?
20:41<vortek>i think as a last resort i may haveto recompile the kerne;l
20:41<vortek>oh
20:41<vortek>no
20:41<sney>lspci -nn, it's the string that's like [xxxx:xxxx]
20:41<vortek>im on wireless in wintendo right now :(
20:42<jcmeza>does anyone know the syntax to run a command on a different workspace in openbox
20:42<jcmeza>?
20:42<sney>you can get it in windows too, just a sec
20:43<sney>vortek, in msinfo32 it's the first bit of the PNP Device ID
20:43<youlysses-lt>I'm using "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to switch my system to dvorak, but it switches as soon as I reboot. How can I keep it in dvorak?
20:43<sney>jcmeza, no idea, maybe they would know in #openbox
20:44<vortek>ok one sec
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20:46<sney>vortek, e.g. PNP Device ID PCI\VEN_168C&DEV_0013 <- so my pci id is 168c:0013
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20:47<vortek>im trying to find it now
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20:48<vortek>crap theres like 20 adapters listed haha
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20:51<vortek>sney: weres should i be looking under? network adapters?
20:51<sney>yeah, components-network-adapter
20:51<sney>windows does not make this obvious but at least the information is there so I can help you determine if debian supports it
20:52<vortek>k
20:52<sney>on mine, the wifi adapter is second from the bottom
20:52<vortek>cuasetheres lots listed
20:52<vortek>k
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20:53<vortek>found it!
20:54<vortek>huge line
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20:55<vortek>8086 008A
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20:56<vortek>sney: get that?
20:56<sney>,pciid 8086:008a
20:56<judd>[8086:008a] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1030' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:008a
20:56<sney>hmm.
20:56<vortek>yeap thats it
20:57<sney>!iwlagn
20:57<dpkg>The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>.
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20:58<sney>so, install the firmware-iwlwifi package, and if it still doesn't work you may need a newer kernel from backports.
20:58<vortek>i got one
20:58<vortek>i did both these steps
20:59<vortek>but im lost as what to do next
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21:00<jcmeza>"/set beep_when_window_active ON"
21:00<vortek>you gona be here a bit?
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21:00<sney>it should just need to be configured at that point. if you have a desktop environment, install either network-manager or wicd to configure it, or you can use /etc/network/interfaces
21:00<sney>yeah, I'm doing some online shopping, not going anywhere for a while
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21:01<vortek>cuase im gona go hookupto my modem and boot into debian
21:01<sney>vortek, which kernel do you have currently? the wiki says your adapter is only supported by later kernels e.g. 3.2
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21:01<vortek>it will take 10 mins
21:01<vortek>not shure
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21:03<vortek>k brb
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21:12<vortek>back
21:13<vortek>sney: im back in debian
21:13<sney>ok
21:13<vortek>kernel spued some crap bout wireless
21:13<sney>if you do ifconfig -a, what adapters does it show you? you don't have to paste the whole output, just names is fine
21:13<vortek>were is the kernel log
21:13<vortek>ok
21:14<vortek>ifconfig noy found
21:14<vortek>noy not
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21:15<sney>/sbin/ifconfig
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21:16<vortek>shows wlan0 :)
21:16<sney>well there you go, it just needs to be configured.
21:16<vortek>how?
21:16<sney>you can run 'iwlist wlan0 scanning' to see if it's really working
21:17<vortek>k
21:17<sney>and then depending on your configuration, set it up with a networking gui like wicd or network-manager, or use /etc/network/interfaces. 'man 5 interfaces' for help with the latter
21:17<sney>wpasupplicant will be required for wpa encryption
21:17<vortek>iwlist not found
21:18<sney>also in /sbin
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21:18<sney>if it's not installed, it's in the wireless-tools package
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21:19<vortek>i got a ton of output
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21:19<sney>that means it works. iwlist just told you everything about the wireless networks your adapter can see.
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21:19<vortek>cool
21:19<vortek>now what?
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21:21<nut>hi yall
21:21<vortek>wicd just shows my wired card :(
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21:22<sney>vortek, as root run 'ifconfig wlan0 up' and see if it appears
21:22<vortek>k
21:22<nut>which linux u running??
21:23<vortek>no such device
21:23<vortek>debian nut
21:24<nut>oh lol sry i new to it all
21:24<nut>xubuntu is a prt of it i think
21:24<sney>vortek, but I thought you said wlan0 appeared in ifconfig -a
21:24<vortek>well this is the right channel
21:25<vortek>yes sney
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21:25<sney>nut, no, xubuntu is based on debian, but it has its own channel. this channel does not support ubuntu
21:25<vortek>oh wiat
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21:25<sney>!ubuntuirc nut
21:25<dpkg>nut: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
21:25<sney>vortek, don't tell me you're on ubuntu too
21:25<vortek>no
21:25<nut>im just checking the xchat thing out
21:25<vortek>oh i didnt wlan0 just wlan hehe on sec
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21:26<sney>nut, ok, but this is a support channel for debian users, so please check it out somewhere else
21:26<nut>it all gravy man
21:26<vortek>just returned to command prompt it didnt say nothing
21:27<sney>vortek, that's a good sign. check wicd again
21:27*abrotman waits for sney to call !ops
21:27<vortek>sogh just wired
21:27<vortek>sogh sigh
21:28<sney>vortek, hmm, is there anything about wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces ?
21:28<vortek>checking
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21:29<vortek>nope
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21:29<sney>hm. that's odd
21:30<sney>it's been forever since I've used wicd so I'm not really sure where to proceed from this point, but it's a configuration issue rather than a hardware issue so you should be able to google it up
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21:32<vortek>what other program is there besides wicd?
21:33<sney>network-manager is the default one
21:33<vortek>should i try that one?
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21:35<vortek>i should try it as root?
21:35<nevyn>vortek: do you know what wifi card you have?
21:35<sney>network-manager integrates with your desktop environment, simply installing it should get it working
21:35<sney>nevyn, iwlagn
21:35<sney>hardware is confirmed with iwlist as working. there's just a configuration roadblock.
21:36<nevyn>did he install the non-free firmware?
21:36<nevyn>ah ok
21:36<ex0a>how can i see what i need to use to change the alternatives for binutils with update-alternatives? (the compiler linker ld)
21:36<nevyn>ex0a: update-alternatives --list ld
21:37<nevyn>ex0a: then update-alternatives --update ld and pick from the menu
21:37<nevyn>sigh
21:37<ex0a>hmm it must have removed the binutils package when i installed binutils-gold
21:37<nevyn>--config
21:37<vortek>sven: network-manager is already installed
21:37<ex0a>nevyn: yeah i was doing that and just misreading the output
21:37<ex0a>ty though
21:37<nevyn>ex0a: I'd be surprised if it were ...
21:38<nevyn>ex0a: --update is wrong it --configure
21:38<ex0a>update was a typo
21:38<ex0a>i was using --config
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21:38<nevyn>sigh.
21:38<nevyn>yes you're correct
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21:38<ex0a>i was just misreading the output
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21:39<ex0a>of --list
21:39<nevyn>ah
21:39<ex0a>since i assumed that both were installed still
21:39<ex0a>thank you though
21:39<nevyn>is there any support for user local alternatives?
21:39<nevyn>would this be useful?
21:39<ex0a>i don't even know what that is
21:40<ex0a>i've only done system wide alternatives
21:40<ex0a>but user local would be fantastic
21:40<nevyn>so the sysadmin is a joe loving freak who sets system-default-editor to joe
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21:40<sney>vortek, well, uninstall wicd and then reboot and see if it detects at that point
21:40<lja>hi
21:40<nevyn>now you could just override manually with EDITOR=blah but you get the idea
21:41<ex0a>honestly i'm just installing this to test link times
21:41<lja>Does anyone know how to fix fonts looking very small with Debian/LXDE (also, my X11 xorg.conf file is missing)?
21:41<ex0a>but i've read that it has (had?) problems with kernel modules in the pas
21:41<ex0a>past*
21:41<nevyn>it'd be REALLY useful if things like update-java-alternatives supported that so you could have seperate test accounts per jvm
21:41<ex0a>yeah
21:41<administrator_>WHAT
21:42<ex0a>that would be awesome as well as i have multiple people compiling android on this machine
21:42<administrator_> CAN YOU HER ME ??
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21:42<lja>yes
21:42<administrator_>can you look me ???
21:42<sney>administrator_, what?
21:42<administrator_>thanks
21:42<ex0a>:P
21:42<ex0a>anyway thanks nevyn
21:42<nevyn>administrator_: listen more maybe talk a little less and don't shout.
21:42<administrator_>我第一次用。
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21:43<lja>anyone know how to fix my problem? ive been looking around the internet for days...
21:43<nevyn>!zh
21:43<dpkg>如果您想得到中文的帮助,请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道,进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" (不含引号),谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
21:43<administrator_>有会中文的吗??
21:43<ex0a>lja: there's some dpi settings somewhere, but i don't run X so i have no idea where anymore
21:44<lja>yeah, "apparently" those settings are in xorg.conf
21:44<lja>but thats missing on my system
21:44<nevyn>sigh dpi...
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21:44<nevyn>they're not in xorg.conf
21:44<ex0a>ehh i don't think those are xorg.conf based
21:44<lja>really?
21:44<vortek>i installed compiz but now i cant find it in the menus, what should i do?
21:45<nevyn>lja: make your fonts bigger.
21:45<sney>dpi settings usually live in whatever you use to start X, like xsession or gdm configs
21:45<sney>vortek, http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
21:45<lja>I start x with startx, and nevyn how do I make my fonts bigger?
21:46<nevyn>sney: WRONG
21:46<vortek>thanxs
21:46<sney>wrong where?
21:46<sney>I've definitely set X dpi in, oh, maybe it was xinitrc instead of xsession
21:46<nevyn>dpi settings are CALCULATED by the xserver based on glass size and resolution of the screen
21:46<lja>well yes but I dont know where the file with those settings are
21:47<ex0a>i think it's a menu option lja
21:47<lja>menu?
21:47<lja>in what?
21:47<ex0a>go where you configure your desktop
21:47<ex0a>i think right click on desktop and themes or w/e it's called, then there's a tab or window or something that has font settings
21:47<lja>I cant use it, the fonts are so small they literally appear as a couple of pixels
21:47<ex0a>i *think*
21:48<ex0a>ahh hmm
21:48<lja>and the font settings your thinking of only affect window titles
21:48<ex0a>maybe so
21:48<lja>I tried it earlier
21:48<nevyn>lja: there's no file
21:48<ex0a>it's been a long time since i ran a linux desktop
21:48<lja>then how do I fix it?
21:48<nevyn>it examines what the display reports as it's physical resolution and glassise
21:49<nevyn>lja: make your fonts bigger
21:49<lja>I cant make fonts bigger
21:49<nevyn>why not?
21:49<lja>well how do I?
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21:49<nevyn>kde => settings => appearance => fonts
21:50<lja>im not using kde?
21:50<nevyn>there's a similar way in gnome
21:50<lja>I dont have a supercomputer with 20 graphics cards to start with :P
21:50<lja>im using lxde
21:50<lja>not gnome
21:50<nevyn>it should be in settings somewhere.
21:50<lja>i cant view settings
21:50<nevyn>lja: this is a somewhat intractable problem.
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21:51<lja>well I just assumed that im not the only one who ever wants to change font size
21:51<lja>thinking maybe someone would know
21:51<lja>as ive been searching forums for answers for days
21:52<queeg500>hey all
21:52<lja>hi
21:53<queeg500>hi lja a bit of a noob to blackubuntu here but can some point in the right direction for more info other then the obvious (Ubuntu and youtube like tutorials0
21:53<lja>huh
21:53<lja>whats blackubuntu for starters?
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21:54<lja>lol
21:54<Aleric>GRUB failed to install to the following devices: /dev/sdb /dev/md0 Do you want to continue anyway? If you do, your computer may not start up properly. Writing GRUB to boot device failed - continue? <Yes> <No>
21:54<queeg500>neg lol
21:54<vortek>sney: laters
21:54<nevyn>lja: lxappearance seems to be a place to start
21:54<lja>yes ive tried that
21:54<lja>no luck
21:55<nevyn>lxappearance - LXDE GTK+ theme switcher
21:55<Aleric>I get that always when I run 'apt-get upgrade' and it runs grub :/ ... I wonder when that is every going to be fixed :/
21:55<lja>i know what it is
21:55<lja>but ive already tried lxappearance
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21:58<nevyn>lja: which font do you want to be bigger?
21:58<lja>everything inside windows and the taskbar
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22:00<nevyn>to make the taskbar font bigger you need to make the pannel bigger
22:00<nevyn>(possibly there's a minimum here of 36px)
22:01<nevyn>lja: see here where people are arguing for 6pt font support
22:01<nevyn>http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1423
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22:03<lja>seems like overkill for me, having to recompile lxde just to make it show fonts bigger
22:04<nevyn>you're missunderstanding
22:04<lja>how so?
22:04<nevyn>that's the code that controls the minimum bounds on stuff. if you make the pannel object bigger the font will get bigger automatically
22:04<nevyn>that's what that code does
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22:05<lja>but I dont see why I need to start recompiling it
22:05<lja>if I start lxde with a login manager the fonts are fine
22:05<lja>but with startx they are small
22:06<sney>lja, do you have an .xinitrc file in your home directory
22:07<lja>ill check
22:08<lja>no i dont
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22:08<sney>you sure? files beginning with a . are hidden unless you ls -a
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22:09<lja>i did that and all ive got relating to X are: .Xauthority, .xsession-errors, .xscreensavers
22:09<nevyn>lja: check the commandline of X in both environments
22:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 493] by debhelper
22:10<lja>how?
22:11<nevyn>ps -ef|grep X
22:11<sney>ok. regardless of what nevyn tells you, dpi *can* be set in .xinitrc/.xsession. you just need the command it runs to start your window manager - this is probably /usr/bin/x-window-manager, but it depends - and then you can append -dpi number
22:11*nevyn grumbles that it shouldnt be set by hand if it's right
22:12<sney>yes but in this case it rather obviously isn't right
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22:13<nevyn>I'm not convinced of that.
22:13<nevyn>:)
22:13<lja>but there isnt xintirc or xsession
22:13<lja>it isnt right at all
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22:14<nevyn>I just think that the lxde echochamber is filled with people with excellent eyesight who think 4pt fonts on tool tips are readable by everybody
22:14<lja>i shouldnt need a magnifying glass just to use my computer
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22:14<nevyn>http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1423
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22:15<lja>you sent me that link before
22:15<lja>i dont need to recompile lxde.
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22:16<sney>lja, you might - and this is a guess - be able to pass the dpi argument directly to startx
22:16<lja>really? wow, not like them to make something _simple_ !
22:17<sney>well, it's an X/xinit option, so I'm giving it 50/50 chance of working
22:18<lja>oh wow never type startx |more
22:18<lja>it crashes everything.
22:18<sney>hahaha
22:18<lja>i thought more was a unix command?
22:19<lja>so how do I pass dpi to X?
22:20<sney>like startx -dpi 96
22:20<sney>for example
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22:21<lja>ok
22:22<lja>no that just crashes x
22:22<lja>well
22:22<lja>hangs it
22:23<lja>the x11 people are determined to force people to use login managers arent they?
22:27<lja>oh and now apparently "dpi" is an invalid argument now, simply 'cos ive logged in as root
22:27<sney>oh well, it was worth a shot.
22:28<sney>if you still have gdm installed it may have the command line in its config files somewhere.
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22:29<lja>bloody hell! its working :O
22:29<lja>apparently it needs "startx -- -dpi96"
22:29<lja>i have no clue as to what the double dash is for
22:29<lja>but it works!
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23:36<proc>while doing an update I got MD5sum mismatch. W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/i18n/Translation-enIndex MD5Sum mismatch
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23:36<proc>am I the only one?
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23:37<proc>3 computers
23:37<bones_was_here>try a different mirror, mirrors don't seem to bother with hash checking so they often end up with corrupt copies of files
23:37<blarson_>proc: try using a different debian mirror. should fix itself in a day or less
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23:39<proc>So mirrors dont bother with hash checking? I would think that is really important.
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23:50<detraxx>h
23:57<detraxx>test
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