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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-06-04

---Logopened Mon Jun 04 00:00:06 2012
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00:09<ratnick>anyway to get animated gif to run on Web Browser 2.3.0?
00:09<ratnick>Epiphany Gecko 2.30.6
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00:28<Tonza>hello anyone there
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00:30<pparadis>!ask
00:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:24<Crimson>Sup?
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01:26<Crimson>dedhelper, Ganneff, cvr
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01:27<Crimson>2 ops?
01:27<sney>this is a support channel for debian users, do you have a question
01:28<Crimson>I'm Going to be real honest with you guys....I downloaded the Anon OS
01:28<Crimson>and im just checking out if everything being told
01:28<Crimson>on several blogs its true
01:28<sney>so, "no"
01:28<sney>if you just want to chat try in #moocows
01:29<Crimson>I just want info...what do you do in this place?
01:29<Crimson>how can i join your opperations?
01:29<Crimson>what shoud I need to now in order to form part of anonymous
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01:32<bones_was_here>yet another cracking distro with debian irc in the default config? :(
01:32<sney>I guess so! yet another cracking distro based on ubuntu 9
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01:43<Red>Hey Sney
01:43<sney>Red, just downloading backtrack or anon os or whatever does not magically turn you into a hacker. it is just an operating system.
01:44<Red>I Know That...I Want To Know Who Can Teach Me And Made Of Me A Hacker
01:44<Red>I'm A Quick Learner
01:45<Red>I'm Really Interested In Joining You
01:45<sney>and if you actually want to get good at computers and networking and security, start by reading manuals and paying attention to where you are and what's going on before you push "ok" or "connect"
01:45<sney>because here you are, asking a tech support channel if you can join a completely unrelated hacking group.
01:48<Red>How Do You Know That I'm Not Liying Regarding My Computer SKills?
01:48<sney>lying about what? you have made no claims
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01:52<Red>Is It True That Anon OS Open Backdoors On My OS?
01:52<cvr>Red: you have the wrong channel
01:53<Red>Please Provide Me The Right One
01:53<cvr>Red: I have no idea where u can go to get the info u want, but its not here
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01:54<sney>Red, try #4chan on irc.rizon.net. http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html to understand what those mean.
01:54<Red>Hai
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03:09<mino>hi
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03:11<mino>could somebody helpme about this issue : i dont know how to born a linus os into a sd or usb in order to be capable to make a pendrive
03:12<mino>linux
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03:12<cvr>mino: try unetbootin
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03:12<mino>does it work for any distro cvr?
03:13<cvr>mino: yeh, u can download the iso through the program or separetly
03:14<cvr>separately
03:14<mino>so where i find it bro?
03:14<cvr>what are you using atm?
03:15<mino>sorry i havent many skill on the subject iam new on linux os, sorry but what minds "atm"?
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03:16<cvr>mino: sorry I mean what OS are you running at the moment
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03:17<mino>ubuntu
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03:17<mino>11/4 indeed
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03:17<cvr>you can just install it through the package management system then, sudo apt-get install unetbootin
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03:18<cvr>type that into a terminal
03:19<mino>oh CVR thanks very much u are great bro linux are growing for people like u
03:20<cvr>mino: np, gl with it
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03:23<mino>ah sorry by the way i have 2 little questions + ; in first place early u forget to answerme about if unetbootin works for all distros and the second one its about a web radio browser issue ,because i want to get nhk japan radio
03:25<mino>but anything on my knowledge was capable to catch japanese internet stations
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03:26<cvr>mino: yeh, u can download the iso through the program or from the distros website
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03:27<cvr>mino: as far as internet radio goes aslong as you have the stream address you should be right to play it in your media player of choice or something like radiotray
03:27<babilen>mino: unetbootin is known to produce broken debian-installers once in a while and is not necessary for Debian anyway. See "/msg dpkg usb install" for information on how to instlal Debian from an USB thumb drive
03:28<babilen>mino: Please also note that we only support Debian in here and that you should ask in #ubuntu if you are using that right now. (Unless you ask about Debian installation)
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03:29<babilen>mino: If you want a debian-live installation please read http://live.debian.net/manual-2.x/html/live-manual.en.html
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03:30<mino>oh sure sorry its only my first time in irc i dont want to disturb to any one , its only i were ignore that rule
03:32<mino>well guys thanks and cvr thanks especially for your help ,have a nice day :)
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04:01<AfroPrimeval>sup
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04:05<AfroPrimeval>does some one use this chat
04:05<pparadis>!ask
04:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:28<bones_was_here>AfroPrimeval: ask questions here, don't private message people for support
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05:06<bravvve>there is my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/PJsbQj5Q,and my http://pastebin.com/aizV55YG /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf,why the wlan0 don't connect over vpn
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05:13<ompaul>bravvve: Perhaps you should describe your machine to lan to vpn conversation like wlan0 -> dhcpserver <-type of tunnel-> destination
05:13<ompaul>and a route
05:14<ompaul>bravvve: bad form to ask on two networks
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05:18<akibahara>hi
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05:19<ompaul>akibahara: you have a debian question, if so please ask it telling us things like version, what happened, what you expected to happen and any special conditions
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05:22<akibahara>hi guys maybe somebody could helpme .i have 2 questions .The 1st one is ¿what can i do if my distro do not appears into the gui of unetbootin in order to make possible to burn my distro in a pendrive? .And the 2nd one : its possible to burn my distro into a sd and not into a usb just like the unetbootin suggests? thanks
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05:24<ompaul>abdulkarim: that's a unetbootin question not a debian question
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05:26<babilen>akibahara: Which distribution are you trying to install?
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05:27<akibahara>beini and dsl 60mb modified version
05:29<movl>akibahara: get the iso and burn it using the 2nd option of unetbootin
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05:30<movl>mount the sd and that's it
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05:32<akibahara>movl: sorry but which one could be the "the 2nd option"?
05:33<movl>akibahara: you have an option to select a distro from a list or burn an iso of your choice
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05:35<movl>akibahara: the option is called "Diskimage", right towards the bottom
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05:36<babilen>akibahara: Which distribution and version of unetbootin are you using and which distribution are you trying to install?
05:36<akibahara>oh movl: i get it.well , but aparently the gui only permitts to use like a burn media a usb , can i really use a usb?
05:37<movl>akibahara: mount the sd first
05:37<movl>and select harddisk
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05:37<akibahara>ok
05:37<babilen>akibahara: Could you please answer my questions?
05:38<akibahara>babilen: sorry i dont know it
05:38<akibahara>but
05:39<akibahara>the distro is beini nd' a modified dsl 60mn linux
05:39<babilen>akibahara: You don't know which distribution you are using and which distribution you want to install?
05:40<babilen>akibahara: You want #damnsmalllinux on irc.freenode.net in that case.
05:40<akibahara>movl: thanks for your help have a nice day
05:40<movl>yw
05:41<akibahara>no
05:41<babilen>akibahara: And you also want to ask for support in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net -- We only support Debian in here.
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06:25<amine>slt
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06:27<mido>how to make debian more quick and increased performance?
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06:28<pparadis>mido: that is a very vague question.
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06:29<ompaul>serving a desktop a mail server a database server mail and database combined web server games server?
06:29<mido>i have an HP laptob with 2 GB ram,2.01 core 2 due intel
06:29<ansgar>mido: Get a faster computer would be an option.
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06:30<mido>and need it run more speed
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06:30<ompaul>to do what
06:30<pparadis>what does that mean? which things do you want to run faster? how are they configured now? what exactly are you running in the first place?
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06:31<ompaul>do you need more network speed - get a better network connection etc
06:31<ompaul>mido: do what faster?
06:31<mido>debian is speed system,but i ask how to increade its speed
06:31<ompaul>mido: do what faster?
06:31<ompaul>be specific
06:31<mido>i need debian do the same task in less time
06:32<pparadis>what task? jesus.
06:32<ompaul>WHICH TASK??
06:32<themill>run less crap on the box
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06:32<themill>!next
06:32<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
06:32<mido>can i stop some graphical processes as windows to gain more resources?
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06:32<pparadis>mido: describe. exactly. what. you. are. doing. then maybe someone might have some specific advice.
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06:33<mido>ok,say when i open gimp it takes 4 seconds,can it be just 2 seconds or 1?
06:33<ompaul>buy more ram
06:33<ompaul>and get a faster processor
06:33<themill>or a faster hdd
06:33<pparadis>install a faster hard driv, etc.
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06:34<ompaul>gimp is huge and as wthey said
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06:34<mido>i have 2 GB ram
06:34<mido>and 4 GB swap
06:35<pparadis>heck, it takes several seconds to start the first time in a given session on anything i've got, and i've got hardware a lot more powerful than that.
06:35<pparadis>gimp = big
06:35<ompaul>mido: gimp is huge
06:35<ompaul>mido: get more ram
06:35<pparadis>swap is not real memory, either. in fact, if you're actively swapping, you need to get more ram.
06:35<ompaul>it will help a bit
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06:36<mido>thanks all,i appreciate all of you
06:36<pparadis>sure thing
06:37<mido>please i need an answer,iam a DSL user in a lan,how to scan the available IPs on the network?
06:37<pparadis>nmap
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06:38<pparadis>or ping the range
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06:39<mido>please write me the syntax to paste it in the terminal,thanks
06:40<pparadis>mido: please use google and read the man page for ping.
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06:40<mido>iam really sorry pparadis but iam totally beginner,sorry
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06:42<pparadis>mido: this will make it easier for you: apt-get install fping ; man fping
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06:43<mido>thanks sir
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06:50<pparadis>mido: http://paste.debian.net/172778/
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07:01<mido7>i downloaded debian squeez_1 dvd 4.4 GB,ought i to download debian dvd_2 through 7?
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07:05<pparadis>mido7: do a base netinstall and then install whatever else you want.
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07:05<pparadis>you're probably never going to use 90% of that DVD you downloaded.
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07:06<pparadis>but since you've already installed your system, you can simply install whatever else you need using apt/synaptic/etc.
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07:23<arnd__>how can i track which package enters a certain entry to the debconf database? background: when installing a large number of packages, dictionaries-common is pulled in but complains "An invalid debconf value [english (Webster's Second International English wordlist)] has been found. ..."; so far i've only been able to find this error message in connection with the miscfiles package, but this is not being installed. therefore, i'd like to find
07:23<arnd__>out which package enters this string into the debconf database.
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07:26<themill>arnd__: debconf-get-selections will dump the entire db for you or have a look in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
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07:28<arnd__>themill: i did, but it does only list the owner, not the package which modified the entry.
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07:29<arnd__>a grep -in webster /var/lib/dpkg/info/* did not yield a single result either
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07:38<Jarwis>hey. i want to setup a irc server and serivces. using only default packages. all the guides iwe found requires me to compile stuff myself. Not really true to the debian ways
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07:42<themill>Jarwis: "axi-cache search protocol::irc daemon" turns up quite a few options in the archive
07:42<Jarwis>Sure those are posibilities. Im looking for recommendations
07:43<themill>you didn't ask for recommendations... you can use popcon to see which ones are popular -- /msg dpkg popcon
07:43<jens>hi guys, i'm on a shared hosting environment and want some tool to install stuff in /tmp, however i do not have permissions to this directory. is there a shell variable to redefine /tmp to some other directory?
07:43<Jarwis>themill. thx
07:44<Jarwis>jens: you could just change the permissions of tmp
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07:46<Jarwis>themill: How much ram do you think it will take up ?
07:47<jens>Jarwis: thanx, but I can't change these permissions - I need an alternative.
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07:47<Jarwis>jens: So you dont have root access. Then you cant do much really
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07:48<Apollo>jens: you can compile the tool yourself, and define the install directory there
07:48<babilen>jens: And /tmp should really be drwxrwxrwt
07:48<themill>jens: TMPDIR is supported by non-broken software
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07:49<Apollo>Jarwis: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/inspircd
07:49<Apollo>is one of the most popular irc daemons
07:49<themill>Jarwis: nfc. you'd have to try it and see
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07:49<Jarwis>Apollo: yes im drifting towards that too. Not sure how much ram i would need if i plan to run a www client on the same server
07:50<Jarwis>themill: Sure but should i buy a 512mb vps or larger. Kind of sucks to upgrade, picking the right package to begin with can save some cash
07:51<jens>Jarwis; Apollo: I'll ask the provider for the permissions in tmp. Thank you.
07:51<themill>Jarwis: does the world really need another irc server, btw?
07:51<Apollo>I'm running one right now
07:51<Apollo>it has 256MB Ram
07:51<Apollo>115 users online
07:51<Apollo>load is 0
07:51<Jarwis>themill: Our country has none thats open o all really
07:52<Jarwis>Apollo: Sounds nice. but i need to run apache as well for the webclient. that will add some loa
07:52<Apollo>It's also running an image host
07:52<Jarwis>load
07:52<Apollo>so I think you'll be fine
07:52<Jarwis>nice thx
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07:52<Apollo>I have 69MB free
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07:52<Apollo>biggest usage is cache
07:53<Jarwis>Apollo: does inspircd comes with services ?
07:53<Apollo>CPU is 100% idle 9/10
07:53<Apollo>Jarwis: nope, you'll need anope or something else
07:53<Apollo>I don't know if they have a debian repo package
07:53<Apollo>I think they have .debs
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07:55<Jarwis>Apollo: Atheme maybe. but thats the thing, inspircd is in the repos. not sure if there is any app that can provide services
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08:34<qpr>test
08:36<ompaul>failed more than you want to know ;-)
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08:48<qpr>:D
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08:49<qpr>it seems quiet in here - just wanted to know if i'm connected!
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08:49<sagar>Hi! Can someone quickly tell me how to change aptitude's download command? Like, it uses wget, but I need to change it to aria2c with some arguments.
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08:54<themill>sagar: aptitude doesn't use wget
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08:56<sagar>themill: okay, I basically need to change it to aria2c, whatever it uses.
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08:57<sagar>themill: the internet bandwidth is limited in my office to 20kbps per connection. I need to get multiple connections to download and install packages in a decent time.
08:57<themill>if bandwidth is limited, then it's limited...
08:57<themill>talk to your networking people. Don't try to work behind their back and piss them off.
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08:58<sagar>themill: I have the necessary permissions. They asked me to use a download manager in windows to establish multiple connections. Since I don't use windows...
08:58<It9001>sup debian peeps
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08:59<themill>sagar: that's just plain weird. Try using apt's --print-uris option to get a list to pass to this downloader thing
08:59<It9001>ugh.... just hearing about windows makes me vomit
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09:02<sagar>themill: Okay, that prints the URIs. But can't I change the download command anywhere for apt?
09:02<themill>no
09:02<sagar>themill: hmm.
09:03<ansgar>sagar: You could implement your own download scheme I guess.
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09:03<sagar>ansgar: enlighten me...
09:04<ansgar>sagar: You might be able to add something to /usr/lib/apt/methods and use that instead of http. No idea how it works though.
09:04<themill>there are several examples in the archive
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09:04<ansgar>sagar: Or you could use a HTTP proxy which does the parallel download part for you.
09:04<ZaRiuS>How many time is needed for a bugged packages got update on sid? (Any talking on #debian-next)
09:05<It9001>-sighs- just use the stable repos and you won't get these problems.
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09:06<ZaRiuS>It9001, im on sid, for want help it no happens on stable :)
09:06<pparadis>ZaRiuS: that probably depends on how fast the person or people responsible for said packages get around to fixing them. in the meantime, yeah, if you want stable run stable.
09:06<It9001>^
09:06<It9001>That's why I run stable.
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09:07<ZaRiuS>pparadis, just is curiosity :)
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09:09<sagar>ansgar: themill: I'll explore both options. My failsafe would be to write a script that downloads the packages to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and the run "aptitude install", but I'd prefer it be done transparently.
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09:10<It9001>I run debian with openbox, a dock, thunar and iceweasel
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09:10<It9001>and xfce notifications
09:10<It9001>(battery etc)
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09:11<It9001>anyone else use openbox here?
09:11<sagar>ansgar: themill: I will also need to check if "aptitude install foo" works if I download foo.deb to /var/cache/apt/archives/
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09:11<sagar>ansgar: themill: anyways, thanks. I got something to play around for some time.
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09:12<It9001>sager what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
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09:15<pparadis>It9001: http://pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get/
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09:15<themill>dpkg: tell It9001 about why aptitude
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09:16<lja>hello. does anyone know how to get alsa working on debian 6?
09:16<pparadis>dpkg: tell lja about alsa
09:16<It9001>Thanks themill and pparadis
09:17<lja>dpkg: alsa
09:17<dpkg>The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <default alsa>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
09:17<lja>dpkg: install alsa
09:17<dpkg>"aptitude -r install alsa-utils". After package installation, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, see <devdsp>. Some ALSA drivers require firmware from userspace, ask me about <alsa firmware>. To set the default sound card, ask me about <default alsa>.
09:17<pparadis>lja: please do that in /query with dpkg
09:17<lja>?
09:17<lja>whats query?
09:17<It9001>dpkg -i
09:17<dpkg>It9001: bugger all, i dunno
09:17<pparadis>you can talk to dpkg directly.
09:17<lja>oh I see
09:17<lja>i dont use irc much
09:17<pparadis>s'okay
09:18<lja>in fact the only time iver ever used it is in the last few days to ask people for help with my debian system
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09:19<lja>I ran the command
09:19<lja>but it says it dosent need to get any files
09:19<pparadis>if you're talking about the install command, there are more items on the checklist.
09:19<lja>dpkg: alsa-checklist
09:19<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
09:20<pparadis>lja: please do this: /query dpkg
09:20<It9001>whoever did the debian repo
09:20<It9001>thank you <3
09:20<It9001>xD
09:20<lja>ok
09:20<lja>im only having all this trouble just because I didnt want to use GNOME
09:20<pparadis>then you can talk to dpkg all you want about alsa. don't forget the bits about unmuting your audio. if you go through that stuff and get stuck, someone here will probably be able to help.
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09:21<It9001>o.e debian is the best os ever
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09:21<It9001>ubuntu = Debian: Buggy edition
09:22<It9001>lja install gnome but use openbox
09:22<It9001>>:3
09:22<lja>its good but its a shame that everything in it is gearded for gnome, because I've installed LXDE, I have had to manually set pretty much everything up
09:22<lja>no im not using gnome
09:22<Osiris_X>is there a way to access a ppa repository from debian?
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09:22<It9001>i installed gnome just to use gnome
09:22<It9001>in openbox
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09:22<It9001>awn*
09:22<lja>well I wanted to use lxde
09:22<It9001>fail
09:22<It9001>just to use awn*
09:23<themill>Osiris_X: no sane way, no. Get the source package and rebuild it if you really trust the PPA in question.
09:23<Osiris_X>themill: it is the source I am trying to get lol
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09:23<qpr>has anyone installed gnome 3.4 on squeeze?
09:24<lja>pparadis I get a horrible hissing noise when i do the aplay test
09:24<lja>but for example, my browser cant play sounds from flash videos
09:24<mxprm_>onlu browser? or all system?
09:24<mxprm_>only*
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09:24<It9001>o.e
09:24<themill>Osiris_X: a deb-src url should work or dget.
09:24<It9001>gnome 3 o.e
09:25<It9001>burn it
09:25<themill>qpr: there is no gnome 3.x for squeeze
09:25<Osiris_X>themill: will give it a shot
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09:26<qpr>themill: so i should forget about installing it?
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09:26<qpr>It900l: i don't understand o.e?
09:26<It9001>google it >:3
09:27<mxprm_>writing in terminal : alsamixer
09:27<themill>It9001: "outlook express". Please try being less noise and more signal ;)
09:27<themill>qpr: yes
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09:27<lja>pparadis I have followed those instructions and still no luck
09:28<lja>apparently im already in the audio group too
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09:29<qpr>themill: thanks for saving me a lot of time :)
09:29<qpr>It900: no luck on google :/
09:29<babilen>lja: For one reason or another I had to run "alsactl init" (as root) and reboot to get my sound working. Can you hear something when you run "speaker-test -t wav" ?
09:29<lja>I'll try that now. Will I have to do that everytime I want sound?
09:30<babilen>lja: Not sure if that'll help your situation. Are you sure that all channels aren't muted anymore?
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09:30<babilen>lja: No, you don't have to do that every time.
09:30<It9001>qpr: it is easy to find out.
09:30<lja>well I dont think their muted, tbh the alsamixer gui isnt exactly easy to understand
09:30<babilen>lja: You can use the arror keys to navigate and use "m" to mute/unmute channels. Run "speaker-test -t wav" to test.
09:31<pparadis>it's also very unlikely that this is the case, but _maybe_ your particular sound chip isn't well supported. you might paste the output of this to http://paste.debian.net "lspci | grep -i audio"
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09:31<lja>right I appear to have sound working now
09:31<lja>god knows how
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09:31*babilen prefers "lspci -nn|grep -i audio"
09:31<pparadis>:)
09:31<lja>ill reboot and make sure it still works after i reboot
09:31<babilen>lja: Working now? After doing what?
09:31<babilen>After running "alsactl init" ?
09:31<lja>I dont really know
09:31<lja>no I didnt get that far
09:32<pparadis>magic
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09:32<lja>I added my user to the audo group (despite the fact I was already in it) and it works :S
09:32<babilen>lja: What is playing sound? You *must* have done something ;)
09:32<lja>the browser
09:32<lja>just thought I'd try testing flash vidoes, to make sure flash was talking to alsa correctly too
09:32<It9001>dosbox is in the debian repo :O
09:32<It9001>=D
09:33<lja>why wouldnt it be?
09:33<babilen>Oh, I wouldn't test with a browser as flash-sound is a completely different story. It might also be that in your particular setup only a single application can play sound at any given time. Are you using pulseaudio?
09:33<It9001>idk o-o was just shocked to see it
09:33<lja>I have no idea if im using pulseaudio
09:33<lja>I dont know what it is
09:33<lja>I always thought they were a soundcard manufacturer
09:33<babilen>!tell lja about pulseaudio
09:34<babilen>is speaker-test working?
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09:34<lja>yeah it makes a hiss noise when i play noise.wav
09:34<lja>I assume that the file is supposed to sound like that
09:34<babilen>It shouldn't "hiss" but say "front left" "front right" and such things.
09:34<It9001>-mumbles about having to use windows for school-
09:34<babilen>Ah, yeah. noise.wav is supposed to do that.
09:34<lja>no it says that but makes a hissing noise
09:35<babilen>It9001: Do you have a problem we can help you with?
09:35<It9001>hmm
09:35<It9001>no :(
09:35<pparadis>It9001: i think he's politely pointing you to #debian-offtopic :)
09:35<babilen>lja: yeah -- i was referring to my "speaker-test -twav" not the noise.wav that is referenced in the alsa checklist factoid.
09:35<babilen>pparadis: ;)
09:35<lja>well ive logged in as normal user
09:36<lja>about to test...
09:36<lja>yes it keeps saying front left
09:36<lja>through the speakers
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09:36<lja>the #debian channel is brilliant, I've solved so many problems over the last few days
09:37<babilen>lja: Hmm -- It looks as if your sound is working.
09:37<lja>yes
09:37<lja>I dont know how
09:38<lja>must be like the "magic/more magic" switch
09:38<lja>if youve ever heard of it
09:38<pparadis>lja: i just stopped myself from pasting that link about 30 seconds ago.
09:38<lja>to magic?
09:39<lja>now i just have to fix my right speaker
09:39<lja>not a software problem, as it doesnt work on the other os's on this system
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09:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 526] by debhelper
09:40<babilen>"apt-get install do-what-i-mean ; fix-everything-that-is-broken ; configure-it-my-way"
09:40<themill>+1
09:41<lja>loose cable
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09:41<lja>haha yes
09:41<pparadis>babilen: after that, the user needs to follow this too though --> http://frm.li/WmLU4
09:41<lja>afk
09:41*pparadis wanders off to smoke
09:41<lja>nice image :P
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09:48<superman>Hello, after many attempts I managed to install debian testing, but I can not figure out which video driver I installed, I think the radeon driver. Fglrx at the moment, are absent from the testing repo, so I ask if you can install the backports repo or not '?
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09:50<samah>ola
09:51<samah>ola
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09:51<arnd__>superman: i don't think so. backports are built against packages from stable, not testing.
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09:51<samah>ola
09:51<pparadis>dpkg: tell samah about es
09:52<samah>habla en español
09:52<pparadis>!es
09:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:52<samah>hola
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09:53<chealer>superman: the backports repository is indeed designed for stable, not testing
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09:54<superman>ok.. nother
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09:55<ompaul>!es
09:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:57<babilen>superman: Radeon works pretty well for most cards and is IMHO the best driver. It also support hardware 3D acceleration and is pretty fast (see "/msg dpkg radeon") -- There is, as of now, no sane/Debian way to install fglrx on testing due to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671320 but you can probably pull fglrx-driver from sid. (/msg dpkg tum)
09:58<babilen>superman: All that being said: I would recommend to just use the radeon driver unless you have a good reason not to. I would further like to note that testing/unstable is typically supported in #debian-next
09:58<qpr>just cuagh tup on chit chat & lja's problem. I seem to have the problem where only one application can play sound. how can I resolve that? I do have alsa & pulseaudio installed.
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09:59<superman>babilen bad radeon ati hd5650
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10:00<babilen>qpr: pulseaudio handles that (and this is one reason for PA) -- You need, however, something like http://paste.debian.net/172802/ in /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc for flash. (cf. tutorial linked in "/msg dpkg pulseaudio")
10:00<babilen>superman: It is bad?
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10:10<qpr>babilen, thanks! Will try it out when I get home :)
10:10<superman>babilen but it works just the radeon driver, from extreme temperatures and the 3d is not supportedAnnulla modifiche
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10:12<superman>what is alternative glx-fglrx?
10:12<babilen>superman: Are you sure that 3D acceleration is not supported? Did you install the firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri as discussed in "/msg dpkg radeon"? What is the output of "glxinfo | grep -iE 'render(ing|er)'" ?
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10:15<superman>babilen nother output
10:16<babilen>superman: Could you please paste the output of "dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-linux-nonfree mesa-utils" ?
10:16<babilen>(→ http://paste.debian.net )
10:17<lja>im back
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10:17<lja>wait, are you saying sound my sound will only work with one program?
10:17<lja>how do I fix that -.-
10:18<superman>babilen http://paste.debian.net/172809/
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10:19<pparadis>lja: i don't believe that applies to you.
10:19<lja>i'll try sound from two different programs
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10:20<lja>no it works with 2
10:20<lja>thank god
10:21<lja>I dont understand, if LXDE is an officially supported DE for debian then why does the debian installer not include all the audio stuff
10:21<lja>like it does if you select gnome instead
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10:24<babilen>superman: Could you also paste the output of "glxinfo" ?
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10:25<superman>No protocol specified
10:25<superman>Error: unable to open display :0
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10:25<babilen>superman: Hmm, that is unusual. Is that a very new GPU?
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10:26<babilen>superman: But as I said: You can easily pull fglrx-driver from sid now that the bug with Xorg 1.12 has been fixed. And lets take this to #debian-next
10:26<lja>whats the debian-next channel for?
10:27<pparadis>for the next debian, naturally.
10:27<lja>as in 7?
10:27<pparadis>right-o
10:27<lja>thats a while away im guessing
10:27<pparadis>it will be a while, yes.
10:27<lja>good
10:27<lja>because
10:27<lja>it took me long enough to set this one up! :P
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10:29<babilen>lja: Debian supports painless upgrades from one stable version to the next. This process is typically well documented in the release notes and you can see the release notes for squeeze (i.e. the current stable) in "/msg dpkg release notes"
10:29<lja>really?
10:29<lja>I didnt know that
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10:29<pparadis>lja: i've upgraded several systems four major releases.
10:29<superman>babilen
10:29<superman>babilenI tried installing the drivers from sid, but on reboot debian Nonsi started in GUI mode, but in text mode
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10:29<lja>would that keep all my settings etc? like X and alsa etc?
10:30<babilen>lja: #debian-next is a channel to support people that decided to run a development version of Debian (testing/unstable), which are typically plagued by horrible bugs, transitions and unstability (in the Debian sense)
10:30<lja>I see
10:30<pparadis>lja: it is well supported. as babilen noted, there are always extensive release notes, and the process is made as painless as possible.
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10:30<lja>good
10:30<lja>well ive always liked debian for various reasons
10:30<lja>thats just another reason now :P
10:31<babilen>superman: How did you install them? Show me please? Include your sources.list, apt-cache policy output (also for each relevant package). Did you configure Xorg to use fglrx as detailed in "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" ? (i.e. did you create a configuration snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for fglrx ?
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10:32<lja>oh that reminds me, when you install a fresh debian system why does sources.list have a reference to the install CD? when you try to install a package it prompts for the CD
10:32<lja>which is annoying
10:32<lja>so i removed the refernece
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10:33<babilen>lja: That only happens if you install from CD1 not from netinst/business -- It is assumed that packages can be installed from CD (if available there) and that it is therefore not necessary to download them again. Removing the CD entry from your sources.list and running "apt-get update" is the right way to deal with this if you don't want that behaviour.
10:33<pparadis>lja: as you noted, you can remove that source, either in a gui like the "software sources" interface or by editing sources.list. it's there because some people want to be able to install additional packages from cd-rom later.
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10:33*babilen detects some redundancy/paraphrases :)
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10:33<lja>ah ok thank you
10:34<pparadis>babilen: i must fix this by drinking to the point of incoherence. i'll take one for the team :D
10:34<lja>but surely the cd can't fit all the packages on them?
10:34<babilen>lja: May I recommend http://debian-handbook.info/ ?
10:34<pparadis>there can be more than one cd.
10:34<lja>what is that?
10:34<superman>babilenII installed it by replacing the first repository sid instead of testing. Then I gave the command-r # aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-$ (uname-r | sed 's, [^ -] * - [^ -] * -,,') fglrx-control fglrx-driver. Then I gave # modprobe-r radeon drm and finally # aticonfig - initial but the game is restarted only text mode .. so I changed xorg .. radeon with fglrx and changed everything to restart
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10:35<lja>oh interesting link
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10:36<lja>Do I have to pay for the PDF if I want to download it?
10:36<pparadis>no
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10:37<lja>the only option I see is buy now :P
10:37<pparadis>read more
10:37<lja>oh found it
10:37<lja>thanks for the link
10:37<lja>could be very useful
10:37<dsadasd>pdf can be book >/]
10:37<pparadis>right below the "buy now" button. although donating at least 1€ would be nice of you.
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10:38<lja>oh dont worry im going to donate
10:38<lja>I just want to have a look in the book now to see if theres anything else that ive done wrong
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10:40<lja>I hate the inbuilt pdf viewer in chrome, its terrible
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10:42<lja>wow this book covers a lot
10:42<lja>!
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10:50<lja>does anyone else use the chromium browser? the first time it runs after a reboot it takes about 30 seconds to load
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10:51<Zaba>yep, it does that
10:51<Zaba>get a faster disk
10:53<lja>hmm
10:53<lja>i'll try firefox
10:54<Knogle>www.geticeweasel.org
10:54<lja>apparently "plugins dont work in iceweasel"
10:55<Knogle>hm, never used plugins
10:56<lja>I use youtube a fair bit so would need the flash plugin
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10:57<lja>urgh seems like a lot of work, ill stick with chromium
10:57<themill>there's nothing wrong with iceweasel
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11:20<pwork>Hello, is there something as simple as 'date -d monday' (monday of the current week at midnight) to designate "the 1st day of the current month at midnight" or "the 1st day of the current year at midnight" ?
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11:42<xylon>Hi, how do I get kdialog?
11:42<xylon>I use gnome but I need it.
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11:43<xylon>because zenity doesn't have some features I need
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11:43<daemonkeeper>apt-get install kde-baseapps-bin
11:43<leandro_>hi somebody, can help me with apache??
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11:44<leandro_>I need a help, please
11:44<leandro_>I am debian user
11:44<themill>xylon: or perhs kdebase-bin depending on which version of debian you're using. /msg dpkg apt-file.
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11:44<leandro_>I am use devia squeeze
11:45<pparadis>leandro_: it would be helpful if you told us what version of debian you're using, what exactly your problem is, etc.
11:45<xylon>thanks you two
11:45<pparadis>leandro_: the best way to get help is to simply ask your question with as much information as possible.
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11:47<leandro_>i have version debian squeeze
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11:50<SynrG>or maybe #debian-br if asking in english is too difficult?
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11:55<blarson_>!tell leandro_ about ask
11:56<thoquz>Hi
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11:56<thoquz>How do I extract the img file from the debian ftp to a usb hdd?
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11:57<thoquz>Is this the right place for questions?
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11:57<thoquz>Is there a channel I should join?
11:58<themill>thoquz: you've already asked two -- feel free to ask your real debian support question
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11:58<SynrG>usually just with dd. you mean the live image?
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11:59<thoquz>Yes
11:59<SynrG>themill: three. the first of three was his support question, but there was netsplit
11:59<SynrG>12:56 < thoquz> How do I extract the img file from the debian ftp to a usb hdd?
11:59*themill fails at reading
11:59<SynrG>or lag at least
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11:59<SynrG>thoquz: just dd will do it
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12:00<thoquz>so I just type dd in terminal and the img file? Are there no - arguments?
12:00<pparadis>dd bs=1024k if=blah.img of=somedevice
12:00<SynrG>thoquz: broccoli x 2
12:00<pparadis>thoquz: man dd
12:00<SynrG>whoops
12:01<SynrG>you don't want my grocery list ;)
12:01<SynrG>http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb
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12:01<pparadis>SynrG: i got that special item you asked for, but i had to go to the drug store instead.
12:01*pparadis ducks
12:01<SynrG>(that was quite comical :)
12:02<pparadis>what's really weird is i picked up two heads of broccoli this morning.
12:02<thoquz>How do I specify the installation media I want to extract it to?
12:02<thoquz>I think I am going to quickly read the man pages for it.
12:02<pparadis>thoquz: indeed, reading the man page is always a good idea. the device is probably going to resemble /dev/something
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12:02<SynrG>um? i just linked the doc ...
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12:03<pparadis>SynrG: damn, i missed that. but i stand by the point that understanding what commands do is a good thing :)
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12:05<SynrG>use 'dmesg' when you plug in the device to know its device name
12:05<SynrG>make sure you write to the whole device, not a partition. and make sure if there was anything on the key before that you want to save, you've backed it up first as this operation wipes the whole usb device
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12:06<pparadis>SynrG: to be pedantic, it only wipes the entire device if the image being written exactly matches or exceeds the size of the target media ;)
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12:37<leandro_>I get a problem witch my apache in debian, only on debian i get problem
12:37<leandro_>My apache on debian return error 500.
12:38<leandro_>and other machine run ok.
12:38<leandro_>I dont know if is problem at apache.conf
12:38<bhodgens>leandro_, whatdo the logs say?
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12:59<bch_>Hello, I have a huge amount of *deb packages und /var/cache/apt/archives. Can I serve these packages too other clients on my netowrk (eg adding the servers ip into the sources.list of the clients).
12:59<bch_>Primary aim is not to download these amount of packages again.
12:59<pparadis>bch_: http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/
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13:00<babilen>bch_: It is typically a better idea to use a caching proxy such as apt-cacher-ng or approx (/msg dpkg apt-cacher-ng ; /msg dpkg approx)
13:00<babilen>Ugh, the redundancy hurts
13:00<pparadis><3
13:02<leandro_>bhodgens, logs say 500 Internal Server Error
13:03<bch_>bibilen, isnt it possible to copy all *.deb packages and than do sth like that: dpkg -i *.deb?
13:03<bhodgens>leandro_, I'd guess you have something improperly configured. I've seen this happen frequently with reverse proxies.
13:03<pparadis>whoa. whao. do _not_ do that.
13:03<bch_>It would be easier than setting up another service.
13:03<pparadis>DO NOT do that.
13:04<bch_>pparadis, why not. It's the same architecture ...
13:05<pparadis>bch_: in all seriousness, please just investigate setting up an apt proxy. really. if you do what you just said, you run a serious risk of breaking things.
13:05<babilen>!tell bch_ -about aptitude clone
13:06<pparadis>bch_: if you're using dpkg -i directly, you're probably wrong. this applies to 99% of conceivable cases.
13:06<bhodgens>!tell bhodgens -about aptitude clone
13:07<babilen>!tell bhodgens -about selftell
13:07<babilen>bhodgens: ;)
13:07<retrospectacus>leandro_: read /var/log/apache2/error.log it should have more information than "500"
13:07<pparadis>if you have have a large farm of systems that run debian, it is greatly to your advantage to set up an apt cache now and start pointing your systems at it.
13:07<bhodgens>babilen, heh oops
13:07<babilen>np
13:09<bch_>babilen, ok I am not going to do dpkg -i :D. Sorry, but another idea: do it with aptitude, like this message recommends it, and before installing, I copy /var/cache/apt to the target machine. Is that another "no go"?
13:09<babilen>no
13:09<pparadis>bch_: did you read what i just wrote?
13:10<babilen>I would still strongly recommend to setup a caching solution and copy the already downloaded .debs to an appropriate location for that proxy.
13:10<pparadis>amen
13:11<pfrost>hmm....anyone have a clever idea of a way to install debian on a Mac Mini with no CD drive?
13:11<babilen>USB?
13:11<pfrost>i don't think they support booting of non-efi usb devices.
13:11<pparadis>PXE boot that bitch
13:11<pparadis>oh sorry, language ;)
13:11<pfrost>i don't think they support pxe boot either.
13:11<pfrost>they do however support a propritary apple netboot protocol.
13:12<babilen>pfrost: We've used PXE to boot a bunch of old g3/g4/g5 macs back in the day. Is this a x86 mac?
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13:12<pfrost>babilen: it is
13:12<pfrost>a fairly new one
13:12<pparadis>http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=11728.0
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13:13<babilen>pfrost: And you can't boot from USB?
13:13<bhodgens>pfrost, the little reading i've done on the topic is that it's a pain in the ass. not much info out there on pxe booting those...
13:13<pparadis>http://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel
13:14<pfrost>babilen: i know they can boot from USB, but i think that's only if the USB device is EFI bootable.
13:14<pparadis>pfrost: have you checked the wiki page just linked?
13:14<babilen>pparadis: That is discussed on the wiki page just linked by pparadis
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13:14<pfrost>pparadis: yes, it looks like it involves booting of a CD to get PXE boot support.
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13:15<babilen>mac hardware is quite a pain in the arse
13:15<pfrost>i don't disagree
13:15<babilen>heh
13:15<pparadis>babilen: help, i'm stuck in a loop ;)
13:15<pfrost>it's just that we have a small army of mini "servers" that are doing nothing, and a pressing need to extend our xen cluster. so i thought....
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13:16<pfrost>i know the ubuntu installer has an efi booter...would it be difficult to convince the ubuntu installer to install debian?
13:16<pparadis>pfrost: the linked wiki page discusses upgrading your firmware to add a BIOS compat mode.
13:17<pparadis>also, what you really want to do is use those minis to make a new KVM cluster. i'm certain of it.
13:17*pparadis ducks and covers
13:18<leandro_>retrospectacus dont have more information.
13:18<pfrost>pparadis: yeah, these minis aren't old enough to not have the bios compat mode. I think they just don't support booting from USB devices in BIOS mode.
13:19<pparadis>pfrost: do you have another relatively modern mac laying around?
13:19<pfrost>tons of them
13:19<pparadis>great.
13:19<pparadis>so where's what you do.
13:20<pparadis>well, first, are you okay with pulling a drive from a mini?
13:20<pfrost>it's more work i suppose, but yes. There's also target disk mode...
13:21<pparadis>i was gonna basically toss it out there that you could do a minimal install on another mac and then boot the disk in a mini instead.
13:21<pfrost>also these minis are in those stupid sonet racmac mini things, which require that you disconnect the other mini in it so you can remove 10 screws to get the thing out
13:23<pfrost>better yet..maybe we have an external cd drive
13:23<pfrost>i guess that would be the obvious solution, wouldn't it?
13:23<pparadis>it would :_
13:23<pparadis>:) even
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13:25<pparadis>pfrost: i'm confused. i'm looking at this --> www.sonnettech.com/product/rackmacmini.html
13:25<patrickh>question, the motherboard of an old computer died, i bought a new one; i still got the backup of the old one, is there a way to check which packages were installed on the old system just by looking at the disk contents?
13:25<pparadis>pfrost: you don't have access to the cd-rom drives in the minis?
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13:26<pparadis>patrickh: chroot into the mounted old disk and run dpkg -l ?
13:26<pfrost>pparadis: the mini "server" doesn't have a CD drive
13:26<pparadis>pfrost: ah gotcha
13:27<patrickh>pparadis, ow didnt think of that thanks, good idea
13:27<pparadis>np
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13:27<pfrost>oddly, when the xserve was first released it was maligned for not having dual PSUs, but the mini server, being little more than a thin client with 2 glacially slow hard drives, suffers no such critisism.
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13:28<leandro_>restropectacus do you now what is favicon.ico
13:28<retrospectacus>leandro_: well I know it doesn't say 500 Internal Server Error in there - that's just a response code. Show us the error line.
13:28<leandro_>??
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13:28<retrospectacus>leandro_: it's the favicon... often not found, doesn't matter
13:28<pparadis>that would probably create a 404 anyhow
13:28<pparadis>well, it should
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13:29<pparadis>leandro_: a favicon is the image displayed beside the url in the browser.
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13:29<pparadis>example --> http://www.classhelper.org/favicon.png
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13:29<retrospectacus>leandro_: here's an error from my error.log: [Mon Jun 04 10:19:20 2012] [error] [client 74.3.167.49] PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '}' in /var/www/[...]manage/ads.php on line 83, referer: -
13:30<pparadis>retrospectacus: that's what you get for using PHP. /me runs again
13:30<retrospectacus>to which the browser says "500 internal server error"
13:30<gdb>pfrost: They're targetted at completely different markets. A home media server isn't expected to be fault tolerant to that degree (who has dual line commerical power at home?). The recommended replacement for an xserve (a dumb one, sure) is a Mac Pro, not a Mac mini server.
13:30*pparadis goes to smoke
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13:30<retrospectacus>that's what I get for coding badly, regardless of language...
13:30<pparadis><3
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13:33<retrospectacus>leandro_: you are likely missing a server side library which will cause a 500 error with a log entry about "undefined function" or so
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13:34<pfrost>gdb: do you work for apple?
13:37<leandro_>What i do?? to install this library.
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13:38<retrospectacus>leandro_: you need to tell us the error so we know what library it is
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13:39<pfrost>ok, so i got this mini's drive connected to an existing debian system -- any easy way to do an install, short of booting the other system to the debian CD?
13:40<pfrost>i know in a debootstrap to get most things installed, but what about bootloader, etc?
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13:40<leandro_>The server answer only 500 Internal Servel Error and in /var...error.log answer favicon.ico
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13:43<retrospectacus>leandro_: that's normal, you just don't have a favicon. Read up a bit in error.log
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13:45<Tempest>Good Day Everyone! Newbie question here: On a freshly installed Debian Server - is there some sort of command that sets up the repositories that apt-get looks at for software? Is that what the apt-get update and apt-get upgrade commands are for?
13:45<pfrost>Tempest: they are probably already set up, unless you are trying to do something unusual.
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13:46<pfrost>Tempest: see sources.list(5), though.
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13:46<SynrG>Tempest: maybe if you're having a problem, you should state the nature of the problem, first.
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13:48<Tempest>I'm working on installing and setting up Samba on the server. I did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade per a recommendation from a friend before attempting this. After that I followed with apt-get install samba and the system came back with "samba is already the newest version". I was expecting from the guide I was following for it to go into an install screen.
13:48<Tempest>I should have included that with my question, my bad.
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13:49<pfrost>Tempest: sounds like it's already installed. not sure what the "install screen" you are expecting is.
13:50<pfrost>Tempest: maybe debconf? Try "dpkg-reconfigure samba"
13:50<Tempest>According to the guide, after the apt-get command it is supposed to come back and start asking about the workgroup and other configuration information.
13:51<pfrost>Tempest: sounds like debconf i guess. Usually it just asks you some simple questions and does some trivial preconfiguration of config files for you. I'd usually just accept the defaults (actually I configure debconf to not bother asking) and go on directly with configuring the software myself.
13:52<retrospectacus>Tempest: it would but you've already got samba installed. try what pfrost said.
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13:52<scientes>pfrost, also, if you have samba installed, make sure it is up to date
13:53<scientes>(and you are running squeeze+) there was a big root exploit in samba
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13:59<royalty>oh debian users I love you <3
13:59<SynrG>fine. but no touching
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14:00<royalty>deal
14:01<haylo>pfrost, install over a network
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14:02<pfrost>haylo: ok, how?
14:02<haylo>or just use another machine hooked up to the hard drive and then re-configure the ethernet adapter
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14:03<pfrost>haylo: you might want to know i'm doing this because it's a mac mini, which apple has specially engineered to resist attempts at any reasonable behavior like PXE boot
14:03<haylo>if the hard drive is bootable, i dont see any reason the mac wont boot it
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14:04<pfrost>how about because it's a mac, and they don't conform to standard PC boot protocols?
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14:04<haylo>put the hard drive in machine B. install the linux with CD and then put hard drive back into machine a and just start it up
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14:05<pfrost>right. I was hoping for a solution that didn't involve that much work.
14:05<haylo>you could use a live installer from a live cd to make the hard drive fully installed and bootable
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14:05<haylo>its the same amount of work nearly
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14:05<pfrost>It's an acceptable amount of work for one desktop system. It's not really a good solution for installing debian to a cluster of machines in a server room.
14:05<haylo>you just have the added problem of having to reconfigure the Internet connection
14:06<gdb> Does the Mac have a GPT partition table?
14:06<pfrost>yes, and I have to disassemble a handful of machines
14:06<gdb>If it doesn't, it won't boot (if a hard disk)
14:06<gdb>er does the disk haev..
14:06<pfrost>gdb: it doesn't have anything, at the moment.
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14:06<gdb>Ah, okay. It probably won't boot a disk made in a regular PC (MBR), needs a GPT table.
14:07<gdb>No USB stick to boot Linux from? I'm seeing this kinda late so not really sure what's being worked on. :-)
14:07<pfrost>actually, in my experience it works only if it's *not* GPT. The BIOS emulation is enabled only for non-gpt disks.
14:07<haylo>possible some freebsd hdds?
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14:08<pfrost>gdb: i have a drawer of USB sticks. Can't get it to boot from them.
14:08<pfrost>I suspect Macs support USB booting only for EFI devices.
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14:08<gdb>Yes, that's true.
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14:09<pfrost>is there a debian installer with EFI that works on a usb stick?
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14:10<haylo>you can just dd the expanded iso onto a partition in the mac and install grub or lilo onto it
14:10<gdb>From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93Intel_architecture#Booting "Standard Live USBs cannot be used on IntelMacs: while the EFI firmware can recognize and boot from USB drives, it can only do this in EFI mode–when the firmware switches to BIOS mode, it no longer recognizes USB drives, due to lack of a BIOS-mode USB driver."
14:11<haylo>i mean get the debian all made and just transfer it in with the mac OS to partition and install grub or lilo and shut down
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14:11<pfrost>haylo: yes, i realize i could do that
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14:12<pfrost>i just don't want to remove the hard drive from every server i intend to install.
14:12<haylo>you dont have to
14:12<haylo>its a seperate way. do it with in the mac ose
14:12<haylo>or just identify its hard drive with another system and dd a expanded iso onto it
14:12<blast007>pfrost: you're trying to install Debian on an Itel Mac Mini? if so, http://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel
14:13<haylo>via network
14:13<pfrost>blast007: the server model, with no CD specifically.
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14:13<blast007>pfrost: yup, read that wiki article
14:14<pfrost>blast007: i've seen it. What part of it specifically?
14:14<blast007>so you have the latest firmware installed?
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14:15<gdb>I think he means thsi part
14:15<gdb>In consideration of all of the above, updating the computer's firmware is the simplest way to easily install and boot Linux and also get 2D/3D graphics acceleration. To enter the builtin boot menu, hold the "Option" key while booting. This gives the option of installing rEFIt (or other EFI bootloaders?) on a USB key. You must use OS X's "bless" utility to change NVRAM entries allowing this to boot. It's also possible to boot wheezy installers from a USB key in
14:15<gdb>ie "It's also possible to boot wheezy installers from a USB key in this manner."
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14:15<gdb>(so no need for CD drive)
14:16<blast007>other option is a USB DVD-ROM drive
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14:16<sney>or open the case and attach a sata dvd-rom drive just during the installation.
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14:16<pfrost>i guess it's unclear to me what that article means by "in this manner". rEFIt? bless?
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14:17<haylo>oh cmon, its mac talk
14:17<haylo>who knows what it means
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14:18<blast007>$30 gets you a USB optical drive.
14:19<gdb>It looks like updating the system firmware allows you to boot into bios compatibility mode or somehow isntall rEFIt on a USB stick (allowing it to boot in EFI mode).
14:19<pfrost>gdb: yes, the "somehow" bit is critically missing
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14:21<gdb>indeed :-)
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14:21<gdb>I wish I could be more help. I can't imagine (for myself) wanting to run anything other than OS X on a Mac so I've not been in a position to figure out what you're tryign to do.
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14:22<gdb>That said, I'm sitting in front of a MacBook Pro 6,2 if you need me to look at anything!
14:22<blast007>pfrost: so, have you updated the firmware and tried holding Option while booting to see what options it provides?
14:23<pfrost>of course.
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14:23<SageX>reddit
14:23<SageX>crap
14:23<SageX>i'm out
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14:25<treitter>which file(s) within debian/ determine which generated files go into which packages?
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14:26<haylo>pfrost its easy, just flip the computer over twice and then you can boot form USB
14:27<haylo>"too haaard!"
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14:29<lja>hello
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14:29<lja>got a "slight" I/O throughput problem on my drive
14:29<superman>hello i want install fglrx :( helpme
14:30<sney>!fglrx dkms
14:30<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
14:30<lja>hdparm -Tt /dev/sda give me this: 2MB in 2.12 seconds = 964.63 kB/sec
14:30<lja>thats way too slow
14:30<sney>superman, ^ the part in the quotes is a command.
14:31<superman>no sney, the problem is more difficult
14:31<retrospectacus>superman: what is your video card, what version of debian, what have you tried and what happened?
14:31<sney>then explain your whole problem
14:31<superman>i have installed fglrx, but don't work
14:32<sney>I hope you're still typing
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14:32<superman>retrospectacus my card is hd5650m debian testing, i have installed by sid repository, but don't work gui interface
14:33<retrospectacus>superman: paste.debian.net your Xorg.0.log
14:34<lja>is it me or are most problems talked about on here, something to do with X/graphics?
14:34<sney>lja, it's not uncommon. X is overdue for a replacement
14:34<lja>yeah seems like a pain in the arse
14:34<lja>are there no alternatives?
14:34<sney>not usually as weird as dpi issues though.
14:34<retrospectacus>superman: continue in #debian-next - this channel is for stable
14:34<lja>haha yes me and my dpi :S
14:35<sney>there's a new graphics server called Wayland that is apparently kind of promising, we'll see what happens
14:35<lja>wayland?
14:35<lja>ill look into it
14:35<superman>http://paste.debian.net/172844/
14:35<lja>although, does that mean ALL the graphics drivers have to be rewritten?
14:35<sney>wikipedia can answer that better than I can
14:36<ompaul>sney: wayland that was trumpeted by canonical's ms a few years ago
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14:36<sney>ompaul, yeah, it's the only X replacement that hasn't disappeared 6 months after being announced
14:37<ompaul>sney: aiui it is mostly the work of one guy
14:37<lja>canonicals ms? whats that?
14:37<superman>retroscpetacus do you see my pastebin?
14:37<lja>what is Xfree86? some other X version?
14:37<ompaul>unless he has more with him now and they are real contributors I'd be very reluctant to move
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14:39<sney>Xfree86 is X.org's predecessor, they are basically different versions of the same thing
14:39<lja>I see
14:39<lja>according to wikipedia, Wayland can run X11 programs too
14:40<gdb>lja: By running X11 is a nested application -- Wayland can't run them on its own.
14:40<gdb>as a*
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14:41<lja>ah right
14:41<lja>at least thats still some compatability
14:41<lja>not very efficent though
14:41<gdb>lja: XFree86 was the defacto free X11 impementation until they changed their license to become non-free and wouldn't budge off of it. So the world left them behind.
14:41<lja>oh i see
14:41<lja>why would they fubar themselves?
14:41<gdb>That was a big case of "shot themselves in the foot -- with both barrels of a 12 guage"
14:42<gdb>No idea. They still have the same license.
14:42<lja>weird
14:42<lja>so what is used now, old x11?
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14:43<sney>X from freedesktop.org is what's used now by almost everybody. while I imagine the transition was messy, usage is basically identical
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14:45<gdb>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86 -- specifically citations 18 through 22
14:45<gdb>http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/gpl-compatible.html#xfree86 - this is citation 22
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14:48<gdb>lja: What sney said, with the common name X.org
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14:52<lja>hmm interesting
14:52<Aleric>I upgraded my system yesterday - now some program fails to run and I suspect that this is caused an upgrade of fontconfig to version 2.9. Is there is a way to see what my version was before the upgrade?
14:53<sney>some program?
14:53<Aleric>second life viewer
14:53<Tempest>Ok, I did a mount on a external USB drive to my server to give me some temp media for my media server test. I've cd'ed into the directory of the drive yet when I did an ls I see several linux like folders rather then the folders of movies, pictures, and music that should be there. Do you have to dial down deeper to get to the media?
14:53<gdb>Aleric: I'd suggest looking through /var/log/dpkg.log* to see what was installed prior to the current version. There's no transaction database to refer to.
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14:55<lja>Why does my IDE drive I use in my debian system have an average of 23.1Mb/s? thats a terrible speed, it isnt an old drive either
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14:55<Aleric>Thanks and yup - it went from 2.8.0-3.1 to 2.9.0-5 .. that must be the problem.
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14:57<lja>?
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14:58<Aleric>lja: unless you're streaming, it's likely to be throttled by seeks - ie, if you do a 2ms seek every read of 4kB, you get a speed of 2MB/s
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14:59<lja>Well I was just doing a test with DD, and hdparam says I get about 2 mbps :S
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14:59<lja>hdparm
14:59<Aleric>dunno then.. my new 2TB disk does over 100 MB/s
15:00<lja>:(
15:00<lja>wait MB? wow thats fast
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15:01<lja>ive looked around for info, and theres lots of people saying try this and this with hdparm, but of course, half of the paramaters they suggest dont exist for my drive
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15:05<pfrost>anyone want to buy a mac mini?
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15:06<babilen>heh
15:06<ex0a>i'll give you 2$ for it
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15:07<pparadis>ex0a: c'mon, you can get more than that for the scrap value of it ;)
15:07<Dinosaur>two days ago, iceweasel broke. iceape has the same problem. anyone else experiencing it?
15:07<ex0a>would be a $2 paperweight for me
15:07<Dinosaur>/usr/lib/iceape/iceape-bin: /usr/lib/libnss3.so.1d: version `NSS_3.12.10' not found (required by /usr/lib/iceape/libxul.so)
15:07<pparadis>ex0a: you could use it for hockey practice.
15:07<Dinosaur>libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
15:08<Dinosaur>I fixed that error by forcing ldconfig to look in /usr/lib/xulrunning-10.0/
15:08<pfrost>it is also good at warming things
15:08<pparadis><_< .... >_> .... what, er, kind of things?
15:08<Dinosaur>but then it has the same problem as iceape; can't find NSS_3.12.10 or NSS_3.12.9
15:08<lja>a mac? urgh apple
15:09<Dinosaur>I ran strings on it and grepped; libnss3.so stops at NSS_3.12.7
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15:14<Dinosaur>/usr/lib/libnss3.so.1d: version `NSS_3.12.10' not found (required by /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so)
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15:16<craigevil>$ apt-file search libnss3.so
15:16<craigevil>libnss3: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libnss3.so
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15:18<retrospectacus>,versions libnss3
15:18<judd>Package: libnss3 on i386 -- sid: 2:3.13.4-3; wheezy: 2:3.13.4-3
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15:19<pparadis>absolutely and completely offtopic, but of general interest to netizens everywhere. today is a day of mourning. my apologies for the OT.
15:19<pparadis>nononononononono nonononononono nononononooooooooooo --> http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/04/tech/web/mr-trololo-dead/
15:19<superman>but how can I do to keep the open radeon driver and have low temperatures?
15:19<Dinosaur>judd: I have that version of libnss3 installed.
15:19<judd>No package named 'have' was found in squeeze/i386.
15:19<Dinosaur>judd: but it still stops at NSS_3.12.7
15:20<Dinosaur>oh, judd is a bot.
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15:20<Dinosaur>sigh.
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15:23<AiRLocK>Hello guys! I have installed iceweasel 12.0 throught the squeeze-backports and it keeps on crashing at random (sometimes on youtube, sometimes at plain text sites). Has anybody come across this with iceweasel?
15:23<pfrost>hm so, syslog says "udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1". Why would it do such a thing?
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15:23<pparadis>pfrost: it's thinking different.
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15:26<superman>what are glx-alternative-fglrx?
15:26<retrospectacus>Dinosaur: where did /usr/lib/libnss3.so.1d come from? Craigevil showed that libnss3 is supposed to be at /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libnss3.so
15:26<pparadis>pfrost: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/08/msg00063.html
15:26<ompaul>superman: do not ask in two channels or networks thank you
15:27<pparadis>superman: what operating system are you running?
15:28<superman>testing pparadi
15:28<superman>pparadis
15:29<ompaul>pparadis: eh he's in -next for the last couple of hours
15:29<pparadis>ompaul: nod
15:29<pparadis>thanks
15:30<AiRLocK>babilen hi!
15:30*pparadis pops drops and AiRLocKs it as he goes out to smoke
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15:31<AiRLocK>pparadis lol
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15:31<pparadis>crap, i've fallen and can't get up. too old to rock it like that. i don't have the moves like jagger. better smoke here on the floor anyhow. /me really goes to smoke
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15:33<superman>and if I install the catalyst released directly from the site amd that happens? Then you can remove them?
15:34<superman>towo'
15:34<babilen>AiRLocK: Yes?
15:34<towo`>break you system as good as you can
15:35<towo`>superman, in stable you don't need fglrx 12-6
15:35<superman>towo in testing
15:35<ompaul>superman: install stable then ;-)
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15:35<towo`>superman, no, you are in #debian so all answers are for stable
15:37<AlexLikeRock>hi , guys
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15:38<AlexLikeRock>, i need configure my DNS or Bind9 , i found this link http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html but they say its obsolet
15:38<judd>No package named 'need' was found in squeeze/i386.
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15:38<AlexLikeRock>some body now one more new ? or this is good ?? i have bind9
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15:45<AlexLikeRock>I can use those? or need another one new?
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15:46<AlexLikeRock>debhelper
15:46<AlexLikeRock>heeeelp1
15:46<AlexLikeRock>!
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15:48<AlexLikeRock>HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!
15:48<ompaul>no
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15:48<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: no
15:48<ompaul>AlexLikeRock: this is not something you can demand, it is something you ask for
15:48<pparadis>AiRLocK: go somewhere else.
15:48<pparadis>now
15:48<pparadis>sorry, AlexLikeRock
15:49<AlexLikeRock>WHY ?
15:49<ompaul>!volunteers
15:49<dpkg>Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help.
15:49<AiRLocK>babilen, I went on to install iceweasel 12.0 from the squeeze-backports (instead of the crashing firefox 12.0 from mozilla site) but the behaviour of the browser is the same. It just keeps crashing at random. Have you come across anything of the sort?
15:49<craigevil>AlexLikeRock, Google, not like it is that difficult to do
15:49<ompaul>AlexLikeRock: read the thing dpkg wrote now
15:49<AiRLocK>pparadis why is that?
15:49<AlexLikeRock>i go to google 3 days
15:49<AlexLikeRock> y falied many number of times
15:49<AiRLocK>pparadis ok, no worries...
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15:50<ompaul>AlexLikeRock: read the thing dpkg wrote now
15:50<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: given your recent history, and what you just said, you're burned with me. others are free to feel differently, but we're not being paid to be here, so YMMV and the tank is empty here.
15:50<craigevil>AlexLikeRock, then you are a dumbass, go back to Ubuntu
15:50<ompaul>AlexLikeRock: a sense of entitlement is the worst thing you can have
15:51<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: uninstall debian for a refund
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15:52<pparadis>i think the official address for refunds is 123 Glwt St. be sure to send it certified mail, too.
15:53<AlexLikeRock>craigevil shut up, I have no right to be born without knowing everything
15:53<Dinosaur>retrospectacus: libnss3.so came from the libnss3 package. I am on amd64; why would it be in a directory named i386?
15:53<ompaul>wow preinstsalled
15:53<kalujny>Hey guise!
15:53<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: http://www.ubuntu.com/
15:53<pparadis>have fun.
15:53<kalujny>Do I see a troll? >.>
15:53<ompaul>kalujny: you looking in the mirror? ;-)
15:54<AlexLikeRock>ha ha ha, your funny pparadis
15:54<kalujny>Anyway, I got a dumb question about qemu, ntfs3g, groups and permissions...
15:54<ompaul>kalujny: got a specific debian question?
15:54<AlexLikeRock>no way, i like DEBIAN
15:54<pparadis>i'm not kidding.
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15:54<kalujny>basically I wanted to have a vmstorage on ntfs-3g mounted volume
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15:55<ompaul>kalujny: and you want to pull them into the real world for execution?
15:55<craigevil>Dinosaur, libnss3 has a amd64 version, http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=libnss3
15:55<AlexLikeRock>i came here for help, not humiliation, so if you think no help, just limit yourself to this
15:55<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: people come here for help. you come here to cause problems and be a demanding jerk. people have been very patient with you. now, in violation of my normal personal code against such things, kindly fuck off for 24 hours and come back with a different attitude, or simply install ubuntu and carry on with that. choice is yours.
15:56<Dinosaur>craigevil: right; I have that version installed. it isn't playing nicely with xulrunner. or else xulrunner is buggy. I'm getting cranky, not having iceweasel or iceape for the past few days
15:56<AlexLikeRock>each and every one of you just as I began
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15:56<kalujny>I added libvirt-qemu to plugdev
15:56<haylo>AlexLikeRock, you came here complaining. to people who worked hard to bring you something great for free
15:56<pparadis>no, that's not true. most of us began humbly asking for help in appropriate ways after we tried hard to find answers ourselves.
15:57<Dinosaur>craigevil: interesting, you make a good point.
15:57<kalujny>but still when I try to fire VM up, qemu complains about not being able to access the virtual disk image
15:57<Dinosaur>retrospectacus: and thank you for explaining to me what craigevil's point was.
15:57<kalujny>image format is raw
15:57<ompaul>kalujny: drag the image onto ext3 and see if it works - do this as a test
15:58<ompaul>kalujny: after all you might have a bad command to run it
15:58<kalujny>ompaul, works like a charm
15:58<Dinosaur>whoa.
15:58<AlexLikeRock>pparadis rude you say " fuck off for 24 hours "
15:58<ompaul>kalujny: so that would be a file system issue? ;-)
15:58<Dinosaur>yeah, /usr/lib/libnss3.so.1d shouldn't exist!
15:58<kalujny>AlexLikeRock, i`d say its appropriate :)
15:58<Dinosaur>are libraries hardlinked into /usr/lib sometimes?
15:59<kalujny>ompaul: should be a permissions issue, but I cant see what it is exactly
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15:59<kalujny>ompaul: i`m able to do an ls and touch in the vm storage directory as libvirt-qemu
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16:00<ompaul>kalujny: ntfs does not support linux permissions
16:01<ompaul>kalujny: you could try running strace on the qemu it will run dog slow but for your purposes it might tell you
16:01<pparadis>wait, are we talking about KVM disk images stored on NTFS?!
16:01<kalujny>ompaul: yep, the stuff gets mounted with permissions group permissions specified in fstab. but i added user that runs qemu to the group specified there, should be fine now
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16:01<kalujny>ompaul: yeah I`ll try strace
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16:01<kalujny>pparadis: yes
16:01<Dinosaur>craigevil: any idea why a library would pop up like that?
16:01<ompaul>pparadis: ya
16:01<kalujny>kalujny: I know linux permissions are not effective there, but i added qemu user to requried group
16:01<AlexLikeRock>I am not claiming, as you say, just yell that was 20 minutes waiting, with a 2-person answers "no" would have been different
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16:02<kalujny>ompaul: I know linux permissions are not effective there, but i added qemu user to requried group. shouldnt it do it?
16:02<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: please stop polluting the channel and go away for 24 hours. nobody here cares to listen to you right now.
16:02<pparadis>you're in time out.
16:02<AlexLikeRock>o now
16:02<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: if you'd come and say "I installed bind9 and here's my config <pastebin> but it replies XY" maybe you'd get some help... but "some body now one more new ? or this is good ?? i have bind9 HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!" you just look like an ass. We don't have to help you so we won't
16:02<craigevil>Dinosaur, nope never ran amd64,, no problems with firefox 12 or iceweasel 12 here, but im am on 32bit sid
16:02<ompaul>AlexLikeRock: people tell you if they have an answer there are 513 people here - they can't and won't all reply so no replys is the normal situation, this is not going to change any time soon for you or for anyone else
16:02<AlexLikeRock>i now, i will mute
16:02<Marillion>AlexLikeRock: No one is owed ​​you an answer here
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16:02<Dinosaur>iceweasel 12? how did you get that?
16:03<Dinosaur>I'm still on iceweasel10.
16:03<craigevil>Dinosaur, :) iceweasel: Installed: 12.0-7 Candidate: 12.0-7 from experimental
16:04<pparadis>kalujny: may i ask a crazy question by querying you for why you have your KVM images on an NTFS filesystem?
16:04<pparadis>i'm trying to understand what's going on htere.
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16:04<AlexLikeRock>pparadis you are rigth :'(
16:04<pparadis>here, even.
16:04<ompaul>kalujny: as I said, if you can launch one from ext4 or whatever you use on linux, then great, test that config against your storage, if it still fails I say use strace, your last comment made me think this is not your idea on how you are going forward from there
16:05<kalujny>ompaul: it works perfectly fine when image is stored on ext4
16:05<ompaul>kalujny: and it fails from ntfs?
16:05<kalujny>pparadis: well i`d like to be able to use them from win
16:05<kalujny>ompaul: yep
16:05<Dinosaur>craigevil: ohhh. is "experimental" the new "unstable"?
16:05<pparadis>kalujny: at the risk of sounding like an idiot, i'd like to point out that using LVM for that sort of thing is much nicer in many, many regards.
16:05<ompaul>kalujny: pull them in and push them back when finished
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16:05<craigevil>Dinosaur, no experimental is where your system blows up when you install packages from it
16:05<pparadis>kalujny: or $other_sane_storage_backend
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16:06<craigevil>!tell Dinosaur about experimental
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16:06<kalujny>I`ll do more search / try strace i think
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16:07<Dinosaur>craigevil: iceweasel12, and sid is still at iceweasel10... how much longer to get it dropped to sid? stuff only used to stay in experimental for a couple weeks at most. what is going on? lot of changes in the past 6 years
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16:09<scientes>Dinosaur, iceweasel 10 will stay in sid until after the wheezy freeze
16:09<scientes>because 10 is the extended support release on firefox, which will be released with wheezy
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16:10<Dinosaur>scientes: thank you.
16:10<scientes>!mozilla
16:10<dpkg>Mozilla Application Suite (originally Mozilla) is an unmaintained set of Internet-oriented applications, succeeded by SeaMonkey. The <Mozilla Foundation> is focusing on Firefox and Thunderbird development. See also <seamonkey>, <firefox>, <thunderbird>.
16:10*Dinosaur still puzzled how /usr/lib/libnss3.so.1d got onto his system. very, very puzzled. have I been hacked?
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16:10<scientes>errr http://mozilla.debian.org/ <= Dinosaur
16:11<Dinosaur>scientes: yeah, I had that repo, but disabled it for some reason. thanks for the reminder; I'll try it again.
16:11<scientes>you can also download the tarballs from ftp.mozilla.org
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16:11<kalujny>hmm more search on the subject leads me to believe storing virtual disk images on ntfs is generally bad idea, since number of things have to happen for it to work and they all are not easy on NTFS
16:11<scientes>however some stuff breaks with the tarballs
16:11<Dinosaur>yikes. name not resolving.
16:12<scientes>Dinosaur, .net
16:12<kalujny>Thanks and see you! :)
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16:13<scientes>kalamaja, fuse (for ntfs-3g) does not support mmap(), which makes it very slow
16:13<scientes>for virtual disks
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16:14<duMb>lu
16:15<craigevil>Dinosaur, Firefox and Thunderbird have their own version of libnss3.so, do locate libnss3
16:15<Dinosaur>craigevil: yes, locate libnss3 shows versions of the library that aren't coming from any debian package (as told by apt-file search)
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16:16<scientes>Dinosaur, use dpkg -S for already installed packages
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16:16<Dinosaur>scientes: did that.
16:16<AiRLocK>Anything for my iceweasel 12.0 crashing on me at random? :)
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16:16<AiRLocK>* i meant :(
16:17<craigevil>AiRLocK, tried it in safemode?
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16:17<Dinosaur>http://pastebin.com/5ueQUNw2
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16:17<AiRLocK>craigevil no, i will do now, and report back. thanks.
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16:20<Dinosaur>craigevil: scientes: here is the result of apt-file search, locate, and dpkg -S http://pastebin.com/Ae8NrNCe
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16:22<Dinosaur>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1055352 Nov 6 2011 /usr/lib/libnss3.so.1d
16:24<retrospectacus>I'd delete (backup) that and try again
16:24<retrospectacus>your dpkg didn't install that so...
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16:26<Dinosaur>retrospectacus: that's what scares me. this is a fresh system; I never installed anything from source on this one
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16:29<craigevil>Dinosaur, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 May 20 02:04 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libnss3.so.1d -> libnss3.so
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16:35<AiRLocK>craigevil still crashed after a while with a Segmentation fault
16:35<Dinosaur>guess I'll have to grovel all the bin directories and find out which bins depend on /usr/lib/libnss3
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16:36<craigevil>AiRLocK, no clue I havent used Iceweasel since the name change, I use Firefox and Thunderbird
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16:36<retrospectacus>Dinosaur: just mv it to /root and proceed. If things still don't work you may move it back
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16:37<Dinosaur>ok, done.
16:37<retrospectacus>but I suspect all will be well
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16:37<Dinosaur>retrospectacus: craigevil: thank you both; I'm running iceweasel 13 from experimental now; problem solved (for me) hope it doesn't affect others
16:37<craigevil>Dinosaur, im on 32bit but trying to remove libnss3> 0 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 52 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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16:38<AiRLocK>craigevil, Well that's what I had before, when firefox itself started crashing, and I was told here that firefox not beeing supported by debian, to try the iceweasel rebranded version... but still no luck :(
16:38<craigevil>removes all of libreoffice, iceweasel and other important packages
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16:39<retrospectacus>Dinosaur: you had an old libnss3 in /usr/lib for some reason, shouldn't have been there. Now the system uses the up to date one provided by the libnss3 package, all working
16:40<AiRLocK>craigevil, even moving my .mozilla out of the way and starting with a fresh profile, still crashes. the only thing left to do is start disabling the os plugins that come with debian i guess.
16:40<AiRLocK>craigevil unless you have something hidden up your sleeve, i hope :)
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16:42<craigevil>AiRLocK, nope, this is my firefox info> http://paste.debian.net/172880/
16:43<craigevil>AiRLocK, what video card do you have?
16:43<AiRLocK>craigevil nVidia 5600 FX
16:43<AiRLocK>running the non-free nvidia-legacy-173...
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16:45<craigevil>firefox was crashing on me a couple weeks ago, I keep it in ~Downloads, so all I did was remove the .firefox dir and extract a new one
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16:46<AiRLocK>craigevil what about the media plugins, are you running any of those?
16:46<AiRLocK>craigevil like totem, flash, vlc etc?
16:47<craigevil>AiRLocK, flashplayer-mozilla, geckomedia-player
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16:47<craigevil>AiRLocK, Oracle Java 1.7.0_04
16:48<AiRLocK>craigevil the thing is that the flash plugin that the installer put on the system (v 11...) does not work with mozilla on my system... (i386 32-bit)
16:49<craigevil>AiRLocK, no problems here, but there are issues with Flash and nvidia
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16:50<AiRLocK>craigevil i hear you. the only thing I can tell for sure is that it started recently, and as I have tried with a fresh .mozilla home it can only be a plugin (as extensions are disabled on safe mode that still crashes)
16:50<craigevil>AiRLocK, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=79246&hilit=Flash&start=30#p437013
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16:52<AiRLocK>craigevil with your new leads, it's nose back to the grindstone for me :) Thanks a million dude, I'll keep you posted... and bothered :D
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16:53<kingsley>Is there a more robust power point reader than Open Office's?
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16:55<pparadis>kingsley: maybe you should start by creating presentations in other native formats. http://www.openoffice.org/product/impress.html
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16:56<pparadis>that aside, there is the ms powerpoint viewer --> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6
16:56<akibahara>hi
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16:56<pparadis>kingsley: i have no idea if you can use that under wine.
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16:57<musca>can google docs open that powerpoint files?
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16:57<pparadis>kingsley: supported operating systems include Windows 2000 Service Pack 4, so you probably could.
16:57<pparadis>musca: possibly. one way to find out.
16:57<pparadis>although that would seem like a poor trade.
16:57<kingsley>pparadis: Sure, I'll install MicroSoft code on my computer.
16:58<kingsley>pparadis: There's just a few things I'd rather do first.
16:58<pparadis>kingsley: i think you get the meaning behind everything i just said.
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16:58<kingsley>pparadis: First, I'd rather bait a gator with my manhood.
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16:59<pparadis>kingsley: if you don't like using microsoft file formats, and you have issues communicating with said file formats using open tools, you should probably talk to the people sending said data to you about the issues.
16:59<kingsley>pparadis: First, I'd rather jump off the Sears tower, head first, onto a thumb tack.
16:59<Faustod>Salydos
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16:59<Faustod>Saludos
16:59<pparadis>!es
16:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:59<kingsley>pparadis: First, I'd rather have a proctologist named Dr. Hook.
17:00<pparadis>kingsley: i hear he does good work these days.
17:00<kingsley>heh
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17:01<pparadis>in fact, i hear he has a positively piercing intellect, and a pointed grasp of protological issues backed up by exceptionally sharp reasoning.
17:01<pparadis>+c, but anyhow.
17:02<akibahara>excuse maybe somebody can helpme .i have 2 questions.1st one : how can i bur beini and dsl 60mb modified even if this distro does not appear into the gui of unetbootin?.adn 2nd one : i want to burn it ,my distro into a sd , nut into a usb just like the unetbootin gui permits actually.thanks
17:02<pparadis>point being, if you're having nutty issues with a file format, and you're using debian (which tries really hard to support openness), perhaps it would be best to obtain the file in another format or participate in bug reports / testing / patching for upstream projects that try to tackle MS compatibility.
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17:03<pparadis>akibahara: what version of debian are you using?
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17:04<akibahara>iam using ubuntu 11/4
17:04<pparadis>!ubuntu
17:04<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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17:23<AlexLikeRock>bye guys, do not will missing me+
17:24<AlexLikeRock>in the evening return
17:24<AlexLikeRock>and sorry for SCREAM , i understand , this el its voluntary
17:25<AlexLikeRock>bye
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18:49<proc>Just did a netinst of Debian and installed xfce4.8. Works just fine. Was wondering how I auto mount iso for virtualbox. sudo mount -o loop VBOXADDITIONSxxx.iso /mnt/disk does not seem to work.
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18:56<pparadis>proc: there's a menu option in virtualbox to mount the guest additions ISO. you'll find it mounted under /media
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18:59<proc>pparadis yeah that is what I am using. I see the iso show up on the desktop but it does not seem mounted.
18:59<nsbig>Hello All!
18:59<pparadis>proc: if you poke around in /media what do you find?
19:00<proc>nothing under /media/cdrom0 or /mnt
19:01<pparadis>you might want to issue "mount" in a terminal and see what pops up.
19:01<nsbig>Where can I download the shared object (.so) files for PAM? I tried 'sudo apt-get install libpam' but pam_access.so is not installed.
19:01<pparadis>nsbig: what operating system are you using?
19:01<nsbig>Ubuntu 11.10
19:01<pparadis>!ubuntuirc
19:01<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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19:02<craigevil>and the package you want is libpam-modules
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19:02<nsbig>@craigevel tried that the modules are not installed.
19:02<nsbig>@pparadis I know. hehe
19:03<pparadis>nsbig: this channel does not support ubuntu.
19:03<pparadis>please install debian and come back.
19:03<pparadis>this is also not twitter. we do not use @
19:03<nsbig>sorry, I am a noob. :(
19:04<pparadis>we do encourage you to install debian, and will be extremely happy to help with debian related questions.
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19:07<pparadis>!ask
19:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:27<craigevil>how can i get the alien implant in my head to work with pidgin? :P
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20:01<mtt2>hello!
20:01<retrospectacus>hi
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20:01<MrTwisT>can someone help me with a networking question?
20:01<retrospectacus>maybe, just ask.
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20:03<MrTwisT>I have the following setup: internet<---router(DHCP disabled)---bridge(has some stuff hosted on ports 80, 8123 and 9091)---DHCP server(also has some stuff hosted on port 80)
20:04<MrTwisT>I also have a dyndns address that leads me to my home network
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20:04<MrTwisT>and another dyndns that I got with Amahi (Which is the DHCP server)
20:04<MrTwisT>locally I have no trouble accessing any of the machines
20:05<MrTwisT>but when I try to access the DHCP server from the outside using either of the dyndns addresses, it leads me to the stuff hosted on the bridge and won't let me onto the DHCP server (which also has some stuff on port 10000)
20:06<MrTwisT>any clue what could be causing this?
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20:06<retrospectacus>MrTwisT: well what's port 80 forwarded to from the first router
20:07<retrospectacus>and what kind of bridge is it?
20:08<MrTwisT>I havent setup port 80 forwarding on the router (it's simply a router with limited configuration). The bridge is a debian based machine
20:08<retrospectacus>also this doesn't seem to be a debian problem, you may get better help at irc://irc.freenode.net/##networking
20:08<MrTwisT>yeah, I just didn't know where to ask
20:08<MrTwisT>thank you, I'll check there
20:08<retrospectacus>the router needs to forward port 80 to the internal server you want
20:09<MrTwisT>ok, but it won't let me access stuff on port 10000
20:09<MrTwisT>it only lets me see the bridge
20:09<retrospectacus>!webmin
20:09<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
20:10<MrTwisT>yep, that's what's on port 10000
20:11<MrTwisT>I'll ask on freenode now, thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
20:11<retrospectacus>good luck :)
20:11<MrTwisT>;)
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21:41<flaviotadashi>jj
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22:01<blarson_>what's the recomended command line tool for burning an iso to a cd on squeeze?
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22:04<abrotman>!wodim
22:04<dpkg>wodim ("write optical disk media") is a <DFSG> compliant fork of <cdrecord>, part of <cdrkit> and available in the wodim package. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ for the release notice. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on CD is static, use -swab.
22:11<blarson_>abrotman: thanks, i just downloaded debian iso to install on the replacement for my dead main system.
22:13<craigevil>blarson_, nice indepth article> http://manual.aptosid.com/en/cd-no-gui-burn-en.htm#burn-no-gui-gen
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22:14<blarson_>hoping for a pause in the rain to go dig out my cdr's
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22:15<blarson_>i've used wodim before, it just wasn't installed on this laptop with no optical drive, will use my usb one
22:15<abrotman>rain .. CDRs ...
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22:52<nevyn>rain between him and cdrs not on cdrs. one would hope
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22:54<abrotman>heh
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23:02<Ariii>Ummm... Hi!
23:02<Ariii>I'm having problems setting up WPA on my original Clamshell iBook. I'm using WPA-PSK, and it's the supported security for my computer. It keeps on telling me this:
23:03<Ariii>Lucent/Agere Firmware Doesn't Support Manual Roaming.
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23:19<perlwizard>'it' being what ?
23:20<Ariii>Oh, sorry! I meant that that line kept on appearing over and over again while I was running Debian from the command-line.
23:20<Ariii>I'm using FVWM so there's no built-in network connections manager, even though I have WICD
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23:23<perlwizard>how are you configuring wpa ? through /etc/network/interfaces ?
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23:23<Ariii>Yeah, I am.
23:25<Ariii>And then I tried ifup eth1 (That's what the AirPort card is on my Clamshell),
23:25<Ariii>I tried this but it didn't give me permission, even as root: http://blog.computerant.com/2010/02/14/wpa-with-wpa_supplicant-quick-and-dirty/
23:26<perlwizard>pastebin the interfaces file, along with lspci -k
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23:26<Ariii>Oh, okay, thanks! I'll just plug my Clamshell into an Ethernet cable, so it might take a while.
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23:49<Ariii>Here's the pastebin for my /etc/network/interfaces...
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23:50<Ariii>http://pastebin.com/hGyErH1D
23:51<Ariii>And here's the pastebin for my lspci -k
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23:56<kinetox>si alo?? como funciona estoooo
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