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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-06-05

---Logopened Tue Jun 05 00:00:01 2012
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00:02<perlwizard>Ariii still not seeing the second paste
00:02<perlwizard>also, what happens when you do ifdown eth1;ifup eth1 ?
00:02<perlwizard>paste that too
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00:08<Ariii>Oh, sorry?
00:08<gsimmons>Ariii: For WPA-PSK operation with the orinoco driver, firmware for userspace is required, see http://wiki.debian.org/orinoco for details. The "manual roaming" message can be ignored. As your wireless LAN device isn't PCI, this won't appear in lspci output.
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00:08<Ariii>Here's the lspci -k anyways:
00:09<Ariii>http://pastebin.com/XvuX85wZ
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00:10<Ariii>Oh, I just saw that before, thanks!
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00:16<Ariii>But when I run Lynx google.com it says it's unable to access a document. That's sort of weird...
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00:29<blarson_>Ariii: I don't think lynx can handle the javascript on google.com
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00:30<Ariii>Really? It loads when plugged into an Ethernet cable. I'll try Midori.
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00:36<Ariii>Oh, I don't think it worked on Midori either. That's weird :/.
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00:43*scientes testing google in w3m atm
00:44<scientes>i think it still works w/o javascript
00:44<scientes>however css3+html5 was prooven turing complete
00:44<scientes>yeah google works in w3m just fine
00:45<Ariii>Oh, thanks!
00:45<Ariii>Does anybody know where the logs for AirPort are?
00:46<scientes>you can even double click on urls in w3m
00:48<Ariii>Hmmm.... I found something that's supposed to be a solution and is also meant to be hosted on ant2ne.com which does not exist. If this doesn't work, I hope I don't have to pay $30 for Panther (Used).
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00:58<robyhr>hello. could someone please help me with touchpad settings. i would like settings from my user account to transfer to login screen (mainly "Enable mouse clicks with touchpad"). ty :)
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01:05<Ariii>robyhr: Do you have one of those laptops where the trackpad is the mouse button, or is the trackpad and mouse button separate?
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01:07<robyhr>i have acer aspire one, buttons are under the touchpad surface
01:07<robyhr>or should i say below, separted
01:08<Ariii>Oh, I get it.
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01:10<Ariii>Does this help?
01:10<Ariii>http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad
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01:18<robyhr>Ariii: i identified synap from first step. then i tried Xorg :1 -configure but it failed with fatal error (cannot open log file /var/log/Xorg.l.log). i dont have /etc/X11/ folder at all.
01:19<robyhr>i started using debian (and linux with graphical interface) just yesterday, so im still confused with all this :)
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01:19<Ariii>That's really strange. Did you do the minimal command-line install? If you had the GUI, you should have a X.org
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01:20<robyhr>nope, i did standard install, with GUI selected
01:20<Ariii>Wait, what did you try to open with /var/log/Xorg.0.log with?
01:21<robyhr>i didnt try to do it manualy, command "Xorg :1 -configure" tried to do that
01:22<Ariii>Oh.... that's weird. And is the GUI working well?
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01:22<robyhr>yep, i have fully working GUI
01:22<Ariii>That's really, really strange. Have you tried apt-get install Xorg?
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01:53<emil>how we can correct errors in ubuntu 12.04lts
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01:53<towo^work>emil, not in #debian for sure
01:54<emil>for clean up?
01:55<sney>!ubuntuirc emil
01:55<dpkg>emil: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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02:13<kurumin>hello
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03:08<Osiris_X>I use the command-not-found package and I love it - however at the moment it only works in a native terminal and not through ssh
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03:08<Osiris_X>any ideas as to how rectify this?
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03:08<Osiris_X>I currently have my bash modifications for command-not-found in /etc/bash.bashrc
03:08<Osiris_X>should they also be somewhere else?
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03:28<knobo>How do I set default print-paper format for all users?
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03:30<knobo>/etc/papersize is set to A4, but users of iceweasle still get letter size.
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03:38<akibahara>hi maybe some body can help me... i want to give format to a sd card in order to burn a system into it .The case is i dont get that the gui recognize the usb with an icon so i were thinking that i can get a format only using the terminal ,somebody can tellme how i can do that?
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03:40<akibahara>日本リナックス
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03:52<babji>fgghh
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04:00<akibahara>hi guy i want to know how can i give format to one sd card from the shell whit one command in order to burn into it a os?
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04:25<Guest2785>heya all
04:25<Guest2785>just testing to see if this is working
04:26<Guest2785>I'm on an ARM machine
04:26<Guest2785>:D
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04:46<afuentes>some of the entries of last command does not reverse lookup the ip, even if it works right... does anybody know why this may happen?
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04:48<edgar>akibahara: use dd or maybe even install
04:49<edgar>info dd
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04:49<edgar>that should get you on the way
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04:49<edgar>oh shuck, he's gone
04:50<edgar>nope afuentes, sorry
04:50<afuentes>well reading the man i discovered -d that foces the lookup
04:50<afuentes>im still wondered why some of the entries do show the reverse lookup and others dont
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04:53<mbw>i'm trying to get asus 1225b laptop working, but at first boot when switching video modes, the screen becomes snow/corrupted and never recovers. (graphical installer works fine). any hints/ideas?
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04:54<mbw>by "switching video modes" i mean still console modes, hasn't launched X
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04:56<mbw>(this is with wheezy installer)
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04:58<babilen>mbw: Which GPU?
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04:59<babilen>mbw: And fwiw: It is typically recommended to install stable and take it from there. (and to use the stable debian-installer for that, not the testing one)
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05:08<mbw>ati radeon hd 6320
05:08<aubreyr>ack!
05:08<aubreyr>I mean that's not *bad* per se but the radeon hd series have mixed free driver support
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05:09<mbw>okay, i will try with a squeeze installer instead; i had a wheezy USB key all ready ;)
05:09<mbw>hmm, okay.
05:09<aubreyr>could be fine!
05:09<aubreyr>you will be able to get graphics
05:09<mbw>it's weird to me that the installer works fine but not after
05:10<mbw>mostly i just need this to give me a terminal so i can ssh to my "real" machine :)
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05:23<xubuntu>co ai ko
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06:04<buckfast>Hello
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06:04<Maulkin>!ask
06:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
06:04<buckfast>I manually installed java 7 following this tutorial: http://askubuntu.com/questions/55848/how-do-i-install-oracle-java-jdk-7 However, the part about enabling iceweasel plugin doesnt work
06:05<buckfast>Any ideas on how to get the plugin working?
06:05*babilen shudders while reading that tutorial
06:09<buckfast>I moved libnpjp2.so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
06:09<buckfast>but java doesnt work in iceweasel
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06:11<buckfast>maybe it's because the iceweasel is so old in squeeze?
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06:13<babilen>buckfast: A couple of comments: I would recommend to use OpenJDK for 7 as it is the reference implementation. The tutorial you linked is a very, well, manual way of handling things and certainly not supported by us. You could try using java-package from sid (/msg dpkg ssb). You can get newer iceweasel version for squeeze from http://mozilla.debian.net
06:14<themill>or from squeeze-backports
06:14<babilen>,v iceweasel
06:14<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.4esr-3~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.4esr-3; wheezy: 10.0.4esr-3; experimental: 12.0-7
06:14<babilen>:D
06:14<babilen>yay!
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06:15<babilen>buckfast: Oh, in that case: Get it from squeeze-backports not http://mozilla.debian.net (/msg dpkg bdo)
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06:15<themill>mdn has version 12; bdo has the esr version (10)
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06:19<buckfast>babilen, we use sun jdk 7 in class, what is the difference with openjdk?
06:21<babilen>!tell buckfast -about openjdk
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06:22<babilen>buckfast: I am, however, not sure how to install OpenJDK on squeeze in a supported way and don't have enough time to research that right now. I would keep in mind that OpenJDK is the reference implementation of 7 (and not Oracle's version)
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06:37<buckfast>still no java with iceweasel backport
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06:46<buckfast>hmm, is it 32 bit or 64 bit iceweasel that I got from the backports if I'm running 64bit debian?
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06:47<sney>should be 64-bit, you can check by running 'file' on the iceweasel binary
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06:49<buckfast>/usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel: POSIX shell script text executable
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06:53<sney>well then that's not the binary. I think it's firefox-bin?
06:53<babilen>It is
06:54<buckfast>where is it
06:54<babilen>/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin
06:54<babilen>Which is a symbolic link -- We have to go deeper!
06:55<buckfast>yes
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06:56<buckfast>/usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/xulrunner-stub: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped
06:56<Osiris_X>babilen: file /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/xulrunner-stub
06:58<babilen>Osiris_X: Sure
06:58<buckfast>well, I guess iceweasel is 64 bit then
06:58<buckfast>and so is the plugin
06:58<buckfast>but why doesnt it work
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07:00<Osiris_X>I use the command-not-found package and I love it - however at the moment it only works in a native terminal and not through ssh
07:00<Osiris_X>any ideas as to how rectify this?
07:00<Osiris_X>I currently have my bash modifications for command-not-found in /etc/bash.bashrc
07:00<Osiris_X>should they also be somewhere else?
07:00<kikinovak>Hi. As far as I understand, Squeeze will get security updates until one year after Wheezy is stable. Correct me if I'm wrong.
07:01<sney>yes
07:01<kikinovak>ok thanks
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07:08<buckfast>kde keeps telling me there are 3 updates, however apt-get upgrade doesnt show any
07:08<towo^work>buckfast, and apt-get dist-upgrade?
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07:09<buckfast>libmozjs12d and xulrunner-12.0
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07:10<buckfast>should I dist-upgrade?
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07:14<mekt>What's a good/convenient software to run to make my CPU produce as much heat as possible as a test?
07:14<mekt>multi-core cpu
07:14<kikinovak>mekt: ProMAX Landmarks.
07:14<kikinovak>mekt: geophysical calculation software
07:15<kikinovak>Running here on RHEL 5.8. Only problem is the 50.000 dollar licence :o)
07:15<kikinovak>Edited by Halliburton :o))))
07:16<towo^work>cpuburn
07:16<mekt>Then I'll add a requirement. 0 cost. Preferably with a Debian package.
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07:16<themill>!cpuburn
07:16<dpkg>i heard cpuburn is a collection of programs designed to stress a CPU. NB Comes with lots of disclaimers - be careful. Also ask me about <memtest>.
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07:20<buckfast>well, I've done it according to the manual: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/manual-plugin-install-linux-136395.html No java plugin though :S
07:21<mekt>buckfast: icedtea-plugin
07:22<mekt>has a package
07:22<buckfast>I manually installed jdk 7, why can't I use its plugin?
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07:30<buckfast>Is it possible to install the gtk2-engines-oxygen package from wheezy repository?
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07:30<buckfast>under sid
07:30<buckfast>*squeeze
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07:30<sney>,checkbackport gtk-engines-oxygen
07:30<judd>No package named 'gtk-engines-oxygen' was found in sid/i386.
07:30<buckfast>it's gtk2-engines-oxygen
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07:30<sney>,checkbackport gtk2-engines-oxygen
07:30<judd>Backporting package gtk2-engines-oxygen in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.26.0), libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.24.5-4).
07:30<buckfast>and it's in wheezy and sid
07:31<sney>looks like no
07:31<buckfast>:(
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07:37<mekt>buckfast: for most things openjdk+icedtea & sun/oracle jdk are same for usefulness. They are mostly the same code. OpenJDK has better handling of typeface size.
07:38<mekt>with Swing GTK Look-And-Feel.
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07:38<buckfast>oh
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07:41<buckfast>,checkbackport openjdk-7-jdk
07:41<judd>Backporting package openjdk-7-jdk in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-4.7, librhino-java (>= 1.7R3~), fonts-ipafont-mincho.
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07:47<putterson>hello, I am having an issue where the mouse cursor displays at the very top of the display when moved within ~10px of the left side of the screen
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07:47<putterson>It happens on multiple monitors as well on each monitor and happens in both GNOME and KDE
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07:48<putterson>I have googled a bunch but haven't found anything similar, does anybody have any ideas?
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07:51<sney>putterson, what debian version
07:51<putterson>wheezy
07:51<sney>hm, could be related to the xorg transition, did you see anything in the bts
07:52<putterson>I have only googled, and I couldn't find anything that accurately described my issue, only cursors getting into the top left corner
07:52<putterson>any suggestions on what to search?
07:53<sney>is it displaying the cursor in both places at once?
07:54<putterson>no what happens is within ~10 pixels of the left of any display, the image of the cursor goes to the top of the screen (in the correct X position)
07:54<putterson>the input from the cursor still goes to the correct location
07:54<putterson>the image jumps to the top though
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07:59<paolo>emelli
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08:00<sney>putterson, then I'd search for cursor jumping more than cursor position. and look on bugs.debian.org more than just google
08:00<putterson>alright, thank you, I will keep searching
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08:07<putterson>sney, I think I'm going to try installing the nvidia driver and see if that changes anything, I'm using the nouveau driver right now I think
08:07<sney>worth a shot, don't use the nvidia.com installer though
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08:24<maniakmtb>Hi!Who speak russian?
08:25<sney>!ru
08:25<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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08:26<me>i have problem playing video on squeeze
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08:33<mostafa>ø
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08:37<maniakmtb>Who is it? - ø
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08:49<proc>when adding a user to a group such as "sudo" is there a way that user can use their new privileges without logging out first?
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08:56<mekt>proc. yes. chgrp
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09:12<smith>I try to install Mail::POP3 via cpan, but it makes an error "make[1]: *** [mpopdstats] Error 2" .... anyone an idea?
09:13<ayaka>does Kerberos and openldap can replace echo other in some way
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09:14<ayaka>s/echo/each
09:14<petemc>smith: you checked if there was a package for that already? there is for lots of cpan modules
09:14<petemc>smith: eg: libmail-pop3client-perl
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09:15<smith>petemc, haha nice :) it works
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09:16<m>hola
09:16<m>jelooou
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09:17<smith>copa cabana
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09:17<themill>!es-social m
09:17<dpkg>m: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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09:18<smith>they speak .PT in Brasilia
09:18<m>ee
09:19<themill>smith: sure, and they speak Spanish in Spain.
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09:34<media>Hi, can someone tell me why, when I do 'grub-install /dev/sdf', it messes my /dev/sdf1 partition (ext2, gpt, bios_grub on, start=512MiB end=2048MiB)?
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10:50<proc>mekt you still around. I got a phone call and missed what you said. So chgrp will allow a user to use their new privileges such as sudo without needed to log out?
10:51<proc>needing*
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10:52<themill>newgrp, not chgrp, but it also means that new files you create will have odd group ownership
10:52<mekt>proc: sorry, yes newgrp
10:53<themill>"ssh localhost" is another approach ;)
10:53<proc>mekt chgrp sudo and thats it?
10:53<mekt>newgrp
10:54<proc>mekt on a production server and really cant boink this up. Thats why I asked twice.
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10:54<mekt>newgrp sudo
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10:54<mekt>man newgrp
10:55<themill>if it's a server, you're presumably on an ssh connection already, so logging out and logging back in isn't nearly the pain that restarting an X session is. Or just ssh localhost.
10:55<proc>I did aptitude install sudo && usermod -a -G sudo theusername
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10:56<proc>is the above all wrong?
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10:59<themill>"adduser username sudo" is much easier than usermod, btw. but that should work fine
11:00<proc>themill thx, that might have been some old way I once learned..idk. Like what you showed a lot more.
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11:07<proc>Was wondering once or for all if it is really necessary to add contrib to your http://security.debian.org stuff in sources.list. I see ppl do this all the when they add contrib to the other repos.
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11:08<proc>Does secutriy.debian.org watch contrib stuff ?
11:08<themill>proc: sometimes. Not often.
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11:08<proc>themill thx for clearing that up
11:09<vladkorotnev>hey guys, can i ask one thing? why the hell is finch pulling so much dependencies here? (even libusb and ntfs-3g for some reason)
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11:10<themill>!aptitude why
11:10<dpkg>From lenny, aptitude has "why" and "why-not". "aptitude why package1" shows why package1 may have been installed. "aptitude why package1 package2" tries to work out why installing package1 would drag in package2. "why-not" looks at conflicts. These commands only provide one possible explanation. Check /var/log/aptitude for definitive information. See <aptitude docs>.
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11:11<vladkorotnev>but i had not installed it yet :/
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11:11<vladkorotnev>ah wait, nvm
11:11<Nandogenerations>hhhhhhhhoooooooooolllllllllaaaaaaa
11:12<Maulkin>!es-social
11:12<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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11:42<ratnick>How do I get animated gif to run in Epiphany 2.30.6 WebKit Gecko version of Web Browser?
11:43<ania>hi, can anyone tell me how to connect to internet (via command line I guess) without using much tools (can't install them, have no internet)
11:43<It9001>more to the point, why are you using Epiphany 2.30.6 WebKit Gecko version?
11:43<It9001>@ratnick
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11:43<ratnick>quick and simple
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11:44<It9001>-picks up google chrome- -gives to ratnick-
11:44<babilen>ania: How can you connect to the internet? (ethernet, wireless, pidgeons, …)
11:44<ratnick>Chrome is sticky and grabs a lot of stuff
11:45<ania>ethernet
11:45<It9001>How so?
11:45<babilen>It9001: chrome is not packaged in Debian and I would be happy if you wouldn't recommend non-free third-party software.
11:45<ratnick>I use bleachbit
11:45<babilen>!tell ania about interfaces
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11:45<It9001>babilen - it is the users choice, not debian's of what software they can use.
11:46<ratnick>ania needs ISP
11:46<babilen>ania: Please also read http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
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11:46<mbw>i believe the cure for my problem yesterday was installing "linux-firmware-nonfree" (or one of the radeon-specific xservers) from a resuce-mode installer
11:47<ania>it used to work for long time then somehow I got lots of stuff uninstalled and now can't connect
11:47<ania>so all configuration is correct
11:47<babilen>It9001: Sure -- but there is no point in trying to help people who use the Epiphany browser by recommending software that is neither packaged nor endorsed by us.
11:47<ratnick>Ah, Gnome not endorsed?
11:47<ania>and now I don't even have iwlist
11:47<It9001>babilen - I recommended what I thought would be correct for the asker's needs.
11:47<babilen>ratnick: Huh? I am talking about Google chrome
11:48<ratnick>Chrome
11:48<It9001>Using debian 6 my self - I have google chrome
11:48<ratnick>Squeeze can run Epiphany
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11:48<ratnick>Or Firefox
11:48<babilen>ratnick: Sure, why shouldn't it?
11:48<It9001>Iceweasel it can
11:49<It9001>firefox not so much...
11:49<ratnick>The problem is running animated gif's
11:49<It9001>the solution is to use a browser that does not suck
11:49<ratnick>ah so
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11:50<babilen>It9001: Please try to provide constructive help -- There is no reason why a user shouldn't be able to use Epiphany
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11:52<It9001>babilen: I did not say there was, but I did say that there are reasons to use chrome or any other browser that is superior.
11:52<babilen>,v webkit
11:52<judd>No package named 'webkit' was found in i386.
11:52<ratnick>it was made with WebKit
11:53<babilen>ratnick: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=615933
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11:53<ratnick>ok
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11:54<babilen>ratnick: Not sure how to get around that one though.
11:54<ratnick>Bug is archived. No further changes may be made.
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11:56<babilen>ratnick: Yes - It was at one point fixed in wheezy, but the version of chromium-browser in wheezy/sid does no longer depend on libwebkit-1.0-2 -- You could try different versions of libwebkit-1.0-2 from snapshots, but choosing a different browser might actually be worth considering.
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11:57<ania>interfaces file is correct, there was no reason for it to be incorrect because I didn't change it and it worked before
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11:58<ania>the problem is that I uninstalles accidentally some packages
11:58<ania>and I need at least temporary internet access to install them back
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12:00<babilen>ania: Which packages did you remove? They should actually still be in the package cache in /var/cache/apt/archives/ so you shouldn't have to download them again.
12:01<ania>that's the problem that I don't know why and how they disappeared so don't know which too
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12:01<ania>I was installing some driver
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12:01<ania>and after reboot there was a lot less than usual
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12:01<It9001>Cya later guys
12:01<ania>I'll look into archives, thanks
12:02<It9001>peae
12:02<It9001>peace*
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12:02<ania>I'm also trying to install them back from CD
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12:03<kazuma153>hi folks, I am trying to use the latest squeeze live install image, and it fails at the grub install step. This happens on both gnome and xfce images and I have used previous images before. I am using it as a usb I copied using dd. Could this be that it is not finding grub and I could fix this by installing grub packages before the install on the live session?
12:03<babilen>ania: Which driver did you install? Could you check your logs? What happens if you run "ifup eth0" (or whatever interface you use)
12:04<babilen>kazuma153: Does this happen with the non-live installer as well?
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12:04<kazuma153>babilen, probably not, i am not able to test because this laptop has a broken screen and i need an external (which seems to only work on live installer). It is why i am using live in the first place
12:05<ania>it was fglrx driver for ati radeon card
12:05<babilen>kazuma153: Hmm, ok. That is quite a pity -- I can't really help you with the live installer (you might want to ask in #debian-live) and would have suggested to try the "normal" installer.
12:06<kazuma153>babilen: ok thanks, ill try asking there perhaps, i might also try installing grub packages as they might just be missing in this build for some reason, 6.0.2 live images worked fine
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12:06<babilen>ania: How did you install it and how did this installation cause the removal of other essential packages? What happens if you run "ifup eth0" ... (and all the other questions I asked so far)
12:06<ania>where do I find logs?
12:06<babilen>ania: /var/log/dpkg.log* /var/log/aptitude*
12:06<ania>ifup eth0 gives a list of "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8"
12:07<ania>and "No DHCPOFFERS received."
12:07<ania>sorry, I can't copy it because it's on other computer
12:07<babilen>ania: So, that works. Do you have any idea why you are not being assigned a DHCP address? How do you connect to the internet? (tell me more about your setup)
12:08<ania>first I installed it incorrectly using "sh <file from webpage>" and didn't reboot, then from recovery mode ran the same thing because xorg was bad
12:08<ania>now xorg is ok but stuff like nm-applet etc are gone
12:09<babilen>ania: That installation method is neither support nor recommended. Please see "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" for the Debian way to install the drivers. That being said: In most cases the free radeon driver is sufficient if not superiour. (/msg dpkg radeon)
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12:10<babilen>ania: Why do you need nm-applet if you only connect via ethernet? Are you in a corporate network? Is this your personal machine? How do you connect to the internet?
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12:11<babilen>ania: Please keep in mind that I know *nothing* about you and your setup.
12:11<ania>I use nm-applet because it used to be easiest way (aka it is doing it for me)
12:11<babilen>ania: Easiest way to do what?
12:11<ania>yeah, the problem is that I don't know much more because I don't know much about networking
12:11<ania>well, it was connectign me automatically
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12:12<babilen>ania: Are you at home, at work, at university? Do you plug a cable into your computer? What is that cable connected to? Do you have a router that manages connecting via DSL? Is it working?
12:12<ania>this is my machine and I set it up enough long time ago to not remember most of this stuff, there is a single router, with dynamic ip
12:13<ania>router is working because I have internet on laptop
12:13<ania>the broken one is my home pc
12:13<babilen>Ok - Is your home pc connected to the router?
12:13<ania>yes
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12:14<babilen>Is the router running a DHCP daemon? Which interfaces are listed when you run "ifconfig -a" ? Can you start nm-applet by running ALT-F2 → "nm-applet" ? Is network-manager-gnome still installed? Are you using Gnome?
12:15<babilen>ania: Sorry - I have to run now. I'll be back later, but I would investigate along those lines.
12:15<ania>I'm using gnome, nm-applet and network manager used to be there and I was using them but they disappeared
12:15<ania>ifconfig gives eth0 and lo
12:15<ania>thanks for your help
12:15<babilen>ania: I would also like to point out that you typically either configure your interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces *or* with network-manager (in fact NM won't manage interfaces that are handled in /e/n/i)
12:16<ania>thanks, I'll try to look into this
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12:37<first>need libmotif3 where i can get it
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12:38<craigevil>apt-file search libmotif3
12:39<themill>I don't think you'll find that anywhere in debian.
12:39<craigevil>libmotif4 is in sid
12:39<craigevil>,versions libmotif3
12:39<judd>Package: libmotif3 on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 2.2.3-4
12:39<craigevil>tada only in Lenny/old stable
12:40<craigevil>first, what do you need it for?
12:40<first>how can i get old stable?
12:40<themill>first: it would help if we knew what you were trying to achieve here...
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12:42<first>i need libXm.so.3 it's in old stable. How can i add old stable to my source list?
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12:46<craigevil>what are you trying to do?
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12:46<first>i try to run ansys
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12:48<first>can i get libmotif3 in wheezy?
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12:48<themill>highly unlikely. If you're lucky, motif4 will work.
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12:51<first>craigevil have any idea? if themill right it will be very bad
12:51<first>because libmotif4 dont work
12:51<themill>you certainly can't have the libmotif3 and libmotif4 packages on the same system.
12:52<craigevil>try libmotif4, if not you can try to download and use dpkg to install libmotif3
12:52<craigevil>!ado
12:52<dpkg>Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
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12:54<first>I can remove libmotif4. dpkg i cant use www.debian.org
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12:57<AlexLikeRock>hola gente!!!!!!! :-)
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12:58<first>connect with debian.org very bad in this mounth
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12:59<first>any idea where i can download libmotif3?
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13:01<themill>first: from archive.debian.org as dpkg said.
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13:02<first>Now i understand. Will try
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13:07<chicobcn24>hola
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13:08<AlexLikeRock>holaaaaaaaa
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13:08<themill>!es-social AlexLikeRock
13:08<dpkg>AlexLikeRock: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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13:17<first>dpkg have problem. Bad connect to http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive. APT cant find his IP
13:17<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, first
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13:21<first>?dpkg, i have a problem. Bad connect to http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive. APT cant find his IP
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13:22<dondelelcaro>first: what is the exact output you get, and what is the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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13:24<first>i add "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ hamm contrib main non-free" to work with apt. Output: cant find by ip
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13:26<themill>hamm? seriously?
13:27<first>Thats write in http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive
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13:28<themill>but the package you want is in lenny not in hamm.
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13:32<first>themill, i dont have lenny in ther "http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive" but i try it.
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13:32<themill>they do, actually. But for one package, you can probably do without a sources.list line
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13:33<first>themill what i you mean?
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13:34<themill>if this is going to work at all, then download the correct package from http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/o/openmotif/, "dpkg -r libmotif4" and then install your libmotif3 with dpkg -i. And hope it works.
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13:35<first>themill, i will try
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13:35<themill>good luck. you'll need it.
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13:42<first>themill, you was right it work
13:42<craigevil>find a different app that is newer
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13:45<first>craigevil, ansys 14 not so old (2011)
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13:45<themill>if it's building against motif, it's not new
13:46<craigevil>only thing that i have ever known to use motif was opera like 5 yrs ago
13:47<craigevil>first, this ansys > http://www.ansys.com/Products/ANSYS+14.0+Release+Highlights
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13:48<first>craigevil, its look like it. i think this it is.
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13:52<first>craigevil, why are you ask?
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13:54<first>themill and craigevil, are you know any other app like this on linux?
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14:03<wa33lock>ok
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14:09<first>themill and craigevil. thank for help
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14:12<mase>Whats the easiest way to check an RS232-cable between to computers? i tried minicom, some other programms and totaly failed... (usually i'm very familiar with RS232 so i feel quite stupid right now)
14:12<mase>(-to + two)
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14:13<first>mase, you need a programm to check?
14:13<first>Are you try wireshark?
14:14<DennisTheTiger>mase: What did you do to test, and what happened?
14:15<DennisTheTiger>mase: This said, I think you need a null modem.
14:15<mase>first i have problems connecting with an embedded-node (garbage transmittions, tried every settings), so i want to try if the cable even works, between two regular computers
14:16<DennisTheTiger>mase: At this point, I'd suggest either a cable tester, or a simple continuity tester. If it's just an RS232 cable, testing for continuity breaks should tell you if the cable's borked.
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14:18<mase>but its at least transmitting "garbage" with the embedded-node... totally failed by trying to transmit "hello" between two computers...
14:18<mase>a terminal command which is setting fixed parameters (speed etc) and sending "Hello" would help
14:19<DennisTheTiger>mase: I'm kinda doubting the cable then.
14:19<mase>me too...
14:19<DennisTheTiger>rephrase: I'm doubting the cable is the issue.
14:20<mase>yep
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14:20<DennisTheTiger>Terminal prog on both ends, just alter the bit/stop/parity to match, as well as the speed to match.
14:20<DennisTheTiger>Beyond that, look at the UART. If they don't match, one of 'em are fscked.
14:21<DennisTheTiger>Or rather, if they match...
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14:22<mase>DennisTheTiger tried that, no response on both computer, but think the RS232 port on one computer does not work at all...
14:22<mase>i have to look for another working computer...
14:22<DennisTheTiger>mase: indeed. =/
14:22*DennisTheTiger --school &
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14:23<mase>to be shure: grounding issues (embedded node) should not responsible for "garbage" transmissons via RS232?
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14:23<bch>hello, why are ther 53 iso CDs of Debian. What is stored on these discs?
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14:24<DennisTheTiger>bch: the ENTIRE ARCHIVE is stored here. You're looking to install?
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14:24<mase>bch nearly everything. you don't need them at the point you can install software via network repositories
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14:25<mase>(-nearly +absolutely)
14:25<bch>yes, I was just interested. It might be useful if theres an index file or sth like that.
14:25<DennisTheTiger>OK, then you want netinstall. =)
14:25<DennisTheTiger>!tell bch about netinstall
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14:26<oconnore>Hi, my gnome-control-center (1:3.4.2-2) segfaults immediately. I am running debian sid amd64. Any ideas? Thank you.
14:26<DennisTheTiger>Fits on a single disc, takes a few minutes to download. Set up the install and go get a cup of coffee. Or lunch.
14:26<DennisTheTiger>OK, this time for sure.
14:26<craigevil>oconnore, #debian-next
14:27*DennisTheTiger --edumacation &
14:27<oconnore>craigevil: thanks
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14:43<rpgdude>i upgraded my system to wheezy last night
14:43<rpgdude>i ran into an issue that i would like to report
14:43<JackShephard>why when I do apt-update appears before ign repository?
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14:44<rpgdude>the upgrade errored because i had some nfs mounts mounted during the upgrade
14:44<rpgdude>i had to unmount them before i could continue the upgrade
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14:48<mase>rpgdude and why is that an "error"?
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14:51<rpgdude>i dont know, but the entire upgrade came to a halt and would not continue until i unmounted them
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14:53<mase>rpgdude i think thats up to the nature of replacing the nfs-server (userspace or kernel?) while having mounted nfs-devices?
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14:54<mase>(my english might not be correct, sorry about that)
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15:01<abrotman>!tell rpgdude about reportbug
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15:05<streuner__>mase, most people arent care what kind of english you speak, as long as you have the intention to help, so dont care about that...
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15:06<rpgdude>i just wanted to mention the issue, since other users might get confused/upset that their system didnt upgrade completely because the had some nfs mounts
15:06<rpgdude>*the
15:06<rpgdude>*they
15:07<rpgdude>wow, y key isnt working so good
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15:08<ung>hi, I have a problem with debian testing since the weekly build on may 21. I can't do an install on virtualbox, it fail after partitioning, the probleme each time is "busybox" package. Can anyone could confirm me that the last weekly build is working ?
15:08<ung>I tried the last and still the same problem with busybox, (can't continue the installation)
15:10<mase>ung can you pastebin the problem about busybox?
15:10<retrospectacus>ung: use the stable installer (base system) then upgrade and install what you like
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15:10<ung>yea, i use alpha 1 right now it it works (could use the stable too)
15:10<retrospectacus>ung: the testing installer is ...still being tested
15:10<ung>but this bug is since may 21 on each release
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15:11<ung>I tried with kde iso and still the same thing
15:11<abrotman>ung: they know aboutit .. use the stable installer
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15:12<ung>i know it is a testing installer but I can't do an install at all since may 21 with theese weekly builds
15:12<ung>ok
15:12<chealer>ung: did you check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today ?
15:12<ung>i will
15:12<mase>ung side-question: why do you want to install busybox at all? you know what busybox provides, right?
15:13<ung>mase : it's in the base system
15:13<chealer>ung: it's not
15:13<mase>not!
15:13<mase>i've not installed it on my desktop...
15:13<chealer>well, it's in Linux's base, I guess
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15:14<ung>I don't even have the tasksel menu and it fail before
15:15<ung>but the weekly build, (not the alpha one) use the stable installer right ?
15:15<hood>где русские седят?
15:16<qpr>i'm having problems with changing brightness of the screen using Fn+Up/Down, I'm on squeeze, on Samsung NC10 netbook. Any tips on how to resolve this? The volume is working fine using Fn+Left/Right however
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15:17<@Ganneff>!ru
15:17<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
15:17<hood>ок
15:17<mase>qpr do you have all acpi
15:17<mase>sorry
15:18<mase>qpr do you have all acpi/apm packages installed?
15:18<ung>mase : i don't want to install busybox, it install automatic after the partition step
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15:18<qpr>well, that I'm not sure of - i did choose the laptop option when installing
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15:19<qpr>i know hibernation/sleep works
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15:19<qpr>so the pm is there
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15:20<mase>ung what error does it show exactly?
15:20<chealer>ung: not at this time for sure
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15:20<qpr>i thought maybe it was a key mapping issue, so i've been looking into that but it just got a bit out of hand :(
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15:21<ung>that it can't install busybox
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15:21<mase>qpr as i understand these "FN"-commands are send to ACPI directly and send back... at least no usual keys at all
15:22<ung>i will install it again to get the exact error msg
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15:24<qpr>i ran acpi -V and got info about battery/power, cooling, etc. But nothing about screen
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15:25<qpr>just ran 'apm
15:25<qpr>said no apm support in kernel
15:26<mase>qpr apm is quite obsolete, thats ok...
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15:27<Relondo>Anyone here?
15:27<sney>nobody here but us chickens
15:27<sney>!ask
15:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:27<mase>no!
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15:28<Relondo>Sorry about that. Anyway, I am not sure exactly how to download Debian Live.
15:28<Relondo>The links lead to an index of files.
15:28<Relondo>That I can't download.
15:28<sney>the links at live.debian.net?
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15:29<Relondo>http://www.debian.org/CD/live/
15:29<sney>what do you mean files you can't download?
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15:30<Relondo>Well, I'm just not sure exactly what to do with the page, I suppose. I want to download the hybrid iso for amd64.
15:31<Relondo>I follow the link, and I'm really at a loss as to what to do with the list of files.
15:31<sney>there are several, with different configurations. look at the file names - the one ending in gnome-desktop.iso has the gnome desktop environment, the kde-desktop.iso one has kde, and so on
15:31<ung>At step "Installing the base system" I get this error message after a moment "An error was returned while trying to install the busybox package onto the target system. Check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for the details"
15:32<ung>it's the weekly build and not the daily, it's the stable installer
15:32<Relondo>...so which one do I want, exactly?
15:33<Relondo>Debian is far more confusing than Ubuntu :/
15:33<mase>Relondo thats up to you, do you want gnome ot kde?
15:33<sney>the gnome, kde, xfce etc thing is just choices. you want whichever one you prefer.
15:34<sney>debian doesn't make as many choices for you as ubuntu does, more things are up to you
15:34<Relondo>Well, I get that, but I don't know which one is best. Which is probably best for me, just wanting to try it out, really?
15:34<mase>ung so... can you show us /var/log/syslog ?
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15:34<Relondo>Any of them more complicated to deal with than the others?
15:34<ung>I would but how can I see it if the base system is not installed ?
15:34<sney>Gnome and KDE are basically the same as far as ease of use
15:35<bzed>ung: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=674488
15:35<bzed>mase: ^ known bug
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15:35<Quibus>hi all
15:35<retrospectacus>hi
15:36<Relondo>Alright, I'll go with Gnome, since I have a modicum of knowledge about it. Thanks for the help!
15:36<mase>bzed ok, thank you...
15:36<sney>np
15:36<ung>yes, ty bzed
15:36<bzed>ung: are you sure its the stable installer?
15:36<bzed>ung: I think you are trying the wheezy alpha
15:37<ung>the wheezy alpha works number one
15:37<bzed>get the squeeze (==stable) installer
15:37<ung>it's the stable installer that is doing that
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15:37<ung>i tried on gnome and kde, (since may 21)
15:37<ung>always get this bug
15:38<bzed>ung: could you report that on the bug?
15:38<ung>yes, i will, I just wanted to know if someone had the same problem
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15:38<ung>it's a major one, installation fail every time
15:39<bzed>ung: I've seen it in the wheezy alpha only, not in stable. installing stable worked well a few days ago
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15:39<bzed>ung: or did you try to install wheezy with the stable installer?
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15:40<ung>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
15:40<chealer>ung: the stable installer is not doing that
15:40<ung>I use this one
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15:42<ung>it is the stable installer ?
15:42<SynrG>ung: no
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15:43<ung>ok
15:43<CapsLockGuy>WHY SHOULD ONE USE ICEWEASEL INSTEAD OF FIREFOX? WHAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND REBRANDING FIREFOX AS ICEWEASEL?
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15:44<ung>can you provide me a link to the debian wheezy stable instaler please
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15:44<CapsLockGuy>NO
15:44<towo`>ung, since wheezy is not stable, no one can
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15:45<rpgdude>CapsLockGuy: firefox requires you to sign an EULA
15:45<ung>ok so the stable installer is debian squeeze ??
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15:45<sney>yes
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15:46<ung>but whats the difference between http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/ and http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/
15:46<rpgdude>CapsLockGuy: which violates the DFSG
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15:46<CapsLockGuy>rpgdude, WHATS EULA AND DFSG?
15:46<SynrG>ung: the alpha doesn't change. the weekly does ... weekly
15:46<chealer>ung: Debian squeeze is Debian's current stable version. wheezy is the testing version.
15:46<SynrG>it is even less stable than the alpha
15:46<CapsLockGuy>RPGDUDE, DO UBUNTU DEVELOPERS SIGN THAT SHIT?
15:46<rpgdude>CapsLockGuy: End User License Agreement, Debian Free Software Guidelines
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15:47<sney>there was also something about the firefox logo itself violating the dfsg in some way
15:47<rpgdude>CapsLockGuy: Ubuntu isn't Debian
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15:47<sney>anyway, iceweasel is the same application, and there are newer versions at http://mozilla.debian.net/, so it's academic
15:48<chealer>ung: d-i alpha 1 is a developmental release of the installer being developed for wheezy. weekly-builds contains untested weekly snapshots
15:48<ung>ok ty, I know wheezy was testing but I thought that it can use a stable installer even if it's the testing distributiuon
15:48<sney>yeah there are many ways in which Ubuntu cares less than Debian about the free-ness of things
15:48<rpgdude>CapsLockGuy: firefox includes artwork that is not freely redistributable
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15:48<ung>I will use squeeze to install my wheezy, thank you
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15:49<rpgdude>CapsLockGuy: if you use firefox on ubuntu, you need to agree to the EULA
15:49<craigevil>!why iceweasel
15:49<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>.
15:49<SynrG>ung: you have that a bit muddled. you can use different releases of the installer to install different releases, but the wheezy installer is the wheezy installer. it can't "use" the stable installer.
15:50<ung>ok
15:50<ompaul>ung: you can (and the suggested way for it to happen is) install squeeze and then dist-upgrade to testing
15:50<ung>yes, it's that I will do
15:50<craigevil>huh? the business card installer can be used to install testing and even sid
15:51<ompaul>craigevil: however the recommended way is
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15:52<craigevil>safest way is to just install stable choosing only base/standard, change sources to testing or sid, apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
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16:21<ung>after the base system, i usually install "xorg" and "kde-plasma-desktop". What is the difference if I only install "xserver-xorg-core" (with kde). I prefer minimalist installations but will i miss something in the xorg package ?
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16:30<chealer>ung: xserver-xorg-core doesn't provide any X driver
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16:31<ung>do I need X drivers to run kde ?
16:31<towo`>sure
16:31<towo`>without a driver, what you should see?
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16:32<ung>ok ty
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16:32<towo`>at minimum you would need vesa
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16:32<towo`>then also you need an input driver, if you want to use an input-device
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16:43<qpr>still no luck with the brightness issue on the netbook screen - recap: Fn+Up/Down don't change screen brightness, squeeze, Samsung NC10 netbook. If I book on battery power then screen is dark, which is good. But if I plug in power, it doesn't brighten up.
16:44<qpr>any command line that i can use to manually change the brightness setting?
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16:54<Marillion>qpr: i guess that, the kernel is to old for hardware
16:55<Marillion>s/for/for the
16:56<nevs>qpr: you can try to install xbacklight
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16:56<qpr>nevs, i tried xbacklight, i recieved some error which I can't remember now, but can try again
16:56<qpr>could be a question of configuring it
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16:57<qpr>marillion, you may be right. but using Fn+Left/Right changes the volume as it should, so why not brightness?
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16:58<Ariii>qpr: I usually really hate it when people do this, but have you Googled Command-Line Brightness?
16:58<Marillion>qpr: many settings are come from ACPI
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16:59<Ariii>^^^ I meant Linux Command-Line Brightness. What I found seemed pretty helpful.
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16:59<qpr>i did actually google it :) most say use xbacklight, or point to some VGA folder in /proc
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17:01<qpr>ariii, i'll need to read up on acpi, don't know much about it
17:01<Ariii>Oh... so you're probably not using VGA. Do you need to alter brightness on just the GUI or on the command-line to? Because a lot of it will only affect your computer when you're running a GUI.
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17:02<qpr>i'd rather just GUI, and ideally using the Fn key command
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17:03<Ariii>Oh.... on your NetBook, do you have F1, F2, etc. ?
17:03<Ariii>F1 and F2 work for my iBook.
17:04<qpr>the googled /proc/acpi/video/ command is tricky, as they point to VGA folder, which I don't have, instead I have: proc/acpi/video/GFX0$
17:04<qpr>yes, I have F1 keys, but there's also an Fn key, which is not one of the F1 keys
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17:05<ryerke_>qpr: The settings for that are in scripts in /etc/acpi. What kind of laptop?
17:06<Ariii>Oh,
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17:07<qpr>samsung NC10, a netbook
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17:07<ryerke_>All of the events work in Wheeay on my Asus out of the box. Nothing worked in Squeeze
17:07<qpr>squeeze runs very nicely on it, other than a few small things like this
17:07<qpr>:)
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17:08<qpr>should have installed wheezy
17:08<Marillion>qpr: not so fast
17:08<Marillion>qpr: try a newer kernel form backports
17:09<ryerke_>It's a know bug in Debian for the Samsung and the brightness keys
17:09<Marillion>s/form/from
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17:09<qpr>ok, installing a newer kernel i have not done before
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17:10<Marillion>ryerke_: have you got the bug-number, please?
17:10<Ariii>Hmm.... maybe you could install Ubuntu, see if you can fix the problems from there, and then change the sources.list to Debian sources, and then do a system update and see if your settings carried over.
17:10<Marillion>Ariii: we are in Debian, not Ubuntu
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17:11<ryerke_>Unless something has changed, you need to set backlight setting in BIOS to User and use the backlight properties in /sys to adjust. My Toshiba was just like that since no utilities or kernel modules existed for that
17:11<qpr>arii, sorry not too keen installing ubuntu, i did that on my netbook & pc and installed debian right after :)
17:12<ryerke_>echo 7 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
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17:13<qpr>i can have a look at bios, but i haven't changed anyting there - had winXP before and these Fn keys worked fine
17:13<Ariii>Oh, sorry! I just thought that might not be a Ubuntu bug, and I heard you can update Ubuntu to make it Debian by changing the sources.list, so you might have that setting in Debian.
17:13<qpr>in /sys - where to look?
17:13<qpr>power? kernel?
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17:14<Marillion>Ariii: you speak nonsense
17:14<qpr>Arri, np :) for me ubuntu was too bloated
17:14<Ariii>Marillon: Oh, sorry!
17:14<scientes>I'm having difficulty getting ext4 mounted from the squeeze installer
17:14<scientes>(arm)
17:15<scientes>~ # mount -t ext4 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt
17:15<scientes>mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /mnt failed: No such device
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17:16<qpr>scientes, create some dir in /mnt and mount to that - seems to work for me :)
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17:16<scientes>ahh just had to get farther in the installer before dropping to shell :)
17:17<ryerke_>qpr: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NC10 seems to show a fix in Ubuntu as far back as Ibex so it should work in Squeeze
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17:18<scientes>eek this script need which, which busybox doesn't seem to have
17:18<gkaklas>scientes: seems like you have the device name wrong... Check the name from the output of blkid
17:19<scientes>nahh i got it
17:19<scientes>it was that the ext4 module wasn't there
17:19<Marillion>scientes: selfmade kernel?
17:19<scientes>no
17:19<scientes>its in the udeb, and im using arm
17:20<Marillion>scientes: Debian shipped the ext4 modul
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17:20<Marillion>scientes: ak
17:20<scientes>Marillion, ^^^^arm
17:20<qpr>cheers ryerke! will have a look
17:20<scientes>i'm reflashing a new kernel from the installer
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17:20<Marillion>scientes: yoah, my answer was too fast ;)
17:21<ryerke_>okay, gtg, tooth acting up again =/
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17:23<scientes>any ways i can install a deb onto the installer?
17:23<scientes>i really need mtd-utils
17:23<scientes>like flash_eraseall
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17:24<bluenemo>hi guys. kind of a nooby question, i've got evolution as mail client and it has some kind of black theme or so (just did the default install so far). the selection bar for the mails is black and the mail header (from, to and so on) is also black (with black fonts below that...). is there a setting to set a new theme or so?
17:26<Marillion>bluenemo: which Desktop you are use?
17:27<bluenemo>well i installed the default desktop system of debian (for the sound to work) but currently i'm on xmonad. didnt try it with gnome running though, also i would wonder if that would change anything
17:27<Marillion>bluenemo: ok, you mean Gnome, right?
17:27<bluenemo>s/wonder/dont think sorry
17:28<bluenemo>well yes i have all the gnome default packages installed (for desktop system in tasksel), but currently i'm on xmonad, which however has been started by the gnome login thing so gdm3 has also been started by init
17:28<Marillion>bluenemo: you sue the default desktop setting, like theme?
17:28<bluenemo>oh and yes i'm on wheezy
17:29<bluenemo>yes i didnt change anything on that in gnome, i'm quite sure. is there some gnome-foo command to set a new theme?
17:29<Marillion>bluenemo: whezzy is not supported here
17:29<Marillion>wheezy even
17:29<bluenemo>ah ok wow didnt know that. #debian-testing i guess?
17:29<Marillion>no, #debian-next
17:30<bluenemo>ah ok thank you :)
17:30<Marillion>you're welcome
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17:32<nevs>hi, i am trying to format my usb drive, can someone tell me what is the best way to achieve this
17:35<Marillion>nevs: an ordinary "cp -a" is enough
17:35<retrospectacus>nevs: something like: sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb # adjust for your USB device and desired fstype
17:36<retrospectacus>nevs: isn't it formatted already? Is there a problem you are having?
17:36<Marillion>oh achieve, my mistake, i read that as archive
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17:38<Marillion>retrospectacus: and btw., sudo is _not_ enabled by default in Debian, unless you enabled by d-i
17:38<nevs>i installed debian by using the usb drive (cat debian.iso > /dev/sdh)
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17:38<retrospectacus>Marillion: I know, it's just easier than saying "as root"
17:39<Marillion>retrospectacus: but "as root" is the right answer
17:39<retrospectacus>!sudosmite retrospectacus
17:39*dpkg takes a lump of 2x4 to retrospectacus and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!"
17:39<Marillion>:)
17:39<retrospectacus>nevs: as root, mkfs.vfat /dev/sdh
17:40<retrospectacus>or mkfs.ext3 or whatever, vfat is the usual fs for usb sticks for some reason (best supported)
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17:42<scientes>retrospectacus, its also quite a reasonable fs for flash media if you have to use a block layer
17:42<nevs>i get an error: mkfs.vfat: Device partition expected, not making filesystem on entire device '/dev/sdh' (use -I to override)
17:42<retrospectacus>you can also use fdisk to setup partitions on the usb drive (and then e.g. mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdh1; mkfs.vfat /dev/sdh2) but Windoz can't handle that
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17:43<retrospectacus>nevs: add -I i guess
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17:43<scientes>nevs, just override it
17:43<scientes>cause you don't need a partitoin table
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17:44<nevs>managed it, than you for your help
17:45<Marillion>and a journal filesystem is a bad idea *afaik*
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17:45<scientes>Marillion, there are journal file systems for flash
17:45<scientes>like yaffs
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17:46<Marillion>scientes: are your sure?
17:46<scientes>but they are not for fake block devices
17:46<scientes>i hate fake block devices
17:46<scientes>hell even though i use an SSD (a fake block device)
17:46<scientes>wish i could just put ubifs on it
17:47<Marillion>usb sticks has default fat, NOT a journal file systems
17:47<scientes>Marillion, the real problem is cheapo FTLs (which is on the hardware)
17:47<scientes>hence why i hate fake block devices
17:47<Marillion>scientes: i see :)
17:48<scientes>but even android uses fake block devices (sd cards) now
17:48<scientes>with ext4
17:48<scientes>^^which is a journal file system
17:48<scientes>BTW
17:49<scientes>holy shit this site is slow
17:49<scientes>ETA for a 3 MB file: 15 minutes
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17:54<scientes>how can i get the installer to not try to mount the ubifs
17:54<scientes>its panicing on that
17:54<scientes>oh wait my bad
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17:57<gkaklas>!flood | scientes
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17:58<gkaklas>scientes: don't use enter as punctionalty...
17:59<qpr>need to go, thank you for your help (you know who you are). I haven't had a chance to digest the ubuntu solution - will do so in the next couple of days when i have some spare time
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17:59<gkaklas>*punctuation
17:59<abrotman>gkaklas: /msg dpkg enter
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18:01<gkaklas>abrotman: yup, thanks! :)
18:01<abrotman>and scientes should know better
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20:36<Aleric>curl stopped working... Or rather openSSL
20:36<Aleric>since my last apt-get upgrade :/
20:36<sney>!doesn't work
20:36<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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20:37<mtnman>hello
20:37<sney>hi
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20:38<Aleric>sney: http://codepad.org/76VQ70om
20:38<Aleric>stopped working
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20:39<Aleric>It sends different data to the server... and then the server doesn't reply. It times out.
20:40<sney>anything in the bts?
20:40<Aleric>Not sure where to look... what library would this be?
20:41<Guest2863>I'm getting this error when doing an update. It asks me if I should do a safe-upgrade and I chose no. This package was left unchecked: http://paste.debian.net/173067/
20:41<Guest2863>Should I check it?
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20:56<Guest2863>I'm getting this error when doing an update. It asks me if I should do a safe-upgrade and I chose no. This package was left unchecked: http://paste.debian.net/173067/
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20:57<Guest2863>Just making sure I am in the right channel. I'm new here
20:58<devil>you are
20:58<Guest2863>devil: thank you sir
20:58<Guest2863>or mam
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21:00<devil>did you have libnss3 installed from backports?
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21:01<Guest2863>I would not have enabled backports until I saw I should update iceweasel through it yesterday, but I don't think it installed it...it just updated iceweasel. i could check if I knew how.
21:02<Guest2863>"but I don't think I installed it"
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21:04<devil>i can't really help you as i never used stable or backports
21:07<Guest2863>devil: ok. what do you use?
21:07<devil>unstable
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21:09<birch>hello. I am trying to switch my server from ubuntu to debian now that my ubuntu version is no longer supported for updates. Unfortunately I have multiple raid partitions. I am trying to install Debian Stable and have the partitions automounted but I am having some problems. Anyone with experience in this area please contact me, thank you. I have my /etc/fstab and related info.
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21:29<Guest2863>I'm getting this error when doing an update. It asks me if I should do a safe-upgrade and I chose no. This package was left unchecked: http://paste.debian.net/173070 Update to expire in 24 hours instead of one.
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21:41<caoxiaomin>有中国人吗
21:41<TCW>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=675971 <- wow...
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21:44<caoxiaomin>你们都是洋鬼子吗
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21:54<cmoneywhite2005>hello, i could use some help
21:55<birch>cmoneywhite2005, it's better to just state your problem than ask for help. Chances are if you're here then you need help, so state your problem and someone knowledgeable will get to it when they can.
21:56<caoxiaomin>没人会说中国话吗
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21:56<cmoneywhite2005>im having trouble installing a gui on debian
21:56<craigevil>!ops caoxiaomin
21:56<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: craigevil complains about: caoxiaomin
21:56<craigevil>cmoneywhite2005, what are you wanting to install?
21:56<birch>cmoneywhite2005, which gui, which version of debian, and what are the specs (amd, intl, server, desktop, laptop, etc)
21:56<mentor>Do we have a language specific factoid for that?
21:57<cmoneywhite2005>preferably a KDE gui, im using an amd desktop
21:57<craigevil>!cn
21:57<dpkg>如果您想得到中文的帮助,请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道,进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" (不含引号),谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
21:57<craigevil>that maybe?
21:57<cmoneywhite2005>possibly gnome, and the latest version of debian
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21:58<craigevil>cmoneywhite2005, cd1 or netinstall will install gnome, or kde
21:58<mentor>caoxiaomin
21:58<cmoneywhite2005>i did a netinstall and it didnt
21:58<mentor>craigevil: Thanks
21:58<cmoneywhite2005>unless i have to start it
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21:58<craigevil>cmoneywhite2005, did you choose desktop when it asked what you wanted to install
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21:58<cmoneywhite2005>yes
21:59<sney>cmoneywhite2005, you can also run 'tasksel' in the installed system to see that menu again
22:00<cmoneywhite2005>hmm aparently i installed the server without realizing it
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22:03<birch>cmoneywhite2005, you can just use apt-get to install gnome, kde, xfce, etc
22:03<cmoneywhite2005>i tried that
22:03<birch>have you tried restarting? you might have to manually start it.
22:04<birch>what message did you get when tried to use apt-get?
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22:06<cmoneywhite2005>that it couldnt find kde or gnome
22:07<Hydroxide>those aren't precise package names
22:07<cmoneywhite2005>i looked online and found them but it didnt help
22:08<Hydroxide>for kde you'd want kde-standard or kde-full depending on if you want KDE without various extras or KDE with the extras
22:08<cmoneywhite2005>alrighty
22:08<Hydroxide>for GNOME there is actually a package called gnome, equivalent to kde-full, or gnome-desktop-environment, equivalent to kde-standard
22:09<Hydroxide>for xfce you'd want package xfce4
22:09<cmoneywhite2005>im doing a re-install to see if i messed something up
22:09<cmoneywhite2005>never used xfce in the past
22:09<Hydroxide>good luck. everything I said assumes you're using debian 6.0 'squeeze' - if you're using something else, let us know so we can direct you to the right place
22:09<cmoneywhite2005>yes im using 6.0
22:10<Hydroxide>cmoneywhite2005: cool. if you're reinstalling the OS, you can request gnome, kde, or xfce more simply in the installer
22:10<cmoneywhite2005>yeah?
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22:11<sney>cmoneywhite2005, also, if you selected the desktop environment while you were installing and it didn't give you any gui, it's possible your network connection wasn't working during the install
22:11<Hydroxide>cmoneywhite2005: which install medium are you using?
22:11<cmoneywhite2005>we'll its working now i guess, im using the netinstall
22:12<Hydroxide>cmoneywhite2005: take a look at the "Note" within http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch06s03.html.en#pkgsel
22:12<cmoneywhite2005>i just didnt want to take the time to download all the cds/dvds
22:13<Hydroxide>cmoneywhite2005: so if you choose 'desktop environment' and have network when you install, it'll default to GNOME. If you want KDE or Xfce or LXDE, either choose one of the Advanced options -> Alternative desktop environments or give the desktop=kde/desktop=xfce/desktop=lxde option at boot
22:13<Hydroxide>as that note explains
22:13<Hydroxide>but by default, you should have GNOME (version 2, not version 3, at least in squeeze)
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22:15<cmoneywhite2005>i think i had my network configured wrong
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22:18<Hydroxide>gotcha
22:18<Hydroxide>glad it's solved
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22:50<crunchbang>Is anyone around that can help with truecrypt full disk encryption?
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22:53<bbsjason>roar'
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22:59<birch>ok, this is very bad. I just installed Debian but it never asked me for my username and password info. It just finished the install and has me in the login menu and wants a username and password, but I never configured either. Is there a default for these? Debian stable 64bit on raided drives...
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23:03<sney>birch, did you set a root password?
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23:05<birch>sney, I did not. When I did the install I did advanced options > graphical install. I was never prompted for the normal user setup, which was weird. I'm retrying the process now with the graphical install on the main screen. But no, there was no root password setup. Is there a default or should I restart the process? I'm very worried about the state of my raid drives in this process...should I be worried?
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23:06<sney>birch, it should always ask to set up user accounts and a root password. did you do expert install and skip that step? or are you using some custom installer?
23:06<birch>sney i tihnk i accidentally did the expert install
23:07<sney>next time don't do that unless you're an expert at using the debian installer. it will let you skip important steps, as you just found out
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23:08<birch>sney, i guess so. i have 3 raid drives and i've been very worried about their states during my switch from ubuntu to debian. are there any pitfalls i should watch out for? thank you for the help.
23:08<sney>what kind if raid setup is it? software?
23:09<birch>sney, software raid. / is raid 1 on the same 2 drives as a raid 1 for /home. then there's a three drive raid 5 to hold all of my data. i told debian to format / and /home and use the raid 5 as /store but not to format it.
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23:10<sney>ok. debian won't format anything unless you explicitly tell it to, and md in debian is identical to md in ubuntu, so you should be fine
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23:11<birch>sney, awesome, thank you. if this goes wrong i lose 4 yrs and 4tb of work and data :/
23:11<sney>backups, man
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23:11<birch>sney, the raid 5 is my back up, lol. i don't have enough drives to have a backup of 4tb of data. that's what the raid 5 is for.
23:12<sney>here's my professional opinion as a datacenter technician: raid isn't a backup
23:12<birch>everytime i set up drives i try to make them more secure and i always end up spending way more money on it than i had before. my previous setup was just a single 2tb drive with another as a back up.
23:12<birch>sney i'm a recent grad and applying for junior sysadmin positions, lol. guess this is a lesson i should be learning now.
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23:14<sney>ok, fair enough. if you wind up working corporate/financial you will find they are often throwing out old equipment that is still useful. snag the first DLT drive you see in the dumpster
23:14<sney>and then back up what's important to you. multiple simultaneous hard drive failures isn't as uncommon as you'd think.
23:15<birch>sney yeah i'm looking at places in nyc, trying to snag the first entry level admin position i can find. everything wants 1-3 years experience min and i don't think that using linux since 2006 for my person stuff counts, lol.
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23:18<sney>birch, check your messages
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