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---Logopened Sat Jun 09 00:00:13 2012
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00:29<xtick>Hello!
00:29<xtick>Tried to upgrade to squeeze wheezy.
00:29<xtick>Put repository stable and testing.
00:29<xtick>Run the upgrade
00:29<xtick>It seems renewed, but Gnome 3 will not start. When you enter a user name says error.
00:29<xtick>Help please understand.
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00:31<youlysses>The gnome2 to gnome3 upgrade is a hard upgrade process. If possible, I recommend starting on wheezy.
00:32<DennisTheTiger>youlysses: OK, that's news to me. If I dist-upgrade, what am I in for with gnome?
00:33<xtick>I do not have immediately put Wheezy. I have already changed, and made an update. Now a lot of mistakes and Gnome will not start
00:34<DennisTheTiger>xtick: Did you dist-upgrade, or just 'apt-get update && aptitude safe-upgrade', or...?
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00:35<xtick>aptitude install -f
00:35<xtick>aptitude dist-upgrade
00:37<xtick>Mode TWN loaded.
00:37<xtick>And Gnome does not want = (
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00:37<youlysses>DennisTheTiger: I never had a "flawless" upgrade (did it on 4+ times). It's still in testing mind you (and me), but there has been some issues. Weird graphical things, tearing, and the like.
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00:38<DennisTheTiger>youlysses: Only time I had one go flawless is a) when I did ->squeeze, or when it was my server (and thereby nothing graphical).
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00:38<youlysses>DennisTheTiger: Yes, non-graphical installs are pure ease. :-)
00:38<youlysses>*mostly
00:39<DennisTheTiger>youlysses: Yeah, but I'm not switching my server to wheezy until it is about to go stable.
00:39<DennisTheTiger>=D
00:39<youlysses>DennisTheTiger: Perfectly Understandable.
00:40<youlysses>DennisTheTiger: The main reason I'm on sid right now is because I'm in love with GNOME3. :-)
00:40<xtick>Already 1,000 times regretted that he had begun updating = (
00:40<youlysses>*Also at some point I hope to jein the Debian-Gnome team.
00:40<youlysses>xtick: Did you backup before you started?
00:41<xtick>Of course!
00:41<xtick>I feel sorry for your time and nerves spent on updating
00:41<DennisTheTiger>I have a backup, but I'm still not sure I want to go in yet. dist-upgrade is taking a LOT of time resolving dependencies.
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00:42<youlysses>xtick: Then just do a clean install of wheezy. ;-)
00:42<DennisTheTiger>Feh, remove a couple of things....
00:43<youlysses>DennisTheTiger: It's a "MASSIVE" update.
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00:43<xtick>Thank you for your support.
00:43<xtick>Bye bye!
00:43<youlysses>Gnome2 and 3 are completely different beasts.
00:43<DennisTheTiger>youlysses: Indeed. I just pulled proposed-updates out of my sources.
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00:43<youlysses>xtick: Good luck!
00:44<chris9>Ive installed and set up pulse audio on a laptop with 4 built in speakers. When I plug in headphones audio stops coming out of only of two of the speakers. Is there a way to set it up so when I plug in headphones sound will stop coming out of all the speakers?
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00:46<youlysses>chris9: Oh course! I kust have no idea how...
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00:47<youlysses>You could lurk in here, or I believe there is a #pulseaudio?
00:47<youlysses>*just
00:47<chris9>I wasnt sure if its pulseaudio or alsa, Im not sure what the difference between the two
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00:48<chris9>there is not a #pulseaudio
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00:51<Guest3256>Is there a way to switch sda1 and sda2 so that sda1 will be at the front of the drive
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00:51<Guest3256>I wan't sda1 as the first partition
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00:52<Guest3256>^ want
00:52<DennisTheTiger>Guest3256: Are you doing the install right now?
00:52<Guest3256>yes
00:53<Guest3256>ready to
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00:53<DennisTheTiger>Guest3256: Go back to the disk partitionin setup, rearrange your partitions. Easy peasy.
00:53<Guest3256>I'm on a live system now
00:53<Yos>sound works but now on youtube, any ideas ?
00:54<Yos>s/now/not
00:54<DennisTheTiger>fdisk then.
00:55<Guest3256>Dennis it's an ssd I had to use gdisk not as easy as gparted
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00:59<xtick>I updated! Gnome 3 works great.
00:59<xtick>Posted by squeeze repos backporting! And Gnome start up =)))
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00:59<DennisTheTiger>xtick: Rock! What was the magic recipe?
01:00<xtick>Debian Backports
01:00<DennisTheTiger>Go fig. =D
01:01<xtick>Added Debian repository Batskports
01:01<xtick>And safe-upgrade
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01:14<Yos>no sound with youtube (flash) any ideas ?
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01:40<DennisTheTiger>Yos: Yes, but none related to your problem. =D
01:41<Yos>hmm
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01:44<vortek>wich xwindows has the most eyecandy? e16?
01:45<vortek>babilen: ya there?
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01:46<vortek>any ideas?
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01:50<vortek>anyone?
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01:51<scientes>how can i take two files, and create a "common file" that has lines in both files, and then remove the common lines from the orig files?
01:52<scientes>order does not matter
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01:53<scientes>i tried "comm" but i couldn't get it to work right
01:54<scientes>the number of lines in the end files does not match that of the input files
01:55<scientes>"If the input files are not properly presorted, the output of comm might not be useful."
01:55<scientes>oh
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01:59<scientes>that did it
02:04<scientes>nah, while that led to the same number of lines, it still is inaccurate
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02:12<linker>hola
02:13<linker>hi
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02:22<ayaka>if I broke /usr/include , can I recovery iy
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02:35<grepper>ayaka: how did you 'break' it ?
02:36<ayaka>grepper, in kerenl src make INSTALL_HDB_PATH=/usr header_install
02:36<ayaka>something like that
02:37<grepper>so you think it overwrote files ? Or just added unwanted ones there ?
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02:38<ayaka>grepper, no, I can't even find stdio.h
02:39<ayaka>grepper, I have to reinstall libc6-dev, or maybe the backports upgrade breaks it
02:39<ayaka>I can't use backports at all, I want to date back
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02:43<grepper>reinstall it then ... I don't understand
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02:45<ayaka>grepper, but how about the others packages, I can reinstall them all by hand
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02:47<grepper>you search the output of 'dpkg -l' for -dev packages for starters
02:48<ayaka>grepper, I know that
02:48<grepper>COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/-dev / {print $2}' , or somesuch
02:48<grepper>okay
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02:48<ayaka>grepper, yes that script is useful, I just need pipe
02:50<grepper>| xargs apt-get --reinstall install
02:50<ayaka>| xargs apt-get --reinstall install -y
02:51<ayaka>or it will abort
02:51<grepper>yeah
02:51<ayaka>but it seems that the gcc in backports is broken, it can't recognize -m64
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03:02<scientes>ayaka, you need the gcc-multilib packages to use -m64 on i386
03:03<ayaka>scientes, but I don't meet problem before I try backports
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03:03<ayaka>scientes, I have it
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03:03<scientes>oh, then it might be multiarch too
03:04<ayaka>scientes, squeeze need multiarch ?
03:04<scientes>no the new version of gcc might not support multilib w/o multiarch
03:05<ayaka>scientes, so I can't compile kernel?
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03:06<scientes>ayaka, you can with non-backport gcc
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03:06<scientes>or you can compile the 32-bit kernel on 32-bit
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03:06<notaname>anybody using Quassel?
03:06<scientes>bit apparently not amd64 kernel on i386 with backport gcc
03:07<ayaka>scientes, but I can't downgrade
03:07<scientes>ayaka, you can install the old gcc side-by-side
03:07<scientes>like 4.5
03:07<ayaka>scientes, but how to downgrade
03:07<scientes>apt-get install gcc-4.5
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03:09<ayaka>,version gcc
03:09<judd>Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.2-4; sid: 4:4.7.0-6
03:09<ayaka>scientes, but the original is 4.4
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03:15<scientes>well then apt-get install gcc-4.4
03:15<scientes>you can have multiple versions of gcc installed
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03:18<ayaka>scientes, I see thank
03:18<berinam>scientes, I see thank
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03:20<scientes>ayaka, to compile a specific program with a specific version, use the CC variable, ie CC=gcc-4.4 make modules vmlinuz
03:20<berinam>ayaka, to compile a specific program with a specific version, use the CC variable, ie CC=gcc-4.4 make modules vmlinuz
03:20<scientes>!ops berinam bot
03:20<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: scientes complains about: berinam bot
03:20<berinam>!ops berinam bot
03:20<berinam>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: scientes complains about: berinam bot
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03:26<ayaka>oh, it is maybe not gcc problem, I try abother simply c file, it can use
03:26<berinam>oh, it is maybe not gcc problem, I try abother simply c file, it can use
03:26<ayaka>!ops berinam bot
03:26<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ayaka complains about: berinam bot
03:26<berinam>!ops berinam bot
03:26<berinam>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ayaka complains about: berinam bot
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03:57<ayaka>http://paste.debian.net/173615/
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03:59<scientes>make nconfig
04:00<scientes>maybe with ARCH=i386
04:00<scientes>but it might be x86, im not sure
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04:01<ayaka>scientes, but it seems not the cross compil problem
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04:02<scientes>ayaka, what does uname -m print?
04:02<ayaka>x86_64
04:02<scientes>oh
04:02<scientes>well you clearly have a problem then
04:03<ayaka>scientes, a very hard problem doesn't it
04:03<scientes>not neccicarily, I just don't know what the problem is
04:03<ayaka>I shouldn't have tried backports
04:03<scientes>try CC=gcc-4.4 make
04:04<ayaka>scientes, tried ,same
04:04<ayaka>4.3 same
04:04<scientes>ayaka, did you configure the kernel?
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04:04<ayaka>scientes, yes, and I have it before, I have tired make x86_64_defconfig
04:05<ayaka>have used
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04:05<ayaka>tried
04:05<scientes>do you have a cross compiler prefix set in your config?
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04:08<ayaka>scientes, no
04:08<ayaka>CROSS_CONFIG_CROSS_COMPILE=""
04:11<ayaka>scientes, but I have a cross tool in /usr/local/bin/
04:12<ayaka>scientes, I remove it now, nouse
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04:48<Yos>where is kernel source? It doesn't appear to be in /usr/src/linux
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04:50<scientes>Yos, apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r`
04:51<scientes>Yos, /usr/src/linux is only for sanitized headers for building linux modules
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04:54<anonym_>ku
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04:56<zodok>hi
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04:57<zodok>hi bhargav
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04:59<zodok>hello
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05:00<Yos>scientes: and in what folder should I download that to ?
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05:00<scientes>doesn'yt matter
05:00<Yos>ok
05:00<scientes>somewhere in your home folder
05:01<scientes>the full history is available from kernel.org
05:01<scientes>with git
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05:15<Yos>where is version.h ?
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05:21<Noir>Hi! At the start of Debian I pressed the "Pause" key on my keyboard ... How to continue to boot, please? (sorry for my bad english, i'm french)
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05:25<scientes>yos, find | grep version.h
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05:27<Yos>found it
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05:29<Yos>scientes: do you have a few minutes to help me figure out why sound is working, but not working with youtube nor a file I downloaded with youtube-dl ?
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05:30<Yos>/s/is/isn't
05:30<scientes>do you have flash for youtube?
05:30<Yos>yes
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05:31<scientes>do you have mp3 decoder to play the file?
05:31<scientes>(does any sound work?)
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05:32<Yos>sound works when I run a stream radio in vlc
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05:37<Noir>bye
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06:03<Osiris_X>is there a way to run an graphical app on a remote machine without being constrained by the remote machines X windows resolution? (as is the case I think when using VNC)
06:04<Osiris_X>my local machine has a much better resolution
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06:15<SynrG>Osiris_X: yes. make sure the remote machine has additional modelines added for the resolutions you want
06:15<SynrG>hmm
06:16<Osiris_X>SynrG: and then I will be able to increase the resolution through vnc?
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06:16<Osiris_X>the remote hardware is a laptop with and lcd panel and graphics card that physically cannot do the higher resolutions
06:16<SynrG>yeah. my work system does 1440x900 and my home 1280x1024
06:17<SynrG>work system is intel gfx. that *may* matter
06:17<SynrG>at home when connected via VNC, i xrandr to change the remote display to 1280x1024
06:18<Osiris_X>SynrG: I see I think your remote machine can handle the resolution it just means the screen would scroll
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06:18<Osiris_X>I think I need to go down the ssh X11 forwarding route ...
06:19<SynrG>well, with intel you also have --panning and --scale
06:19<SynrG>the screen doesn't scroll. it's just squished
06:19<SynrG>squished on one axis, stretched on the other
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06:20<SynrG>so it appears the intel driver knows to scale
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06:21<Osiris_X>SynrG: hmmm I believe mine is a 1st gen radeon capable of 1024x768x16 .
06:21<SynrG>i think i've done this successfully with a netbook with intel gfx and explicitly using --panning or --scale
06:21<SynrG>i mean, with netbook as remote
06:22<SynrG>but i don't use that daily. that was just a test.
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06:22<SynrG>no extra modeline was needed for that
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06:22<Osiris_X>SynrG: I've solved the problem now - I set up openssh on the remote machine and enabled X11 forwarding
06:22<SynrG>ya
06:24<SynrG>you might play with the radeon driver, though. see if it handles --panning and/or --scale now too
06:24<SynrG>if it's squeeze, probably not, but things may have changed
06:24<SynrG>i mean with wheezy/sid
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06:41<Deltatash>hi, I have added to my souces list the souirce for the beta ice weasel so I can be a bit more up to date with my web browser but when i run apt-get update I get this error
06:41<Deltatash>W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A
06:41<Deltatash>sorry for a noob question but how do i verify this public key?
06:42<themill>did you read the mozilla.debian.net webpage? (also, do you really want "beta" not "release")
06:42<Deltatash>the normal releaseis a bit outdated for my liking :P
06:42<Deltatash>ill go back and read the web page
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06:43<babilen>Deltatash: release has IW 12 -- Is that *really* too outdated?
06:43<babilen>,v iceweasel
06:43<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-backports: 10.0.5esr-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.5esr-1; wheezy: 10.0.5esr-1; experimental: 13.0-1
06:43<babilen>Deltatash: Also note that you can get 10 from http://backports.debian.org
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06:44<Deltatash>12? why does squeeze tell me i have like 3. something installed or 4.
06:44<themill>13, even
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06:46<Deltatash>thing is.. I dont kno wwhy but iceweasel is so laggy and buggy for some reason on my system
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06:46<Deltatash>but if I install firefox its a lot smoother and less jagged when page scrolling, but its too much hassle toinstall firefox correctly lolhaving to get all the system links etc
06:47<themill>So, feel free to grab iceweasel 10 from backports or iceweasel 13 from mozilla.debian.net
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06:48<Deltatash>will do :) just following instructions now to get it to update and install :) hopefully the newer one will be less laggy fo rme
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06:52<Deltatash>damn im getting tons of error messages of dependencies that cant be installed....
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06:53<Deltatash>any idea how to fix this? http://paste.debian.net/173640/ :s
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06:54<themill>please always pastebin the command you used as well as the output
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06:55<Deltatash>here you go http://paste.debian.net/173641/
06:57<Deltatash>and if i try to install that xulrunner myslef i get this http://paste.debian.net/173642/
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06:58<Deltatash>does this mean ill have to stick with the default stable iceweasel? instead of the beta I added to my sources list? unless ofc I start using all beta packages to? if thats the case ill go through the hassle of installing firefox or keep the default ice weasel and put up with the laggy page scrolling >.< lol
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07:00<themill>Deltatash: check that command.... squeeze-backports not squeeze0backports
07:00<han_>gg
07:00<Deltatash>hmm ok
07:00<themill>Deltatash: also, using aptitude rather than apt-get will more often solve these problems.
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07:01<Deltatash>really?
07:03<Deltatash>themill i changed my commanbd like you said and it installed iceweasel 10.0.5 for me :D im no longer on like version 3.x.x
07:03<Deltatash>:D thanks a lot cant believe i messed that command up like that xD
07:03<Deltatash>now to see if my page scrolling still lags like hell xD
07:03<themill>np -- that's why we like to see the command :)
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07:07<Deltatash>Hmm using firefox 10.0 seems to have crashed my laptop whole thing froze had to restart by using power button lol
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07:09<Deltatash>just installed an update for iceweasel seems to be fine now. its so much smoother than the older version when scrolling things like facebook :D still lags now and then but its nothing compared to what it used to be! thanks for the help themill :D
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07:17<chommik>how long do bug tickets usually wait to resolve?
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07:27<ayaka>I find out problem, I set CROSS_COMPILE in .profile
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07:28<hyperspace>I am installing libreoffice. A 'apt-cache show libreoffice' is recommending libreoffice-l10n- .I can't find one for en-us. Is that packet just for translating?
07:29<babilen>hyperspace: The default is typically en-us -- I have no idea if this applies to libreoffice though.
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07:31<hyperspace>I can see that hunspell-en-us was installed. Not sure with the libreoffice-l10n is for.
07:32<hyperspace>since hunspell is used by libreoffice
07:32<chommik>packages.debian.org told me, that -en-us is provided by libreoffice-common
07:32<chommik>http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libreoffice-l10n-en-us
07:33<hyperspace>thank you for clearing that up chommik
07:33<chommik>no problem :)
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07:33<chommik>and babilen was right, en-us is included by default
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08:17<mar3k>Hello all, i have a question (may be a stupid one) what is the difference between the Debian and RedHat disrto. in terms of maybe kernel/driver etc i.e. difference in means of kernel driver files etc not the package, gui, frontend
08:18<gnugr>!why debian
08:18<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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08:47<chris9>ive noticed that debian does not have the service command. So instead of doing 'service (servicename) stop' I now need to do '/etc/init.d/(servicename)'. Ive looked online and it looks like there is a utility called sysvconfig but I am unable to find it. Im using debian squeeze. Have any of you seen this utility for squeeze?
08:48<andrey--k1>maybe "sudo service [tab, tab]"
08:48<andrey--k1>?
08:49<chris9>ohhh...that worked. For some reason Im not able to do this as a standard user
08:49*chris9 facepalm
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08:51<chris9>well I created a bash script stored in /etc/init.d/ to start up virtual machines. These machines were not designed to run under the root user. Is there a way to grant the service command privilages to a standard user?
08:53<andrey--k1>user should no have any rights to manipulate services... may be better place script in rc.local?
08:53<chris9>where is that located at?
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08:55<chris9>ahh...I thought rc.local was going to be a folder
08:57<chris9>lost track of time...sorry to leave so soon
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09:11<drask>I'm having some trouble connecting to the squeeze repositories the last couple of days - http.us.debian.org. Is something up or is it me?
09:11<themill>drask: can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update" for us?
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09:13<elops>he fancy gui tools removed my X, did it happen with anyone else?
09:15<elops>?
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09:20<drask>I'm getting a bunch of messages like this: Err http://http.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/main Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 199.6.12.70 80]
09:21<drask>The whole output is pretty long
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09:21<themill>!show sources.list drask
09:21<dpkg>drask: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
09:22<GUSTI>CUPANK
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09:28<drask>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
09:28<drask>deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates non-free contrib main
09:28<drask>deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates main nonfree contrib
09:28<drask>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze contrib main non-free
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09:28<goodell>Hello all, I'm running wheezy with kernel linux-2.6.32-5-686 and xorg 1.12.1.902-1 packages. I recently upgraded from squeeze. To my knowledge I have no sid packages;
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09:28<goodell>my middle mouse (scroll) wheel no longer works.
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09:28<goodell>It is a standard (ancient) Microsoft mouse.
09:28<themill>dpkg: tell drask about pastebin
09:29<andrey--k>try to change squeeze/updates to squeeze-updates
09:29<themill>umm.. no
09:29<goodell>investigation with xev suggests that Xorg is not receiving any button events from the center button, including presses and scrolls.
09:29<goodell>left-click looks like "1" and right-click looks like "3" but nothing for the center at all.
09:31<goodell>http://pastebin.com/5yLuBTAv
09:31<goodell>(pasted with shift+insert, incidentally) :)
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09:31<pokemola>hola
09:31<goodell>That is the relevant section from xorg.conf. So how do I get the middle mouse button to work? Is this a known issue? I have read a bit about it online.
09:32<goodell>But none of the proposed solutions work for me.
09:32<pokemola>hello im from spain
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09:33<pokemola>hey im from spain
09:34<goodell>pokemola: Hello, I'm from Massachusetts.
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09:36<babilen>goodell: I would start by completely upgrading to wheezy (you are, for example, still running an ancient kernel)
09:36<babilen>s/ancient/squeeze
09:37<pokemola> im not talk english are you talk spanish
09:37<babilen>!es
09:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:38<goodell>babilen: OK. I'll need new nvidia video kernel modules and openafs also; I guess I can rebuild these
09:38<goodell>babilen: any other thoughts before I climb that mountain?
09:38<babilen>!tell goodell -about nvidia dkms
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09:40<babilen>goodell: The nvida module and openafs module should be recompiled for new kernels automatically if you installed the DKMS variant and if you have the kernel headers around. I would install linux-image-ARCH (e.g. linux-image-amd64) and linux-headers-ARCH (e.g. linux-headers-amd64) for the kernel.
09:40<babilen>!tell goodell -about xorg.conf
09:40<babilen>!tell goodell -about xorg.conf.d
09:41<goodell>babilen: actually the nvidia kernel module that I've got is nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms, so it sounds like that ought to work;
09:42<goodell>I am using xorg.conf, among other things to manage my four monitors and rotate one of them.
09:42<babilen>ack
09:42<goodell>(did I mention that the video cards are PCI?) (I figured it was not important.)
09:43<babilen>Just wanted to mention that you can quite easily split your xorg.conf into single files in xorg.conf.d
09:43<goodell>that sounds much more logical.
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09:43<goodell>(in theory anyway)
09:44<goodell>OK, so should I get a 3.x kernel, such as 3.2.0-2-686-pae?
09:45<babilen>goodell: As I said earlier: I would just install suitable metapackages such as linux-image-686-pae and linux-headers-686-pae -- They depend on the lates kernel and you don't have to worry about upgrading them manually.
09:45<goodell>OK, great.
09:46<babilen>goodell: You can, naturally, also install specific kernel/header packages if you prefer that.
09:46<goodell>*nod* it sounds like we're on the same page with the kernel.
09:47<goodell>I'll pick up openafs-modules-dkms and see if it all just works
09:51<babilen>goodell: Is it a PS/2 mouse?
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10:10<drask>Sorry about that. I've been cleaning up my sources, and now the error I'm getting is W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release Unable to find expected entry nonfree/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
10:11<drask>I don't think I have actually installed anything from the squeeze/updates directory, so I can just turn it off. It just seems curious to me that it suddenly stopped working
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10:18<themill>!show sources.list drask
10:18<dpkg>drask: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
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10:18<themill>drask: please put your sources.list in a pastebin.
10:18<themill>drask: http://paste.debian.net/ is good.
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10:23<carlinux>Good morning, I had to reinstall debian .. vt82xx but my plate is not emitting sound .. Can someone help me?
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10:27<carlinux1>Good morning, reinstalled debian and the sound does not work, VT8237 card ... the modules is active
10:28<carlinux1>help me ..
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10:39<Noir>Hi ! For remove correctly a packet, it's "apt-get --purge remove [packet]" or "apt-get remove --purge [packet]" ?
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10:41<carlinux1>Noir..yes.. remove apt-get --purge remove packege ...
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10:42<carlinux1>someone has installed this NIC ... VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
10:42<Noir>carlinux1, thx ! :)
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11:37<perlgeek>hi. I just upgraded to wheezy, and have two problems
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11:38<perlgeek>first, iceweasel totally botches up rendering of ligatures; see http://moritz.faui2k3.org/tmp/ff-ligature-fail.png for a screenshot
11:38<perlgeek>(that's meant to be an 'ff', and the source code contains ff too)
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11:39<perlgeek>second, parrot (upstream) fails to build from source: http://lists.parrot.org/pipermail/parrot-dev/2012-June/006974.html I suspect that's related to the libc upgrade
11:39<perlgeek>any idea how I can fix those?
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11:40<sney>there were a lot of font rendering issues a while ago but they were resolved with a libcairo update, iirc
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11:41<perlgeek>sney: so, I wait until the libcairo with the fixes comes to testing?
11:41<sney>no, I mean it was in testing already. maybe 3 weeks ago?
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11:41<sney>you should check the bts for iceweasel, though.
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11:42<perlgeek>sney: will do, thanks
11:42<sney>also, wheezy/sid support belongs in #debian-next
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11:43<maros>Hello, I had to reinstall my laptop and I would like to ask what is the best way to add my previous encrypted partition so it can be mounted at start of system ( its for /home mount point)
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11:50<maros>I guess I am not asking in right place
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11:53<sney>maros, there are usually more people helping during the week
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11:55<maros>sney, but is it ok to ask that here ? sry i am new in debian
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11:59<sney>maros, yes you can, and if nobody answers you just wait a while and try again
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12:01<grummund>Hi, have 512MB ram fitted, free -m shows 240MB used.
12:01<grummund>where is all my memory gone? - http://pastebin.com/Ee9q6mbH
12:01<sney>!free memory
12:01<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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12:02<grummund>ah, thanks. :)
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12:08<dane>привет всем
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12:08<dane>Есть вопрос
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12:08<dane>как я понимаю ,тут все англоязычные?
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12:10<dane>эй ,мне кто нибудь ответит?
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12:14<themill>!ru
12:14<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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12:29<goodell_>babilen: thank you for your help.
12:29<goodell_>babilen: upgrading to linux 3.x seems to have resolved my problem.
12:30<goodell_>(although I am not entirely certain that I understand why...)
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12:31<babilen>goodell: Wonderful. Could you show me the output of "aptitude search '~o'" and "apt-cache policy" on http://paste.debian.net please?
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12:50<maros>sney, I have solved my problem by filling up /etc/crypttab and then appropriately change /etc/fstab
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12:57<kusanagi>is there a way to limit the upload of a program in realtime?
12:58<kusanagi>ive found trickle, witch does not allow me to change values in real time
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12:58<kusanagi>ive also found wondershepar that operates on eth0
12:58<kusanagi>:/
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13:06<Guest3292>nick jackson5
13:07<Guest3292>hi guys. would anyone be nice and direct me where i could remove a driver in Debian ?
13:07-!-Guest3292 is now known as jacksons3
13:07<towo`>jacksons3, a driver sayes nothing
13:08<jacksons3>then to disable completely a hardware
13:08<jacksons3>it's about my laptop touchpad
13:09<jacksons3>i've spilled water and something's wrong
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13:09<jacksons3>it conflicts with my usb mice
13:09<jacksons3>also, i've rebooted in windows and checked another hdd bith ubuntu on it, and it's the same thing
13:09<jacksons3>i need to disable the thing properly so i can use my mouse
13:09<jacksons3>please help
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13:15<stepp>Jackson, I'm brazilian, so I speak english too bad. Ok?
13:15<stepp>Well...
13:15<jacksons3>it's ok
13:16<stepp>you set up your mouse correctly?
13:16<jacksons3>lol
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13:17<stepp>what is lol?
13:17<stepp>or no?
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13:19<jacksons3>thank you for trying anyway
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13:20<sun>can I use debian testing repo on squeez?
13:20<jacksons3>no
13:20<stepp>ok.
13:20<sun>why?
13:20<jacksons3>it will fuck up everything
13:20<stepp>use the command...
13:20<jacksons3>i've tried it
13:20<babilen>sun: Because it will break your system -- What are you really trying to do?
13:20<stepp>in terminal
13:20<sun>I want new software
13:20<jacksons3>if you need new apps, just install testing
13:21<jacksons3>stable is horrible
13:21<sun>thanx
13:21<jacksons3>it's only for servers that don't reboot
13:21<sun>my computer is slow dont suport gnome 3
13:22<jacksons3>gdm3 sucks anyway
13:22<jacksons3>revert to 2
13:22<jacksons3>after you install
13:22<babilen>jacksons3: Please give reasonable advice -- stable is far from horrible and installing testing is far from a good idea.
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13:22<stepp>mount /dev/psaux
13:22<jacksons3>you stick to stable then
13:23<babilen>jacksons3: We have backports for a reason and there are many users who run Debian on production system. They *definitely* shouldn't upgrade to testing. As shouldn't users who don't know much about Debian as they will run into situations they can't handle themselves.
13:23<jacksons3>stepp, that's not helping
13:23<jacksons3>yea, you use backports
13:23<jacksons3>they are practically retarded if there's something unsupported
13:24<jacksons3>backports are only for iceweasel and few other apps
13:24<jacksons3>they don't even support vlc for fuck's sake
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13:24<jacksons3>i had to upgrade my whole damn thing because of vlc
13:24<jacksons3>how stupid is that
13:24<jacksons3>also pidgin
13:24<jacksons3>some of the most used apps on linux
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13:25<jacksons3>and stable diesn't support them
13:25<jacksons3>don't tell me it's far from horrible
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13:26<jacksons3>you want more ?
13:26<jacksons3>even the latest wine
13:26<jacksons3>and there are a shitload of famous apps backports do not support until latest versions
13:26<sun>if I dont use new apps can I use squeez for ever?
13:26<sun>then I most install wheezy
13:26<sun>but I dont like gnome3
13:26<sun>I want somthing faster
13:26<jacksons3>they still have few years old versions
13:27<jacksons3>do what you want man
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13:28<sun>I want somthing is stabel newes and fast in my old pc
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13:29<jacksons3>testing if more than stable
13:30<jacksons3>don't let the name fool you
13:30<jacksons3>we are not talking about some stupid windows beta here
13:30<jacksons3>this is the power of linux
13:30<themill>we are talking about something that can and will get some pretty serious problems.... like no support for ATI non-free drivers at present
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13:32<sun>then I use debian wheezy but if was slow on my pc iI will return to squeez
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13:32<jacksons3>themill wootttt. it doesn't support ati ?
13:33<jacksons3>and the stable does ?
13:33<jacksons3>hmmm
13:33<themill>jacksons3: sure. At the moment.
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13:33<jacksons3>can't you set up the old drivers that work on stable ?
13:33<themill>no. If it were that easy, it would have been done.
13:33<jacksons3>there must be a workaround
13:33<jacksons3>that sucks
13:34<jacksons3>ati always had problems on linux
13:34<themill>jacksons3: sure, don't run testing for the moment. Testing is called testing for a reason.
13:34*themill takes away jacksons3's enter key
13:34<jacksons3>that's why i buy nvidia video laptops
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13:34<jacksons3>haha
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13:34<themill>nvidia non-free drivers are normally broken in testing for about a year during each release cycle. So that doesn't really help you.
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13:37<jacksons3>they work fine for me
13:37<themill>at the moment.
13:37<jacksons3>right
13:38<jacksons3>how do you explain ubuntu that is based on stable supporting ati ?
13:38<jacksons3>oops
13:38<jacksons3>i meant testing
13:38<jacksons3>most of their releases are based on debian testing
13:39<jacksons3>you have no idea what you're talking about. i bet ati works fine on testing
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13:39<sun>I use axel to download who can tell me a better stuf?
13:39<themill>jacksons3: the last ubuntu release shipped with an older xorg than wheezy currently has.
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13:40<jacksons3>AHA!
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13:40<jacksons3>so there is a workaround
13:40<themill>no
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13:41<jacksons3>you revert to old xorg on testing
13:41<jacksons3>who cares about xorg anyway
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13:41<jacksons3>all i need is my movies working and new apps
13:41<themill>and you revert all the other packages that are linked with it. i.e. you run an xorg and pile of applications from some months ago and don't get any support for it.
13:41<jacksons3>that's what i call stable
13:41<themill>!pal jacksons3
13:41*dpkg points at jacksons3 and laughs uproariously
13:41<jacksons3>:))
13:41<jacksons3>ok ok
13:41<jacksons3>if you say so
13:43<jacksons3>i still don't get why would xorg version affect new apps support. it has nothing to do with them
13:43<jacksons3>i call bullshit again
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13:44<themill>jacksons3: go have a read of the debian-release and debian-x mailing lists about the recent xorg transition
13:44<themill>jacksons3: also, try to remain civilised and do try to be more signal and less noise.
13:44<jacksons3>ok man, whatever. stick to your stable system and antique backports
13:44<jacksons3>fuck off
13:44<jacksons3>cunt
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13:47<s_i_m>hm. spring should have ended, but there are still some ppl with avitaminosis...
13:53<sun>now I start to get wheezy
13:54<sun>I most wait next 12 hr
13:55<sun>here is iran iran goverment fuked us
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14:34<haylo>jackson ,,,,noob . ofc xorg version matters
14:34<haylo>especially once someone tells u. people act like everyone just makes this kind of thing up as they go along
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14:45<andrey--k>Where I can find script, which starts dhclient on boot?
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14:47<andrey--k>My system stops boot process until I have dhclient timeout or get ip on eth0. :(
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14:48<leti>ola
14:48<leti>contesta
14:48<leti>olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
14:48<gdb>!es
14:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:49<leti>hello
14:49<leti>helloooooooooooooooooo
14:49<ompaul>leti: what is your debian question?
14:49<gdb>knock it off
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14:49<leti>nzdz
14:49<leti>koba
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14:49<gdb>!ask
14:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:08<AlexLikeRock>hola gente :-)
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15:11<zophy>hasta la neuga el compadre
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15:18<AlexLikeRock>nuega ???
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15:32<markus_>hi, I'm not sure if this is the right channel, but I just want to let you know that people.debian.org is down
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15:33<daemonkeeper>scheduled maintenance.
15:33<Newbumz>Anyone have experience putting linux on an ARM device?
15:33<markus_>update-flashplugin-nonfree is affected
15:33<Newbumz>Debian*
15:33<markus_>ok, thanks
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15:48<Sicelo>Newbumz: #debian-arm
15:49<Newbumz>Sicelo: Thanks joined it
15:49<Sicelo>ah, i just noticed :P
15:49<zophy>the lives of billions of people depend upon my knowledge and i am banned from almost all of the IRC servers in the woeld
15:49<zophy>world
15:50<zophy>maybe it is my spelling that is the problem
15:50<zophy>or the women in black sunglasses
15:50<amphi>or the drivelling...
15:51<babilen>zophy: Please stay on-topic here and behave in line with the channel and network policies. In particular take such off-topic chatter elsewhere. There is most likely a reason for you being banned. (see #d on freenode)
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17:19<AlexLikeRock>adios gente :)
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18:22<rgms>Hi. Is there any similar functionality for Debian that of Unity HUD?
18:24<rgms>for gnome shell to be precise, I guess
18:24<SynrG>maybe you should just describe what you want. i don't know unity. also, for wheezy/sid support, see #debian-next
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18:25<daemonkeeper>Of course you don't. Unity is Ubuntu specific.
18:26<rgms>I guess that's why I said 'similar'
18:26<rgms>HUD searches the application menus
18:27<rgms>very handy in software like GIMP, so you don't have to go clicking about
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18:28<SynrG>so, maybe ask this in #debian-next, which is where the gnome-shell users are? i don't know of any such thing for gnome-shell, no
18:30<rgms>all right. Thanks for your help
18:32<Marillion>rgms: or #debian-gnome
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18:37<visicalc>@search complex analysis needham
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18:43<Marillion>pparadis: you are add to list, done ;)
18:43<pparadis>good deal
18:43<Marillion>*g*
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18:45<farmbuyer>I've been unable to reach ftp.us.debian.org and lists.debian.org all day. I suspect the systems are actually fine and that my ISP's DNS servers are crap; could anyone recommend a reliable public access DNS server (ideally in the east half of the states)?
18:45<petemc>google server - 8.8.8.8
18:46<pparadis>yeah, i never use isp-supplied nameservers.
18:46<farmbuyer>very handy, thank you!
18:47<pparadis>8.8.4.4 is an alternate as well.
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18:52<vadimkolchev>hi all. got problem with pidgin - won't let me into my icq account - tells that I had too many connections, but I haven't had a singl login during past several days. Can anyone help me sort it out?
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18:57<Marillion>vadimkolchev: i think it is not an issue of pidgin, an option is look at of icq.com for more information
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18:58<omi>Hello folks. I have a question about dhcpd. Is there any way to make option "routers" present no routers to some host? Situation: iSCSI boot, box has 2nics. I want NIC1 to communicate on the network , NIC2 reserved for iscsi traffic.
18:58<vadimkolchev>Marillion: what do I have to look for?
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18:59<Marillion>vadimkolchev: changing of protocol or anything, i don't use icq or something
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18:59<vadimkolchev>Marillion: well, I'll try it, thanx anyway
19:00<Marillion>you're welcome
19:00<Jzebus>anyone having problems binding to ports recently?
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19:02<insigne>posoo falar com vc
19:03<Marillion>!br
19:03<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:04<Jzebus>I suddenly find problems with network applications not being able to bind to ports on 127.0.0.1
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19:07<pparadis>Jzebus: can you please be more specific?
19:08<Jzebus>When I start mpd to listen on 127.0.0.1 or localhost it cannot bind as it says the port is being used. If I start it on the LAN IP address it binds OK but mpc etc. on localhost can't attach
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19:09<Jzebus>I can't use remote x sessions any more either
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19:09<diederik>Renske04
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19:10<Jzebus>also, conky can't connect to hddtemp on the same host
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19:11<pparadis>Jzebus: you might want to look for what's already bound to the port in question. netstat -anlp | grep portnumberhere
19:11<Jzebus>I did, nothing is bound
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19:12<pparadis>please pastebin exactly what commands you are using, what their output is, and any other additional errors or info. http://paste.debian.net
19:12<sparkly>Hi
19:12<pparadis>flatly, if you're seeing an error message that the port is already in use, something is bound to it.
19:12<sparkly>working twiSTed
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19:13<Jzebus>I assure you that I have netstat'd and it tells me it is not in use. The before and after netstat | grep are bl;ank and showingn the process in that order
19:13<sparkly>?
19:13<pparadis>Jzebus: please pastebin everything i asked for.
19:14<Tetraspace>hello
19:14<sparkly>hi
19:14<Jzebus>It's OK, if it's not a generic problem I'll wait and/or reinstall
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19:14<Jzebus>thank you though
19:14<Tetraspace>this is my first time i use linux
19:14<SynrG>Jzebus: if you come here asking for help, it's best to provide what is asked for. a second pair of eyes really does help.
19:14<pparadis>Jzebus: why would you do that instead of actually providing the information being asked for to solve the problem? that makes no sense.
19:14<sparkly>just inst
19:15<sparkly>workin sweeT
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19:15<Jzebus>SynrG: I know but it's a very odd problem which would take us all hours to wsolve
19:15<pparadis>we don't know that yet.
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19:16<SynrG>Jzebus: no. it may be a very simple problem. even the smartest of my colleagues sometimes spend hours looking at a problem that another colleague spots the solution to in minutes
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19:17<sparkly>how you like linux?
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19:17<pparadis>sparkly: do you have a question about debian?
19:18<sparkly>not rlly made it
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19:18<pparadis>sparkly: this channel is for debian community support. you might be interested in #debian-offtopic for more general conversation.
19:18<sparkly>ty
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19:19<Jzebus>OK. let me try
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19:35<vicmmuran>hi there
19:37<Jzebus><pparadis> I've pasted some things to Debian pastebin but waht do i do with them now
19:37<Jzebus>?
19:37<pparadis>Jzebus: when you put things on a pastebin for others to look at, you need to provide the links in the channel.
19:37<vicmmuran>im traying to create an alias, but i cant work it
19:38<Jzebus>when this is the case: http://paste.debian.net/173724/
19:38<pparadis>Jzebus: also, please pastebin the following output: "cat /etc/hosts ; cat /etc/network/interfaces ; hostname ; hostname -f ; ifconfig -a"
19:38<Jzebus>I get this: http://paste.debian.net/173723/
19:38*pparadis waits on the additional output.
19:39<Jzebus>When I change to using the LAN IP I get this locally http://paste.debian.net/173725/
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19:41<pparadis>Jzebus: you're getting that last error message because you're running it on a different IP at that point.
19:41<pparadis>but you're still trying to connect to 127.0.0.1
19:41<pparadis>please pastebin the other things i asked for as well.
19:41<Jzebus>http://paste.debian.net/173727/
19:41<pparadis>Jzebus: your /etc/hosts is wrong.
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19:42<Jzebus>how so?
19:42<pparadis>Jzebus: meaning it's invalid.
19:42<pparadis>hang on
19:42<Jzebus>waht's wrong
19:42<Jzebus>?
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19:43<pparadis>Jzebus: http://paste.debian.net/173731/
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19:43<Jzebus>how does that apply?
19:43<pparadis>that is an example of an /etc/hosts file. i assume you're using DHCP for LAN IP assignment, so the "11.22.33.44" line wouldn't apply to you (and should not be included)
19:44<pparadis>Jzebus: do you understand what localhost is?
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19:44<pparadis>and what a loopback address is?
19:44<Jzebus>yes, I thought so
19:44<pparadis>you don't.
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19:44<pparadis>Jzebus: i am trying to help you, though :)
19:44<Jzebus>ah, sh*t
19:44<Jzebus>I jsut saw
19:45<Jzebus>where the heck did that come from
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19:45<pparadis>Jzebus: change the first line in your /etc/hosts file to "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost" and remove the second line.
19:46<Jzebus>erm, yes, gah! Thanks!!!
19:46<Jzebus>I feel liek a blind fool
19:46<Jzebus>you were right on a lot of counts
19:46<pparadis>it the stuff working now?
19:46<pparadis>s/it the/is the/
19:47<Jzebus>IDK, I need to reboot, but I would guess it will be at least better
19:47<Jzebus>some stupid typo
19:47<pparadis>you shouldn't need to reboot.
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19:47<Jzebus>Well... I will just in case (yse I know)
19:48<Jzebus>it's quick as restarting X anyhow
19:48<pparadis>sure thing
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19:48*Jzebus feels stupid
19:49<pparadis>it's okay, we all make mistakes.
19:49<Jzebus>Thanks again
19:49<pparadis>no problem
19:49<Jzebus>you get so used to seeing the hosts file it becomes invisible
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19:50<Jzebus>:( still can't assign the address
19:51<pparadis>did you reboot?
19:51<Jzebus>yes
19:51<pparadis>hang on, i'm putting my kids to bed.
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19:52<Jzebus>Ok
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19:54<pparadis>Jzebus: in a single pastebin post, please provide the error message you're seeing now, as well as the output of the following series of commands: "cat /etc/hosts ; ifconfig -a ; hostname ; hostname -f ; iptables -L ; route -n"
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20:01<Jzebus>http://paste.debian.net/173734/
20:02<pparadis>Jzebus: why is your /etc/hosts file still wrong?
20:02<Jzebus>wrong?
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20:04<Jzebus>I'm definately missing something here
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20:07<pparadis>Jzebus: your /etc/hosts is being automatically edited at boot because you're using DHCP. let's disregard that for right now. i'm actually going to install mpd in a VM here myself. just a minute.
20:07<jcmeza>would anyone know why nano in xterm would not have syntax higlighting? for c++ for example
20:09<Jzebus>pparadis: I've put hte localhost and name on the same line but it's been like that for years and i did copy some install once
20:09<pparadis>Jzebus: yeah, i know. it's something i forget happens because i have static assignments on so many systems.
20:10<pparadis>it's still crappy, but let's continue to figure out why mpd is unhappy.
20:10<Jzebus>TBH I've never known which is "the right way"
20:11<Jzebus>Er,
20:11<Jzebus>i should tell you I'm on Sid
20:11<goodell>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/173736/
20:11<sney>!pieces
20:11<dpkg>The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
20:11<goodell>(apologies for the delay)
20:11<Jzebus>hehe, too true
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20:12<Jzebus>but I'd rather that than have older packages
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20:13<pparadis>Jzebus: thanks for mentioning that you're using sid. i don't run sid. in fact, the test vm i just installed mpd on is stable, and mpd is indeed running fine.
20:13<Jzebus>sorry
20:13<Jzebus>as KI said earlier, I don't think it's something that can be solved quickly
20:14<Jzebus>there's something odd going on and hddtemp and remote X are broken too
20:14<pparadis>well, at least it could have been quickly determined that mpd appears to run fine on a stable test rig.
20:14<Jzebus>but you fixed my hosts
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20:15<pparadis>not really, it's just going to get rewritten by dhclient
20:15<Jzebus>so thank you
20:15<pparadis>and i do disagree with the way it rewrites it.
20:15<Jzebus>actually, I don't tnhin kit is
20:15<pparadis>hmm, maybe dhclient isn't going to touch it.
20:15<Jzebus>heh
20:16<Jzebus>I putmy own entries in hosts
20:16<SynrG>looks like it wants a place to put the hostname that won't go away if the network goes up and down
20:16<SynrG>and that isn't 127.0.0.1
20:16<Jzebus>nothing touches it
20:16<Jzebus>well, the ip6 stuff might
20:16<pparadis>SynrG: that's what /etc/hostname is for :)
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20:17<SynrG>pparadis: which has no effect on name lookups
20:17<Jzebus>/etc/hostname is correct too, btw
20:17<pparadis>SynrG: sure it does. the hostname command consults /etc/hostname. hostname -f will attempt to determine the system's FQDN, at which point it will consult /etc/hosts
20:17<Jzebus>I thinnk I need to bite the bullet and reinstall Sid
20:18<SynrG>you learn nothing from a reinstall
20:18<Jzebus>is it correct taht hostname -f returns localhost?
20:18<pparadis>no
20:19<Jzebus>SynrG: true, but I could gain days of being able to do stuff
20:19<SynrG>it's the last resort of the desperate :p
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20:20<SynrG>and you could reinstall, only to find you have the same problems over again
20:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 492] by debhelper
20:20<Jzebus>true, but then at least I know it's an Os error and not mine
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20:20<Jzebus>*OS
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20:21<SynrG>but you won't know what mistake you made. and then you'll make it again
20:21<SynrG>if the reverse is true
20:21<Marillion>Jzebus: this is the point, sometimes is unstable broken
20:22<Jzebus>well, I may learn since I'll install differently
20:22<Jzebus>and I know Sid is always broken
20:23<Marillion>Jzebus: it is NOT recommend tu use unstable if you want a stable system
20:23<SynrG>worst case is, you found a bug. you can't reproduce the bug. now someone else wastes their time on it.
20:23<Jzebus>I know
20:23<SynrG>or worse, nobody discovers it. then wheezy releases with the bug.
20:23<Jzebus>this is why I asked about it in general hen said better to not waste time
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20:23<Jzebus>I mention it in case it has been seen before
20:24<SynrG>well, when you reinstall you're basically flushing any useful information your system may have held about the problem.
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20:24<pparadis>Jzebus: #debian-next would actually be a great place to poke around and see if somebody else running wheezy/sid possibly has additional ideas.
20:24<Jzebus>But if I don't reinstall who's getting any info from mwe?
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20:25<Marillion>SynrG: more people use unstable, as in every DD, the ordinary bugs report known the maintainer, should it
20:26<Jzebus>If I found a specific reproducible bug I'd be right on it
20:26<haylo>laptop keyboard got your tongue?
20:26<Jzebus>...as it is I have some weird network stuff oging on
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20:29<Marillion>Jzebus: yes, but is not an mpd issue, you knowing what i meaning to say? :)
20:30<Jzebus>yes, I thought it was mpd for a bit but it's not
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20:31<Jzebus>Seems it's only me though so it's a x86_64, Sid, NVIDIA, etc... problem
20:32<SynrG>"it's only me" is an assumption, and one of these things on your list has nothing to do with networking
20:34<Jzebus>SynrG: I know. I posted here to find out if it was something anyone else had seen.
20:34<SynrG>that's not a statistically valid way of determining "it's only me"
20:34<Jzebus>I have a strange setup on my PC, truly unique
20:35<Jzebus>i am aware, i also know I'm statistically unique
20:35<SynrG>do tell ... but maybe over on #debian-next where we can help with sid-specific issues better?
20:35<Jzebus>OK
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20:38<calisto>hi all...
20:39<calisto>I install a testing debian from a debian 6 running in another partition of a disk everithink ok but the grub2 I need help tu install this...
20:39<calisto>any can help me... place...
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20:48<haylo>'grub-update' might help
20:49<haylo>idk im not a debian dev. just a user
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21:05<grepper> its update-grub and I think that just creates the grub.cfg, you'd need to run grub-install /dev/whatever
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21:16<calisto_>grepper, I run update-grub and detect my system, but not another sistems installed in my computer
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21:16<calisto_>you know how search another system installed?
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21:17<Osiris_X>is there a way to have ".local" appended to hostname automatically for mDNS/AVAHI lookups?
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21:32<ruckystar>hola
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21:39<grepper>calisto_: you may need os-prober
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21:40<calisto_>grepper, what is it?
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22:09<pitchoilcan>DEBLOBBED Musix ? (Help wante)
22:09<pitchoilcan>hello all
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22:12<ratnick>what do I need to install to run fluxbox in a minimal desktop environment? I'm trying to build a minmal OS that boots into a GUI desktop interface and then add applications as needed.
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22:17<pitchoilcan>hello all I'm trying to run MUXICv2 and need my wifi driver DEBLOBBED ...can anyone help?
22:17<ratnick>sorry I can't
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23:25<tox>Hey, running into an interesting problem -- on boot one of my sata drives doesn't show up -- if I trigger a scsi bus reset it shows up and is usable
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23:26<tox>running unstable right now, but this is a new set of drives so never necessarily had this work in this machine in the past
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23:28<tox>I do have 2 more drives that are new that I haven't tried but the fact it works after a re-scan makes me feel like it's not a faulty drive
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23:34<bones_was_here>tox: if you havn't already, make sure all your SATA controllers are set to AHCI mode and not an IDE emulation mode
23:36<tox>yep, both controllers are set to AHCI, and I see an older drive show up correctly on the second controller
23:39<bones_was_here>does the disk show up if you put it on the other controller? does the BIOS see it?
23:39<tox>Bios does see it, haven't tried switching it to the other controller yet
23:40<tox>I do see something weird.. going to pastebin part of log on the host one sec
23:41<tox>http://pastie.org/4059599
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23:46<tox>full log: http://paste.debian.net/173763 in case I missed something else interesting
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23:50<bones_was_here>hm... all i could suggest from that is try the other controller (the intel/amd southbridge one is usually better) or try the sata 1.5gbps mode jumper on the hdd (or other backward compatability jumper settings it might have)
23:51<bones_was_here>or firmware update for the hdd maybe
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23:55<user01>is it possible to use a web proxy to connect to debian irc chat?
23:57<user01>i had a big problem with the iceweasel backport this week, glad i found the solution :)
23:58<user01>the option was to uninstall iceweasel or opt to uninstall gnome and libreoffice basically :D
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