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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-06-15

---Logopened Fri Jun 15 00:00:23 2012
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00:19<Zhila_Laptop>so, I think I figured it out. nodm doesn't register with ConsoleKit or something, but installing libpam-ck-connector, then adding pam_loginuid.so before pam_ck_connector in common-session seems to have done the trick
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00:25<Osiris_X>is there a way of modifying the permissions of drives mounted through udisks / ntfs-3g (without altering the permissions in the udisks source and rebuilding the package)?
00:26<Osiris_X>(auto mounted I should say)
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00:28<the8thbit>Is it possible to make Ctrl and Meta togglable in emacs, kind of like how caps lock works or how modes in vi(m) work?
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00:54<mick>someone here has an extra torrentday / equivalent invite
00:54<mick>please make my life easy
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00:55<pparadis>mike__: please go somewhere else for that. this channel is for debian support.
00:55<pparadis>darn, he left and i tab-completed the wrong guy.
00:55<MickLH>pparadis: I am a fellow debian user ;)
00:55<MickLH>This is help with a debian system
00:55<pparadis>sorry about that mike__
00:56<pparadis>MickLH: hah
00:56<MickLH>I lost my info
00:56<pparadis>oh, wait
00:57*pparadis notes the nick change pattern now
00:57<pparadis>well, in that case
00:57<pparadis>MickLH: please go somewhere else for that. this channel is for debian support.
00:58<MickLH>ok
00:58<MickLH>actually I am having an issue with my internet connection
00:59<pparadis>?
00:59<MickLH>I am trying to download an ebook, but it wont make the connection
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01:00<MickLH>It seems the torrent file and/or magnet link is missing, I could probably do a little hacky workaround using an invite or account credentials for a private tracker
01:00<pparadis>well, what version of debian are you using, what software are you using to perform the download, what troubleshooting steps have your performed so far, etc?
01:00<MickLH>Squeeze, transmission
01:00<MickLH>hehehe ;)
01:01<pparadis>honestly, no idea aside from "whelp, that's a broken torrent" <-- more than likely :)
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01:02<pparadis>what's the particular ebook you're attempting to obtain?
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01:04<MickLH>Interpersonal Communication 2nd edition
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01:07<pparadis>MickLH: are you referring to ISBN 9780205739806? as in "Interpersonal Communication: Competence and Contexts, 2nd Edition"
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01:08<MickLH>pparadis: I believe so
01:08<MickLH>Actually
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01:08<MickLH>I believe it is written by a "Floyd"
01:09<pparadis>MickLH: ah, so you're referring to "Interpersonal Communication (ISBN10: 0073406759; ISBN13: 9780073406756)" then?
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01:10<MickLH>looks like it
01:10<MickLH>Yes I am pretty sure, it looks like the textbook on amazon
01:12<pparadis>MickLH: great, so we're on the same page so to speak. i have a fantastic solution for you. i suggest you purchase this item through a legitimate outlet, as a core doctrine of the free software community is practicing respect for the copyrights/licensing of others.
01:12<pparadis>otherwise, we can't expect others to respect our licenses.
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01:16<MickLH>pparadis: Your troll was fail
01:16<pparadis>that's not a troll. i'm completely serious. please go somewhere else.
01:16<MickLH>The troll was asking me too many questions
01:17<pparadis>first and foremost, your request is completely offtopic for this channel. second, you're simply attempting to avoid paying for things which are not in fact free. thus, have a nice day.
01:17<MickLH>Knowledge is free
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01:18<pparadis>well, in this case, it isn't. again, it's offtopic, you're wasting your time, so have a nice day.
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01:18<MickLH>My time can not be wasted
01:18<pparadis>you're doing a fine job of disproving that right now.
01:18<MickLH>I'm a schizophrenic dude locked in a room all day
01:19<MickLH>I've got no problem rambling on about nothing
01:19<MickLH>Indefinitely ;)
01:19<MickLH>And judging by how it's kindof tweaking the stick in your ass, I'm kindof enjoying it.
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01:22<pparadis>MickLH: once again, this channel is for debian community support. your issues are offtopic. i encourage you to seek out alternate channels for further resolution. please do have a nice day.
01:24<pparadis>MickLH: alternately, please feel free to join #debian-offtopic and ramble on as long as you like :)
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01:37<Ariii>Hi!
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02:19<Marta>hola
02:19<developer>Hi
02:19<Marta>hi
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02:19<developer>anyone knows some experience with iptables ?
02:19<Guest24>español
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02:21<Guest24>hola
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02:21<retrospectacus>!es
02:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
02:21<retrospectacus>developer: ask
02:22<developer>I am suffering with a multi-ip server
02:22<developer>I have a linux server with 250 ip
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02:22<retrospectacus>!enter
02:22<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
02:22<Guest24>hi
02:22<Guest24>ke paza
02:22<doubledutch>developer, all IPv4?
02:22<Guest24>loquetudigas
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02:23<developer>yes
02:23<Guest24>no
02:23<doubledutch>!pt
02:23<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
02:23<developer>and I have installed openvpn on it
02:23<Guest24>¬¬
02:23<developer>now the vpn is connecting
02:23<developer>but the nat is not working
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02:23<developer>anyone who helps me solve this I can give him a gift
02:24<Guest24>bienbien
02:24<developer>I need to understand
02:24<developer>how to make iptables nat it correctly
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02:24<developer>it is like a lan
02:25<developer>server with lan
02:25<developer>internal IPs
02:25<developer>and external IPs
02:25<developer>I need some help to NAT the external IPs to the local PCs
02:25<developer>any help ?
02:26<developer>the MASQURADE don't work with network aliases like eth0:0
02:26<developer>the IPs won't work either
02:26<retrospectacus>developer: What version of debian, see !enter above. Paste.debian.net your ifconfig, iptables -L etc
02:26<developer>!enter
02:26<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
02:27<developer>ok
02:28<Guest24>.....
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03:05<andrew_>hi
03:06<andrew_>Is this a different room to the freenode one
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03:35<developer>@retro sorry for late, still there ?
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03:36<developer>@restrospectacus was gathering info
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03:39<developer>Heelo
03:39<developer>I have Network
03:39<developer>with server I want to make as internet IP
03:39<developer>Internet Gateway
03:40<developer>LAN got local IPs
03:40<developer>Server got routed to several Public IPs
03:40<retrospectacus>developer: What version of debian, see !enter above. Paste.debian.net your ifconfig, iptables -L etc
03:41<developer>I want iptables to be NATting public ips to internal network
03:41<developer>I have no debian
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03:41<developer>it is centos
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03:45<retrospectacus>this is #debian... try irc://irc.freenode.net/##networking
03:46<developer>@retro ok, thanks !
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03:47<developer>!enter
03:47<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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03:52<Nemoder>what's the most effecient way to zerofill a disk drive? dd?
03:52<jm_>dd or cat will do fine
03:52<skainz>Nemoder, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/... bs=1M
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03:56<Nemoder>thanks
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04:16<haylo>are there any benefits to using a non journaling file system?
04:17<jm_>haylo: possibly -- speed, disk wear (think SSD)
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04:41<schoppenhauer>hello. is it possible with debian stable (and maybe backports) to allow discards in an encrypted lvm? obviously, one needs a backports-kernel. and i cannot find the options named in http://wiki.debian.org/SSDoptimization
04:44<jm_>schoppenhauer: does lvm support that at all?
04:44<schoppenhauer>jm_: the site sais that it has a discard-option
04:45<jm_>schoppenhauer: ahh I see, lvm uses DM
04:45<schoppenhauer>jm_: seems like all of them support it, but probably not in stable.
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04:47<schoppenhauer>jm_: i can upgrade the kernel, but lvm seems not to have a backports-package, same for luks
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04:49<jm_>schoppenhauer: do you need new luks at all?
04:50<schoppenhauer>jm_: the current luks seems not to have that discard-option
04:50<schoppenhauer>jm_: and the crypttab-manpage does not say anything about it at all
04:50<jm_>schoppenhauer: right, I found some patches which suggests one needs it
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04:51<jm_>schoppenhauer: maybe try backporting it yourself
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04:52<schoppenhauer>jm_: hm. that way I would get a cripled system. maybe I better stick to ubuntu for a while, until wheezy gets stable.
04:53<jm_>schoppenhauer: why crippled?
04:53<schoppenhauer>jm_: i do not like it when stuff is outside the default configuration
04:53<schoppenhauer>jm_: and as I have to set up my machine anyway, I can as well use ubuntu
04:54<schoppenhauer>jm_: since in ubuntu, these newer packages are maintained.
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04:54<schoppenhauer>jm_: its just a matter of minimizing the work I have to do.
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05:54<rob82__pcrs>ikonia: is a hacker, kill connection
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05:54<rob82__pcrs>orr iul spoof you
05:54<rob82__pcrs>ubuntu smells
05:55<rob82__pcrs>Ubuntu 11.00, 12.00 is rigd Root Passwd
05:55<rob82__pcrs>LTS flawedf
05:55<rob82__pcrs>hahah
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06:05<philip_>Hi, why are files so big on my debian installation. When I right click a file it says that the size on disk is about 10 times larger than the file's size itself
06:05<philip_>I am running lxde 6.0.5
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06:06<mel>hi room
06:06<philip_>Is it because of the filesystem? I never chose any, I just let debian use the whole hdd
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06:07<mel>hi phi
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06:09<philip_>Hi
06:09<philip_>Is this the right room to ask questions?
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06:09<perlwizard>!ask
06:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
06:09<gnugr>philip_:for lxde please join #lxde channel, here is debian support channel
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06:10<philip_>Thanks, I will try that.
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06:32<EmleyMoor>Alternatively a standard laptop, as long as it has the 3G built in, will do
06:33<EmleyMoor>David might want a laptop at the new place - and he may as well have my current one if so.
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06:40<sugar>ola
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06:41<EmleyMoor>Erk
06:41<sugar>ola
06:41<Lollilolipop>olaa
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06:41<themill>!es-social sugar, Lollilolipop
06:41<dpkg>sugar, Lollilolipop: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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07:10<atlantide>hi i am using autofs5, the daemon don't unmount them after a period of inactivity and it mount automatically all users partition instead of one user, thanks
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07:28<EmleyMoor>Are there any reasonable laptops with built-in 3G at present?
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07:49<SynrG>EmleyMoor: struggling with the idea of 'reasonable laptop' :)
07:50<SynrG>reasonably priced? reasonably robust? reasonable feature-set?
07:50<EmleyMoor>Reasonably Linux compatible
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07:51<SynrG>full-sized laptop, or netbook?
07:51<EmleyMoor>Any size would do
07:52<EmleyMoor>(already got one large one, lacking 3G)
07:53<grove>EmleyMoor: One of my colleagues has a lenovo (don't remember the model - and he's not here today) with 3G that works (he complains about lack of coverage on some parts of his commute)
07:53<SynrG>the eeepc line has often included 3G models, usually sold through cell provider partnerships, not necessarily directly from the asus site
07:53<SynrG>i can't cite specific model#s for you, but that may give you an idea where to look
07:54<EmleyMoor>Looking for confirmation of the one on the Dell XPS 15 - or something cheaper or smaller than that... but will have a look at Asus anyway
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07:55<SynrG>EmleyMoor: our model matrix here is a bit dated and likely lacks anything asus currently has on offer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models
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07:56<SynrG>i'd be happy to update it if you find they do have current models with the option
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08:03<SynrG>EmleyMoor: hmm. i saw promises of G-suffixed models at tradeshows, but whether or not such things are actually on offer, i cannot say for sure
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08:06<SynrG>EmleyMoor: there are eee pad transformers (a convertible android tablet / netbook combo, keyboard unit is a separately purchased item) with 3G support. i wouldn't call that "reasonably supported" quite yet, though. but an interesting device.
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08:08<SynrG>EmleyMoor: ah, i think i am mistaken. http://www.thetechherald.com/articles/ASUS-denies-3G-coming-to-Eee-Pad-Transformer
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08:11<SynrG>that news item is a bit dated though. look for tf101G. haven't confirmed yet if that's a real product or not (but you may already be turned off by it being android, and/or the price)
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08:13<dannys>what kernel supposed has sid?
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08:20<themill>,kernels
08:20<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
08:21<dannys>ty
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08:26<angelyto14>olaaaa
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08:30<drhouse123>I often use webcams mic and somtimes I get that error from dmesg
08:30<drhouse123>cannot set freq 48000 to ep 0x86
08:30<drhouse123>webcam's mic*
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08:32<drhouse123>I tired from that weird bug (
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08:33<drhouse123>I installed kernel 3.2 from backports
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08:37<drhouse123>I hope for any advice
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08:39<abrotman>"that error" ?
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08:42<drhouse123>abrotman: sorry, "that bug"
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08:43<drhouse123>I have Logitech C270 webcam
08:45<abrotman>still not descrptive
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08:46<drhouse123>abrotman: what description you need? output of dmesg ?
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08:47<grove>abrotman: The error message was actually in the next line, and drhouse123 probably meant "this error" (and I have no idea about this issue)
08:47<drhouse123>It happen also when I use calls in skype
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08:49<dannys>how i can change the restart function i want when press restart from kmenu to do restart all system not only the os
08:50<abrotman>oh ..
08:50<abrotman>silly client i'm using ...
08:50<abrotman>drhouse123: isn't that a sound issue?
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08:53<drhouse123>abrotman: after that skype and system freezed and I can't to configure webcam through guvcview
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08:58<lupintheethird>alright guys, just finished installing debian, fixed grub so windows 7 is visible as well, does anyone know a way to get two-finger scrolling working for the touchpad ?
08:58<abrotman>in which WM/DE?
08:58<abrotman>drhouse123: does it happen wiht other happs that use the mic ?
08:59<drhouse123>no, only skype
08:59<drhouse123>abrotman:
09:00<abrotman>never used skype, i wouldn't be much help
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09:01<devil>drhouse123: what DE?
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09:04<cache_za>i'm having trouble seeing / connecting to a wireless AP, using a Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter - I see this message: ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout; I've been told I need to set the region in order to see the AP.. can anyone help?
09:05<cache_za>using debian 6.0.5
09:06<drhouse123>devil: it is KDE
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09:06<devil>drhouse123: did you update to skype 5? I had a sound prob under KDE yesterday after the update. I could not be heard
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09:09<drhouse123>devil: hmm there's only skype 4.0 for linux
09:09<devil>drhouse123: ups, yes, it's 4
09:10<drhouse123>devil: yes I did it
09:10<drhouse123>but that issue was also with 2.2 version :(
09:10<devil>hm, i only had it yesterday after update
09:11<devil>did you check your phonon-settings?
09:11<devil>in audio- recording the usb-device needs to be on top. it was not for me
09:11<drhouse123>devil: if I enable video of webcam during calls sometimes I get that issue
09:12<devil>I have the same webcam as you
09:12<devil>and I always use video
09:13<drhouse123>devil: ok, I will check it now, please don't leave
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09:14<drhouse123>devil: yes, usb-device is always on top in phonon
09:15<drhouse123>devil: what kernel you use ?
09:15<devil>drhouse123: 3.4-2
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09:15<drhouse123>devil: You get it from backports ?
09:16<devil>no, it's not a debian kernel
09:16<drhouse123>devil: ah, you was build it for yourself
09:17<devil>it is our distro-kernel
09:17<drhouse123>devil: zen-kernel?
09:17<devil>no
09:18<drhouse123>devil: then where I can get it ?
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09:18<devil>that would be kind of OT here
09:19<Airwave>Skype 4.0? The website shows 2.2 as the newest GNU/Linux version.
09:19<devil>i puklled it from there yesterday
09:20<devil>pulled even
09:20<Airwave>drhouse123: Were you able to download Iceweasel from backports eventually?
09:21<Airwave>That's odd. The website says 2.2, but if I actually hit download, I get 4.0.0.7.
09:21<drhouse123>Airwave: yes I able to download it
09:21<Airwave>Good.
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09:22<drhouse123>devil: from stable repo ?
09:22<devil>drhouse123: what?
09:22<NaZaRa>hi
09:22<drhouse123>devil: you get it from from backports or not ?
09:23<devil>drhouse123: i never use backports, i run a derivative distro
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09:24<ayaka>https://www.wormly.com/blog/2008/11/05/relay-gmail-google-smtp-postfix/
09:24<ayaka>why shall I create a CA myself ? When I use icedove to send mail, does it also create a CA?
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09:30<BruceRamrod>mikähän on ku joka helvetin inter web sivu tökkii vitusti
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09:31<ayaka>BruceRamrod, languages?
09:31<BruceRamrod>hmmm.. oisko
09:32<BruceRamrod>chromium selaimena.. mut tais firefoxikin jäätyillä kun sitä tovi sitten testailin'
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09:32<grove>!fi
09:32<dpkg>rumour has it, fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abbreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi
09:33*grove ^H's guessing
09:33<luca__>!list
09:33<dpkg>luca__: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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09:51<Airwave>AMD on GNU/Linux?
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09:51<Airwave>Oh sorry, I was thinking of ATI.
09:51<Airwave>Nevermind.
09:52<EmleyMoor>It does have ATI graphics, reportedly reasonably supported
09:53<Airwave>Ok.
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09:56<EmleyMoor>The Intel version of same for a bit more (or quite a bit more for the same battery) is the next option - or a Dell XPS 15 for about half as much again
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10:13<Airwave>EmleyMoor: ThinkPads are pretty nice. I have a T420s that's served me pretty well so far.
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10:21<keypimp>Need to compile Iceweasel is there make file that Debian uses that I can look at.?
10:23<keypimp>been compiling the Tor Browser Bundle from the Tor Foundation. Unfortunately they are using Firefox. I am reworking their script linux.mk to use iw instead.
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10:23<grove>keypimp: `apt-get source iceweasel`
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10:27<keypimp>grove yeah did not see anything doing that =/ also pulled the binary aptitude -d install xxxx ..
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10:27<keypimp>grrr darn 6" keyboard.
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10:39<Nemoder>what's the best filesystem for storing just multimedia
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10:43<amphi>Nemoder: xfs is good for large files, 'tis said
10:45<abrotman>you m ean small files
10:45<Nemoder>movies/music etc
10:45<abrotman>and honestly, if you don't know, just use ext3
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10:49<engla>preferably ext4 since a media disk will be large and you don't want the loong fsck times of ext3
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10:51<Nemoder>btrfs looks neat but doesn't seem a good fit for just media
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10:51<mel>hi room
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11:03<vinnu>hi
11:03<vinnu>hello debhelper
11:04<vinnu>i got an issue can u help me out
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11:05<vinnu>is dr ny1 out dr
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11:06<Nemoder>amphi: seems ext4 and xfs are pretty close. I'm using ext4 for desktop but I think i'll try xfs for this drive and see how it does
11:07<amphi>'hello debhelper' recalls 'dear mailer-daemon' ;)
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13:52<Airwave>Hey guys. I am trying to set up Pound to forward HTTP requests for me. Is it possible to have http://www.mydomain.tld/site1/ forwarded to one server, and http://www.mydomain.tld/site2/ forwarded to another?
13:53<Airwave>I would use http://site1.mydomain.tld/ and http://site2.mydomain.tld/ instead, but then I would need to buy more SSL certificates.
13:53<pparadis>Airwave: i use nginx for that sort of thing.
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13:54<Airwave>pparadis: Does it work well for the kind of setup I just described?
13:54<pparadis>Airwave: sure it does.
13:54<Airwave>And in this case, nginx would just be working as a frontend, just like Pound?
13:54<scientes>Airwave, you can get a wildcard ssl certificate
13:54<pparadis>aranax: http://wiki.nginx.org/HttpProxyModule
13:54<Airwave>scientes: That's 10 times the price though.
13:55<scientes>ahh
13:55<pparadis>scientes: yepper, or he could also possibly investigate http://www.startssl.com/ and not pay anything at all.
13:55<scientes>^^^yep those are the cool ones
13:55<Airwave>I can afford shelling out $16 a year for a certificate, but $160 seems like a lot.
13:55<pparadis>aranax: in all seriousness, i use nginx all over the place for anything you can imagine involving http(s).
13:55<pparadis>aranax: i enjoy shelling out $0.
13:56<pparadis>Airwave: rather ^
13:56<Airwave>I took a look at StartSSL, but doesn't there have to be some catch? Why would I pay $16 for a certificate at all if the free certificate works fine?
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13:57<pparadis>Airwave: there is no catch.
13:57<Airwave>pparadis: I like lighttpd. Is nginx as much of a delight to use?
13:57<pparadis>Airwave: they charge for extended validation and such certs.
13:57<pparadis>Airwave: it's much more of a delight to use. lighttpd also has a history of memory leaks.
13:57<pparadis>(been there, done that, burned the shirt)
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13:58<pparadis>Airwave: some of the busiest sites on the planet are powered by nginx now.
13:58<scientes><Airwave> I took a look at StartSSL, but doesn't there have to be some catch? Why would I pay $16 for a certificate at all if the free certificate works fine?
13:58<Airwave>Ok then, I'll give nginx a shot. Thanks!
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13:58<Airwave>pparadis: Yeah, apparently it has surpassed lighttpd in popularity.
13:59<scientes>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE!!!!!!! https://www.gnu.org/graphics/jesus-cartoon.html
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13:59<Airwave>Hehe
13:59<pparadis>nice :)
13:59<scientes>Airwave, lighttpd is also great, and the development of nginx might go away from freedom in v 2
13:59<pparadis>huh?
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14:00<Airwave>What is the point of things like extended validation? It's just for a personal website, so all I really care about is not getting the browser warning for HTTPS.
14:00<pparadis>there is no point for your intended purpose.
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14:00<Airwave>scientes: Go away from freedom? You mean nginx is going proprietary in v2?
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14:00<pparadis>first, that's not possible.
14:01<scientes>no, i'm trying to find it, it was like a "open core" model for v2, there is a press release somewhere
14:01<Airwave>It's BSD licensed, so they can go proprietary if they so wish, if I'm not mistaken.
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14:01<pparadis>that's not how that works.
14:02<Airwave>Of course the old code would always be there and BSD licensed.
14:02<Airwave>Maybe I'm thinking about it all wrong.
14:02<scientes>Airwave, what I remember is that the base was going to be open source, but NGINX Inc was going to be selling propritary extensions
14:02<pparadis>BSD licensing simply means anybody can do what they like with the source as long as they give credit.
14:02<Airwave>Hmm, OK. Sounds fishy.
14:02<Airwave>pparadis: Including using it as the basis for proprietary software.
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14:03<pparadis>it is in fact the freest licensing model in common use aside from straight public domain, according o the dictionary definition of freedom.
14:03<pparadis>Airwave: sure, but that doesn't hurt you or anyone else.
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14:03<scientes>it might still be developed just fine
14:03<Airwave>pparadis: Well no, but the GPL protects against that.
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14:04<scientes>the whole bottom half of this has it http://nginx.com/press.html
14:04<Airwave>So it wouldn't be possible for GPL-licensed software.
14:04<pparadis>Airwave: no, the GPL inhibits freedom more by putting restrictions on what people can do with the code.
14:04<scientes>i can't find the pres release that was direct from them however
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14:04<pparadis>Airwave: this is why i license my stuff under BSD style licenses.
14:04<scientes>ahh here: http://nginx.com/news/nginx-venture-funding.html
14:04<pparadis>i believe in freedom as in freedom.
14:05<Airwave>Well, it depends on your definition of freedom.
14:05<pparadis>scientes: the moment anything goes "wonky" with the core devs for nginx, it will simply be forked overnight and a new dev community will spring up around that.
14:05<scientes>pparadis, well, that is contentious, Linus always says that the GPL (v2) has a sense of fairness to it
14:05<scientes>pparadis, I know there will continue to be an open source nginx
14:05<Airwave>Under the Stallman/GNU/FSF definition, they are both equally free.
14:05<pparadis>Airwave: no, freedom is a well defined term. the GPL and people like RMS attempt to redefine it. it doesn't work that way.
14:05<Airwave>pparadis: That's very true. That is indeed the beauty of libre software.
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14:06<Airwave>I never claimed that the Stallman definition met the dictionary definition.
14:06<pparadis>anyhow, we are veering horrible off channel topic :)
14:06<scientes>pparadis, The freedom of my fist ends at your face.
14:06<scientes>Airwave, ^
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14:06<pparadis>we should continue in #debian-offtopic
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14:29<imatsu>how to change language in request tracker?
14:31<retrospectacus>imatsu: what is "request tracker"?
14:31<SynrG>!request tracker
14:31<dpkg>Request Tracker (RT) is a ticket-tracking system written in Perl. The core of RT is packaged for Debian as request-tracker3.8. http://wiki.bestpractical.com/ http://bestpractical.com/rt #rt on irc.perl.org.
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14:31<SynrG>and i was just beginning to look at the doc on their site. i suppose you could do that, though
14:31<imatsu>I need to change RT to spanish language
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14:32<SynrG>(or go over to their irc channel: note, not on this network ... to ask)
14:32<imatsu>I can't find
14:32<pparadis>http://requesttracker.wikia.com/wiki/Translation ??
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14:32<retrospectacus>ah right, we used to use that at work
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14:43<ansgar>http://www.wiretotheear.com/2009/12/26/largest-subwoofer-ever/
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14:46<abrotman>ansgar: i think you want #debian-offtopic, thank you
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14:50<ansgar>No, just not use my think fingers. Didn't even notice I pasted it here...
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14:56<cyrus_nk>hello guys!
14:56<retrospectacus>hi
14:56<sney_>yo
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14:57<donia>اه
14:57<donia>سلام
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14:57<cyrus_nk>problem: i have reinstalled the debian wheezy system keeping the old home folder and creating an exact user and password as the old one and now when i login i get a little terminal window on the upper left part of the screen and i can't get the desktop to show. anyone can help?
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14:58<scientes>cyrus_nk, chown -R yourusername:yourusername /home/yourusername
14:58<scientes>or just change your UID in /etc/passwd
14:58<scientes>to match your old one
14:58<kop>scientes: Clever. I'd not have thought of that.
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15:02<scientes>cyrus_nk, you might have to ctrl-alt-f1, and then log in as root to end that
15:02<scientes>*enter that
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15:04<cyrus_nk>then reboot?
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15:04<scientes>just log in again
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15:05<scientes>/etc/init.d/*dm restart
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15:05<scientes>to get the login screen
15:05<cyrus_nk>i rebooted:)
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15:06<qmr>Kernel panic - not syncing: Out of memory and no killable processes...
15:06<qmr>Why would I not have killable processes?
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15:06<scientes>qmr, because you are doing something insane?
15:06<scientes>like trying to run a VM on 14MB of ram
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15:07<qmr>just a few game servers and screen sessions. 1024m 512m swap.
15:07<cyrus_nk>scientes, could not update ICEauthority file /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority
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15:07<scientes>cybersphinx, you need to remove that file, and then do /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart
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15:07<pocimaci>hello
15:08<qmr>Wondering why it didn't kill java in preference to panic-ing
15:08<pocimaci>i'd like to ask about ipv6 and iptables
15:08<scientes>qmr, it should have
15:08<pocimaci>the iptables is block my ipv6 connection
15:08<scientes>qmr, if you feel really anxious, you can test the OOM killer, with ctrl-alt-sysrq-k
15:08<pocimaci>but i don't know why
15:08<scientes>pocimaci, man ip
15:08<pocimaci>;)
15:08<Thorgrin>pocimaci: are you using native ipv6?
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15:09<pocimaci>i use a free service
15:09<scientes>he.net ?
15:09<pocimaci>not, a hungarian
15:09<scientes>thats hurricane electric
15:09<Thorgrin>make sure you are not blocking the tunneling protocol
15:09<pocimaci>the ipv6 works, if i stop my iptables
15:09<scientes>a free ipv6 provider, and isp
15:09<scientes>pocimaci, thats cause you are probably dropping all ipv6
15:10<pocimaci>the ip6tables -L says that:
15:10<pocimaci>CCEPT tcp anywhere anywhere tcp spt:ircd
15:10<pocimaci>ACCEPT tcp anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ircd
15:10<pocimaci>ACCEPT tcp anywhere anywhere tcp spt:ircd
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15:10<pocimaci>;)
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15:10<Thorgrin>ou boy...
15:11<Thorgrin>dpkg: tell pocimaci about pastebin
15:11<scientes>cyrus_nk, working?
15:11<pocimaci>ok
15:12<pocimaci>according to the iptables -L, the port is open
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15:13<cyrus_nk>scientes, gdm3chown: changing ownership of '/var/lib/gdm3/.gconf.mandatory/%gconf-tree.xml': Operation not permitted
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15:13<scientes>yuck
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15:13<pocimaci>sorry
15:13<scientes>gdm3 should leave behind so much crap
15:13<pocimaci>ip6tables -L
15:13<cyrus_nk>when i restart gdm3 i should be in root or my username?
15:13<scientes>cybersphinx, root
15:13<cyrus_nk>k
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15:14<scientes>if it continues to be a problem you might try purging and then reinstalling gdm3
15:14<cyrus_nk>aptitude purge gdm3 ?
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15:15<scientes>yeah
15:15<pocimaci>what may causes this?
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15:19<cyrus_nk>scientes, purged, reinstalled, i have no .ICEauthority file and i still get that error
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15:19<scientes>cyrus_nk, you could mv /var/lib/gdm3 /var/lib/gdm3-bak
15:19<scientes>and then apt-get --reinstall install gdm3
15:20*cybersphinx roots scientes.
15:20<scientes>do /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop first
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15:20<pocimaci>i have to go
15:20<pocimaci>good bye
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15:20<scientes>cyrus_nk, if you look, i've avoiding pinging you 9/10 times ;)
15:20<scientes>cybersphinx, ^
15:20<cyrus_nk>yes:)
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15:22<travail>hi all
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15:22<travail_>re
15:22<cyrus_nk>scientes, during reinstall i get some getcwd error and no such key 'icon-policy'
15:23<cyrus_nk>i get the login screen now but still the first error, the black screen in the upper left part with the terminal :(
15:24<cyrus_nk>scientes, if in that terminal i do a startx i get user not authorised to run the X server
15:25<scientes>cyrus_nk, maybe you need to pastebin your /etc/passwd (it doesn't contain passwords), and ls -al /home
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15:26<scientes>and /etc/group
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15:29<cyrus_nk>scientes, in /etc/passwd i have only one line with: cyrusnk:x:1000:1000:myname,,,:/home/cyrusnk:/bin/bash
15:29<scientes>cybersphinx, thats your problem
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15:30<scientes>that is correct, but your computer has many more users than just you
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15:31<cyrus_nk>doing ls -al /home i get 4 users: cyrusnk root, root root, cyrusnk cyrusnk and cyrusnk root
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15:34<cyrus_nk>scientes, http://pastebin.com/4xLnFiMT
15:34<cyrus_nk>and total 28
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15:34<scientes>cybersphinx, if your /etc/passwd only has that one line, i am sorry to say that something is seriously screwed up
15:34<scientes>and you might have to reinstall
15:35<scientes>maybe you misspelled it or someting
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15:37<cyrus_nk>ok, i will reinstall debian but after that, what should i do? after a reinstall i get the error and i think after another reinstall i will get the same stuff
15:37<cyrus_nk>scientes, after reinstall, what should i do to link the old user to start gdm3?
15:38<scientes>cyrus_nk, gdm3 is started by root
15:38<scientes>and your uid stuff should be fine
15:38<cyrus_nk>scientes, it is better to create another user at reinstall and if all goes well i should copy stuff from old user to new user?
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15:38<scientes>name it something else, but then change it in /etc/passwd
15:39<scientes>you can probably name it the same thing however
15:39<scientes>i just don't know the details cause i dont install that much
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15:41<cyrus_nk>my problem was on an upgrade, i reinstalled and after reinstall i was left with the command line, even if i installed the desktop environment. After that i installed by hand xorg, gdm and the official nvidia drivers. I screwed something and i don't know what to do to avoid that at a new install of the system
15:41<scientes>eek!
15:42<cyrus_nk>you can eek that again:)
15:42<scientes>maybe install to a fresh partition
15:42<craigevil>my /etc/passwd has 33 lines, a lot of which are for packages i have installed
15:42<scientes>or try the installable line cd
15:43<cyrus_nk>scientes, my /etc/passwd have many lines but just one with cyrusnk on it, the one above. i don't have ONLY that line
15:43<scientes>cyrus_nk, oh
15:44<scientes>then its probably just gdm3 problem
15:44<cyrus_nk>and if a gdm3 purge and reinstall didn't solve the problem i don't even have the slightest ideea
15:45<craigevil>or nvidia not being installed correctly, try using the nvidia dkms method
15:45<scientes>nvidia should be installed the debian way
15:45<cyrus_nk>how can i clean the official driver?
15:45<scientes>i have no idea
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15:48<wamty>ερριεττα
15:49<wamty>how to make these upper case?
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16:01<gigix>cyrus_nk, http://forum.notebookreview.com/linux-compatibility-software/526822-manual-installation-instructions-proprietary-nvidia-binary-blob-driver-debian.html#remove
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16:02<gigix>and then install nvidia-dkms
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16:03<xubuntu>bonsoir
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16:05<xubuntu>j ai un petit soucis d installation de xubuntu... qqun pourrait me venir en aide ?
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16:06<liverpvl>ciao
16:06<liverpvl>!list
16:06<dpkg>liverpvl: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.
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16:09<cyrus_nk>gigix, thank man, i uninstalled it, i have dkms installed, i don't see any nvidia-dkms in aptitude
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16:13<gigix>cyrus_nk, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Use_DKMS
16:13<gigix>the rest of the page details quite a few other ways of getting it working
16:13<gigix>dkms is the recommanded one though
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16:15<cyrus_nk>gigix, i'm on it :)
16:16<gigix>cyrus_nk, great let us know how it goes
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16:18<liverpvl>ciao
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16:38<dan4dm>hi - is this a good place to talk about package maintenance?
16:39<dondelelcaro>dan4dm: you can ask here, but #debian-mentors is the best place
16:39<dan4dm>dondelelcaro: thanks, will head there
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16:40<dan4dm>if anyone here has used dh_linktree I'd like to chat
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16:52<epl692>Hello
16:52<scientes>dkms is awesome
16:53<scientes>if you have to deal with the scourge of non-free drivers at all ;)
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16:54<epl692>So now that I have burned myself 8 dvds, and gotten used to this non-rolling-release style linux.... can I update packages from the internet and still use dvds?
16:54<cyrus_nk>scientes, gigix no chance, i reinstalled the system, i didn't installed official nvidia drivers and regarding the dkms method, i don't have nvidia-kernel-dkms on the installation dvd
16:54<cyrus_nk>same terminal above
16:55<scientes>epl692, i recommend using apt-cacher-ng +jidgo to download the dvds, so you also have them on disk, if you have the space
16:55<cyrus_nk>after reisnatlling the system i don't get gdm3 installed and i install it by hand, is it normal?
16:56<scientes>epl692, but yeah, if you have the dvds in your sources, and the internet, it can be set up (and i think it is the default) to still ask you to put in DVD X
16:56<scientes>cyrus_nk, its not on the dvd, cause its in non-free
16:56<cyrus_nk>it's not just starting the desktop after login
16:56<cyrus_nk>scientes, what can i use that is on the 1st dvd?
16:56<scientes>cyrus_nk, what version, cause squeeze has gdm3 by default
16:57<cyrus_nk>i have wheezy testing
16:57<epl692>okay good, because I have, lets say, very limited bandwidth... (or I would be on arch linux and scraching my head about this dvd thing) but each tool for each job.... but I want updates.
16:57<scientes>cyrus_nk, oh with wheezy, there is nouveau which is pretty good for 2D
16:57<scientes>well it can be buggy
16:57<scientes>i have to blacklist xvideo extension to get video working
16:57<cyrus_nk>i really need 3d:)
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16:57<cyrus_nk>it worked just fine, an upgrade screwed this
16:58<scientes>well nouveau does 3d sometimes, but yeah you probably want the nvidia driver, which you have to download
16:58<scientes>but you can just do apt-get update
16:58<scientes>and then install it (as long as non-free is in /etc/apt/sources.list)
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17:00<cyrus_nk>scientes, i'm on a non working wireless connection with the cumputer i have the problem with
17:00<epl692>okay, thanks for the help... see ya!
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17:00<scientes>cyrus_nk, you can download the indivdual debs from the web site http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx
17:01<scientes>cyrus_nk, but there are a number of them, the nvidia-kernel-dkms is the most important
17:01<scientes>you can wait on the glx drivers until you get internet working cyrus_nk
17:01<scientes>or just use nouveau
17:02<cyrus_nk>scientes, i will get the internet connection, and i will use smxi, it worked for me in the past
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17:02<cyrus_nk>scientes, i don't understand the problem, is it all because i keep the old /home folder??
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17:03<scientes>cyrus_nk, no that doesn't look like its a problem at all, i just thought it was cause you didn't mention graphics details
17:03<scientes>cyrus_nk, nvidia driver doesn't even work with the setup i have right now, im using nouveau
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17:04<cyrus_nk>scientes, it worked, that's what bother me. I think all my problems will be solved getting the internet connection
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17:09<k0matoznik>hello why is rus?
17:10<k0matoznik>тут есть русские?
17:10<retrospectacus>!ru
17:10<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
17:10<hacktotopo>alguien tiene al alcance algun source de tweetdeck
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17:11<k0matoznik>#debian-russian
17:11<k0matoznik>sorry
17:12<k0matoznik>so help me, where I make find RUS chanel?
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17:12<retrospectacus>k0matoznik: it's probably at irc://irc.freenode.net/#debian-russian
17:13<craigevil>k0matoznik, /join #debian-russian
17:13<diederik>type /join debian-russian
17:13<diederik>craigevil has it right, not me
17:13<k0matoznik>but this chanel (debian-russia) not illegal
17:14<retrospectacus>no such thing as an illegal channel...
17:15<k0matoznik>sorry ))
17:15<k0matoznik>I am
17:15<k0matoznik>in
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17:20<sms>hi im pless (gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list) ubuntu 12.4
17:20<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc sms
17:20<dpkg>sms: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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17:26<cyrus_nk>thank you guys and good night
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17:27<sms>فيصل ممكن ملف (gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list) في الابنتو ضروري لاني فقده
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17:27<faisal>????
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17:27<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc sms
17:27<dpkg>sms: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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17:50<Tohie>I'm trying to set up a server in virtual box with a static ip, dhcp works fine but with this /etc/network/interfaces
17:50<Tohie> # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
17:51<Tohie>
17:51<Tohie> # The loopback interface
17:51<Tohie> auto lo
17:51<Tohie> iface lo inet loopback
17:51<retrospectacus>Tohie: pastebin...
17:51<Tohie>
17:51<Tohie> # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian installation
17:51<Tohie> # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional)
17:51<Tohie> auto eth0
17:51<pparadis>crap
17:51<Tohie>
17:51<Airwave>Oh God.
17:51<Tohie>
17:51<Tohie> iface eth0 inet static
17:51<Tohie> address 192.168.1.10
17:51<Tohie> netmask 255.255.255.0
17:51<Airwave>Please kill me.
17:51<Tohie> network 192.168.1.0
17:51<Tohie> broadcast 192.168.1.255
17:51<Tohie> gateway 192.168.1.1
17:51<Tohie>Shit sorry
17:51<Tohie>Meant to paste a pastebin link
17:51<Tohie>I forgot what I had on clipboard <facepalm>
17:51<Airwave>It's OK.
17:52<ompaul>Tohie: when the bot wakes up you may find yourself exiting the channel don't worry ... internets and lag explains a lot
17:53<Tohie>Anyway I'm trying to setup a virtualbox with a static ip address with dhcp it works fine but with this /etc/network/interfaces config http://pastebin.com/NgRAPctH it will not ping the 192.168.0.1 is there an error in my config?
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17:53<pparadis>Tohie: under the network settings for your virtualbox vm, are you using "internal nat" or "bridged"
17:53<Tohie>bridged eth0 connection
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17:54<pparadis>Tohie: you're trying to ping 192.168.0.1 ?
17:55<pparadis>your gateway in that config is 192.168.1.1
17:55<Tohie>Yes I wanted to see if it would connect to my router, it will not ping anything except itself
17:55<pparadis>the config is using the 192.168.1.0/24 network
17:55<pparadis>if your network is actually 192.168.0.0/24, it will not work.
17:56<Tohie>How do I check this, sorry for the newbie questions
17:56<pparadis>what local IP address does your computer have right now?
17:56<Tohie>The host or the virtualbox?
17:56<pparadis>the host
17:56<Tohie>192.168.0.10
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17:56<pparadis>there's your problem.
17:57<pparadis>Tohie: is the IP address 192.168.0.11 taken on your network?
17:57<pparadis>try to ping it from the host.
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17:58<Tohie>It gives me a host unreachable message
17:58<Airwave>In your config you are using the 192.168.1.0/24 subnet (AKA 192.168.1.*), while your actual network uses 192.168.0.0/24.
17:58<pparadis>that means it is not in use (99% likely anyhow)
17:58<pparadis>Airwave: see above, i told him that, but it's not clicking ;)
17:58<Tohie>So change network to 192.168.0.11?
17:58<Airwave>No.
17:59<p00d73>Hi, I want my Makefile in a debian source package to run some terminal commands without compiling anything, what should I write in it?
17:59<Airwave>Change all occurences of "192.168.1" to "192.168.0".
17:59<pparadis>Tohie: modify /etc/network/interfaces in virtualbox to use 192.168.0 instead of 192.168.1
17:59<pparadis>Airwave: wait!
17:59<pparadis>Tohie: do not just do that.
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17:59<pparadis>Tohie: for the "address" line, change it to 192.168.0.11
17:59<pparadis>192.168.0.10 is already in use (it's asssigned to the host)
18:00<Airwave>Ah yes, I forgot about that part.
18:00<Airwave>Sorry.
18:00<pparadis>:)
18:00<Airwave>God damn you, one-upping me.
18:00<pparadis><3
18:01<Tohie>Thank you very much guys it's working now! Sorry about the accidental paste earlier
18:01<pparadis>s'okay
18:01<pparadis>Tohie: hang on a sec
18:01<Airwave>On an unrelated note, what is the profanity policy of this channel? I got scolded for saying fsck in #fedora?
18:01<Airwave>.*
18:02<pparadis>Tohie: this and things like it are very important --> http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/networking-concepts-HOWTO.html
18:02<Airwave>Tohie: That's OK; don't worry about it.
18:02<Tohie>Thank you, I will read that now
18:02<pparadis>Tohie: please read that stuff "cover to cover" and explore additional resources so you understand how basic networking works.
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18:03<craigevil>Airwave, this is #debian no one really cares about language as long as its understandable
18:03<pparadis>Tohie: this is also important to understand these days --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domain_Routing
18:03<Airwave>craigevil: Ok, thanks.
18:03<Airwave>#fedora cared.
18:04<craigevil>Airwave, hang around enough and you will see lots of profanity
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18:04<retrospectacus>well, we try to keep reasonably polite and on-topic
18:04<Marillion>Airwave: http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
18:04<craigevil>##linux and #android are that way too ,seems silly to me
18:04<Airwave>Note: I'm not trying to rag on #fedora or the fine people there.
18:04*pparadis holds back
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18:18<Tohie>My questions seem really dumb after reading through that first link
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18:31<Airwave>I'm reading Nginx HOWTOs, and according to this http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/configuring_https_servers.html#name_based_https_servers, I'm in deep shit if I want more than one domain hosted with HTTPS on the same server.
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18:31<pparadis>Airwave: no...
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18:32<pparadis>Airwave: older browsers on older operating systems don't understand SNI. the traditional approach to SSL is to use a separate IP address for each SSL site you're operating on a server, irrespective of what HTTP daemon is serving the sites.
18:32<Airwave>Well maybe it's just the lack of sleep, but doesn't it imply that I will need a separate IP address for each server to get the right SSL certificate?
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18:33<pparadis>nginx supports both assigning a separate IP address to a virtual host and using SNI to operate multiple SSL sites on a single IP.
18:33<Airwave>Well silly me. If I'd kept on reading instead of whining, I would have found that out as well.
18:33<pparadis>:)
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18:33<Airwave>No SNI support in Windows XP...
18:33<Airwave>I'm a sad panda.
18:34<pparadis>SNI does work fine with modern browsers on modern operating systems, by the way. if you're concerned about supporting visitors with older stuff, however, you may wish to use separate IP for each SSL site you need to host.
18:34<Airwave>Well, I guess there as as long as you don't use IE.
18:34<Airwave>Nah, fsck that.
18:34<pparadis>more info on SNI --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication
18:34<Airwave>It's just a personal website.
18:35<Airwave>I don't know anyone who still uses IE on Windows XP, and if they do they can deal with the invalid certificate.
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18:35<pparadis>yeah, burning another IPv4 address for each SSL site you want to host is technically "okay" according to IP justification policies in most places, but is still quite wasteful (albeit necessary in some cases).
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18:36*pparadis goes to watch the baby while the wife takes the older baby for a walk. back in a bit.
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18:37<Airwave>pparadis: Ok.
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18:39<scientes>https://imgur.com/idVlX
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18:39<themill>scientes: wrong channel
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19:30<Ionic>Hey.
19:30<Airwave>Hello.
19:30<Ionic>I'm trying to play a HTML5 in Iceweasel on Debian Unstable, but it doesn't work for newly added (system) users.
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19:31<Ionic>My old user is able to play HTML5 videos just fine, but adduser foo; login as foo; iceweasel; goto http://double.co.nz/video_test/test4.html will not play anything
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19:31<Ionic>I have already tried to copy ~olduser/.mozilla to ~newuser/, but this didn't yield any results
19:31<Ionic>Any idea what could be wrong?
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19:32<vitorcampos>hello
19:32<diederik>do "id <olduser>" and "id <newuser>" and compare the groups they're in.
19:32<Ionic>diederik: been there, done that
19:33<Ionic>can't spot any group which is responsible for that
19:33<diederik>no difference? for example group 'video'?
19:33<Ionic>uid=1000(ionic) gid=1000(ionic) groups=1000(ionic),1028(admins),5002(svn),130(fuse),5004(git),141(kvm),142(libvirt)
19:33<Ionic>there are differences
19:33<Ionic>newuser is only in group "newuser"
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19:33<Ionic>but the groups my olduser (ionic) is in shouldn't affect that
19:34<Ionic>maybe fuse
19:34<Ionic>But... fuse?!
19:34<Marillion>Ionic: relogin required for newuser
19:34<diederik>probably not, but your groups differ a lot from my groups
19:34<Ionic>I know that
19:34<diederik>uid=1000(diederik) gid=1000(diederik) groups=1000(diederik),7(lp),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),111(fuse),112(lpadmin),117(libvirt)
19:35<Ionic>point being... ionic isn't in video either
19:35<Ionic>and it works there
19:35<Ionic>admins, svn, git are manually added groups
19:35<Ionic>for stuff in /opt only
19:35<Ionic>kvm and libvirt have no influence on video stuff
19:36<jillsmitt>hi
19:36<Ionic>actually, let me check something
19:36<Ionic>nope, the ionic group is just a normal user group
19:36<jillsmitt>when i use epiphany or iceweasel they are stacking on every site even gmail
19:36<Marillion>Ionic: then use stable if you would like a working system, or file a bug ;)
19:36<jillsmitt>why?
19:37<Ionic>Marillion: I'd rather like to figure out what's wrong
19:38<Ionic>groups and the ~/.mozilla directory were my first guesses
19:38<Ionic>well, I'll try adding newuser to fuse...
19:38<Ionic>when desperate, any measure seems legit
19:38<pparadis>mmmm, group soup
19:38<Marillion>Ionic: that isn't, fuse have never to do
19:39<Ionic>Marillion: who knows
19:39<Ionic>it's the only group difference I can spot which MAY make sense, to some degree
19:39<Ionic>as fuse is a system group
19:39<Airwave>pparadis: Thanks so much for recommending Nginx. The config files are a dream.
19:40<Ionic>nope... fuse's not doing anything eiser
19:40<Airwave>Apache, however, is a trainwreck.
19:40<Ionic>either
19:40<Marillion>Ionic: mozilla don't use libfuse
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19:41<Ionic>Marillion: that was the only group that really differed between the two users :/
19:41<Ionic>adding video doesn't help either
19:42<Ionic>Ironically, Adobe Flash videos work fine...
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19:54<Marillion>jillsmitt: have you got the solution? can you thinking why? That isn't your browser, that is google, change the default page
19:56<abrotman>jillsmitt: what is "stacking" ?
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20:07<Ionic>hm
20:07<Ionic>Ok...
20:07<Ionic>HTML5 video is working fine on Iceweasel/Release
20:07<Ionic>even for new users...
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20:08<Ionic>I guess I can live with that...
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21:28<scientes>Ionic, 15 i you compile it yourself even supports h264
21:28<scientes>via gstreamer
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21:34<Ionic>scientes: uh? Firefox 15?
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21:34<scientes>Ionic, its in aurora right now
21:34<Ionic>Oh wow, indeed
21:34<Ionic>Interesting, thanks, didn't know that yet
21:35<Ionic>But the ESR version seems to be buggy though
21:35<scientes>trunk->aurora-->beta-->release-->extended support release
21:35<Ionic>yeah, I know
21:35<Ionic>release works fine, even with new users, so I'll stick to that
21:35<scientes>ahh you are using release from experimental
21:36<Ionic>yeah
21:36<Ionic>I switched to release from the unstable esr version, as it just wouldn't work for new users
21:36<scientes>yeah release will move to sid after wheezy freezes
21:36<abrotman>no, it won't
21:36<scientes>you can get aurora from http://mozilla.debian.net/ but they havn't turned on gstreamer in those builds
21:36<Ionic>nah I don't need it
21:37<Ionic>I just need any HTML5 video playback method
21:37<scientes>i did a little bugging, but i guess i will wait again until it hits debian until i file a bug
21:37<Ionic>I'm testing x2goclient/pulse
21:37<Ionic>Which... as it turns out, is stuttering badly with Adobe Flash, but working fine via Iceweasel's builtin HTML5 (webm/ogg theora) support
21:38<Ionic>Interestingly, pulseaudio 0.9.6 is not stuttering with Adobe Flash
21:38<scientes>Ionic, its set to -10 nice
21:38<Ionic>But I'll have to get this test matrix all set up to draw definite conclusions...
21:39<Ionic>scientes: nope, PA started as a user process
21:39<scientes>so that really a result of good PREEMPT scheduling in the kernel
21:39<Ionic>Oh wait, I'm talking about Windows PA stuff here :/
21:39<Ionic>which is even worse, no RT, no nothing
21:39<scientes>--> #debian-offtopic
21:39<Ionic>Same behavior on OS X though
21:40<Ionic>heh, yeah, highly offtopic, sorry :)
21:40<Ionic>Just wanted to let you know what I needed the HTML5 video playback for
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21:46<Ionic>staying on-topic... yeah, the iceweasel package from unstable behaves badly for new users, while the iceweasel package from experimental works fine, no matter whether the user is new or old
21:46<Ionic>whatever this bug is about
21:47<mikey>can anybody tell me why after I ran a the ./configure command on a specific piece of software, why it didn't create a make file?
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21:48<Ionic>mikey: most likely because configure failed
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21:48<mikey>okay, what would be the cause of that?
21:48<Ionic>check configure.log
21:48<abrotman>it would tell you
21:48<mikey>it didn't say it failed ...
21:50<mikey>checking ...
21:50<Ionic>it must have failed, or else it would have generated stuff
21:54<mikey>well, it did say it couldn't load evince (the PDF reader)
21:54<mikey>would that have caused it to fail?
21:54<Ionic>uhm
21:55<abrotman>what are you trying to compile?
21:55<Ionic>please, would you show us the log files and tell which software you're trying to build?
21:55<mikey>it's a music editor called "denemo"
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21:56<Ionic>ok, upload your config.log please
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21:57<Ionic>(note that debian already has a package called denemo)
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22:00<Ionic>mikey: you may try to make your life easier by running "apt-get build-dep denemo" and trying to run configure again
22:00<Ionic>(if it still fails, upload the config.log)
22:00<mikey>cool, I'll try that ...
22:00<mikey>okay
22:00<Ionic>build-dep will fetch the packages needed for building the denemo debian source package
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22:01<abrotman>why not just use the debian package?
22:01<Ionic>what are you trying to do, exactly?
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22:01<Ionic>do you need to modify the source or do you need a newer version of denemo?
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22:02<Ionic>if you don't need (to do) either, chances are installing the debian provided denemo package (apt-get install denemo) will make you even happier in less time
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22:06<mikey>problem solved! I installed the package, what an idiot. I didn't even know it was there for I visited their website first abd just followed their instructions for installation. THANX!
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22:08<Ionic>mikey: see? you're welcome
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22:10<Ionic>it may not be the most current version, but see if it suits you
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22:33<blue_block>what is the safest best way to do a full disk encryption? dm-crypt/ LUKS ? I am modifying TAILs (Debian) to be install as full disk. Would think aes-xts-essiv:sha256 might be the best. Any feedback welcome.
22:35<sney>is it tails or debian? can't be both
22:35<blue_block>debian
22:35<abrotman>wtf is TAILs ?
22:35<blue_block>says it all over the wallpaper
22:35<blue_block>stable
22:35<abrotman>Tails is not Debian
22:36<blue_block>https://tails.boum.org/
22:36<sney>blue_block, looks like they have their own channel - #tails
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22:39<blue_block>thx sney. Did not even know they had that #
22:40<sney>reading is good
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