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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-06-16

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02:33<li_>I install smplayer to my debian, but there is no sound when playing video as a non-root.
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02:34<li_>If I "sudo smplay ***.mkv", the sound will be just fine
02:36<li_>why? The driver of alsa has been installed.
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02:39<vortek>whats debain with the freebsd kernel?
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02:42<vortek>does debian witht he freebsd kernel differ from normal debian?
02:42<vortek>with the
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03:21<vortek>what do i type to vieww kernel eror msgs dmesg?
03:21<vortek>view
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03:28<misery>yeah
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03:29<toobaz>Hello. I'm running testing, and after the last upgrade metacity doesn't read my preferences (i.e. theme and most importantly shortcuts). Indeed, I see in the Debian changelog for 1:2.34.3-1 (BTW not the last) "Install GSettings schemas and GConf conversion script". And I do see my shortcuts with gconf-editor, but not with dconf-editor. Did something go wrong, or did I miss something?
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03:39<scientes>toobaz, gconf is deprecated
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03:50<toobaz>scientes: yes, I'm asking what happened in the migration... if there is this conversion script for metacity somewhere...
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03:51<scientes>well you should download the source, and figure out why the conversion script didn't work
03:51<scientes>and file a bug
03:51<toobaz>scientes: but I don't even see any "conversion script" in the metacity package
03:51<scientes>well apparently it should be there
03:51<scientes>probably in the postinst file
03:51<toobaz>I guess not
03:51<toobaz>those are _user_ configs
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03:52<scientes>well look at the package's vcs
03:52<scientes>it might have just been an oversight
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03:54<misery>what generates this file: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules ?
03:54<misery>(and how to regenerate it, because its wrong)
03:55<scientes>misery, did you try dpkg -S /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules
03:55<scientes>?
03:55<misery>dpkg: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules not found.
03:55<dpkg>misery: bugger all, i dunno
03:56<scientes>ok its autogen---i think udev generates that
03:56<craigevil>you can edit the file
03:56<misery>dpkg-reconfigure udev did nothing :/
03:57<scientes>edit it directly
03:57<scientes>its in /etc
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03:57<misery>i dont know what to change it to. udev rules are black magic to me.
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03:57<scientes>indeed
03:57<scientes>just remove what is screwing things up?
03:58<scientes>all that is suppose to do is cache devices that have been attached, so that when they are attached later they get the same name
03:58<misery>that will be my next step after a few google searches on the subject, methinks...
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03:58<scientes>it shouldn't screw up anything
03:58<craigevil>yes it can, its the weird file that changes eth1 to eth2 etc
03:59<scientes>i guess...thats the -net.rules
04:00<craigevil>ah right wrong file lol its 4am here
04:01<scientes>ffff its 1AM here
04:01<scientes>hello west coast ;)
04:01<scientes>to the east coast
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04:33<zorb0ne>how do I remove proftpd after i've installed it onto inetd.
04:34<zorb0ne>I want to remove and reinstall it.
04:34<scientes>zorb0ne, apt-get --reinstall install
04:34<scientes>if you want to purge conf files then do apt-get purge, fallowed by apt-get install
04:35<vortek>is there anything debian wont do heh
04:35<scientes>vortek, Debian wont violate your four freedoms?
04:35<zorb0ne>scientes: so, aptitude --reinstall install proftpd?
04:35<vortek>hehe
04:36<scientes>zorb0ne, that will keep your old configuration files, so if that is where the problem is, it wont fix it
04:36<vortek>whats a good place to buy hi end severs for debian, lik non intel hi eend cpu's?
04:36<zorb0ne>I _just_ installed it, I haven't messed around with any config files.
04:37<scientes>vortek, anywhere basically?
04:37<scientes>zorb0ne, ok, then do that
04:37<vortek>i dont know what to buy, i just want super performance
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04:37<vortek>non intel
04:38<vortek>something faster
04:38<scientes>vortek, you just want a 6 core phenom II then, for relatively cheap non-intel performance
04:38<zorb0ne>scientes: http://pastebin.com/KAkDCa0c
04:38<scientes>but this is kinda off-topic
04:38<vortek>sorry\
04:39<vortek>what di u type to get kernel messages ? dmesg?
04:39<scientes>vortek, a good strategy is to go into a store with a livecd...errr i'd go with a 3.2 kernel, not the 2.6.32 squeeze, and see if it works in the store
04:39<vortek>nice
04:39<scientes>zorb0ne, apt-get --reinstall install proftpd
04:39<scientes>not aptitude
04:39<scientes>with aptitude its aptitude reinstall proftpd
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04:40<vortek>di-do;
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04:40<scientes>vortek, that way there will be no suprises, you will know exactly how well it will work out of the box
04:41<vortek>nice
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04:41<scientes>however the real problems are always with wifi and graphics
04:41<gigix>vortek, agree with scientes, just try and see
04:41<vortek>what do i type to get kernel error msgs or kernel boot logs
04:41<scientes>vortek, dmesg, and /var/log/kern.log
04:41<vortek>k
04:41<zorb0ne>http://www.pastebin.ca/2161928
04:42<vortek>cuase wireless is giving me errors
04:42<scientes>vortek, pastebin lspci
04:42<zorb0ne>I removed proftpd dir and from init.d
04:42<vortek>could be the reason why it wont conect
04:42<zorb0ne>vortek: ndiswrapper sucks.
04:42<scientes>zorb0ne, that last pastebin doesn't work for me
04:42<zorb0ne>http://pastebin.ca/2161928
04:42<scientes>zorb0ne, ndiswrapper is not needed anymore for any wireless that i know of
04:43<scientes>even broadcom came around and is now working on free drivers
04:43<scientes>"Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at pastebin.ca."
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04:43<vortek>zorb0ne: i want to use the linux drivers, i may ahveto compile a kernel to get these
04:43<scientes>use paste.debian.org zorb0ne
04:43<zorb0ne>scientes: k i'll re-pastebin.
04:43<scientes>vortek, 3.2 is in the backports, and will be shipped with wheezy
04:43<scientes>thats why i said that, and not, like 3.4 or something
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04:44<zorb0ne>http://pastebin.com/P26eMRL3
04:44<vortek>yea i use that but the kernel gives me wifi errors
04:44<zorb0ne>scientes: k, I will from now on.
04:44<zorb0ne>http://paste.debian.net/ btw.
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04:46<scientes>zorb0ne, dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/proftpd-basic_1.3.3a-6squeeze4_i386.deb
04:46<scientes>or if that doesn't work dpkg -r proftpd-basic
04:47<scientes>you could also add echo "#!/bin/true" > /etc/init.d/proftpd
04:47<scientes>and then try again
04:47<scientes>might have to do that in a editor, cause of the !
04:49<zorb0ne>http://paste.debian.net/174780/
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04:49<scientes>echo \#!/bin/true > /etc/init.d/proftpd
04:49<scientes>echo \#\!/bin/true > /etc/init.d/proftpd
04:49<vortek>why doesnt my music service pandora.com work in debian? i treed boht browsers
04:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 494] by debhelper
04:50<zorb0ne>the second echo returned.
04:50<vortek>it only wokrs in windows
04:50<craigevil>its uses adobe flash
04:50<scientes>flash works on debian, its in non-free
04:50<vortek>ok thanxs
04:50<zorb0ne>You have to plug it in your browser.
04:51<vortek>is that hrd?
04:51<scientes>(or rather its in contrib, but all it does it download the binary from adobe)
04:51<vortek>hard
04:51<craigevil>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
04:51<vortek>thanxs
04:51<scientes>vortek, no, you just install the package, and it takes care of the details---but be aware that flash is a privacy and security risk
04:51<craigevil>!adobe flash
04:51<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and later releases. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
04:52<zorb0ne>If the apt-get doesn't work, dload the tar and do it manually, you just have to put the plugin in your browsers dir and load it into the browser vortek.
04:52<zorb0ne>vortek: In your browsers plugin dir.
04:52<scientes>~/.mozilla/plugins
04:52<vortek>thanxs
04:52<vortek>:)
04:52<zorb0ne>Debian 'till I drop dead.
04:52<gigix>^^
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04:53<vortek>^
04:53<scientes>zorb0ne, did that finial echo line let you uninstall proftpd
04:54<craigevil>why the hell would you manually download it? installing flashplugin-nonfree or flashplayer-mozilla from dmm always work
04:54<zorb0ne>scientes: http://paste.debian.net/174781/
04:55<scientes>zorb0ne, chmod +x /etc/init.d/proftpd
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04:55<scientes>zorb0ne, actually you should apt-get purge, and then apt-get install
04:56<scientes>but you might still need to do that
04:56<zorb0ne>http://paste.debian.net/174782/
04:56<scientes>damn
04:56<scientes>its smarter than me
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04:56<zorb0ne>i to tupid to
04:56<scientes>just try dpkg -r proftpd
04:57<zorb0ne>dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove proftpd which isn't installed.
04:57<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, zorb0ne
04:57<scientes>just try dpkg -r proftpd-basic
04:57<scientes>it looks like it actualy did reinstall
04:57<zorb0ne>http://paste.debian.net/174783/
04:57<scientes>but you need to remove and then reinstal to get that file back
04:58<scientes>ok, now remove that init.d file
04:58<scientes>rm /etc/init.d/proftpd
04:58<scientes>and then install apt-get install proftpd
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04:58<scientes>also, what are you using ftp for?
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04:58<scientes>i always just use sftp, which is provided by openssh-server
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05:00<zorb0ne>How does that work
05:00<scientes>well the problem with ftp, is that passwords with it are bad, cause they go over the clear, meaning anyone can sniff them and get your password
05:01<scientes>openssh fixes that
05:01<zorb0ne>Yeah, so sftp uses encryption.
05:01<zorb0ne>just apt-get install openssh-server ?
05:01<scientes>and you can connect to sftp with "connect to server" in gnome from the file menu
05:01<scientes>yeah that will do it
05:01<scientes>and thats really all it takes
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05:01<scientes>i use public/private ssh keys instead of passwords for extra security, but you don't need to do that
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05:03<zorb0ne>how do I go about setting up a user:pass for openssh-server, it seems I already have it.
05:03<scientes>also note that sftp is often called just "ssh"
05:03<scientes>zorb0ne, its the same as your login password
05:03<scientes>for your user account
05:04<scientes>and if you only use file access, you might want to turn off the remote shell feature
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05:06<scientes>(not sure how to do that)
05:06<zorb0ne>scientes: so the ftpd runs on port 25 then?
05:06<scientes>port 22
05:06<scientes>its not compatible with the ftp protocol
05:07<scientes>but its ubiquitous in the *nix world
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05:09<zorb0ne>hmmmm, scientes: I'm using the ftp to installa new theme in Drupal and it's saying 'Cannot connect'.
05:09<scientes>zorb0ne, well that is not ftp, its sftp/ssh
05:10<scientes>from gnome its file-->connect to server-->ssh
05:10<scientes>or in older gnome's just enter "ssh://user@host/"
05:11<scientes>or sftp://user@host"
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05:15<zorb0ne>http://paste.debian.net/174784/
05:16<leoleen>hey there how do you install new themes for ultimate edition 3.2?
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05:17<scientes>!ubuntu
05:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
05:17<scientes>leoleen, ultimate edition is not debian
05:17<scientes>zorb0ne, /etc/init.d/proftpd start
05:18<zorb0ne>no such file or dir.
05:19<zorb0ne>I enabled it in sysv-rc-conf as well :/
05:19<scientes>do you have a gui to this machine?
05:20<zorb0ne>Yep
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05:20<zorb0ne>synaptic pkg mngr then?
05:20<scientes>ok, file-roller /var/cache/apt/archives/proftpd-basic_1.3.3a-6squeeze4_i386.deb
05:20<scientes>and the get the init.d script out of that
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05:21<scientes>its in the data.tar.gz
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05:22<zorb0ne>scientes: Thanks for all the help, but I have to pass out O.o
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05:29<havefun>asdffa
05:30<havefun>hello
05:30<havefun>anybody here?
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05:37<gigix>havefun, please ask your question directly
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05:39<sh4d0w>hola
05:40<sh4d0w>alguien on????????????????????
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05:44<craigevil>!es
05:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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06:32<reklipz>I have an ATI Radeon HD 5870 graphics card. Is it recommended I use the fglrx proprietary driver, or the open source radeon driver? I intend to do some OpenGL development with the machine.
06:33<Zaba>then you need fglrx
06:34<Zaba>because the open source driver doesn't even support opengl 3.0 yet
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06:37<ratnick>are usb drivers compiled into kernel 2.6.32-45, or are they installed as a module?
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06:37<ompaul>lsusb might tell you
06:37<ompaul>sorry lsmod
06:37<reklipz>Zaba: Oh hi, :). http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature shows driver = 3.0, hardware = 4.2 with environment variable R600_STREAMOUT=1. I'll go with the bet that fglrx is better, though. Do you happen to know the difference between the radeon and the radeonhd driver?
06:37<Zaba>reklipz, radeonhd is dead and obsolete
06:38<reklipz>Zaba: Thought so; due to the source release by AMD. Cool.
06:39<Zaba>reklipz, and yes, you still want fglrx for anything substantial involving opengl. Open source drivers lack if not in features, then in performance. They might be getting 'there', but they aren't 'there' yet.
06:39<babilen>!tell reklipz -about radeon
06:39<babilen>!tell reklipz -about fglrx dkms
06:41<babilen>reklipz: I would recommend to also discuss this in #radeon and #fglrx on irc.freenode.net -- Please note that fglrx 10 is in squeeze (current Debian stable) which is not the newest version released upstream.
06:41<Zaba>and the newest version doesn't work with xorg server 1.12 anyway.
06:41<reklipz>bah!
06:41<Zaba>(that's not counting the 12.6 beta - which just crashes with it due to a silly bug)
06:42<Zaba>well, I just keep xorg server on hold on my laptop
06:42<babilen>Zaba: That is, however, irrelevant for squeeze :)
06:42<Zaba>and yes
06:42*Zaba should relocate to #debian-next sometime
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06:43<reklipz>12.4 was released for another OS not too long ago; I wonder if two major versions is going to affect me significantly.
06:43<ratnick>lsmod lists: usbcore usbhid usblp but I still haven't got a SideWinder Plug 'n Play usb gamepad working
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06:45<ratnick>is this another proprietary SNAFU?
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06:49<ratnick>any suggestions for installing the gamepad in Squeeze?
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06:50<Nemoder>ratnick: does lsusb show it?
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06:51<ratnick>the gamepad? no
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06:51<Nemoder>ratnick: unplug it and plug it back in and see if anything comes up in dmesg
06:51<ratnick>it show hid 50909 1 usbhid
06:52<ratnick>ok
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07:04<TCW>iw reg set DE <- works, how do I make that permanent? No /etc/rc.local is not an option, connections get connected more than once, so one time per boot is not enough. Using network-manager btw.
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07:05<abrotman>iw reg set DE ?
07:05<abrotman>oh ...
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07:05<abrotman>TCW: /etc/interfaces ? not sure if you can use n-m then
07:06<TCW>abrotman, /e/n/interfaces is not an option imho... but let me check something here...
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07:09<TCW>Hmm... how do I set a variable permanently? I thought export $VAR as root would do the trick, but relogin and the variable is gone
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07:10<abrotman>/etc/environment perhaps
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07:11<TCW>abrotman, up to now, empty file... but I thought more about a command to issue and not a reboot ;)
07:11<abrotman>put it in the file, then source the file
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07:12<TCW>abrotman, err... how could that differ from exporting a variable?
07:12<abrotman>because the next time you login, hsould be set?
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07:14<TCW>abrotman, I want to set $COUNTRY to "DE", according to linuxwireless.org that would be an option, but network-manager establisches a connection long before login
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07:15<abrotman>TCW: isn't there a package that's meant to set the location for wifi ?
07:15<abrotman>judd: info crda
07:15<judd>No package named 'crda' was found in squeeze/i386.
07:15<abrotman>judd: just do it!
07:15<abrotman>judd: info crda --release wheezy
07:15<judd>Package crda (net, optional) in wheezy/i386: wireless Central Regulatory Domain Agent. Version: 1.1.2-1; Size: 13.6k; Installed: 88k; Homepage: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Regulatory/#CRDA
07:16<TCW>abrotman, crda is installed, otherwise iw reg set $DOMAIN would not work ;)
07:16<abrotman>TCW: not what you need?
07:16<abrotman>TCW: thought it was supposed to be magic ?
07:17<TCW>hm?
07:17<abrotman>guess i misunderstand how it works
07:17<TCW>ah ok
07:17*abrotman checks /usr/share/doc/crda/ .. :(
07:17<awwwwwh>guys i've screwed my repos
07:18<TCW>at least I do not find any hints in the docs how to do it *right*
07:18<abrotman>awwwwwh: paste.debian.net
07:18<abrotman>TCW: that URL above?
07:19<awwwwwh>i've used on debian stable an untrusted backports repository to install the latest vlc 2 and now i can't revert to the old packages
07:19<abrotman>awwwwwh: paste.debian.net
07:19<awwwwwh>i've removed the repo... updated and it still shows the 2 packages
07:19<TCW>abrotman, I guess I have read that too, I am talking about all docs I could find, local and on the net
07:19<abrotman>awwwwwh: using apt-get or aptitude ?
07:19<TCW>awwwwwh, remove / purge vlc and then reinstall
07:19<awwwwwh>could anyone help me how to recover from this ? the unstable vlc messed up everything
07:20<abrotman>sounds like *you* messed up everything :)
07:20<TCW>awwwwwh, define "everything"
07:20<awwwwwh>but if i purge, it will still show vlc 2 package
07:20<TCW>"it"?
07:20<awwwwwh>synaptic
07:20<abrotman>awwwwwh: man dpkg .. search for "unavailable" ?
07:20<awwwwwh>hold on, i'm purging in terminal
07:20<TCW>awwwwwh, and what is the issue with that?
07:21<awwwwwh>i can't playback anymore
07:21<TCW>your error descriptions suck :)
07:21<awwwwwh>i know
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07:21<gigix>awwwwwh, what's your status at the moment ? no VLC installed ?
07:21<TCW>so change that? ;)
07:21<awwwwwh>it updated important debian video packages that should only stay in testing version
07:22<awwwwwh>gigix, vlc is installed
07:22<awwwwwh>i meant dependencies
07:22<awwwwwh>right
07:22<abrotman>awwwwwh: so you updated half your system to testing? and now you want to go back to stable ?
07:22<gigix>seems to me :S
07:22<awwwwwh>yes, but not half
07:22<awwwwwh>like 15 packages i thing
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07:23<gigix>most likely the video codecs and stuff
07:23<awwwwwh>but the thing is, the stable vlc is not compatible now with these new dependencies
07:23<awwwwwh>yes
07:23<awwwwwh>holly crap i did it
07:23<awwwwwh>haha
07:24<gigix>awwwwh what about "sudo apt-get autoremove vlc*" to remove all vlc + its dependencies ?
07:24<awwwwwh>now it shows version 1.3 in aptitude after v2 purge
07:24<gigix>good now install the classic vlc and check playback's working
07:24<awwwwwh>but i don't understand why after removing the untrusted repo, it still showed v2 as the latest version ---- this is what fooled me thinking i can't revert to v1.3
07:25<gigix>the presence or not of the repo does not change the fact that the packages are installed
07:25<awwwwwh>now at least i know i have to purge next time to see the old available package
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07:25<gigix>so they have to be shown in synaptic
07:26<awwwwwh>yea but it should show in synaptic - v2 installed and 1.3 latest available version
07:26<Nemoder>if dmm messes something up in testing I just search for packages and replace them: aptitude search '~S ~i (~multimedia)'
07:26<awwwwwh>but it works like a machine i guess... not logic for it considering numbers
07:26<abrotman>Nemoder: he used packages from testing
07:26<Nemoder> aptitude search '~S ~i (~testing)' then
07:27<gigix>awwwwwh, since the package shares the same name
07:27<gigix>it's impossible
07:27<awwwwwh>i guess that's the reason you can't use testing repos in stable... they don't let you install. this untrusted repo i used forced the installation of the testing dependencies. that's what hapened
07:27<gigix>that's why for example nvidia-drivers have different suffixes for different versions
07:28<awwwwwh>i'm still new with linux ,,, it's all weird to me
07:28<awwwwwh>thanks for the support
07:31<ompaul>awwwwwh: although this is a bad analogy, imagine taking a program from some $version of today's ms windows and trying to run it on dos 1.0
07:31<awwwwwh>yea, you're right
07:31<awwwwwh>that's why i'll wipe this and run testing from now of
07:32<awwwwwh>there's too much stress running debian stable with old packages and trying improvisations all the time
07:32<awwwwwh>at least mozilla is updated
07:33<abrotman>or use mozilla.debian.net
07:33<abrotman>or backports.debian.org
07:33<awwwwwh>i'm using it
07:33<Thorgrin>,kernel
07:33<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
07:33<Nemoder>testing is going to be frozen soon anyway right?
07:33<abrotman>"RSN"
07:34<Nemoder>so within a year or two ;)
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07:34<abrotman>hopefully within a month
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07:35<awwwwwh>what do you mean frozen
07:35<Nemoder>the next step towards testing becomming stable
07:35<awwwwwh>ohh
07:36<ompaul>awwwwwh: think of it as "getting there" a bit of cleaning up, fixing this and that, and agreeing all platforms are go
07:37<awwwwwh>yea... a lot of work
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07:42<alex_>hi trying to su into news ie su - news i think its the default bebian instalation
07:42<alex_>so how to create /home/news?
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07:42<alex_>installing INN from source
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07:43<Nemoder>adduser news
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07:45<alex_>Nemoder tried that already http://pastebin.com/crP3qzjH
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07:46<Nemoder>odd it should have created it, well you can do it manually: mkdir /home/news; chown news:news /home/news/
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07:49<alex_>Nemoder: thankyou what about a password
07:50<Nemoder>su news; passwd
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07:54<alex_>Nemoder how do i know the current password if i did not create one? http://pastebin.com/wgQHgKSR
07:56<Nemoder>alex_: ah I guess news is a default user in debian, it doesn't have a password, it isn't meant to be logged in to, only exists so programs can run under it securely
07:56<alex_>ok thanks
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07:57<Nemoder>you could give it one with root but it might be better to just user a different user account
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08:00<alex_>Nemoder: now that I followed the steps you to create /home/news i cannot su- news into it
08:00<alex_>i must cd /home/news http://pastebin.com/1s6Kep0G
08:01<Nemoder>alex_: it might cause less problems if you start over with 'adduser mynews' or something and use that instead
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08:05<abrotman>alex_: what's the error when you 'su - news' ?
08:05<abrotman>or 'su news'
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08:07<alex_>abrotman: root@slug:~# su news
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08:07<alex_>and then it just gives $
08:07<abrotman>alex_: and then you 'whoami' ?
08:08<broomZ>hello. If i want to encrypt the installation partitions with keysize > 256 - where can i find article about this howto? I think i need to encrypt before install somehow? because debian installer only allows the default keysize up to 256bit max
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08:10<alex_>abortman: seems strange http://pastebin.com/E2vAS8qE
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08:11<abrotman>alex_: uhm, and what/.
08:11<abrotman>?
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08:12<alex_>abrotman: sh: what/.: Permission denied
08:12<abrotman>...
08:13<abrotman>alex_: what's wrong with your paste?
08:13<alex_>ok sorry does the pasrebin i sent look strange
08:13<Apollo>alex_: you're trying to list the /root directory, as the news user
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08:13<themill>alex_: looks perfectly sensible. Not what you want, but perfectly correct.
08:13<Apollo>/root is readable only foor root
08:14<Apollo>so what themill said
08:14<Apollo>*for
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08:15<alex_>ok all i want to do is install INN from source i have a news home which i cd into as per what Nemoder
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08:15<alex_>suggested
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08:16<themill>I thought we established that "apt-get install inn" was the best plan here… :(
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08:19<alex_>themill we did but I want to install from source its a learning process builind from a tar ball more control over whats installed and have a /home/news dir like all the other stuff i have built
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08:19<abrotman>alex_: if it's a learning process, you sohuld be doing learning, not asking basic questions here
08:19<Nemoder>alex_: at the very least do it the right way and build from debian's source instead of tarball, less headaches
08:20<abrotman>or just install the package and be done with it
08:20<abrotman>he doesn't seem capable of building from source without asking a thousand questions
08:21<alex_>thankyou all for giving me something to chew on
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09:07<tmp>hi! short question: i just added linux mint repos to my wheezy sources.list. i have to install linuxmint-keyring to not get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" all the time, right?
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09:08<abrotman>we can't support that, Mint is not Debian
09:08<tmp>...lmde?
09:08<abrotman>not Debian
09:08<abrotman>they have their own support people, we aren't it
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09:08<tmp>m'kay, thx for nothing then, i guess.
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09:51<pavi>I have a Nvidia Nforce chipset with sound card CK804 . It was properly playing sound but after an upgrade in wheezy I lost sound
09:53<pavi>I tried reloading alsa with alsa force-reload which gives a beep sound . But aplay is unable to play anything
09:54<towo`>cat /proc/asound/cards
09:56<pavi>towo`, http://paste.debian.net/174815/
09:57<towo`>that looks ok, you are using pulseaudio?
09:57<pavi>No I am not using pulse audio
09:58<pavi>By the way I am trying somethings at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=615225
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10:04<janneman>hello
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10:05<janneman>not if this is the place to ask, but i'm looking for a chat application which supports video (cam)
10:05<ryu>Hi can some one help to write driver
10:05<janneman>who can advise me
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10:06<ryu>Can any one provided me how to writer driver for the usb data card in linux
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10:06<sney>!tell janneman about debtags
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10:07<pavi>towo`, any idea?
10:07<sney>ryu, step 1: learn C
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10:07<ryu>i now the c / c++ languge
10:08<ryu>but how to write the driver and how to complie it in linux
10:08<janneman>ha okay thnx
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10:09<Comics-Idees>do you know any good e-book for command line interface ubuntu?
10:09<ryu>Are their any tool that can help me out for write the driver and compile for the linux
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10:10<pavi>Comics-Idees, try tldp
10:10<ryu>Full Circle Magazine #59
10:11<sney>ryu try downloading the kernel sources and looking at other drivers to understand them
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10:12<sney>!ubuntuirc Comics-Idees
10:12<dpkg>Comics-Idees: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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10:17<vile0ner>How do I go about reinstalling proftpd? http://paste.debian.net/174821/
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10:18<sney>vile0ner, note line 16 in your paste - I'd suspect that deb is corrupted. delete it and run your apt-get command again, it'll be redownloaded and that might work
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10:20<ryu>@sney that i have already done
10:21<ryu>Now the problem is that can you help me out how to write driver devices driver for usb dongle.
10:21<sney>ryu, http://kernel.org/faq/#kernelbuild
10:22<vile0ner>sney: How do I go about finding and deleting the deb?
10:22<sney>vile0ner, well, it gives you the path right there - /var/cache/apt and so on.
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10:25<ryu>@sney may u plz help me out that how to make and complie the the devices driver in linux
10:25<ogitp>Hi guys.
10:26<ogitp>I'm a first time Debian user here, first time Linux actually. I have some questions about setting up wireless, shoudl be pretty simple. Anyone know anything about Intel wireless n 2230?
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10:27<sney>ryu, no. do your own homework. I have pointed you in the right places so you can learn it yourself
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10:28<sney>ogitp, that one requires firmware I think, do you have the pci id? you can find it by running the following command: lspci -nn |grep -i net
10:28<sney>the pci id looks like [xxxx:xxxx]
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10:28<ryu>sney i agree with you but the links what you have is different from my issues
10:28<vile0ner>ogitp: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#PCIDevices http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=linuxwifi&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CGAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Flinuxwireless.org%2F&ei=CZjcT7XqOKfI2gXR_q2gDQ&usg=AFQjCNHvDpNJHHf1w6SDLVgGIJFLXnysiw&cad=rja
10:28<vile0ner>fack
10:28<sney>pro
10:29<vile0ner>so much for tinyurl :p
10:29<sney>ryu, kernelnewbies.org is different from your desire to build a linux kernel driver for a specific device? zuh?
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10:30<ogitp>sney: yeah, it's 8086:0887.
10:30<sney>,pciid 8086:0887
10:30<judd>[8086:0887] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 2230' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0887
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10:30<sney>hmm, you may also need a newer kernel
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10:31<sney>pciid 8086:0887 --release sid
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10:31<ryu>@sney thank you for the help .
10:31<ansgar>Wireless with kernel module 'ata_generic'??
10:31<sney>ogitp, anyway, you'll need to install a later kernel from http://backports.debian.org/ and the package firmware-iwlwifi
10:32<sney>ansgar, it spits that out if it can't find a match in the suqeeze kernel.
10:32<sney>!tell ogitp about iwlwifi
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10:35<ogitp>sney: thanks, I'l check it out
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10:39<Tohie>I'm upgrading to wheezy from stable and I was wondering what would be the best move if my dependencies broke would I be better off just re-installing and trying again?
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10:42<sney>Tohie, pretty much, or removing large bundles like desktop environments
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10:43<Tohie>How bad is gnome 3 am I better off using kde or should I try to use gnome 3?
10:43<sney>I like gnome 3 but I was never that attached to gnome 2. it's definitely different but it's pretty easy to get used to it
10:44<sney>kde is a better bet if you really need that taskbar + deskop icons metaphor
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10:44<Tohie>I'll give it a shot, hopefully my dependencies won't get mucked up beyond repair
10:45<sney>it helps if you use apt-get for the upgrade rather than aptitude. aptitude tries to be too clever about dependency resolution when it really needs to be replacing everything
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10:47<Tohie>What are my chances of this going wrong with apt-get if I use it a pretty much use the programs that came with default debian?
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10:48<sney>well, there is no 'default debian' really, but if you installed one of the tasks the installer offered you and haven't modified the system much, it has a good chance of working just fine
10:48<Tohie>Ok thank you
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10:52<asdlheb>Hey, wondering whether such a setup is possible: 4 disks, each luks encrypted, and all 4 have to be decrypted by intramfs / grub2 for the machine to start (big btrfs volume over all 4)
10:53<asdlheb>. / should be possible but wondering how
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11:19<TobiX>asdlheb: You could store the key files for volume 2-4 on volume 1, so on boot you give the passphrase for volume 1 and the keys become available for 2-4...
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11:20<TobiX>asdlheb: But I only used that scheme for root/home split on different discs, I don't know if it would work for a distributed root...
11:23<o0u>(asdlheb is my mobile phone irc account, now answering from laptop) hm, to mount volume 1, volumes 2-4 also need to be decrypted (btrfs filesystem over those 4 volumes).. Wouldnt be a problem to enter the password 4 times, so just looking for an option to tell initramfs to not only decrypt /dev/sda but /dev/sd{a,b,c,d}
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11:27<TobiX>o0u: The crzptsetup/README.initramfs.gz says: "Several "cryptopts" boot arguments can also be specified in case more than
11:27<TobiX>one mapping needs to be setup in the initramfs stage of the boot.
11:27<TobiX>So you can use the cryptopts option on the kernel command line multiple times to setup all mappings
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11:31<TobiX>o0u: There are even keyscripts povided to derive the key for multiple crypted devices from one master key, the chapter 9 of /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz
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11:36<o0u>cool, thx for this hint :) will create a vm and try it out, so the cryptopts argument needs to be passed via (e.g) grub2 ? or where should it be set?
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11:40<o0u>and it would look sth like this:? root=/dev/mapper/crypt0 cryptopts=target=crypt0,source=/dev/sda1 cryptopts=target=crypt1,source=/dev/sdb1 cryptopts=target=crypt2,source=/dev/sdc1
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11:47<o0u>ok, after reading some more I think that should be roughly correct
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12:00<Tohie>I am trying to upgrade from stable to wheezy but I get this message http://pastebin.com/YaWgHr37 is there anyway to resolve this without breaking my system?
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12:01<movl>Tohie: paste yer sources.list
12:01<abrotman>seems like you've done it wrong ..
12:03<Tohie>Here is my sources.list http://pastebin.com/9trp2pSm
12:04<movl>wtf
12:04<abrotman>Tohie: and what command did you issue to do your upgrade ?
12:04<movl>comment your last four lines
12:04<abrotman>the last one doesn't really matter
12:04<movl>then update
12:05<Tohie>So comment multimeadia and spotify repo's
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12:05<abrotman>and the squeez-eupdates
12:05<Tohie>Which would be safer aptitude full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade?
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12:05<abrotman>!tell Tohie about squeeze->wheezy
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12:10<Tohie>One last question can I uncomment the repo's after upgrading or will this just break my system?
12:10<abrotman>you don't need squeeze-updates on wheezy
12:11<Tohie>Ok but what about multimedia and spotify>
12:11<abrotman>leave them commented for now .. see if you need them later, you may not
12:11<Tohie>Ok thank you
12:11<abrotman>don't forget you'll ned a security source soon
12:12<Tohie>I plan on upgrading to testing again after wheezy goes stable, I will not need the security source then will I?
12:13<abrotman>nope, testing doesn't have true security support
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12:13<Tohie>Thank you for all the help
12:13<abrotman>but it should be advised that after release, testing turns into a messy place
12:14<Tohie>So wait a month or two, then jump to testing is advised?
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12:14<abrotman>wait until a) you feel it's stable enough you don't have to worry about lots of stuff breaking b) it has something you can't live without
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12:18<ntrrgc>Hello, I want to remove a package. How to? http://pastebin.com/RxeEuLQW
12:19<Tohie>Ok I have somewhat of a huge dependency mess now I have 66 conflicts, 52 deferred and apt-get is refusing to work is there anything I can do besides reinstalling?
12:19<abrotman>ntrrgc: didn't stew help you with this?
12:19<ntrrgc>BTW, why on the Earth php5-mysql depends on Apache? I do not use Apache. I don't want to install Apache.
12:19<ompaul>Tohie: what are you trying to update / upgrade and did you do dist-upgrade
12:19<ntrrgc>who is stew?
12:20<movl>Tohie: use aptitude
12:20<Tohie>I used aptitude full-upgrade
12:20<movl>oh
12:20<ompaul>Tohie: from what to what?
12:20<movl>try safe-upgrade first
12:20<Tohie>I aptitude full-upgraded from stable to wheezy
12:20<ompaul>Tohie: also pastebin in http://paste.debian.net your /etc/apt/sources.list
12:21<Tohie>http://pastebin.com/9trp2pSm
12:21<Tohie>But the last 4 repos are commented out
12:21<ompaul>Tohie: are they?
12:21<ntrrgc>Fixed after purging php5-mysql -.-'
12:21<abrotman>ntrrgc: nm, someone else must have had a similar issue
12:22<ompaul>Tohie: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade if they are btw you should remove anything you installed from the mm repo
12:22<ompaul>before you upgrade
12:22<Tohie>Is there anyway to view packages installed from multimedia?
12:22<ompaul>and spotify
12:23<ompaul>Tohie: what did they bring in with them ... that is most likely where your issue comes from
12:23<abrotman>!tell Tohie about dmm list
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12:25<Aleric>/quote HELP LIST
12:25<chealer>ntrrgc: it doesn't
12:26<Tohie>Ok I have removed spotify and the packages from multimedia but it is still giving me errors, would it help if I showed the output from apt-get dist-upgrade?
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12:26<ntrrgc>chealer: I had just found it. php5-cgi is put as an alternative. Could work.
12:26<ompaul>Tohie: you have apt-get update since you removed them?
12:27<Tohie>Yes
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12:27<ompaul>go for it but use paste.debian.net (no adverts)
12:28<Tohie>http://paste.debian.net/174850/ That is the dependency errors
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12:30<abrotman>Tohie: dpkg -l libc6-dev
12:30<abrotman>Tohie: which versoin is installed ?
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12:30<Tohie>2.11.3-3
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12:31<abrotman>oh whoops
12:31<abrotman>Tohie: dpkg -l gcc-4.4 .. which versoin is that
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12:31<abrotman>judd: versions gcc-4.4
12:31<judd>Package: gcc-4.4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; sid: 4.4.7-1; wheezy: 4.4.7-1
12:32<Tohie>version 4.4.5-1
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12:32<ompaul>oh lovely you have something that is not from debian :-)
12:32<abrotman>Tohie: you're getting that error with 'a;pt-get dist-upgrade" ?
12:32<Tohie>Yes
12:32<abrotman>ompaul: or an old squeeze version
12:32<ompaul>true
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12:33<abrotman>Tohie: dpkg -l | egrep ^h
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12:33<Tohie>Returns nothing
12:34<abrotman>Tohie: aptitude search ~ahold ?
12:34<Tohie>Returns nothing
12:34<abrotman>awesome
12:34<Tohie>I installed from the official i386 net installer if this matters
12:34<abrotman>Tohie: are you pinning anything in /etc/apt/apt_preferences?
12:34<Airwave>Quick question: There are more or less "standard" subdomains for certain purposes, like "www" for a website, "wiki" for a wiki, "mail" for e-mail, etc. I have a subdomain that points to my home IP address. Is there a standard way to name that?
12:35<abrotman>Airwave: home. ?
12:35<abrotman>:)
12:35<Airwave>Right now, I named it "home".
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12:35<Airwave>Yeah, that does seem like the best.
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12:35<Tohie>I do not have an apt_prefernces files, but I checked in the preferences.d directory and there was nothing there
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12:35<ompaul>Airwave: also things like - thisisinotaserver work :) it really doesn't matter
12:36<abrotman>Tohie: show us the output of "aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade"
12:36<abrotman>Tohie: in a pastebin
12:36<Airwave>Ok, thanks guys.
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12:40<Tohie>The file is quite long does paste.debian.net allow long files?
12:40<abrotman>yes
12:42<Tohie>http://paste.debian.net/174851/ Trying harder fails if you are wondering
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12:42<Tohie>I did not redirect the update command to the files, but I assume this doesn't matter
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12:45<abrotman>that's why i asked for both ...
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12:46<Tohie>Sorry I'll run it again but aptitude update doesn't return errors
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12:47<abrotman>Tohie: you're supposed to use apt-get .. but it's upset with you
12:49<abrotman>Tohie: perhaps the crummy answer is to remove gcc-4.4
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12:49<Tohie>Here is the full file http://paste.debian.net/174852/, would it be much easier if I pointed aptitude back to squeeze and then reinstall when wheezy is released?
12:50<abrotman>not really
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12:50<abrotman>Tohie: if you try to remove gcc-4.4, what happens ?
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12:51<Tohie>It tells me it conflicts with virtual box
12:52<Tohie>However the second solution says it will remove the old packages and install the testing versions
12:52<Tohie>Should I try this?
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12:53<Tohie>Here http://paste.debian.net/174853/ is the second solution aptitude provides
12:54<Tohie>The first solution remove dkms virtualbox-ose-dkms
12:55<abrotman>i think you can live without those during your upgrade
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12:56<Tohie>So the first solution, then remove gcc and upgrade?
12:57<abrotman>you can reinstall it later
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13:00<Tohie>Ok so apt-get dist-upgrade is still complaining about gcc and full-upgrade still has 55 conflicts
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13:03<Tohie>Could I pin gcc from squeeze or will this just cause me a huge headache late?
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13:05<abrotman>Tohie: i thought you removed the GCC it was upset about ?
13:06<Tohie>I did I've update twice but it still complains about it
13:06<Tohie>No actually it will not let me remove it because it will break things do I force it too remove gcc?
13:07<user01>is there a bash command to recursively do a command in each subdirectory? for example, I have multiple subdirectories with mov files going to convert to mp4, so i want to run ffmpeg -i *.mov to mp4 but for each subdirectory
13:07<abrotman>Tohie: break what?
13:07<Tohie>No it has removed gcc sorry
13:07<abrotman>user01: find
13:07<user01>abrotman, thanks!
13:08<abrotman>user01: find . -name *.mov -exec ffmpeg -i {} \; .. or something like that .. test it first
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13:09<Tohie>sudo aptitude remove gcc > aptitude.txt, gives me http://paste.debian.net/174855/
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13:12<Tohie> sudo apt-get update > apt-get.txt && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade >> apt-get.txt
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13:12<abrotman>Tohie: i said to remove gcc-4.4
13:13<Tohie>Remove gcc-4.4
13:13<Tohie>Ok sorry removed the wrong gcc
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13:14<Tohie>Ok so now apt-get is working, I will come back if this fails thank you for being so patient and sorry for wasting your afternoon
13:14<anbe>Tohie, virtualbox-ose-* will be renamed, dropping the '-ose' infix, so it's ok if the old dkms goes away
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13:15<Tohie>Oh one last thing is there anything I can do to cleanup after apt-get is finished?
13:16<abrotman>Tohie: clean up what?
13:16<Tohie>With gcc and virtualbox?
13:16<abrotman>you just need to install build-essential, and then install virtualbox but also look for the dkms packages for vbox
13:17<Tohie>Ok thank you for your help, my machine probably would be broke right now if I didn't get your help
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13:19<Tohie>Ok so now libgstreamer is complaining
13:19<abrotman>?
13:19<anbe>Tohie, if you have gcj-4.4 installed, that might be a reason apt does not find a good upgrade path, gcj-4.4 is obsolete and should be removed during the dist-upgrade (#677582)
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13:21<Tohie>It says apt-get could not perform immediate configuration 'libgstreamer0.10-0'
13:21<abrotman>can you ignore it?
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13:21<Tohie>No apt-get quits right after giving the message
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13:24<ompaul>Tohie: do this and pastebin it please dpkg -l l| grep libgstreamer
13:25<ompaul>Tohie: maybe removing the second lower case L
13:26<Tohie>It's versions is 0.10.30.1
13:26<ompaul>Tohie: that was not what I wanted
13:26<ompaul>Tohie: do this and pastebin it please dpkg -l | grep libgstreamer
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13:27<Tohie>http://paste.debian.net/174858/
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13:28<ompaul>Tohie: try this apt-get remove --purge libgstreamer-plugins-base libgstreamer0.10-0
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13:28<joseph>hey, do you have an idea any software to hibernate Linux? The software default is very very slow, comparing with MS Windows. Is there how to improve this functionality in Debian Squeeze (6.0.5)? Thanks
13:29<ompaul>Tohie: or if you use aptitude do that
13:29<AlexLikeRock>hola gente, buenos dias :-)
13:29<Tohie>apt-get can not find the package libgstreamer-plugins-base
13:30<ompaul>sorry typo libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0
13:31<ompaul>!es
13:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:31<Tohie>http://paste.debian.net/174860/
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13:33<ompaul>Tohie: this is turning into fun
13:33<ompaul>Tohie: what command got that?
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13:34<Tohie>sudo apt-get remove --purge libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 > apt-get.txt
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13:34<ompaul>sudo -i and get to be root
13:34<s4br3>What are favourite commands to keep your system tidy? This is what i do at times: dpkg --configure -a, apt-get -f install, aptitude update, aptitude safe-upgrade, apt-get autoremove, aptitude autoclean, aptitude clean, deborphan. Are these relevant and/or redundant? Or are thereany more commands one should think of?
13:34<ompaul>Tohie: why the >
13:34<Tohie>Still the same result, I find it easier to paste
13:35<Tohie>I can keep track of all the different commands too
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13:35<ompaul>Tohie: if you want to do that then do this apt-get remove --purge libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 libgstreamer0.10-0 | tee > output.txt
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13:36<Tohie>Ok, but even su-ing to root and running the command fails
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13:37<Tohie>Shall I try installing gnome-3 then upgrading because it appears to be a problem with the keyring
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13:37<Tohie>Or shall I just upgrade the keyring?
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13:38<ompaul>Tohie: tell me, was the error message identical to the last one?
13:38<Tohie>Yes
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13:39<ompaul>basically Tohie you have from the first activities managed to have an unstable setup from the beginning situation where you had repos that pulled in stuff that you didn't need
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13:40<ompaul>Tohie: can you run your aptitude full-upgrade and choose one of the solutions on an ongoing basis - if it breaks gnome or some such don't worry about it too much -
13:40<Tohie>Ok
13:40<ompaul>Tohie: at the end of the day you can install taskselect
13:41<Tohie>I'm used to ubuntu adding ppa's, I supposed just randomly adding repo's is a bad idea in debian
13:41<ompaul>Tohie: and then you can install a "task" and that is a meta package
13:41<ompaul>so it will pull in all sorts of thing
13:42<s4br3>Tohie: Try "dpkg --configure -a" and then "apt-get -f install" a few times. It saved me last week.
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13:43<Tohie>So aptitude full-upgrade then +, then type I am aware this is a very bad idea then install task
13:44<ompaul>Tohie: you want to get it out of the way asap and tasks put in gnome / kde whatever you want
13:44<ompaul>but the use of mm and spotify would have brought in whatever they thought were good things
13:45<Tohie>Shall I purge everything then install task and go from there?
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13:45<Tohie>Purge all of the broke dependencies I mean
13:46<ompaul>you can try - you have nothing to lose
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13:46<ompaul>the only thing I ever ask people is that they have enough stuff on some cds to reboot the box and do a complete reinstall if all fails - remembering of course to backup your data first
13:46<Tohie>Ok so I'm going to try the automatic dependency resolution it says it is going to break perl-base, how essential is this package?
13:47<ompaul>Tohie: pretty much core
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13:47<Tohie>So this is not a good idea?
13:47<ompaul>correct
13:47<ompaul>box left in semi unfixable state by previous packages ...
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13:48<Tohie>Ok I will go with the + option, I have the netinstall on a usb if I fail I will re-install from that
13:48<ompaul>you could if you spent an awful long time bringing in packages using dpkg -i on them maybe get there
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13:49<ompaul>Tohie: perhaps this points to how not do mix things and most certainly if you use outside repo don't let them touch libraries unless you know what the implications are
13:50<Tohie>Yes, I'm definately not mixing my repo's up again although it's been an interesting learning exercise
13:50<sney_>Tohie: when you asked earlier about whether the upgrade would have been easy, if you had included this information I would have told you to reinstall then
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13:51<Tohie>I might try the linux mint debian edition, I really like the gnome 2 interface and I'm not a huge fan of gnome 3
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13:51<ompaul>Tohie: then use stable, get backports if necessary
13:52<sney_>mint's gnome2-ish interface might get packaged for debian before long, and there's also xfce
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13:52<cobra__>utf-8 is a connection type?
13:53<sney_>utf-8 is encoding. also known as unicode
13:53<cobra__>can you get TOR to run on an android device
13:53<cobra__>?
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13:53<sney_>this isn't the tor channel or the android channel, but my guess is probably if the android device is rooted
13:53<cobra__>ok thanks
13:54<sney_>please find a tor channel or an android channel to ask any further questions on that topic though
13:54<Tohie>I have no hope of pointing apt at squeeze repo's and fixing this do I?
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13:55<sney_>only if you haven't performed any upgrades yet
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13:56<Tohie>I am going to see what this gives me
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13:56<Tohie>With any luck this system might hold out until wheezy is officially released as stable then I can reinstall with that
13:58<ompaul>Tohie: you can install squeeze in full - then you dist-upgrade to wheezy
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13:58<ompaul>you could be on wheezy a long time
13:58<ompaul>waiting on all rc bugs to be removed
13:59<Tohie>I thought it was supposed to be going into freeze in june
13:59<ompaul>a freeze gets bugs removed
13:59<ompaul>bugs about
13:59<ompaul>release critical
13:59<sney_>yes, the freeze is often several months before the actual release. when did squeeze freeze? may 2010? something like that. and then it didn't release until the following February.
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14:01<Tohie>Ok it looks like my system is actually still working at the moment the squeeze repo's show me no upgrades
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14:01<Tohie>Bringing in unetbootin appears to show no dependency issues and it is working fine with apt-get
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14:03<Tohie>I will create a bootable usb stick and hopefully it will still work at reboot
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14:03<Tohie>Thank you for your help and sorry for wasting your time
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14:08<abrotman>wtf
14:09<abrotman>Tohie: you don't have to do that
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14:10<Tohie>abrotman: What do you suggest doing?
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14:10<abrotman>Tohie: why can't you finish the dist-upgrade ?
14:10<Tohie>abrotman: iirc libgstreamer was going to break apt-python
14:11<Tohie>To fix the dependencies it required perl-base to remove which would break the system
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14:11<abrotman>Tohie: apt-python is more important .. let it remove libgstreamer .. fix X after your upgrade
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14:12<abrotman>Tohie: you're doing your upgrade from CLI aren't you?
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14:12<Tohie>abrotman: I'm doing it from a terminal in gnome-2
14:13<abrotman>not the best approach
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14:13<Tohie>I have also broke gcc and libqt-* is broke
14:14<Tohie>spotify apparently raped all of the libqt-* dependencies
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14:15<scientes>Tohie, well qt3 is dropped from wheezy, if that has anything to do with it
14:16<Tohie>No, spotify uses libqt4-webkit it broke all of the other libqt dependencies though
14:17<chealer>scientes: it's not, at least at this point
14:17<scientes>chealer, well its in the works, i've see changes in prep for it already
14:18<Tohie>apt-get is also telling me gcc depends on itself
14:18<Tohie>gcc : Depends: gcc-4.4 (>= 4.4.5-1~) but it is not going to be installed
14:18<abrotman>Tohie: so what?
14:18<abrotman>Tohie: apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade in a pastebin
14:19<sney_>'gcc' is just a metapackage, the gcc-$VERSION packages are the real compilers.
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14:20<abrotman>though, i only have about 10 minutes before I vamoose
14:20<Tohie>abrotman: I have switched my repo's back to squeeze, sney_: I tried to install gcc-4.4 but it says the dependency binutils is unmet but it is installed
14:20<abrotman>Tohie: in reality, if the system wants to remove all of X, you can likely install it again after the dist-upgrade
14:21<abrotman>Tohie: switching back to squeeze now is pretty much impossible without a reinstlal
14:21<sney_>Tohie: you should really do full version upgrades outside of your desktop environment, as it will replace all of it and probably interrupt your upgrade
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14:22<Tohie>sney_: A full upgrade requires perl-base to break, which is the problem I am having it at the moment
14:23<anbe>looks like Tohie has an interesting update-stress-test setup ... do you still have the initial list of packages(+versions) so that one could try to investigate the problem by rebuilding the package set and file bugs appropriately?
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14:23<Tohie>I don't know how would I check
14:23<abrotman>it was caused, seemingly, by non-Debian packages
14:24<abrotman>Tohie: so you can't even upgrade apt/apttidue at this point ?
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14:25<Tohie>Nope apt-get refuses to work, aptitude drops me into fixing it manually be selecting to ignore upgrade or purge or the automatic dependency resolution which breaks perl
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14:25<pol>hi
14:25<Tohie>I believe the major problems are libqt4, python-apt, libgstreamer, gnome3-keyring, virtualbox, gcc and perl
14:26<sney_>the latter 3 can be removed
14:26<Tohie>As well as bin-utils
14:26<abrotman>libqt4 can be removed
14:26<abrotman>so can libgstreamer and gnome3-keyring and vbox
14:26<abrotman>you can install them later
14:26<abrotman>sney_: latter 3?
14:26<sney_>sorry, brain fart.
14:26<Tohie>libqt4, virtualbox and gcc are definately gone
14:27<abrotman>gcc is a metapackages
14:27<abrotman>gnome3-keyring and libgstreamer can be canned
14:27<abrotman>as opposed to caned
14:27<Tohie>What provides gnome3-keyring?
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14:28<sney_>Tohie: 'aptitude why'
14:28<abrotman>Tohie: in reality, in order to make this more fun, get out of X, shut it down, remove all traces .. then dist-upgrade :)
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14:29<Tohie>I am going to make a bootable usb for safety, then go at this and go with aptitude's solution of removing perl-base
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14:29<Tohie>Is there a way I can make a list of packages for other people to try and fix this in a virtualbox for a challenge?
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14:30<abrotman>Tohie: dpkg -l ... it will retain states and package versions
14:30<abrotman>though the liklihood of seomeone getitng a broken package list intentinonally installed seems slim :)
14:31<andrej>Hiya
14:31<Tohie>It seems like it would be somewhat fun to try and fix and it would probably be a good learning experience in virtualbox
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14:33<Tohie>Would you guys be interested if I put the results in a pastebin for you?
14:33*abrotman has to get going .. good luck
14:33<Tohie>It appears I have gcc-4.3, gcc 4.4 and gcc 4.7 installed
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14:39<Tohie>It appears spotify is not very liberal with what dependencies it allows it requires specific versions
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14:39<Tohie>I believe this is probably what broke my dependencies
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14:40<sney_>yeah, 3rd party repos, especially ones maintained by companies that don't contribute to or rely on upstream, or endorsed as being fine for "all apt/deb distros", are very prone to causing serious issues
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14:45<Tohie>It is in "alpha" stage so I probably shouldn't be too surprised
14:47<Tohie>Does the debian wiki have a set of best practices when it comes to third party repo's?
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15:31<broomZ>hi all, i got this thirdparty software installed, but i have to do "/etc/init.d/thesoft start" as root after every boot - i tried modprobe thesoft, but that doesn't work - how I add this to the boot?
15:32<towo`>modprobe is for kernel-modules
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15:32<towo`>update-rc.d thesoft defaults
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15:32<broomZ>yes i tried that
15:32<broomZ>it gives error
15:33<broomZ>first i made own script and tried to add that, but that gives the same error
15:33<broomZ>running the command as root after boot goes without errors obviously
15:33<sney_>are you going to share the error with the rest of the class or do we have to drive to your house and look at your screen
15:33<broomZ>:D
15:33<broomZ>i am grabbing my laptop
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15:35<broomZ>update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
15:35<broomZ>quite a few error lines above that
15:36<broomZ>main issue: starting thesoft depends on rmnologin and therefore on system facility `$all` which cannot be true!
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15:37<sney_>ok, so the initscript for your 3rd party software is not compatible with debian's init system... you should really talk to the people who distribute that software, as #debian can't accurately support 3rd party stuff
15:38<broomZ>ok
15:38<sney_>if you're feeling adventurous you can open the initscript itself and another one that you know works, and compare them and see if you can figure out what's wrong with yours
15:38<broomZ>also: there is a loop between service rmnologin and ifupdown-clean if started
15:39<broomZ>well i can do that or keep sudo the command after every boot
15:39<broomZ>because support from the 3rd party will take probably a substantial amount of time :)
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15:41<sney_>if you just want to run a command at boot you can put it in rc.local
15:42<sney_>!rc.local
15:42<dpkg>/etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>.
15:42<pparadis>or for an even "hackier" solution, you might use an @reboot line in your crontab.
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15:44<broomZ>ok ill take rc.local for the moment and write support and wait them to fix the issue for debian
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15:51<anbe>broomZ, http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts - eventually you could fix the dependencies yourself, maybe Required-Start: $all would be sufficient
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15:58<REalm>there's a package uploaded to delayed/5 queue today that I want to get. Is there a way to access what was uploaded?
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16:00<mazze>"dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-modules-dkms" does not seem to "find" any kernel and does not make the modules for "2.6.32-5-686-bigmem". It did before, when I was using "2.6.32-5-686". Why does it not build for "-bigmem"?
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16:01<pparadis>mazze: did you install the kernel headers for that kernel?
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16:02<REalm>nevermind. It was so new it didn't show up in deferred
16:02<pparadis>mazze: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-headers-2.6-686-bigmem
16:03<mazze>pparadis thank you very much, you hit it instantly ...
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16:03<pparadis>no proble
16:03<pparadis>m
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16:13<mazze>Q: Is it possible to run "Debian stable (sqzeeze)" on an AMD-APU-CPU (A6-3500 with Radeon HD Graphics) stably? Iceweasel always gets segmentation fault, as does glxinfo an the things (fglrx does not seem to support that "card")?
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16:53<sam_>Hello all
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16:54<Airwave>Does anyone know whether the "server_name" directive in Nginx includes port? Say a visitor comes in with "domain.com:8080".
16:54<Airwave>sam_: Hello.
16:54*xfire78xx sera :)
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16:56<Knorrie>Airwave: no, that has to be specified with the listen directive
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16:57<Airwave>Yeah, but the listen directive doesn't necessarily give the same port that the user is accessing with.
16:57<Airwave>Say the server is running on port 8080, but the router is forwarding port 80 to port 8080.
16:57<Airwave>Or in my case, the other way around.
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16:57<ompaul>Airwave: security though semi obscurity :)
16:57<Knorrie>in that case I think you cannot know the port the browser was connecting to
16:58<pparadis>Airwave: i'm confused. what are you trying to do?
16:58<Airwave>ompaul: Well this isn't a security thing, I'm just redirecting the old setup to the new one.
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16:59<Airwave>Well my old setup was like this: One HTTP server was on port 80, another was on port 8000.
16:59<Airwave>They were accessed like that as well.
16:59<Airwave>I'm trying to redirect visitors using the old scheme to the new on.
16:59<Airwave>one*
17:00<ompaul>and you allow people to touch 80 directly from the internets to the box
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17:00<pparadis>are you saying you had visitors hitting port 8000 directly before?
17:00<Airwave>I guess I can just run the server section that redirects the "old" users on a specific port which I can catch through the forwarding.
17:01<Airwave>pparadis: Yes. Note that the "visitors" were me and about five people I knew.
17:01<ompaul>Airwave: then email them - game over
17:01<pparadis>you can have nginx listen on more than one port and redirect users somewhere else. this seems like too much trouble to go to if you're talking about that few users.
17:01<pparadis>ompaul: nod
17:02<Airwave>Well it's not that much trouble.
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17:02<Airwave>It'll take maybe five minutes.
17:02<ompaul>Airwave: it is if you have to ask on irc how to do it :) run apache dead on the other port with a "Im gone you want to go here"
17:02<pparadis>teehee
17:03<pparadis>"this is not the site you're looking for, update yer bookmarks"
17:03<Airwave>ompaul: I'm having a good time configuring Nginx. I don't consider this time wasted.
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17:03<pparadis>well if it's for learning purposes, sure :)
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17:04<Airwave>By the way, pparadis, thanks for suggesting Nginx.
17:04<pparadis>sure thing
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17:04<Airwave>It's a dream.
17:05<Airwave>Apache is a nightmare.
17:05<pparadis>i use the heck out of nginx these days.
17:05<doubledutch>Nginx is ++
17:06<Airwave>I've noticed that the wiki sometimes gives examples on some pages that it explicitly recommends against on the pitfalls page.
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17:06<pparadis>Airwave: you'll catch stuff like that every now and again.
17:06<Airwave>Yeah.
17:06<pparadis>the thing you need to keep in mind with the pitfalls entries is that they aren't necessarily always "zomg you must or must not" guidelines.
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17:07<pparadis>Airwave: some of that confusion is the result of different things supported (or not) in different versions. if you're running nginx from the stable repos, you may wish to use the version in backports instead: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/nginx
17:08<pparadis>i use very few things from backports, but nginx is one of them, at least for some of my systems.
17:08*scientes runs nginx 1.1 and has had problems using stuff for more current versions
17:08<Airwave>pparadis: I'm on Wheezy.
17:08<pparadis>then you're already using that version :)
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17:09<pparadis>scientes: yeah, but the only real alternative is to compile it yourself, and that's usually a crappy proposition in terms of maintenance :)
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17:09<pparadis>i just try to avoid SNS syndrome and focus on getting things built with what i know works :)
17:10<scientes>pparadis, i actually am building it myself
17:10<scientes>for passenger
17:10<pparadis>hehe
17:10<pparadis>gotcha, makes sense for that.
17:10<scientes>passenger really should be part of the repos
17:10<pparadis>fix it!
17:11<scientes>maybe i'll package it and see if someone will sponsor it
17:11<scientes>nginx-passenger
17:11<pparadis>sure
17:11<scientes>esp now that we are dropping 1.8 after wheezy
17:11<pparadis>you using the bundled installer for that, the one that downloads/patches/compiles nginx for you?
17:11<scientes>)ruby 1.8)
17:11<scientes>pparadis, yep
17:12<Airwave>The amount of people trying to "hack" my Apache server never ceases to surprise me.
17:12<scientes>but its just a standard nginx module, so you can do it yourself
17:12<pparadis>hah, i've written a lot of docs explaining how to do that and integrate it with other stuff ;)
17:12<Airwave>[16/Jun/2012:23:08:37 +0200] "GET /vtigercrm/modules/com_vtiger_workflow/sortfieldsjson.php?module_name=../../../../../../../..//etc/amportal.conf%00 HTTP/1.1" 401 401
17:12<Airwave>Wacky stuff.
17:12<pparadis>Airwave: you should start grepping for cpanel exploits. it's hilarious.
17:12<scientes>; DROP TABLE students
17:12<pparadis>bobby tables! :D
17:12<Airwave>scientes: Hahaha
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17:13<scientes>pparadis, i have a server with cpanel
17:13<scientes>total hell
17:13<Airwave>pparadis: The ones I get the most of our phpMyAdmin things.
17:13<Airwave>Jokes on them though; I don't even have phpMyAdmin on that server.
17:13<pparadis>scientes: exit 1 if $cpanel;
17:13<Airwave>Joke's*
17:14<Airwave>Wait a sec...
17:14<Airwave>This worries me a bit.
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17:14<Airwave>That last access I posted was from "10.0.1.1", my router...
17:14<Airwave>Why would that happen?
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17:14<pparadis>Airwave: probably because of NAT
17:14<scientes>Airwave, that means its from your computer behind the router
17:14<scientes>b/c NAT
17:15<Airwave>Yeah, but other accesses from remote IP addresses show up as that in the access log.
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17:15<Airwave>"That" meaning the remote IP address.
17:15<scientes>Airwave, yeah but your address is not publically routable, its 192.168.*
17:15<scientes>oh wait
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17:15<scientes>thats a non-routable address there
17:15<pparadis>well, it's still RFC non-routable, yeah
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17:15<Airwave>Well my home network is on 10.0.1.0/24.
17:15<scientes>maybe your network isn't setup right
17:15<scientes>or maybe you dont have public/private DNS setup
17:16<pparadis>or perhaps you've been configuring things to do redirects and whatnot and are getting "interesting" results now.
17:16<pparadis>results from your internal testing.
17:16<Airwave>But I haven't configured anything to do redirects yet.
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17:17<pparadis>Airwave: you might want to tail your access logs then and perhaps pastebin it and flip over to #debian-offtopic to see if anyone sees anything odd.
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17:18<Airwave>I'll do that.
17:18<scientes>pparadis, that nginx setup actually caused us alot of problem, cause when passenger crashed, it would start up /usr/bin/nginx, instead of /opt/nginx/sbin/nginx
17:18<scientes>and therefore the server wouldn't restart itsself
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17:18<pparadis>Airwave: one thing i'll note is that if the only thing you "need" from testing is newer nginx, you may wish to consider running stable and just getting nginx from backports.
17:19<pparadis>Airwave: it should be noted that testing is not guaranteed to get timely security updates.
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17:19<scientes>well testing is almost frozen
17:19<pparadis>sure, but until that sucker flips to stable, same deal :)
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17:19<Airwave>I know. Stable wouldn't boot after installing though, and I figured that since testing is close to freeze anything, I'd just go with that.
17:19<Airwave>s/anything/anyway/
17:20<scientes>yeah for new development you should go with testing IMHO
17:20<pparadis>nod, just throwing it out there.
17:20<pparadis>scientes: that really depends on whether you're talking about production or dev/test environments for many, many things.
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17:32<Airwave>So I have a web server right now that is running MediaWiki 1.18. I want to move said wiki to my Debian server, but the MediaWiki in Debian repositories is only 1.15. What is the recommended course of action in such a situation?
17:33<streuner__>judd, versions MediaWiki
17:33<judd>No package named 'MediaWiki' was found in i386.
17:33<Airwave>judd, versions mediawiki
17:33<judd>Package: mediawiki on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.12.0-2lenny9; lenny-security: 1:1.12.0-2lenny9; lenny-backports: 1:1.15.5-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 1:1.15.5-2squeeze2; squeeze: 1:1.15.5-2squeeze4; sid: 1:1.15.5-10; wheezy: 1:1.15.5-10; experimental: 1:1.19.0-1
17:34<pparadis>if the differences are minor enough, it may simply work. you might want to read through the release notes for 1.18 for extra tips.
17:34<streuner__>Airwave: if you are insane enough, you can run expeimental
17:34<pparadis>oh fuck that :)
17:34<streuner__>true
17:35<Airwave>I tried moving it over earlier this week, despite the lower version number. I did not have much luck.
17:35<pparadis>maybe something to post to their forums about.
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17:35<pparadis>surely somebody else has done something similar.
17:35<Airwave>Maybe I'll just get the .deb from experimental.
17:35<pparadis>do _not_ install debs from experimental on testing or stable.
17:36<pparadis>you are going to break things.
17:36<streuner__>keep in mind, you are only able to use experimental if you using sid...
17:36<Airwave>What is the recommended way of getting a newer version of MediaWiki on testing then?
17:36<Airwave>Installing manually?
17:36<pparadis>manual install is better than what you just said :)
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17:36<streuner__>and, keep in mind, DDs say, experimental is just a playground...
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17:37<pparadis>a playground where half the kids are carrying high explosives.
17:37<ompaul>Airwave: testing is not stable so putting anything on it and running it and depending on it can and will lead to some insane problems
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17:37<Airwave>got it.
17:37<Airwave>Got*
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17:39<Airwave>Thanks guys.
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17:41<Airwave>With a BIND 9 zonefile, do I point CNAMEs at FQDN, or just the name of the subdomain?
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17:43<Airwave>Say I'm editing the zonefile for "domain.com", and I have "mail 10800 IN A 1.1.1.1", and I want "smtp.domain.com" to be a CNAME pointing to "mail.domain.com". Is it OK to just do "smtp 10800 IN CNAME mail", or do I need to do "smtp 10800 IN CNAME mail.domain.com."?
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17:47<heikkila>Airwave, it's not necessary with fqdn for cname, but for smtp you may want a mx-record
17:47<Airwave>After some looking around the former is apparently fine.
17:47<heikkila>what is 10800?
17:48<Airwave>heikkila: Ok.
17:48<Airwave>TTL.
17:48<Airwave>Time-to-live.
17:48<heikkila>It should be in the header of the zone-file
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17:49<heikkila>In the SOA-record
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17:50<Airwave>heikkila: I'm using Gandi.net's interface, and apparently this is how they do it.
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17:50<Airwave>I could switch to "expert mode" and change it though.
17:50<heikkila>ok
17:50<Airwave>Is there a very good reason to do so?
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17:57<heikkila>Oh, it should be before the SOA, not in it. I don't see ttl elsewhere in this example here: http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9
17:58<pparadis>Airwave: CNAMEs are heavily abused, and are nearly never what you should use for a record.
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17:59<Airwave>pparadis: Doesn't it save me from having to change all the records when just one IP address has changed?
17:59<pparadis>let's start by understand what a CNAME is --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNAME_record
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18:00<Airwave>I know what a CNAME is.
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18:02<pparadis>Airwave: are you sure you don't want a wildcard record?
18:03<Airwave>pparadis: A wildcard record might be better. I was not aware of that kind of record.
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18:05<pparadis>Airwave: from the page i linked a minute ago: "When a DNS resolver encounters a CNAME record while looking for a regular resource record, it will restart the query using the canonical name instead of the original name."
18:06<Airwave>I know that.
18:07<pparadis>this produces additional DNS traffic, when the query could have been satisfied from start with either a specific A record, or a wildcard. CNAMEs are best used to defer handling of a DNS query to another system that is actually responsible for the target.
18:07<Airwave>I know that CNAMEs are somewhat controversial.
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18:09<pparadis>Airwave: see also the "Restrictions" section on the linked page. i truly think specifying A records and/or a wildcard is the best route :)
18:09<Airwave>A wildcard record is probably better for this purpose though, I think you're right about that.
18:10<Airwave>Will "* 10800 IN A 94.246.37.45" work?, or do I need to put something after the wildcard character?
18:10<Airwave>Well, shit. Please ignore that IP address...
18:10<Airwave>You did not just see that.
18:10<Airwave>Oh well.
18:10<pparadis>Airwave: it's okay to cite actual IP addresses. it makes troubleshooting easier, and in fact is not a security issue.
18:10<petemc>if you think you need to keep your ip address a secret, you're doing it wrong
18:11<pparadis>that ^
18:11<Airwave>Well of course.
18:11<Airwave>I guess that's true.
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18:12<drhouse123>Hi! when I use live-build I get that error: http://pastebin.com/u1PTuauG
18:12<pparadis>Airwave: the record you cited above appears to be correctly formatted, yes.
18:12<drhouse123>Unable to locate package auto
18:12<Airwave>Thanks.
18:13<pparadis>Airwave: forgive me for missing it in scrollback, but are you running your own nameservers or using third party nameservers?
18:13<Airwave>Third party.
18:13<drhouse123>I use that lb config http://pastebin.com/tYmMicZC
18:14<drhouse123>What I do wrong ?
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18:15<scientes>--linux-flavours "amd6" \
18:15<scientes>amd64
18:15<scientes>not even sure if that flag exists, but anyways, typo found
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18:16<Airwave>pparadis: Gandi.net's DNS, to be specific.
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18:16<pparadis>scientes: surely that just means K6 :D /me ducks
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18:16<pparadis>Airwave: nod, was just curious.
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18:16<scientes>pparadis, i had a k6 once
18:16<drhouse123>scientes: there's something wrong else?
18:18<pparadis>scientes: i once built a functional K6 workstation in a crystal springs box using frankenparts from a devry student's bin-o-crap, in a hotel room while exceedingly drunk on a large quantity of midori. oh, to be young again.
18:18<pparadis>drhouse123: did you correct the typo that scientes noted?
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18:19<pparadis>scientes: also, i installed mandrake on it, but i was drunk after all and my buddy didn't have debian media.
18:19<drhouse123>pparadis: yes I did it, I build it again by sudo lb build noauto "${@}" 2>&1 | tee build.log
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18:19<pparadis>drhouse123: are you experiencing any further difficulties?
18:20<drhouse123>Oops! there's agian that weird 'Unable to locate package auto'
18:21<pparadis>drhouse123: there is no package named "auto" in the repositories.
18:21<drhouse123>I read before it http://live.debian.net/manual/html/live-manual.en.html but anyway something wrong
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18:22<drhouse123>pparadis: but I did not specify a package 'auto'
18:23<Marillion>drhouse123: you can try to ask in #debian-live for more information
18:23<drhouse123>Marillion: thanks
18:23<Marillion>you're welcome
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18:26<user01>is there a package for converting xml to csv?
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18:29<user01>ah maybe xml2 is it
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18:30<Marillion>user01: apt-cache search is your friend ;)
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18:31<kusanagi>can anybody explain me why qps package does not show up when i look for it via apt? --> http://paste.debian.net/174899/
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18:35<user01>well that sucks, alt-tab just stopped working . . .
18:36<Knorrie>does anyone know why samba in squeeze does not have the 'net' command anywhere
18:36<Knorrie>in the past i could do net ads join etc
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18:36<Knorrie>but there's no net anymore anywhere in the samba or winbind packages
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18:37<Marillion>user01: you can pipe as in apt-cache ...| less
18:37<Marillion>user01: if you mean that?! :)
18:38<user01>Marillion, nope, i mean in gnome i cant switch my windows with alt-tab for some reason
18:39<Marillion>user01: my gnome on stable do that ;)
18:40<user01>Marillion, mine is stable too :P
18:40<Marillion>yeah
18:41<user01>Marillion, if I have multiple desktops, windows will mysteriously move from one desktop to another too
18:41<Marillion>user01: for terminal apps, you would like "screen"
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18:41<pparadis>user01: do you have a "net3" command?
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18:42<pparadis>sorry, Knorrie rather ^
18:42<Knorrie>no
18:42<gsimmons>kusanagi: qps was removed from Debian after the release of squeeze, see bug #673487.
18:42<Knorrie>but I think I need the samba-common-bin package, just found a hint somewhere
18:42<Knorrie>http://samba.2283325.n4.nabble.com/Samba-packages-for-debian-squeeze-td2418658.html
18:43<user01>Marillion, let me restart gnome, brb
18:43<Knorrie>right
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18:43<Knorrie>samba-common-bin is a recommends, and I do not install recommends by default
18:43<Knorrie>bwuh :o)
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18:44<kusanagi>gsimmons, but i can see here is in sid http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/qps
18:45<kusanagi>isnt it? also http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qps/
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18:45<kusanagi>heres a link to the package from the sources i use
18:46<Marillion>Knorrie: squeeze apt, and aptitude install recommonds automatically
18:46<pparadis>kusanagi: here's what i get --> http://paste.debian.net/174902/
18:46<Marillion>Knorrie: unless you disabled it
18:46<drhouse123>Marillion: --initramfs auto in lb config was wrong I clear it and all continued without complaining about auto :)
18:46<Marillion>drhouse123: great
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18:47<pparadis>kusanagi: sorry, i just read the scrollback again and noted you're using wheezy.
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18:48<pparadis>Marillion: you can change the apt preferences to tell it not to install recommends or suggests. i presume he did that.
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18:48<Marillion>Knorrie: recommends *even*
18:48<Marillion>pparadis: Sat 22:46:36] < Marillion> | Knorrie: unless you disabled it
18:48<pparadis>must have :)
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18:52<Knorrie>yes I disabled that myself
18:52<Knorrie>I hate too much cruft on systems
18:53<Marillion>Knorrie: it is not recommends disabled per apt preferences, do it per option
18:54<Marillion>--without-recommends is the option
18:55<Knorrie>why, I almost never need those extra packages
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18:55<Knorrie>it's a matter of taste
18:55<Marillion>*never* ? why you asking about?
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18:56<pparadis>Knorrie: it's up to you, but many people do prefer to use what Marillion just suggested. you can also use --without-suggests
18:56<pparadis>whatever works for you.
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18:58<scientes>--no-install-suggests
18:59<Knorrie>pparadis: not installing recommends by default works for me :)
18:59<scientes>well its something package maintainers must do right
18:59<scientes>there is suggests and recommends, and recommends are installed by default
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19:01<pparadis>scientes: well noted on "--no-install-suggests", i didn't remember the option right.
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19:01<scientes>actually its --no-install-recommends
19:01<pparadis>scientes: rather, --no-install-recommends
19:01<pparadis>haha
19:01<scientes>suggests are not on by default
19:01<pparadis>right, and "--no-install-suggests" isn't a valid option.
19:01<scientes>yes it is
19:02<pparadis>E: Command line option --no-install-suggests is not understood
19:02<scientes>hmm
19:02<scientes>i've used --install-suggests
19:02<pparadis>incidentally, --without-recommends isn't valid either.
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19:03<scientes>pparadis, that cause you are using aptitude, and not apt-get
19:03<pparadis>yep
19:03<pparadis>i just hit aptitude for it, and it's there.
19:03<pparadis>so here we have another nifty case of some options being duplicated but not others :)
19:03<Marillion>aptitude has different options
19:04<Marillion>to apt
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19:04<scientes>i only use aptitude when i need the fancy selection stuff
19:04<pparadis>oh of course, it's just that there is some overlap, which can lead to confusion.
19:04<scientes>or the gui
19:04<scientes>also aptitude is kinda buggy wth multiarch
19:04<scientes>or at least, i've experienced bugginess in it with multiarch
19:04<pparadis>i'm really still using apt-get just out of long-formed habit for my stuff.
19:05<Marillion>scientes: that is the reason why then apt is default :)
19:05<Marillion>on wheezy
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19:06<Marillion>when i remember correctly
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19:14<Marillion>pparadis: aptitude has a nice option "changelog" that i missing by apt-cache
19:14<scientes>Marillion, there is a dpkg cache too
19:14<scientes>oh, that
19:14<scientes>that never works for me
19:15<scientes>it always returns an error, maybe its cause im using apt-cacher-ng
19:16<Marillion>scientes: aptitude changelog <packagename> works on official repos
19:16<pparadis>Marillion: nod
19:16<Marillion>yes
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19:16<user01>i cant figure out what this usage thing means . . . usage: 2csv record field [field ...] < in > csv
19:17<pparadis>Marillion: that was "i nod my head in agreement" btw
19:17<Marillion>ah ok
19:18<user01>i tried just: 2csv infile outfile.csv but it doesnt seem to work . . . frozen. . . or still calculating something after 10 min
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19:18<Marillion>on backports.debian.org has always changlog files, this sometimes pitty
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19:30<vadim>hi all, got strange issue with epiphany. Choose destination of download, but when I download a file it doesn't appear there, for the second time - the same, but for the third time it appears. Did anyone see such issue before? How to fix it?
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19:34<Marillion>vadim: which version use you to do?
19:35<vadim>Marillion: latest stable - 2.30.6
19:35*Marillion using epiphany on stable, it works always
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19:36<Marillion>vadim: i'm afraid can not help in this time
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19:54<vadim>hi all, got strange issue with epiphany. Choose destination of download, but when I download a file it doesn't appear there, for the second time - the same, but for the third time it appears. Did anyone see such issue before? How to fix it?
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19:55<pparadis>vadim: are you downloading large files? if so, is it downloading the file to a temporary directory first and then moving it to the selected download location when the download actually completes?
19:56<pparadis>(i'm just guessing here, i don't use epiphany)
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19:56<vadim>pparadis: 25-30 megs. I didn't check tmp dir
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19:57<vadim>pparadis: but it can do so, I think
19:57<pparadis>vadim: i'd try downloading a file you know you haven't downloaded before, waiting until you know the download should have completed, and checking for the file. alternately, you could try downloading a couple of very small files that will go very quickly as a test.
19:58<vadim>ok, I'll do it right now
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20:06<vadim>pparadis: well, one file was downloaded ok, but I can't download the second - the download is stuck in the beginning - downloads 1 MB and then stops
20:08<pparadis>vadim: sounds like a network issue between you and the server you're downloading from. you might try opening a terminal and attempting to download the file using wget to see if it works there.
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20:09<vadim>pparadis: if I wait it begins. the second file is downloaded ok as well, will try to reproduce for the last time
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20:29<birch_>Hello. I'm using debian squeeze and I don't have sound over hdmi on a fresh install. First i followed these instructions http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/hdmi-audio-doesnt-work-debian-squeeze-intel-hdmi-903870/ to no avail. Then I tried this http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and now my graphics look awful and there's still no sound. Any suggestions? Thanks!
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20:40<flaccid>is the debian-live-6.0.4-amd64-standard.iso with a desktop or no? just trying to get the most minimal 'live' image without desktop if posible
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20:42<abdo>what is the beinfits of debian
20:42<flaccid>oh it has a list, i see
20:43<flaccid>how long is a piece of string?
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20:53<nikki>hello
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21:06<AlexLikeRock>http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/649219
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21:32<birch_>what is the acceptable way to post a picture into the chatroom? thanks
21:33<homercycles>I just upgraded Debian (there were around 100 pending updates, hadn't done it in a while) and now iceweasel won't start, it says: Error: Platform version '10.0.5' is not compatible with minVersion >= 10.0.2 maxVersion <= 10.0.2
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21:40<birch_>hello. i'm running debian squeeze 64bit and i have no sound from hdmi. here is what my alsamixer looks like. any ideas? thanks. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/alsamixeru.png/
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21:44<birch_>my alsa info is located here http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=6122c20f22ee9429f40cf6a337f018c3f2ed8c87
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21:47<pparadis>birch_: it may not help, but this looks potentially relevant --> http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/2310/hdmi-ati-hda-sound-how-i-got-hdmi-sound-working-in/
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21:53<birch_>pparadis, thanks for the link. I've already tried the .asoundrc method and it hasn't worked. also, the alsamixer -c 1 doesn't get me unmuted. I get built in audio just fine though. Should I try purging pulse or is that not likely to be the cause?
21:53<pparadis>birch_: i'm truly not the best guy to ask about proceeding from here, as i hardly touch debian on the desktop (i'm really a server guy) :)
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22:13<birch_>pparadis, ok thanks anyway
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22:41<Techy2493>Hi
22:41<AlexLikeRock>hi
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22:43<Techy2493>Hey I was wondering if anyone could tell me what happens to the isntall of debian if I install Xen, does it become guestos0, does it lie under xen, or what happens?
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22:45<pparadis>Techy2493: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
22:45<Techy2493>Thans
22:45<AlexLikeRock>the page it's death
22:45<AlexLikeRock>some one more ???
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22:47<flaccid>huh. yes debian works as a xen guest.
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22:48<flaccid>i'm building ec2 images atm :)
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22:48<pparadis>flaccid: he was really asking about dom0, not the guest side.
22:48<pparadis>where guest == domu
22:49<flaccid>glad you were able to decipher that
22:50<pparadis>it can be a challenge at times :)
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22:52<Airwave>I have a web server (Apache) running on one computer, and Nginx running on another. I want all web requests to go through the Nginx server. From what I understand, I can use proxy_pass to do this. How do I make that work with HTTPS/SSL?
22:53<pparadis>Airwave: the same way you would with HTTP.
22:54<kingsley>Airwave: I don't know, but it looks like YAGRP (Yet Another Google Research Project) to me.
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22:54<pparadis>Ariannah: i assume you intend to do this: "https request --> nginx --> apache". is that correct?
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22:54<pparadis>durp
22:54<pparadis>Airwave: rather ^
22:55<Airwave>Kind of.
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22:55<Airwave>But unless I'm thinking about this all wrong, the communication between Nginx and Apache won't be over SSL.
22:55<pparadis>Airwave: it can be.
22:56<Airwave>I guess it can.
22:56<flaccid>nginx has docs
22:57<Airwave>I know that. I've been reading them a lot since yesterday evening.
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22:58<flaccid>you may like to look at stunnel if you really want to encrypt after terminating the tls
22:59<Airwave>I'll take a look at it, thanks.
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22:59<pparadis>of course, if you control the backend network that the servers are sitting on, it may not even make sense to add the overhead of encryption between the nginx front end and the back end servers.
22:59<Techy2493>I've got another problem i've been sitting on for a bit now, maybe you guys can suggest something? I'm trying to limit a process to only being able to find a single ip. Not just use it but being able to see it. I've got a program that wasn't designed for ip binding but sends it's ip to a connection list. I'm afraid its going to grab an ip which I don't have forwarded for security reasons...
22:59<Techy2493>Is this even possible? I've done searching on google have found alot of information on ip routing, but nothing on hiding my other ip's from the program.
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23:01<pparadis>Techy2493: either a program has permission to bind to an IP/port combo or it doesn't, and that's not generally granular on a per-combo basis. you probably need to control this in your program, or if possible run it in a VM and use ebtables/iptables on the host side to control what that VMs NIC is allowed to do network-wise.
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23:02<Techy2493>Alright, thats why I was thinking about using Xen, but it seemed like a sort of extravagant solution, if it will even work.
23:02<pparadis>it would seem more sensible to modify the program to behave correctly.
23:03<Techy2493>Unfortunately it's a closed source project, I would prefer changing the source..
23:03<pparadis>in that case, you probably would be safer running it in a VM and controlling its network access from the host side with ebtables/iptables. sounds like a wacky program.
23:04<pparadis>incidentally, i greatly prefer KVM over Xen.
23:04<Techy2493>KVM? I'll look into it thanks.
23:04<pparadis>you may want to investigate KVM.
23:04<pparadis>np
23:05<Techy2493>I guess using VM's just increases security across my system uses anyways... Thanks again for all the help, unfortunately I might be back..
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23:06<Techy2493>Well, hopefully sometime I will be back but knowledgeable enough to help.. Unfortuantley I might be back with more questions lol.
23:06<pparadis>Techy2493: we all learn.
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23:22<franzel>can someone plz help….I keep getting errors with my debian machine. It all started with apache server not working, now I can't get back on debian
23:22<franzel>last line is can't access tty; job control turned off
23:23<franzel>lots of mounting errors like root directory
23:23<franzel>last line is (initramfs)
23:24<pparadis>franzel: what sort of machine is this? is it a physical machine, a VPS, what?
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23:24<franzel>physical machine
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23:25<franzel>getting stuff like failed command: read dam ext
23:26<pparadis>franzel: have you tried booting with rescue media and fscking your filesystems?
23:26<franzel>no i have not
23:26<pparadis>that may be a good idea.
23:26<franzel>I didn't create a rescue media
23:26<pparadis>you can just go grab finnix or whatever and throw it on a CD or USB stick.
23:27<franzel>there is a recovery mode option
23:27<pparadis>or even use a debian install cd
23:27<pparadis>given what you're seeing, i wouldn't boot that OS in any fashion in its present condition.
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23:27<pparadis>also, if you don't have reliable backups of the stuff on that server, you might want to think about that next.
23:28<franzel>ok…let me find the install cd
23:28<pparadis>(if it's possible at this stage)
23:28<pparadis>franzel: it's really worth keeping a copy of finnix laying around for this purpose, btw.
23:28<franzel>ok
23:29<franzel>got the cd in…how to do you go about fscking my filesystem
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23:30<pparadis>franzel: that's really not what i would use. would it be too much trouble to throw finnix on CD?
23:31<franzel>no…let me download finnix
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23:32<Airwave>Hmm. "port-share" is really taxing on my poor router's CPU.
23:33<pparadis>Airwave: when i drink too much port, i sure do feel pretty taxed too.
23:33<Airwave>Harr harr.
23:34<Airwave>Yowza. This is taxing on my poor server's CPU as well.
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23:36<franzel>pparadis: downloading now…and will burn iso to cd
23:37<pparadis>franzel: sure thing
23:37<franzel>got about 3 more min for download
23:37<pparadis>franzel: so what were the initial symptoms that something was going wrong with this server?
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23:37<franzel>was ftp from another computer in the house
23:37<franzel>then ftp server started acting up
23:38<franzel>then web server stopped working
23:38<franzel>then rebooted and notice a long time to load os
23:38<franzel>no can't get into os at all
23:39<franzel>sorry, meant to say that …now I can't get into the os at all
23:39<franzel>hope that it's not my hd that is causing all of this
23:39<pparadis>provided the fsck comes back clean, you're probably going to want to poke around /var/log
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23:40<franzel>i guess that will let me know the culprit
23:40<pparadis>possibly
23:41<franzel>pparadis: just downloaded iso
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23:41<franzel>when I opened iso….got fin nix and isolinux folder
23:41<franzel>which one should I burn to the cd
23:41<pparadis>you don't open the iso.
23:42<pparadis>you burn the ISO to a CD.
23:42<Airwave>It's getting way too late. I'm heading off to bed guys.
23:42<Airwave>Good night.
23:42<pparadis>\o
23:42<franzel>ok…let me burn iso to cd
23:42<Airwave>franzel: Make sure that you don't just put the .iso file on the CD.
23:42<pparadis>franzel: you need to use the "burn CD image to disc" functionality of whatever burning software you're using.
23:44<franzel>ok…will do it
23:44<franzel>using disk utility on osx
23:45<Airwave>Disk Utility can do that, yes. Just hit the "burn" button in the toolbar, and you'll be able to select the .iso file.
23:45<Airwave>Anyway, bedtime.
23:45<Airwave>Good night.
23:46<franzel> thanks Airwave
23:46<Airwave>No problem.
23:48<franzel>don' drink to much port Airwave
23:49<franzel>lol...goodnight
23:49<Airwave>Harr harr.
23:50<franzel>pparadis: booting dvd now
23:51<franzel>should I just do a standard boot fin nix 64 bit?
23:51<pparadis>sure
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23:52<Airwave>God damn it again. I left my Coke in the freezer so it would be nice and cold, but I forget about it and it froze. Then I left it in hot water so that it would warm up a little and be drinkable again. Naturally, I forgot about that as well and it was very warm when I remembered.
23:52<pparadis>Airwave: you have disastrous luck with this :)
23:52<franzel>lol...
23:52<Airwave>Why can't I just be happy with Coke at fridge temperature?
23:53<franzel>nothing better than a drink that is just barely above freezing temop
23:53<franzel>temp
23:53<Airwave>pparadis: I sure do. I think I can count the times when this plan has actually worked out on one hand.
23:53<pparadis>Airwave: or turn down your fridge temp a tad ;)
23:53<Airwave>franzel: I know. That is the unattainable goal for me, apparently.
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23:53<franzel>pparadis: now booted as rood
23:53<Airwave>pparadis: That's what a smart person would do. I an not that person.
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23:54<Airwave>I put the coke back in the fridge. Hopefully it will be drinkable tomorrow morning. Good night everyone.
23:54<pparadis>franzel: finnix is a live recovery environment. you should be able to "fsck -f /dev/sda1" or whatever from there. it would be best to make sure it didn't automount whatever you're going to fsck first, though.
23:55<pparadis>you can see what's mounted with the "mount" command, of course.
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23:58<franzel>running the fsck command for sda1
23:58<franzel>not sure how it was mounted…used to diskutil list, but that didn't work
23:59<franzel>Inode 7749783 has illegal blocks Cleary y?
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