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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-06-18

---Logopened Mon Jun 18 00:00:28 2012
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00:20<reklipz>I just did some reading about DebConf12 -- looks neat.
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02:26<waldo22>I'm having trouble upgrading from squeeze to wheezy; fails trying to configure acpi
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02:27<waldo22>anyone encountered this before?
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02:28<waldo22>"invoke-rc.d: initscript acpid, action 'start' failed"
02:28<devil>waldo22: even though i have to leave, best put the complete output of apt in a pastebin and maybe take it to #debian-next
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02:29<waldo22>thanks devil will do
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03:47<afuentes>whats the /etc/init folder for?
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04:02<mashku>Hi, I have a problem with connecting to VPN
04:02<mashku>I would be very grateful for help
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04:04<afuentes>how much is very grateful? would you be willing to toss some coins to some project?
04:04<mashku>afuentes, I am looking for a nice guy altruist ;)
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04:05<afuentes>so you are very grateful but not much
04:05<afuentes>let say you would be medium/low grateful
04:06<afuentes>anyway, just shoot
04:06<mashku>I am using networkmanager to connect to vpn let me pastebin error from log
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04:09<mashku>afuentes, http://paste.debian.net/175048/
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04:09<mashku>afuentes, earlier it was complaining that I have to install ifupdown package, so I did, now it's still not working and says something about configuration files, which I have no idea about
04:10<mashku>afuentes, on other laptop it worked out of box
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04:13<mashk_laptop>afuentes, here vpn works.. I will try another laptop, so if you come up with a solution please replay on this nick
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04:15<afuentes>mashk_laptop, not sure i can figure it out whats wrong with your vpn
04:15<afuentes>i would try to launch the vpn manually with a more verbose output
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04:18<mashk_laptop>afuentes, can I somehow do that with config entered in network-manager?
04:18<afuentes>mashk_laptop, not that im aware of...
04:19<afuentes>mashk_laptop, try to erase your current conf in network manager and recreate it, just in case
04:20<afuentes>its not able to configure tun0: SCPlugin-Ifupdown: device added (path: /sys/devices/virtual/net/tun0, iface: tun0): no ifupdown configuration found.
04:22<mashk_laptop>ok
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06:07*e-jit sees many #debian* channels on this server
06:07<e-jit>Any hints as to the right channel for: when I log out on the console, it clears screen. I used to do that *and display a fortune* but this is now suppressed - what's doing the clearing and how can I regain control of this ?
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06:10<ompaul>e-jit: the clear in the term is a security fix, so that last commands can't be seen when you log out. How to regain "control" you didn't have it, but you could look in the conf file for the term you know /etc/profile and bashrc stuff, and if that fails recompile it out
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06:11<ompaul>abrotman: got a moment?
06:11<e-jit>I understand the security issue it fixes - that's why I used to do the same, but it's nice to show a fortune after clearing.
06:11<e-jit>I looked in /etc/profile and bash.bashrc, but nothing there was visibly doing anything related to this.
06:12<ompaul> vi ~/.bash_logout and did you look there
06:14<e-jit>My ~/.bash_logout is where I do the clear-and-fortune that's now being ignored because logging out clears anyway.
06:14<e-jit>I should point out this was a change on upgrade from stable to testing recently.
06:15<e-jit>So presumably it's a change in some package; but was it in bash, in getty, in login or something else ?
06:15<ompaul>well then you have ideas of your own - have a look in there
06:15<ompaul>;-)
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06:17<ompaul>e-jit: I strongly suggest you look in .bash_logout
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06:19*e-jit has already looked in ~/.bash_logout when explaining it's what does the clean-and-fortune, to check it really does only that.
06:20*e-jit finds nothing in /usr/share/doc/bash/CHANGES.gz and no /usr/share/{*getty,logout}
06:21<mussie_>Hello all I am having a problem with apache + samba: I am trying to have my www-root on a different server and share it. in the config I put in "/smb:/172.16.157.129/allusers/www/" --- I then get 404, I realized that I am looking for it in my own root folder. But how do I fix this?
06:23*e-jit wonders whether simply removing the leading / would work; put in smb://172.16.etc. and see if that works.
06:23*e-jit knows nothing about samba, though.
06:24<mussie_>i tried that and it then goes to /etc/apache2/smbxxxxxx
06:25<e-jit>I would suppose that mounting the samba share, so that it actually exists, e.g. as /mnt/smb/www/, would be the logical approach.
06:25<e-jit>Apache presumably expects www-root to be a directory mounted on the local system.
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06:25<juan>ola
06:25<juan>ola
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06:25<mussie_>ola, and I am going to try that, ty e-jit
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06:26<e-jit>Good luck ;-)
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06:33*e-jit recently changed /etc/hosts.{allow,deny}
06:33<e-jit>Is there a server that needs restarted after a change to /etc/hosts.{allow,deny}, for it to take effect ? I'm not seeing the effects of changes.
06:33<movl>e-jit: no
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06:34<juan>ola
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06:36<e-jit>movl: any guesses at what might cause my changes to not take effect ?
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06:36<e-jit>If I comment out all my changes, things that used to work still don't :-(
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06:37<movl>e-jit: please be more specific as to what you are trying to do
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06:39<e-jit>OK. I've long had personal ssh config to provide a tunnel back to my home box from my public web-site box when I log in there, so that I can use CVS from there to update from the git-cvs-server on my home box. I recently made /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} more paranoid, after which that tunnel stopped working - but when I commented out my changes, it stayed broken :-(
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06:39<ompaul>e-jit: here is the contents of a sid boxes .bash_logout http://paste.debian.net/175061/ if you are running testing and it's not the same then I wonder if you are running testing
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06:40<e-jit>My ssh config says: RemoteForward 2402 localhost:2401
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06:40<e-jit>ompaul: in which directory is this .bash_logout ? Surely an upgrade isn't going to frob each user's ~/.bash_logout !
06:40<ompaul>well now
06:40<ompaul>it's where it is on my box
06:42<e-jit>Then I think that just means you've simply implemented the security fix yourself, much as I did, only with fortune prettification after. My problem here is that the shell - or something - appears to be doing this for me (without support for prettification). I conjecture that you can comment out that part of your .bash_logout and it'll still clear on logout.
06:43<ompaul> There is no system wide bash_logout, according to the bash man page
06:43<ompaul>no, it's not something I looked for, I don't use .bash_logout for anything on boxes, never did
06:43<e-jit>This, indeed, I had noticed, which is why I'm at a loss to work out what's kicking in after my .bash_logout has run.
06:44<e-jit>Then it may well be something that the default new-user .bash_logout does.
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06:44<ompaul>e-jit: some form of grep clear .*
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06:44<e-jit>Test for me: comment that bit out and see if you get a clear console when you log out.
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06:46<e-jit>Yes, I can find / -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep clear, but that's going to get lots of spurious matches and a vast amount of cruft, so it'll take ages to pin down which particular file containing the word clear is doing this; and it's all too possible it's actually being done by a binary, e.g. the getty.
06:47<e-jit>Back to movl: I now get told, when I ssh to the remote box and run cvs up:
06:47<e-jit>connect_to localhost port 2401: failed.
06:47<e-jit>cvs [update aborted]: recv() from server localhost: EOF
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06:48<e-jit>This remains true even if I move aside /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} or comment out my changes to them.
06:48<movl>e-jit: whenever I altered said files, changes took place in a whim, no need to restart :o
06:49<e-jit>OTOH, in the interval between last successful cvs up and first failure, I did upgrade from stable to testing, so it's possible I'm just trying to fix the wrong thing !
06:49<e-jit>OK, so perhaps I'm chasing a wild goose and something else is the problem.
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06:51*e-jit already discovered (and fixed) over-writing of /etc/inetd.conf, which had broken the git-cvs-server config.
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06:52<movl>:)
06:52<ompaul>e-jit: ok point to you bash is disrespecting the logout file
06:53<Jorge>i'm spanish
06:53*e-jit loves etckeeper; having changes to /etc/ tracked in git makes it a lot easier to catch breakage ...
06:53<ompaul>e-jit: you may now file a bug :)
06:54<e-jit>ompaul: no, I think bash is actually running my .bash_logout - I see a fortune flash up briefly before being cleared. Something, quite possibly not bash, is imposing clear consoles, for a legitimate security reason (many users lack this logout config).
06:54*e-jit just wants some control over that.
06:55<e-jit>Most likely it's *not* bash, since it'd be a dumb security fix if it needed to be made in every shell, instead of once in the log{in,out}/getty code.
06:55<ompaul>e-jit: hmm so you think you see fortune -m or -o or something first ;-) perhaps you could do something like ls -l /usr/bin/
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06:55<Jorge>hello
06:55<Alfonso>oawwufy
06:55<e-jit>Fixing it in bash wouldn't fix it in dash, ksh, <spit> csh or any other shell.
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06:56<ompaul>e-jit: this is to prove your logout file is being seen
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06:56<ompaul>e-jit: it should take a moment for that to scroll by, longer than a quick flash of a fortune
06:56<Jorge>hola alfonso
06:56<Jorge>contestame
06:56<Alfonso>hola
06:56<ompaul>!es
06:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
06:57<Jorge>jejejeje
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06:57<Jorge>rjg
06:57<e-jit>ompaul: I've seen the fortune at work, on a slow machine, but don't see anything at home, possibly because this machine is faster ;-)
06:57<Sanchez>juyfl
06:57<Alfonso>fo0.cdrt
06:57<Alfonso>rybgv
06:57<ompaul>!ops many joins from 254.Red-213-98-1.staticIP.rima-tde.net
06:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: many joins from 254.Red-213-98-1.staticIP.rima-tde.net
06:57<Sanchez>jhf.jkhj
06:58-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*D.Sanchez@*.Red-213-98-1.staticIP.rima-tde.net] by Ganneff
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06:58<Alfonso>hola
06:58-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.Red-213-98-1.staticIP.rima-tde.net] by Ganneff
06:58<ompaul>thanks Ganneff
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06:58<@Ganneff>stupid brainless kids.
06:58*e-jit tries the find for clear in .bash_logout; that's slow enough
06:59<e-jit>Yes, I do see the output on logout; ~/.bash_logout is being honoured.
06:59<ompaul>e-jit: do this echo I'm Leaving and sleep 5 ?
06:59<ompaul>what else is involved in the login / logout process
07:00<e-jit>Yes, appending a sleep also works.
07:00<e-jit>ompaul: that's pretty much exactly my question ;-}
07:00<ompaul>so there you go fortune favours the few seconds
07:01<e-jit>Not a good fix, though: the point of the exercise was to leave fortunes on screen, so that I see one every time I come to log in.
07:01<e-jit>Not to see one while I'm logging out.
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07:02*e-jit chooses which console to log in at by which has the least interesting fortune on display.
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07:02<ompaul>e-jit: it's test condition, no mention of a fix yet
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07:03<e-jit>ompaul: I'm not persuaded it's a bug - it's a security fix that I want to complicate !
07:03<e-jit>I just need to know where to look for it to do so.
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07:05<TobiX>e-jit: Console clearing is normally done by getty or the /etc/motd
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07:05<e-jit>Surely /etc/motd is only shown at login ?
07:05<TobiX>Sorry, /etc/issue
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07:06<TobiX>e-jit: Add --noclear to every getty in /etc/inittab
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07:07*e-jit was unable to find a package called *getty* to poke for further details.
07:07<e-jit>TobiX: that sounds promising - I'll give it a try, thanks.
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07:09<TobiX>e-jit: util-linux: /sbin/getty
07:09*e-jit tries: 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 --noclear
07:09*e-jit but login on Alt+F2 and logout didn't still cleared.
07:09<e-jit>funky - I think my IRC client may be mis-handling /me with multi-line !
07:10<TobiX>e-jit: Did you tell init? (telinit q)
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07:11<e-jit>No - didn't know about that ;-)
07:11<e-jit>Works now.
07:11<TobiX>e-jit: init caches the inittab and only re-reads it on request
07:11<e-jit>Thank you, now I'll do it for the others ...
07:11<e-jit>Very sensible.
07:11*e-jit imagined the same happened with /etc/hosts.{allow,deny}, too - see earlier discussion !
07:12<vortek>were can i find that why choose debian bsd over bsd faq
07:13<vortek>google isnt much help
07:14*e-jit is suddenly glad he didn't chose his other common nick today: vortex - would have been confusing !
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07:18<TobiX>e-jit: If you want a fortune before each login and the security of a cleared screen, there was once a tool called fbgetty, which could run embedded commands (like fortune) from the /etc/issue...
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07:20<TobiX>vortek: Are you looking for http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_why
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07:23<vortek>yes tahkyou
07:23<e-jit>TobiX: sounds entertaining. I can live with all my users (i.e.: me) having to do suitable things on logout, though.
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08:40<Teow>I have "d-i preseed/run string killnetwork" in my preseed which causes the network to get configured as mentioned in the preseed. This works fine on servers where the uplink is eth0, but won't download/run on servers where the uplink is eth1. How to solve it?
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08:42<Play_Time>lollo
08:42<Play_Time>xD
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09:18<Woet>I have "d-i preseed/run string killnetwork" in my preseed which causes the network to get configured as mentioned in the preseed. This works fine on servers where the uplink is eth0, but won't download/run on servers where the uplink is eth1. How to solve it?
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09:29<jeje>bye
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10:17<Viz>What would I have to do to get sound on my debian system?
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10:21<blast007>!alsa checklist
10:21<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
10:21<blast007>Viz: ^
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11:18<mlebel>hello
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11:20<mlebel>I have a question about debian packaging, this this the best place to ask?'
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11:21<werner_> Hello, could anyone tell me what drivers
11:21<werner_>soory, sent by accident
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11:23<grove>mlebel: That depends on several things. There are people here with a lot of knowledge on packaging and some with some knowledge, but in general I think #debian-mentors will be better
11:26<werner_>Hello, I'm trying to get Debian to work on an Ekoore Python S tablet. It runs, but the touchscreen works half: whenever I touch it, the mouse click in a corner of the screen. It's better than nothing, but can anyone suggest anything to make it work completely?
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11:43<mlebel>Thanks Grove
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11:55<masary>hi
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12:08<franzel>can someone guide me on how to fully uninstall and reinstall apache
12:09<franzel>I keep getting segmentation fault
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12:21<ballison>I need a list of well known strings that appear in syslog and what they mean
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12:22<ballison>in other words i know people have written these before. I'm using the nagios pluging "check_logfiles" and I need a config file for it for syslog
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12:23<ballison>i've googled around and found nothing.
12:23<ballison>someone has to have a default file with well known things to look for in /var/log/messages
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12:30<ballison>anyone?
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12:55<rpetre>ballison: you may want to look at logwatch, comes with a lot of regexps to look for in logs
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12:56<rpetre>by default it sends email, but it can probably be configured to trigger a nagios plugin
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13:36<IVM>hey what is the name of the themes that gives you different task bar again starts with C?
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15:19<perlwizard>can someone recommend a video editor that can handle .mkv files ?
15:19<perlwizard>preferably in apt
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15:21<Nemoder>perlwizard: avidemux can open them, though i think that is only in dmm
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15:26<acu>I installed Debian Wheezy daily amd64 in an I7 HP laptop- the installation seem to be normal - however when I boot after grub I get the system hanged whith eth0: no IPv6 routers present - I reboot again, and I get a continuosly anoying message - even in cli - udevd[407] timeout: killing 'sbin/modprobe b pci: v0000100....
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15:51<passov>bbonsoir, bonsoir
15:52<passov>ou suis je ?
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15:52<retrospectacus>!fr
15:52<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
15:53<retrospectacus>qsd: you're in #debian, where you can get help with Debian in English
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16:10<vvas>damn #676463 *sigh*
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16:11<vvas>(sysv-rc is making my life unnecessarily difficult)
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16:24<scientes>vvas, i use systemd ;)
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16:28<vvas>scientes: i know, it's wonderful. i have it on my laptop, but my desktop has a lot of legacy crap so i haven't attempted switching to it yet
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16:34<vvas>hm... what's the proper way to remove obsolete conffiles, so that they also disappear from the dpkg database?
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16:38<towo`>vvas, dpkg --purge $(dplg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}')
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16:38<towo`>vvas, and for the future, use apt-get purge package instead of apt-get remove package
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16:39<scientes>vvas, apt-get purge
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16:39<scientes>you can purge a package after it has been removed
16:39<scientes>even with apt-get purge
16:40<retrospectacus>aptitude purge '~c'
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16:40<vvas>thanks to all, but that's not exactly what i was asking
16:41<retrospectacus>it is, unless you mis-typed
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16:41<vvas>what i'm trying to do is remove obsolete conffiles of packages which are still installed
16:42<vvas>(i.e., were conffiles of previous versions of the package)
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16:42<craigevil>bleachbit
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16:42<vvas>i could just rm them, but they still show up on dpkg -L
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16:45<franzel>can someone help my install phpmyadmin….when I install here is what I am getting http://paste.debian.net/175149/
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16:47<retrospectacus>franzel: looks like you're out of disk space or something like that.. check ''df -h'' and ''dmesg|tail''
16:47<franzel>retrospectacus: can't be out of disk space….just installed fresh copy of squeeze
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16:49<retrospectacus>what does ''touch /var/cache/apt/archives/test'' output? Nothing?
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16:50<franzel>retrospectacus: if that was for me, I re-booted box and re-download phpmyadmin
16:50<franzel>and now working
16:50<franzel>thanks
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16:51<multifake>good old windows reflex ;-)
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16:52<franzel>heap…and it worked. somehow, during first install, think something happened
16:52<franzel>not sure what
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16:54<vvas>hm... surely manually modifying /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.list is not the answer?
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17:02<Thanatermesis>how to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and mark to not touch my actual grub ?
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17:02<Thanatermesis>so if grub2 is installed i lose the boot on that xenserver machine
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17:07<multifake>what is your setup? Xen hypervisor, Dom0=Squeeze, grub<2?
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17:13<multifake>Thanatermesis: is it a rented root server or similar situation? I mean, is it a remote system you only control through ssh?
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17:16<Thanatermesis>multifake, yes, is remote, so if doesn't boot... im spanked :)
17:17<multifake>ok.
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17:18<multifake>is my setup guess correct?
17:18<Thanatermesis>multifake, yes
17:18<multifake>are you familiar with grub2?
17:19<Thanatermesis>not much
17:19<Thanatermesis>mmmh, if i set "hold" in dpkg --set-selections to grub-pc and grub-common, it will not install grub2 in the upgrade ?
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17:20<multifake>might be right. Though I wonder whether it is avisable to stay with grub<2 forever
17:20<multifake>advisable
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17:22<Thanatermesis>multifake, the xenserver seems to be too old to be recognized by grub2, or something like that the guy told me
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17:22<multifake>Thanatermesis, is it stock Squeeze-Xen, no backports manual builds etc.?
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17:23<Thanatermesis>its a own installed one, yes, with a debootstrap, seems like the provider doesnt has templates for debian... :/
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17:25<Thanatermesis>multifake, ok so, i previously do "dist-upgrade -d" (no install) and it has downloaded grub2 packages, i have removed them and set grub-pc and grub-common to "hold" state, now the dist-upgrade -d doesn't download them, i suppose that it is fine to proceed with a distupgrade on that way, right ?
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17:26<nomad>http://ge.tt/6TnvVJJ/v/0
17:27<multifake>most likely
17:28<multifake>I'm hesitating a bit
17:28<Thanatermesis>multifake, well, in any case there's a snapshot, so the damage should be not that hard :)
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17:29<multifake>before booting, I would suggest to check to actual grub setup you end up with
17:29<Thanatermesis>right, thx
17:29<multifake>manually I mean, to make sure the configured kernel still exists (+initrd...)
17:30<Thanatermesis>ok
17:30<multifake>and the default selection points to something meaningful
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17:31<multifake>I am not certain whether Wheezy triggers grub<2 update correctly. It guess it should, right? but maybe somebody else can confirm.
17:32<multifake>kernel+hypervisor of cause
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17:32<multifake>some providers offer some sort of "KVM" access, checked that out?
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17:36<multifake>mine does that for free for 2h, you get a https login and full system console access incl. BIOS, CD-ROM emulation, reset button and so on
17:36<Thanatermesis>mmh, i should check that
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17:39<multifake>If you don't get that, they might have a recovery mode, which is a PXE and NFS based system
17:39<multifake>you can access your drives and chroot into your setup
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18:41<AlexLikeRock>hola gente :-)
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19:36<Thanatermesis>multifake, do you know if i need to run some grub-install after to modify grub.cfg file ?
19:36<Thanatermesis>i have needed to change: 's/hd0,msdos1/hd0,0/g'
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19:37<Thanatermesis>if grub.cfg acts like menu.lst, i should not run any "install" command there for the mbr...
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19:41<vortek>how can i find a faster debian server to dl my packeges?
19:41<retrospectacus>!apt-spy
19:41<dpkg>a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
19:42<retrospectacus>don't tell anyone ;)
19:42<vortek>hehe
19:42<vortek>thanks
19:42<retrospectacus>everyone except vortek: ignore that
19:42<pparadis>secret aaaaagent mirror, secret aaaaaaagent mirror.
19:47<gotmynick>I actually use cdn.debian.net on all my machines (at home)... maybe I'm loosing some nanoseconds, but I do not worry
19:48<vortek>heh
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19:49<gotmynick>once upon a time a local mirror, but I did too many livecd builds at that era
19:50<retrospectacus>I mix it up all over the place cos apt-get will do multiple downloads if they're to different servers
19:50<vortek>that trick made my dls slower hehe
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19:52<gotmynick>adsl and _not_ too much hacking, but just some upgrades, does miracles about requirements
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19:52<vortek>that apt-spy only goes threw like 3 mirrors
19:52<gotmynick>a generic http proxy-cache may help, or a specific proxy-cache for apt maybe better (if there is more than one debian system behind the cache)
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19:53<vortek>is there a way i can make it test more mirrorS?
19:53<craigevil>use netselect-apt instead
19:53<vortek>k
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19:54<vortek>command not found
19:54<vortek>do i have to install it?
19:54<craigevil>yes
19:55<vortek>ahh
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19:57<vortek>thanks
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19:58<gotmynick>thanks? it's 60€ and a license renew each year
19:58<gotmynick></joke>
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20:02<gotmynick>someone here have try slaughter ? as in http://www.steve.org.uk/Software/slaughter/
20:03<gotmynick>Reading about it seems interesting, but lloking at the code it seems far from puppet/chef features
20:03<gotmynick>s/lloking/looking/
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20:04<gotmynick>no auth, no relationship across package->file->service ...
20:04<pparadis>gotmynick: that's probably better discussed in #debian-offtopic, but my first impression is that i don't see HTTPS there, only HTTP. but yeah, #debian-offtopic would be better for this.
20:05<gotmynick>I see, no official packages
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20:18<gotmynick>I wish I could disable such [OK] color marks on wheezy boot using some /etc/default setting
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20:20<gsimmons>dpkg: fancy lsb
20:20<dpkg>lsb 4.1+Debian1 introduces a "fancy output" block prepended to daemon status messages (e.g. [...] Starting/stopping long daemon name: daemond daemon2d), displaying a green [ ok ], a yellow [warn] or a red [FAIL] depending on the daemon exit status. This can be disabled by defining FANCYTTY=0 in /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh.
20:20<gotmynick>fancy
20:20<gotmynick>thanks
20:21<pparadis>actually, it would be !fancy when you disable it ;)
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20:21<gotmynick>I was looking in the wrong place
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20:21<pparadis>but then you looked in #debian, and BAM gsimmons comes out of freakin' nowhere :)
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20:22<gotmynick>if there is a factoid, maybe I'm not the first one searching for it...
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20:22*scientes uses systemd
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20:26<gotmynick>as far as grep on /lib/lsb/init-functions tells me, I just have to create the file...
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20:27<engla>scientes: I installed systemd in wheezy and to my surprise, absolutely nothing was different
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20:28<scientes>engla, that is good, that means it works
20:28<engla>it seems
20:28<scientes>there are alot of cool new features as well
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21:22<voodoo>Hi, everyone!...I've been using debian for 1 year aprox...and I have a problem, when I use my computer with debian the battery lasts about 2 hours or less, but with windows7 it lasts about 3 hours...someone can help me with this please?
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21:23<voodoo>I've talked with somebody and told me that linux had a bug in this and that was why the battery lasts less...
21:23<IVM>how do i get back my task back, it been deleted by accident
21:24<pparadis>voodoo: i think you're probably referring to this --> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/10/07/237222/kernel-bug-means-linux-power-usage-remains-high
21:24<pparadis>voodoo: and subsequently this --> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/11/11/2036245/linux-kernel-power-bug-is-fixed
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21:25<UltimediaOS>has someone knowledge with the shroudBNC package and why the source completly differs with the one in the tar package http://www.shroudbnc.info/redmine/attachments/download/1/sbnc-1.1.tar.gz - filenames change ive seen and also functions differ
21:26<pparadis>UltimediaOS: you should probably ask the package maintainer about that.
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21:27<abrotman>lesswatts.org
21:28<pparadis>nifty
21:28<IVM>help
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21:29<voodoo>thank you! pparadis :)
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21:29<pparadis>voodoo: no problem, i'd also recommend looking at the link abrotman just posted. it seems to be quite a nifty resource for further efforts at power management.
21:30<abrotman>it is!
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21:31<pparadis>this is offtopic, but i feel it's important enough to post anyhow. i know the guy who just posted this, and i'm aware of the underlying issue. if you're on RS, please note this --> http://mesoscale-convective-vortex.blogspot.com/
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22:21<hadisi>hello
22:21<hadisi>有人没
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22:25<spdupee>is there a way to install testing packages on a squeeze system:
22:26<abrotman>spdupee: /msg dpkg ssb
22:26<abrotman>spdupee: /msg dpkg bpo
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22:30<spdupee> /msg dpkg ssb
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22:30<abrotman>without the space
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22:43<spdupee>evolution is not in back ports. is ther a way to upgrade with tsting package?
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22:47<abrotman>oh really? that's a bit heavy to backport
22:47<sam_>Hello all
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22:48<spdupee>?
22:49<spdupee>evolution is up to v 3.4.x and we are only at 2.40.x?
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22:49<spdupee>same thing with ice weasle. it is way outdated
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22:51<abrotman>!mdn
22:51<dpkg>The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel and Icedove are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze or in <experimental> for wheezy and sid.
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22:55<craigevil>!stable
22:55<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
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22:56<craigevil>spdupee, ^
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23:16<pparadis>!tell spdupee about sns
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23:42<eljefe>I'm running Testing (just updated) and I can't launch Iceweasel, any suggestions? x86_64 system. Getting the error, "libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
23:42<pparadis>eljefe: you should probably install whatever provides libxul.so, or figure out where it went.
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23:43<pparadis>eljefe: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy&arch=any&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=libxul.so
23:44<eljefe>the file is there and provided by the installed package
23:44<eljefe>xulrunner-10.0 is installed
23:45<pparadis>seems like a bug report in the making then, although you might get more info in #debian-next
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23:45<pparadis>s/in the making/in the making or checking to see if it's already filed/
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