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01:29<pparadis>diebold: kk
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01:33<vortek>hello
01:33<pparadis>hi
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01:34<vortek>im trying to install a torrent file downloader for debian can i have sume suggestions?
01:34<jm_>rtorrent
01:34<jm_>so the answer is yes
01:34<vortek>thanxs
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01:39<vortek>now its installed but when i click on a torent file on the web i get a webpage eroor :(
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01:40<vortek>Problem occurred while loading the URL magnet:?
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01:41<vortek>is something wrong?
01:41<misery>any ideas on this: http://paste.debian.net/175571/
01:43<jm_>you'll need a farily recent version of rtorrent for magnet uri support
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01:44<vortek>it tired all of em some are current
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01:46<kop>misery: *whew* Tried running memtest86+? Overnight if possible to check if there's heat related problems? Has this system ever worked?
01:46<pparadis>misery: just curious, have you tried another cd-rom drive?
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01:46<vortek>is there a gui client?
01:46<kop>pparadis: He says he replaced the dvd drive....
01:46<pparadis>kop: crap, sorry, missed that :)
01:47<misery>kop, yeah it used to work before etch upgrade.
01:47<pparadis>upgrade to etch, or upgrade from etch?
01:47<misery>etch? whatever latest stable is, i mean
01:47<pparadis>i was wondering.
01:47<misery>6
01:48<pparadis>latest stable is two releases beyond that, squeeze. yeah, 6.
01:48<kop>misery: It's running 6 now?
01:48<misery>yep
01:48<misery>surge@animal:/opt/freevo/tv$ cat /etc/debian_version
01:48<misery>6.0.5
01:48<misery>had lenny? before that, and it worked.
01:48<kop>misery: Can you pastebin your sources.list?
01:48<kop>misery: Perhaps it needs non-free firmware.
01:49<kop>misery: Did you follow the release notes to upgrade?
01:49<jm_>misery: I had the same with my old system, it started with a bunch of libata errors and then it typically never recovered
01:49<misery>indeed i did, one major change was converting to udev, which im suspecting a little
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01:49<jm_>but you have a scsi system so it's completely different hardware
01:50<kop>misery: You could go crazy and try a kernel from <backports>, just to see if that matters.
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01:50<misery>http://paste.debian.net/175572/ <- sources.list
01:50<vortek>i got it thanxs
01:50<vortek>rebooting
01:50<misery>jm_, not anymore, see last entry
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01:52<jm_>misery: mine was a sata drive, but from my past experiences IDE drivers handled this better than libata ones
01:53<kop>misery: Poked about the bios to see if there's not some 'legacy' settings turned on or some such?
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01:54<kop>misery: (You could also get rid of the virtualbox stuff from oracle, to see if that matters.)
01:54<misery>kop, yeah, there are some im unsure of, but since it used to work, i dont think its worth fooling with those. based on the fact that knoppix wont even boot it after kernel is loaded, im guessing its some kernel/driver problem
01:54<misery>hmm. i meant to do that ages ago, heh...
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01:54<kop>misery: What does dmesg have to say about it?
01:55<kop>misery: Or the kernel logs.
01:55<misery>about what?
01:55<pparadis>about anything even possibly related :)
01:55<kop>misery: Anything that looks wonky.
01:55<pparadis>that ^
01:55<misery>when it crashes, it just reports bus resets
01:55<misery>for scsi, it does it repeatedly, ide just does it once, then blows up
01:56<misery>as for the virtualbox stuff, i did disable loading the modules, so thats not a concern i guess.
01:57<pparadis>can you possibly provide more information on the exact hardware you're using?
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01:58<kop>misery: lspci -nn, dmidecode, that sort of stuff.
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01:59<kop>misery: You can also submit a bug report, probably to the kernel, and see where that gets you. It might get you some expert attention if somebody thinks there's a regression in the kernel. But give us some more info first.
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02:01<misery>http://paste.debian.net/175573/ <- dmesgs if it makes any sense to you
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02:02<misery>*phew* this pastebining is hard, give me a minute... :)
02:03<pparadis>"scsi0: Dumping Card State in Command phase" certainly seems bad.
02:03<kop>!tell misery about pastebinit
02:03<jm_>misery: use libapp-nopaste-perl or pastebinit
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02:04<misery>yeah, something in X11 is pumping the bus full of garbage im guessing.
02:04<misery>overloading it, thus the load goes to over 17, before it just gives up and locks solid
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02:05<misery>http://paste.debian.net/175575/
02:05<misery>^ hardware
02:05<misery>very old, but i dont see why it shouldnt work
02:06<pparadis>misery: when you had the DVD drive on the IDE bus, did you have anything else on the bus as well?
02:06<kop>,pciid [10de:0322]
02:06<judd>[10de:0322] is 'NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0322 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
02:06<misery>nope.
02:06<pparadis>are you certain the jumper setting on the drive was set to master?
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02:06<misery>i tried both cable select and master. its on master now
02:06<kop>pparadis: Good point. I've had trouble with cable select.
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02:07<pparadis>nod, cable select has been bad for me in the past as well.
02:07<pparadis>hrmmm
02:07<misery>yeah, sometimes they dont implement it properly... nobs. but not this time.
02:07<pparadis>which IDE connector was it connected to on the cable?
02:08<misery>its a 2 plug cable, theres only 1 place it can go
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02:08<pparadis>misery: just checking, yeah.
02:08<kop>I wonder if it's power related -- overloaded power supply.
02:08<pparadis>that's a very good idea.
02:08<misery>i dont think so, its a pretty good PS... antec trio
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02:08<misery>500W or so
02:08<pparadis>do you have another power supply you can cable up to test, one rated higher wattage?
02:09<pparadis>or even same wattage, just to see.
02:09<misery>this is getting off topic i think... it worked before remember?
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02:09<kop>misery: Tried a backported kernel?
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02:09<pparadis>right, but power supplies work until they don't, and "don't" doesn't always mean "totally fails." far from it, in fact.
02:09<misery>not yet
02:10<pparadis>everything fails at some point.
02:10<misery>where do i get one from?
02:10<pparadis>and the system would have been under significantly increased load during a squeeze upgrade.
02:10<kop>misery: And a newer kernel/userspace could put more stress on the hardware/psu, causing psu failure.
02:10<pparadis>i'm just saying it's worth ruling it out, given what i've seen with power supplies in the past.
02:10<misery>pparadis, youre right, but im fairly confident about the supply.. i went through a big checking stage some time ago.
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02:10<kop>!bdo
02:10<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
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02:11<misery>have had voltages on lm sensors for a while, they all look good, for example
02:12<misery>will this kernel require me to remove udev and all that stuff i had to do for the upgrade?
02:12<pparadis>no
02:12<kop>(It's also summertime, in places, and hotter.)
02:13<jm_>not where misery is :)
02:13<kop>misery: It's pretty much plug and play -- reboot into this or that.
02:13<misery>huh, already got the backports... which kernel *is* backported? :)
02:13<jm_>judd kernels
02:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
02:13<kop>,kernels
02:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
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02:13<misery>i doesnt say in aptitude i dont think
02:14<misery>2.6.32-5-686 this was the one i already tried
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02:14<pparadis>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-2.6-686
02:15<misery>seems to be the lowest version available
02:15<kop>misery: Also, test the ram. Bad ram makes everything crazy.
02:15<misery>its ecc, but that might be worth investigating at some point.
02:16<misery>although again, not likely a problem, since everything else is pretty stable
02:17<kop>,pciid [1022:7441]
02:17<judd>[1022:7441] is 'AMD-768 [Opus] IDE' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' with kernel modules 'pata_amd', 'ahci', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1022:7441 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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02:17<misery>i dont understand that message
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02:18<kop>misery: The bot says your ide controller does not require extra non-free firmware. (probably) Just poking about to see what comes up.
02:19<misery>if youre asking if the 768 driver is in, the answer is yep, on *my* kernel... dont know about the standard one
02:19<misery>ah
02:20<kop>misery: Using an 80 wire cable (not an old 40 wire)?
02:21<misery>its 40
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02:21<kop>misery: Might try 80.
02:21<misery>again, its pretty much the same problem with scsi, so...
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02:21<misery>i see youre clutching at straws as much as i am :)
02:21<kop>misery: A scsi cd drive?
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02:22<misery>no, i put it on a ATAPI-SCSI converter thing
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02:23<kop>misery: I've had wierd stuff happen with cheap cheezy chinese cd drives...
02:23<misery>does anyone even still have a *working* ide cdrom with modern software?
02:23<pparadis>one killed my dog five years ago, in fact.
02:23<misery>killed your dog??
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02:23<pparadis></joke>
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02:24<pparadis>i do know people with relatively ancient systems running IDE CD-ROM drives. i had one in operation running squeeze up until about 6 months ago.
02:24<misery>hmm.
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02:24<misery>so 'not supported anymore' isnt a problem supposedly
02:25<kop>I'm pretty sure I've got one now. (Haven't tried he cd drive in ages.) But it's not running X.
02:25<misery>was it with a > 2.6 kernel?
02:25<pparadis>yes
02:25<jm_>my bro still has ide dvd burner but doesn't use it anymore I guess
02:25<pparadis>well, 2.6.35
02:25<misery>thats the same kernel im running normally.
02:26<pparadis>i know it worked out of the box with squeeze, installed from the CD-ROM drive, no issues.
02:27<misery>im thinking of just wiping all and reinstalling, but... no backups really (well, theres raid 1). i wonder...
02:27<misery>so much effort!!!
02:27<pparadis>also, a new DVD drive is dirt cheap.
02:27<misery>ive tried 2.
02:28<pparadis>but you're trying ones via the adapter, right?
02:28<misery>both with and without
02:28<pparadis>does the system have USB?
02:28<misery>recheck the original 'diary'... yes for usb
02:28<pparadis>throw a USB DVD drive on it.
02:28<misery>ugh.
02:29<misery>i dont think it can boot from usb stuff anyway
02:29<misery>was going to try with a 4G CF card, but it looks hard
02:29<misery>setting it up i mean
02:29<pparadis>what kop suggested about posting all this to LKML may be worthwhile.
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02:30<misery>im not so sure. since ive tried 2 different kernels...?
02:31<misery>more importantly, i have no idea where the problem really lies. ill look like a fool if it turns out to be misconfigured udev or something.
02:31<pparadis>have you tried reverting back to non-UUID based device naming to see if it matters at all, then?
02:32<misery>seems to be several problems actually - wont boot from cd, X11 hangs
02:32<jm_>do they happen independently too?
02:32<misery>how would i do that? fstab has /dev/sr0 in it?
02:32<jm_>(i mean hangs usign a cd with X vs. without)
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02:33<pparadis>man, i really hate to say this, and i almost never ever do. in this case, though, i honestly wonder if a $200 replacement machine might be the sanest route, given this is all dealing with old hardware.
02:33<misery>jm_, refer to diary, without X11 it works when its on scsi, but not ide
02:33<misery>pparadis, ive been belatedly thinking about this too... modern hardware is so lame though. :)
02:34<misery>no standards, cheap chinese shit, whinge moan.
02:34<jm_>misery: in that case i'd try the latest upstream kernel and post on lkml if you want to debug it further
02:34<pparadis>i have serious attachments to my old boxes, i know... some of my faves are much older RS/6000 machines. that said, i can build something pretty decent for even $300 in parts on newegg, and have it operate reliably.
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02:37<misery>*sigh* well, thanks for the suggestions so far guys.
02:37<misery>ill leave it for another day i guess. again.
02:39<bones_was_here>pparadis: but for how long? hardware seems like pot luck as to whether it'll last the (1 year) warranty, or whether it'll last until nobody makes a keyboard that plugs into it anymore :)
02:39<bones_was_here>the old stuff that still runs is known good... this one doesnt sound so good though :p
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02:41<pparadis>bones_was_here: the stuff i build tends to last until i relegate it to some other secondary function, but i also don't buy the cheapest components available. that said, there's a lot of older hardware that still runs great... until it doesn't :)
02:41<bones_was_here>i wonder if there's any business in selling old, refurbed equipment
02:41<pparadis>i think that's called ebay ;)
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02:42<bones_was_here>haha ebay is pot luck too :p
02:42<pparadis>there are a lot of folks out there selling older stuff that people require as part of their existing environment.
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02:42<bones_was_here>i'd buy some socket 462 boards
02:42<pparadis>speciality shops, especially for older sun hardware and such.
02:42<bones_was_here>462's not all that old though
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03:11<misery>kop would it be possible to do a startx and test your cd drive for me?
03:12<misery>bearing in mind it might hang it... if its a production system or something
03:13*pparadis tosses kop a backstreet boys cd for testing purposes. burn that afterward.
03:13<misery>haha
03:14<pparadis>aw shit, i didn't mean "burn that" as in "make more copies." damnit, what have i done? i'll go kill myself now.
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03:14<misery>literally "burn it"?
03:14<misery>with fire :)
03:14<pparadis>kill -fire :)
03:15<pparadis>it really should be nuked from orbit, but i'm fresh out of nukes.
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03:27<Vulix>is there a nonfree repo for wheezy
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03:28<pparadis>Vulix: yes.
03:28<pparadis>Vulix: there's a non-free repository for all releases.
03:29<pparadis>Vulix: for example --> http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree
03:30<Vulix>Package manager doesnt seem to allow you to add repos?
03:30<Vulix>the gui I mean
03:30<pparadis>you're probably looking for "software sources" or whatever.
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03:30<pparadis>or you can just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
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03:31<pparadis>Vulix: when you update your package sources, you need to make sure to run "apt-get update" or "aptitude update"
03:31<Vulix>yeah im just editting by hand now
03:31<Vulix>i couldnt add the source itself
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03:37<Vulix>hm trying to get bumblebee to install for nvidia optimus...interesting so far =P
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03:39<yinee>hi
03:40<yinee>Chinese?
03:40<pparadis>!cn
03:40<dpkg>如果您想得到中文的帮助,请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道,进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" (不含引号),谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
03:41<Vulix>ppardis: I am getting an error about repo signatures not being verified because of unavailable public keys?
03:41<yinee>What different between "apt-get dist-upgrade" and "apt-get upgrade"?
03:42<pparadis>Vulix: you should probably follow whatever third party instructions you're reading for adding the appropriate gpg key.
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03:43<pparadis>yinee: http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get
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03:44<Vulix>ah i just tried the one you listed at packages.debian.org
03:44<pparadis>did you run apt-get update?
03:44<yinee>yes
03:44<pparadis>i also didn't intend for you to install that specific package. it was meant for example purposes only.
03:45<pparadis>yinee: the "yes" was for Vulix
03:45<yinee>what?
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03:45<pparadis>yinee: rather, the "did you run apt-get update" was for Vulix
03:46<yinee>I did
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03:46<pparadis>yinee: did you read the man page i linked for you? it answers your question.
03:46<Vulix>pparadis: apt-get update seems to get me the error, ill try it again now though
03:46<pparadis>yinee: please do not pm. questions need to be kept in this hchannel.
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03:47<pparadis>Vulix: if you're installing something from another repository, you will need to add the appropriate key for that repo if it is third party.
03:48<pparadis>yinee: again, please do not send private messages. please keep questions in this channel.
03:48<yinee> I'm sorry
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03:48<pparadis>yinee: what verson of debian are you running?
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03:49<yinee>Er , Xubuntu 11.10
03:49<pparadis>!ubuntu
03:49<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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03:49<Vulix>pparadis: Seems like grabbing a repo listed on the debian website took care of my issue, ty
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03:50<pparadis>Vulix: sure thing
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03:51<yinee>Okay , I linked to ubbuntu channel
03:51<yinee>thank you
03:52<pparadis>you're welcome
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03:55<Vulix>hm so far everything is a lot easier to install than I expected it to be
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03:59<Vulix>hm anyway to get the nonfree repo to install nvidia drivers?
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03:59<Vulix>all it says is it found dependencies but wont install them
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04:16<Vulix>so i installed the latest wheezy snapshot. When I try to install NVidia drivers, I just get some bit about unmet dependencies and then "Unable to correct the problems, you have held broken packages". Nonfree repos are enabled and updated. Is it the snapshot or am I doing something wrong?
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04:17<Vulix>i tried multiple mirrors as well
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04:18<jm_>you'll need contrib too, but if you want us to help you, provide the outputs on some pastebin (/msg dpkg bat)
04:18<Vulix>i added contrib as well. Need to afk for a few mins but Ill be back with some output ty
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04:22<Vulix>Heres the output to my nvidia driver problem: pastebin.com/RBZtDt5E
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04:23<Vulix>www.pastebin.com/RBZtDt5E
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04:23<jm_>!bat
04:23<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
04:24<jm_>provide that too, are you using debian at all?
04:24<jm_>you are
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04:25<Vulix>yeah i a m
04:26<Vulix>im not quite sure what that is asking for to be honest
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04:34<Vulix>perhaps i should just try alpha 1 instead of the current snapshot, idk
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04:35<perlwizard>Vulix show your /etc/apt/sources.list
04:36<Vulix>www.pastebin.com/vZru295g
04:36<Vulix>whoops
04:36<Vulix>www.pastebin.com/vZru29Sg
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04:38<perlwizard>Vulix apt-cache madison nvidia-glx -> pastebin
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04:40<Vulix>i appended the info to the bottom of the last pastebin
04:40<perlwizard>don't see where
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04:41<Vulix>strange it generated a new URL anyway
04:42<perlwizard>so post it
04:42<Vulix>www.pastebin.com/VfjDX2Gm
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04:43<perlwizard>Vulix have you got some sort of apt-pinning configured ?
04:45<Vulix>im not sure what that is
04:45<Vulix>new to aptitude tbh
04:46<pparadis>Vulix: it might help people here if you could describe exactly what steps you've taken so far, from start to finish, with references from sources you've been using.
04:47<Vulix>I basically have been following www.suwako.nomanga.net to get Nvidia Optimus working under Bumblebee
04:47<Vulix>I added Debian non-free repos using mirrors listed on the Debian website
04:51<perlwizard>Vulix, in `deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main non-free` add also contrib
04:51<perlwizard>then update and try installing nvidia-kernel-dkms
04:52<Vulix>alright updating sources now
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04:53<jm_>you want to provide the output of apt-cache policy as instructed above
04:53<perlwizard> /ll policy
04:53<Vulix>there shouldnt really be anything that could have broken the current snapshot if it wasnt broken in alpha im assuming, maybe?
04:53<jm_>and why do you also have sid in sources.list?
04:53<pparadis>sid?!?!
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04:54<perlwizard>apparently suwako only provides sid repo
04:54<Vulix>Yeah that was why, it says its compatible with wheezy
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04:55<Vulix>Good news - adding 'contrib' to the nonfree repo seems to have done it
04:55<Vulix>thank you very much!
04:55<perlwizard>np
04:55<jm_>don't use sid, you have a long way to go forthat
04:55<pparadis>Vulix: you didn't add "contrib" to the non-free repo.
04:55<pparadis>you added contrib to your list.
04:56<pparadis>Vulix: it is very much worth learning how apt works before you get much further down the road. it will save you pain later.
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04:57<Vulix>Good advice, just needed to get this up and running so I could turn off my nvidia card and save battery life
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04:58<Vulix>everything else seems to have installed great, thus far a pretty good debian experience
04:58<pparadis>good deal :)
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04:59<Vulix>thanks again everyone =)
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05:07<Vulix>im off for the night, see you all tomorrow. Thanks again for the help, I think ill be on board the debian ship for a while
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05:08<misery>another one 'saved'? :)
05:08<pparadis>i think so
05:08<misery>bleh. religious arguments... what a joke. if ubuntu works, use it. :P
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05:09<pparadis>misery: but i tried that a few times, and kept coming back to debian because it just worked better ;)
05:09*pparadis is far more the pragmatic type.
05:09<misery>yeah, i tried several various ones back in 1990s, had the same experience.
05:10<misery>depends if you can think logically, or not i guess. *shrug*
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05:10<pparadis>misery: i got over my sns addiction, and i think that had a lot to do with it.
05:11<misery>heh
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05:11<misery>ironically, i just bought a ps3... never owned a console before in my life (unless you count an atari from 1980s)... its... interesting.
05:12<pparadis>i owned an NES and an atari 2600, but haven't ever owned a "modern" console.
05:13<misery>ps3 seems pretty fancy hardware-wise. im impressed with it. its debilitated by the niche its in though, it seems.
05:14<pparadis>plus sony killed otheros, which makes it far less appealing to me.
05:14<misery>reminds me of old crays a bit.
05:14<pparadis>nod
05:14<misery>aparently they got that working again.
05:15<misery>dunno if ill try it, because i just use it for what it was designed for - brain damaged fun, but maybe one day ill give it a shot...
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05:16<misery>hmm. come to think of my current problems...
05:16<pparadis>oh nice, is this the stuff that works on modern ps3 hardware? http://marcansoft.com/blog/2010/10/asbestos-running-linux-as-gameos/
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05:17<misery>could be, i didnt really take note when i saw the 'we fixed it' message... let me see if i have it bookmarked somewhere...
05:18<misery>http://wiki.gitbrew.org/wikibrew/PS3
05:18<misery>think it was that
05:18<pparadis>cool, i'll investigate it later. thanks!
05:21*misery bookmarks asbestos too for future reference.
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06:08<misery>pparadis, alright, so you seem pretty on the ball with hardware. lets say i do decide to blow $2000 or so on a new system, suggestions?
06:09<misery>... if youre still around, and since no one else is talking...
06:10<jm_>you'd get a great system for half that money
06:10<daemonkeeper>Buy 80 Rasperry PIs and get your home cluster :p
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06:10<misery>it must be a graphics workstation, but im not buying a new one in less than 5 years, so...
06:10<jm_>ahh in that case the gfx card alone will be a big part of it
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06:11<misery>jm_, i realize that, but since my knowledge was relevant, everything has changed, and ive NO idea anymore
06:12<misery>im most unimpressed with the recent bus standards etc, but since i just have to deal with it, it seems...?
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06:16<misery>hmm, overheating is a big problem where i live too. it must be not 'bleeding edge overclocked to the max' stuff
06:16<misery>i.e. reliability, vs speed
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06:21<movl>misery: what do you wanna use it for exactly?
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06:22<misery>movl, until now, ive always bought basically 'server' systems and plugged fancy graphics cards into them until theyre old enough to be thrown in the back room and used as a nfs server.
06:23<misery>does that answer the question?
06:23<movl>well. half of it :P
06:23<misery>whats the other half?
06:23<movl>you told me what was
06:24<movl>what will be, 't's the question
06:24<movl>as in, what graphics do you want to do on your future box?
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06:24<misery>well since its kept me from blowing all my money on pointless upgrades every 2 years, id obviously like to continue that if possible
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06:26<misery>for graphics, i dont really care much... decent opengl support is about the only requirement
06:26<movl>misery: AMD Bulldozer, 8 GB RAM, RAID, 2 video cards, liquid cooling and a good case/PSU combo
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06:26<movl>depends on the budget as well
06:26<movl>oh
06:26<misery>yeah liquid cooling is totally the wrong area :P
06:26<movl>then get a GTxxx NVIDIA card and you
06:26<movl>are set
06:26<movl>and scratch the cooling :P
06:27<misery>did you not see the bit about 'reliability' ? :P
06:27<misery>heh
06:27<movl>apparently not :P
06:27<misery>ok, thats graphics... but what about the rest?
06:27<movl>afaik, Gigabyte mobos go well with FX CPUs
06:27<movl>RAM I'd go with Corsair
06:27<movl>HDD Seagate..
06:28<movl>and don't underestimate the importance of a good PSU
06:28<movl>talk about reliability
06:28<movl>maybe a UPS too
06:29<movl>you get all that at around 1000 USD
06:29<misery>in my day, gigabyte made several really crappy motherboards, and a couple of good ones. im pretty sure that hasnt changed, and model numbers are important.
06:30<misery>saying something like 'gigabyte and your set' isnt much help i suspect.
06:30<movl>look at some reviews, there's plenty of that from reliable sources
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06:30<movl>'reliable' strikes back :P
06:30<misery>yeah, thats what i was trying to avoid as much as possible... 'reviews' are pretty dodgy too
06:30<misery>1st hand experience on the other hand...
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06:31<movl>well, my 1st hand experience is that Gigabyte mobos from the mid segment go well with newer and older AMDs
06:31<movl>:P
06:31<movl>so pick yer poison :)
06:31<misery>this current tyan motherboard i have was bought only after id heard good reviews AND id seen it myself in a production environment.
06:32<misery>youve tried all of them??!
06:32<movl>of course not :P
06:32<misery>not 1st hand then
06:32<movl>this is speaking from the experience of an ex service/assembly guy
06:33<movl>and good luck finding someone that tried them all
06:33<misery>ah. so you havent tried any of them. heh. thanks for trying though.
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06:33<movl>do you hope to find someone that actaully tried them all?
06:33<movl>*actually
06:34<misery>no, i expect to find someone who says 'hey this gigabyte GB-154xYZ-4 is runs really cool, and is fast, what about that?'
06:35<misery>d/is
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06:35<misery>and not someone, but several people, hopefully
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06:36<jm_>maybe try ##hardware on irc.freenode.net
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06:37<movl>misery: Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3
06:37<movl>this I know about
06:37<movl>it's stable
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06:38<movl>and has a lotta options to tweak in the BIOS
06:38<movl>then again, this is a bit offtopic
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06:43<misery>indeed, but since no one else is talking...
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06:46<movl>misery: well, you say reviews are dodgy, yet you need advice from the 'net
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06:56<SynrG>misery: go read up on anecdotal evidence fallacy
06:56<SynrG>i would much rather read a review by someone known to be both thorough and objective
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06:58<somae>I'm having problems with a new installation of squeeze - it freezes the computer and I have to turn off the computer to reboot -
06:58<misery>heh. does it involve the cdrom by any chance?
06:58<somae>I installed from the cdrom
06:59<somae>netinst
06:59<jm_>what kind of computer?
06:59<movl>somae: what architecture is your computer?
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07:00<somae>it's a dell dimension - it's been awhile - I have to look up for more info
07:00<SynrG>somae: i think misery's question is not so much how you installed, but whether the drive participates in the flockup
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07:00<misery>SynrG, good luck finding someone like that, btw
07:00<SynrG>lockup*
07:00<kilelme>Anyone have problem with wvdial? i have problem like this http://paste.debian.net/175617/
07:00<marina>hellooo:)
07:00<jm_>so a desktop?
07:00<movl>does Dell still make Dimensions?
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07:02<somae>the cd wasn't in use - it seems to have to do with copying text in epiphany and trying to paste it into gedit and then paste it into a root terminal
07:02<SynrG>misery: so yeah, the cynical view is they're all shills for their sponsors. i guess it's time for you to set up your own consumer electronics testing lab and post your results for the benefit of all of us who have to suffer with hopelessly biased reviews. i'm sure you could attract some sponsorship to fund such an endeavour ... ;)
07:02<movl>SynrG: yeah, an endless cycle..
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07:03<misery>like ive got the time or energy for that.
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07:03*SynrG taps misery's irony detector ... broken, perhaps?
07:03<misery>lets worry about somae's problem eh? i was just talking shit while it was quiet.
07:03<SynrG>movl seems to have gotten it :)
07:04<marina>sorry, the people
07:04<misery>im interested to see if its cdrom related...
07:04<somae>after the 1st installation it locked up a few times and I had to hard reboot a few times - but then it wouldn't boot at all and I reinstalled
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07:05<SynrG>somae: you have a reproducible series of steps that locks it up every time?
07:05<movl>somae: anything in the logs?
07:05<jm_>try a) newer kernel, b) kernel options (acpi, apic, pci related)
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07:05<somae>it's been awhile since I used debian and I don't remember how to do alot of things
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07:06<movl>somae: the logs are still in /var/log, as in most distros
07:06<somae>I tried looking in the installation log but it was giant
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07:07<somae>when it jams the mouse still moves but doesn't do anything
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07:08<movl>somae: tell us more about your hardware
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07:08<movl>we have insufficient data at this point
07:09<somae>which log should I look in?
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07:10<movl>messages
07:10<misery>what about the end of the log thats too huge?
07:10<misery>you dont have to read it all, just the last bit
07:10<somae>I didn't see anything at the end to indicate a problem -
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07:14<misery>and now /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages?
07:17<somae>I've been looking at var/log/messages - not sure how to tell where I did the hard reboot - we've got a 20G harddrive that squeeze is on and a 60G one that has windows xp - grub gives the choice at boot
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07:20<misery>syslogd 1.5.0#6: restart <- or similar usually indicates restart
07:23<misery>several people blasted you with questions, like 'is it reproducable', and 'tell us more about hardware'. these must be answered.
07:23<somae>these are the messages:
07:23<somae>Jun 21 05:51:22 debian kernel: [ 16.816975] Bridge firewalling registered
07:23<somae>Jun 21 05:51:23 debian kernel: [ 17.172618] Bluetooth: SCO (Voice Link) ver 0.6
07:23<somae>Jun 21 05:51:23 debian kernel: [ 17.172623] Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized
07:23<somae>Jun 21 05:51:23 debian kernel: [ 17.771475] lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
07:23-!-somae was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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07:26<somae>I'm pretty sure it will happen again if I try doing what I was doing before - but I did try getting recent fixes and I upgraded with apt-get
07:27<somae>how to get hardware list?
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07:28<misery>you mean `lspci -v`?
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07:28<misery>`lshal` maybe?
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07:30<somae>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
07:30<somae>00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
07:30<somae>00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
07:30<somae>00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02)
07:30<somae>00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02)
07:30<somae>00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 82)
07:30<somae>00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 02)
07:30<perlwizard>somae you never learn do you
07:30<somae>00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller (rev 02)
07:30<somae>00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 02)
07:30<somae>00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
07:30<somae>01:04.0 Modem: Broadcom Corporation BCM4212 v.90 56k modem (rev 02)
07:30<somae>01:09.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401 100Base-T (rev 01)
07:30<perlwizard>O_o
07:31<misery>wierd
07:31<perlwizard>somae http://paste.debian.net
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07:34<misery>looks remarkably like an old thinkpad, incidentally
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07:34<somae>perlwizard: the message I got last time said "use http://paste.debian.net *or* /msg dpkg paste"
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07:35<perlwizard>somae and what part of "Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel." from /msg dpkg paste is confusing to you ?
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07:36<somae>perlwizard: I don't see anything that says that
07:37<misery><dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.
07:38<misery>come on man, ive a similar problem, and i want to see you get help, but at least try...
07:38<perlwizard>!irc tutorial
07:38<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
07:38<perlwizard>somae ^
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07:39<misery>this is just wasting time
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07:43<somae>I still don't see where the message from dpkg is - and misery : I'm not sure what you're asking
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07:43<jm_>!paste
07:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
07:43<jm_>there
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07:45<misery>somae, im asking you to stop pasting stuff in the channel and do it properly so you can get some help
07:46<misery>they will ignore you/you will keep getting kicked (?) if you dont.
07:46<kilelme>Anyone have problem with wvdial? i have problem like this http://paste.debian.net/175617/
07:47<somae>misery: ok - no problem
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07:49<jm_>kilelme: do you know how to use BTS?
07:50<kilelme>jm_: not... but this affect when i upgrade my system last night
07:50<jm_>kilelme: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=674006
07:50<jm_>don't use testing/unstable if you can't look in BTS
07:51<misery>holy shit jm_ howd you find that so fast? :)
07:51<kilelme>jm_: you are right maybe i'm not use testing right now
07:51<kilelme>jm_: thank you
07:51<jm_>misery: i just looked at bug list for wvdial, but it was one of the first hits for "debian wvdial assertion magic number" too
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07:52<misery>hmpf. fast fingers
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07:53<somae>http://paste.debian.net/175622/
07:54<jm_>somae: do you have another computer you could use to connect to your dell when it exhbitis the problem?
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07:55<somae>there's another computer - it's running windows xp - not sure how to connect
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07:56<jm_>you can use putty on windows and openssh-server on linux
07:56<somae>I'm able to connect the 2 computers when they're both running windows
07:56<movl>somae: rdp?
07:57<somae>rdp?
07:58<movl>remote desktop
07:58<misery>protocol
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08:00<somae>as I recall - it was through the control panel network setup - we've got a hub/switch
08:01<movl>?
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08:01<somae>the 2 computers are connected to the same dsl modem through a switch/hub
08:02<movl>ok, but how do you connect one another software-wise?
08:04<somae>it's a part of a small network
08:04<somae>private network
08:04<movl>that I understand
08:04<movl>what software do you use to connect from one computer to the other?
08:05<somae>windows explorer
08:07<somae>I'm able to see files but I can't run software from one computer to the other
08:07<somae>I can copy and paste files
08:08<somae>from one computer to the other
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08:09<misery>somae, http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ install it on your windows box, then ... they want you to log in and do some commands i guess?
08:10<misery>when it crashes
08:10<somae>ok - will do - thanks
08:11<misery>hmm, a pom invented putty? or is that a mirror.
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08:11<movl>pom?
08:11<misery>englishman
08:12<movl>yes
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08:28<somae>I think I know why there was confusion before about where to paste -- the message I got from dpkg said to send to paste.debian.org or to /msg dpkg paste -- I thought it meant to type /msg dpkg and then paste the lines in the message to dpkg
08:29<jm_>naah, it doesn't work that way
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08:33<misery>to be fair, why did he say the '/msg dpkg' part... that was dumb. should have just !ed it like jm_ did
08:34<misery>anyway
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08:36<somae>later
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08:36<xexplox>hey there!
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08:37<xexplox>I'm coming to you cause i'm totally sttuck with my macbook 2.1
08:38<misery>so much for that ever being a related case. hmpf
08:38<jm_>misery: i doubt it is becvause he said he can still move his mouse
08:38<misery>xexplox, unless its running debian, youre on the wrong channel
08:38<xexplox>haha i'm on debian
08:38<misery>jm_, i can too, for a while
08:39<xexplox>but i did it again, I did a upgrade
08:39<xexplox>and guess what? broken
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08:39<misery>the lockup is apparently caused simply by the io bus getting completely flooded with ...? until that happens, its slow, but the mouse responds
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08:40<xexplox>Well I really don't understand what happen now, I downgraded to the kernel 2.6 cause I fought maybe de kernel 3 family was part of the problem.
08:40<xexplox>But I can't even try to fix anything cause my grub menu offers me the choice between the kernel 3.3 and 3.4.
08:40<grove>xexplox: Sounds like you tried upgrading to testing? Then you probably want to try asking in #debian-next
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08:42<xexplox>oh ok I see i'll go there... just finish to expose my point, maybe you'll have an idea
08:42<xexplox>so the point is that I uninstall the kernel 3 there aren't in my comp anylonger, I only have a 2.6... I did update grub and everything...
08:42<xexplox>but nothing changes
08:43<jm_>so yopu probably uninstalled the wrong package
08:43<xexplox>When I boot with the recovery mode I can't find anythinf file related to the kernel 3 anywhere everything is clean and I got my conf right in /boot/
08:44<jm_>but off now
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08:44<xexplox>my disk is encrypted, I'm thinking maybe it's something with cryptsetup?
08:45<xexplox>anyway if anybody got an idea...
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08:46<misery>so you uninstalled kernel 3, and now youre wondering why you cant find it any more? is that right?
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08:46<xexplox>nope
08:47<xexplox>I uninstall it and I'm wondering why my grub menu keep on proposing it to me
08:47<misery>because you forgot to run update-grub, probably
08:47<xexplox>neither
08:47<xexplox>I did it
08:48<xexplox>I don't have a clue of what's happening
08:48<misery>if the actual kernel is still there in /boot, update-grub will pick it up, and go "oh, add this as an option"
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08:48<misery>hmm, or / even, maybe
08:49<xexplox>yes true, but the kernel-3 is nowhere at all... neither in /boot
08:49<xexplox>I tried to find any trace of it, nothing
08:49<xexplox>it's gone
08:49<xexplox>only my boot menu show it.
08:50<xexplox>Plus the boot menu doesn't even show the new kernel, the 2.6
08:50<misery>whats in /boot exactly?
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08:50<misery>regarding kernels
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08:53<xexplox>in /boot
08:53<xexplox>I have
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08:54<xexplox>the conf file, the initrd file the system map and the vmlinuz file for the 2.6.32.5-amd64
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08:54<xexplox>and a directory grub which the conf file in it is about the same kernel
08:54<xexplox>everythink looks good there
08:55<xexplox>I cannot paste it here cause I have to boot on my mac partition to connect
08:56<misery>if thats true, update-grub didnt work properly
08:56<misery>investigate why
08:56<xexplox>I do...
08:57<xexplox>First thing would be to be able able to connect with the linux part
08:58<xexplox>if you have a lead I could try
08:58<misery>that sentence didnt make much sense to me... 'connect with the linux part'?
08:58<xexplox>sorry
08:59<xexplox>I can't go on internet under linux right now, I 'm using the macos partition
08:59<xexplox>because when I do dhclient eth0 nothing happen
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09:00<xexplox>it stop when I got a message saying link becoming ready... and then nothing happen
09:01<misery>i dont know if this helps, (and it seems to be a little known fact these days) but if you can find a linux kernel *of any kind*, *anywhere* with the right arguments and components built in, it should boot into that system.
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09:02<misery>huh, so you just have network problems... im sorry, what is the problem exactly?
09:02<xexplox>uhmm well I am sorry i'm a bit confused... I have many problems actually haha
09:03<xexplox>But I do have networks problems too
09:03<misery>1 think at a time
09:03<misery>thing
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09:04<xexplox>But if at least I could solve the networks problems I could work smthg out with apt-get maybe... but right now I have to ask everything from another system, and it really doesn"t helps if you know what I mean
09:04<misery>understood, so lets get the network working 1st eh?
09:04<xexplox>yeaahh
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09:05<misery>if it says 'network becoming ready' its probably whatever happens *after* that.
09:05<xexplox>(sorry if sometimes it's not that easy to understand me, I'm from france and being a geek in english isn't that easy for me) :)
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09:05<misery>hmm. unless it was configured for dhcp or something?
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09:08<xexplox>I guess so, but as long as it always worked like this, I simply don't know another way to get connected
09:09<xexplox>I just looked in /etc/networks/interfaces but doesn't really helped me.
09:09<misery>that would be the place to configure it... *unless* its dhcp
09:09<misery>or bootp or something
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09:12<dvs>why not dhcp?
09:12<misery>if its dhcp from kernel arguments, /etc/... networks will just screw it all up
09:13<misery>or, redo it, if its set right.
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09:32<tommas>have anyone had an issue with squeeze as a pptp vpn client? then I connect to a server the ppp0 interface does not get local IP. However testing/wheezy there is not such problem.
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10:09<Platinum>Всем привет
10:10<Platinum>есть кто живой?)
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10:10<Maulkin>!ru
10:10<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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10:10<devil>!ru
10:10<Platinum>!ru
10:10<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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10:11<yayir>hola buenos dias a todos
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10:12<grove>!es
10:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:13<yayir>ok
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10:14<gaby>buen día
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10:15<devil>!es
10:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:17<dvs>bonjour ;-P
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10:19<untrusted>!fr
10:19<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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11:39<vishnu>how to solve broken package problem in Synaptic
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11:40<Airwave>If anyone here has any experience with Nginx and StartSSL: I'm using the same server directive to include both "domain.tld" and "www.domain.tld". If I get a certificate from StartSSL, are both included in the same certificate, or do I need to split up the server directive into one with and one without "www"?
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11:44<dardevelin>hi, i was using my browser and accidentally released the mouse on the context menu option "add to dictionary" problem is, the word is incorrect, how would i go to remove from it ?
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11:47<chealer>!tell vishnu about bat
11:49<sney>Airwave: SSL certificates are for 1 fqdn only. if you're using ssl on subdomains, you'll need a separate cert for each one.
11:49<sney>this is universal, it's really just a web hosting question
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11:50<Airwave>Yes, but some CAs will make a certificate with the SubjectAltName field so that it covers more than one FQDN.
11:50<Airwave>With Gandi.net, for example, you get both www.domain.tld and domain.tld in the same certificate.
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11:51<sney>this is offtopic for #debian anyway
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11:51<Airwave>Somewhat.
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11:52<sney>completely. it's not a debian question, it's a ssl certificate provider question. ask them.
11:52<Airwave>It's related to both OpenSSL and Nginx, both of which are available in Debian.
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11:53<vishnu>i can't install any package due to too many broken debina package. Can anybody help me what to do? I can't update upto 200 mb package due to slow internet.
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11:53<sney>vishnu: see the message you got from dpkg. if you are using xchat, it's a new line in the box on the left
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12:30<vishnu>my problem is not solved.
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12:32<retrospectacus>!bat
12:32<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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12:37<retrospectacus>vishnu: that was for you ^
12:37<retrospectacus>(again)
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13:17<gotmynick>does some kind of "installed2preseed" magic tool exist ?
13:17<joseph>hey, I'm trying to configure XVidCap here. I can record video perfectly, but I can't capture sound.
13:17<gotmynick>(at a side of debconf-get-selections --installer and cleaning up)
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13:46<Vulix>Hey everyone
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13:50<Vulix>not a very talkative crowd it seems =P
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13:50<retrospectacus>chatting is not allowed here... support only. You can chat in #debian-offtopic
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14:10<codepimp>Where do I look up if a person is a DD.
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14:10<Airwave>codepimp: DD?
14:10<codepimp>Debian Deb
14:10<codepimp>dev
14:11<codepimp>I know a few maintainers but I am not sure its the same thing
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14:11<codepimp>For a key singing party
14:12<Airwave>codepimp: http://www.debian.org/devel/people
14:12<codepimp>signing*
14:12<codepimp>thx
14:12<Airwave>No problem.
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14:17<sebastion>hi
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14:18<houms>I am having a problem with audio on hdmi output nvidia card with pulseaudio
14:18<houms>it seems pulseaudio does not choose the right device
14:19<houms>hw1,7 is the actual card ID according to alsa
14:19<houms>tested using aplay
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14:22<retrospectacus>houms: can't you just choose the card in the sound preferences window
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14:22<houms>I do if i open kmix and go to audio setup or go th multimedia un systemsettings
14:23<houms>the card is there, but when i test it using the test button no sound is heard on hdmi tv
14:23<houms>if i test the builtin intel sound it works fine on the laptop
14:23<houms>the suggestions on the internet are all over the place
14:23<houms>I have tried commenting out the module jack lines
14:24<chealer>!tell houms about enter
14:24<houms>based on an arch forum post
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14:25<houms>many google searches imply that the load-module module-udev-detect line in /etc/pulse/default.pa is to blame as it does not see the multiple "devices" the hdmi device outputs
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14:27<forestbird>hello
14:27<forestbird>everybody
14:28<forestbird>how
14:28<forestbird>is
14:28<forestbird>it
14:28<forestbird>going? ;)
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14:38<houms>retrospectacus, I choose the card in sound preferences (note this is in kde) but when I test the sound nothing is comin out,
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14:39<cirrus_debian>modprobe.d folder
14:39<cirrus_debian>snd-audio
14:40<cirrus_debian>blah blah blah
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14:41<houms>Not sure if you are referring to my issue, but if i open pulse audio volume control and play something the indicator is moving on the output devices tab
14:41<houms>just no sound
14:42<houms>i tried to replace the module udev line with #load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:1,7
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14:44<houms>this seems to get the audio working over hdmi, but it then removes all other sound options in the multimedia section. Also the sound via vlc is crackling and distorted
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14:45<Deltatash>Hi I'm just wondering if anyone here knows how to uninstall Desura on Debian 6 ? I read the readme and follow its instructions to run xdg/xdg-desktop-menu uninstall --mode user desura.desktop" but that just returns "xdg/xdg-desktop-menu: command not found" any idea how to uninstall Desura?
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14:46<Deltatash>any ideas please? :)
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14:49<retrospectacus>houms: I don't have kde nor HDMI so I don't think I can help
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14:49<houms>thanks for your reply anyway.
14:50<houms>I was using alsa only before yesterday was trying to get my bluetooth headphones to work
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14:56<Vulix>hm can someone walk me through applying a patch? I have never done that before
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15:00<Vulix>nvm got it
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15:13<Vulix>epiphany consistantly crashes when I visit mlb.com, can anyone else test this? I dont seem to have problems elsewhere
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15:14<x3x>do you have java installed?
15:14<Vulix>openjdk
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15:14<Vulix>comes with a jre I believe
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15:16<Vulix>hm epiphany does fail browser java tests though
15:16<x3x>does it even find the java install directory?
15:17<Vulix>I dont know how to check that tbh
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15:19<gdb>Vulix: dpkg -l openjdk-6-jre (see if it's installed), dpkg -L openjdk-6-jre | grep plugin (to see where the browser plugin is installed).
15:20<gdb>Vulix: update-alternatives --list java (to see if it's configured as the active java installation)
15:21<Vulix>hm plugin isnt there i suppose
15:22<Vulix>Should I just grab the jdk from sun, or is there something in the repos?
15:22<gdb>openjdk-6-jre has the plugin
15:22<gdb>or you can use sun's if you like
15:23<sney_>!sun java
15:23<sney_>hrmf
15:23<Vulix>hm alright, do you know how to use the openjdk plugin?
15:23<sney_>Vulix: if you do decide to use the Sun jre, install the sun-java6-jre plugin from non-free (if you're on squeeze) rather than downloading from java.com
15:23<gdb>While I'm sure there are edge cases with Java 6 where OpenJDK isn't sufficient, I've never run into one myself. And with Java 7, OpenJDK is the reference implementation. Meaning that Oracle's Java 7 is now the "non-standard" one. Ironic, eh?
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15:24<Vulix>ah I have no problems using openjdk, just not sure how to configure it and all. I ran that command to look for the plugin but nothing turned up
15:25<gdb>Do you have openjdk-6-jre installed?
15:25<gdb>If so, you have the OpenJDK Java browser plugin.
15:25<przemoc>hi, anyone succeeded with installation of wine-bin:i386? http://paste2.org/p/2057639 I cannot install zlib1g:i386 in the end
15:26<sney_>przemoc: testing/sid/multiarch questions are better asked in #debian-next
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15:26<Vulix>I do have openjdk-6-jre installed
15:26<Vulix>hm let me do a updatedb\locate
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15:26<przemoc>sney_: ah, sorry, there wasn't such rule back in the days ;)
15:26<sney_>!icedtea
15:26<dpkg>IcedTea is a <Java> implementation based on <OpenJDK> and GNU Classpath, which can bootstrap OpenJDK using only free software components. It currently provides the only working free software Java web browser plugin. Packaged for Debian as icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) and icedtea-plugin (Wheezy). http://icedtea.classpath.org/
15:27<agentsmith>!seen pascik
15:27<dpkg>agentsmith: i haven't seen 'pascik'
15:27<sney_>przemoc: no worries and it's less a 'rule' than you'll just get more help that way
15:27<przemoc>sure
15:27<przemoc>thanks for the hint
15:27<sney_>Vulix: it looks like you need the icedtea6-plugin for openjdk in your browser.
15:27<Vulix>"dpkg -L openjdk-6-jre | grep plugin" doesnt return anything, but i also get told the openjdk-6-jre package is installed
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15:28<Vulix>I just installed the icedtea package, now when I visit www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp I get a blue cube with a question mark embedded in it?
15:29<gdb>Line breaks didn't work well here but here's what I get
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15:29<gdb>http://paste.debian.net/175714/
15:29<sney_>try your mlb site again, java.com isn't in favour of other JREs
15:30<gdb>there are actually 2 files there. Look for /usr/lib being the "third" line of the output
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15:30<Vulix>still crashes, blegh
15:30<gdb>I don't have an icetea plugin package. So I dont' know under what circumstances it's used
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15:31<gdb>This is under 6.0.5
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15:31<Vulix>eh I can just not use epiphany
15:31<Vulix>wanted to give the gnome suite a try but it doesnt seem to want to work at the moment
15:31<Vulix>opera it is =P
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15:34<x3x>for some reason my mouse pointer disappeared, is there anyway to get it back or do i need to restart X?
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15:35<gdb>x3x: restarting X won't hurt, but since there should be no circumstances under which it disappears that I can think of (may stop moving, but disappear?), I can't think of a way to get it back without trying an X restart first.
15:35<x3x>im worried about restarting X, because i havent set it up yet
15:35<x3x>(better time than any to do so eh?)
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15:41<gdb>x3x: You've not setup what? X? It should set it self up (this is supposedly one of the bonuses of modern versions of Xorg).
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15:42<agentsmith>!seen pascik
15:42<dpkg>i haven't seen 'pascik', agentsmith
15:43<x3x>gdb: no i havent setup X, i have all nvidia hardware, and in the past, ive had problems of it not working on restart (computer restart, not X) so im a bit weary
15:43<agentsmith>im confused. isnt log im lookin at for this network/chan? http://otter.anthrochat.net/irc/debian/2012/06/16
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15:44<agentsmith>obviously pascik was here 4 days ago. :-/
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15:58<agentsmith>!seen gsb
15:58<dpkg>gsb <~gsb@117.205.48.26> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13d 23h 50m 53s ago, saying: 'mycroes: followed by "sudo apt-get -f install"'.
15:59<agentsmith>interesting
15:59<retrospectacus>might be the #debian on irc.freenode.net
15:59<cirrus_debian>♻ @GussyJackson: RETWEET and see what happens! ██████████████████████████████​ ██████████████████████████████​ █████████████████████████████
16:00<agentsmith>retrospectacus: nope, already checked.
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16:04<retrospectacus>agentsmith: pascik didn't *say* anything so dpkg doesn't remember
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16:05<lemons>Hello
16:05<retrospectacus>hi
16:08<lemons>How would I go about Disabling GDM
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16:09<lemons>So at startup I can log in with TTY
16:09<lemons>and GNOME won't start
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16:10<retrospectacus>lemons: ''insserv -r gdm''
16:10<ergalvao>guys what's the "default" graphical app for Squeeze/KDE for managing which processes should run on startup? I have to install it, right?
16:10<lemons>is that it? don't I have to edit xinit or something?
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16:11<ergalvao>I mean, OK, if I have to install it it's not default, but I guess you know what I mean
16:11<Knorrie>lemons: you can't do ctrl-alt-f1 to reach tty1?
16:11<lemons>I can
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16:11<lemons>But I want to boot to tty1
16:11<lemons>and then right into my WM
16:12<lemons>so I don't need to use GNOME anymore
16:12<Knorrie>ah ok, just checking :)
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16:15<ergalvao>Anyone on my question? I also need to remember the app for managing sources
16:16<ergalvao>with a gui I mean
16:16<retrospectacus>ergalvao: it's "insserv" and "/etc/apt/sources.list" respectively... no "app"s necessary
16:17<ergalvao>OK, but i remember that KDE has GUIs for both
16:17<perlwizard>you need a GUI to "manage" a text file ?
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16:18<ergalvao>Yes, so?
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16:21<ergalvao>perlwizard: Well, at least I don't need a GUI to manage my manners. Sarcasm on a support channel is only funny if it comes with an answer. Bye for now
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16:38<x3x>gdb: that worked perfectly, cept i had to restart my whole computer
16:38<x3x>oh well
16:38<x3x>thanks
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16:47<javi>ola
16:47<javi>hello
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17:11*cirrus_debian keep's comin home to debian
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17:15<Vulix>Anyone ever use wine to install microsoft office on Debian? I know, I know...
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17:16<heikkila>Not as long as Open or Libre Office is around :-)
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17:20<ompaul>Vulix: what will microsoft office do for you?
17:20<ompaul>yes people have used it with wine and if they can't manage that they use crossoveroffice
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17:22<Vulix>Ive used it on other distros, but powerpoint doesnt seem to work properly in debian, trying to figure out why
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17:23<ompaul>!wine
17:23<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>.
17:24<Vulix>Hm yeah I downloaded the latest wine (1.5.5)
17:25<ompaul>I guess /server irc.freenode.net /join #winehq it is then
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17:33<AzaToth>anyone known when `top` sort command sequence was changed? I've been so used to type "F" + "n" to sort memory, I was pretty dumbfounded as I noticed it didn't work anymore...
17:33<AzaToth>was thinking "doesn't my shift key work anymore?"
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17:34<dondelelcaro>AzaToth: it's been that way for a while. M sorts by memory
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17:40<AzaToth>ok
17:40<AzaToth>I'm not complaining, I was just totally confused ツ
17:41<Guest754>Conversion successful
17:41<Guest754>We've imported another human
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18:10<Talon_>can I use my current debian install to make a mini-linux USB stick? something with just grub on it to boot the stick and it boot to console?
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18:12<retrospectacus>Talon_: yes.
18:12<Talon_>any tutorials out there? everything I google for is making a USB installer for debian.. I don't really want an installer, just a mini-linux stick I can take anywhere
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18:12<Talon_>all I need is console, no X or anything
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18:13<retrospectacus>Talon_: you can use debootstrap for that, then chroot and update-grub
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18:32<Vyrus001>anybody know why lesstif2-dev has a totally broken dependancy tree in squeese but lesstif2 installs fine?
18:32<Vyrus001>trying to get libmrm and the only 4 packegs that come up in apt search all have broken dependancys so nothing will install
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18:34<sney_>!bat
18:34<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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18:40<Vyrus001>sney_: paste.debian.net/175751
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18:52<sney_>Vyrus001: please also pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:22<x3x>i keep having a reoccurring problem with my mouse pointer disappearing, any ideas?
19:22<x3x>im using gnome that came with latest squeeze
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19:26<abrotman>what is your video card? ISTR there's an optoin for a swcursor
19:27<x3x>nvidia 9600 GT
19:27<x3x>i havent set up the LKM for it yet, so i think thats it
19:27<x3x>i might still be running thew vesa driver
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20:34<jorge_>do you speak spanish?
20:35<sney_>!es
20:35<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:35<jorge_>ok thanks!
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21:17<MTecknology>Any ideas what's going on here? http://dpaste.com/762202/
21:17<MTecknology>trying to update the system and it's going boom...
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21:17<abrotman>!lsb
21:17<dpkg>Linux Standard Base is a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb . See also <lsb tags>, <fancytty>.
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21:18<sney_>MTecknology: update from what to what?
21:19<MTecknology>sney_: just whatever is available with aptitude upgrade
21:19<MTecknology>acpid bind9-host dnsutils file host libbind9-60 libdns69 libisc62 libisccc60 libisccfg62 liblwres60 libmagic1 libnss3-1d libssl0.9.8 libxml2 linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common linux-libc-dev openssh-client openssh-server openssl procps python python-minimal sudo tzdata
21:19<nevyn>there's a reasonable argument that lsb is too low a bar and as compliance is optional it's completly useless?
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21:21<MTecknology>sney_: I'm noticing in aptitude this 'C 2.88dsf-13.1+squeeze1'
21:21<MTecknology>I have no idea what C means...
21:22<sney_>well, I'm about to leave, but I think there's a good list of aptitude flags online somewhere
21:23<MTecknology>Half-configured: the package’s configuration was interrupted.
21:23<MTecknology>that's what it means..
21:23<MTecknology>so.. the initscripts package is broken
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21:23<pparadis>MTecknology: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html#figureCurrentFlag
21:23<pparadis>flags for everybody!
21:24<MTecknology>yay
21:24<MTecknology>pparadis: any ideas why initscripts is so pissed off with me?
21:24<pparadis>was its configuration indeed interrupted by something, like a power failure, whatever?
21:24<MTecknology>nope
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21:25<MTecknology>it's a vm that's been running for 57 days
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21:26<pparadis>MTecknology: what version of debian?
21:26<MTecknology>6
21:26<MTecknology>6.0.5
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21:28<pparadis>MTecknology: maybe try apt-get install --reinstall initscripts
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21:29<MTecknology>pparadis: is that the same as aptitude reinstall initscripts? I tried that and it didn't help any
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21:30<pparadis>i'm (possibly temporarily) out of ideas, then.
21:30<MTecknology>it stops mysql when I do that too which really sucks because I absolutely have to keep mysql running.... :(
21:30<pparadis>did you apt-get update / aptitude update before you started the upgrade?
21:31<MTecknology>aptitude update, yup
21:31<MTecknology>aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
21:32<MTecknology>pparadis: well... I at least figured out how to keep mysql running while I work on this... I just moved the init script
21:33<pparadis>i was gonna say, you can start mysql without using the init script.
21:33<MTecknology>OOOOOOH!!!!!
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21:33<MTecknology>the filepath init script is pissing things off!
21:34<MTecknology>It's one ugly script too.... http://dpaste.com/762208/
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21:40<MTecknology>pparadis: that was it.... that init script that ibm created was breaking everything
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21:41<MTecknology>Thanks a bunch for helping me through it! :)
21:42<MTecknology>Only 3.5GB left to copy until I can drive to another state tonight to replace a server.... yay!
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21:49<Maccer>Can some direct me the proper place to discuss the debian project and its policies or goals, or is this it?
21:50<abrotman>Maccer: you probably want the mailing lists.. honestly
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21:50<Maccer>abrotman: Oh hi!
21:50<abrotman>again ...
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21:51<Maccer>I don't know abrotman... am I the only one who thinks "diversity" tolerance, equality, (alphabet soup), should be a goal of the debian project?
21:51<abrotman>Maccer: i think they're just putting on the record what was already a generally accepted practice
21:52<Maccer>Yeah, but now you're creating a bureaucracy for it...? .-.
21:52<Maccer>Never knew it was so... feminized...
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21:54<abrotman>i think you'd do better to choose another term
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21:54<abrotman>but anyway .. see if you can find a mailing list to discuss it, lists.debian.org
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22:13<vande700>hello
22:14<abrotman>hiya
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22:15<vande700>cool, first time doing IRC
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22:20<abrotman>been sort of quiet lately
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23:28<mfontana>Hey everybody, I'm having a problem while downloading a file via svn.
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23:29<sabian2008>although it seems to download, I get the error: p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so
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23:30<sabian2008>Which I don't know where it comes from since I've purged gnome (as much as I could).
23:30<sabian2008>(I'm using KDE and the packages i'm trying to download are those of Enlightenment).
23:30<peterS>sabian2008: I'm not sure why the module tries to load, but you can disable the 'gnome-keyring' support from subversion by editing ~/.subversion/config
23:30<sabian2008>Let's see.
23:30<peterS>sabian2008: in the [auth] section, uncomment 'password-stores =' and make sure that line is either blank, or does not include 'gnome-keyring'
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23:31<peterS>sabian2008: note also there is a system-wide copy of that file in /etc/subversion/config if you want to change this for all your users at once
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23:32<sabian2008>All the file is commented, except for, let's say, headers (section titles).
23:32<peterS>sabian2008: yes, that is normal. That is why I said to uncomment the line.
23:32<sabian2008>Weird, I'll try uncommenting and blanking the line.
23:32<peterS>if you leave it commented out, it will remain at its default value
23:33<peterS>which is 'gnome-keyring,kwallet'
23:33<sabian2008>Yeap.
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23:34<sabian2008>Still same thing.
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23:34<sabian2008>Now it doesn't download at all.
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23:34<peterS>what did you set 'password-stores' to, then? the empty string?
23:34<sabian2008>Yeap.
23:35<peterS>and when you say "doesn't download at all", what it doesn't do is much less interesting than what it _does_ do
23:35<peterS>(that is why "my computer doesn't work" is not a useful bug report)
23:35<sabian2008>Sorry, didn't ment to be rude.
23:36<sabian2008>I just ment that, before the editing, that message was displaying (p11-kit.... blah blah blah) and then, it seemed to download. Now the message is still the same but no downloads are made.
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23:37<peterS>so it still tries to load the pkcs#11 module even after you set 'password-stores =' in ~/.subversion/config ?
23:37<sabian2008>Yes, that's what I tried to say. I speak poorly at this time of the day :P.
23:38<peterS>that's a bit mysterious. What version of svn? "svn --version" or "dpkg -l subversion"
23:38<sabian2008>1.6.17 (do you need the build?)
23:39<sabian2008>compiled 6/4/2012.
23:39<sabian2008>(I run Wheezy)
23:39<peterS>ah, so wheezy
23:39<peterS>compiled by me, incidentally (:
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23:40<sabian2008>Awesome, chatting with a big fish :P
23:40<peterS>first suggestion is to pull 1.7.5-1 from unstable, though it will require at least libserf1 also from unstable - I don't think it needs any other libraries that aren't in wheezy
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23:40<sabian2008>Would you mind reminding me how to install libraries from unstable?
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23:41<sabian2008>I don't want to be tedious. It's okey if you say no :P
23:41<sabian2008>I mean, yes.
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23:41<peterS>sabian2008: come to think of it, you are probably seeing bug 650022
23:41<peterS>I haven't done anything to fix that bug or even try to reproduce it, so possibly 1.7.5 is just as bad anyway
23:41<peterS>(http://bugs.debian.org/650022)
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23:42<sabian2008>Mmmmm, I see.
23:43<peterS>gonna have a quick look at the source to see if there's an obvious reason for 650022
23:43<sabian2008>Don't bother mate.
23:44<sabian2008>I'll see if I can get the files downloaded by some friend with Squeeze.
23:44<peterS>well, I have to figure this out _anyway_, at least if the bug still exists in 1.7
23:44<sabian2008>But if you need my help to reproduce the bug or something, I'll gladly help.
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23:47<x3x>ive mentioned this before but keep having the same problem, my mouse pointer keeps disappearing, and it only does it when i type in a terminal. im not sure how to get it back, short of restarting gdm3, which previously didnt work correctly, forcing me to have to restart the entire machine.
23:49<peterS>x3x: the mouse doesn't reappear when you move it?
23:49<x3x>no
23:49<peterS>many terminal apps intentionally hide the mouse cursor when you type, so it doesn't get in the way of the text
23:49<x3x>im using xchat on my 4th workspace, and it still hasn't come back up
23:49<x3x>my terminal is on the 1st
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23:50<peterS>I probably can't help, really, but it would be useful to know what terminal program you are using, and what video driver, and which version of Debian
23:51<x3x>um, stock terminal on a fresh install of Squeeze and id assume the vesa driver, because i havent decided which 'nvidia' based driver i wanna use
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23:56<nevyn>nouveau?
23:57<sabian2008>peterS: It took me a while. Same problem in 1.7.5
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23:58<sabian2008>It downloads the files again, but with the mentiones error message at the begining.
23:58<sabian2008>mentioned*
23:59<sabian2008>I think it's an improvement anyway :P
23:59<peterS>heh. Yeah, I'm still trying to reproduce the bug at all
23:59<peterS>trying to figure out, without recompiling svn, when I can tell that it has tried to gnome-keyring
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