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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-06-23

---Logopened Sat Jun 23 00:00:35 2012
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00:06<kop>vook: Look into the yubikey by yubico. There's also plenty of code available.
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00:08<kop>vook: aptitude search yubi
00:09<kop>simonlnu: He means otp.
00:11<simonlnu>ok, makes sense now ;)
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00:56<misery>alright, so a process is doing something that sets CPU usage to nearly 100%, but it is because its always in a hardware interrupt, and doesnt show up in top. How do i find out what it is?
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01:01<misery>i know its 1 process, because i have 2 cpus, and only '1' gets 100%, or if you are a sun geek, its pegged at 50% :)
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01:03<pparadis>misery: maybe some combinaton of these typical techniques will help --> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-find-out-linux-cpu-utilization.html
01:08<misery>ps one is the only one that looks like it might work... (whats 'pcpu'?). Here goes... prepare for disconnect!
01:09<misery>oh wait, raid is still syncing.
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01:09<pparadis>misery: fwiw, continuous hardware interrupts have usually indicated an actual hardware problem in my experience.
01:10<misery>mine too, but ive replaced every bit of relevant hardware, and it makes no difference :/
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01:10<pparadis>this can be manifested by a system that shouldn't be doing anything pegging a CPU core (or significantly utilizing one).
01:10<misery>just replaced the DVD drive a *3rd* time, and its still crapping itself
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01:10<pparadis>man, i've really gotta tell you with the problems you're seeing from this system, it truly may be time to just build another box.
01:11<misery>i know i know!
01:11<pparadis>i mean this is getting crazy :)
01:11<misery>im poor, ok? :)
01:11<pparadis>shit, i know about poor, i understand. i'm just saying at some point you've gotta say "hell, i could pick up some piece of crap from ebay for $50 that would work better than this" ;)
01:12<misery>i think i have it sorted into 2 different bugs though: 1 is that the hardware is somehow (how?? really? ive replaced it all several times) dodgy, but the other bug im trying to sort out now, is why it hangs in X11. It should NEVER do that, even with broken hw
01:13<pparadis>everything you're seeing is a significant deviation from the norm, even for old bastards like me who are prone to running modern releases on crufty hardware.
01:14<pparadis>it just kinda screams "jim, it's a doorstop now."
01:14<misery>frankly, i can deal with a dodgy optical drive, but this hang thing is unacceptible.
01:14<misery>pparadis, if you can suggest some good modern hw to buy, ill consider it.
01:15<misery>but i dont want to buy more cheap shit, and its been so long since i bought this, that i dont know whats good anymore
01:15<pparadis>my best advice is to check out neweg for various specials and see what you can put together on a budget. if you need more personal help with that, hit me up in pm and i'll see what i can do to help you out with it over the weekend.
01:15<pparadis>s/neweg/newegg/
01:16<misery>tbh poverty isnt really an issue... its just that im stingy, and picky about what i buy.
01:16<pparadis>oh i get it, i'm the same way :)
01:18<misery>~$2000 seems acceptible for a new mac‌hine.
01:18<pparadis>that seems incredibly bananas outstandingly too much money.
01:19<misery>but i wouldnt know a POS from gold these days, so looking on newegg is pointless
01:19*pparadis hits you up in pm.
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02:10<AddinILA>12.04
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02:32<weasel>hmm.
02:33<pparadis>weasel: ?
02:33<weasel>nothing, carry on :)
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02:51<MARIO>ola
02:51<MARIO>olaaaaaaaaa a alguien conectado
02:52<MARIO>olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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02:55<misery>STOP MOCKING ME GOD OF COMPUTING!!! now 2 different disks work, not even an I/O error!?!?
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02:56<misery>what the hell?!
02:56<pparadis>misery: i popped over to your flat and fixed it while you were in the kitchen earlier. no need to thank me, my work here is done.
02:56<misery>wow. thanks mate! :)
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02:57<pparadis>in all seriousness, one of the most magical things about computers is the simple fact that sometimes taking them completely apart and then putting them back together makes them work.
02:57<pparadis>which is horribly frustrating :)
02:57<misery>hah yeah, but i know why that is... dry solder joints
02:58<misery>which this thing obviously has alot of
02:58<pparadis>nod, a bump here and a nudge there, a profanity laced scream or two, and poof things work somehow.
02:58<misery>im gonna try one of the older drives again...
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03:18<sml>hi all. any way to find out why DNS notfies of zone changes are only being sent to ONE of my slaves?
03:19<sml>i change my zone, i do rndc reload blah.org and the notifies are sent according to syslog. one of the slaves recieves immediately, great, but the other one doesn't. not sure how to debug?
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03:20<misery>youve got to laugh. I 1/2 took apart the old drive to see if there was dust in it, and when i reassembled it, i just kept cycling the door. Now its fucking stuck in the cage!!
03:21<misery>i need to sacrifice a chicken or something i think...
03:21*pparadis consults the manual... nope, you need two ducks and one lamb.
03:21<sml>but never a penguin
03:22<pparadis>never. you may need to kill a daemon or two, though.
03:23*misery is seconds away from just smashing it out with a hammer
03:23<misery>bah. i better give up for today.
03:24<pparadis>good plan :)
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03:35<sml>anyone here run a webserver? how do you make it so that files a user uploads to /var/www/blah actually gets permissions www-data: ?
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03:36<pparadis>sml: the and ownership and permissions of an uploaded file are determined by whatever uploaded it.
03:36<pparadis>s/the and/the/
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03:36<sml>pparadis: i know. but how to ISPs and such therefore allow users to upload files, but yet apache expects files to be owned by itself (www-data) ?
03:37<sml>unless you're supposed to put uploaders in the www-data group
03:37<sml>or summink
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03:37<pparadis>sml: web applications typically (but not always) run as the user and group of the web server process.
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03:38<pparadis>sml: what problem are you trying to solve?
03:38<sml>pparadis: the problem i have is i gave my mate ben an account so he could upload a site he's doing to my box where i've given him am account
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03:39<sml>i had to do a chown www-data: -R * on his upload so that it worked in apache
03:39<misery>ps -aux | grep apache?
03:39<sml>but obviously i dont want to have to do that every time he uploads a new site
03:39<pparadis>sml: perhaps you should add his user account to the www-data group.
03:39<pparadis>that probably has broader security implications, though.
03:39<sml>pparadis: well that's what i was thinking (see above!) :) but not sure if that's the 'correct solution'. must be a common problem. will go have a google
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03:40<misery>oh! `newgroup www-data`
03:40<pparadis>misery: wait a second.
03:40<pparadis>sorry, that was for sml
03:41<pparadis>sml: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apache2-mpm-itk
03:41<pparadis>have fun
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03:42<misery>seems a bit overzealous
03:42<pparadis>it's actually incredibly useful.
03:42<pparadis>it gives you the ability to run separate vhosts as separate UIDs/GIDs without falling into the hell that is suexec and friends.
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03:43<pparadis>it's also pretty much mandatory for an apache2 box that allows people to upload their own content, as running everything as www-data has _nasty_ security implications in such cases.
03:43<misery>yeah, but hes just got one server/virtual host? or have i misread
03:44<pparadis>misery: he's giving access to a friend who wants to host his own content on that box, but that content needs to be separate from the other content.
03:44<misery>meh, based on recent happenings, i better just shut up. :/
03:45<misery>definately misread then.
03:45<pparadis>s'okay <3
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04:49<scientes>on a somewhat similar note: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jun/12/google-searchengines
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04:50<HungGarTiger>hey guys anybody active right now?
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04:51<HungGarTiger>in need of some assistance, basically I've tried most of the advice I've found on the net but I can't get DVDs to play
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04:52<HungGarTiger>anybody have any experience with this?
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04:57<HungGarTiger>or direct me to somewhere more appropriate if this is not the right place
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05:00<devil>HungGarTiger: original DVDs?
05:01<HungGarTiger>no they are copies
05:01<devil>HungGarTiger: do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
05:01<HungGarTiger>yes I do
05:01<devil>then that should work ™
05:01<HungGarTiger>I think it's a problem of not mounting
05:02<HungGarTiger>I've edited the lines out of fstab
05:02<devil>what is the contens?
05:02<HungGarTiger>but I can't even see the drive
05:03<HungGarTiger>so it seems to me that nothing is mounting
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05:03<devil>what is the contens?
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05:04<HungGarTiger>contents of what?
05:04<devil>of the DVDS
05:04<HungGarTiger>ww2 documentary
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05:05<devil>well, what format? is it a movie? is it recorded from tv? what is the format?
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05:06<HungGarTiger>I assume its just been written to the disk - no region or anything though.
05:07<devil>sry, gotta run, work
05:07<HungGarTiger>no worries, ty
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05:21<perlwizard>is there a way to forcibly turn off *any* kind of HTML rendering in icedove ?
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05:58<daemonkeeper>perlwizard: use telnet?
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05:58<daemonkeeper>Or wget, nc, ...
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06:02<olasd>wget for a mail client?
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06:16<marc_>Can I install Debian with just the first CD? I would assume I don't need to download all 53 of them?
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06:19<grandie>marc_: if you use net-install
06:19<Apollo>marc_: I think you need the netinstall :)
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06:20<marc_>net-install won't detect the network card on my new board
06:20<marc_>My debian install survived two totally different motherboard transplants, but this third one was too much to ask :-)
06:21<marc_>I found this which says I'm unlikely to need files on CDs > 3: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s01.html.en
06:21<marc_>took > 30 mins to download CD1 so I might just try that and see if I can use synaptic within GNOME to get the rest
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06:26<tw1sted>I got a bunch of code from a friend that I need to compile. Needs a ton of dependencies. Is there a program that will auto get them.
06:26<tw1sted>I already know about the dpkg-buildpackage tools, but in this case I am interested in building from a raw distribution-independent source tarball, not from the Debian package source
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06:27<olasd>"automatically" detecting the dependencies of a random source tarball is a hard problem
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06:29<tw1sted>olasd yeah I would think. Just got a msg about auto-apt. Reading about it now to see if its is what I am looking fore.
06:30<tw1sted>for
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06:31<tw1sted>Has anybody used auto-apt. Being called "apt" it sounds like it was made for the Debian platform. '
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06:32<marc_>debian 6.0.5 amd64 CD1 won't detect my network either. It's an Atheros AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit. Any ideas how to install Debian and have it detect that card? I'm currently using a Linux Mint 13 Live CD (though I'd much rather stick with Debian, of course)
06:37<tw1sted>marc_ I think that one card is known for problems.
06:38<marc_>Mint is using a 3.2 kernel, it seems, and squeeze is 2.6?
06:38<tw1sted>marc_ ahh easy then
06:38<tw1sted>you need to change your repo to testing.
06:38<tw1sted>Or use a bpo
06:38<marc_>is Debian Testing stable enough for use by someone who doesn't care for problems?
06:39<marc_>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=64709
06:39<Apollo>99% of the time yes
06:39<tw1sted>My mother has been using it for 2 years now
06:39<tw1sted>and she is a retard
06:39<marc_>:-)
06:39<marc_>I've threatened to put my mum on Linux if she gets her Windows infected again
06:39<tw1sted>and by the way Mint uses the testing repos =)
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06:40<marc_>Well, it's time for testing, then :-) Besides, my coffee cup has a Debian logo on it
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06:40<tw1sted>My underwear has a Debian logo. Got it on the net =)
06:40<marc_>seriously?
06:41<tw1sted>A g-string to boot =P
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06:41<marc_>I have been living a sheltered life it seems
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06:42<tw1sted>weird things can happen when a person is "sheltered" and left alone for long alone for long times on the net to do as they wish =P
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06:43<marc_>used to be that pr0n was sufficient :-) any idea where I can get a testing net-install ISO?
06:43<pparadis>marc_: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
06:44<marc_>pparadis: thanks, I couldn't find it. guess Debian don't want average punters accidentally getting at it
06:44<tw1sted>marc_ this is the underwear i got. Was more of a joke http://www.cafepress.com/+debian_linux_classic_thong,54247776
06:44<marc_>twisted: going to have to bookmark that one for sure ;-)
06:45<tw1sted>=)
06:46<marc_>twisted: and forward to my Debian friends to raise their eyebrows
06:46<pparadis>tw1sted: that's a lovely banana hammock you've got there.
06:46<tw1sted>lol, thats what my GF thinks. Got to remember that one ... banana hammock
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06:53<lord_rob>Hi ! I have a new problem with Flash. My videos play with very low sound on youtube (flashplugin-nonfree). However I've the latest version installed
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06:54<pparadis>what version of debian are you using? also, please note that the non-free flash plugin is not officially supported by debian.
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06:55<perlwizard>lord_rob using alsa ?
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06:56<Zipl0ck>How can I set the default browser for links on gnome desktop?
06:56*pparadis does wonder if running alsamixer and cranking up the volume is the answer.
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06:57<Zipl0ck>I have gnome-www-browser and x-www-browser configured in alternatives but still wrong browser is used when I double click the desktop
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06:58<lord_rob>perlwizard: yes
06:59<pparadis>lord_rob: have you tried running alsamixer and checking volume levels?
06:59<perlwizard>lord_rob check sound levels in alsamixer
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06:59<marc_>going to reboot with wheezy net-inst. Thanks for your help, y'all
06:59<pparadis>also, do other applications seem to play audio at normal levels?
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07:00<lord_rob>the sound levels are correct, though not at the maximum. but when I use vlc for example sound is correct
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07:02<Zipl0ck>Any idea guys? How can I make gnome use specific browser when opening links?
07:02<Zipl0ck>I have a few links dragged and dropped on desktop and they dont open in default browser
07:02<perlwizard>quite a few gtk/gnome apps don't respect debian system defaults
07:03<perlwizard>you're going to have to find gnome-specific default application setting
07:04<Zipl0ck>perlwizard, just a simple url link file on desktop is being opened with chromium and I want to use iceweasel
07:04<Zipl0ck>Where can I find that setting?
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07:06<Zipl0ck>can I find all the alternatives records that use chromium somehow?
07:07<perlwizard>update-alternatives --get-selections | grep chrom
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07:08<Zipl0ck>thanks. that didnt find it
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07:10<perlwizard>Zipl0ck irc.gnome.org:6667 #gnome
07:10<perlwizard>they should know
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07:10<Zipl0ck>perlwizard, thanks will try
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07:24<ErzeugendeFunktion>hi what s on ?
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07:28<nkukard>where does apt get the debian mirror list from?
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07:31<pparadis>nkukard: when you install debian, there's a debconf-style task that runs to select a mirror. you might be interested in this post-install --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apt-spy
07:32<nkukard>right, what I did is pull a full mirror copy that I"m updating every day, its for a large org that runs debian 5 & debian 6 , I'd like to override what the pc's are using as the mirror :)
07:33<nkukard>would just be cool if I can make it the only mirror in the list that pops up
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07:33<pparadis>are you using this? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apt-cacher-ng
07:33<nkukard>nope, full mirror, ftprsync
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07:34<pparadis>well, if you'd like to override what machines are using, you'll just need to edit their /etc/apt/sources.list files to point to your own mirror instead.
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07:35<nkukard>cool, would of just been nice to override the mirror list displayed when they click "Software Sources"
07:35<pparadis>an alternate way of going about this would be to operate an HTTP proxy in between those machines and the internet, and proxy requests to your own mirror instead, but this is rarely practical.
07:35<ayaka>SSLPassPhraseDialog cannot occur within <VirtualHost> section ,then which file and where shall I place SSLPassPhraseDialog ?
07:36<pparadis>ayaka: you may be interested in #httpd on irc.freenode.net
07:37<pparadis>ayaka: you might also be interested in giving nginx a try instead for some of your stuff. i haven't used apache for new development in over two years now.
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07:38<ayaka>pparadis, I see, but debian conf file standard is different
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07:39<pparadis>ayaka: debian has nothing to do with this. apache has several standard places to place configs.
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07:39<ayaka>pparadis, like debian use an empty httpd.conf by default
07:39*daemonkeeper is used to get the blame from everybody.
07:39<pparadis>ayaka: that doesn't matter for this.
07:39<daemonkeeper>You should not use httpd.conf at all.
07:39<pparadis>that ^
07:40*pparadis idly wonders if ayaka has tried asking the original question in #httpd yet.
07:40<daemonkeeper>It's a long obsolete heritage of the 2.0 transition back in Etch
07:40<pparadis>indeed
07:41*daemonkeeper hoped to make things better for Wheezy, but oh well, Wheezy + 1 is the plan now.
07:41<pparadis>daemonkeeper: better then than never, right? :)
07:41<ayaka>pparadis, daemonkeeper thank you
07:42<pparadis>sure thing
07:42<daemonkeeper>pparadis: It's already done along the 2.4 transition actually. It's just most module aren't ready yet.
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07:42<daemonkeeper>modules as in third party modules.
07:42<pparadis>daemonkeeper: nod, that's a fun deal.
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07:43<daemonkeeper>The answer is ssl.conf by the way.
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08:11<lord_rob>what will wheezy + 1 be (the codename) ?
08:11<drhouse123>hi! Usually I'm use vdpau for watching video through smplayer, but when I watch non-youtube video from browser flash eats my cpu too much. Can I use vdpau for flash-player?
08:13<drhouse123>I installed flashplugin-nonfree but there's not /etc/adobe/mms.cfg
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08:15<drhouse123>I create /etc/adobe/mms.cfg manually and what parameter I should put in it?
08:15<drhouse123>created*
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08:20<daemonkeeper>lord_rob: Not decided yet.
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08:23<Aitor>hola
08:26<ayaka>how to clean the ssl cert saved in iceweasel?
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08:31<Aitor>hello?
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08:55<Guest953>Hi
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08:58<HungGarTiger>hello guys, can anyone help me with a DVD problem I am having?
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08:59<towo`>no one knows
08:59<HungGarTiger>it seems to be a fairly common problem, mounting dvds
09:00<ayaka>HungGarTiger, just ask
09:00<HungGarTiger>ok, well I have tried various methods but I can't get my dvd to mount. when I use vlc I get a can't find /dev/dvd error message
09:01<pparadis>mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/cdrom [mount point here]
09:02<pparadis>your DVD drive may well be represented as a "CD drive"
09:02<nardev>i started samba somehow and now what ever i do, create new file, commit something on github, it says that i did it as "[Samba guest account]" who can i change that?
09:02<HungGarTiger>yes it is
09:02<HungGarTiger>my mount point would be /dev/sr0?
09:02<pparadis>your mount point would not be under /dev
09:03<pparadis>you can mount it anywhere you like, although things like /mnt/cdrom, /media/cdrom, etc are common
09:04<pparadis>well, anywhere you like except for anywhere under /dev or on top of something else.
09:05<HungGarTiger>"no medium found on /dev/sr0"
09:05<pparadis>does /dev/cdrom exist?
09:06<HungGarTiger>theres a file in /dev/ called "cdrom" yes
09:07<pparadis>try "mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom" and then go see if there's anything listed in /media/cdrom
09:09<HungGarTiger>same result and nothing listed in /media/cdrom - though I do have 3 cdroms in /media/ "cdrom,0,1". only "cdrom" has a little arrow in the top right corner though
09:10<pparadis>what's listed under /media ? use http://paste.debian.net
09:10<pparadis>actually, please provide this output "ls /dev/cd* ; ls /media"
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09:11<pparadis>did the mount command produce any output? if so, please pastebin that as well.
09:12<HungGarTiger>http://paste.debian.net/175973/
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09:12<HungGarTiger>output was the same "cant find medium on /dev/sr0"
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09:13<pparadis>well, let's try "mount /dev/cdrw" then
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09:15<HungGarTiger>"mount: can't find /dev/cdrw in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
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09:17<HungGarTiger>sorry, was kicked =/
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09:21<nardev>is there anyone who can tell me how to change "document author" that i create?
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09:22<HungGarTiger>are you as stumped as me? hehe :P
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09:26<HungGarTiger>would updating my kernel do anything? I read somewhere that a newer kernel might fix the problem - I'm running squeeze
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09:49<julian>buenas
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11:55<purechOS>How is it that I sent a private mail to a developer and it ended up on a pubic forum with TWO of my private emails? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642934
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11:56<pparadis>purechOS: when information leaves your control, you cease to have positive control over it. you should probably be asking the developer you emailed about this.
11:57<sney>yes, this. but it may also be worth noting that I don't think I've ever received a spam email as a result of my address being visible on bugs.debian.org
11:58<pparadis>sney: nod, i don't think i have either. and if i have, i'm certain either me or my spam filters said "noted, disregarded, go debian"
11:58<daemonkeeper>Who is "you" there?
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11:59<purechOS>The last one. erik.adler@mensa.**
11:59<abrotman>purechOS: also, some people create an account just for working with Debian
12:00*pparadis creates an account or alias for just about everything.
12:00<purechOS>I only sent it to Carlos. Was not an official thing.
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12:00<abrotman>purechOS: he replied to you, copied the bug .. what's confusing?
12:00<abrotman>the email you *sent* isn't there?
12:01<daemonkeeper>No, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez replied to him by CC ing the bug
12:01<abrotman>right ..
12:01<daemonkeeper>Which is not ... nice.
12:01<purechOS>I sent him an email to his private address and he sent one back. Then I found this on the net.
12:01<purechOS>not sure how the could happen.
12:02<abrotman>he CCed the BTS ..
12:02<purechOS>is there a way I can get this off the net?
12:02<pparadis>i'll readily agree it perhaps wasn't the nicest thing in the world, but if you're depending on an email address to remain undisclosed, you're honestly doing it wrong. that's not a personal slam or anything, just being honest.
12:02<pparadis>it's kinda like attempting to obsure a net-facing IP. doesn't work well in the long run.
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12:03<daemonkeeper>I agree. It's not nice, but not exactly disclosing sensible information or something
12:03<abrotman>purechOS: i don't believe there is.
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12:03<daemonkeeper>Well, he could try to ask dondelelcaro, but he probably won't do anything.
12:03<pparadis>purechOS: i can guarantee you it's already in a thousand caches and probably several mirror locations by now.
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12:04<purechOS>There is a reason why you can not see a thing about me from my IP. Kind of like to keep it that way always when in public.
12:04<abrotman>ip?
12:04<pparadis>do you really believe that?
12:04<purechOS>here and now
12:05<daemonkeeper>Your IP is public, You are 188.126.73.184
12:05<purechOS>that is a VPN
12:05<pparadis>doesn't matter.
12:05<abrotman>it's still your IP
12:05<purechOS>to HideMyAss
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12:06<sney>it's so the CIa can't trace him back to his secret lair
12:06<pparadis>and everything you touch from that vpn connection is building a nice little profile on you, and i assure you that's being integrated and connected into other connections related to you. people do that for a living, and hidemyass isn't worth a shit.
12:06<pparadis>i'm one of those weirdos who dabbles in that sort of modeling.
12:06<pparadis>anyhow, this is way offtopic now, and i'm to blame if i keep going.
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12:08<sney>purechOS: moral of the story - if you email a debian maintainer or developer about something related to the OS, packaging, or available software, there is a moderate chance your email will be copied onto a mailing list. Act accordingly.
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12:10<daemonkeeper>sney: Having that said, it's not nice to forward private mails to public mediums. Regardless of the content.
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12:12<purechOS>daemonkeeper I agree. Really crappy indeed. Should be a policy on that.
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12:12<daemonkeeper>purechOS: But again, you're _a bit_ overreacting.
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12:27<AgentC>hi
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12:32<AgentC>any cups-maintainer here ?
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12:36<AgentC>depends a serial number problem on udev-configure-printer after a system-rescue
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12:39<scientes>AgentC, try http://localhost:631/
12:39<scientes>or https://
12:39<AgentC>scientes: i know cups userinterface, in faillog the kernel describes a problem about udev-configure-printer with ths device
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12:40<scientes>ahh, well there is #udev on freenode
12:40<scientes>and kay sievers, the maintainer is almost always online there
12:40<scientes>(of udev)
12:40<scientes>not cups
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12:41<AgentC>ill try, thnx
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12:49<AgentC>scientes: do you know his nickname?
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12:51<scientes>kay
12:51<scientes>but you dont need to ping him
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13:01<consultor>olá
13:01<consultor>alguém aí ?
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13:01<AgentC>that udev-problem brings following inside debug.log : http://paste.debian.net/175993/
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13:03<johnnyquest>Is their something else can run to fix a LVM Error storing directory block information when runing a e2fsck. Removeed and recreated the LVM allready still same issue.
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13:35<alex_>hello, yesterday i noticed a strange behavior in the file manger dolphin
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13:35<alex_>i think it corrupts files when i copy a folder with an () in it
13:36<alex_>the md5sum of a big file like a movie changes
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13:36<alex_>cp in the shell does not change the md5
13:36<alex_>can someone confirm this?
13:37<omnicide>virii
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13:50<mwcampbell>On my newest Debian system, a laptop, I plan to spend most of the time on a text console, and even when running X, I probably won't be running one of the big desktop environments. Can someone suggest a package similar to NetworkManager for easily switching between wired and wireless networks? One I can use from the CLI?
13:51<bzed>mwcampbell: wicd
13:51<bzed>mwcampbell: is has a curses client, too
13:52<mwcampbell>How does that interact with /etc/netowrk/interfaces? Right now, I have my wired network in there, but not my wireless. Should I remove eth0 from that config file before I start wicd?
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13:58<alex_>omnicde: did you mean me?
13:59<alex_>omnicide:did you mean me?
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13:59<bzed>mwcampbell: yeah, that makes sense, at least disable the auto line. being abl to configure it manually doesn't do any harm
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14:02<daemonkeeper>I don't get it, wasn't vdpau supposed to offload rendering to the video chip? Now I do use vdpau and my mplayer video playback still does not cope
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14:04<sakal>I trying to setup x server with xrandr on 2 cards nvidia 9600 gt and 3 monitors: https://gist.github.com/2979235
14:05<sakal>but I can't use all monitors from xrandr, only one
14:05<sakal>before I use xinerama and it was very slowly
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14:05<sakal>I hope, RandR will be more powerful
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14:07<jaimesilva>sakal: When you run xrandr with no options it detects all your monitors ?
14:07<Alam_Squeeze>sakal: what version of nvidia?
14:07<sakal>302.17 from debian experimental
14:08<Alam_Squeeze>ok, same as me, and what does xrandr outputs?
14:08<sakal>jaimesilva, call of xrandr and xrandr -q is equal
14:08<sakal>Alam_Squeeze, at end of gist link I puted xrandr -q output
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14:09<sakal>first monitor detected correctly, but outher to is disconnected
14:09<Alam_Squeeze>how about with the Section "Monitor" in xorg.org?
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14:10<sakal>Alam_Squeeze, I have section monitor for each of my monitor (total 3)
14:10<Alam_Squeeze>hmm, let me see if I can use xrandr on a 2nd monitor
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14:11<sakal>It's config from nvidia-settings, but I just disabled xinerama and for experiment I just commented #right of# for screens, but it's doesn't metter as I see
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14:13<Alam_Squeeze>oh, I see XFCE's display applet still sucks...
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14:18<sakal>may be I must setup it all on one screen, but I don't know to do that with 2 cards
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14:22<_kud>Hey.
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14:23*sakal go to restart X
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14:24<Alam_Squeeze>sakal: just have a plain Device sections in your xorg.conf (or drop each Device section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/nvidia.device#.conf)
14:24<Alam_Squeeze>oh shot
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14:35<alazare619>whats the live-build irc?
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14:50<kockah>Hai
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14:51<Biggie>anyone know how to make a folder in localhost ?
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14:52<heikkila>Biggie, what do you mean with localhost?
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15:16<Gerowen>can somebody help me out? I'm trying to combine two .mp4 files with mencoder with this:
15:17<Gerowen>mencoder file1.mp4 file2.mp4 -ovc copy -oac copy -of lavf format=mp4 -o output.mp4
15:18<Gerowen>however i get "Audio format 0x4134504d is incompatible with '-oac copy', please try '-oac pcm' instead or use '-fafmttag' to override it."
15:18<Gerowen>and if i try PCM i get a codec error
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15:19<Gerowen>think i got it, replaced -oac copy with -oac faac
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15:44<adam_>in debian wheezy did they keep gnome 2 as the default desktop ?
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15:46<Aye1337>ello from Scotland
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15:51<craigevil>adam_, no Wheezy has Gnome 3, gnome 2 is dead upstream
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16:44<cassa>!list
16:44<dpkg>cassa: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.
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17:18<zixem>?
17:19<zixem>Im installed right now xchat
17:19<zixem>srry on span
17:19<zixem>spam*
17:19<zixem>Bye (:
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19:36<canaima>hola
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19:37<canaima>soy adriana
19:37<canaima>como andas
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20:06<sagir3>whoaaa
20:06<sagir3>466 people :D i love debian XD
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20:08<sagir3>hmm...how come people dont have voice?
20:08<engla>you don't need voice
20:09<sagir3>ohh
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20:38<init[dot]d>well this time it worked
20:39<init[dot]d>still getting a LOT of errors about LC and LOCALE though
20:41<init[dot]d>and now cannot launch menu items
20:41<init[dot]d>and now cant launch menu items
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20:49<marc_>I downloaded wheezy DVD1 and installed it, and find that it boots to runlevel 2, and when I "startx" I get a black desktop with a black xterm in the upper right corner with no window manager (so no window decorations). Changing inittab to runlevel 5 default still boots to 2. What do I have to do to get at least GNOME 2.3x?
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20:49<init[dot]d>After upgrading from lenny to squeeze now menu items wont launch
20:49<init[dot]d>whats going on and how do I correct it?
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20:54<init[dot]d>After upgrading from lenny to squeeze now menu items wont launch
20:54<init[dot]d>whats going on and how do I correct it?
20:54<Jzebus>perhaps try to reinstall the missing applicatinos?
20:54<init[dot]d>so why did it autoremove them?
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20:55<Jzebus>I'm a novice myself but it seems resonable that if things were removed in an upgrade you reinstall them
20:56<Jzebus>#I think, but i could be wrong, that dist-upgrades are generally though of as risky
20:56<init[dot]d>Even a novice should understand an upgrade should not be removing programs willy nilly
20:56<Jzebus>A dist-upgrade is not "an upgrade" it is a distribution upgrade
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20:56<init[dot]d>upgrades can go bad at times but there is usually a working repository of the installation distro, in this case debian farked it all up
20:57<Jzebus>I've not read the documentaation regarding it recently but i thought there were warnings along hte lines of "Everything may stop working"?
20:57<init[dot]d>Oh really!
20:58<init[dot]d>thats awesome I have never seen anything like that
20:58<init[dot]d>sheesh
20:58<init[dot]d>will some deb guru answer the questions please?
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20:58<init[dot]d>why is the upgrade causeing so many issues? Whos awesome idea was it to move the repos and then have cruddy upgrade scripts
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20:59<init[dot]d>also upgrade script has incorrect spacing
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21:00<init[dot]d>apt-getinstall is not a valid command apt-get install
21:00<Nemoder>perhaps the names changed and your user icons were not updated
21:00<Nemoder>what programs are not launching?
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21:01<init[dot]d>all items in system will not launch
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21:02<engla>init[dot]d: so what kind of error messages do you have when trying to launch programs?
21:03<init[dot]d>just the pop up box that says cant launch it
21:04<init[dot]d>Failed to execute child process "gnome-display-properties" (No such file or directory)
21:04<engla>that's already a hint
21:05<init[dot]d>E: Couldn't find package gnome-display-properties
21:05<init[dot]d>any other hints?
21:05<init[dot]d>maybe I should pastebin the entire flub up on upgrade
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21:05<engla>do you have any broken packages?
21:05<init[dot]d>I know I cannot be the only human on earth having this issue
21:05<init[dot]d>yeah a ton of them
21:05<engla>broken as in apt status 'broken'
21:05<init[dot]d>upgrade started removing packages at will
21:06<init[dot]d>gnome stuff and all sorts of system files
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21:06<abrotman>you probably want apt-file to find that file
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21:07<init[dot]d>bash: apt-file: command not found
21:08<craigevil>init[dot]d, did you bother to read the release notes so you could upgrade properly
21:08<init[dot]d>Matter of fact I did
21:08<init[dot]d>bizarre huh
21:10<init[dot]d>lets see what this apt-file update does
21:10<craigevil>so you upgraded the kernel first, then udev, and then did apt-get dist-upgrade
21:11<init[dot]d>yes
21:12<init[dot]d>gnoring source without Contents File:
21:12<init[dot]d> http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/Contents-i386.gz
21:12<craigevil>Introducing several thousand new packages, squeeze also retires and omits more than four thousand old packages that were in lenny. It provides no upgrade path for these obsolete packages.
21:13<craigevil>so having ton of packages removed was to be expected depending on what all was installed
21:13<init[dot]d>yes I understand that
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21:14<craigevil>have you tried running apt-get -f install
21:14<init[dot]d>this is not by any means my first dist-upgrade I have done it successfully probably 300 - 400 times before on various distros
21:14<init[dot]d>I understand the process / hazards etc...
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21:17<Jzebus>init[dot]d, Apologies for my ignorance but what is the problem then?
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21:22<acu>guys - why the laptop hangs at udevd startiv version 175
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21:29<init[dot]d>/bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
21:29<init[dot]d>whats up with that?
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22:04<_kud>Hey
22:04<sney>hi
22:04<_kud>I've copied pasted this https://github.com/altercation/solarized/blob/master/xresources-colors-solarized/Xresources into my own Xresources and it seems not to work
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22:05<_kud>I've configured my terminal to have 256 colours
22:05<_kud>but still nothing
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22:26<homercycles>I just installed wheezy (and apart from apparently broken GUI package management tools) I can't figure out how to change font sizes in gnome 3. any idea how?
22:26<engla>homercycles: it's not a default feature what I understand, you need to install an extra tool
22:27<init[dot]d>wha?? I cant install linux-headers-generic?
22:27<homercycles>engla: that seems to be par for the course with this wheezy alpha1. "Debian Graphical Desktop" checkbox on install resulted in runlevel 2, and "startx" gave me a lovely black desktop, xterm in the upper-right corner, and no WM, so no window decorations
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22:28<engla>homercycles: runlevel is not really relevant for debian
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22:29<homercycles>engla: apparently it's all targets these days. My knowledge is a tad old. I apt-get installed gnome and that at least got me under way
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22:29<homercycles>angla: though installing pidgin removed a heap of gnome (I'm hoping 2.3) so next reboot I might be back at a CLI again. who knows
22:29<engla>nothing about targets. runlevel 2 is always the default runlevel, there is no differentiation
22:30<engla>homercycles: well then you shouldn't have gone forward with that installation I think
22:30<homercycles>engla: well, then I know nothing about it at all, then :-) All I know is that the "Debian Graphical Desktop" checkbox on install doesn't give the user what they might understand to be a desktop environment
22:30<homercycles>engla: I had to. squeeze didn't cope with its third motherboard transplant, and it seems my Atheros GBLan on this new board requires a newer kernel than squeeze
22:31<engla>there is a newer kernel in squeeze backports if you go back to squeeze
22:31<engla>but I was talking about just installing pidgin
22:32<homercycles>engla: I'm commited now. I'm done with fiddling. If I can't get this wheezy up to a usable state, I'll just put Mint on the drive. I've been using that on another HDD to get into a usable environment when things went bad
22:32<init[dot]d>2.6.26-2-686
22:32<init[dot]d>is that the correct kernel?
22:33<engla>correct for what?
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22:33<init[dot]d>squeeze
22:33<pparadis>init[dot]d: squeeze is on 2.6.32
22:34<init[dot]d>oh 0.o
22:34<sney>judd: kernels
22:34<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
22:34<sney>lenny kernel
22:34<pparadis>yarly
22:35<ung>hi, anyone know where to get the Intel usb3 controller on debian? http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/highlights/chpsts/usb3ehcd/
22:36<ung>they say, "Linux* USB 3.0 xHCI driver is available from open source community" but I don't find it
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22:36<init[dot]d>when I uname -r I get 2.6.26 but when I want to install the newer image it says already installed?
22:37<pparadis>ung: what does "lsmod | grep usb" say?
22:38<ung>usbhid 33292 0
22:38<ung>hid 63257 1 usbhid
22:38<ung>usbcore 123122 4 usbhid,ehci_hcd,xhci
22:38<ung>nls_base 6377 1 usbcore
22:38-!-ung was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
22:39*pparadis just about to mention the pastebin, too.
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22:39<ung>sorry for the paste
22:39<pparadis>ung: please make sure you use a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net
22:39<ung>yea my bad
22:40<pparadis>ung: xhci is loaded.
22:40<ung>ok
22:41<ung>I get around 30 mb/s
22:41<pparadis>init[dot]d: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file to http://paste.debian.net
22:41<pparadis>ung: do you have multiple USB port locations on your computer?
22:41<ung>on windows with the intel drivers, I get around 90
22:41<ung>yes
22:42<ung>I tested all the intel one, (other are etron controller)
22:42<ung>I always get the usb2 speed
22:43<pparadis>ung: can you please pastebin the output of "lspci -v" ?
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22:46<ung>yes, http://paste.debian.net/176051/
22:46<homercycles>is it possible to go back to synaptic on wheezy or are we stuck with these new dumbed-down GUIs?
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22:47<pparadis>ung: are you logged in as root in the terminal?
22:47<ung>no
22:47<pparadis>pleas su - root and pastebin that again
22:47<init[dot]d>http://paste.debian.net/176052/
22:47<init[dot]d>my source list
22:47<ung>ok
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22:48<pparadis>init[dot]d: what does /etc/debian_version say?
22:48<init[dot]d>is that the same as uname -r?
22:49<pparadis>init[dot]d: no
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22:49<init[dot]d>says command not found
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22:49<pparadis>init[dot]d: it's a file. please use cat, as in "cat /etc/debian_version"
22:50<init[dot]d>6.0.5
22:51<ung>pparadis : http://paste.debian.net/176053/
22:51<engla>homercycles: synaptic is in wheezy. What's the "dumbed-down" ui you are using?
22:51<homercycles>engla: whatever the "add/remove software" thing is
22:52<engla>ok I don't know it, I don't use gnome in wheezy
22:52<homercycles>engla: me and gnome on wheezy may not be long for this world anyway. gnome3 is just horrible. sure, I've heard about it for a long time, but since I need wheezy for my motherboard, I was prepared to try and give it a shot, but I hate it
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23:01<pparadis>ung: i'm at a bit of a loss. xhci_hcd is in use, so i'm wondering if there's either a bug in the drive's firmware or the driver causing it to revert to slower performance. you might try installing a newer kernel from backports and see if it makes any difference.
23:01<ung>ok
23:02*pparadis was going to try to help init[dot]d more, but he left.
23:04<pparadis>ung: you might also pastebin the output of "dmesg | grep -i usb" to see if there might be any clues in there.
23:04<ung>I will try for sure the new kernel but
23:05<ung>I am not sure, can you tell me wich one to pick plz
23:05<ung>(amd64)
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23:06<ung>it is 2.6.38 in backports ?
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23:07<pparadis>what does "uname -r" say?
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23:08<ung>i use 2.6.32-5-amd64
23:08<pparadis>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-2.6-amd64
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23:08<pparadis>ung: also, please see http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/
23:08*pparadis runs to the store, back in a bit.
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23:10<ung>oh, I thought that the backports could be higher
23:11<pparadis>ung: that will install a 3.2 kernel.
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23:12<pparadis>ung: anther thing to consider is the possibility that the slower speed is the result of ntfs-3g on the debian side, and not the drive itself.
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23:13<ung>ok
23:13<pparadis>ung: if you feel like testing this, i'd create another partition on the drive, format it as ext3, and see how that performs.
23:13<ung>btw : http://paste.debian.net/176054/
23:14<pparadis>this is of course not a perfect test, as it's a bit of apples and oranges going on, but if the write speed is dramatically higher that's an indication.
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23:15<ung>I will try right now the new kernel and ext3 after I backed up my data (it's a new computer and it's my backup lol)
23:15<pparadis>ung: that dmesg output looked okay, btw.
23:15<ung>ok
23:16<ung>thank you, going to try the new kernel right now, brb
23:16<pparadis>ung: try the new kernel first, and see if it makes any difference. then test performance of an ext3 filesystem on the same disk. ntfs-3g is not going to be as fast as native ntfs on the windows side, but maybe you can get some improvement anyhow.
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23:22<bafu>Dear all, I tried to adopt a package and need to retitle its bug report via control@bugs.debian.org. However, it was careless of me to send a report to submit@bugs.debian.org.
23:23<bafu>How should I do to fix this mistake? Thanks.
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23:28<bafu>I want to remove the redundant bug report.
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23:32<zorta>:D
23:32<ung>pparadis: it works :)
23:32<pparadis>ung: good speed improvement?
23:33<ung>I get xhci_hcd failed to enable MSI-X at startup, but it works
23:33<ung>yep, 85-90 mb/s instead of 30
23:33<pparadis>good deal :)
23:33<zorta>alguno habla español?
23:33<ung>thank you
23:33<pparadis>you're welkcome!
23:33<pparadis>!tell zorta about es
23:34<pparadis>s/welkcome/welcome/
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23:42<homercycles>I installed KDE as per http://wiki.debian.org/KDE#task but now when I reboot, I'm back to a CLI. how do I get a GUI as the default?
23:44<ung>did you install xorg and kde-plasma-desktop ?
23:45<ung>try apt-get install xorg kde-plasma-desktop kdm
23:45<homercycles>I should have xorg because I'm in it now (gnome fallback or something, from "startx"). I simply did as per: http://wiki.debian.org/KDE#task
23:47<homercycles>ung: that's installing heaps of stuff. I wonder why the "task" didn't result in a KDE desktop? It also downloaded heaps of stuff
23:47<homercycles>ung: it must have downloaded them to /dev/nul from what I can tell
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23:48<ung>"KDE Desktop task is what is installed by Debian-Installer's Desktop "task" this is not the minimal install
23:49<homercycles>ung: I apparently have a heap of packages installed. going to reboot and see what I get. thanks
23:49<ung>yes it install alot of stuff but unless you install each package separate, kde-plasma-desktop is the kde minimalist install
23:49<homercycles>ung: that doco could do with some clarification, I think
23:50<ung>it will also install kdm as rec package so you will get your gui
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23:51<homercycles>ung: I hope so because I really don't want to put Mint onto my SSD. I'd rather stick with the distro that has served me well (so far) in the post-Ubuntu Unity apocalypse
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23:56<homercycles>ung: thanks, got me a KDE desktop now. I see the KDE folks still believe in a default taskbar theme with black writing on a dark grey background such that I can't read anything :-)
23:57<ung>np
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23:59<homercycles>ung: is there a way to install all the kde-preferred apps for most things? like kopete and friends? or do I just install them one by one?
23:59<ung>I use pidgin
23:59<homercycles>ung: so do I, but I thought I'd check out kopete again. I haven't used it since kde3.5 days
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