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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-06-24

---Logopened Sun Jun 24 00:00:18 2012
---Daychanged Sun Jun 24 2012
00:00<ung>do you use squeeze or wheezy ?
00:00<homercycles>ung: now using wheezy. had to because squeeze doesn't support LAN on my new mobo
00:01<ung>don't install it cause it install too much but look at http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/kde-full
00:01<ung>it's the kde full version so you can check the package and install only the package that you need
00:01<ung>exemple : kopete is in kde-standard
00:01<homercycles>ung: thanks :-)
00:05<homercycles>ung: I don't suppose there's a way I can add a top panel and put launchers on it (so I can re-create a comforting gnome-esque feel)? oh, and do you know of a good KDE chatroom in which I should probably direct my questions?
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00:07<ung>in the top right corner, you can add a panel
00:07<ung>but to customise kde, I only use it since 2-3 weeks, i used gnome for years but i'm new to kde
00:08<homercycles>ung: you're a gnome refugee too, eh? it's sad really
00:08<craigevil>homercycles, #debian-kde , or #kde on freenode
00:08<homercycles>craigevil: thanks :-)
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00:13<homercycles>um, isn't there a GUI package manager in KDE?
00:13<ung>synaptic
00:14<homercycles>hmm, I don't have that installed
00:15<homercycles>ung: ah, that's better. that add/remove programs thingy in gnome3 was horrid
00:16<ung>you can also use synaptic on gnome :)
00:17<homercycles>ung: it doesn't seem to be installed by default anymore, though. I sure hope Debian isn't attracted to the dumbing-down of things like other distros. that would concern me greatly
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00:20<craigevil>synaptic works, or there is apper
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02:15<xubuntu>hi
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03:04<pinguy>hi
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03:16<pinguy>?
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04:05<gabriele93>hi
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04:06<gabriele93>someone can resolve this problem? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1057104/
04:06<pparadis>gabriele93: what operating system are you using?
04:06<gabriele93>pparadis, ubuntu 12.04
04:06<pparadis>!ubuntu
04:06<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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04:15<AgentC>hi
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04:15<AgentC>could anyone give me a hit how to solve this problem : http://paste.debian.net/175993/ ; printer does not work correctly
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04:20<vortek>night
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04:22<fahaldidprof>howdy!
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05:02<AgentC>what does this means ? : insserv: warning: script 'K01dvb' missing LSB tags and overrides
05:03<pparadis>AgentC: it means you need to learn how to use google.
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05:51<AgentC>what could be a reason for, when invoke-rc.d says failed to invoke start / or stop ? that happens often in case of dpkg-reconfigure or reinstall/install/remove
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06:03<najma>hi guys i need your help
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06:05<pparadis>!ask
06:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:07<najma>downloaded cheese app but it doesnt wana launch when i open it
06:07<najma>what could be the problem
06:07<Ormie>hello...
06:08<pparadis>najma: what version of debian are you running?
06:08<Ormie>How do I add backports to repo list?
06:08<pparadis>Ormie: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/
06:08<Ormie>...
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06:09<pparadis>Ormie: would you care to explain the problem you're having? the linked page explains how to use backports.
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06:10<Ormie>pparadis, oh. it's just the extra packages i need, but i forgot how to add backports to repo list.
06:10<pparadis>Ormie: why did you type "..." ?
06:11<Ormie>i don't know... it's my habit to type it. which means "Oh, Let me check..."
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06:12<pparadis>Ormie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis
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06:12<Ormie>oic
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06:15<Ormie>and i would also want to upgrade to the latest version (stable) avaliable in repo. how?
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06:16<pparadis>Ormie: what are you running right now?
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06:17<Ormie>Linux ormie-laptop 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:00:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
06:17<Ormie>and wrong time... D:
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06:18<Ormie>let's get to the kernel first.
06:19<Ormie>pparadis, so how do i install the latest linux kernel.
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06:20<pparadis>Ormie: why do you want to do that?
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06:20<pparadis>what's wrong with the kernel you have right now?
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06:20<pparadis>you run run ntpdate to update your system time.
06:20<pparadis>s/run run/can run/
06:21<Ormie>pparadis, i am installing a firmware that requires a newer version of linux kernel
06:22<pparadis>okay, so install this from backports --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-2.6-amd64
06:22<Ormie>ok
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06:23<pparadis>if you happen to need a very specific kernel version for something to work, which is highly unlikely, you may need to compile your own kernel, which i would advise against given my perception of your position.
06:23<Ormie>ok
06:23<Ormie>is that the latest one avaliable... o.o
06:24<pparadis>Ormie: when you're asking questions, it's really good to explain what you're using right now, what you're trying to do, what you expect it to do, what it does instead, etc.
06:24<Ormie>um
06:24<pparadis>otherwise people have to ask silly questions to understand what you're actually trying to do.
06:24<Ormie>right, so i install the .deb file
06:25<pparadis>Ormie: you can always determine what the absolute latest kernel release is from kernel.org. that does not mean that version is packaged with any particular distro.
06:25<pparadis>no, you don't install the .deb file.
06:25<pparadis>are you trying to manually install a deb?
06:26<pparadis>Ormie: did you read the instructions on this page that i linked earlier? http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/
06:26<Ormie>the .deb is avaliable at the link you gave me, all i need to know the command using apt-get to install the kernel
06:26<Ormie>(the latest kernel)
06:26<pparadis>did you update your sources.list file?
06:26<Ormie>yes
06:26<Ormie>i did
06:26<pparadis>the command you want is on that page.
06:27<Ormie>which page you gave me?
06:27<pparadis>Ormie: apt-get update && apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6-amd64
06:28<Ormie>oic
06:28<pparadis>Ormie: for the third time --> http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/
06:28<Ormie>that's all i need.
06:29<pparadis>Ormie: excessive use of things like "oic" also likely result in people ignoring you in channels that don't exist "for the lulz."
06:29<Ormie>sigh
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06:31<Ormie>E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-2.6.38-amd64' :(
06:32<pparadis>Ormie: what operating system are you running?
06:32<Ormie>it's debian 6.0
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06:33<pparadis>pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list here: http://paste.debian.net
06:33<pparadis>also, are you following some ubuntu tutorial?
06:33<Ormie>i am going to upgrade the kernel version to: 2.6.38-2
06:33<pparadis>Ormie: please answer the previous question.
06:33<Ormie>ok
06:34<Ormie>http://paste.debian.net/176071/
06:35<pparadis>and you are attempting to install "cheese" am i correct?
06:36<Ormie>i want to enable support for WiFi devices based on Realtek 802.11n chipsets on Debian systems, which i need firmware and get it from backports and the firmware needs to be on new kernel
06:37<pparadis>are you sure you don't need this package? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek
06:37<Ormie>um...
06:37<Ormie>dpkg told me to go to another page.
06:37<dpkg>no idea, Ormie
06:38<Ormie>pparadis, i would install everything from apt-get
06:38<Ormie>dpkg, boo
06:38*dpkg dies from a heart attack thanks to ormie
06:39<Ormie>pparadis, are you there, right now the problem is the kernel.
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06:39<pparadis>Ormie: perhaps you should install the kernel from backports as per what i said above, and then install the realtek firmware package for it.
06:39<pparadis>have you installed the updated kernel from backports?
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06:42<Ormie>pparadis, i told you i have this problem:
06:43<Ormie>E: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6.38-amd64
06:43<Ormie>E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-2.6.38-amd64'
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06:43<deChanger>why is my connection slow?
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06:44<Ormie>pparadis, there?
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06:45<pparadis>Ormie: please pastebin exactly the commands you are using.
06:46<Ormie>pparadis, this is the command i use: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-amd64
06:46<Ormie>and that's the kernel version i want.
06:46<pparadis>Ormie: i did you give you that command.
06:46<pparadis>and that is not a valid package in the repositories.
06:47<freakydeaky>wat
06:47<pparadis>why do you need that specific kernel version? what guide are you trying to follow?
06:47<pparadis>Ormie: i have explained what you likely need to do. you are not doing it.
06:47<Ormie>oh, ok
06:47<Ormie>i will try
06:48<freakydeaky>what packages are included nowadays?
06:48<Ormie>i got spanked!
06:48<freakydeaky>i bet some of them are forks.
06:48<pparadis>freakydeaky: everything on --> http://packages.debian.org
06:48<freakydeaky>k tnx.
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06:48*pparadis goes to smoke.
06:48<Ormie>pparadis, will this upgrade linux kernel version: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6-amd64?
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06:49<Ormie>...
06:49<Ormie>nvm
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06:58<Ormie>done.
06:58<Ormie>now i shall restart.
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07:19<Ormie>i've done the firmware, now i have an un-upgradable debian!
07:20<Ormie>E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
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07:25<ompaul>what does aptitude update && apt-get upgrade suggest?
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07:25<Ormie>ompaul is here :D
07:26<ompaul>that's why he gave out on other channel
07:26<ompaul>I flick between them as to many others here
07:26<ompaul>so answer the question, I think you will need paste.debian.net to paste the result in
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07:27<Ormie>ok, here is the problem i later experienced:
07:28<Ormie>There is another process using the apt resourses which there are none using it. :o
07:28<Ormie>what can i do?
07:28<ompaul>later when?
07:28<ompaul>after your reboot?
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07:29<ompaul>you can answer the questions faster
07:29<ompaul>that is what you can do
07:30<ompaul>some random amount of time has passed
07:31<ompaul>we are now in excess of two minutes since I asked later when - after the reboot and still no answer
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07:31<ompaul>this is not good
07:31<ompaul>!dpkg volunteers
07:31<dpkg>Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help.
07:31<ompaul>Ormie: read that and reply to my first question if you please
07:32<ompaul>nor is not answering the questions they ask that does not go down too well
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07:34<perlwizard>if I have two physical graphics cards, would I be able to completely "give" one of them to a qemu-kvm guest ?
07:36<pparadis>perlwizard: what you're describing is device passthough, more specifically PCI passthrough, and i believe it's considered pretty experimental at this stage with KVM.
07:36<Ormie>ompaul, sorry! i was doing chores!
07:36<Ormie>:P
07:36<Ormie>so what do i do?
07:36<perlwizard>pparadis I see
07:36<perlwizard>thanks...
07:37<pparadis>perlwizard: here's some fedora docs that describe doing it with KVM. i virtualize all my stuff with KVM, but honestly haven't had the need to investigate passthrough myself --> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/Virtualization_Guide/chap-Virtualization-PCI_passthrough.html
07:37<Ormie>i'll come back later.
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07:37<pparadis>perlwizard: it may be further along / easier than i'm thinking.
07:38<perlwizard>I'll read that
07:38<perlwizard>thanks pparadis
07:38<pparadis>sure thing
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07:52<ofc>who can help me with packages?
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07:54<SynrG>!ask
07:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:54<ofc>please, i'm as kniving sophisticated as some dudes.
07:54<SynrG>not asking for sophistication, just details, please :)
07:54<ofc>care to fix them for me?
07:55<SynrG>can't say. you haven't given any details yet ...
07:55<ompaul>telepathy says ... no idea what's wrong
07:55<ofc>am i talking to a bot?
07:55<SynrG>no, you're talking to impatient volunteers who want to know your question
07:55<ofc>yeperoo.
07:55<ompaul>are you going to say what it is you want to do
07:56<ofc>i want to expand my creativity with others.
07:56<ompaul> please fill in the blanks: I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___."
07:56<ofc>well, i'm not so desperate.
07:56<ompaul>we need to know your problem
07:57<ompaul>you are not telling us
07:57<ofc>sources.
07:57<ompaul>we can't help
07:57<ofc>tf am i here for then?
07:57<ompaul>details please lots of them
07:57<ompaul>!sunday
07:57<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
07:57<ofc>ompaul: stop being ignorant.
07:58<ompaul>ofc: I don't know, give us a clue!
07:58<ofc>well for starters, we can point to where sources lead when packages are produced.
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07:58<ompaul>!mirrors
07:58<dpkg>Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list> and <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
07:59<pparadis>ofc: what does that even mean?
07:59<ofc>too many mirrors. they aren't even part of the dev team.
07:59<SynrG>cryptic. but ompaul's guess is as good as any
07:59<ompaul>SynrG: I thought that :)
07:59<abrotman>ofc: what's your native language?
07:59<ofc>french.
07:59<abrotman>!fr
07:59<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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08:00<ofc>thanks abrotman.
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08:01<ompaul>abrotman: how did you work that out?
08:02*SynrG bows to abrotman
08:02<SynrG>superior telepathy skills
08:02<ompaul>there is that
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08:03<abrotman>ompaul: the part that he couldn't speak english? or that i should ask what his native language was?
08:03<ompaul>the latter more than the former
08:04<SynrG>he used just enough english colloquialisms that i didn't suspect he was a non-native english speaker
08:04<abrotman>ompaul: whois on his IP said .ph .. I've never been there, but IRC experience tends toward they don't speak english very well
08:04<ompaul>ah
08:05<abrotman>at least he was receptive to going to a native language channel
08:06<misery>.ph?
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08:07<abrotman>Phillipines
08:07<abrotman>but spelled correctly :)
08:07<misery>wierd. pretty sure they dont speak french there.
08:07<misery>also, that was right i think :)
08:07<perlwizard>ip != person
08:07<abrotman>no, but islands nearby do, he could have moved? .. I heard that happens sometimes
08:07<misery>good point
08:07<abrotman>misery: no, it's phillippines .. two Ps
08:08<misery>and 1 l :)
08:08<abrotman>no, two
08:08<misery>bah
08:10<plantigrade>abrotman: he speaks even less french than english ... :/
08:10<misery>heh. told you :P
08:10<abrotman>plantigrade: seriously?
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08:10<abrotman>plantigrade: not my fault if he lied!
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08:11<plantigrade>abrotman: no problem, i figured ...
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08:51<JackShephard>hello, your pc there is so much to start because DHCPDISCOVER .. can you tell me how to disable it?
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08:56<Apollo>JackShephard: ehm, what?
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09:09<cusco>hi
09:09<JackShephard>apollo i have problem in boot dhcpdscver
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09:10<Apollo>JackShephard: what's the problem exactly?
09:11<Apollo>!it
09:11<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:19<misery>why arent those language messages *in* the language they support?
09:19<JackShephard>apollo boot is slove cause dhcspdiscver
09:20<Apollo>misery: they are...
09:20<Apollo>JackShephard: Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano.
09:21<JackShephard>apollo in #debian-it they don't answer me
09:21<misery>so wait
09:21<Apollo>^ that
09:21<Apollo>patience is key
09:21<misery>we cant understand you. 'slove' isnt even an english word for example
09:22<Apollo>your translations make it impossible for me to even remotely GUESS what the actual problem is
09:22<abrotman>is he using network-manager? /etc/network/interfaces ?
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09:24<JackShephard>apollo boot is slow because it stops on DHCPDISCOVER .. and then says no dhcp offers ...
09:24<JackShephard>I do not have these problems in testing,., I would like to disable this when you start looking for dhcp
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09:24<Apollo>JackShephard: do you use dhcp on your network, or static ip?
09:25<abrotman>is he using network-manager? /etc/network/interfaces ?
09:25<CaBa>can lightdm memorize the last used desktop environment? and if so, where does it store the information?
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09:27<JackShephard>apollo static
09:27<M-T>Hello everybody, does anybody give me some hints or tell me how I can find out if my kernel supports fb Console Rotation!?
09:27<Apollo>Are you using a network-manager?
09:28<M-T>Would be great to get some help please.
09:28<JackShephard>but pc connect on the net, throug network manager.. gui
09:28<Apollo>then I have no idea, maybe abrotman knows
09:28<JackShephard>the problem is in the boot, before start DE
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09:29<JackShephard>abrotman is here?
09:29<Apollo>http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#UsingDHCPtoautomaticallyconfiguretheinterface
09:29<Apollo>read that
09:29<misery>hes asked you twice already if you use network-manager
09:29<Apollo>especially the section: Configuring the interface manually
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09:31<JackShephard>ok
09:31<abrotman>i asked a few questions .. never answered
09:31<abrotman>have him paste /etc/network/interfaces to start
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09:31<Apollo>abrotman: since he uses network-manager, it's overridden
09:32<abrotman>depends
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09:32<JackShephard>abrotman help me :(
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09:33<misery>...with your magical ESP skills!
09:33<JackShephard>abrotman do you want to see my paste /etc/network/interfaces?
09:34<ompaul>JackShephard: you were asked questions time and again by people and you didn't answer. http://paste.debian.net for your pastes
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09:36<JackShephard>ompaul when him asked me?
09:36<ompaul>[14:31:12] <abrotman> have him paste /etc/network/interfaces to start
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09:38<JackShephard>ok
09:38<ompaul>JackShephard: it now almost 10 more minutes, what is your problem you can't respond straight away?
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09:39<misery>ompaul, take it easy... ever learned a new language, its hard to construct sentences quickly
09:39<Apollo>misery: there's no need for him to get help in english
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09:40<misery>indeed, but thats what hes chosen, apparently :(
09:40<Apollo>he's choosing to get help here, because they don't react quickly enough to his liking in -it
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09:40<M-T>Hello Everybody, I would like to rotate my console display e.g. tty1 tty2 tty3 etc. but does not find the right solution in the web! Does anybody have experience with such a topic and might be able to help me sorting this out?
09:40<ompaul>and it's far from optimal
09:40<pparadis>JackShephard: apt-get update && apt-get install -y pastebinit && cat /etc/network/interfaces | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net -a JackShepard
09:40<Apollo>so I think it's reasonable that we have some expectations
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09:41<JackShephard>abrotman http://paste.debian.net/176086/
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09:42<JackShephard>sorry
09:42<misery>M-T, what does 'rotate console' mean exactly?
09:43<JackShephard>abrotman ppaaradis do you read my pastebin?
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09:46<ompaul>JackShephard: that is a good file, it does not need editing. I will only let you get network from wired connection.
09:47<M-T>misery, don't understand your question! But with rotate console I mean having the fbconsole rotated for monitor pivot mode. fbconsole is started after grub2 is booting when I'm correct under current stable!?
09:47<ompaul>JackShephard: if you are not getting an address is it something to do with a router, or wiring.
09:48<misery>M-T, you mean your monitor is sideways? heh. no idea. i doubt its supported
09:48<JackShephard>but it happens only with debian stable, testing with this research does not start
09:48<M-T>misery, right .... I'm using 3 monitors sideways.
09:48<misery>once X11 starts its easy, but you probably know how to do that
09:48<abrotman>JackShephard: comment out hte bottom two lines
09:48<ompaul>JackShephard: what only happens with debian stable?
09:49<M-T>misery, my standard X resolution spanned over this 3 monitors is 3600x1600.
09:49<misery>M-T, the fb is pretty basic, you cant expect much from it.
09:50<misery>especially during grub
09:50<M-T>misery, but this is X ... I only would like to see my console turned as well. Because its anoying to have it visible laying on the side ;).
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09:50<JackShephard>I like to comment? happens when you start with debian stable, in writing before the login appears dhcsdiscover .. Research and slowly the doors, then says nodhcp offers
09:51<M-T>misery, I found a lots of articles about people doing this but nothing works properly under debian! So it must be possible somehow.
09:51<misery>M-T, just turn the moniters the right way up, you whacko! :)
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09:51<abrotman>i already gave him the solution
09:51<JackShephard>abrotman what i read in/etc/network/interfaces?
09:52<AgentC>HI. I have several problems with my squeeze installation. since i changed harddrive out of malfunction. most packages are running,but some parts does not work , like cups-driver (worked before) and some errors on policy-rc.d and so on. could anyone advice me ?
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09:52<M-T>misery, if you would have a setup like me and use it for a week you would never like to give it away anymore (whackooo ;))
09:52<misery>M-T, fbcon=rotate:<n> from: http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/fb/fbcon.txt
09:52<misery>M-T, that wont do it in grub though
09:53<misery>probably
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09:53<M-T>misery, right this is what I found till now ...
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09:54<JackShephard>abrotman I do not understand. I'm sorry but I have problems with English and Italian do not help me
09:54<JackShephard>abrotman i would write hte ?
09:55<M-T>misery, I use GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="fbcon=rotate:3"
09:55<M-T>misery, this does not work yet :(.
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09:55<perlwizard>can debian use two identical monitors at the same time?
09:56<misery>M-T, update-grub has been run?
09:56<M-T>misery, yes sure.
09:56<misery>M-T, again, *grub* will probably not rotate. its a stripped down version of the real fb driver
09:57<SynrG>perlwizard: unless i'm missing some issue you're aware of and i'm not, i don't see how that's any different from using two monitors at the same time regardless (i mean, what does 'identical' have to do with it?)
09:57<Apollo>JackShephard: you need to put '#' before the last 2 lines in that file
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09:58<M-T>misery, how can I see which FB driver is loaded? Because I red on a Gentoo forum that you would need console rotation support via the kernel.
09:58<pparadis>perlwizard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIuhpozFk-8
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09:58<JackShephard>ok.. thanks apollo.. and hte?
09:58<misery>perlwizard, investigate Xcinerama?
09:58<misery>M-T, theres only 1... uuuh. lsmod?
09:59<Apollo>JackShephard: then you reboot and see if there's still a problem
09:59<perlwizard>awesome
09:59<SynrG>perlwizard: if you mean, what appears on one monitor appears on the other, that's just xrandr --shared
09:59<JackShephard>ok apollo
09:59<perlwizard>no, I meant normal setup
09:59<M-T>misery, ... root@linux:~> zcat /proc/config.gz|grep -i framebuffer
09:59<M-T>CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y
09:59<M-T># CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_DETECT_PRIMARY is not set
09:59<M-T>CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_ROTATION=y
09:59-!-M-T was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
09:59<SynrG>er, wait, that's not the option
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09:59<misery>M-T, if you are still having problems after the boot, check that it even is using the fb. This is easy for me, since ...
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09:59<pparadis>perlwizard: if you mean like the setup in that youtube video, i do recommend better monitors ;)
10:00<ompaul>misery: mt is kicked
10:00<SynrG>perlwizard: what is normal?
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10:00<perlwizard>a guy at $work (ubuntu user) told me, if I want to use dual monitors I should use two different models
10:00<perlwizard>because they can get confused
10:00<SynrG>and the option i was thinking of is --same-as
10:00<M-T>Sorry, that was too long :) ...
10:00<perlwizard>so I'm just confirming
10:00<pparadis>SynrG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIuhpozFk-8 <-- like that, complete with that catchy soundtrack!
10:00<sney>perlwizard: that sounds like something an ubuntu user would say
10:00<M-T>misery, what do you mean with your last message!?
10:00<SynrG>perlwizard: i don't know why xrandr shouldn't see different monitors as different outputs
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10:00<misery>perlwizard, *monitors* are irrelevant. Video boards on the other hand...
10:01<misery>M-T, if you are still having problems after the boot, check that it even is using the fb. This is easy for me, since the font size changes to tiny unreadable size
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10:02<misery>if it stays nice big characters, its probably not doing fb
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10:03<SynrG>perlwizard: re the youtube vid pparadis linked, yeah, --right-of or --left-of. one would be VGA1 and the other would be VGA2. what they're called is determined by the graphics board & driver, not by what monitor is plugged in
10:04<perlwizard>ok
10:04<perlwizard>thanks
10:04<M-T>misery, then fb starts much later in the boot proces what I also already thought about but from that moment on it should turn. But I does not. So actually my problem is also to understand when in the boot process is used what for displaying.
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10:06<misery>M-T, i think if you do it right, it loads fb right after memory check. If your grub arguments are working, it should rotate nearly immediately.
10:07<misery>M-T, i dont use this, but it may be that it needs an extra bit of the driver installed. Investigate what the gentoo guys said.
10:07<M-T>Right, I was just about it ;) ....
10:07<misery>seems logical they would remove this 'junk' from standard driver.
10:08<misery>considering space is an issue at this time, usually
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10:10<M-T>misery, ... this is because debian runs on sooooo much small devices right (sarcasm).... ;) ... or why you call it junk and or state space is an issue!?
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10:11<M-T>misery, just want to understand the theory behind it which might help me in the future to find my way more swiftly.
10:11<misery>M-T, very few people are crazy enough to have their monitors on their sides. Also the kernel has just 640K to get its feet in, then only a couple of megs to get loaded.
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10:12<misery>its Billy Gates shit, blame it on him :P
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10:13<pparadis>misery: you've just gotta remember to use loadhigh in your autoexec.bat or devicehigh in your config.sys, duh.
10:13<misery>yah, that extra 64K makes all the difference.
10:13<pparadis>:D
10:14<kaizoku>my laptop fn keys aren't working. Any suggestions? I'm running testing.
10:15<pparadis>kaizoku: what kind of laptop do you have?
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10:19<pparadis>kaizoku: ???
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10:23<misery>M-T, btw, im guessing whats happening there is that the kernel has the stripped down fb built in (or none at all), but later it loads the full module with rotate support from disk, thus you dont get it immediately.
10:25<M-T>misery, this seem plausible but then how can I tell the full fb driver which is loaded in your theory later to turn my display ...
10:25<M-T>misery, how can I get the full fb back into my kernel do I need to load a module or do I need to recompile my kernel which I never really did before.
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10:26<misery>if its not doing that already, then i dont know... somehowe those grub kernel args arent getting to it.
10:26<kaizoku>pparadis: (sorry, was googling for answers) I have a brand new asus. suspend to ram and resume worked out of the box
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10:26<misery>M-T, maybe they changed the arguments for your kernel version? check against that
10:27<misery>hmm, do modules pick up kernel line args?
10:27<misery>i dont think they do...?
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10:27<misery>anyone?
10:28<M-T>misery, I check my kernel now .... is there a good docu I can follow?
10:28<pparadis>kaizoku: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/eeepc-acpi-scripts
10:28<pparadis>kaizoku: and also maybe http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=72159
10:28<misery>M-T, /usr/src/linux-2.x.x/Documentation/fb/fbcon.txt?
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10:30<misery>M-T, i just realized that *maybe* when you load modules, it doesnt pick up the kernel arguments, so you might have to add fbcon=rotate...bla bla to /etc/modules or something
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10:31<kaizoku>pparadis: thanks, but I don't have any eepc laptop. By the way, one thing I don't understand is that my sister's laptop, a couple of months older, all the keys worked fine out of the box. What exactly is the package that is responsible for this?
10:31<pparadis>kaizoku: you should probably tell us exactly what model of laptop you have.
10:31<pparadis>it matters.
10:31<pparadis>there is no "one" package that deals with this stuff.
10:31<M-T>misery, I guess ... /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/Documentation/fb/framebuffer.txt for 2.6.32-5-amd64!?
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10:31<misery>that'd be the one!
10:32<kaizoku>pparadis: Asus N56VZ
10:32<M-T>misery, thanks for now. Will do some more research and might be back later ;) ... have a good day/night.
10:33<misery>good luck
10:33<M-T>thx
10:34<pparadis>kaizoku: for that laptop, i have no idea.
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10:36<pparadis>kaizoku: you might try the eeepc-acpi-scripts stuff anyhow. maybe they used the same hardware interface for your model.
10:38<kaizoku>ok, I'll try it
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10:39<misery>M-T, fyi: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linuxboot/
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10:50<misery>pparadis, so... hows that perfect system you ordered for me coming along? :)
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10:51<pparadis>misery: i have actually poked around, but am trying to get some code slammed out at the moment :)
10:52<misery>damn. fair enough.
10:53<misery>'slamming' code cant be good though. its like a woman... requires a gentle touch.
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10:53<pparadis>this code wants it rough.
10:53<misery>haha
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10:53<misery>its VBasic isnt it? :P
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10:58<pparadis>misery: i just threw up a little in my mouth, thanks.
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12:30<nimfa>ïðèâåò, ìàëü÷èêè! :)
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12:47<grandie>need some help with gnome, is there a special channel for that?
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12:48<ompaul>grandie: if it's on debian please say what version of debian and gnome and what the specific problem is
12:49<engla>there is #gnome on freenode too
12:49<ethang>guys - having trouble with mysql since recent upgrades. Anybody got any fixes?
12:49<grandie>wheezy and gnome 3
12:49<ompaul>ethang: you might like to say what versions of debian and mysql versions are involved
12:50<ompaul>grandie: and the specific problem
12:50<ethang>current debian release and mysql-server-5.1
12:50<ompaul>ethang: uname -a says what?
12:51<grandie>got 2 monitors that worked seperately
12:51<ethang>Linux asuslaptop 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 3 21:40:57 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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12:51<geehlewd>Hey
12:52<grandie>sorry, got 2 monitors when trying to set them up my mouse gets locked in 1 and I cannot get it to function.
12:52<ethang>hey
12:52<geehlewd>Any idea why copy and paste dosn't work between programs(or in programs...)?
12:52<ethang>geehlewd: which programs?
12:52<geehlewd>I've made my system from scratch, installed debian without de and wm.
12:52<ompaul>ethang: what sub versions
12:53<geehlewd>IRSSI, terminal, vim, iceweasel, thunar etc
12:53<ethang>ompaul: subversions of what?
12:53<ompaul>of the mysql server
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12:53<ethang>oh OK hang on
12:53<ompaul>.1. ...
12:54<ethang>ompaul: 5.1.63-0+squeeze1
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12:54<ompaul>ethang: go read release notes for that change from whre you started
12:54<ethang>OK
12:54<ompaul>I have to go out; dump data and reimport is one way
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12:56<geehlewd>Any idea?
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13:02<Lantizia>Lo, I've got an image of a vfat partition as a file... how can I without being root extract the contents of it? (normally I'd use mount -o loop but I'm not root)
13:03<ethang>apt can't configure the mysql-server upgrade.
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13:14<jacob_>do u add facebook to skype 4.0
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13:20<ethang>Has anybody had trouble with the latest mysql-server (5.1) failing to complete installation
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13:27<geehlewd>A dude sent me a .tar.xf file, how do i unzip it?
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13:41<engla>geehlewd: is it a typo for xz?
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13:51<mikic>HEllo
13:51<mikic>I need help
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13:55<realmasa>hello guys, I am shopping parts for a new computer, does anyone have experience with this motherboard component : "VIA VT2021 Audio Chipset" ?
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13:58<dtw>realmasa, you can search for compatibility information from <http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/>. Find your motherboard there and see what information it gives.
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14:00<realmasa>thanks!
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14:04<realmasa>looks like there is no information available, the specific product is the mainboard "Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H"
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14:05<realmasa>none of the similar mainboards on your site even list the via vt 2021
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14:06<craigevil>VIA sound chip should work with no problems
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14:07<realmasa>how is this handeled ? i checked the via linux support pages and they don't list any drivers for this chip, so i am sceptical
14:07<realmasa>or are there like generic modules for sound ? I'm not that deep into linux
14:09<craigevil>either in the kernel or by alsa, via is in both, /sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec-via.ko
14:10<realmasa>okay, I've done some reading and it seems like the chip in question has been around for a while. I guess I should be fine ... I just wonder why they didn't put in a generic realtek instead of this ~_~
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14:11<ompaul>the mind set of a motherboard company - this is cheap or is it high end
14:11<ung>realmasa: on Z77, you could also check asrock extreme 4 or professional
14:12<ung>realmasa: + they support well xen (vt-d)
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14:12<realmasa>yeah, I've read about them it's just that I trust the gigabyte brand more and I also like the visual appearance better :P
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14:14<realmasa>btw, now that you bring up virtualization
14:14<M-T>misery: got it working now with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="fbcon=rotate:3" but as soon I give another parameter for example vga=... It does not turn anymore. So partial success.
14:14<realmasa>in the back of my head i remember someone mentioned there would be issues with the ivy bridge cpus, and this feature. I can't remember it correctly.
14:15<M-T>misery: wired for me ... but OK better then nothing for now. Going to dig furhter into this maybe I also can get on monitor one tty3 and then on the second one tty4 etc .... would be really nice/cool.
14:15<ung>realmasa: do you mean issue with vt-d ?
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14:16<realmasa>ung: yes, wait, let me try and dig it out before I confuse myself and you
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14:16<ung>realmasa: ivybridge non K cpu support vt-d, 3770 support it, 3770k doesnt
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14:17<realmasa>oh right, it was the K variants
14:17<realmasa>you really know your stuff :P
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14:17<ung>I bought my computer for debian and xen :)
14:18<realmasa>so this has been tested with asrock mainboards ? because I'm definetly going to run some vm's
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14:18<ung>realmasa: you do not need VT-D to run vm's
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14:18<realmasa>yeah but doesn't it give access to your gpu and stuff
14:19<ung>realmasa: it's to exemple, PCI-Passthrough your videocard
14:19<realmasa>so you could have better performance in the virtual os
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14:20<ung>realmasa: z77 asrock extreme 4 has been confirmed and I can confirm you that z77 asrock professional works (it's what I use)
14:20<ung>the others, I'm not sure
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14:21<realmasa>okay, but .. vt-d is a feature of the cpu not the mainboard, correct ? Because I am reading trough the specification of Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H right now and I can't catch any marketing mumbo jambo advertising this ...
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14:22<ung>gigabyte say that they support vt-d, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't (it's not cause you see vt-d in the bios that they support it)
14:22<ung>but you need vt-d to work in the motherboard and cpu
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14:22<ung>if your board doesnt support it but your processor yes, it wont works
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14:25<realmasa>hmm the extreme4 is actually in my price range, and it has realtek audio. i will have to reconsider
14:25<realmasa>well I have to leave now, you have my thanks :)
14:26<realmasa>cya folks
14:26<ung>welcome
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14:41<M-T>Hello, I do have a short question! Does anybody know where in Debian Stable the fbcon resolutions are set. When I use fbset I only have one video mode available. Under /sys/class/graphics/fb0/modes I only have U:800x600p-75! How can I extend this values I would like to have 1600x1200 for example. thx in advanced.
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14:44<M-T>Oh, by the way I use within the /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="fbcon=rotate:3" for rotation! Not sure if this is has a affect on the resolution list!?
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14:54<musca>M-T: i'm setting the resolution for textmode from grub2
14:55<Guest1059>I was setting up debian for someone and I had to add the options "noapic nolapic nomodeset" to get the USB and Video to not fuck up?
14:55<musca>!tell M-T about grub2 squeeze
14:55<dtw>/etc/default/grub: GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1280x1024
14:55<musca>M-T: http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2
14:56<musca>find valid resolutions at the pure grub2 cmdline: vbeinfo
14:56<musca>it depends on your hardware and may need firmware
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14:58<musca>!kms
14:58<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting
14:58<musca>,kernels
14:58<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
14:59<M-T><dtw> I got it like this .... but it was not working GRUB_GFXMODE=1600x1200
14:59<M-T># GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD=keep
14:59<Guest1059>oh I found an onboard GPU that hates nouveau
14:59<Guest1059>same machine
14:59<dtw>GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX + update-grub works here.
14:59<musca>nomodeset wont work with squeeze' standardkernel
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14:59<M-T><dtw> sure without the # ;) ... when using just the same resoltuion as mentioned under GRUB_GFXMODE It was not working anymore.
15:00<Guest1059>It would hang with garbage output as soon as X loaded
15:00<Guest1059>I ended up having to use the blob
15:00<Guest1059>I'm not sure nomodeset even had an effect, it was noapic that seemed to be the real gold nugget
15:00<M-T><dtw> I will test it again and see whats happening. I have changed already some stuff for having the rotation work properly and I don't know if the behavior has been changed.
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15:01<Guest1059>I never tried without nomodeset as I ran out of time with the client
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15:01<M-T><dtw>,<musca> thanks for the little hint.
15:01<dtw>If I remember correctly there needs to be the _LINUX suffix. Just GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD didn't work.
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15:03<musca>M-T: my nvidia vga supports 1280x800, i've put this in /etc/default/grub
15:04<musca>GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x800
15:04<musca>GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1280x800x32
15:04<M-T><dtw> Hehe, please let me know if you remember. I have red already a lot about it and its already confusing because a lot of stuff is old and or not properly documented and in forums often are stuff not well described or not working ....
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15:05<M-T><musca> I do use the AMD Radeon HD6950 with the latest catalyst driver.
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15:06<musca>wich kernel do you use? uname -a
15:06<M-T>Rebooted today more then 10 times ... my debian machine is already ashamed ... :-D
15:06<M-T><musca> 2.6.32-5-amd64
15:07<musca>high uptime is oldfashioned and still overrated
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15:10<M-T><musca> the GRUB_GFXMODE value is only running with the grub bootmenu and there I use 1600x1200 and I could not turn the display yet .... Is this because the not supported resolution!? That it falls back to the 800x600 one or is the value for the grub menu only?
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15:11<M-T><musca> After the grub boot menu I get the fbcon with 800x600 turned 270°.
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15:14<M-T><musca> Will be away now for a couple of hours, do more testing and reading tomorrow. thx for now. If you have further input just let me know here. I will read it later then. Thank you and also again to <dtw>
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15:35<beanpole>i cannot install debian live cd 6.0.4 it says grub installation failed
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15:38<lluis>hello
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15:40<beanpole> i cannot install debian live cd 6.0.4 it says grub installation failed
15:40<beanpole>ny help hello :D
15:40<lluis>in debian squezee if i create a file called psmouse.conf will have the same effect if i call it psmouse.modprobe.conf ?
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15:41<bilbilak>Italia Italia
15:41<beanpole>www.ubuntu.com
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15:45<Apollo>!it
15:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:45<Apollo>bilbilak: ^^
15:45<bilbilak>Beanpole? So what?
15:45<bilbilak>I dont speak Italian
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15:46<Apollo>if someone comes in here, shouting italia italia, they usually do
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16:45<jparkton>Ok at least irssi installs
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16:47<jparkton>for some reason trying to install xchat awntsto rmeov all my xorg and gnome anyone kno why? This is a recent upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze
16:48<jparkton>and irssi has some strange autocorrect as well since that sentence looks like I typed it with my feet
16:48<sney_>it might just be removing the lenny xorg and gnome from before the upgrade, they don't get purged so aptitude thinks it can "remove" them
16:48<jparkton>it also wants to remove my epiphany and all my menu items
16:49<sney_>!bat
16:49<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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16:49<jparkton>mkey
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16:50<sney_>jparkton: add your sources.list to that paste as well
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16:50<jparkton>k
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16:52<jparkton>this is the output of apt-get install xchat
16:52<jparkton>http://paste.debian.net/176130/
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16:55<sheap>is anyone good with apache/html?
16:56<sney_>!anyone
16:56<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
16:56<jparkton>http://paste.debian.net/176131
16:56<jparkton>sources.list
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16:58<sney_>and apt-cache policy xchat and apt-get policy gnome-core
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16:58<sney_>er, apt-cache on both of those
16:58<jparkton>ok
16:58<sheap>ok. I have an apache server. It uses 192.168.x.xx. When I start it in my browser it looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/nhA7p.png. but when I open index.html from the /var/www/ directory, it looks like this. http://i.imgur.com/TkowY.png. is it something I have to change with apache?
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17:01<jparkton>http://paste.debian.net/176134/
17:01<jparkton>xchat policy
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17:02<jparkton>http://paste.debian.net/176135/
17:02<jparkton>gnome-core policy
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17:03<sney_>ok, your upgrade didn't finish. the gnome-core that you have installed is the one from lenny. so when you install xchat, it depends on newer gtk components, which conflict with the ones that lenny gnome depends on, so lenny gnome gets removed
17:04<jparkton>ahh
17:04<jparkton>ok
17:04<jparkton>so how do I finish the upgrade?
17:04<sney_>what kernel are you running? uname -r
17:04<jparkton>or check what didnt complete
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17:05<jparkton>2.6.32-5-686
17:05<sney_>ok, and what version of udev do you have
17:05<sney_>(dpkg -l udev)
17:05<jparkton>cat somethin?
17:05<jparkton>k
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17:06<jparkton>http://paste.debian.net/176136/
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17:06<sney_>ok, apt-get install udev, then reboot, then apt-get dist-upgrade
17:07<jparkton>NIN rawks \m/ just sayin
17:07<jparkton>ok
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17:08<jparkton>are my repos ok? I keep getting the packages cant authentiate
17:08<gustavokuklinski>;D
17:08<sney_>jparkton: you need the newer debian-keyring; it'll install automatically when you run apt-get dist-upgrade later, or you can install it now; it doesn't make a difference
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17:08<jparkton>also the error about $LC and LOCALE even though I have run dpkg reconfigure locale (following the upgrade notes from release of squeeze chapter 4)
17:09<sney_>jparkton: also, remove the ftp.debian.org repository, it's not the main repository, ftp.us is more than sufficient
17:09<jparkton>sney_: I tried that and it says I have the newest version yet it keeps telling me packages cant authenticate
17:10<jparkton>is it because of the mixing of lenny and squeeze?
17:10<jparkton>k
17:10<sney_>anything that says "warning" can be ignored as long as software is working normally
17:10<sney_>you can try apt-get -t squeeze install udev
17:10<jparkton>ok just want to be safe
17:10<jparkton>orlly?
17:10<jparkton>I can specify the distro to pull from?
17:11<sney_>yes
17:11<sney_>don't mix anything else with stable though
17:11<jparkton>man I learn something new everyday on linux lol
17:11<sney_>also, make sure you run apt-get update any time you edit your sources.list
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17:12<jparkton>ok udev installed now reboot?
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17:13<sney_>yep
17:13<jparkton>and after login run apt-get install dist-upgrade?
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17:13<sney_>no install, just apt-get dist-upgrade
17:13<jparkton>ok
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17:13<jparkton>lets see how this goes lol
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17:24<jparkton>ok when I want to apt-get dist-upgrade it wants to remove a lot of gnome stuff
17:24<jparkton>is it ok?
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17:25<jparkton>http://paste.debian.net/176140/
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17:27<jparkton>sney_: you still here?
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17:30<sney_>jparkton: I'm here
17:30<sney_>jparkton: dist-upgrade is going to remove and replace a lot of things. that's normal
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17:41<jparkton>welcome yall
17:41<jparkton>:)
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18:30<jparkton>sney_: when running apt-get dist-upgrade I get this http://paste.debian.net/176148/
18:30<jparkton>so did it finish? Or did it halt due to errors
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18:36<kaizoku__>jparkton: you should have updated your package list before running dist upgrade
18:36<jparkton>I did
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18:38<devil>jparkton: just try again, this is usualy a hickup
18:38<beanpole>hello guys i am thinking about installing debian 6 can u give me some advantages of debian over other distros
18:38<devil>beanpole: it's better.
18:38<beanpole>can i install it from live cd?
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18:39<kaizoku__>beanpole: aptitude is the best package manager out there :)
18:39<devil>nah, apt is ;)
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18:39<beanpole>what about pacman ?? :D
18:40<jparkton>chainload the GRUB is going to run the newer grub menu and replace the old one right?
18:40<jparkton>or is it going to use the legacy grub
18:40<beanpole>should i download this live cd 6.0.4 or should i wait for debian 7 ?? with gnome 3 :D
18:40<kaizoku__>beanpole: there is debian live release
18:41<beanpole>ok
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18:41<beanpole>when will debian wheezy launch ny ideas?
18:41<kaizoku__>beanpole: that's up to you if you want to wait or not... how old is your HW?
18:42<jparkton>http://paste.debian.net/176149/ is this ok? Its giving me a prompt do I need to put in anything or just press enter?
18:43<beanpole>which debian should i go for it has sid testing wheezy squeeze ?
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18:44<kaizoku__>jparkton: I would check the mentioned files to see if you have any options there that should be included and are not.... btw, it wouldn't be a bad idea to backup your grub.cfg
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18:44<kaizoku__>beanpole: squeeze is stable and will work great if you're HW is not that recent. If you have a recent computer (like < 1 year), try wheezy
18:45<beanpole>my spec is this dual core e2160 nvidia 7300 gt 2 gb ram
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18:46<kaizoku__>beanpole: but wheezy (aka testing) debian live cd may not be 100% operational... I can't say. If you have virtualbox, give it a go first there before burning the cd
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18:46<beanpole>u reccommend squeeze
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18:47<kaizoku__>beanpole: that really doesn't answer because there is the issue of drivers from net, wireless, etc. How old is that computer?
18:47<beanpole>i have adsl-pppoe
18:47<beanpole>no wireless
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18:51<jparkton>ok its asking me to quit all desktop environments
18:51<jparkton>is that normal?
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18:56<kaizoku__>jparkton: yes
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18:57<jparkton>how do I kill desktop and keep my terminals?
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19:00<s_i_m>jparkton, as soon as the X server process dies the clients will die too
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19:01<jparkton>so may as well quit now and just let it work
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19:02<s_i_m>mmm... perhaps, he got me wrong :[
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19:29<lancelot_of>hi there
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19:30<lancelot_of>i'd like to install kernel 2.6.32 of the stable debian on my wheezy, but i find a lot of errors mainly due to gcc-4.3 dependencies, is it possible to install 2.6.32 on wheezy?how to?
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19:41<sney_>lancelot_of: why do you want to install an older kernel?
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19:42<lancelot_of>sney, maybe the reason is not important, the question is how to do, if it's possible to do..
19:43<jparkton>sney, upgrade went fine ish
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19:43<jparkton>when I boot up I get a message about if upgrade went well enter this in terminal but I cant copy it lol
19:44<jparkton>then udev puts out a lot of errors
19:44<sney_>lancelot_of: well, I would suggest downloading the .deb of the kernel from packages.debian.org and just installing it with dpkg -i, rather than trying to do it with apt. but if you are doing it because some hardware says it needs 2.6.32 that actually means it needs 2.6.32 or newer, so your 3.2 on wheezy will be just fine
19:44<sney_>jparkton: you can find your boot messages by running dmesg
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19:45<jparkton>k
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19:48<lancelot_of>sney, also doing it that way (downloading packages and installing them with dpkg -i) leads to the same errors and system broken dependencies
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19:49<craigevil>you more than likely cannot install a squeeze kernel on wheezy, it was built with older depends especially libc6 and gcc
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19:54<lancelot_of>craigevil, ok, it's a pity....but it's ok, thank you for your hint
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19:59<sabian_reloaded>Hey, is there a way I can have no password for my user but to make that, when I use sudo it requires a different password?
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20:02<engla>sabian_reloaded: sudo has a complex configuration file and it allows usign root password instead
20:02<sabian_reloaded>i would really like that, i'll look into it
20:03<jparkton>whats the command when you want to open a program like tcpdump or something that runs / monitors but have it open in a diff session and drop the original one to a command prompt again
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20:04<engla>sabian_reloaded: rootpw option in man sudoers
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20:13<jparkton>ok after the upgrade my theme looks like an old crappy Windows NT system or something how do I check my theme / icon settings?
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20:21<jparkton>how do you join the bug list so you get new bugs in RSS?
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20:22<abrotman>jparkton: i don't think there's an RSS feed for bugs .. and i doubt you want to subscribe to the mailing list where all bug activity goes
20:23<jparkton>true
20:23<jparkton>is there a way to subscribe to just new bugs?
20:26<sabian_reloaded>engla: forgot to reply.... made it. Thanks a lot!
20:26<abrotman>look around on lists.debian.org .. but i still don't think there's an RSS feed
20:28<jparkton>Oh cool
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20:39<jparkton>http://paste.debian.net/176155/
20:39<jparkton>whats up with that error?
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20:42<kop>jparkton: Is the bad ip yours?
20:43<jparkton>no
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20:46<sney>jparkton: try a different mirror
20:47<jparkton>k
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20:47<jparkton>actually all mirrors say that not just the security one
20:47<jparkton>its in a VM so might be my IP
20:47<jparkton>has to be
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20:51<s_i_m>jparkton, under X it is, for example, "xterm -e tcpdump -i wlan0 &" On the console you probably want to use "screen"
20:51<jparkton>ahh
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21:32<banana_fish>can anbody here help me with an old SunBlade1500, I can't get X to work
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22:18<johnnyquest>I just installed deb with lilo and crypted drive. First boot system is not asking to uncrypt the drive to boot it just kernel panics
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23:00<Techy2493>Hello
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23:16<Techy2493>Can anyone suggest a Virtualization method I can use to run autonamously once setup, and supports NAT or configuring multiple ip's from a single NIC, but does not require setting up a bridge? I was looking at KVM and Xen until I found out I can't use a bridge.
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23:19<pparadis>Techy2493: why can't you use a bridge?
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23:19<Techy2493>Apartently the datacenter I am using blocks them.. I wasn't aware when I signed a 1 year contract... Aparently I missed some fine print..
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23:21<pparadis>Techy2493: i think i know what they're actually doing. they're probably allowing/disallowing ARP traffic to your server NIC based on MAC. if you can assign multiple IPs to the server, you can use them for VMs as well, with a twist.
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23:22<pparadis>Techy2493: you'll probably need to take one of your available IPs and assign it directly to the host, enable IPv4 forwarding on the host, and use that IP as the gateway for your VMs.
23:23<pparadis>Techy2493: you can surely use multiple IPs on the host itself, and the setup described above fixes the likely issue you're actually facing. i'm assuming they don't forbid virtualization or anything, but the way they control ARP traffic is what's hosing you up.
23:24<pparadis>Techy2493: anyhow, this is probably veering offtopic for this chennl, but i think that should steer you in the right direction.
23:24<Techy2493>pparadis: Ok, I'll look into that. Unfortuantely if you are right on how they are blocking it it also means I've spent a week trying to figure out how to set up this bridge from your guide and failed miserably anyway...
23:24<pparadis>(note: the host already has to have an IP assigned to it of course, i mean assign _another_ IP to it separately to use as a gateway IP)
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23:25<pparadis>Techy2493: yeah, you probably didn't do anything "wrong" per se, it's just their side.
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23:26<pparadis>i've seen issues like that before.
23:26<pparadis>Techy2493: as a final note, tcpdump is a great tool for testing whether packets are going where you think they are or should.
23:27<Techy2493>pparadis: If I pm you a pastebin link of the bridge configruation I am using could you see if you see any major flaws in my thinking?
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23:27<pparadis>Techy2493: email would be better right now honestly, i'm trying to get some stuff written at the moment :)
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23:28<Techy2493>pparadis: Alright, I'll send it to the email on your guide.
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23:28<pparadis>Techy2493: i mean feeel free to pm me, i just can't promise i won't forget about that chat window for a while, and email is more "in my face" :)
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