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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-06-29

---Logopened Fri Jun 29 00:00:54 2012
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00:49<Osiris_X>anyone know why wine 1.5.6 on debian amd64 has gone down the route of requiring you to install 250mb's worth of i386 libraries?
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00:51<Osiris_X>previously I just compiled it on amd64 from source - without the need for i386 libraries - has something changed?
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03:52<univac>Hello
03:53<univac>I'm running Ubuntu but run Debian on another partition
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04:38<julian>hola
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05:13<sven>is there a way to avoid service restarts when doing apt-get install (to upgrade a package), or apt-get upgrade?
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05:20<themill>!policy-rc.d
05:20<dpkg>[policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt and <invoke-rc.d>. See http://ircbots.debian.net/scripts/policy-rc.d-forbid-dpkg for an example script that disables all daemon starts and stops during package installation -- tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised.
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05:28<sven>nice, thanks
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05:30<sven>brilliant stuff
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05:32<dupondje>Something odd here, added some diskspace to a virtual disk in VMWare
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05:32<themill>note that if you're running old copies of executables or libraries then whatever security update you've just installed isn't doing anything for you
05:32<dupondje>then I did: echo 1 > /sys/bus/scsi/devices/0\:0\:1\:0/rescan
05:32<dupondje>Now I see dmesg showing the new disk size, but fdisk still shows old disk size
05:32<dupondje>so i'm unable to extend the partition :s
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06:16<mongrol>ello?
06:17<Maulkin>!ask
06:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:31<backbox>hola
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06:32<Maulkin>!es-social
06:32<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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06:33<backbox>gracias
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06:48<brascopper>hello
06:48<brascopper>DALE CORINTIANS DALE DALEE
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07:02<tailf>noob question, but does anyone know why there are so many images listed on the debian downloads page? not sure which one to choose: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/bt-cd/
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07:06<sara>Hola
07:06<Maulkin>!es-social
07:06<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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07:07<Maulkin>tailf: Because Debian is that big :)
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07:07<cirrus_minor>talif depends what u need , if ur cpu is 64 bit enabled chosse that , if not 32 bit i recommend net installs
07:07<Maulkin>tailf: I would usually suggest http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/bt-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent
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07:08<sara>HOLA WAPPOSSSS
07:08<sara>Y WAPPASSSSS
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07:09<tailf>Maulkin: thanks ill give that a go
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07:10<Maulkin>!es-social
07:10<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
07:11<tailf>cirrus_minor: the only "processor architecture" which seemed to imply 64 bit was amd64, but i don't run an amd system?
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07:12<cirrus_minor>no matter
07:12<cirrus_minor>thats the one u want
07:12<cirrus_minor>amd_x86
07:13<cirrus_minor>i dont run amd system either
07:13<cirrus_minor>Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-45) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:00:17 UTC 2012
07:14<tailf>ok fair enough. and i guess when it lists armel, mips, sparc etc. these are just less mainstream architectures? i've never heard of them but it makes the downloads page quite confusing for people unfamiliar
07:14<Sevet>tailf: it's amd64 because amd wrote the instruction set, some people call it x86_64 to be more generic but it's the same instruction set
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07:15<tailf>Sevet: thanks. that clears it up a bit
07:19<Sevet>tailf: you may sometimes see ia64. that's an older intel set for an obsolete line of server cpus and isn't the one to use on a desktop
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07:37<sangi>hi all
07:37<sangi>I get this error when i upgrade from squeeze to wheezy
07:37<sangi>"E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'debconf'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)"
07:37<Woet>sangi: topic, "wheezy/sid: #debian-next"
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07:56<wreckgar>is there a way to use lsof to show which process is using a usb drive?
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08:01<ompaul>lsof | grep usb or if you have it mounted then mount point
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08:14<wreckgar>is there a way to use lsof to show which process is using a usb drive?
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08:17<devil_>[14:01:30] <ompaul> lsof | grep usb or if you have it mounted then mount point
08:19<wreckgar>devil_: thnx
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10:36<pfrost>so, if i wanted to apply a patch to a source package, how would i then build that package such that i won't confuse my patched version with the original, and also so that I can do something reasonable if the upstream package is updated?
10:37<sney>apply your patch and edit debian/rules
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10:40<rudi_s>pfrost: *edit debian/changelog
10:41<rudi_s>And use a custom version.
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10:41<pfrost>ok, and a not completely unrelated problem: given a link to a commit on github, what's the easiest way to get that as a patch? I'm looking for some sort of "download as diff" thing...or maybe I should do it with git? I was hoping to not have to learn git :/
10:41<pfrost>rudi_s: what should my custom version be?
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10:44<rudi_s>pfrost: Appending .1~my-version should work. The ~ makes sure that a new package release will be "newer" than your custom package.
10:44<rudi_s>Not sure about github, cloning the repository sounds like the simplest way. And btw. learning git is always a good idea ;-)
10:45<pfrost>yeah...always short on time :(
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10:46<pfrost>converting my ancient bzr repos (which were converted from tla (which were converted from arch)) to git has been on my to-do list for at least some years
10:46<pfrost>it does seem like everyone uses git. except when they use hg.
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10:46<rudi_s>;-) I really like git (used hg before git, but I prefer git).
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10:50<pfrost>so is just editing debian/changelog sufficient to bump the version of the package that will be built? or is there something in debian/rules also?
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10:55<Guest1656>hello
10:55<Guest1656>anyone here could help me rescue my grub
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10:55<Guest1656>i've booted from rescatux
10:55<pfrost>Guest1656: the debian installer disks have a rescue mode with a "reinstall bootloader" option
10:56<Guest1656>well, sorry I didn-t tell I-m on CentOS 6.2
10:56<pfrost>i don't know anything about rescatux, but maybe you can chroot into your debian install and run grub-install? That's what the debian CD would do.
10:57<pfrost>Guest1656: well then, you are surely in the wrong channel.
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10:58<Guest1656>Well @pfrost I-ve done that, mounted the LVs conainint / and /usr but /dev was not populated, I ran MAKDEV generic but my /dev/sdb wasn\t there
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10:59<Guest1656>I know grub rescue is generic except for grub 2
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10:59<Apollo>Guest1656: still, wrong channel mate ;)
10:59<Guest1656>I chrooted into /media where I mounted my partitions but i don-t know how cna I make the chroot jail my HDs
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11:00<Guest1656>Well tahnks, I thought this chat will help me as grub legacy is generic on every distro.
11:00<Guest1656>anyways sorry to bother you ppl.
11:00<pfrost>Guest1656: i bet there's a similar "fix bootloader" option in some installer or rescue disk for CentOS. I'd look for that.
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11:01<pfrost>Guest1656: the installing grub part isn't distro specific, but getting to the point where you can run it is, and that's the hard part, and the part where you are having trouble.
11:02<Guest1656>pfrost> so rescatux is to be forgoten to solve this
11:02<pfrost>Guest1656: well maybe. I think it will be easier if you use a rescue environment that already knows all the details of centos. I don't really know anything about centos though, so I can't be sure or specific.
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11:04<pparadis>for rescue environments in general, i typically recommend finnix. it comes with a lot of tools preinstalled as well.
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11:05<Guest1656>k I'll put a centos install cd on my machine and try to fix iot tho this rescatux AKA super grub disk is a great solution with this chgat and all.
11:05<Guest1656>Thanks
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11:13<epl692>hi
11:13<pfrost>dpkg really is the greatest thing ever.
11:13<dpkg>...but really is already something else...
11:14<pfrost>dpkg: really?
11:14<dpkg>yes, pfrost
11:14<pfrost>silly bot
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11:14<epl692>okay, does anyone know hwo to setup an initrd for pxe booting?
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11:15<epl692>I just want to add nfs support to mine and make it duel use.... but I can't figure that part out ether.
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11:16<chealer>haha
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11:17<chealer>dpkg: literal really
11:17<dpkg>"really" is "<reply>yes, $who"
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11:20<epl692>anyone got any ideas?
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11:21<ograf>liberal really
11:23<Dr_O>epl692: look at the debian live project perhaps that helps
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11:23<epl692>okay
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11:32<epl692>Dr_O: This seems to be the right direction, though they leave out the bits on how to make it work, (which is funny, in a sad sorta way)
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11:33<epl692>.... aw screw it.... I'm just going to build this from scratch I think.
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11:35<Dr_O>epl692: been a long time since I have played with that sort of thing... I but debian has a number of packages that can help with NFS root (if that is what you are into)
11:36<epl692>yeah, and I think in 99% there too
11:36<Dr_O>a bit of apt-cache searching should thow up some stuff
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11:38<epl692>the weird part is theres tons of stuff for etch
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11:40<epl692>DebianEdu may be of more help....
11:41<Dr_O>What are you wanting to achive?
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11:41<epl692>I am trying to build a "jumpstart" box, a vm that lets me jumpstart another computer with a pxe boot to a working debian install
11:41<Dr_O>ie: rescue system, normal desktop but net root, etc
11:42<epl692>rescue/normal with net root
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11:44<Dr_O>Cool... sounds like a nice system you have in mind. Not sure I can give any further pointers. Hope you find something. the debian-live IRC channel might help you
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11:45<epl692>If I recall, it's not too hard to recompile the linux kernel (if you have done it a few times) and I may just rebuild from the source.... (like they always say in the matrix, I must return to the source)
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11:48<heikkila>epl692, this helped me when I set up something similar: http://live.debian.net/manual-2.x/html/en/the-basics.html#210
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11:48<heikkila>epl692, no need to recompile the kernel
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11:48<heikkila>epl692, do you run Debian on that particular box you would like to netboot from another computer?
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11:49<epl692>yes, right now debian is my main os for linux, as I have DVD's and very slow internet
11:51<heikkila>epl692, but you need two computers to make netbooting work
11:52<epl692>not with vm's (plus I am at my inlaws for the week and took as always at least two with
11:52<epl692>\)
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11:52<heikkila>ah, right
11:53<heikkila>epl692, so a rescue netboot-image for a virtual machine? You can just make backups of your vm's
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11:54<epl692>no, the server is a vm
11:55<epl692>tie it to the real world, and you have a portable resuce server
11:55<epl692>*rescue
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11:56<heikkila>nice
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12:02<heikkila>epl692, for the initrd I took a local initramfs.conf and changed BOOT=local to BOOT=nfs and generated a new initrd and put it on the tftp-server. (That change must be reverted so the next kernel-update won't generate a faulty initramfs for that local system)
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12:03<pfrost>epl692: i just recently set up a squeeze NFS root system. I built a custom kernel with CONFIG_ROOT_NFS=y, and no initrd. I don't know anything about PXE booting, though.
12:03<epl692>heikkila: tried that, got a TON of errors.
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12:04<pfrost>epl692: i never looked into why, but if i tried to use an initrd, it wouldn't boot. I was booting from xen.
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12:05<epl692>is there a pkg for building custom kernels, or just grab the github source
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12:06<Dr_O>look at kernel-package
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12:16<heikkila>epl692, what kind of errors and when?
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12:17<epl692>missing all sorts of required files, and then not working on the other end.
12:17<creampuff>I can't use iceweasel to surf the net useing my login account but can as ROOT or sudo
12:17<pfrost>epl692: see section 4.5 at http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html
12:17<creampuff>I'm useing 6.0.5
12:18<heikkila>epl692, okey, doesn't tell me anything, you should be here when you get those errors so you can paste them to paste.debian.net , dinner time here so be back in a while
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12:18<epl692>okay, yeah, might try that again in a bit. see ya
12:19<pfrost>epl692: i used the 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports, but i had done it with 2.6.32 in squeeze in the past also.
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12:19<heikkila>epl692, sorry I assumed you weren't here with your problems, maybe you were
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12:21<epl692>heikkila: I asked a question pertaining to a topic most have not done, my milage may vary
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12:23<guillermo>hola, alguien sabe como configurar esto para entrar en el irc hispano?
12:23<guillermo>estoy en el xchat
12:23<movl>!es
12:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:24<epl692>hey, that bots somewhat handy
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12:25<epl692>woot... 9 minutes to go on the source downlaod.
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12:39<epl692>found my update-initramfs problems.
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12:40<epl692>:) oops.
12:40<epl692>or... not
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12:45<tuxcrafter>i have been driving myself nuts about a cron issue i have with debian stable
12:45<tuxcrafter>http://paste.debian.net/plainh/1c512ca3
12:46<tuxcrafter>it is running commands it sould if i reathe man 5 crontab right
12:46<tuxcrafter>it is day 29 of the month now
12:46<tuxcrafter>i got tree commands that should only run on day 1-7 or 8-14 or 15-21
12:47<tuxcrafter>no command should have run
12:47<tuxcrafter>its driving me nuts
12:47<movl>reathe == read, I presume?
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12:47<tuxcrafter> /reathe/read :)
12:49<tuxcrafter>and should/shouldnt
12:49<epl692>there we go!
12:49<epl692>netboot works!
12:49<ompaul>tuxcrafter: is it the case ...
12:49<tuxcrafter>i really hope somebody can help me out :D
12:50<ompaul>tuxcrafter: that the number 5 should not be there, btw there are other ways to work out if it is friday
12:50<tuxcrafter>ompaul: why should it be there its the dow (day of the week) field
12:50<ompaul>tuxcrafter: to test this theory then you want to do it on fridays
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12:51<ompaul>either or both
12:51<tuxcrafter>/should/shouldnt
12:51<ompaul>or else the job should only take place at the time and we ignore date info iirc
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12:52<tuxcrafter>ompaul: ? where did I misread the man 5 crontab?
12:52<tuxcrafter>Note: The day of a command's execution can be specified by two fields — day of month, and day of week. If both fields are restricted (i.e., aren't *), the command will be run when either field matches the current time. For example,
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12:53<tuxcrafter>ompaul: dammit
12:53<tuxcrafter>:)
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12:54<ompaul>tuxcrafter: was there a squeak ;-)
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12:54<tuxcrafter>who designed it that way :D
12:55<ompaul>the person who knew what they wanted
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12:57<tuxcrafter>[ -x /usr/local/bin/backupninja-duplicity-management ] && test $(date +%u) -eq 5 && backupninja-duplicity-management ...
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12:58<ompaul> Tday=$(date +'%w')
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12:58<ompaul>tuxcrafter: use that or something like it to help yourself to friday
12:58<elops>a friend and long time debian user said "my devs hit the limits of debians simplecd"
12:58<elops>what did he meant?
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13:00<elops>?
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13:01<ompaul>elops: makes as much sense to me as it does to the man in the moon and he has a greater grasp
13:01<elops>lol
13:01<elops>debians simplecd
13:01<ompaul>http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD/Howto
13:02<ompaul>elops: and we don't do lenny anymore
13:02<ompaul>it's an illusion
13:02<elops>yes sir
13:02<elops>but what could he probably mean?
13:02<elops>I dont use debian enough to know
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13:03<tuxcrafter>ompaul: well thanks for helping me find the "note" in the man page, i really have no idea why cron does it this way....????
13:04<ompaul>tuxcrafter: time is a unique identifier on an hourly / minute basis
13:04<ompaul>tuxcrafter: day of the week is binary - either on or off
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13:05<ompaul>tuxcrafter: or to put it another way you can choose 1-31 or 1,31 and they are different but if you pick 5 you always get friday
13:06<tuxcrafter>cron is a software program right :D if the input rule has five fiels like dow and dom then i should be abble to setup it to only run on some days of the month at a specific day :D
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13:07<ompaul>tuxcrafter: it implies some are mutual and some are exclusive seems obvious to me
13:07<tuxcrafter>:)
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13:07<chl>hello, I would like to know who / where I should ask to get someone willing to package OpenSMTPD (mail server) http://opensmtpd.org, I'm managing the portable version, it builds on Debian, it's based on autotools, it just need a packager. (sorry for the noise if I'm not at the right place to ask)
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13:09<ompaul>tuxcrafter: like if you were really perverse you could do things on a bi hourly basis by using the minute and then sticking a check sum in to see if it was done on the hourly basis
13:09<ompaul>ie if not done last hour do it now
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13:10<tuxcrafter>ompaul: you can do that already with the hour field /2
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13:10<ompaul>tuxcrafter: as I said - if you were really perverse there is nothing to stop you from doing things in ways that are not obvious
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13:12<heikkila>I don't think it sounds that perverse
13:12<epl692>thats like the people who write webapps in python, and make it look like they run php
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13:14<tuxus>anyone any idea what might be wrong if my Squeeze will only boot to login prompt, but upon entering u/p, it looks like it will start, but it just returns me back to the prompt. Either with user, or root login. This happened after a normal system update gone bad and I had to power down the system because it would not respond to mouse/keyboard.
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13:16<epl692>correct me if I am wrong, but could he boot a rescue system and debootstrap over his current system, or would that make issues worse?
13:17<pparadis>tuxus: any number of things could be wrong. you might consider booting the system into something like finnix, mounting your filesystem(s), chrooting into your / filesystem, and seeing if you can continue the upgrade.
13:17<epl692>too bad I can't toss him a network line.
13:18<pparadis>i'd just try to resume the upgrade and work with apt's output to try to get the system back into a semi-normal state, at which point it could be booted off the hard drive and further repairs could proceed.
13:19<epl692>yeah, probably the best option
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13:20<chealer>tuxus: X must be failing to start
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13:21<pparadis>chealer: good point, i was thinking about this in terms of a headless system.
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13:21<pparadis>tuxus: can you hit ctrl+alt+f2 and log in on a tty, and attempt to resume the upgrade?
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13:29<elops>ERROR: Invalid zone name (extvpn) : /etc/shorewall/zones (line 4)
13:29<elops>hmmm?
13:29<elops>how on earth is that invalid?
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13:34<elops>"zone names can be at most 5 characters long."
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13:43<elops>etcnet is awesome
13:43<elops>to get that kind of firewalling into Debian would be a massive undertaking
13:44<elops>its more of an entire networking management tool than just a fw
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13:51<sney_>there might be an rfp for it already, never know
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13:56<tuxus>pparadis: I can go to TTY2, but the same thing happens. I will try chrooting in / with a live disc and see if I can get apt to finish
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14:08<epl692>is there a way to move pid files?
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14:10<Alison_Chaiken>GENIVI open source automotive consortium will be hiring a community manager.
14:10<Alison_Chaiken>Job isn't posted yet, but I have the listing.
14:10<Alison_Chaiken>It's a full-time gig, with most activities probably centered in Europe.
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14:12<Maulkin>Alison_Chaiken: You're aware this is a debian user support forum, right? :)
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14:13<Maulkin>Alison_Chaiken: Do you have a URL?
14:13<Alison_Chaiken>Yes, Maulkin, I am.
14:13<Alison_Chaiken>No, I don't have a URL: I just mentioned that the job was not posted.
14:13<Alison_Chaiken>I am not a headhunter: I am one of the people who will help pick the winner.
14:13<Maulkin>Alison_Chaiken: When you do then, https://lists.debian.org/debian-jobs/ may be the best place to post to :)
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14:13<Alison_Chaiken>I want to get an excellent person, as I am going to work with them.
14:14<Alison_Chaiken>Very good Maulkin, but I need to wait for the Grown-ups to post the job on genivi.org first.
14:14<Alison_Chaiken>Sorry if I upset you!
14:14<Maulkin>Alison_Chaiken: not at all!
14:14<djlanz>i receive some error message on my desktop im new in ubuntu
14:14<Maulkin>!ubuntu
14:14<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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14:15<Maulkin>Alison_Chaiken: Well, drop me a line at neilm@debian.org and I'll pass it on to the super-secret-debian mailing list if you want too
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14:16<Maulkin>Alison_Chaiken: May also be worth prodding #debian-devel
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14:20<Alison_Chaiken>Maulkin, I'm going to wait for the Grown-ups to post the announcement before I put it on a list, but thanks anyway.
14:20<Alison_Chaiken>Hopefully that will be in the next week or two.
14:20<Alison_Chaiken>But I wanted to get my candidates in early!
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14:20<NaTaS>hello... how can tell me a good webmailer software for Debian root?
14:21<neodyme57>#list
14:21<neodyme57>\list
14:21<sney_>neodyme57: nope
14:21<Maulkin>!list
14:21<dpkg>maulkin: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
14:21<neodyme57>!list
14:22<Maulkin>neodyme57: What are you looking for?
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14:22<sney_>!tell NaTaS about debtags
14:22<neodyme57>join a channel....
14:23<sney_>neodyme57: this is the official help channel for users of the Debian operating system. Do you have a question?
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14:24<neodyme57>I would like to go to epiknet and then to the channel #25-35ans ...
14:25<sney_>please read the manual for your irc client
14:26<sney_>!irc primer
14:26<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
14:26<sney_>also, this
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14:41<mdupont>hi there, I installed mumble and now after the dependencies, i am getting this audio error , sound is not working for some apps : ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
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14:47<bloger>stoping encrypted partitions always failed. any idea why this may happen?
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14:51<gits>Is there an option to set-up KDE in the debian installer?
14:52<sney_>!install kde
14:52<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>.
14:56<gits>sney_: "To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1)" Is KDE CD-1 a separate CD?
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15:04<sney_>gits: yes, there is a kde CD1 available, http://cdimage.debian.org/ it's at the bottom of the list of the CD index pages. Note that this doesn't apply to the DVD images.
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15:06<t0rn>anyone know where in squeeze the sshd init script sets oom_adj to -17?
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15:08<gits>sney_: Just curious but, are there any differences between KDE CD-1 and when installing KDE through 'Alternative desktop environments' from the Debian-Installer?
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15:20<sney_>gits: not really, just in terms of what's included on the CD and what's downloaded from the internet
15:20<sney_>you still get a debian system
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15:25<gits>thanks sney_
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15:28<R33D3M33R>Hello, the language pack version and program version for icedove differ in wheezy so it's not usable. Is this normal since it's not frozen yet, or it should be reported?
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15:31<daemonkeeper>R33D3M33R: All problem should be reported
15:31<daemonkeeper>Anytime.
15:31<daemonkeeper>Real problems that is of course. Yours sounds like.
15:32<sney_>just check the bts to see if anyone else has reported it first
15:33<R33D3M33R>will do, thanks
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15:45<markus>hi. is anybody working with live-boot? I'm running a project and my configuration and the default config aren't working anymore
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15:46<markus>it seems to be a problem with initramfs
15:47<markus>live-boot:W: live-boot-initramfs-tools (backend) installed without live-boot,
15:47<markus>W: this initramfs will *NOT* have live support.
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16:14<AzaToth>Hello; Today I went updating to latest wheezy, and after a reboot, I noticed it pretty much freezed on the boot around where it configures network interfaces for a couple of minutes. dmesg doesn't say much sadly: http://paste.debian.net/176980/ but I wonder if you guys/gals have any clues why it stalls? (I'm getting two nfs timeouts before it continues booting)
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16:23<mashku>Hi
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16:28<P4C0>hello, I'm running debian 6.0.4 and currently it has squid3 3.1.6, is there any place that I can get an updated package of squid3 (for example 3.1.20) for that debian version?
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16:29<craigevil>,v squid
16:29<judd>Package: squid on i386 -- lenny: 2.7.STABLE3-4.1lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7.STABLE3-4.1lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.7.STABLE7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.7.STABLE9-2.1; sid: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1; wheezy: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1
16:29<craigevil>,v squid3
16:30<judd>Package: squid3 on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.STABLE8-3+lenny5; lenny-security: 3.0.STABLE8-3+lenny5; lenny-backports: 3.1.6-1.2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.1.6-1.2+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 3.1.6-1.2+squeeze2; sid: 3.1.20-1; wheezy: 3.1.20-1
16:30<P4C0>I tried to install wheezy packages on my version, but ended up with dependencies problems :(
16:31<craigevil>P4C0, /msg dpkg ssb
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16:32<P4C0>craigevil: thanks
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16:33<pfrost>AzaToth: by freezes, do you mean it freezes, then thaws? Or do you mean what most people mean by "freeze", which is a halt in activity that never resumes?
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16:35<pfrost>AzaToth: assuming you mean it eventually recovers, and based on nothing other than you said "network" and "timeout", i'd suspect DNS or DHCP timeouts.
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16:41<P4C0>btw, when I tried to install the latest debs for squid3 that failed, it messed everything up (i did dpkg -i squid*) how can I rollback?
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16:42<AzaToth>pfrost: what I meant by freeze is that it for 5 minutes stalled in the boot; and as it's a LAN and no other computer have had issues booting at the same time, I don't think it's DNS or DHCP timeouts
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16:45<AzaToth>sadly I don't know how to access the exact data that was displayed during the boot :(
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16:54<sney_>AzaToth: you can see your boot messages with 'dmesg'
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16:56<sl1ce>hi
16:57<sl1ce>i somehow messed up my sound, anyone know a good way to troubleshoot?
16:58<sney_>!alsa checklist
16:58<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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17:00<sl1ce>sney_ thanks, looks like all of the above checkist doesnt help
17:01<sl1ce>!alsa alsa firmware
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17:02<AzaToth>sney: dmesh doesn't show everything
17:03<AzaToth>sney_: my dmesg is as linked above
17:03<AzaToth>damn, blody tracker is eating up all my memory again
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17:04<AzaToth>it's at 56% memory usage atm
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17:13<markus>hi, I've tried to build my live-build image today and it said "live-boot-initramfs-tools (backend) installed without live-boot" but I've nothing changed, even the default config isn't working anymore?
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17:14<Rprp`>Hi guys, I've got a quick question. For some reason, my load never falls below 0.00, 0.01, 0.05, its an idle server with only SSH installed, 6 cores - 24G ram. I know the load isnt bad, but I find it rather annoying I cant bring it back to 0.00, 0.00, 0.00. Any possibilities to find out what is causing this small load? its just a base install.
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17:28<dami0>hello
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17:28<retrospectacus>hi
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17:28<dami0>i have a problem, i think its regarding ati proprietary, is this the right channel?
17:29<retrospectacus>this channel is for Debian stable
17:29<retrospectacus>dami0: if you are on wheezy or sid please go ask in #debian-next
17:29<dami0>well, im running debian stable, but ati drivers seem to have destabilised it
17:29<retrospectacus>ok, go ahead then
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17:30<dami0>which is why im weirded out, because they never failed; standard apt-get install for fglrx
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17:30<dami0>aticonfig --initial, restart and it worked
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17:30<dami0>but now i dont have virtual console
17:30<dami0>and amdcccle crashes x ( i think ) because it sends me to login
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17:32<dami0>ive tried regenarating xorg and messing with the monitor setup to no avail
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17:34<dami0>can anybody help me or direct me to help, please.
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17:40<dami0>hmm, perusing the logs i think its an aticonfig error
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17:41<sney_>aticonfig is usually unnecessary unless you have a multi-monitor setup
17:41<dami0>yeah,
17:41<sney_>all it should need is an xorg.conf.d snippet to declare the driver
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17:42<dami0>well, i dont really know what im doing so im just doing things because they seemed to work before
17:42<dami0>both screens work fine, just no virtual console, doest go blank, just plain doesnt work
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17:42<dami0>i can shutdown gdm3 and the console run but without ouptut
17:43<dami0>i restarted that way
17:44<dami0>oh there it its, kernel module may be missing or incompatible, dri failed,
17:44<dami0>is*
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17:50<dami0>installing dkms source didnt work :(
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18:03<dami0>i reinstalled the whole fglrx set, and depmod fails.
18:04<dami0>bad exit status 1
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18:08<dami0>its installing into lib/modules/[kernel]-686/updates/dkms/, since i have amd64 arch shouldnt that be different?
18:09<sney_>yes
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18:10<dami0>ok, thats weird
18:10<dami0>maybe why dri fails
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18:11<sney_>the more logs you provide, the more people can help
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18:11<dami0>yeah, im just trying to generate them and check for myself so i can learn whats going on
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18:14<dami0>-------- Uninstall Beginning --------
18:14<dami0>Module: fglrx
18:14<dami0>Version: 10-9
18:14<dami0>Kernel: 2.6.32-5-686 (x86_64)
18:14<dami0>-------------------------------------
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18:14<dami0>whoops, sorry
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18:15<sney_>http://paste.debian.net/
18:15<dami0>yeah, told me after i got kicked, thanks
18:15<sney_>oh right, it's in the kick message
18:17<dami0>k
18:17<dami0>uploaded as fglrx-1&2
18:17<dami0>ill search for other logs regarding this,
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18:19<dami0>also another one from apt, seems its installing -i386 modules
18:19<sney_>what's the output of uname -m
18:20<dami0>x86_64
18:20<dami0>and i set kernel image as linux-[ver]-amd64 during installation
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18:21<sney_>what's the output of 'file /bin/bash'
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18:25<sney_>dami0:
18:26<dami0>sorry, was afk for a while
18:26<dami0>pot noodle time
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18:27<dami0>/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped
18:27<dami0>huh
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18:31<smacnay>Is there a reason linux-sound-base is holding up the upgrading in sid? I see alsa-base waiting but there has been a delay for some time now.
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18:35<chealer>smacnay: what do you mean by the upgrading in sid?
18:37<smacnay>chealer, 'aptitude -s full-upgrade' shows linux-sound-base as holding back a lot of packages. This has been so for some time.
18:37<sney_>dami0: you're on a 32-bit userland with a 64-bit kernel, so unfortunately your 32-bit compiler can't build 64-bit kernel modules. you _could_ use a 686 kernel instead, the standard 686-pae kernel available in wheezy can access memory above the 3.something GB limit
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18:52<dami0>im back; thanks for your help sney
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18:52<dami0>but this is a fresh install and im taken aback as to why i have a 32-bit userland
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18:52<kkk>hola
18:52<dami0>one last thing im gonna try is a full format of the hard drives and klean install
18:52<dami0>klean, thanks k
18:53<sney_>make sure you grab an amd64 installer this time if you're going that way
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18:53<sney_>Black_Prince: see, this is what I was talking about yesterday
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18:53<dami0>the way the brain works graphical signs and how interuptions are kind of like injecting memory straight to ram?
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18:55<dami0>well, im going to get back to sorting this mess out, i had a usb stick with amd64 bussinesscard iso on it, maybe a full format will help
18:55<dami0>thanks for the help and may you have a stable midafternoon
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18:57<Black_Prince>doesn't gcc -m64 work in that case?
19:00<sney_>I don't think so, if it did wouldn't dkms have a provision for that?
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19:01<sney_>I think you can do -m32 with a 64-bit gcc but not the reverse
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19:02<Black_Prince>only if you have gcc-multilib
19:02<Black_Prince>gcc -m64 should work on 32 bit only with that one ... libc6-amd64 is required, too
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20:21<kingsley>Is my understanding correct that there's no package which lets you control the keyboard and mouse with commands spoken into the microphone?
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20:22<sney_>that would be a pretty specialized accessibility package
20:22<sney_>but it's not out of the question, use debtags
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20:56<jaime>Hi guys
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21:15<biger07>hola
21:15<Jzebus>hei
21:15<biger07>hi?
21:16<pparadis>!tell biger07 about es
21:17<biger07>hi i'm a new user an i need underten debian
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21:18<homercycles>What is the simplest way to allow users to mount smb shares? I'm on a home/private network, and security is very basic and a non-issue. I just want it "to just work" with no hassle. smb4k is nice but too user-interventiony
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21:18<homercycles>I'm not expecting blow-by-blow instructions, just pointers to best/easiest solution. thanks
21:20<pparadis>homercycles: set up a single public share and provide the credentials to mount it on each computer in the house?
21:21<pparadis>obviously this would mean creating a single user in samba, making sure that maps the UID/GID that owns the files on the filesystem, and just using that user everywhere.
21:21<homercycles>pparadis: I used to have a "bookmark" in nautilus/gnome2.32 that, when I clicked on it, would auto-mount using remembered credentials. I'm hoping to find something for wheezy/kde that's as simple.... one click :-)
21:21<homercycles>pparadis: do you know of an up-to-date URL explaining? Currently reading this, but it may be old, perhaps? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/165
21:21<pparadis>homercycles: when mounting network shares (as in "making connections to network servers"), it should remember the username/password used.
21:22<homercycles>pparadis: I don't want it automatically attempting to mount on boot because the other box may not be on, and I don't want unecessary login/boot delays
21:22<pparadis>homercycles: i'd just use the samba documentation on their site as an example of setting up a simple share.
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21:23<homercycles>pparadis: dolphin seems to mount/remember, *but*, I also want ability to communicate via shell to that same mount (so my torrent shell script can automatically copy to smb share... .gvfs was awesome under gnome 2.32)
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21:23<homercycles>pparadis: I'll keep reading. just thought there might be a complete lazy man's guide or something :-)
21:23<pparadis>homercycles: everything that is mounted has a mount point, so you can always hit that via the shell.
21:23<pparadis>the basic samba examples are probably your best bet :)
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21:24<homercycles>pparadis: currently I'm running "su" to run a previous mount -t command
21:24<homercycles>pparadis: thanks
21:25<pparadis>sure thing
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21:29<gaby>! install sudo
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21:30<jackson_>helo
21:30<pparadis>hi
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21:31<Guest1701>boa noite
21:31<Guest1701>good morning
21:31<Guest1701>good night
21:31<kamal_>how are u?
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22:45<venkatavamsy>hiee
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23:07<chetan>hi
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23:12<supaplex>in testing, how can I find other packages with Tag hardware::camera and use::monitor ? apt-cache can show zoneminder, but I'm looking for similar packages
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23:14<geronimo>hello
23:14<supaplex>greetings
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23:16<Azir>good nigth
23:17<Azir>Brazil?
23:17<Azir>speak portuguese?
23:18<craigevil>!br
23:18<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
23:18<Azir>thank you
23:18<Azir>;)
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