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00:08<toroid>I'm twelve and how did I get here?
00:09<kazuma153>adds to ignore list >_>
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00:17<scientes>torland, you installed an irc client
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00:18<toroid>IRC? Really? I was trying to install multiplayer-notepad
00:18<toroid>C,ks
00:18<toroid>c
00:18<toroid>Close enough. :D
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00:18<scientes>torland, and thank you for running debian squeeze!
00:19<toroid>sc
00:19<toroid>Sciences, thanks :)
00:20<scientes>you know, wheezy was just frozen, you could make a backup, and then upgrade an report any problem you have
00:21<scientes>and help it get released sooner and with better quality
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00:22<toroid>Where might I find this upgrade?
00:22<sney>dpkg, squeeze->wheezy
00:22<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
00:23<toroid>dpkg moving target
00:23<dpkg>Sure, testing might be shinier than stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>.
00:24<toroid>dpkg moving testing
00:24<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, toroid
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00:26<sney>!msg the bot
00:26<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others.
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00:31<toroid>apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing, Am I doing it wrong?
00:31<scientes>you have to change your sources.list and apt-get update first
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00:33<toroid>Ah, that's better.
00:33<toroid>Thanks.
00:36<toroid>809mb later....
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00:38<scientes>torland, use apt-get dist-upgrade -d to download only
00:38<scientes>and then do the actual upgrade when you have more attention for it
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00:39<toroid>Too late now...
00:40<toroid>:-P
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01:22<toroid>As long as I can still use "aldo" I won't mind upgrading :-P
01:23<scientes>whats aldo?
01:23<scientes>oh
01:23<toroid>Learning morse code with the "koch" method :-P
01:23<scientes>hasn't changed versions
01:24<toroid>33%
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01:25<evan>hy
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02:48<eduard>Hello everyone
02:49<eduard>Uhm.. Does anybody know how long aptitude upgrade runs generally?
02:51<toroid>I have been running it for the past few hours.
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02:51<toroid>800mb
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02:52<eduard>o.O so my ~40 minutes is not so abnormal i guess
02:52<ompaul>eduard: depends on, your bandwidth and machine
02:52<ompaul>eduard: on an i3 with 20megs bandwidth down yesterday I did a D-U of 600megs it took about 15 mintues
02:52<ompaul>minutes even
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02:53<toroid>I'm in Canada.
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02:53<eduard>ompaul: 1gb ram 1.6ghz cpu here. Tho my internet is extremely fast and i'm using local debian mirrors
02:54<toroid>I get really tired of Americans complaining about bandwidth.
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02:54<ompaul>eduard: as long as you see it doing "stuff" be happy
02:55<eduard>toroid: i have 100Mbps at my disposal, tho i'm European :)
02:55<ompaul>I'm most certainly not in the US
02:55<toroid>500kbps is a fast connection here.
02:56<toroid>500kBps is a fast connection here.
02:56<toroid>Fixe
02:56<toroid>scerw it im going to sleep
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02:56<ompaul>eduard: your mirrors have done upgrades before this machine?
02:57<ompaul>eduard: your mirror will take at max 10 mins at 100megs to get your upgrade
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02:57<eduard>ompaul: idk, if they upgraded it. After updating sources list to wheezy and doing aptitude update it hit the updated mirrors correctly
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02:58<eduard>currently i'm at: open 23883, closed: 244824, defer:57 conflict: 101
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02:58<ompaul>eduard: if it has nothing cached then each package request is new
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02:58<eduard>are such number normal?
02:58<ompaul>eduard: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
02:59<ompaul>the idea of defer is wrong unless you have something else going on there
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02:59<Toroid|Sleep>FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf
02:59<Toroid|Sleep>Fetched 1,500 MB in 2h 22min 58s (175 kB/s)
02:59<Toroid|Sleep>E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
02:59<ompaul>anything held is a bad idea
03:00<Toroid|Sleep>Then dropped to shell.
03:00<Toroid|Sleep>What do
03:00<ompaul>Toroid|Sleep: paste your repos
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03:00<eduard>ompaul: so i should just stop the apttitude upgrade and go with update & dist-upgrade?
03:00<ompaul>eduard: you need to dist-upgrade
03:01<Toroid|Sleep>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy contrib non-free main
03:01<ompaul>I don't care if you us apptitude
03:01<Toroid|Sleep>deb http://http.ca.debian.org/debian/ wheezy contrib non-free main
03:01<ompaul>Toroid|Sleep: pasting not in channel
03:01<Toroid|Sleep>not pasting, I'm typing it out
03:01<ompaul>paste.debian.net
03:01<ompaul>copy and paste
03:01<ompaul>http://paste.debian.net
03:02<ompaul>eduard: I would - I use apt-get because it does not try to resolve things
03:02<Toroid|Sleep>http://paste.debian.net/177183/
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03:03<ompaul>Toroid|Sleep: line 1 and 2 should be doing exactly the same thing
03:03<ompaul>!sources.list
03:03<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
03:03<ompaul>bah
03:05<eduard>ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/177184/
03:05<ompaul>Toroid|Sleep: and there are no other repos in there?
03:05<Toroid|Sleep>nope
03:06<eduard>what should i do?"
03:06<ompaul>Toroid|Sleep: what's the command you are running
03:06<ompaul>eduard: you have chrome in there?
03:06<Toroid|Sleep>apt-get install dist-upgrade
03:06<Toroid|Sleep>Y
03:07<eduard>ompaul: yes, i do chrome on my system? Is that bad?
03:07<ompaul>Toroid|Sleep: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (note the time)
03:07<ompaul>eduard: na, it just means you have not got the right repo for google
03:07<Toroid|Sleep>Same error.
03:08<ompaul>Toroid|Sleep: did you note the difference between my statement and yours
03:08<Toroid|Sleep>note the time?
03:08<ompaul>eduard: or you have the right repo but your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/filename-is-not-the-right-type it needs to end in list
03:09<ompaul>Toroid|Sleep: WOT
03:09<ompaul>Toroid|Sleep: come back when you are awake
03:09<Toroid|Sleep>ok good night
03:09<eduard>ompaul: i have google-chrome.list google-chrome.list.save
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03:09<eduard>i guess i should remove the .save part from the second file name?
03:10<ompaul>eduard: no
03:10<ompaul>eduard: you have .list and .list.save
03:10<ompaul>your .list is used
03:10<ompaul>only change .list.save to .list if it's contents are what you want as your repo
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03:11<eduard>oh, so uhm, what may be causing the pesky chrome-ish problem?
03:11<ompaul>yes
03:11<ompaul>no may, it is
03:11<ompaul>read your error message you pasted
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03:12<eduard>ompaul: Couldn't configure pre-depend ure for libreoffice-core, probably a dependency cycle.
03:12<eduard>the first line was an warn, the actual error is the one i pasted
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03:14<eduard>ompaul: any ideas on how to fix that? :S I'm kind-off stuck
03:15<ompaul>eduard: apt-get -f install
03:15<ompaul>then try again
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03:16<eduard>ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/177186/
03:16<ompaul>eduard: you do realise that wheezy is not released yet
03:16<eduard>yes, i do, but i want to upgrade to get hold of some packages in advance
03:16<ompaul>fine
03:17<ompaul>delete this file please google-chrome.list.save
03:17<ompaul>it has no place on your system
03:17<eduard>ompaul: done
03:17<ompaul>then try your dist-upgrade again
03:18<eduard>ompaul: still getting the libreoffice error
03:18<ompaul>we must remember that when we go to fix things - things hit mirrors at different times, if something
03:18<ompaul>is not no a mirror
03:18<ompaul>s/no/on
03:18<ompaul>then we may have to wait for a sync or two (every six hours or so)
03:18<ompaul>before we go again
03:19<ompaul>can I have a paste of that full error please
03:19<eduard>ompaul: sure http://paste.debian.net/177188/
03:22<ompaul>eduard: if it was me I would do this apt-get remove --purge libreoffice* and then reinstall libreoffice and then dist-upgrade
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03:23<ompaul>eduard: I'm not sure what's broken but I'm almost certain that if I rip out libreoffice and put it back in it won't depend on this things
03:23<ompaul>eduard: I'm not sure what's broken but I'm almost certain that if I rip out libreoffice and put it back in it won't depend on this things
03:23<ompaul>drat :-)
03:23<eduard>ompaul: funny thing is, i dont have libreoffice
03:23<eduard>on my machine
03:23<eduard>only openoffice
03:23<ompaul>it is replacing openoffice
03:23<ompaul>for wheezy
03:24<ompaul>or try installing it on its own
03:24<ompaul>I'm about to d-u here back in a few
03:24<ompaul>I never do it in X just in case it breaks my session or settings
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03:42<ompaul>eduard: what did you decide to do
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03:43<ompaul>eduard: there is a lovely tool in debian called taskselect even if you rip the heart out of a system you can put the default back together with very little effort
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03:44<eduard>ompaul: i've attempted to install libreoffice by hand and got some broken dependencies http://paste.debian.net/177189/
03:44<ompaul>eduard: did you attempt to remove it first?
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03:45<eduard>ompaul: yes, got a bunch of 'not installed so not removed'
03:45<ompaul>ah nice
03:45<ompaul>hang on a sec
03:46<ompaul>eduard: do this please /msg dpkg immediate configuration
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03:47<eduard>ompaul: /msg: No such file or directory
03:47<ompaul>do it in irc ...
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03:47<ompaul>eduard: for any user who is new to debian then I really think this is the wrong path for any amount of reasons
03:49<ompaul>eduard: most of them have to do with you not understanding why things happen, if you ran a stable system for a couple of months got it working how you want it - understood bpo then you might be a suitable candidate for trying out testing / sid
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03:50<ompaul>eduard: because when it breaks (like now) you can be left with a puzzle and a pile of pieces
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03:50<ompaul>there are better at this than me, they will be around in the next few hours - but atm it looks like my advise is all you got - and I'm going to meet some people in the next hour - yay for geeks who like eating breakfast and talking foobar
03:51<eduard>ompaul: i guess you are right, probably will have to go back to crapbuntu
03:51<eduard>:S
03:51<ompaul>eduard: na, what you do is this, go install debian, get it working right, understand it's ways
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03:51<ompaul>eduard: when wheezy is stable upgrade to it, at that point you will understand bpo and friends
03:52<ompaul>eduard: why did you try debian in the first place?
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03:53<eduard>ompaul: heard a few good comments in regard to debian. Tho when i was installing i did not think that many packages are kindoff old-ish
03:54<eduard>system is great overall, though you inevidently want to see newer packages being accustomed to arch/ubuntu like system
03:54<ompaul>na, I want function over form
03:55<ompaul>if you have a job to do
03:55<ompaul>I use sid for my own use, but my colleagues all run stable as their desktops
03:55<ompaul>I do modify their systems a little but not a lot
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03:57<ompaul>eduard: at the end of the day you should learn about how to make a programming environment, how to use bash to find, execute, modify pictures - imagine 200 photos with red eye all getting automatically dealt with
03:58<ompaul>eduard: learn about how to set up a web server, and stick some programming alongside it - much better than chasing shiny new packages - stable means you get packages and don't have to worry about security of packages as long as you patch
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03:59<ompaul>eduard: we have a phrase here - don't take offense from it, but be aware of it ;-)
03:59<ompaul>!sns
03:59<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
03:59<tailf>so i attempted to load debian onto my ultrabook with a netinstall iso and it gets stuck on looking for a non existent dvd drive. any ideas?
03:59<rainfyre>:) I like that. What's bpo, ompaul ?
04:00<eduard>ompaul: thats an good suggestion, i'll probably reinstall my system and try again. 64bit is good idea?
04:00<ompaul>rainfyre: backports
04:00<eduard>or should i stick with 32 like i do now
04:00<rainfyre>ahh of course
04:00<ompaul>eduard: 64 if your system can handle it
04:00<eduard>yeah, it does
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04:01<rainfyre>64 bit squeeze is hard to beat
04:01<rainfyre>My partner runs it on her Lenovo. It. Always. Just. Works.
04:02<ompaul>eduard: seriously avoid new stuff that is where the pain is - don't customise your system too much, you want upgrades to work, don't pull in random stuff from all over the place - that breaks stuff - if you want to use debian multimedia only use it for codecs
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04:02<ompaul>then Turn it OFF
04:02<ompaul>eduard: ^^ the amount of times people don't do that and regret it is rather high
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04:02<ompaul>eduard: if you are sensible the machine will work well for you
04:03<eduard>ompaul: installing vlc makes better sense, than downloading codecs from all around
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04:03<ompaul>eduard: vlc on debian still needs codecs for dvds and there is only one place you should take codecs from that is dmm
04:03<ompaul>!mm
04:03<dpkg>mm is, like, Myanmar (Burma)
04:03<ompaul>!dmm
04:03<dpkg>[dmm] deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>.
04:04<rainfyre>interesting
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04:04<ompaul>eduard: when it comes to the bot here /msg dpkg <bits between the braces> gets the bot to query it in private
04:05<ompaul>eduard: so say you wanted to ask about <dmm squeeze> you would /msg dpkg dmm squeeze << exactly that :)
04:05<eduard>ompaul: okay, thanks very much for your suggestion, i'm going to install debian 64 now
04:05<eduard>:D
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04:06<ompaul>eduard: take your time customising it as I said it will serve you better
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04:24<tailf>anyone know how to skip the part of the debian install process which searches for a cd rom? my ultrabook doesnt even have one and i cant seem to continue the installation past this point
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04:28<bones_was_here>tailf: if you're installing from a usb stick, copy the cd iso onto it
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04:31<tailf>bones_was_here: yeah, i was installing from a usb with the net install. i wasn't sure if there were any other iso's to try, because the downloads page lists like 70 CD parts for one installation?
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04:31<bones_was_here>you just need the net install iso on the usb
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04:32<bones_was_here>the one you'd normally burn to a cd
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04:34<tailf>bones_was_here: hmm.. i imaged the net install iso to the usb and am able to boot from it and get to the debian install gui. the ~3rd step of the intsall process searches for a cd rom and then fails?
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04:34<tailf>cant seem to see many people on google with similar issues, so maybe im doing it wrong
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04:38<bones_was_here>umm my memory is fuzzy :/ in the past you couldn't just image the iso onto the usb, you had to use an image for hdd/usb installs which created a fat filesystem you had to copy the iso onto
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04:41<zeropiel>I'm trying to get wine 1.4, the newest stable wine, installed on my squeeze
04:43<zeropiel>backports seems to use 1.0
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04:44<tailf>bones_was_here: ah, fair enough. thanks for your comments. will have to hunt around and perhaps see if i can find an alternate iso
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04:49<bones_was_here>according to the manual what you did should work :/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
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05:12<brando753>How do I decrypt an external harddrive that is using LUKS encryption on boot in debian and then mount one of its logical voulmes on boot? I was thinking of using /etc/fstab to mount he volume but how do I make it decrypt first?
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05:19<forestbird>brando753: man crypttab
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05:32<brando753>thanks forestbird
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05:42<eduard>hello again everyone
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05:43<eduard>does debian contain equinox gtk engine in the repositories? Tried searching for with no luck
05:47<eduard>i'm asking because i'm constantly getting this error http://paste.debian.net/177195/
05:48<eduard>of course i compiled the engine by myself..
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05:50<eduard>any ideas???
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05:58<Dr_O>1341136630:7AB023E8D05839682F400FD93457A6D9FB544BF8 solochat
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06:00<brando753>alright so I added my external drive to my /etc/cryptab and its LVM partition to my /etc/fstab and it works great, but If I dont have the external harddrive attached (about 50% of the time being its a laptop) the system boots into a root recovery shell which I have to Ctrl+D out of, Is there a way to avoid this since half the times the drive wont be there?
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06:08<gnugr>eduard:try to get aurora engine insteed ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gtk2-engines-aurora/
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06:09<dualboot>brando753: Is there the option "noauto" in fstab for the LVM partition?
06:09<eduard>gnugr: nvm, but thanks for the suggestion. Found the problem solution by myself
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06:10<Dr_O>dualboot: check the fstab man page - says noauto is flesystem independant
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06:11<brando753>what does noauto do? I want it to automaticly mount the partition if the device is present
06:11<brando753>It also is in both fstab and crypttab
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06:12<Dr_O>What are you trying to achieve: an external disk with LVM on be hot plugged?
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06:15<Dr_O>if that is so you want to read /etc/init.d/lvm2 and note the vgscan and vgchange commands then read the vgscan man page and note the section that says " Define a filter in lvm.conf(5) to restrict the scan to avoid a CD ROM, for example"
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06:15<dualboot>brando753: I guess that you can only do by making it noauto in fstab and mounting it if external drive is attached in rc.local or something like that.
06:16<TheBonsai>probably autofs
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06:17<zeropiel>i'm trying to compile wine and get this error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries.
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06:18<Dr_O>If the external drive has LVM on it you will need to vgscan it when it is plugged in before you can mount stuff from it
06:18<zeropiel>Is there a way to bulk install 32-bit libs?
06:20<Dr_O>zeropiel: on squeeze?
06:20<zeropiel>Dr_O: er, yeah
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06:23<Dr_O>apt-get install $(apt-cache search lib32 | grep ^lib32 | awk '{print $1}' )
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06:23<Dr_O>preceed with echo to test!
06:23<zeropiel>nice, thanks
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06:32<madmax>Anybody know what the public key is for the netinst images?
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06:32<madmax>just to run gpg --verify xxxxx.asc xxxx.iso
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06:33<madmax>md5 hash does not really cut it.
06:33<Dr_O>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/
06:34<Dr_O>looking at above the md5 file is signed
06:34<madmax>Thx Dr_O
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06:47<geobilalis>im on xubuntu, how to change keyboard layout (alt+shift) in order to swith languages when typing?
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06:48<towo`>geobilalis, ask in an ubuntu-channel
06:48<geobilalis>ok
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07:25<logicbug>Does anyone here use Xchat on Ubuntu server?
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07:37<ayaka>I hvae problem with gmail and postfix ,I get 530 5.7.0 Must ssue a STARTTLS command first, here is my main,cf of postfix http://paste.debian.net/177204/
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07:47<Osiris_X>my 'top' load average is always 0.00 0.00 0.00 - what could be wrong?
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07:49<vmaramreddy>hi
07:49<vmaramreddy>what is this channel
07:50<Apollo>it's support for debian
07:50<Apollo>if you don't know what debian is, you're not in the right channel
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07:50<vmaramreddy>oh ok got it
07:50<Apollo>Osiris_X: I don't see what's wrong?
07:50<Osiris_X>Apollo: I know my machine is under load - the load average figure never changes
07:50<vmaramreddy>i am very interested to develop some thing
07:51<vmaramreddy>so how to develop apps for debian
07:51<Apollo>You write them in any language, make sure they compile/run on debian, tadaa
07:52<vmaramreddy>yeah ofcourse ..but basically what sort of set up i required
07:52<Apollo>Osiris_X: try running cpuburn
07:52<Apollo>see if that changes the load averages
07:52<Apollo>if it doesn't, something is off, if it does, all is fine and dandy
07:52<Apollo>vmaramreddy: what do you mean?
07:53<Osiris_X>Apollo: sure but this machine is Pentium M 1.6GHz - it's under load as soon as I turn it on LOL
07:53<vmaramreddy>nothing.i will google it
07:53<vmaramreddy>k but who is Apollo
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08:01<Osiris_X>Apollo: cpuburn did not cause the load average in top to change
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08:07<sasho>yo
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08:22<Apollo>Osiris_X: that's odd indeed
08:22<Apollo>which kernel are you running, which debian version are you on
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08:55<beer>I just upgraded from testing to sid and some of my kde programs starts slowly so I filed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302829. you might have a look at it
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08:57<Apollo>beer: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=76782
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09:06<vbox>how can I upgrade from kde 4.4.5 to 4.8.2
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09:07<diederik>vbox: by upgrading your whole system. You may want to think twice before doing that
09:08<vbox>diederiik how can I upgrade the whole system?
09:08<vbox>diederik how can I upgrade the whole system?
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09:09<abrotman>!tell vbox about squeeze->wheezy
09:09<abrotman>vbox: good luck, hopefully the whole system doesn't explode
09:10<diederik>By reading up @ www.debian.org/doc/ and plan accordingly.
09:10<diederik>I'm not going (to try to) explain it, like abrotman said, your system may 'explode'.
09:11<diederik>Besides that there are various migrations going on making things even harder
09:12<diederik>By the time wheezy becomes stable it shouldn't be that hard IF you follow instructions (and have a backup of course)
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09:13<diederik>If your username is an indication that you're using virtualbox, you can try it inside a vm to see what happens
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09:14<diederik>highly recommended reading: http://debian-handbook.info/
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09:30<gomoran>after update to mysql 5.5.24+dfsg-4 mysql-processes are at 100% CPU
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09:34<omer>hi
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09:35<omer>i have problem with fglrx-driver
09:35<omer>after i switched of the X and wrote aticonfig --initial command X doesn't start
09:35<towo`>yes, you have, it is named fglrx
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09:36<omer>:)
09:36<omer>is there any solution for my problem
09:36<omer>?
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09:37<towo`>omer, "doesn't start" is not a bug report or an error message
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09:38<omer>i don't know but
09:38<towo`>you use debian stable?
09:39<omer>when i give the "aticonfig --initial" comand without stopping X
09:39<omer>Found fglrx primary device section
09:39<towo`>can you answer the question?
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09:40<omer>no
09:40<omer>wheezy
09:40<towo`>64bit?
09:40<omer>but i installed it from sid
09:40<omer>yes 64 bit
09:40<towo`>then you have a problem
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09:41<towo`>fglrx 12-6 does not work with xserver 1.12.x in 64bit
09:42<omer>so i have to wait new driver
09:42<omer>?
09:42<towo`>who knows
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09:42<omer>:) thank u
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10:03<Jzebus>Dumb question I know but any way to determine whether my PC is crashing because of hardware or software?
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10:11<ompaul>Jzebus: check the log files /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog and others
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10:13<teeQuiero>ana
10:13<teeQuiero>ola
10:13<teeQuiero>maarina me escuchas jajajajaXd
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10:14<diederik>!es
10:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:15<Jzebus>thanks ompaul taking a look but nothing obvious. Anything I can set going to capture the failure?
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10:16<anita>ola
10:16<anita>me escucha laguie ok
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10:17<ompaul>!es
10:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:18<ompaul>Jzebus: you could run a live / install cd for a memtest - however first I'd be inclined to let openssh-server run on it, and then do mad stuff like try to ssh into it when it appears to be frozen
10:19<ompaul>Jzebus: I have some hardware that appears to lock up but it's a bad X crash and I use service kdm restart to get the box back in some kind of condition where I can either resume or get enough control to reboot the box cleanly
10:20<Jzebus>I can't log in using SSH, I tried, have mpd running on it and that died also
10:20<Jzebus>it either freezes completely or powers itself off :(
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10:21<anita>ola
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10:21<dnlrg>Jzebus, check temperatures
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10:21<dnlrg>Jzebus, and power supply
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10:22<Jzebus>Temps for CPU, MB and GPUs look fine
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10:22<Jzebus>hard drives get hotter than I'd like but well within limits (under 50C)
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10:24<Jzebus>I would call it hardware from how it is, but I just updated and got new NVIDIA drivers (I think) and other stuff
10:24<massive>hello @ all
10:25<diederik>Jzebus: powers itself off or reboots? Reboots could be kernel-panic, powers off I'd say hardware
10:26<Jzebus>freezes or powers off
10:26<Jzebus>I'm 90% sure it's hardware but it's only happened today after a few package updates. Could be coincidence.
10:27<diederik>Do you have multiple kernels installed?
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10:27<ompaul>go back one and also do you **need** the nvida stuff
10:27<Jzebus>good point diederik, only problem being NVIDIA drivers
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10:28<Jzebus>yeah, I need the NVIDIA I've two cards and nothing else works
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10:29<diederik>do you use the nvidia drivers provided by debian or from nvidia.com?
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10:30<Jzebus>from Debian, running Sid and I think I just got an update
10:30<diederik>If your system also functions with using only 1 card, you may try that, also in combination with nouveau drivers.
10:30<ompaul>nouveau
10:30<ompaul>did you try that
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10:30<Jzebus>yeah, nouveau is a no go
10:30<diederik>It may not be optimal or what you really want, but it may help pinpoint your issue
10:31<Jzebus>reboot after trying a distro with nouveau and the cards are still ver very hot
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10:32<diederik>Jzebus: you're using nvidia-kernel-dkms ? If not, you should
10:32<Jzebus>I am
10:33<Jzebus>both cards are cool enough (65C and 74C [fanless])
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10:34<diederik>with dkms, rebooting a different kernel shouldn't be an issue as it compiles for all kernels (I think). If it doesn't compile for all kernels, there's quite likely a dkms switch to trigger it
10:34<Jzebus>ah, not realised that
10:35<Jzebus>thanks, I'll do that next time it dies
10:35<diederik>check /lib/modules/<kernelversion>/updates/dkms/
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10:37<Jzebus>hmm, nothing in the older kernel version folders
10:37<diederik>Same on my system
10:37<Jzebus>(3.2.0-2-amd64 being the older)
10:37<Alam_Squeeze>dkms autoinstall
10:37<Jzebus>suggests the drivers aren't present?
10:38<Alam_Squeeze>should force dkms to compile modules for all the kernels
10:38<diederik>looks like Alam_Squeeze is more familiar with dkms :)
10:39<Alam_Squeeze>yea, to force virtualbox and nvida modules to be install for all my kernels
10:39<Jzebus>: "Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file.
10:39<Jzebus>File: does not exist."
10:39<Alam_Squeeze>...
10:39<Alam_Squeeze>HAHAHAHAHAH
10:39<Alam_Squeeze>oh god..
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10:40<Alam_Squeeze>Jzebus: pastebin the output of 'dkms --version' and 'dpkg -l dkms'
10:40<diederik>Jzebus: you did 'locate dkms.conf' ?
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10:41<diederik>If so, do (as root) updatedb.mlocate
10:41<Jzebus>don't need to patebin it's "dkms: 2.2.0.3"
10:41<Alam_Squeeze>oh
10:42<Alam_Squeeze>I see
10:42<Alam_Squeeze>some modulesregisted to dkms BUT did not drop a dkms.conf to how to compile it
10:42<Alam_Squeeze>you would see some /usr/src/foobar-module/dkms.conf
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10:44<Jzebus>no dkms.conf under there
10:44<forestbird>anyone affected by the leap second bug? funny stuff
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10:45<diederik>then your install didn't go too well. I have /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/302.17/build/dkms.conf and /usr/src/nvidia-302.17/dkms.conf
10:45<Jzebus>leap second bug, not head of it?
10:46<Jzebus>I've nvidia-302.17 under /usr/source
10:46<Jzebus>*/usr/src
10:46<Alam_Squeeze>so /usr/src/nvidia-302.17/dkms.conf exists?
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10:47<Jzebus>yes
10:47<forestbird>http://blog.mozilla.org/it/2012/06/30/mysql-and-the-leap-second-high-cpu-and-the-fix/
10:47<forestbird>so if anyone has high cpu load... do the ntp stuff mentioned there
10:47<Jzebus>apologies for not reading properly earlier
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10:48<forestbird>high cpu load for no reason... that is
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10:49<Alam_Squeeze>Jzebus: could you do 'stace -o /tmp/dkms.log dkms autoinstall'
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10:50<Jzebus>stace command not found
10:51<TheBonsai>strace
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10:52<Alam_Squeeze>ahah
10:52<amitz>is debian wheezy frozen yet?
10:52<diederik>yes
10:52<amitz>neat, thanks
10:53<Jzebus>strace not found either
10:53<Alam_Squeeze>heh, do you have the strace package installed?
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10:54<Jzebus>I do now, now I know what it's called :P
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10:55<Jzebus>but
10:56<Jzebus>I get "Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file.
10:56<Jzebus>File: does not exist."
10:57<diederik>Jzebus: do you use aptitude as your pkg manager?
10:58<Jzebus>I use apt-get
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10:59<diederik>does apt-get have an equivalent to 'aptitude reinstall' ?
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11:00<Jzebus>think dpkg is used for that?
11:01<diederik>apt-get and aptitude both use dpkg as their backend, so technically you're correct
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11:01<Jzebus>i meant I tihnk it's probably "dpkg -r" or something
11:02<diederik>What I was thinking: reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms and then do 'updatedb.mlocate'
11:02<Jzebus>ah, OK
11:02<diederik>apart from dpkg -i <debfile> I have no experience with using dkpg directly
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11:03<diederik>locate dkms.conf really should find sth then
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11:05<diederik>LOL apt-get shows "This APT has Super Cow Powers." Only knew a similar msg from aptitude
11:05<Jzebus>hmm, that's interesting, missing dependencies
11:06<diederik>sounds like sth to fix ;)
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11:06<Jzebus>I think I should leave things and wait for the next update then look into dependency checking
11:07<diederik>what would be the benefit of that?
11:07<Jzebus>perhaps I'm being noobish but I find with sid things break then get fixed
11:07<diederik>I don't expect a new driver version any time soon
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11:07<Jzebus>there was one yesterday, I think
11:08<diederik>It's working perfectly fine here (but I have 1 card)
11:08<diederik>Yes 302.17-3
11:08<diederik>dependency problems should be fixed asap imo
11:09<Jzebus>probably, but I tend to find waiting a few days works out
11:09<craigevil>apt-get install --reinstall foo
11:09<Jzebus>thanks craigevil
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11:09<Jzebus>I never recall it when I need it. Only been using Debian based distros 8 years or so...
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11:10<craigevil>apt-get -f install usually fixes dependency issues
11:11<Jzebus>yeah, I'll do that, today feels like a between-dependency-resolution day though
11:12<Osiris_X>Apollo: I am running kernel 3.4.1 on Debian Wheezy (with a dash of Sid)
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11:16<Apollo>Osiris_X: is it a custom kernel?
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11:16<Apollo>are you running top as root?
11:16<Osiris_X>Apollo: yes is a custom kernel and I'm not running top as root (but I will try this now)
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11:17<Osiris_X>Apollo: the problem still occurs under 'sudo top'
11:18<proby>hello , when am trying to remove epiphany browser it says that gnome and gnome core will be removed , i want only to remove epiphany how to do it??
11:18<Apollo>Osiris_X: I'm blaming the custom kernel
11:19<pparadis>proby: you can't.
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11:19<Osiris_X>Apollo: ok that maybe a fair shout - I have an amd64 and i386 version of this kernel (same patches and as many of the same options as possible)
11:20<Osiris_X>Apollo: and the amd64 version doesn't have this problem only the i386 version
11:20<Jzebus>well, reinstalled nvidia-kernel-dkms and tried the strace command again but still "Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file.
11:20<Jzebus>File: does not exist"
11:20<engla>proby: you have to understand metapackages like gnome and gnome-core. they are fine to remove, but you will need to mark their dependencies as manually installed (= wanted by you) afterwards
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11:21<proby>engla i hadn't understand any word
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11:21<pparadis>proby: gnome-core depends on either epiphany-browser or gnome-www-browser (which is a virtual package provided by chromium-browser, epiphany-browser, galeon, iceweasel, kazehakase), so one of those must be installed before epiphany-browser can be removed.
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11:22<proby>pparadis even if i don't want to use them?
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11:22<proby>also evolution *
11:23<proby>damn i don't want anny additional unused software installed
11:23<pparadis>proby: see dependencies here --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gnome-core
11:23<engla>proby: once you understand metapackages you'll be able to uninstall epiphany just fine
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11:23<proby>okey ill google it
11:23<pparadis>proby: evolution data server is actually required for gnome, but not evolution itself.
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11:24<Apollo>Osiris_X: to me it looks like protections of the /proc filesystem
11:25<Apollo>but I'm not too sure
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11:29<proby>pparadis i understand the dependencies but lol uninstalling a browser removes the whole DE lolz
11:29<sney>!unmarkauto
11:29<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
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11:31<proby>sney thx and now we can work :p , but am using synaptic not aptitude
11:31<Osiris_X>Apollo: thanks for the hint that it might be the kernel - I found this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/838811 - it could be this issue
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11:32<sney>they're just frontends to the same system. I don't know if synaptic has an unmarkauto function. but if you use aptitude to unmarkauto certain packages, synaptic will respect those changes
11:32<Osiris_X>Apollo: I will also check /proc related options on my next compile
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11:33<pparadis>sney: thanks for reminding me of that, i never hit this because i either build minimal desktop environments from the start or don't care if a "standard" set of packages is installed.
11:34<sney>I've never run afoul of it either
11:34<proby>sney not working
11:35<sney>!doesnt work
11:35<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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11:35<proby>sney when am truying to uninstall the epiphany package after the unmarkauto done it says always gnome will be removed
11:36<sney>if it says just 'gnome' will be removed, that's fine, the package called 'gnome' is a metapackage that does not contain any software. If you see a huge list of packages all relating to gnome that say they'll be removed, that's when there's a problem
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11:36<proby>sney gnome-core
11:36<pparadis>i presume that is happening because it still has a hard dependency for one of chromium-browser, epiphany-browser, galeon, iceweasel, kazehakase being installed.
11:36<sney>same situation
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11:37<sney>gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop, gnome-full etc are all metapackages
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11:38<proby>sney only epiphany is installed
11:38<proby>epiphany-browser
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11:44<proby>sney i swear i used the unmarkauto , but am still having gnome removed with epiphany-browser
11:44<diederik>what did you unmarkauto on?
11:44<engla>proby: it's fine to remove a metapackage
11:44<proby>engla but my gnome desktop wont work
11:45<engla>proby: why not?
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11:45<diederik>proby: on what pkg did you do unmarkauto?
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11:45<proby>diederik : gnome and gnome-core , gnome-desktop_env
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11:46<proby>engla because i had removed evolution-data-server and the desktop hadn't started
11:46<diederik>ok, and gnome _depends_ on a browser, so if you remove the only browser you've installed, that'll brake gnome's dependency, so it gets removed
11:46<diederik>note I said browser, not epiphany-browser
11:47<engla>proby: that's not really related. you can remove metapackages just fine, you just have to be careful and make sure no wanted packages are removed
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11:48<proby>engla okey , diederik , if a DE depends on a browser i think they should hire my litle brother to reconstruct their minds
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11:51<diederik>LOL. Good luck then
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11:53<diederik>You're probably the first person in the world (with a pc) that does not want to use the internet.
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11:53<diederik>thanks, turned of those msgs
11:54<pparadis>and nothing of value was lost.
11:54<engla>proby did not want to change their previous idea of what the gnome package represented
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11:59<pparadis>diederik: excellent reference :)
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12:00<diederik>thanks ;)
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12:24<_cobra_>how to create a link?
12:24<_cobra_>i cant manage to find how with ln
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12:28<Jzebus>usually i symlink by convention so "ln -s /path/to/file linkname"
12:28<chealer>_cobra_: what kind of link do you want to create?
12:29<Jzebus>http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ln
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12:51<_cobra_>my screen keeps using bash as a shell
12:51<_cobra_>although i did chsh and got zsh
12:51<_cobra_>I need to put the the .screenrc in home
12:51<_cobra_>if I do that, it works
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13:54<Sidicas>I am running wheezy, but nred xorgbserver from squeeze. Any way to do this? fglrx is broken.
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14:20<amitz>Sidicas: we don't usually support such setup so unless you have a more specific question, chance of help is almost nil.
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14:58<Night>....Hi?
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15:00<gotmynick>Hello
15:00<gotmynick>ouch Night left
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15:13<lacrosse1991>hello, I was wondering if I could get some help with a java issue i am having on debian squeeze?
15:14<dvs>!ask
15:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:16<lacrosse1991>I have a problem with sun-java6-jre using up all cpu resources available whenever it is ran
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15:17<jrodriguez>Hi all
15:18<albertsh>I have a problem with Debian; I'm running Debian version 1000.0. When I try to do a bootup of my system I get the following output GRUB: missing stage 2. I expected it to do something. Should I delete Linux and try again? :( /troll
15:18<albertsh>lacrosse1991, sometimes the JAR/java file is CPU intensive?
15:18<jrodriguez>I have a problem with Debian Squeeze and it is that I cannot to configure Lilo
15:18<jrodriguez>I installed, uninstalled lilo 2.8 and Grub2
15:18<lacrosse1991>its pretty much anything java related atm, even when I just type java and press enter
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15:19<albertsh>jrodriguez, what do you mean by install - the package or the bootloader? You need to be root in order to install
15:19<albertsh>lacrosse1991, that's interesting. What's the Java version, and where did you install it from?
15:19<jrodriguez>editted the lilo.conf but always at start the PC it says "LILO 22.8...." and I have no options to start another operative system on my PC
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15:20<jrodriguez>apt-get install/remove
15:20<lacrosse1991>as of right now I have the following installed: java-common install
15:20<lacrosse1991>javascript-common install
15:20<lacrosse1991>sun-java6-bin install
15:20<lacrosse1991>sun-java6-jre install
15:20-!-lacrosse1991 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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15:20<jrodriguez>I need to add my Windows partition to Lilo or Grub2
15:20<lacrosse1991>sorry about that, those were the java packages that I currently have installed
15:21<lacrosse1991>which were installed from the debian repos
15:21<albertsh>jrodriguez, I'm more of a Grub guy than a Lilo guy, sorry :( Stick around and maybe someone familiar with Lilo can help.
15:21<jrodriguez>but I configure and execute lilo and the first screen is always the same, "lilo 22.8...." and start Debian
15:21<albertsh>lacrosse1991, I'm taking wild guesses here, but what do you get with java --version?
15:22<jrodriguez>I want to use Grub2 really, but I don't know why always the PC starts with lilo
15:22<albertsh>(If it's more than one line, paste bin it)
15:22<albertsh>jrodriguez, did you try doing an apt-get purge?
15:22<jrodriguez>no
15:22<albertsh>purge should remove any and all files related to Lilo
15:22<jrodriguez>i'll try iy
15:22<jrodriguez>it
15:23<albertsh>then make sure Grub gets installed
15:23<jrodriguez>ok Albertsh, I will try iy now
15:23<jrodriguez>yes, it is installed
15:23<albertsh>it should be indicated by the installation output :)
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15:23<albertsh>and then sudo grub-install (or something like that)
15:23<albertsh>actually, purge both packages, then reinstall grub
15:23<jrodriguez>ok
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15:24<amitz>lacrosse1991: oh, google java linux leap second byg
15:24<amitz>bug
15:24<Smyds>hi
15:25<jrodriguez>I've made apt-ger purge lilo and grub2 and apt-get install grub2
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15:25<Smyds>I'm using testing, but I installed some packages from unstable. How could I get a list of these packages ?
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15:25<amitz>lacrosse1991: the no brainer solution atm is to restart linux. others involve tinkering with datetime and ntp(d), or something along those lines.
15:25<albertsh>jrodriguez, yup
15:26<albertsh>and hopefully during the install process grub actually gets installed to your btldr
15:26<albertsh>*bootloader
15:26<albertsh>(HDD)
15:26<jrodriguez>I hope
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15:26<jrodriguez>I installed Grub2 and the shell said only installed
15:26<jrodriguez>no more
15:26<albertsh>afterwards, post the console output on paste.debian.net
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15:26<jrodriguez>in first instance, I think it' ok
15:26<albertsh>(and put the paste link here)
15:26<jrodriguez>it's ok
15:27<chealer>Smyds: which package manager do you use?
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15:28<albertsh>jrodriguez, let me know how it goes - if it works, great! :D If not, tell me and I can try to give you more commands
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15:29<jrodriguez>it's pasted
15:29<jrodriguez>what more do I have to do with it?
15:29<albertsh>copy the link address and put it here :)
15:29<jrodriguez>ok
15:29<ratnick>mid year. 186 behind: 186 to go
15:29<jrodriguez>http://paste.debian.net/177282/
15:29<albertsh>It's just a website, I don't know what goes on :)
15:29<jrodriguez>the only think it is in Spanish
15:30<jrodriguez>but I can translate
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15:30<albertsh>heh :) I can somewhat understand it :P
15:30<jrodriguez>the package was installed automatically and it is no necesary
15:30<johgro>Smyds: WIth aptitude, the command <aptitude search "~S ~i ~A unstable ! ~S ~i ~A testing"> should list packages where your installed version matches the version in unstable, but is not equal to the version in testing.
15:31<albertsh>jrodriguez, so you are returned to the terminal prompt after the last line?
15:31<jrodriguez>it will be installed Grub2
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15:31<jrodriguez>yes, I have the "$"
15:31<albertsh>hmm
15:31<albertsh>OK, so we still need to actually install it.
15:31<jrodriguez>I only copied from the initial "$" to the end of the output
15:31<albertsh>Do you know where your HDD is?
15:31<albertsh>(/dev/sd??)
15:32<jrodriguez>sda
15:32<jrodriguez>it's a laptop
15:32<albertsh>So /dev/sda
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15:32<jrodriguez>/dev/sda6 is my "/"
15:33<albertsh>Then run the following as root (with sudo or as the user root)
15:33<albertsh>grub-install /dev/sda
15:33<jrodriguez>ok
15:33<albertsh>and
15:33<albertsh>grub-install --recheck /dev/sda
15:33<albertsh>...to ensure that it worked
15:33<albertsh>Then reboot and see if it worked.
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15:33<jrodriguez>no error reported to the first line
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15:34<jrodriguez>and no error reported to the second line
15:34<knasto>Hello, I just installed debian alongside windows xp; however, the entry for windows xp is not in the grub list. Any one know how to fix this?
15:34<jrodriguez>please, pray for me, I'll restart
15:34<albertsh>ok, type: echo $?
15:34<albertsh>tell me what number you get
15:34<jrodriguez>0
15:34<albertsh>good :) Go ahead and reboot!
15:34<jrodriguez>ok, thanks
15:35<lacrosse1991>hello sorry had to grab something, will grab version
15:35<jrodriguez>if I don't come back to say thanks, it doesn't worked
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15:35<jrodriguez>thanks a lot
15:35<johgro>knasto: Boot debian, get a terminal session starting as root user, and run update-grub. Then reboot and check if that helped.
15:35<lacrosse1991>also did you say it could be time related? the one jar that usually runs did complain about the time "turning backwards"
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15:36<knasto>johgro, will try your suggestion and report back, thanks
15:36*albertsh crosses his fingers
15:37<lacrosse1991>here is the version btw http://pastebin.com/tjjy571v
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15:38<chealer>knasto: which Debian suite did you install?
15:39<shayomi>Hello, I've got an iptables problem. As far as I know DCC chooses a random port, so I don't know what outgoing rule should I enable in order to allow only DCC traffic.
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15:39<knasto>chealer, i installed sqeeze dvd i386
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15:39<jrodriguez>Hi
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15:39<chealer>knasto: did the installer mention it detected Windows?
15:39<jrodriguez>Albertsh, it woeked!!!
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15:40<knasto>chealer, yes it did which is why im surprised it didnt show up in the boot menu
15:40<jrodriguez>thanks a lot, you're a genius!
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15:40<albertsh>jrodriguez, congrats :D
15:40<albertsh>(and no problem :))
15:40<chealer>knasto: I'm not sure what problem you're experiencing, but do try running os-prober and update-grub in Debian.
15:40<jrodriguez>thank you very much
15:40<albertsh>no problem :)
15:41<jrodriguez>good night (almost here in Spain)
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15:41<jrodriguez>bye
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15:41<albertsh>heh, cya! :)
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15:42<knasto>chealer, i did run 'update-grub' as suggested by johgro as well and this was the output: "Found Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition on /dev/sda1"
15:42<knasto>so im hoping it will work now
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15:42<chealer>knasto: looks good
15:42<knasto>thanks chealer and johgro, will restart now
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15:44<chrowe>I am trying to install debian on a guru plug and am having issues with the installer text encoding. see https://skitch.com/chrowe/ergq7/crowe-screen-80x24
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15:45<chrowe>I am starting the installer from U-Boot per http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/install.html
15:45<scientes>chrowe, use LANG=C when opening the serial console
15:45<scientes>chrowe, and turn off flow control
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15:46<scientes>something like 115200n8
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15:48<chrowe>scientes: thanks, I'm trying those now
15:48<lacrosse1991>ok great, ended up doing a restart and the cpu problem has dissapeared, thanks :)
15:49<chrowe>scientes: no luck
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15:49<chrowe>scientes: text is all fine until I get to the installer screen
15:50<chrowe>I am running OS X and connecting over a USB to Serial adaptor using screen
15:51<gotmynick>you can try this on screen: defutf8 on
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15:55<ozfalcon>I am new to debian. Am trying to build a dedicated mame box. Compiling mame source was successful. But mame runs only in Software GL mesa. How do I get mame to run with HW accel GL?
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15:55<scientes>chrowe, then try LANG=en_US.UTF-8
15:55<scientes>chrowe, i think the problem is that your terminal client is assuming ISO-8859-1
15:55<ozfalcon>Do the 6.0.5 video drivers support Hardware Accel GL?
15:56<scientes>chrowe, or assuming 7-bit ASCII
15:56<ozfalcon>does Debian 6.0.5 video drivers support Hardware Accel GL?
15:56<scientes>or even just flow control
15:56<scientes>chrowe, you could try installing minicom, its what i use
15:56<chrowe>scientes: I am running 'screen /dev/tty.usbserial-FTVB6LSDB 115200n8 LANG=en_US.UTF-8'
15:56<scientes>chrowe, put the LANG at the beginning
15:57<scientes>its a bash variable assignment, it must be at the beginning
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16:03<chrowe>scientes: so luck with LANG=en_US.UTF-8 screen /dev/tty.usbserial-FTVB6LSDB 115200n8
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16:12<amitz>what are the list of desktop environment in debian wheezy? it's not easily googleable
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16:13<sney>Desktop Environments (tm) would be limited to gnome, kde, xfce, and lxde, as far as I know. the list of window managers is far longer
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16:17<amitz>thanks. that's what I figured so far, I half expected it's somewhere in categorical browser. it isn't.
16:17<scientes>chrowe, try installing minicom, i think you can get in macports or something like that
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16:17<scientes>chrowe, and then there are a bunch of docs on how to use minicom in the plug computing wiki
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16:18<scientes>you start it with minicom -s and then turn off flow control, etc
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16:18<chrowe>scientes: thanks, Ill give it a try
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16:29<iandalton>It's a small thing, but why is aptitude update slow? It says it fetched data at 18.1 kB/s. A bandwidth test says I have 10ms ping and 8.55 Mbps down.
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16:30<sney>iandalton, mirror speed
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16:31<iandalton>So it would be faster if I replaced the debian.org lines with a nearby mirror?
16:31<Null>Yes.
16:31<chrowe>scientes: well, it worked out of the box from my Ubuntu VM using screen
16:32<sney>iandalton, yep, or use http.debian.net
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16:45<iandalton>sney: I got a hash sum mismatch using http.debian.net; what does that mean?
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16:46<sney>iandalton, that usually goes away if you run apt-get update again
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16:52<chealer>iandalton: probably that your mirror is updating and currently inconsistent. some mirrors stay inconsistent for long periods of time
16:52<iandalton>OK, I had to update w/ apt-get; aptitude wasn't liking the changes. Now it works with both, but it's slower than before.
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17:40<ex0a>where do i change the delay when logging in via ssh pubkey? it's taking upwards of 10 seconds to authenticate and this machine is way too powerful for it to be bottlenecking
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17:40<Woet>ex0a: sounds like it cannot resolve the rDNS
17:40<ex0a>how do i disable that?
17:40<Woet>ex0a: look into the PTR record of the person connecting and the DNS servers resolving it
17:40<Woet>well, you should just fix it, but you can disable it in sshd_config if you insist
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17:40<Woet>UseDNS NO
17:40<Woet>no *
17:41<ex0a>well i don't have control of the rdns for this ip so there's not much i can fix
17:41<ex0a>and ty
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17:41<Woet>ex0a: if it's the IP you are IRCing from, PTR is fine on that one
17:41<ex0a>it's not
17:41<Woet>so it would be the DNS servers on the machine
17:41<Woet>okay
17:42<ex0a>ty though
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17:42<ex0a>hmm it still took 4-5 seconds
17:42<ex0a>maybe i'll run it in debug mode later and see what's going on
17:43<Woet>did you restart sshd?
17:43<ex0a>yes
17:43<Woet>also checked syslog/secure/auth.log?
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17:43<ex0a>i haven't checked logs
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17:43<ex0a>will do though
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17:47<gotmynick>if it's a static ip, you may touch /etc/hosts, or even edit ~/.ssh/config with a Host/HostName pair
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17:47<ex0a>it's not :(
17:48<ex0a>it's my crappy isp's dynamic adsl ip
17:48<gotmynick>Anyway "UseDNS no" should workaround dns issues
17:48<gotmynick>4 or 5 seconds without (rev)dns sounds slow
17:49<ex0a>yeah i don't remember it taking more than a second or so when i first deployed the machine
17:49<ex0a>which that's been a good while and seen quite a few updates/upgrades so there's a potential for something being misconfigured
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17:50<gotmynick>mmm ipv4 Vs ipv6 issues ?
17:51<gotmynick>you can try AddressFamily inet, in both ends, if it's ipv4
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18:23<ograf>my debian server is up and running well and im learning some html. Im having trouble with PHP forms, so i just wanted to check with you guys to make sure that PHP is supported by default, or not ..
18:23<ograf>sorry to be a bother, im just trying to narrow down some possibilities after 5 hours of PHP form fails
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18:25<themill>sure, php works just fine with debian
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18:26<ograf>ok so the apache install is functioning, and i have some basic html pages, so just to verify then: the PHP fails are user eroors. ok tnks
18:26<melmothX> you have to install the php module, of curse
18:26<ograf>s/eroors/errors
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18:46<lonoxmont>hello, i need some help installing debian 6.0.5 on a 32bit x86 machine, can anyone provide assistance?
18:46<petemc>just ask
18:48<lonoxmont>i have two scsi 10k drives im trying to put into a raid1 and install onto it, but something appears to be going wrong
18:48<lonoxmont>i get all the way through the intaller, but when it goes to reboot the system does not come up
18:48<lonoxmont>just black screen, with a blinking cursor
18:49<lonoxmont>i had it working how i wanted under ubuntu server, so i know the drive setup worked before...
18:49<lonoxmont>any ideas?
18:49<petemc>it seemed to install grub ok?
18:50<lonoxmont>grub bitched about an lvm header being wrong, but it did that under ubuntu as well
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18:51<lonoxmont>also if i look in the /var/syslog screen i get a bunch of messages about it trying to send ioctl stuff to a partition
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18:52<lonoxmont>ill see if i can get a copy pastebinned out
18:52<lonoxmont>its probably something ive done wrong by wanting a complex drive setup
18:53<petemc>raid1 on its own wouldnt be overly complex
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18:54<lonoxmont>well the software raid1 is just the / drive
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18:54<lonoxmont>i also want a bit more complex setup for the data drive, so i can expand it later
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18:55<lonoxmont>what i had before was an entire disk and a partition of the same size on another larger disk software raid1 together, then lvm on top of that, then the filesystem
18:55<lonoxmont>and had that mounted under a folder in /
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18:59<lonoxmont>is that outside the scope of this channel
18:59<lonoxmont>ive tried installing about 4 times now and it keeps not working
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19:02<bfly>is there a fix for the squeeze leap time kernel bug available via squeeze-updates, yet?
19:02<bfly>amd64, that is
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19:05<bfly>http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.32-45/changelog makes me think there' not (yet)
19:05<abrotman>bfly: http://blog.mozilla.org/it/2012/06/30/mysql-and-the-leap-second-high-cpu-and-the-fix/
19:05<bfly>abrotman: that's a(n unpackaged) kernel patch and a workaround, did i miss a package there?
19:06<abrotman>i'm not 100% an immediate kernel fix is required
19:06<lonoxmont>guess i could see if centos will do what i need it to do
19:06<lonoxmont>i know for sure commercial ontap support for them is available
19:06<lonoxmont>since they are an industry standard
19:07<abrotman>okay, good luck
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19:07<bfly>abrotman: maybe the workaround is sufficient, i'm not sure how often those leaps take place (do you?)
19:07<abrotman>bfly: i think the last one was a few years ago
19:08<bfly>oh in that case, i guess i might do another kernel update in between ;)
19:08<abrotman>one would think
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19:54<LSolaris>TO ALL: I need help telling wget NOT to continue/resume. Trial versions of Autodesk products are 16+ GB downloads and every time it continues, it corrupts. I want wget to start the file all over if the connection closes. It does not do this and it's pissing me off. I'm about to gut the continue code out of a local copy of the source code because I can't get it to not continue even with continue = off in wgetrc
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19:57<LSolaris>is this channel that dead? must I go to ubuntu help?
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19:58<engla_>LSolaris: patience
19:59<gotmynick>f () { wget -O file http://blablabla || { rm -f file; f; }; }; f
19:59<LSolaris>hahaha it's not an option? who writes/maintains wget so I can go virtually wring his neck!
19:59<gotmynick>as far as I know, it should not conitnue if you do not use wget -c
19:59<LSolaris>it does by default gotmynick
20:00<gotmynick>it should create "file", "file.1", "file.2"... at least that is what wget on my debian stable does
20:00<engla_>LSolaris: with 16GB, they should provide bittorrent or another protocol with checksummed parts
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20:00<LSolaris>yea, it doesn't. the progress bar looks like [++++++++=========> ] on subsequent tries
20:00<LSolaris>they don't
20:00<LSolaris>their download manager is stupid
20:01<engla_>LSolaris: try curl or another downloader?
20:01<LSolaris>and it jumps IPs between retries (the DNS trial.autodesk.com has multiple alias addresses). I may try with the IP instead of domain in the url to prevent this hopping, but I'm unsure if it's the hopping that corrupts the download.
20:02<LSolaris>never heard of curl, i'll look it up
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20:05<abrotman>he didn't even tell us the command he's trying
20:05<LSolaris>ok fine
20:05<scientes>abrotman, +1 for the third-person
20:06<LSolaris>wget --header "Host: trial.autodesk.com" --header "User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/13.0.1" --header "Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8" --header "Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5" --header "Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate" --header "Referer: http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/u/download/item_proc?siteID=123112&id=16500123&language=English&version=64-bit&scid=477
20:06<LSolaris>like it?
20:06<abrotman>did you try -nc ?
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20:07<LSolaris>why would I want -nc?
20:07*scientes sigh
20:08<LSolaris>-nc doesn't stop wget from going "Oh, here's fileA at 180k on the HDD, and here's fileA on the server at 500k, let's continue this download" instead of ".. and here's fileA on the server at 500k, let's delete fileA on the HDD and download from the server, from the beginning"
20:08<LSolaris>i want download from beginning, no rename
20:08<LSolaris>i don't want continue, i don't want rename
20:08<LSolaris>i want (if download dies before finished, delete file and restart)
20:09<LSolaris>debian's wget does not do this, neither by default or with options
20:09<LSolaris>now I'm gonna look at curl
20:10<LSolaris>(i hate when developers think they know best: another example is GNUPG being capable of 32kbit keys, but capped at 4kbit)
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20:23<leandro>pessoal alguém sabe qual o nome de um pacote .deb pra decorar a janela estilo semáforo do mac?
20:24<LSolaris>wget's man file fails in debian. it fails to state what -r and -p do
20:24<LSolaris>what do they do?
20:24<diederik>!pt
20:24<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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20:26<LSolaris>TO ALL: wget's man file fails in debian. it fails to state what -r and -p do. what do they do?
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20:28<gotmynick>my page list them. -r is for --recursive and -p is for --page-requisites
20:28<gotmynick>at least it's what it says
20:28<gotmynick>nights
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21:04<LSolaris>I have likely wasted about 100GB of both my and Autodesk's bandwidth this last week because of corruption. I am so calling their offices tomorrow...
21:05<LSolaris>I'm using a for loop that will exit after one increment of i, or if curl fails it'll rm the file then undo the increment in i, causing the loop to restart. for each file, in each suite
21:05<LSolaris>curl is set with --continue 0, to start at the 0th position of the file
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21:51<heinzes>hi! why does running 'cp --sparse=always infile outfile
21:51<heinzes>fill up my memory and kill almost all processes?
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21:52<heinzes>infile is 180GB, but only ~4GB are used
21:52<heinzes>I'm running uptodate testing (as of this morning)
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21:54<rocky>hello
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22:05<heinzes>same result if I just run 'cp infile outfile' without --sparse=always
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22:16<engla_>heinzes: on which filesystem?
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22:26<heinzes>engla_: on xfs
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23:04<cvenomz>Hi, I am having a problem with my networking, and I was hoping someone might have some advice. I can ping external IPs, but I can't resolve any hostnames. But what has me stumped is that I do have nameservers in my resolv.conf. Does anyone have any ideas?
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23:07<nevyn>can you ping the nameservers?
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23:08<nevyn>can you resolve names using the dns utils "host" is the new black in lookup tools
23:09<scientes>or dig
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23:10<rickyd33>dig is better
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23:11<nevyn>meh.
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23:11<diepacheco>I need some help, I can't install KDE on AV Linux
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23:13<cvenomz>yes, I can ping the nameservers
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23:14<cvenomz>I don't know about dig though. I am getting a "command not found", so I don't think I cann test that
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23:16<pparadis>cvenomz: what nameservers are you using in /etc/resolv.conf ? you might test "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in there.
23:16<cvenomz>I have my local router/dns server: 192.168.1.1, as well as an OpenDNS server: 208.67.222.222
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23:18<cvenomz>And I just added "nameserver 8.8.8.8" but I still can't get anything :\
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23:19<cvenomz>If it makes a difference, this debian server is being virtualized under OpenVZ
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23:45<paul>Hello.
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23:46<Guest1881>I have installed the latest version of debian but, I have no gui.
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23:47<sney>did you select "desktop environment" during your install?
23:48<Guest1881>Yes.
23:48<sney>what install media did you use?
23:48<Guest1881>DVD
23:48<Guest1881>Iso
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23:49<sney>when you say you have no gui, do you mean you get a text login, or does something else happen?
23:49<Guest1881>I get a text log in.
23:49<sney>are you on your debian system right now?
23:49<Guest1881>"debian login
23:50<Guest1881>I'm have it running on another computer.
23:51<Guest1881>I'm having basically the same problem with opensuse, but I had ubuntu and it worked fine.
23:53<cvenomz>have you tried running startx?
23:53<Guest1881>exec 3: /usr/bin/x not found
23:53<sney>!install x
23:53<dpkg>To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>.
23:54<Guest1881>How can I see if my computer is even connected to the internet?
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23:54<theuser>hi
23:54<cvenomz>you could try pinging something
23:54<roffo_>hi
23:55<roffo_>can't resolve host somethin
23:55<theuser>Any suggestion on how to speed up the process of connecting to a base station
23:55<theuser>It some times take forever for me
23:56<Guest1881>I tried to install xorg and got an error about inserting a disk.
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23:57<cvenomz>@roffo_: can you ping external IPs?
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23:57<roffo_>sorry was trying to make a bad joke
23:57<roffo_>i must go now my people need me
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23:59<Guest1881>It's assuming I have some disk I don't have.
23:59<sney>Guest1881, sounds like you didn't have a working network connection during the install. you'll need to update your /etc/apt/sources.list
23:59<sney>!squeeze sources.list
23:59<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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