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00:45<Guest2109>hotmail
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02:16<superuser>anyone have any ideas why google chrome wont work for me
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02:21<paul>Hello.
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02:22<superuser>hey
02:22<Flynn>I installed debian 12.1 but, I have no wireless. ?The install is brand new. On a dell inspiron 1721
02:23<Flynn>How's it going tonight, superuser?
02:23<superuser>pretty good, i thought that the newest debian was 6.0.5?
02:23<Flynn>O.
02:23<Flynn>Hmm.
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02:24<superuser>so.. what do you have then?
02:24<Flynn>Whatev's it's the newest one.
02:24<punkunity>hmm
02:24<Flynn>I may have confused it with opensuse. i installed that on a seperate partition.
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02:25<superuser>i might be able to help you with your wifi
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02:25<Flynn>Usually when this happens, it's just firmware I'm missing.
02:26<superuser>you mean software?
02:26<Flynn>In ubuntu, that is. This is my first time using debian.
02:26<nevyn>superuser: he really means firmware
02:26<nevyn>Flynn: what wifi is it?
02:27<Flynn>Driver, I guess. Whatever that is. Ubuntu always says firmware is missing and I download driver and it works.
02:27<superuser>ahh well its not that much diffrent in my opinion
02:27<Flynn>What wifi?
02:27<superuser>Flynn: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
02:27<nevyn>Flynn: what chip/manufacturer
02:28<superuser>nevyn: i doubt its firmware...
02:28<nevyn>if it's intel it probably is
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02:28<nevyn>the driver will be in the kernel already
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02:28<Flynn>O! yeah. It's a broadcom that came with it.
02:28<streuner__>we need details
02:28<nevyn>Flynn: try lspci
02:29<Flynn>I have AMD processor.
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02:29<streuner__>great
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02:29<streuner>Flynn: dude, we need details...
02:30<Flynn>from lspci: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4321 802.11a/b/g/n
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02:30<streuner>dpkg, listkeys 4321
02:30<dpkg>Factoid search of '4321' by key (2): 4321 ;; bcm4321.
02:30<nevyn>!bcm4321
02:30<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4321 (PCI IDs 14e4:4328, 14e4:4329, 14e4:432a; incorrectly identified as BCM4328, BCM4329 or BCM432A by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is a draft 802.11n wireless LAN chip. To install the vendor driver, ask me about <wl>. Supported by <b43> since Linux 2.6.38, use firmware-b43-installer in <testing>.
02:30<nevyn>Flynn: what kernel do you have?
02:31<Flynn>Not sure. What's the code to find out?
02:31<streuner>Flynn: cat /proc/version
02:32<Flynn>2.6.32-5-amd64
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02:34<Flynn>I hope ypu're not going to tell me to install some kernel that is untested.
02:35<streuner>well, the kernels in <backports> are usually not well supported, but i fear its the only way for you
02:35<Flynn>OK.
02:35<Flynn>Umm, I think I have one downloaded. Been down this road before.
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02:36<Flynn>Kernel 3.2.20-1
02:37<gsimmons>The vendor driver (/msg dpkg wl) can also be used, as mentioned above.
02:37<streuner>dpkg, wl
02:37<dpkg>wl is Broadcom's proprietary driver supporting BCM4312 LP-PHY (802.11g) and BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) based wireless LAN devices. To install (x86, x86-64 only) see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . As of broadcom-sta 5.100.82.112-2 (wheezy), the created wireless interface will use the "wlan" prefix (see NEWS.Debian.gz). See also <brcm80211>. For support of other Broadcom PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices, ask me about <b43>.
02:38<Flynn>How do I do that?
02:38<Flynn>Just type that into terminal?
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02:43<Flynn>None of those instructions are working.
02:43<streuner>Flynn: as gsimmons already told us, you have 2 options <backports> or <wl>, read both and decide what you want use
02:44<Flynn>wl sounds good, I guess.
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02:45<Flynn>it told me 'bash deb not found.
02:46<streuner>heh
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02:46<streuner>/msg dpkg wl
02:46<streuner>or
02:46<streuner>/msg dpkg backports
02:47<nevyn>or bdo kernel
02:47<streuner>yeah, better
02:47<nevyn>so to use the free driver you need a new kernel from backports
02:47<Flynn>In the wl instructions in says "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free
02:47<nevyn>AND the firmware installer from wheezy
02:48<jm_>it says to add that to sources.list, not run it ...
02:48<Flynn>O.
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02:49<Flynn>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
02:49<Flynn>oops wrong place.
02:51<XReaper>vi!
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02:51<XReaper>i suggest you learn it
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03:03<brando753>Is there a way to make debian install /boot onto a cdrom? so that the bootloader etc are on read only media
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03:07<jm_>brando753: no, you'll need to make a bootable CD yourself
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03:09<brando753>jm_: any guide or reference for this proccess?
03:09<brando753>im assuming it has to be done outside the installer then
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03:11<jm_>brando753: for grub it's 'info grub -> Installation -> Making a GRUB bootable CD-ROM', with isolinux it's explained in /usr/share/doc/syslinux/isolinux.txt.gz
03:11<paul_>OK. it's working. Thanx, guys.
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03:28<brando753>thanks jm_
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03:28<jm_>brando753: no worries
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03:44<brando753>jm_: how would I get this grup cd to decrypt a LVM setup first? or should it do this automaticly?
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03:44<jm_>brando753: that's a job for initramfs tools, isn't it?
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03:48<brando753>jm_: so using an encrypted LVM setup will not require a special grub setup?
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03:50<jm_>brando753: it's the same as on disk, the only difference is in how boot loader is installed and where it loads the files from
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03:58<s4br3>I'm upgrading a friends system but cannot remember the name of the package wich replaces "ia32-libs". Thanks for any help!
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04:13<quentusrex_>Anyone else running into issues with Iceweasel where the Addons list is corrupted? The error console is listing sql errors.
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04:14<quentusrex_>So far google has not turned up anything recent that is similar, and the more historical issues are unrelated on closer inspection.
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04:14<jm_>not here no
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04:18<quentusrex_>The specific errors are related to "Error creating statement getVisibleAddons" and "Exception calling provider getAddonsByTypes: TypeError: this.connection is undefined"
04:18<quentusrex_>just in case someone sees those errors and recognizes them.
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04:20<quentusrex_>At this moment I believe it has something to do with one of the sqlite files in the user profile directory since closing firefox and deleting the user profile resolves the issue 'for a while' until it gets corrupted again.
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04:39<NicoOOoOo>hello !
04:39<NicoOOoOo>Where is the good iso for an sid install plz ? when I try with this : http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ... is no good (at the start of install he say : The kernel of instaleur is no the same of the debian archive)
04:39<NicoOOoOo>plz help ! :)
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04:51<andrux0id|2>Hello #debian
04:52<andrux0id|2>People, can you check one thing ain testing?
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04:52<jm_>andrux0id|2: did you read the topic?
04:52<andrux0id|2>jm_: sorry
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05:13<rfx>Is there some easy/fast way to revert to an older state of packages if an upgrade brings problems with my application? I updated php packages, have compatibility problems and would like to revert to the before-installed package.
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06:53<dutchfish>Linux raspberrypi 3.2.21-rpi1+ #12 Sun Jul 1 18:10:03 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
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06:59<dutchfish>sorry posted in wrong channel
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07:10<Arafangion>I'm trying to compile gnucash from svn, however...
07:10<Arafangion>I've done so by first typing: aptitude build-dep gnucash
07:11<Arafangion>But I notice it didn't install *all* the dependencies? I notice that it didn't because I still don't have autoconf?
07:11<jm_>build deps are for debian source packages
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07:13<Arafangion>jm_: Yes, that's right.
07:13<Arafangion>jm_: gnucash is available in debian, just not quite up-to-date.
07:14<jm_>Arafangion: latest release is 2.4.10 which is in debian too
07:14<jm_>why build it from source?
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07:14<Arafangion>jm_: Excellent point, I should backport it.
07:14<lorenzo>iini
07:14<jm_>Arafangion: 2.4.10 is on backports already
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07:14<Arafangion>Even better!
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07:14<lorenzo>Hi
07:15<lorenzo>there
07:15<lorenzo>how are you
07:15<lorenzo>?
07:15<abrotman>?
07:16<lorenzo>?
07:16<abrotman>this is productive :)
07:16<lorenzo>xD
07:17<Arafangion>lorenzo: Hi!
07:17<lorenzo>hi
07:17<lorenzo>:)
07:17<Arafangion>abrotman: You're right, it is productive. :)
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08:20<junio4>good morning
08:21<junio4>good morning
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08:30<junio4>oi
08:30<junio4>bom dia
08:31<jm_>!br
08:31<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:31<junio4>I need help!
08:31<jm_>!ask
08:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:33<junio4>ok
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08:44<junio4>hi
08:44<junio4> "I have a problem with:
08:44<junio4>W: Ignoring file 'gcl' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension
08:44<junio4>W: Ignoring file 'google-chrome.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
08:44<junio4>W: Ignoring file 'google-earth.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
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08:44<abrotman>....
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08:58<Dededede4>salut
08:58<Dededede4>je viens de brancher un machin
08:59<Dededede4>comment je sais où il est dans /dev ?
08:59<abrotman>!fr
08:59<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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08:59<Dededede4>rha
08:59<Dededede4>>_<
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09:01<Dededede4>il faut créer #debian-en // pour ne pas tromper les gens. (ouaiiis, je fmg)
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09:14<kurumin>oi
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09:16<j_v>I have written a patch for a bug I submitted. The maintainer responded in May that he had finished the semester and would be looking into it. That was in May. Should I consider submitting an NMU?
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09:17<j_v>He hasn't responded since May.
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09:22<demonkeeper>j_v: which bug?
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09:23<j_v>demonkeeper: #665668
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09:27<demonkeeper>j_v: Well, you still need someone to sponsore you NMU and it is likely too late for Wheezy.
09:29<j_v>demonkeeper: perhaps I'll wait until Wheezy is released and if maintainer is still unresponsive or busy I can look into it then. Thanks for your input.
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09:42<Sevet>j_v: have tried contacting him since may? it's possible he forgot about the initial contact, or that he is already working on the patch
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09:46<j_v>Sevet: I emailed him last week, but no answer as of yet. He may be busy.
09:46<Sevet>or away on holiday :)
09:46<j_v>Sevet: exactly.
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09:49<_Aaron>I have a quick question. I downloaded the Wheezy amd64 netinstall ISO image. I was looking around the folders and files contained in the ISO image and I noticed that some of the folders was named ``KDE" and some other desktop enviroments. When I install it on a computer, and I choose to install the desktop enviroment, will it defualt to Gnome (I wish to have Gnome) and not KDE?
09:50<j_v>Sevet: I just happen to have a little spare time just now (rare for me this time of year) and wondered if I should try to NMU... I have other things that need attention, so I will wait til my next spare block of time (could be months from now) to check in on progress.
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09:54<Sevet>Aaron: Gnome is the default, you can pick KDE though as an alternative using the 'Advanced options' on the boot screen
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09:56<_Aaron>Okay, thanks. I was wondering because someone I spoke with said that it installed KDE by defualt.
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09:56<Sevet>i installed wheezy cd-1 last night and am on gnome :)
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09:57<_Aaron>I'm planning on installing Wheezy on an extra computer I have for a home server type setup. I just wanted to get that settled before hand. Once again, thanks!
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10:09<ful>ciao
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10:31<loli>olaa
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10:41<Dededede4>haha
10:41<Dededede4>gnokii sarcasme
10:41<Dededede4>« Impossible d'ouvrir le péripherique GNBUS: Succès »
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10:44<EmleyMoor>When I am running cups to serve a printer, what form does the IPP address take to access it remotely from, say, a Windows box?
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10:46<ompaul>EmleyMoor: I did it once a long time ago - really painful, nowadays I just point the windows box directly at the printer - but if I understand your question 100% the answer you want is to present cups via samba - however not done that
10:47<ompaul>EmleyMoor: however I found a way of converting the windows boxes into debian boxs and suddenly cups made more sense :-)
10:47<EmleyMoor>ompaul: You can't really point the box directly at a parallel printer on another system, can you? samba should not be necessary, Windows can use IPP...
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10:48<ompaul>EmleyMoor: for dot matrix I use little netgear printservers
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10:48<EmleyMoor>It's a laser, but parallel
10:48<ompaul>that gives them http://
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10:52<ompaul>http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1093/~/netgear-print-server-compatibility-list works with laser too
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10:52<ompaul>EmleyMoor: ^^
10:52<ayaka>http://paste.debian.net/177693/
10:54<ompaul>ayaka: perhaps this is clueful http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-software/200112/msg00373.html
10:55<ayaka>ompaul, but this is the config of slapd
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10:57<ompaul>ayaka: so it isn't :-(
10:57<EmleyMoor>Ah - found a switch I hadn't put on, to enable IPP
10:57<ayaka>ompaul, I am not sure, I am not familar with slapd.d config way
10:58<ompaul>EmleyMoor: cool
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10:58<ompaul>ayaka: I am not an expert in it either - I took your error message and used it
10:59<rgms>Hi. Which dynamic dns services do people prefer? I'm currently using noip2 but it no longer is in the repos, or not for my architecture at least.
10:59<ayaka>ompaul, so the way in the email can solve the problem?
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11:00<ompaul>ayaka: it points to a way
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11:00<ayaka>ompaul, I will try thank you
11:00<ompaul>ayaka: it may not be your way, but it is for some situation
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11:02<ayaka>ompaul, at least I did't know any point to solve it
11:02<ompaul>ayaka: ;-)
11:02<ompaul>rgms: this isn't really a place to poll for services
11:03<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... no good
11:03<rgms>I'm really interested in the packages, since I can't get one for no-ip
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11:05<EmleyMoor>What's a good printer driver to select for generating PostScript on Win7?
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11:20<vokevybez>how does one install the real Firefox in Debian Squeeze (NOT IceWeasel)?
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11:20<sakal>download, unpack and use?
11:22<themill>or just get over the difference in logo and use iceweasel
11:22<EmleyMoor>vokevybez: What's wrong with iceweasel?
11:22<perlwizard>iceweasel needs a prettier logo.
11:23<perlwizard>icedove logo is awesome though
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11:23<themill>perlwizard: make it so
11:24<vokevybez>sakal yes but it automatically launched iceweasel instead
11:25<EmleyMoor>vokevybez: What's wrong with iceweasel?
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11:26<vokevybez>EmleyMoor the version I have is outdated. v3.5.16 to be precise
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11:27<EmleyMoor>vokevybez: OK - see mozilla.debian.net for newer versions
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11:28<EmleyMoor>(I have 13.0.1 via that method)
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11:31<vokevybez>will do
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11:35<vokevybez>EmleyMoor thanks for the information Its worked
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11:49<richardk>heya folks
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11:49<AgentC>Hi.
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11:49<richardk>looking at http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G/ and wondering what the status of the Huawei E173 is
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11:49<richardk>having some trouble getting it to work with the 2.6.35 kernel
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11:50<AgentC>Short question, i am going to reinstall all my system out of too many malconfigurations. going to use testing-netinstall.iso. problem is, that my cd burner is not working out of current malconfigurations. how to make the netinstall.iso booting from an USB stick ? have 4GB stick avail.
11:51<richardk>AgentC, just cat it
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11:51<richardk>AgentC, cat netinstall.iso > /dev/sdX
11:51<richardk>or something
11:51<richardk>where X is your device ofc
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11:52<AgentC>richardk: so, no partition, directly to the offset 0 of the usb device ?
11:52<richardk>AgentC, exactly, to the device, no partition
11:52<richardk>e.g. cat netinstall.iso > /dev/sda
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11:53<AgentC>richardk: ok, thank you. i try this !
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11:53<AgentC>richardk: can i use dd instead?
11:53<richardk>AgentC, just off the top of my head, but i'm pretty sure that's what i do whenever i install debian
11:53<richardk>AgentC, probably yes
11:54<AgentC>thank you much
11:54<richardk>np, hope it works for you
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12:06<wide>i used gparted to partition an ssd drive prior to installation of testing. it made the sector size 512 kb, and i found no way to change this size to 1mb, either before or after applying changes is it possible to change sector size with gparted? should i use something else? thanks.
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12:08<richardk>wide, fdisk?
12:08<richardk> -b sectorsize
12:08<richardk> Specify the sector size of the disk. Valid values are 512, 1024, 2048 or 4096. (Recent kernels know the sector size. Use this only
12:08<richardk> on old kernels or to override the kernel's ideas.) Since util-linux-2.17, fdisk differentiates between logical and physical sector
12:08<richardk> size. This option changes both sector sizes to sectorsize.
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12:10<wide>can i use fdisk to change sector size after the partition sizes have been allocated/formatted with gparted, or do i have to partition all over again?
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12:11<richardk>i doubt you can change the sector size without losing the data
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12:14<wide>richardk, there's no data, it's going to be a fresh install, and i stopped right after the partitioning was applied. i just was hoping to be able to save the partitioning already completed because i'm rusty at the command line and want to just change sector size, not the partitioning itself if possible, otherwise i'll bite the bullet
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12:17<richardk>oh, hmm
12:17<richardk>i guess just try it and see what happens then
12:18<wide>richardk, thanks!
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12:33<wide>well, looks like fdisk is out, it "The util fdisk doesn't support GPT", so other options for debian install and option of sector size of 1mb instead of 512kb sectors?
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12:36<bluewater>wide: gdisk
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12:38<wide>Blacker47, i'll look at it now, thanks
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12:41<wide>Blacker47, holy smokes, just took a look at gdisk's man page. i've got some reading to do. see you later...
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12:55<Blacker47>[18:38:06] <wide> Blacker47, i'll look at it now, thanks <-- it was not me
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14:09<user01>is anyone using the chrome backport for stable and having a weird issue where it keeps downloading frame frame frame frame in google?
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14:10<gnugr>user01:try "apt-cache policy chromium"
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14:11<user01>gnugr, do you want me to post the result?
14:11<gnugr>can you see it?
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14:12<user01>gnugr, Installed: (none) Candidate: 0.9.14.1-2 Version table: 0.9.14.1-2 0
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14:12<gnugr>,v chromium
14:12<judd>Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 18.0.1025.151~r130497-1; sid: 20.0.1132.43~r143823-1
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14:12<gnugr>user01: ^^^^^
14:13<retrospectacus>you want "chromium-browser" - chromium is a game in stable
14:13<user01>gnugr, i have chrome i think
14:14<user01>google chrome Version 20.0.1132.47
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14:14<retrospectacus>chrome isn't in debian
14:14<user01>retrospectacus, i added the google repository for it
14:14<user01>dl.google. something
14:14<pparadis>that's not supported by debian.
14:15<retrospectacus>that's fine but we can't support 3rd party software like that
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14:18<gnugr>user01:are you with squeeze/gnome?
14:19<sney_>gnugr: if you want to help user01 with unsupported software, please feel free to do it in a pm or another channel
14:20<user01>gnugr, deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable main non-free is the repo i have
14:21<user01>gnugr, what channel do you want me to go to? :)
14:21<gnugr>user01:pm me
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14:43<prahal2>hi . does gnome have a www offline proxy that works with dynamic web pages (polipo does not :(
14:44<prahal2>and wwwoffle is not in debian
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14:46<pparadis>prahal2: yes it is --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/wwwoffle
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14:49<prahal2>no i386 nor amd64 ?!?
14:49<prahal2>on sid
14:50<pparadis>if you're running sid, you're on your own. you might want to try #debian-next for further tips on that, though.
14:50<user01>what does a wheezy freeze really mean if there is a liberal policy for package maintainers to keep adding?
14:50<prahal2>yes I am on my own ... but the point of sid is to detect bugs before the release
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14:51<perlwizard>prahal2 what exactly is "offline proxy that works with dynamic pages" ?
14:51<perlwizard>what exactly does that do?
14:51<retrospectacus>!wwwoffle
14:51<dpkg>WWWOFFLE (World Wide Web OFFline Explorer) is a caching proxy server with special features for use with dial-up internet links. Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #649286. http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle
14:51<prahal2>that help store content for offline use
14:51<prahal2>we do not use a web archive format on linux (openzim might become one but the process to build a zim file is pretty hardcore currently
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14:52<prahal2>but missing all content from dynamically generated web pages and only keeping the picture and javascript is pretty useless
14:52<prahal2>ie no blog, no wiki, no asp nor php pages
14:53<pparadis>prahal2: can you configure squid to do what you want?
14:53<prahal2>so I wonder if polipo is not buggy
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14:53<perlwizard>that sounds so incredibly backwards
14:54<perlwizard>o wel
14:54<perlwizard>I guess you have your reasons :/
14:54<prahal2>pparadis: I have squid on a server on my local network ... it cannot detect offline use and is way too big and complex for the use (ie stations)
14:54<prahal2>a laptop <- incredibely backward ?
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14:55<prahal2>currently only servers stay connected all the time (I wonder what you mean by backward ... offline use is on of the biggest target of new web technologies
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14:56<prahal2>but a local offline proxy is the best option for all uses
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14:56<prahal2>on a laptop, tablet or mobile
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14:56<DTE>hi there
14:56<DTE>I have a problem trying to use a crypted home partition
14:57<pparadis>prahal2: there's also things like HTML5 offline storage that are designed to do what you're talking about in a much better way.
14:57<DTE>it's not mounted automatically at te boot, but everything should be fine in the initramfs
14:57<DTE>anyone has any idea?
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14:58<prahal2>thus me wondering as polipo is labelled a to be a local offline cache if it is not broken (as it does not keep all dynamic pages which are like 99% of the content of interest on the web -- those only interested in pictures or movies have like other use of the web than finding informations
14:58<prahal2>pparadis: not at all
14:58<pparadis>DTE: if a volume is encrypted, it will require you to enter a passphrase before it can be mounted.
14:59<pparadis>prahal2: you can disagree if you like. this really isn't the place for this discussion anyhow.
14:59<prahal2>html5 offline storage is for the web developper to store data on the station (ie a super cookie)
14:59<pparadis>prahal2: no, that's not what i'm talking about.
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15:00<prahal2>"local offline storage html5" is above decription
15:00<DTE>pparadis: I know but the problem is that I never get to the password...simply the system tries to mount it but the dev is not there (obviously)
15:00<prahal2>there is nothing in html5 that help with offline use of php webpages
15:00<prahal2>offline reading
15:00<pparadis>prahal2: you don't seem to be familiar with the concept of offline applications. that's okay, but this isn't the place for this discussion. you might want to join #debian-offtopic
15:01<prahal2>pparadis: the issue is that content pages are not applications :/
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15:01<prahal2>even web applications
15:01<pparadis>DTE: that's odd. how did you you set up the encryption on that?
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15:02<prahal2>I could go to offtopic ... though offline storage of web content pages is not offtopic (ie otherwise polipo and wwwoffle would not be part of debian
15:02<DTE>pparadis: by the usual method, created the crypted dev, set a password, opened the dev, created the fs and it works when doing it manually
15:02<prahal2>the fact that the packaging of wwwoffle is buggy and that polipo fails to offline php/asp web pages is a debian issue
15:02<DTE>pparadis: I checked the modules in the iniramfs and everything is there
15:03<pparadis>prahal2: so talk to the package maintainers and upstream developers about it.
15:03<prahal2>that there is no alternatives is also an issue
15:03<pparadis>they're probably not in this channel.
15:03<prahal2>my asking was about alternatives to polipo and/or if polipo is buggy
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15:04<pparadis>in any event, when i suggested squid earlier for caching, i meant that in combination perhaps with DNS proxying to point local devices to the correct server. this obviously would have issues with things like SSL, but maybe can be worked into your plans.
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15:04<prahal2>thanks for the wwwoffle finding that it is indeed in but mostly for non official ports ... got to ask the maintainer
15:04<pparadis>prahal2: have you actually filed bug reports for polipo?
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15:05<prahal2>ssl is not of use for offline caching of content (ie few content providers uses ssl... though wwwoffle and polipo supports it - also ftp
15:05<prahal2>pparadis: I asked if it was a bug (thus I did not know that it was when I asked
15:06<prahal2>now that I know I will
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15:06<pparadis>content providers are increasingly using SSL. there are some solutions that do proxy SSL connections, but they require control over cert stores on local devices to deal with cert trust.
15:06<aleswy>Hi guys!
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15:06<aleswy>Is possible downgrade php 5.3 to 5.2 in squeeze?
15:07<prahal2>also I did not know that wwwoffle which was my first choice was indeed in the archive (as apt-cache search only returned me polipo) thus I will build the deb package locally and look after why it is not available for my arch
15:07<pparadis>sure
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15:08<pparadis>aleswy: this was the first hit i got in google --> http://atom-hosting.com/blog/?p=52
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15:08<sney_>if it ftbfs, that might be your answer
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15:08<prahal2>pparadis: ssl for documentation ... well I have not encountered the case yet but why not
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15:08<pparadis>prahal2: i, along with a bunch of people i know, am a fan of doing ssl everywhere.
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15:10<prahal2>why not :/ and smartcard to be access wikipedia :/
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15:11<perlwizard>what
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15:13<prahal2>to be able to assess the identity of a server one need a trust ... and trust is nothing if not from end to end
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15:44<prahal2>just a note ... I found out that polipo is not for offline use (it is deemed a replacement for wwwoffle but only oes for privacy uses)
15:44<prahal2>and wwwoffle is removed from debian (testing and sid) as the packaging is broken beyond repair (it needs a new packaging and a maintainer)
15:45<sney_>hopefully it gets better treatment than cinnamon did
15:47<Celelibi>hi
15:47<Celelibi>Can I install a 32 bits version of a lib beside a 64 bit version?
15:48<sney_>Celelibi: multiarch support is only in testing and sid
15:48<sney_>!multiarch
15:48<dpkg>Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. Multiarch support is a release goal for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110726b http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch
15:48<Celelibi>I'm using testing, so that's nice.
15:48<sney_>the wiki link says how to set it up
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16:02<Celelibi>Can't I install both i386 and amd64 versions of the same lib/package?
16:03<dondelelcaro>Celelibi: for libraries which implement multiarch, yes. Otherwise, no
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16:04<Celelibi>how do I know if it implements multiarch?
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16:04<Celelibi>Actually what I want is libglib2.0-dev
16:05<dondelelcaro>Celelibi: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
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16:05<demonkeeper>Multiarch does not make too much sense for _dev_ packages.
16:06<demonkeeper>They are built from the same source.
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16:11<Celelibi>demonkeeper: actually libglib2.0-dev contains some .so files.
16:11<Celelibi>(this sounds strange to me too)
16:11<demonkeeper>It doesn't.
16:11<demonkeeper>It contains .so _symlinks:_
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16:12<Celelibi>oh, that's right.
16:12<themill>and those .so symlinks are to arch-dependent paths
16:12<themill>(and in arch-dependent paths)
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16:15<flightplan>Celelibi: you want to lookup with dpkg -L libglib2.0-dev | xargs file, not just dpkg -L
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16:16<Celelibi>actually I found the package via dpkg -S from the error message of the binary I want to run.
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16:18<flightplan>I mean when you list package "files"
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16:35<mejsa>hey guys,how do i test if i have edited fstab corectly without restarting pc? just added new hdd,:-)
16:35<retrospectacus>mount -a
16:35<retrospectacus>will try to mount all drives in fstab
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16:36<mejsa>nothing,so it should be all right...:)
16:36<retrospectacus>should be mounted then, good to go! no need to reboot anyway
16:36<mejsa>:-)
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16:37<mejsa>you never know when power goes off..:D
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16:48<thys>hi
16:48<eighsixsevenfive>I just thought I'd hop on and brag that I'm accessing this through my new Raspberry Pi using the Debian Weezey beta
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16:49<thys>I keep losing my connection though SSH on my ubuntu server. It works fine while I use it then it freezes and I have to eject it and log in again. How do I find the keep-alive settings?
16:49<retrospectacus>eighsixsevenfive: ijelly
16:50<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc thys
16:50<dpkg>thys: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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16:51<eighsixsevenfive>retrospectacus: it runs quite nicely in cli, but the GUI is understandably laggy. I prefer the cli anyway, so I'm not complaining
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16:55<olspookishmagus>hello... which is the easiest way to install a font in Debian? CLI/GUI doesn't matter
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16:58<arand>olspookishmagus: If it's packaged "sudo apt-get install fonts-name", if not, Drop it in ~/.fonts/ ?
17:00<retrospectacus>!fonts
17:00<dpkg>Fonts available as Debian packages are automatically configured for use via <defoma>. To add user-supplied fonts to a Debian system, ask me about <install font> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts . For general font information, see http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ . See also <mscorefonts>, <ttf>.
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17:02<nightsh>dpkg: defoma is going down, use fc-* instead
17:02<dpkg>...but defoma is already something else...
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17:03<olspookishmagus>arand: allrightey then, nothing new
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17:05<saulo>hello all! When I use "openssl s_client -connect 192.168.254.253:2157 -starttls ftp" I receive the error "25159:error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol:s23_clnt.c:607:". I'm trying connect in a ProFTPd installation with SSL, but do not works. somebody can help me?
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17:06<FaTony>I just installed fresh Debian on VirtualBox and changed panels to look more like Windows, I've removed top panel and now when I minimize window it simply vanishes but I can restore it using alt+tab. Any help?
17:07<retrospectacus>FaTony: add the "window list" applet to your bottom panel
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17:09<FaTony>Worked, thanks, but now buttons start at the center of the screen, can I drag to the left, I can't seem to.
17:09<saulo>My config : http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c5947064/
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17:09<dream>Hello to all
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17:13<FaTony>Wait, it looks like I have 2 "window list" applets on bottom panel, 1 of them was on the left and was invisible
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17:19<FaTony>ok, found where the correct "move" is
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17:27<saulo>I'm crazy with this Proftpd + SSL. SOmebody can direct me to some place where I can get help with them?
17:28<retrospectacus>friends don't let friends use FTP
17:28<sney_>saulo: you could try #proftpd on irc.freenode.net. But depending on your needs, I would recommend throwing it out and using openssh sftp instead.
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17:32<victor>hola
17:32<sney_>adios
17:33<saulo>sney_: Thanks. The proftpd installation and LDAP authentication are working, change to another FTP server could be a problem for now... anyway, thanks for suggestion. I reaaly don't know what is worst, recreate all or do this work at proftpd :_(
17:34<sney_>the thing about sftp is it uses the existing system authentication and it's part of ssh.
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17:34<sney_>so it's secure, it's probably already installed, and you don't have to do anything beyond setting up your user accounts
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17:35<saulo>sney_: how could I write ldap rules to control user access at ldap at sftp?
17:37<saulo>sney_: For now I have an entry (FTPStatus) at LDAP user account. Then I check if is true and allow or block the user access at proftpd.
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18:07<sney_>saulo: sftp accounts are system accounts.
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18:23<saulo>sney_: Worked! The mod_ssl configuration only works for the default FTP server. To put them to work at VirtualHosts its needed copy all config at each VH or in the <Global> section. When I added to the <Global> section, the VirtualHosts now understood the SSL and the server works! :D
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18:23<saulo>sney_: How the main server is disabled (Port 0), I removed the SSL config there
18:24<scientes>saulo, there is no port 0
18:24<pparadis>o_O
18:25<saulo>scientes: At ProFTPD config, setting Port 0 effectively turns off that server (http://www.proftpd.org/docs/directives/linked/config_ref_Port.html) :D
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18:25<saulo>scientes: ProFTPD has a main server and allow VirtualHosts, I disabled the main because I'm using only the VHs :)
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18:26<tux-irc>Can anyone reccomend a good ALSA systray applet or dockapp for Squeeze with minimal dependencies?
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18:27<sney_>saulo: glad you got it working, apologies for the noise
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18:27<sney_>but for your next deployment, maybe consider something with fewer cooks
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18:27<scientes>is it just me or does java leap memory bad
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18:30<saulo>sney_: Thanks :D Anyway I'm thinking try the sftp soon, I never tested it :D
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18:54<rocky>hello Debian
18:55<rocky>I'm planning to dual boot Ubuntu and Debian
18:55<rocky>Ubuntu is already installed
18:55<rocky>I got impressed with Debian
18:55<rocky>so want to give it try
18:55<rocky>i do have separate129GB partition
18:55<rocky>this is the place i can install debian
18:56<rocky>do bootloader supports both debian and ubuntu?
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18:56<pparadis>rocky: sure, you can run both.
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18:56<rocky>I want to run both, but a time only 1 will boot
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18:57<rocky>it is a similar sceanrio where people have installed both windows and linux
18:57<pparadis>rocky: correct. if you'd like to give debian a try while your ubuntu installation is still running, you might consider installing virtualbox under ubuntu and then installing debian in a VM. that's a good way to experiment with things.
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18:58<rocky>pparadis: yes this is what i am doing now
18:58<rocky>i hope will be done in nexy 1/2 hr
18:58<rocky>i hope will be done in next 1/2 hr
18:58<pparadis>rocky: sure, and when you're ready to give it a try on bare hardware, you can install debian alongside other operating systems.
18:58<rocky>once done. i will proceed with debian
18:58<rocky>i dont want to immeditaley erase ubuntu
18:59<pparadis>indeed, you don't have to.
18:59<rocky>it will be slow transistion
18:59<pparadis>sure
18:59<rocky>once m comfortable in debian all programs are workig
18:59<rocky>once m comfortable in debian all programs are workig
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18:59<rocky>i may erase Ubunu
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19:01<rocky>can we install debian from ubuntu
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19:02<pparadis>from within ubuntu? not in the conventional or recommended way.
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19:02<rocky>i mean i will start the setup
19:02<rocky>ok
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19:02<pparadis>rocky: you'll need to install it from bootable media as you would with any other OS.
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19:03<rocky>i have downloaded only 1st iso
19:03<rocky>do i have to write iso in usb
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19:04<pparadis>rocky: you can use a usb drive or a cd-rom
19:05<rocky>how do i prepare usb
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19:05<juan>hello
19:05<pparadis>!tell rocky about usb install
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19:07<rocky>website for debian
19:07<rocky>is not user friendly as compared to buntu
19:07<rocky>is not user friendly as compared to ubuntu
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19:08<pparadis>rocky: all the information you need is there, and there is more information on the debian wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/
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19:08<pparadis>rocky: also see this --> http://debian-handbook.info/
19:08<rocky>thank you pparadis
19:09<diederik>debian handbook is rather impressive; haven't finished it, but so far pretty impressed :)
19:09<pparadis>it is a nice piece of work.
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19:09<rocky>do we know if there is large ubuntu users or debian pparadis
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19:10<pparadis>rocky: ubuntu itself is based on debian, as are many, many other distributions.
19:10<rocky>understood
19:11<pparadis>i don't spend time tracking distro usage stats.
19:11<rocky>pparadis, i was from the prespective no. of users using each OS
19:11<rocky>lets make it easy
19:11<rocky>less or more than ubuntu
19:11<pparadis>depends if you're talking about server or desktop use. in any event, distrowatch and related sites are probably better resources for those stats.
19:12<rocky>cool
19:12<rocky>BTW pparadis what is your profession
19:14<rocky>myself programmer
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19:14<pparadis>rocky: i'm a server admin and programmer mostly. i do managed linux hosting and some application development, mostly perl.
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19:14<rocky>i do java
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19:15<tux-irc>Debootstrap can be used to install debian using an internet connection.
19:15<rocky>pparadis, so perl is programming expertise
19:15<rocky>tux-irc, inside any OS?
19:16<pparadis>tux-irc: i was trying not to bring that up, ala the earlier point about "not recommmended" in this case ;)
19:16<tux-irc>In linux, sure.
19:16<rocky>tux-irc, since i will be dual booting, i hope it won't mess up ubuntu grub boot
19:16<pparadis>i mean feel free to give it a shot, it's just truly not something i would ever recommend for a beginner. i'd really recommend sticking to the official install media.
19:17<rocky>pparadis, got you
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19:18<tux-irc>Sure
19:18<rocky>pparadis, when installing from install media- does it end up in providing dual boot,
19:19<pparadis>yes, it should recognize other operating systems and act accordingly.
19:19<rocky>pparadis, cool
19:20<rocky>pparadis: coming back to your perl programming
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19:20<rocky>pparadis, do you feel like its tough to switch to other programming, same way i feel for going from java to other language
19:20<pparadis>rocky: that stuff is really better discussed in some place like #debian-offtopic :)
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19:22<rocky>thanks for letting know pparadis
19:22<rocky>unfortunately i'm new xhcat user
19:22<pparadis>sure thing, it's a nice channel to hang out in.
19:22<pparadis>rocky: /join #debian-offtopic
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20:12<user01>facebook doesnt work for me in chromium
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20:13<user01>6.0.472.63
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20:19<ijurisic> /msg dpkg freeze | NO FLOOD
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20:22<OdyX>user01: that's a feature, not a bug.
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20:25<user01>OdyX, i didnt say it was a bug
20:25<OdyX>:-p
20:26<user01>well i had 20 people ask me why on earth i had google chrome installed and not chromium and i guess that was one reason
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20:26<user01>my gf probably nagged me about that not working when i installed
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20:27<elcamaleon>KLK
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20:28<elcamaleon>KLK
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20:31<elcamaleon>KLK
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21:42<rocky>hi folks
21:42<rocky>finally i installed debian in vm
21:42<rocky>i installed using only 1st iso
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21:43<rocky>now when i try to install compiz in software
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21:43<rocky>or even when installing chrome
21:43<rocky>i get an error message saying
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21:43<pparadis>!enter
21:43<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
21:44<pparadis>rocky: also, please use http://paste.debian.net for pasting error output and log messages.
21:45<rocky>Ok does it provides picture upload?
21:45<pparadis>rocky: please pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
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21:50<rocky>pparadis: thanks for letting me know, here is http://paste.debian.net/177774/
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21:53<rocky>basically i will try all the software i use in ubuntu, try to install in vm debian, the first i tried was chrome and it give me the error message as sent in the link
21:53<pparadis>rocky: please update your /etc/apt/sources.list to look like this --> http://paste.debian.net/177775/
21:53<pparadis>rocky: then run "apt-get update"
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21:54<pparadis>rocky: the short answer here is that the only source you had for the "main" software repository was your CD-ROM. more info here --> http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
21:55<rocky>pparadis, do you meant to replace its contents with the one you sent or append?
21:56<pparadis>replace
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21:56<pparadis>rocky: in the future, you may also wish to use the netinstall ISO, which will only download things you actually need for an install.
21:56-!-canaima is now known as soris
21:57<pparadis>rocky: it will also give you a usable sources.list from the start.
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22:00<craigevil>btw Google Chrome is not in the debian repos, either install Chromium or download Chrome from Google, when it installs it will add a repo so it stays updated
22:00<pparadis>yarly, package = chromium-browser on squeeze
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22:11<rocky>pparadis, what is netinstal l ISO
22:12<pparadis>!tell rocky about netinstall
22:12<rocky>what is !tell? i saw your earlier post also
22:13<pparadis>rocky: do this: /query dpkg
22:13<pparadis>then you can talk to it.
22:14<pparadis>you should have received a PM from dpkg answering your question.
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22:19<scientes>chromium is version 20 in wheezy/unstable
22:19<scientes>and i'm working on arm support
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22:21<pparadis>:D
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22:25<scientes>i just successfully built it
22:25<scientes>now onto the memory alignment issues
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22:37<rocky>pparadis, alright my chrome stands installed thanks
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22:38<rocky>unbelievable i can feel debian stability even in VM
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22:38<rocky>sometimes my ubuntu do hang , i ve power off and on
22:39<rocky>i hope this never happens in Debian
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22:40<scientes>rocky, I think you are succumbing the magical thinking
22:40<scientes>*to
22:40<scientes>Debian is good, but its not magically eons ahead in core stability
22:40<scientes>than Ubuntu that is
22:40<scientes>(maybe Fedora :P)
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22:42<rocky>hmm
22:42<rocky>although i do see Debian looks same as Ubuntu
22:43<rocky>but Ubuntu is more near to Windows
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22:43<scientes>well actually, unity can cause some stability issues
22:43<rocky>yeah so m using GNOME
22:43<scientes>so in that way, they are more differn't than they have been
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22:54<rocky>in the new gnome i installed, i see it has version 2.30.2, build date 11/12/2012, is this latest
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22:55<pparadis>rocky: do this: /query dpkg releases
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23:04<rocky>thanks
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23:06<rocky>pparadis, i came to know stable version is 6.0 Squeeze
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23:08<rocky>lsb_release -a is the command to check current running debian version
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23:11<pparadis>rocky: squeeze uses gnome 2. wheezy will use gnome 3, but that's the testing version right now.
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23:13<rocky>Ok
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23:14<scientes>but its coming :)
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23:44<genoskill>Hi how can i massively remove the annoying lyrics3v2 tags
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23:47<apaulson>genoskill - try this http://forums.mp3tag.de/lofiversion/index.php/t8562.html
23:48<apaulson>kind of awkward but it removes them
23:48<apaulson>what tag editor are you using?
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23:53<john>hello
23:56<rocky>hello john
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