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---Logopened Fri Jul 06 00:00:26 2012
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00:03<pparadis>RandomGuy99: this might be helpful --> http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1825
00:03<RandomGuy99>thx for responding. im using the latest debian 6.0.4. ive tried the instructions described in the second post here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1723051
00:04<RandomGuy99>sorry i mean debian 6.0.5
00:04<pparadis>RandomGuy99: it seems somebody solved the problem with running a newer kernel from backports. if you've already been through the alsa checklist you were sent a few minutes ago, and it still isn't working, maybe it's worth a shot to install a backported kernel.
00:05<RandomGuy99>i saw that thread. i would rather run the stable kernel but i suppose if i must run another to get sound to work then i will switch
00:05<pparadis>that's a judgement call you'll have to make, but at least it would give you another data point for debugging purposes.
00:06<pparadis>RandomGuy99: are you running amd64?
00:06<RandomGuy99>yes
00:06<pparadis>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-2.6-amd64
00:06<pparadis>and --> http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/
00:06<pparadis>if it helps, that's a good thing, and like i said it will give you another point of comparison.
00:07<RandomGuy99>ok, i will try it
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00:15<RandomGuy99>Unable to locate package xserver-xorg-intel
00:16<sney>xserver-xorg-video-intel
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00:20<RandomGuy99>ok, thx a lot! :) rebooting. hope it works
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00:59<polix>Hello, where I can get the latest Beta version of skype? The newest have only problems.
01:00<pparadis>polix: what version of debian are you running?
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01:00<polix>pparadis: I am using aptosid (debian sid)
01:01<pparadis>polix: the short answer is "if it isn't in the repos, you need to consult the upstream source."
01:01<pparadis>and we can't support anything that isn't installed from the repos.
01:01<pparadis>repos meaning the debian repos.
01:01<polix>ok, I will research myself by google :)
01:02<polix>pparadis: thx :=)
01:02<pparadis>polix: also:
01:02<pparadis>!based on debian
01:02<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
01:02<pparadis>polix: aptosid is not debian.
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01:02<polix>pparadis: aptosid is based on debian unstable :=)
01:02<pparadis>it doesn't matter. it isn't debian.
01:03<pparadis>we cannot support distros based on debian here.
01:03<polix>pparadis: [07:03] <pparadis> we cannot support distros based on debian here.
01:03<pparadis>yes, that's correct.
01:04<polix>pparadis: you dont support debian, but this channel is "debian"
01:04<pparadis>please read the above message from dpkg again.
01:04<pparadis>we support debian. aptosid is not debian.
01:04<nevyn>!aptosid
01:04<dpkg>aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net.
01:05<pparadis>nevyn: you beat me to that by maybe 1 second ;)
01:05<polix>pparadis: ok, I was here not to discuss what is right debian, but thank you for your help :)
01:05<pparadis>sure thing
01:05<polix>pparadis: have a nice day ;)
01:05<pparadis>you too!
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01:09<Flynn>Hello. I am running debian 6.5 on a dell inspiron 1721. Can I combine my places and system menus with my apps. menu?
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01:40<Flynn>Hello. I am running debian 6.5 on a dell inspiron 1721. Can I combine my places and system menus with my apps. menu?
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02:43<Flynn> menu that contains system preferences instead of application launchers in Debian 6?
02:44<Flynn>*How can I make a
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02:47<Flynn> Are system settings files I can link to?
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03:33<rham>I am building a thin client machine
03:34<rham>it has to be robust and survive being unplugged at random
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03:35<nevyn>ok.
03:35<rham>so, I want to build a system with aufs that has the root filesystem mounted as a read-only branch and another read-write branch on a filesystem that's created at boot
03:35<rham>I want to automate the building of the system
03:36<rham>that means I want to automate the construction of the root filesystem
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03:37<rham>which means I want to have some process that takes a Debian .iso, a preseed file and possibly other bits, and produces a directory containing an *installed* root filesystem, ready to be copied to a thin client and booted
03:38<pparadis>surely you don't want to do an iso-based install every time it's booted.
03:38<rham>no no
03:39<pparadis>ah, sorry, i misread what you said there.
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03:39<rham>I want to automate the creation of the root filesystem, offline
03:39<rham>so that I can easily fiddle with it and modify it later
03:39<rham>and generally because I think that's the best way to do it
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03:39<pparadis>http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap ?
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03:40<rham>ah ha! :-)
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03:40<rham>I knew Debian would already have it sorted :-)
03:40<rham>pparadis: thank you :-)
03:40<pparadis>no problem :)
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03:41<Korigan>seems interesting!
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03:46<Guest2297>hello
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03:48<milos>hello
03:48<Guest2297>how are u?
03:48<milos>good tx
03:49<milos>i;m issuing this problem almost every day
03:49<milos>here is mine kern log sites/all/themes/thepetropro/css/basic.css
03:49<Guest2297>oh really LOL
03:49<milos>here is mine kern log http://paste.ubuntu.com/1077727/
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03:50<Guest2297>asl??
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03:50<jm_>milos: are you using ubuntu?
03:50<else_>kuuntu
03:50<else_>*kubuntu
03:51<jm_>!kubuntu
03:51<dpkg>rumour has it, kubuntu is yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
03:51<Guest2297>UBUNTU
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03:54<Guest2297>these chats are booring
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03:56<Guest2297>Anyone here to talk?
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03:57<Korigan>hi Guest2297, it's a debian room, not ubuntu
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03:58<Guest2297>then what?
03:58<Korigan>then do you have a debian problem?
03:59<Korigan>(we try to give some specific answer)
03:59<Guest2297>i just want someone to talk with me
03:59<Guest2297>can u find?
04:00<Korigan>yup, come on irc.hackint.org, #hackbbs-en
04:00<jm_>!offtopic
04:00<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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04:47<DebianLover>where can i find acmkdir?
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05:04<acer>who's on?
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05:17<mursalat>hi
05:18<mursalat>i need help adding my own c headers
05:18<mursalat>i want to compile my source without specifying the location of the header files location
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05:20<jm_>. is always searched in
05:20<jm_>for "foo"
05:20<psicobra>hi allll
05:21<mursalat>but its not in the same directory
05:21<jm_>then it obviously won't find it unless it's told where to look
05:21<mursalat>for now when i compile i have to do this: gcc myCfile.c -lTheLib
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05:22<jm_>that can't possibly help for headers, but off now
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05:23<mursalat>forgive me, but i am new to compiling my own stuff
05:24<mursalat>what about stdio.h
05:24<mursalat>its included without a library because its part of the standard code
05:25<mursalat>i meant without specifying the location
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05:35<acer>how do you join server's
05:36<grove>acer: What do you mean?
05:37<acer> how do you join peaple
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05:37<babilen>mursalat: I recommend ##c on irc.freenode.net for C related questions
05:37<grove>acer: ???
05:37<mursalat>thanks!
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05:41<acer_>>:)
05:42<acer_>am board
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05:45<acer_>ujkilo;'#
05:46<acer_>jjjjjjjiiiiiiiiijjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjooooooooooooojjjjjjjjjjiooooooojjjjjjjjoijjjjiojjjjjoooooojjjooooojjjoooojojojojjjojoikjjjooooojojooooooooooooooojoooooooo#
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05:49<jticket>acer: Hi Bored.
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06:01<swirl>hi
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07:19<Fudge>acer joining people is personal and not somethign everyone may wish to talk about, ;)
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07:20<euro>Hi all
07:22<euro>I have a question about NFS performance. I have 10x faster transfer from A-B than from B-A, is that normal?
07:22<euro>First time using NFS by the way...
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07:34<Korigan>humm, wich kind of transfert?
07:34<Korigan>excuse me
07:34<Korigan>sftp!
07:35<DebianLover>does debian have acmkdir? I can't find it!
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07:37<mjwillz4>How come 12.04 is only detecting one monitor as a "laptop" display? When I hit "detect devices, no monitors are shown.
07:38<grove>!tell mjwillz4 about ubuntu
07:39<Korigan>DebianLover, i searched for it on http://packages.debian.org for each suite and didn't find it
07:39<DebianLover>Korigan: me too
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08:01<lucas2>Hello from Utrecht, The Netherlands
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08:02<lucas2>Question: is it possible to automatically install packages with predetermined configuration options?
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08:02<lucas2>As in: some packages ask questions during install. I would like to automatically feed the answers to the install so that no user interaction is necessary
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08:04<lucas2>My purpose is to create a script that will install a set of packages without user interaction, even if some of the packages require configuration choices.
08:05<grove>lucas2: Yes, look at debconf(7)
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08:06<lucas2>man debconf
08:06<lucas2>oops :)
08:06<lucas2>thanks
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08:43<newb>hello all! My local server is slow and I'm unable to understood why. top utility show me I have 10% of processor use and about 20% of memory use. But sometimes I can see "ApplicationPool" at top command with 9999 of processor use. What is this? And what could be my problem?
08:43<newb>Debian squeeze
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08:46<perlwizard>pastebin ps axvf when that ApplicationPool is running
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08:48<SynrG>newb: a web server?
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08:49<SynrG>running any non-debian software?
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08:50<SynrG>ah, not necessarily non-debian
08:50<SynrG>libapache2-mod-passenger?
08:51<SynrG>that's the only match i can find in an apt-file search, but it matches:
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08:51<SynrG>libapache2-mod-passenger: /usr/lib/phusion_passenger/ApplicationPoolServerExecutable
08:51<newb>perlwizard, SynrG: the paste: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/797a46ea/ and yes, wunning libapache2-mod-passenger
08:51<newb>*running
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08:52<SynrG>is it using lots of memory?
08:52<SynrG>sort top with "M"
08:53<newb>perlwizard, SynrG: I have 3 chrooted debian installations there: lenny running Apache + PHP 5.2, squeeze running Apache + php 5.3, another squeeze running Apache + ruby + redmine (installed manually), MySQL and PostgreSQL. The main machine runs OpenLDAP
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08:54<newb>perlwizard, SynrG: top shows me "Mem: 7938836k total, 7256880k used, 681956k free, 1466268k buffers" and "Swap: 19534960k total, 384k used, 19534576k free, 3673780k cached"
08:55<perlwizard>seems to me that you're running out of memory
08:55<perlwizard>because of that passenger thingy
08:55<newb>perlwizard, SynrG: mod-passenger is used to allow ruby runs under Apache
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08:56<newb>perlwizard, SynrG: I've already stopped the Apache with ruby/passenger and started again, but I continue with the slow responses
08:57<newb>perlwizard, SynrG: In some time of the day all back to normal :-S
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08:59<newb>perlwizard, SynrG: I'm without memory then?
08:59<perlwizard>is the passenger thingy used only by redmine ?
08:59<newb>perlwizard, SynrG: yes
09:00<perlwizard>if you're installing it manually, might as well stick to their recommended server
09:00<perlwizard>(webrick)
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09:01<Korigan>SynrG, duno if you remembered my problem of yesterday, it was about udev and autorun.sh file that dpkg à deb archive. I finnaly get the answer. I used sh and i had to use bash
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09:02<Korigan>i also had to give my udev rules a greatest number to be sure that she was well execute.
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09:04<newb>perlwizard, SynrG: I have this options at Apache config: PassengerPoolIdleTime 0 RailsFrameworkSpawnerIdleTime 0 RailsFrameworkSpawnerIdleTime 0 PassengerMaxPoolSize 8 and I found this: http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2009/12/08/production-rails-tuning-with-passenger-passengermaxprocesses/ can you help me to understood this?
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09:06<perlwizard>newb is there some reason because of which you have to use mod_passenger and not the server recommended by redmine installation manual ?
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09:09<newb>perlwizard: I have so many Apache VirtualHosts installed and no experience with other servers :( I'm going read the redmine manual, but I'm worried to change a system who is "working"...
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09:11<newb>perlwizard: The worst thing: I've stopped the Apache running redmine now, but still slow.... Mem: 7938836k total, 6972124k used, 966712k free, 1467924k buffers
09:13<perlwizard>newb what does free -m say ( the `-/+ buffers/cache:` line)
09:13<newb>perlwizard: with the apache + redmine stopped: Swap: 19077 0 19076
09:14<perlwizard>thats swap
09:14<perlwizard>asking about the line above
09:14<newb>perlwizard: ooops, sorry! Mem: 7752 6769 982 0 1433 3590
09:15<newb>perlwizard: total used free shared buffers cached
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09:16<perlwizard>not good
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09:21<SynrG>Korigan: ah. glad you got it sorted out
09:22<newb>perlwizard: I've stopped now postgresql, mysql, proftpd and all Apache installations. I have now Mem: 7752 6759 992 0 1437 3814 What could be now?
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09:23<perlwizard>newb pastebin entire free -m on paste.debian.net and not in channel
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09:31<newb>perlwizard: sorry, I lost my connection. Here is the paste: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/909a6003/
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09:33<perlwizard>you have 6 gb of free ram now
09:34<perlwizard>shouldn't be slow.
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09:34<loka>aaaaaaa yesssss
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09:43<barsa>that girl or boy
09:43<newb>perlwizard: let me understood, why I see only 928 at Mem line? isn't this the free memory?
09:44<perlwizard>newb 6242 is free
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09:47<babilen>!tell newb about free mem
09:47<babilen>!tell newb about free memory
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09:51<newb>perlwizard: I've started again all services and I have this paste: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/816d5092/ Still slow :'(
09:52<perlwizard>newb do you know how to use a profiler
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09:52<newb>perlwizard: no... :P can you help me with one?
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09:55<perlwizard>aptitude install sysprof, run sysprof-cli for a while and make some "slow" server requests, then analyze it's log in sysprof (the gui version)
09:55<perlwizard>also, is that a physical server
09:56<perlwizard>or are you inside some sort of virtualized environment ?
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10:00<newb>perlwizard: physical, but the services are separated at 3 chrooted machines, lenny for Apache + PHP 5.2, squeeze for Apache + PHP 5.3, and another squeeze for Apache for Redmine and some VirtualHosts, MySQL, PostgreSQL and ProFTPD. The main machine runs samba and OpenLdap
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10:03<perlwizard>anyway, things you should try: 1) profile and see whats slow 2) use server software specified in redmine manual instead of apache + mod_whatever 3) try adding more ram to server 4) try running less stuff
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10:07<SynrG>there are ruby-based profilers as well, if you need to drill down that far
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10:09<newb>perlwizard, SynrG: It's strange.... I've stopped all services. Was online only OpenLDAP, Clamav-daemon, Samba and mdadm (for raid), and some basic services... this should not let my machine so slow....
10:10<perlwizard>define 'slow'
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10:10<perlwizard>what exactly takes longer time than you would expect it to
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10:12<newb>perlwizard: when I activate some Apache service I wait about 50 seconds to see a PHP page with MySQL. Some time of the day the response is about 3-8 seconds
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10:13<perlwizard>clearly needs profiling.
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10:13<perlwizard>you really, really want to do it.
10:14<newb>perlwizard: I'm running the sysprof utility, the "self" and "Total" columns are memory or number of executions?
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10:26<perlwizard>self is call's own time
10:27<perlwizard>cumulative is it's own time + all of its' descendants time
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10:31<newb>perlwizard: here a paste of the first profile: http://picpaste.com/pics/prof1-4aoA3h9E.1341585069.png
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10:33<perlwizard>try doing it when all the services are off and it is still "slow".
10:34<perlwizard>that picture doesnt show anything unexpected
10:34<perlwizard>ruby is slow, what else is new
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10:47<Chriz0124>HI
10:48<Chriz0124>i need help xD
10:48<Korigan>Ho
10:48<Chriz0124>any can help me?
10:48<Korigan>what is the question?
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10:49<Chriz0124>i cant install ubuntustudio with windows vista! i dot know why
10:49<Korigan>try debian :p
10:50<Chriz0124>So debian is other OS?
10:50<Korigan>for ubuntu question, you have to ask on ubuntu server
10:50<sney>!ubuntuirc
10:50<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
10:50<sney>debian is available from www.debian.org
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10:50<Korigan>yes, ubuntu is based on debian, but it's a bit different. So in this support channel, it's only debian
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10:51<Chriz0124>OK! Ty
10:51<Korigan>Chowzzf, download unetbootin, select debian, and we will help if problem (but you won't have)
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10:51<Korigan>Chriz0124 *
10:52<Korigan>(unetbootin will permit to setup your debian from usb stick)
10:52<Korigan>with a netinstall
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10:58<grove>I have installed mailman on my server, but when I try to start it I get: http://paste.debian.net/177971/ - I'm not an expert on python, but that looks like a missing dependency or a bug? But everything is squeeze - can anyone help me make mailman run?
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11:00<kop>nyov: This might or might not help: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz
11:01<kop>grove: I suspect you need to follow the <readme.debian>, and perhaps other instructions in the same dir.
11:01<kop>!readme.debian
11:01<dpkg>README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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11:07<kop>grove: IIRC mailmain requires a little configuring before it works -- I forget.
11:08<nyov>kop: ?
11:08<nyov>help for what?
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11:09<kop>nyov: Your daemon restart problem.
11:10<nyov>oh, you remembered that :D
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11:14<Guest2282>python is absolutely disgusting
11:14<Guest2282>fyi
11:14<nyov>kop: looks more like runlevel restarts, I don't think it applies here. but thank you for digging
11:14<Guest2282>worse than Java, believe it or not
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11:15<Guest2282>I hope noody is offended
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11:15<Guest2282>At the same time I hope some wish they could be offended, but know their place
11:15<nyov>i don't like it that much, but it's NOT as bad as java
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11:16<Guest2282>nyov: I'm not gonna argue sorry :P
11:16<Guest2282>its like comparing cat shit to dog shit
11:16<nyov>good for you :P
11:16<nyov>and i'm out
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11:17<Guest2282>But don't get me wrong
11:17<Guest2282>I have the utmost hate and disgust for anyone claiming to be a "Python Programmer" or "Java Programmer"
11:17<newb>perlwizard: finally a new paste: http://picpaste.com/pics/prof2-alZtS34A.1341587769.png running only 1 Apache + MySQL, bind9 and the main machine. Still slow (1 PHP page who should run in at least 1 second is giving about 10 seconds to appear)
11:17<Guest2282>If you can go to the gas station and fill up your tank, that doesn't make you a mechanic.
11:18<Guest2282>Yes it fixes your car, no your still stupid
11:19<kop>Guest2282: This is for debian support. If you want to bitch you could try #debian-offtopic.
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11:19<Guest2282>kop: sorry I didn't mean to let it get even that far
11:20<Guest2282>and perlwizard your problem is in your name
11:21<Guest2282>expressions are not fast, I don't know where that bullshit came from
11:21<Ysgrammor>Guest2282: stop trolling
11:21<Guest2282>I am angry at the world but not trolling
11:21<Guest2282>This is my field of work
11:21<kop>Guest2282: Then go be angry in another channel where it's on topic.
11:22<Guest2282>99% of the time it's a shitty PHP script using tens of expressions
11:22<ansgar>Guest2282: Yu are offtopic. Please take it elsewhere.
11:22<Ysgrammor>Guest2282: then stop attacking people because of the programming language they use.
11:22<Guest2282>read what newb said
11:22<Guest2282>I finished that a while ago script kiddie
11:22<Guest2282>I'm onto brainstorming what newb and perlwizard discussed
11:22<Guest2282>Because those are the optimizations I do for a living
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11:23<Ysgrammor>Guest2282: I don't care what you do for a living you're off topic and beligerant
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11:23<Guest2282>Shut the fuck up retard
11:23<ansgar>!ops Guest2282
11:23<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ansgar complains about: Guest2282
11:23<Guest2282>;)
11:23<Guest2282>oooh noooo
11:23<Ysgrammor>Guest2282: Keep it up - looks like you'll have a nice ban soon
11:23<Guest2282>ban me
11:24<Guest2282>I tried to help that one guy
11:24<Guest2282>You cant drop how offended you are over Java
11:24<Guest2282>I already dropped that a while ago
11:24<Guest2282>You should too
11:24<Maulkin>Guest2282: Do you have a Debian question?
11:24<Ysgrammor>Guest2282: you're still being obnoxious
11:24<Guest2282>I have a debian answer for perlwizard
11:25<Guest2282>I wish to help him with his performance issues
11:25<Ysgrammor>Guest2282: so help him and stop insulting people
11:25<abrotman>Guest2282: start by using less Enter
11:25<Guest2282>Ysgrammor: I tried, but you wanted to troll me over my earlier comments
11:25<Guest2282>So now thats cleared up
11:25<abrotman>Guest2282: use /ignore ..
11:25<sney>sunday comes early
11:26<grove>kop: README.Debian just talks about setting up apache and MTA, and I have done that.
11:26<peterS>Guest2282: nobody is "offended" that you hate java and python. we just think you're wasting everybody's time and attention by talking about things that, basically, have nothing to do with Debian.
11:26<abrotman>Enjoy?
11:26<Ysgrammor>Guest2282: I didn't want to troll you - you were insulting people and I told you to stop trolling
11:26<Guest2282>I did
11:26<Guest2282>Before you said to stop
11:26<retrospectacus>HA
11:26<sney>abrotman did you lose your ops
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11:27<Guest2282>Ysgrammor: do you understand how it is "trolling" to ask me to stop doing something that I already stopped?
11:27<abrotman>Guest2282: stop it
11:27<abrotman>Guest2282: get back to constructive conversation or /part
11:27<Guest2282>I am
11:27<Ysgrammor>Guest2282: you had *just* insulted perlwizard
11:27<Guest2282>I'm offering a $100 to $300 for free
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11:27<Guest2282>I did not insult him
11:27<Guest2282>I provided a place to look for his problem
11:27<Guest2282>php and perl are taking up all his time
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11:28<abrotman>Guest2282: a) stop being a PITA b) lay off the Enter key ... No one wants to read 100 lines of nonsense from you. Take a timeout, thank you
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11:39<demo>?
11:39<demo>heeelp
11:40<retrospectacus>!ask
11:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:40<demo>!help
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11:40<demo>!ask
11:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:40<demo>hello?
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11:41<retrospectacus>demo: yes, we are waiting for you to ask...
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11:42<demo>im completely new to linux and i think my hard drive is broken so is there a way i can use my pen drive (which this is on) as my main drive so anything i do gets saved to it
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11:43<demo>as at the moment as soon as i reboot its back to how i started
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11:44<kop>demo: Are you using debian-live on the pen drive?
11:44<retrospectacus>you can install debian onto a usb drive, sure. Just choose it in the installer
11:44<demo>also its a solid state drive so i dont have the money for a new one right now
11:44<demo>its on my usb drive at the moment
11:45<kop>demo: "it"?
11:45<demo>but if i change anything ie. the theme when i rebot its back to how it was
11:45<demo>debian
11:45<kop>demo: How did you install it?
11:45<demo>from a pc
11:45<demo>and im botting it straight from usb
11:45<demo>booting*
11:46<demo>on a newbook
11:46<demo>netbook*
11:46<demo>sorry this keyboard is tiny lol
11:46<kop>demo: I'm betting you pressed keys on the keyboard to get it installed also. But that's not relevant. What software did you use to install it?
11:46<Ysgrammor>demo: do you have a working computer that you can use aside from the netbook? maybe a friend's computer you can borrow?
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11:47<demo>unet
11:47<demo>yes i have a pc here aswell
11:47<demo>with windows on it
11:47<Ysgrammor>that's useful
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11:48<Ysgrammor>demo: download unetbootin onto the windows machine
11:48<Ysgrammor>unetbootin.sourceforge.net
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11:49<Ysgrammor>demo: (also I recommend writing all this down somewhere as it will be helpful in case you lose connection
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11:51<demo>i have unetbootin
11:51<demo>that how i installed this onto the usb drive
11:52<Ysgrammor>demo: when you have unetbootin installed on the windows machine - plug in the usb key (unetbootin should recognise it automatically) then choose debian from the dropdown. It will automatically download it and you can select to install it to the usb (BE *VERY* CAREFUL to make sure you chose the usb stick)
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11:52<demo>i did that but with mepis
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11:52<Ysgrammor>ok when you boot with this usb key do you boot straight into this live session or is there a menu screen with an option to install?
11:52<demo>theres an option
11:52<demo>but the hard drive is broken
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11:53<demo>i have a dell 910
11:53<Ysgrammor>choose that option but select the usb key when you come to set which drive to install to
11:53<demo>i read that it was a common fault for the hard drive to break
11:53<demo>ahhhh
11:53<demo>i see
11:53<demo>so i reinstall it to the usb?
11:54<Ysgrammor>alternatively the unetbootin installer for ubuntu has an automatic option for a "persistent session on usb" which I think is what you want
11:54<demo>or do i need 2 usb sticks?
11:54<Ysgrammor>essentially yes
11:54<Ysgrammor>just this one usb
11:54<demo>ok i think i understand
11:54<Ysgrammor>right now you have the image for the installer with a live session option
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11:55<Ysgrammor>can you get to the store you bought the computer from today? Is it still in warranty?
11:55<demo>so should i install to usb or re-do it on unet and select persistent session on usb?
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11:55<demo>i didnt buy it d=today my mate gave it to me as he couldnt get it working
11:56<demo>so free netbook :-)
11:56<Dr_O__>demo: how broken is the internal hdd... you used smartctl to look at it?
11:57<Ysgrammor>I think to get you up and running with a persistent session in the quickest manner - re-do the unetbootin step and select an option that says "persistent" (most likely this will be ubuntu though)
11:57<nyov>hi, I could use a hint how to blacklist the "bridge" module in favor of openvswitch's "brcompat_mod", because bridge doesn't seem to honor my blacklist line in modprobe.d
11:57<perlwizard>newb figured it out yet?
11:58<demo>i dont know what smartctl is sorry im completly new to this
11:58<demo>and if im the 'newb' then nearly lol
11:59*Ysgrammor goes afk
11:59<Dr_O__>demo, Ysgrammor: debian-live might help for running of USB (#debian-live) Pretty sure you can have persistant sessions not that I have ever tried... but I'm butting into your conversation
11:59<demo>im on whatever mepis is right now
11:59<Ysgrammor>Dr_O_: no worries - please butt in :)
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12:00<Dr_O__>demo: when you have a working debian you may be able to "recondition" the "broken" drive by writing zero's to it...
12:00<demo>iok so should i get debian instead of what im using
12:01<Ysgrammor>demo: mepis has the functionality needed
12:01<Dr_O__>Well I assumed you were installing debian as you were asking for help on the #debian channel... but what do I know ;-)
12:02<demo>i dont know if mepis is a version of debian i have no idea what im using or doing as i said im completly new to this ;-
12:02<demo>;-)
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12:03<Dr_O__>! debian-live
12:03<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org.
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12:03<Ysgrammor>demo: mepis is based on Debian Stable but it is repackaged
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12:04<demo>ok so im going to go and try reinstalling it in persistant mode
12:04<Dr_O__>demo: well ignore my smartctl comments and get some kind of linux running first!
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12:05<Ysgrammor>demo: let us know when you're back
12:05<demo>well im using mepis an the netbook at the moment
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12:05<demo>but not sure if its in persistant mode so ill re-do it to make sure it is
12:06<demo>and will do hopefully i wont be long cheers
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12:06*Dr_O__ waves good luck!
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12:24<kop>!mepis
12:24<dpkg>MEPIS is a live CD distribution based on Debian. SimplyMEPIS 11 (based on Squeeze), SimplyMEPIS 8.0/8.5 (based on Lenny) and antiX (based on <testing>) are not supported in #debian. http://www.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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12:37<mkl37>i need some help, sane seems dead and i don't know why
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12:40<newb>perlwizard: I'm back. About the Guest2282 words, isn't the PHP code, sorry. The same code is running at another server perfectily and this is a local mirror.
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12:51<pessoal>ai gente boa tarde
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12:54<vih-anarco>como faço para abrir o Synaptic?
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12:54<perlwizard>!es
12:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:05<vih-anarco>thankz
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14:11<AlexLikeRock>hola gente :-)
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14:13<AlexLikeRock>its reliable "tails OS" ?
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14:13<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: do you have a debian question?
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14:14<AlexLikeRock>annoying you are !! ¬_¬
14:14<pparadis>AlexLikeRock: go away.
14:14<AlexLikeRock>now
14:14<AlexLikeRock> i am bakc :)
14:14<AlexLikeRock>i now , u miss me :D
14:15<pparadis>!ops can somebody please do something about AlexLikeRock ?
14:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: pparadis complains about: can somebody please do something about AlexLikeRock
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14:15<abrotman>AlexLikeRock: please try to stay on topic next time
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14:51<Aleric>Is there are package for the NVIDIA's 32-bit compatibility OpenGL libraries? I'm running x86_64, but need to run a 32bit application.
14:51<sney_>yes, it's nvidia-glx-ia32 or something like that
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14:54<Aleric>Awesome - thanks sney :)
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15:05<Alogeno>i want to upgrade my system with apt but there are some dependencies problems, if i use -f install it doesn't work too, if i try to remove the mplayer package it doesn't work
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15:06<Alogeno>so i'm in a sort of limbo, no forward no back
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15:08<Dr_O>Alogeno: what are you upgrading? squeeze -> wheezy?
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15:09<retrospectacus>!tell Alogeno about bat
15:10<Ysgrammor>Alogeno: do you have any apt-pinning or preferences set up?
15:11<Alogeno>zero apt-pinning strangely i have not a preferences file
15:11<Ysgrammor>that just means you didn't set it up
15:11<Alogeno>or at least i think so
15:11<Dr_O>Alogeno: no prefrences file is default setup
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15:11<Alogeno>ah ok
15:11<Ysgrammor>so we know it's default apt setup
15:12<Alogeno>i came from a multiarch base but now i'm only on amd64 and i'm on sid
15:12<Ysgrammor>Alogeno: come over to #debian-next
15:13<Ysgrammor>this channel is mostly for stable
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15:13<Alogeno>ok i'll switch to
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15:24<AlexLikeRock>tanks :)
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15:25<stlsaint>hello folks, i have tried 4 different debian iso's all failing with following:
15:25<stlsaint>first three where: No installable kernel
15:25<stlsaint>first three were netinstall iso's
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15:25<stlsaint>fourth one currently trying is saying: failing to configure package manager
15:26<stlsaint>any thoughts here?
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15:26<stlsaint>fourth one is the: lxde 6.0.4 iso
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15:27<AlexLikeRock>try read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html
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15:27<stlsaint>ok, checking out now
15:27<AlexLikeRock>we recomend DEBIAN 6 (stable )
15:29<sney_>stlsaint: sounds like incomplete/corrupt downloads, though current isos should be 6.0.5
15:29<sney_>stlsaint: make sure you are downloading your installer from an official mirror, and check the file before burning it
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15:30<inkbottle>Hi, I've done an upgrade under a screen session. And there has been a change in the config of screen or I don't know what during the time. And now it doesn't reconnect with screen -R
15:30<stlsaint>alright i will do all again but this will be fifth time with various downloads
15:31<sney_>inkbottle: do you see the session if you do 'screen -ls'
15:31<stlsaint>sney_: should i be downloading cd1 from here:
15:31<stlsaint>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/bt-cd/
15:31<sney_>stlsaint: yes, that is fine, just make sure the torrent is 100% downloaded before using it
15:32<stlsaint>yea i did, is it fine to be using unetbootin to place on usb?
15:32<inkbottle>sney_: yes
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15:32<sney_>stlsaint: unetbootin is not officially supported, are you in windows?
15:32<sney_>inkbottle: you should be able to reconnect with screen -x if it's the only one
15:32<stlsaint>sney_: nope, lubuntu
15:33<AlexLikeRock>wen you burn the CD or DVD , burn on slow speed ;-)
15:33<sney_>stlsaint: just write the image directly to usb with dd, then. dd if=file.iso of=/dev/foo (usually /dev/sdc for usb devices)
15:33<AlexLikeRock>stlssaint , wen you burn the CD or DVD , burn on slow speed ;-)
15:33<stlsaint>alright will do
15:33<stlsaint>AlexLikeRock: no cd mate, usb
15:33<sney_>AlexLikeRock: if you are going to "help", please pay attention
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15:34<stlsaint>sney_: md5 is correct for cd1 i have
15:35<stlsaint>will dd drive now
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15:35<sney_>stlsaint: try writing that one now. make sure you run 'sync' before unplugging the usb drive.
15:35<inkbottle>sney_: It doesn't seem to work, and also after 'screen -x', I can't leave: C-c, or C-d, or C-a do nothing
15:35<airwolf97>exit
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15:35<stlsaint>sney_: ae
15:35<stlsaint>thanks
15:35<stlsaint>s/ae/aye
15:35<sney_>np
15:36<sney_>inkbottle: so it does connect to the session, but you can't type any input?
15:36<inkbottle>sney_: when I do C-a, it yields '^A'
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15:37<inkbottle>sney_: and screen -ls still says detached
15:37<sney_>hmm, did screen get updated as well?
15:38<sney_>you might just need to kill the session and make it again
15:39<SynrG>inkbottle: the upgrade *told* you this would happen
15:39<SynrG>and told you where it put the old copy to reconnect to your old session
15:39<SynrG>wheezy, right?
15:39<inkbottle>SynrG: yes :-/
15:40<inkbottle>but I don't remember what had to be done then :-/
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15:40<SynrG>inkbottle: look in /usr/share/doc/screen/NEWS.Debian.gz
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15:40<inkbottle>SynrG: ok
15:41<SynrG>and in general, packages put their newsworthy things in similarly named files
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15:43<SynrG>inkbottle: also, though there's no problem asking here, #debian-next supports wheezy/sid. you may find that helpful for future issues
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15:44<inkbottle>SynrG: Thanks for the tips, I didn't know about it :-)
15:45<inkbottle>SynrG: thanks also for /usr/share/doc/screen/NEWS.Debian.gz, it dit the trick :-)
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15:45<SynrG>inkbottle: glad to have been able to help
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15:48<nitro282>buona sera
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15:59<stlsaint>sney_: aye, dd seems to have done the trick, made it past all the previous error points...close to finishing install
16:00<stlsaint>sney_: thanks again, never had that kind of issue with unetbootin before
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16:01<sney_>stlsaint: no problem. glad to help
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17:29<BillyBag2>hi
17:29<BillyBag2>Can anyone help with installing ffmpeg on RPi ?
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17:30<sney_>what have you tried so far
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17:31<BillyBag2>I have used apt-get, its complaining, tried usual clean/update etc and dpkg --configure -a
17:31<retrospectacus>!bat
17:31<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
17:31<retrospectacus>BillyBag2: please pastebin all that ^
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17:34<BillyBag2>pi@raspberrypi:~$ apt-cache policy
17:34<BillyBag2>Package files:
17:34<BillyBag2> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
17:34<BillyBag2> release a=now
17:34<BillyBag2> 500 http://archive.qmh-project.org/rpi/debian/ unstable/main armel Packages
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17:37<AlexLikeRock>adios gente :-)
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17:38<sney_>retrospectacus: swing and a miss
17:39<sney_>when my rpi arrives I'll have a cleaner understanding of how modified that debian image really is
17:39<retrospectacus>I guess it's too much to expect people to read
17:40<sney_>and maybe I'll put out my own blend installer for it if I'm feeling charitable
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17:49<BillyBag2>http://paste.debian.net/178002
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17:50<BillyBag2>hi, can someone help with ffmpeg install on RPi ?
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17:51<engla>BillyBag2: thanks for pasting that
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17:52<gotmynick>BillyBag2, maybe you need to add "contrib" and/or "non-free" to your sources.list ?
17:52<sney_>,versions libavdevice52
17:52<judd>Package: libavdevice52 on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; squeeze: 4:0.5.6-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 4:0.5.9-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.9-1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.12-0.0
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17:53<engla>BillyBag2: since you are using "qmh-project" repository it is probably their fault
17:53<retrospectacus>BillyBag2: you should have "contrib" as well as main and non-free on the ftp.uk line in sources.list. that should help
17:54<BillyBag2>OK, I will try adding contrib to the end of the last line.
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17:55<retrospectacus>engla: that repo appears to just have a few QT packages, probably not doing anything
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18:00<matlock>hey hey
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18:00<BillyBag2>Sorry, adding " contrib" to the second line that has the ftp uk.....
18:01<matlock>got an entry in fstab for my disk, it's a third partition but when I type mount -a it tells me that there's no mountpoint
18:01<sney_>BillyBag2: as long as it's the deb line, not the deb-src line
18:01<gotmynick>BillyBag2, and running apt-get update after edit ...
18:01<matlock>why does mount -a create all other mount points but this one?
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18:02<sney_>mount -a does not create mountpoints, the directory needs to exist. some other mounting utilities can create directories on the fly, like pmount, but if you are using fstab you should just create the directory yourself
18:02<matlock>ok
18:02<matlock>i'm referencing the usb disk i have
18:02<matlock>and an internal partition
18:02<matlock>the usb disk has it's directories created
18:02<matlock>but the internal doesn't. no bother, i'll go with mkdir /media/data
18:02<matlock>thx
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18:03<BillyBag2>No, that did not work. The update found more things and I had to run it again to remove duplicates but got the same error. "... not going to install ..."
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18:04<BillyBag2>Same error as original http://paste.debian.net/178002
18:05<retrospectacus>BillyBag2: try ''apt-get install ffmpeg libavdevice52 libavfilter0 libavformat52'' and pastebin the output
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18:09<BillyBag2>http://paste.debian.net/178003
18:10<sl1ce>hi i am using a radeon catalyst driver and some of my applications don't have a window around them
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18:13<BillyBag2>May be I have problems because it appears to want libavcode52 <4... but will install >5.......... ?
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18:15<retrospectacus>BillyBag2: yes... let's see ''apt-cache policy libavcodec52''
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18:18<BillyBag2>Ok, I own up to fiddling with this stuff, I upgraded some bits from wheezy. I'll do what you say and I think we may find where I broke it.
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18:19<retrospectacus>there is no "bits from wheezy" ...I mean it's kinda possible but you quickly run into this kind of thing... you will probably have to upgrade fully to wheezy
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18:24<BillyBag2>http://paste.debian.net/178009
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18:25<BillyBag2>Ok, I think I can purge this using "dpkg -P libavcodec52" ??
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18:26<retrospectacus>BillyBag2: try downgrading like: apt-get install libavcodec52=4:0.5.6-3
18:26<BillyBag2>Oh? Something like that Um?
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18:27<retrospectacus>side note, you don't need sudo/root for apt-cache policy
18:28<BillyBag2>Ok, typo, it says the "dependency problems - not removing"
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18:29<retrospectacus>yeah
18:30<BillyBag2>Right, thanks, apt-cache does not need su. The dpkg command line look ok but it reported the dependency issue and did not remove it.
18:30<retrospectacus>if you mix stable and testing.... you're gonna have a bad time
18:30<retrospectacus>you'll have to add wheezy sources to proceed, and probably end up upgrading entirely
18:31<BillyBag2>yep, I tried to uninstall it all and start again. It was kind of working.
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18:36<BillyBag2>I installed omxplayer. I don't think I used apt-get for that. But I can not remember how I did it. I then tried to install xbmc but that is where it all went wrong. If I can find the omxp I could probly start over.
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18:48<sney_>BillyBag2: yeah, debian does not like it when you mix a whole bunch of software from different sources.
18:48<sney_>I would just reflash and start over
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18:53<BillyBag2>Thanks, I have wasted quite a lot of time on this but I have learnt a lot. I don't think I have much worth keeping so will start again. Any idea which is best to use, squeeze or wheezy?
18:54<BillyBag2>Will stuff from the new one get put on the old or does the old one depreciate and a new unstable is created with a new name?
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18:54<engla>BillyBag2: a new stable is created with a new name (wheezy)
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18:55<dvs>BillyBag2: squeeze will only get security fixes. Wheezy will get bug fixes until it's released.
18:57<BillyBag2>Ok, there is a lot of traffic on news groups about wheezy, so I may go for that.
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18:58<BillyBag2>thanks
19:00<grafdiffuzor>I've got t420 and now want to setup wifi. I've read some docs and installed firmware-iwlwifi, which, according to /var/log/messages, sees wifi hardware. Now, I've set invisible SSID wifi network, and I can't detect it with wicd. How can I check my hardware is actually working?
19:00<grafdiffuzor>yes, t420=thinkpad t420
19:01<dvs>BillyBag2: np
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19:02<dvs>grafdiffuzor: iwlist scan
19:02<dvs>as root
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19:04<grafdiffuzor>here's /var/log/messages: http://paste.debian.net/178017/
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19:05<grafdiffuzor>dvs sudo iwlist scan gives "eth0 doesn't support scanning", same for pan0
19:05<grafdiffuzor>/sbin/ifconfig doesn't show pan0
19:05<grafdiffuzor>by the way
19:05<babilen>grafdiffuzor: Did you reload the module after installing the firmware?
19:06<grafdiffuzor>babilen will try now
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19:07<babilen>grafdiffuzor: I am also pretty convinced that you need a newer kernel than the one in squeeze. We are talking about a wireless adaptor with the PCIID 8086:4238 aren't we? (cf. "lspci -nn|grep -i network")
19:07<grafdiffuzor>well, reloading produced same output in /var/log/messages and iwlist scan
19:08<babilen>Oh, that one should work with the kernel in squeeze. It's only other components of the SB platform that would be happy about a newer one
19:08<babilen>grafdiffuzor: In that case: Your hardware is working.
19:08<grafdiffuzor>lspci gave "03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation 6000 Series Gen2 [8086:0085] (rev 34)
19:08<babilen>grafdiffuzor: Which GPU do you have?
19:08<grafdiffuzor>nvs4200m
19:09<babilen>,pciid 8086:0085
19:09<judd>[8086:0085] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6205' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0085
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19:10<babilen>grafdiffuzor: Ah, you've got a different wlan adaptor than I in that case. You actually need a newer kernel for that one. See "/msg dpkg bdo" and "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" for details.
19:12<grafdiffuzor>babilen can you please tell what is the version that will do?
19:12<grafdiffuzor>of kernel
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19:13<sney_>,kernels
19:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
19:13<sney_>grafdiffuzor: ^ the one listed for squeeze-backports
19:13<babilen>grafdiffuzor: Check http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0085
19:14<babilen>grafdiffuzor: And the version in squeeze-backports is fine. Do *not* forget to install firmware-iwlwifi along with other firmware-* packages (aptitude search ~i~n^firmware) from backports too.
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19:15<grafdiffuzor>ok, only one thing -- kmuto.jp seems to list 2.6.35- kernel as sufficient for wifi -- just as I have in squeeze.
19:16<grafdiffuzor>is it some mistake on kmuto.jp?
19:16<dvs>grafdiffuzor: Read the version numbers again.
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19:16<pparadis>squeeze uses 2.6.32
19:16<babilen>Pay close attention to the difference between 35 and 32 ;)
19:17<grafdiffuzor>ahh, so kmuto lists 2.6.32-45
19:17<grafdiffuzor>for stable
19:18<dvs>grafdiffuzor: no, kmuto lists 2.6.35
19:19<pparadis>35 > 32
19:19<babilen>grafdiffuzor: I'd like to note that I am not entirely sure how well the backported kernel works with the proprietary nvidia driver that you are most likely using. I guess that you have to install the backport of that as well, but that is rather based on intuition and support in here than personal experience
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19:19<pparadis>nvidia strikes again.
19:19*dvs strikes nvidia
19:19<grafdiffuzor>well, I hope recompile of nvidia will suffice
19:20*pparadis gets a hammer to join dvs in that
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19:20<grafdiffuzor>I've got that catch about .35
19:20<grafdiffuzor>thank you all
19:20<grafdiffuzor>will try that now
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19:28<matlock>hay, how problematic would it be if i mounted /home on a microsd card then linked the big folders to a separate location?
19:28<matlock>basically i want my profile on the sdcard but the rest on another hdd
19:31<sney_>no problem as long as you get the permissions right. but sd card access is not exactly fast
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19:32<matlock>yea i know i mainly just want it incase my drive fails
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19:33<Jzebus>just rsync the folders you want to the SD card?
19:34<matlock>hmm.. i'll look into that
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19:34<Jzebus>basically jsut backing up
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19:39<matlock>so if i rsync a folder with a symbolic link, will it follow that link down and try to back that up too?
19:39<Jzebus>you need to tell it what to do
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19:40<Jzebus>Ii'm afraid I only read the man pages ten set it up, somebody else may know
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19:41<matlock>wow that's a lot of options
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19:45<retrospectacus>my go-to options on rsync are -Hazv
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19:46<retrospectacus>z only on network transfers
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19:50<scientes>i never did wrap my head around rsync
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19:51<Jzebus>it is many-optioned and not as much like cp as I expected
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19:52<Jzebus>one of those things you owe it to yourself to learn when you need it
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19:53<retrospectacus>-n can be handy (dry run, no actual transfer)
19:54<Jzebus>good call retrospectacus
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19:54<Jzebus>I'll use that next time I play rather than doing it for real
19:55<scientes>LP
19:55<retrospectacus>:)
19:55<scientes>*:P
19:55<retrospectacus>I'm out! have good weekends debianers
19:56*dvs holds retrospectacus hostage
19:56<pparadis>peace \o
19:56*pparadis holds dvs, gently
19:56<dvs>doh
19:56*retrospectacus escapes
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20:05<grafdiffuzor>now, on 3.2.0-bpo, "sudo iwlist scan" says "wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down", does it mean hardware is working already?
20:05<Aleric>testing is broken :/
20:06<Aleric>>sudo service cryptdisks-early restart
20:06<Aleric>/usr/sbin/service: line 123: exec: restart: not found
20:06<sney_>grafdiffuzor: make sure you upgraded the firmware packages to the backport versions as well
20:06<sney_>Aleric: #debian-next for testing issues
20:08<grafdiffuzor>sney_ it seems I did, "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install" says firmware-iwlwifi already at highest version
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20:11<dvs>grafdiffuzor: ifup wlan0
20:11<sney_>grafdiffuzor: run 'ifconfig wlan0 up' and try again
20:11<sney_>dvs: ifup will only work if it's in interfaces
20:11<dvs>ah
20:11<grafdiffuzor>here's /var/log/messages : http://paste.debian.net/178020/
20:12<grafdiffuzor>wow, now green beacon is lighten up =)
20:12<grafdiffuzor>sney_ thank you
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20:14<sney_>grafdiffuzor: np
20:15<grafdiffuzor>can you share some pointers about how can I set /etc/.../interfaces to enable auto-connect to my wifi router?
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20:16<dvs>grafdiffuzor: remove all wlan0 entries from /etc/network/interfaces and install network-manager-gnome
20:16<sney_>um, or to actually answer the question, just read 'man 5 interfaces' and it's pretty straightforward
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21:39<TurdFerguson>would anyone be willing to help me with cli partitioning?
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21:43<abrotman>ask a more specific question
21:45<TurdFerguson>i need to use cfdisk or fdick to create 2 *as close to identical in size as possible* partitions with the remaining space left on a 2tb disk
21:46<TurdFerguson>and i need to partitions to be /home/user1 /home/user2
21:46<TurdFerguson>never messed with fdisk or cfdisk... so i am not sure how to do this
21:47<pparadis>TurdFerguson: will you just need two partitions, or will there be a need for similar partitions in the future? if the answer is yes to more in the future, you might consider using logical volumes via LVM. if you just want to use fdisk, there are many examples on the web and the man page is comprehensive.
21:47<TurdFerguson>nope
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21:48<TurdFerguson>these will be set in stone practically
21:48<TurdFerguson>i just need these 2 primary partitions
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21:48<abrotman>it asks you for number of blocks
21:50<TurdFerguson>my problem isn't really the size
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21:50<TurdFerguson>it's how to create the partitions specifically in /home/user
21:50<pparadis>creating a partition is one thing. you can mount it wherever you want.
21:51<pparadis>they're two separate things.
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21:51<TurdFerguson>ok... well i do not know how to do that
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21:51<pparadis>TurdFerguson: are you creating separate partitions for users to enforce quotas on disk usage?
21:52<TurdFerguson>yes and no
21:52<TurdFerguson>i want each user to have the exact amount of space
21:52<TurdFerguson>but i'm not really trying to just limit them to space
21:52<pparadis>if you're trying to enforce quotas for disk usage, you might be interested in the "quota" package. if you're interested in access control, that's what filesystem permissions are for.
21:53<TurdFerguson>yeah that was already suggested
21:53<pparadis>quota + chmod
21:53<TurdFerguson>i do not want to use quota at all
21:53<TurdFerguson>it's important that each user have their own partition
21:54<pparadis>you can mount a partition anywhere you want with "mount /dev/sdaX /your/mount/point" in the shell, and you can add entries to /etc/fstab to have them mounted at boot. but i'm really curious why you want each user to have their own partition.
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21:56<TurdFerguson>someone told me i could just umount /home and fdisk from there
21:56<pparadis>"man mount" and "man fstab" are what you want if you really want to do it the way you're describing, but i don't understand why you wouldn't use the available tools for enforcing quotas and permissions instead. in fact, you'll still have to enforce permissions anyhow.
21:56<pparadis>unmounting home and fdisk have nearly nothing to do with each other.
21:57<TurdFerguson>ok
21:57<pparadis>why don't you want to use quota?
21:57<TurdFerguson>i'll look into it
21:57<TurdFerguson>thank you
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22:05<stray57>hello.. can sum1 help me plz.. i'm looking or irc.icq.com and i'm on XChat. i'm lost..
22:06<scientes>stray57, /server irc.icq.com or right click this: irc://irc.icq.com/
22:07<scientes>dpkg, tell stray57 about irc tutorial
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22:07<stray57>cheers.. nice one!
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22:40<omnicide>hey, i'm trying to use unetbooting to make a bootable usb, but it doesn't seem to have the ubnkern file
22:40<omnicide>is it hidden?
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22:47<abrotman>omnicide: in general, unetbootin doesn't work ..
22:47<abrotman>!tell omnicide about usb install
22:48<omnicide>neat
22:49<abrotman>indeed
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22:51<h01ger>hi
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22:51<h01ger>vlc http://video.debconf.org:8000/talkroom_1.ogv - does that work for you?
22:53*abrotman looks
22:53<abrotman>[0x94f3608] access_http access error: error: HTTP/1.0 404 File Not Found
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22:54<abrotman>h01ger: that'd be a no
22:55<h01ger>hunmpf
22:55<h01ger>also http://debconf12.debconf.org/video.xhtml ?
22:56<omnicide>welp time to test
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22:59<abrotman>h01ger: the URL works in a browser, but i can't watch any videos from the pages
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23:01<h01ger>right
23:01<h01ger>abrotman, thanks so far
23:01<abrotman>hopefully it gets better :)
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23:02<omnicide>almost :[
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23:06<h01ger>vlc http://video.debconf.org:8000/talkroom1.ogv - does that work for you?
23:06<h01ger>note the change in url
23:06<h01ger>the debconf12 web is being updated atm
23:06<abrotman>well, doesn't error, but not seeing a video either
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23:09<h01ger>try agian please
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23:09<abrotman>k
23:09<abrotman>h01ger: i see someone sitting at a desk in a lecture hall
23:10<omnicide>do i have to append SETUPLDR.BIN into my syslinux.cfg to get it to boot from usb?
23:10<h01ger>abrotman, yay
23:10<abrotman>indeed :)
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23:22<h01ger>stream will go down as planned now and should be back online tomorrow morning at 20:30
23:22<youlysses>Is Debian really looking to make it onto the FSF's free distro list?
23:22<abrotman>check the mailing lists
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23:57<GReisch>help
23:58<youlysses>GReisch: Ask away.
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