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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-07-08

---Logopened Sun Jul 08 00:00:00 2012
---Daychanged Sun Jul 08 2012
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00:29<lanu>test
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00:38<bingo>hello
00:38<bingo>i have just installed linux
00:38<bingo>it rocks
00:38<Calinou>good for you :]
00:39<bingo>do you have webcam?
00:39<scientes>how do i make diff only report new lines in file 2, and not removed lines?
00:40<bingo>are these messages posted somewhere online?
00:41<bingo>goodbye
00:41<Calinou>bingo, no, IRC doesn't support webcam
00:42<Calinou>not sure if the debian channels are logged, though
00:42<bingo>ok. thanks@calinou
00:42<bingo>how do you log out of irc?
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00:42<Calinou>just close your client? if you're using a webchat just close the tab
00:43<bingo>i have a webcam but i can't turn it off. i used to be able to when i had windows
00:45<bingo>is there a way to turn it off without unplugging it or blacklist its driver?
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00:46<scientes>how do i create a patch/diff that only adds lines?
00:47<ztux>#DebianMexico
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00:48<Calinou>bingo, why would you want to turn it off?
00:49<Calinou>linux isn't obscure, unlike windows. unless you're using some chat program (IRC has no webcam support, again), it will not be used
00:49<bingo>well it is on constantly i don't want it to accidentally recording and broadcasting over the internet
00:50<bingo>i will use it to skype
00:50<Calinou>blame the manufacturer for not putting proper linux support
00:50<Calinou>skype on linux? meh
00:50<bingo>what do you use for voip?
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00:51<bingo>my friends and family have skype accounts. are there open source alternatives i can use?
00:52<Calinou>voip? mumble/teamspeak
00:53<Calinou>mumble is opensource, but it is originally made for gaming :P
00:54<bingo>unfortunately my family and friends are using windows
00:54<bingo>maybe they can get mumble for windows
00:57<bingo>is there a way to explore directories like in windows?
00:57<bingo>using gui to "browse" your files
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01:27<Calinou>._.
01:27<Calinou><bingo> using gui to "browse" your files
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01:28<Calinou>TIL people cannot find the "file manager" button
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01:52<delbs>hello
01:53<Calinou>hi
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02:01<puth>hi
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02:14<Calinou>hi
02:16<ompaul>morning
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02:32<tenach>Allo.
02:32<sney>hi.
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02:56<g007> /msg bots NOT people
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03:26<Osiris_X>how do I run a .desktop file from the commandline?
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04:30<atheer>hi
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04:33<vagvaf>hello people, i'm running debian testing and i have some problems with (probably) my video card. instead of proper letters i get glitches in iceweasel. any ideas?
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04:39<atheer>hi
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04:41<atheer>how
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04:42<atheer>hello
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06:19<jcld>bonjour tous le monde
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06:21<pparadis>!fr
06:21<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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07:11<azade>hi
07:12<azade>i have a question about Qt
07:12<azade>is there any body to help?
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07:47<devil>ask
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07:49<heikkila>He only had patience for a minute
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07:57<devil>yeah, seen to late
07:57<devil>prbably wrong chan anyways
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08:02<fgeek>how do I get a list of packages, which are Section: web and Depends of for example php5?
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08:11<babilen>!tell fgeek -about aptitude search
08:11<devil>fgeek: apt-cache depends <foo> for the depends. there is also rdepends
08:11<devil>hm, I should understand what I read ;)
08:12<babilen>fgeek: A combination of ?section (~s) and ?Depends: (~D) is probably what you are after
08:12<babilen>s/?Depends/?RDepends/
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08:13<babilen>fgeek: I would also recommend to look into debtags (/msg dpkg debtags)
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08:40<parkki>Hey
08:40<parkki>Would it be okay to ask a question here? I'm getting mentally broken with this problem
08:41<pparadis>!ask
08:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:41<parkki>It's probably simple as this's my first time using linux
08:41<parkki>I'm trying to install FSLVIEW to go with FSL4.1.9
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08:41<parkki>It works fine, except when I try to run fslview inside FSL
08:41<parkki>I get an error message with:
08:41<pparadis>parkki: wait
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08:42<pparadis>don't paste in the channel
08:42<parkki>Oh
08:42<parkki>Okay
08:42<parkki>I'll type it up as it's about a line long
08:42<parkki>It just says libpng12.so.0 cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
08:42<JshWright>parkki: if it's a single line, you can paste it
08:42<pparadis>parkki: first, what version of debian are you using? second, if it's only a line, that's okay for the channel, but most error/log stuff would go to a pastebin :)
08:42<parkki>heh aye
08:42<JshWright>it's not the act of pasting that's an issue, it's the act of scrolling multiple lines in the channel
08:42<pparadis>JshWright: howdy :)
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08:43<haylo>he means to use a service like pastebin parkki . some people paste 20 liners into the irc channel
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08:43<pparadis>and get autokicked
08:43<haylo>and it is sucky
08:43<parkki>I'm using the newest stable debian build from debian.org, so it's 6.0 something
08:43<JshWright>pparadis: I've been lurking for a while now
08:43<pparadis>JshWright: you lurker you
08:43<parkki>Don't really know how to even proceed with this problem
08:43<parkki>I tried yum install libpng etc
08:43<parkki>But all I get is that it's already installed
08:43<pparadis>parkki: yum?
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08:44<parkki>yes yum
08:44<pparadis>!fedora
08:44<dpkg>Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, although it is not supported by Red Hat officially, you can get help from the community: #fedora on irc.freenode.net. http://fedoraproject.org/
08:44<parkki>hmm?
08:44<JshWright>are you _sure_ you mean 'yum'? (not 'apt'?)
08:44<pparadis>parkki: #debian is only for debian support.
08:45<parkki>Yes I'm sure I mean yum
08:45<pparadis>parkki: what version linux are you running?
08:45<parkki>I tried apt
08:45<pparadis>rather, what distro?
08:45<parkki>How do I check? I thought I had debian
08:45<pparadis>parkki: what does "uname -a" say?
08:45<parkki> x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
08:45<JshWright>(that'll be a single line, which you can paste in the channel)
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08:46<pparadis>parkki: that's not the complete output of "uname -a"
08:46<parkki>Linux localhost.localdomain 3.4.4-5.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jul 5 20:20:59 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
08:46<pparadis>parkki: you're running fedora.
08:46<pparadis>!tell parkki about fedora
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08:46<parkki>Oh for crying out loud no wonder this sucked
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08:46<parkki>Been googling debian troubleshooting for the past several hours
08:46<haylo>lol, i was about to say that myself parkki
08:47<pparadis>O_O
08:47<parkki>Oh for crying out loud
08:47<JshWright>how did you manage to install this withouth noticing all the Fedora branding?
08:47<parkki>Bootable usb stick, bottle of vodka and brain death obviously
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08:48<parkki>So how do I make a bootable usb stick with debian to replace this crap
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08:48<engla>if you already have a debian or ubuntu system you can use debootstrap to install debian on an usb stick
08:48<parkki>Yeah sorry guys, my bad.
08:48<pparadis>parkki: i once built a computer in a crystal springs cardboard box using components from a box of crap found by a devry student. this took place in a hotel room after a bottle of vodka between us, and the result had mandrake installed on it. many years ago. see, drinking is bad.
08:49<parkki>Engla: I'm dual booting win 7 and fedora
08:49<parkki>I intended to be dual booting win 7 and debian
08:49<haylo>parkki, use a tool to transfer it onto the usb, like cat, or dd. Or, you can use a usb booting tool like pendrive linux or unetbootin
08:49<parkki>No wonder all those instructions on how to install FSL on debian felt a bit hard to follow
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08:50<parkki>I presume I can just install on top of this fedora without any hassle?
08:50<pparadis>!tell parkki about usb install
08:51<parkki>Oh don't worry I can always boot back to win 7 and make it from there :)
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08:51<parkki>Thanks for the help
08:52<pparadis>sure thing! if you need any help getting debian going over what you have now, please check back.
08:52<parkki>Oh I have a feeling I'll be back
08:53<engla>parkki: back with debian i hope :-)
08:53<parkki>Oh absolutely
08:53<parkki>Hopefully it'll be a bit less user friendly
08:54<parkki>Well time to boot back to win 7 and start all over again
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09:06<otros>every time that i want to start a wireless connection, it ask for the root password. in which group do i have to be to not be asked for it?
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09:11<fatal1ty>connect
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09:17<otros>fatal1ty, if you were answering me, that group don't exist
09:18<pparadis>otros: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
09:18<pparadis>otros: what version of debian are you using?
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09:19<tuxcrafter>http://www.debian.org/CD/live/#live-install-stable < witch one of those has a memtest optin
09:19<otros>it's wheezy
09:19<tuxcrafter>i booted the standard one and i dont see memtest in the boot menu
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09:19<pparadis>otros: you need to be a member of the netdev group.
09:19<tuxcrafter>nevermind
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09:21<otros>pparadis, ok, now i'm a member of netdev, but still ask for the root password. should i reboot?
09:21<tuxcrafter>the option felt of the screen
09:23<pparadis>otros: you need to log out and log back in again.
09:23<otros>ok thanks ... i will do that now.
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09:24<otros>pparadis, it still ask for the root password
09:26<rgms>Hi. Is it possible to dd the partition table from a bigger disk to a smaller one without problems? The extra space is unallocated
09:26<rgms>to clone the whole disk, I mean
09:27<rgms>I want to clone a 160GB HDD on a 60GB SSD
09:29<ompaul>no the inode table would get very broken in the mean time - if you can resize the hdd in the mean time - however it might be safer to do an install on the sdd and then make a backup of that
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09:30<rgms>what do you mean by "resize the hdd in the mean time"?
09:31<ompaul>rgms: if you can force the hdd to be less than 160 but that is a dangerous route unless you are used to doing it
09:32<haylo>rgms, i have done this, and its a bad idea. The only real success i have had with dd'ing back and forth like that is with identical drives
09:32<ompaul>rgms: I don't know what fs / or if you have lvm
09:32<rgms>I'm running ext4, no lvm
09:32<ompaul>rgms: you must have the same or greater for dd
09:33<rgms>okay
09:33<ompaul>as the target device
09:33<rgms>so what would you recommend?
09:33<ompaul>create a fresh system on the sdd and copy the data onto it
09:33<ompaul>then use shread on the current system
09:34<rgms>you mean shred?
09:34<ompaul>rgms: also know that mount points will most likely change
09:34<ompaul>I do
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09:35<rgms>any ideas how I should restore the data? Only like the config files I need or just rsync everything?
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09:38<rgms>or could I just clone to partitions, with dd, for example?
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09:40<ompaul>rgms: what size are they?
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09:40<ompaul>rgms: how about rsync
09:41<rgms>well basically I have root and swap
09:41<ompaul>rgms: really you'd have an install done onto the sdd and you'd be having fun with rsync at this stage ;-)
09:41<rgms>currently root is something like 155gb but only a couple of GB's are used
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09:42<haylo_>rsync and tar combine to form a a superior back up system to dd clones. dd 'd clones have all sorts of potential for messing up disks
09:43<haylo_>its fun for experimenting, with little cheap drives like usb, but beyond that its basically worthless/too risky, in my opinion
09:44<rgms>all right
09:45<rgms>so I should install the system, boot to another os, and rsync -a /media/disk-the-old-hdd/* /media/disk-the-new-ssd?
09:45<rgms>or is it possible to rsync devices?
09:45<abrotman>it is, but that seems silly
09:46<abrotman>rgms: why not create the new partitions and copy the files to the new disk ?
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09:48<rgms>after reinstalling the system on the ssd, or?
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10:10<rgms>so now I just created new partitions for the new drive and currently am rsyncing with -ax all the files. Should the system work like this?
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10:11<rgms>what about the disk uuid, will be the problems with that?
10:11<pparadis>rgms: the disk uuid has nothing to do with files on it.
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10:12<rgms>but doesnt /etc/fstab inclued the uuid's or something?
10:13<SynrG>if you are switching to make the new disk the new /, yes, you need to change fstab. that goes without saying
10:13<SynrG>you would need to do that whether you mount by uuid or not
10:14<pparadis>you can refer to partitions by their uuids or by device name (sda[x], etc). either way, if you're using uuid-based naming in /etc/fstab, then you need to update /etc/fstab with the appropriate uuid for a partition. however, copying files does not copy a uuid for a partition.
10:15<rgms>what about the MBR, will the system be able to boot with just the boot flag?
10:16<pparadis>you determine where grub gets installed. typically, it needs to be installed to the MBR of a drive, not a partition.
10:16<pparadis>depending on what you move around, you may need to run update-grub afterward. other than that, it should just work.
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10:17<rgms>but I didn'
10:17<rgms>...t even install the system on it
10:17<rgms>and on the previous drive GRUB was in the MBR
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10:19<pparadis>rgms: if your actual objective all this time was to clone disks, you really would have been better off just using dd and resize2fs afterward to use an empty space you had on the new disks.
10:19<pparadis>s/use an/use any/
10:19<rgms>but the target disk is smaller
10:20<rgms>I was told resizing and dd'ing would break the inode table
10:21<pparadis>rgms: so either shrink the source filesystem to fit before you do the dd, or go with it as is and fsck -fy the destination filesystem after you run out of space.
10:22<pparadis>(and resize2fs it down as well)
10:22<pparadis>rgms: you can shrink ext2/3/4 filesystems. you just can't do that while they're mounted.
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10:23<rgms>My original plan was the shrink the source filesystem before dd and then just dd, but I was told this would mess up the inode table
10:23<rgms>and I have basically no idea what that even means
10:23<pparadis>it won't.
10:23<pparadis>whoever told you that had no idea what he was talking about, unless you actually have a very large number of tiny files.
10:24<pparadis>rgms: do this --> "df -h ; df -i" on your source filesystem.
10:24<pparadis>that will give you the amount of free space in human readable format, as well as the percentage of inodes you're actually using.
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10:24<rgms>just a second
10:25<pparadis>rgms: more information on what an inode is --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inode
10:25<salamander>is there a way to play flash videos outside the web browser, like in vlc for example?
10:26<pparadis>salamander: what version of linux are you using?
10:26<salamander>debian squeeze
10:26<salamander>lxdm desktop
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10:27<salamander>no web browser for now, I couldt get flash to work yesterday and I installed debian again
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10:28<rgms>pparadis, I'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/QhrBMzGp
10:28<pparadis>salamander: closest thing in the repos is probably stuff like this --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/klash
10:28<pparadis>rgms: whoever told you to be worried about inode utilization obviously didn't have the information you just pasted.
10:29<rgms>all right
10:29<pparadis>rgms: also, in the future, please use http://paste.debian.net so we can avoid ad-laden pages and such.
10:29<rgms>so I'll just shrink the partition and dd
10:29<rgms>thanks a lot for your help
10:29<salamander>kde applicatio mhhh. I will check that anyway, thanx
10:29<pparadis>do make backups first!
10:29<pparadis>:)
10:29<rgms>already have, naturally :9
10:29<pparadis>hehe good deal :)
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10:46<who7734>hi
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11:07<bananafish>can anybody here help me with Debian on sparc?
11:08<pparadis>!anyone
11:08<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
11:09<bananafish>ok, How can I get my SunBlade 1500 to work with xserver on Debian. I have heard it has been done, but I cannot find anything online about it.\
11:11<ompaul>bananafish: start there I guess ftp://ftp.ie.debian.org/mirrors/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/sparc/iso-cd/
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11:11<ompaul>bananafish: after that you are on your own, I have no idea what debian looks like on a sparc
11:11<ompaul>bananafish: if it is anything like on a wintel it will be a straight forward install
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11:13<bananafish>I have got it installed and all that already, but the graphics is all "stringy" and fuzzy
11:13<bananafish>I honestly cannot find anything about this issue online
11:14<ompaul>in modern X move xorg.conf to one side and restart X not saying it will fix it but it might
11:15<sney>bananafish, do you know what video board it has?
11:15<bananafish>ok, Ill try that.
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11:15<bananafish>XVR-600 or XVR-500
11:15<bananafish>lspci says it is a 500, but I read somewhere that it is mislabeling it
11:16<sney>man it has been so long since I've dealt with this
11:16<bananafish>yeah it is an older rig, but I really wanted to mess around with it with a GUI and not just a headless box
11:17<sney>,pciid 3d3d:07a2
11:17<judd>[3d3d:07a2] is 'Sun XVR-500 Graphics Accelerator' from '3DLabs' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=3d3d:07a2
11:18<bananafish>damn, so I am out of luck?
11:18<pparadis>it's utter blasphemy to say here, i know, but given what i kind find with all sorts of nutty trouble with debian on that box (at least with X), you might consider installing solaris 11 ;)
11:18<bananafish>openBSD has a driver for it but I guess not linux
11:18<bananafish>yeah Im looking for an iso for that
11:18<sney>well, vesa is still an option. and I distantly remember something about a hack to use fbdev
11:18<pparadis>bananafish: bam --> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/downloads/index.html
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11:19<Calinou>pparadis, SOLARIS? you serious?
11:19<bananafish>thanks
11:19<Calinou>who uses that?
11:19<pparadis>Calinou: um, the guy with the sparc.
11:19<Calinou>oh
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11:20<bananafish>I just thought there would be a way to get this to work. Is sunffb not for my card? How bad would vesa bee
11:20<pparadis>depends on your definition of bad :)
11:20<bananafish>ha ok, would it be actually useable?
11:21<pparadis>might be worth trying to get that going just to see first, and if you hate it you can always chuck solaris on the box anyhow :)
11:21<sney>vesa is probably what you're using now, with the fuzz
11:21<pparadis>good point
11:21<bananafish>hmm yeah
11:21<sney>sunffb is for the old proprietary elite3d etc boards, iirc
11:22<bananafish>oh ok
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11:23<sney>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584429 hrm, isn't Hutchings saying that the modules would be included in squeeze?
11:23<sney>anyway it looks like you could build your own kernel for it
11:25<sney>bananafish, what's the output of: grep CONFIG_FB_XVR500 /boot/config-`uname -r`
11:25<scientes>where do i ask for new debtags?
11:25<bananafish>one sec
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11:25<abrotman>scientes: they have a website
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11:27<bananafish>CONFIG_FB_XVR500 =y
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11:27<sney>ah, it's not a module, it's built in!
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11:28<bananafish>is that good? lol
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11:30<sney>I'm not sure. can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
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11:30<sney>I'm looking for part of it before that
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11:31<sney>you can use pastebinit to paste from a command line
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11:31<bananafish>one sec
11:33<angela_>hi when i do /etc/ircd-hybrid/ircd.conf the access to the conf file failed to denaied
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11:33<angela_>no access iment
11:34<pparadis>angela_: what is your native language?
11:34<abrotman>iment?
11:34<angela_>duchs
11:34<abrotman>!nl
11:34<dpkg>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
11:36<bananafish>Ill be back, thanks for the help. Ill return with the pastebin stuff
11:37<sney>ok
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11:37<sney>pparadis, or whoever will still be here when bananafish gets back - he's either using vesa or fbdev automatically, and whichever one it is, we want to try the other one.
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11:39<scientes>wow lots of packages need tagging work
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12:39<bananafish>hey I'm back and finally got on the sparc machine again, so X is running, but all I can see is a fuzzy cursor. And I dont have any log from xserver
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12:44<abrotman>a fuzzy cursor ?
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13:03<bananafish>yeah its like some glitch with the XVR-500 I have
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13:03<bananafish>can't figure out how to switch to vesa mode
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13:05<abrotman>bananafish: are you using fbdev or vesa now ?
13:05<AlexLikeRock>hi guys :)
13:05<AlexLikeRock>good mornig :)
13:06<bananafish>how do I tell?
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13:06<abrotman>bananafish: look in your Xorg log
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13:11<bananafish>i couldn't find it in the log, but here it is http://paste.debian.net/178179
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13:11<bananafish>here is my log, I must be blind I couldnt see it, paste.debian.net/
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13:12*abrotman looks
13:12<bananafish>here is the paste, not sure if this is going through. http://paste.debian.net/178179
13:12<abrotman>i see it
13:12<bananafish>of my X log
13:12<bananafish>ok
13:13<abrotman>bananafish: you're using fbdev .. so do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
13:13<bananafish>I do not
13:13<abrotman>time to create one!
13:13<bananafish>oh boy
13:14<bananafish>lol
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13:14<abrotman>bananafish: Xorg --configure > /tmp/xorg.conf.new
13:15<abrotman>bananafish: then paste that at paste.debian.net
13:15<bananafish>it said it did not recognize --configure
13:16<SynrG>that's because it's -configure
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13:17<bananafish>oh ok, now one more thing how can I kill the X session that is already running with the fdev driver
13:17<bananafish>I tried to kill it but it keeps coming back
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13:17<SynrG>bananafish: being autostarted by gdm?
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13:17<SynrG>/etc/init.d/gdm3 stop
13:18<abrotman>oh, sorry, yes .. only one -
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13:19<bananafish>alright new paste, paste.debian.net/178/180
13:19<bananafish>alright new paste, paste.debian.net/178180
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13:22<bananafish>when I ran it said no devices to configure..
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13:26<bananafish>anyone?
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13:26<s_i_m>bananafish, ask your question
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13:29<bananafish>basically how can I reconfigure X to use vesa instead of fdev
13:29<abrotman>bananafish: that's the output from Xorg -configure ?
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13:29<bananafish>oh I thought you needed the log?
13:29<bananafish>the out put from that is ..
13:29<s_i_m>bananafish, with edititing /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
13:30<abrotman>no, i want the /tmp/xorg.conf.new
13:30<bananafish>oh it is empty
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13:31<bananafish>the xorg.conf.new file is empty and the command errors saying now devices were found
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13:32<joseph>hey, is there how to download from magnet link using transmission torrent client?
13:32<SynrG>joseph: consult doc for your browser
13:32<s_i_m>bananafish, any framebuffer driver loaded in the kernel?
13:33<bananafish>yes
13:33<s_i_m>bananafish, and what is your video card?
13:33<bananafish>grep CONFIG_FB_XVR500 =y
13:33<grandie>don't wish to start a flame war, but is there a good cli irc program?
13:33<bananafish>it is an XVR-600 or XVR-500
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13:33<bananafish>lspci calls it a 500 but I heard that it was reporting it incorrectly
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13:34<dondelelcaro>grandie: irssi
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13:35<bananafish>this is a SunBlade 1500 sparc station I am working on btw
13:36<s_i_m>oh, rare hardware =)
13:36<bananafish>oh yeah? this my first Sparc machine and just would love to get Debian with a GUI on it
13:36<SynrG>bah, joseph left just as i found a link for him :/
13:37<SynrG>https://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/MagnetLinks
13:37<scientes>magnet links will not work with firefox downloaded from mozillas website due to a bug
13:37<grandie>dondelelcaro: thanks, already checking it out on the web.
13:37<scientes>only iceweasel from debian and moilla.debian.net
13:38<SynrG>scientes: even using this recipe, which involves a custom launch script?
13:38<scientes>or if you compile yourself
13:38<sney_>I would think you could use vesa just with an xorg.conf.d snippet
13:38<s_i_m>bananafish, how about graphics on console? does it work?
13:38<SynrG>hmm
13:38<scientes>SynrG, correct
13:38<SynrG>scientes: good to know. thanks
13:38<scientes>SynrG, all external scheme handling is broken with ftp.m.o downloads
13:38<scientes>cause of libnotify issues
13:38<sney_>s_i_m: a quirk of sun hardware: if graphics didn't work on console, he wouldn't even see boot messages
13:38<bananafish>yes it works great, I am on it now with irssi
13:39<s_i_m>sney_, i see.
13:39<SynrG>scientes: iceweasel in squeeze is also subject to this issue?
13:39<SynrG>i don't recall having bumped into the issue
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13:40<SynrG>but then again, i probably did switch to mozilla.d.n ... checking ...
13:40<SynrG>yeah, i'm on esr
13:40<sney_>he said iceweasel wasn't affected
13:40<SynrG>oh, debian *and*
13:40<sney_>3.x is deprecated now anyway
13:40<SynrG>i only read the mozilla.d.n part
13:41<bananafish>so what am I to do :[
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13:42<s_i_m>bananafish, I most likely skipped a part of discussion: does your X work at at all?
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13:42<sney_>bananafish: try this -> echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "vesa"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf
13:42<s_i_m>bananafish, I understood you want to change a driver, but why?
13:43<sney_>s_i_m: his framebuffer has blur and artifacts while trying to run an X display
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13:44<s_i_m>sney_, okay
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13:44<bananafish>sorry yeah X launches but it is unusable
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13:47<bananafish>fdev is unusable so I wanted to try vesa before giving up on this thing
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13:47<bananafish>trying what sney suggested now
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13:48<SynrG>grandie: another vote for irssi. but of course 'good' is in the eye of the beholder. some people apparently like other ones (as unfathomable as that may seem to me :)
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13:50<bananafish>it is saying Ihave no such file
13:50<SynrG>grandie: weechat is the other one i often hear recommendations for
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13:52<grandie>SynrG: thanks, i'm going over the irssi information now as i'm setting up strickly a cli debian machine.
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14:13<rihen>hello guys :)
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14:13<rihen>beginner using IRC first time
14:14<abrotman>hello
14:15<rihen>hey abrotman
14:15<rihen>i hav one query
14:15<abrotman>okay
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14:15<rihen>m a beginner in python programming
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14:16<rihen>i installed python 3.2 along with idle
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14:17<rihen>when i upload my distribution to pypi it says file compression error
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14:17<rihen>zlib file missing
14:17<sney_>rihen: what debian version
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14:17<rihen>12.04
14:17<sney_>!ubuntuirc rihen
14:17<dpkg>rihen: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
14:18<rihen>hey thank you
14:19<rihen>sney_dpkg
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14:46<Airwave>Hey. The clock on my Debian server seems to drift a lot; just from yesterday to today by 15 minutes.
14:46<Airwave>I have NTP set up. How do I set it to update more often?
14:46<Airwave>Cron?
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14:49<weasel>if your system drifts that much, then ntp can't help you
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14:51<Airwave>Can't I just set up cron to update every ~15 minutes?
14:51<Airwave>Update the clock with NTP, that is.
14:51<weasel>then your clock jumps a lot. that's horrible.
14:52<weasel>you should figure out why your computer is so broken in the first place, and fix that
14:52<Airwave>I synced it 12 minutes ago, and it's already 6 seconds off.
14:53<abrotman>Airwave: what's in your drift file ?
14:53<Airwave>abrotman: -14.599
14:54<abrotman>if you correct the time again, and set the drift to 0 .. does it keep closer?
14:55<Airwave>What do you mean by "set the drift to 0"? Change the drift file to contain "0"?
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14:57<abrotman>yes
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14:58<Airwave>Ok, done. What now, just wait and see how it turns out?
14:58<abrotman>sure
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14:59<Airwave>Ok.
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15:02<Airwave>abrotman: Already it's drifted by 3 seconds.
15:03<Airwave>s/it's/it has/
15:03<abrotman>is this a VM ?
15:03<Airwave>No.
15:03<sney_>is the hwclock drifting too?
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15:05<Airwave>sney_: I'll check
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15:06<Airwave>Of course, I'll have to wait ~10 minutes to see.
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15:08<sney_>Airwave: why 10 minutes?
15:08<Airwave>To give it some time to drift.
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15:11<Airwave>sney_: The hwclock doesn't appear to be drifting.
15:11<Sicelo>yay! first time i see so much drifk
15:11<Airwave>Of course, I've only waited like 6 minutes after setting it.
15:12<gnugr>both clocks must be synchronized
15:12<sney_>Airwave: well, I guess you could run hwclock --hctosys every 60 seconds, but that's not really a fix. I wonder what's up with your system clock
15:13<Airwave>Yeah.
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15:16<Airwave>Maybe I should change the time source.
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15:17<Airwave>clocksource*
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15:17<s_i_m>Airwave, check dmesg output after a reboot to see which choices you have
15:17<Airwave>available_clocksource: tsc hpet acpi_pm
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15:18<Airwave>current_clocksource: tsc
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15:18<Airwave>s_i_m: /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/
15:18<s_i_m>or there
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15:19<s_i_m>I experienced a huge drift with tsc on some nforce2 hardware in the past
15:19<Airwave>Say I want to change the clocksource to hpet. Can I just "echo hpet > /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource", or do I need to set the GRUB option and reboot?
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15:21<fralle>is it possible to change LoginWindow position of gdm3?
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15:22<s_i_m>Airwave, yes, I think it should work like this
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15:22<Airwave>s_i_m: Ok, I changed it. Let's see how it works out.
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15:27<Airwave>simonlnu: sney_: abrotman: The effects of changing clocksource to hpet seems to have been positive. It hasn't drifted at all yet.
15:29<groucho>I've recently installed Squeeze (I tried wheezy but it was too buggy and couldn't even go past installing the base system in Debian Installer).
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15:30<groucho>I did a very default installation with Gnome as desktop environment
15:30<simonlnu>why are highlighting me?
15:30<simonlnu>are you
15:30<Airwave>Oh, I'm sorry.
15:31<Airwave>That was meant to be for s_i_m.
15:31<Airwave>Stupid tab-completion.
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15:31<s_i_m>!beer simonlnu
15:31*dpkg pulls out a fine Piraat for simonlnu
15:32<groucho>I've got both Synaptic and Software Center, which I consider redundant. So I tried no remove Synaptic but due to contrived dependancies, aptitude also wanted to remove Software Center
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15:33<groucho>should I file a but againts general, gnome, software-center os synaptic to raise my concern that a default installation ends with 2 very similar tools for the same task?
15:33<sney_>groucho: if you run aptitude unmarkauto on certain strategic packages, you can keep it from automatically removing something it thinks is no longer needed
15:33<groucho>s/os/or/
15:33<simonlnu>oh, np
15:33<sney_>aptitude just tries to be overly clever sometimes... it's not really a bug
15:34<groucho>sney_ I know, and I did it. That's not the problem I encountered.The problem is that a default installation pulls both tools which is IMHO redundant
15:34<simonlnu>s_i_m: i don't drink, but thank you for the consideration :)
15:35<sney_>well, you can file that bug if you want, but debian 7 is going to be the new stable release relatively soon, so unless the problem also exists in wheezy I doubt there'll be much activity on it
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15:36<groucho>sney_: I understand that. I wish I could install Wheezy just to be sure the bug is there
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15:36<sney_>you could upgrade.
15:36<sney_>dpkg: squeeze->wheezy
15:36<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
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15:37<s_i_m>groucho, I do not use gnome, but I suppose that if you disable installing the "recommends" in aptitude, that can change the behavior.
15:37<sney_>synaptic is actually a suggests, not a recommends
15:38<s_i_m>than it is installed by the task
15:38<s_i_m>then*
15:39<s_i_m>anyway, gnome must die. the sooner, the better ;)
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15:40<groucho>sney_: I already tried that, and found many bugs including kernel ooops, so I think I will wait until the freeze goes on for a little before trying again
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15:41<rihen>hey
15:41<groucho>s_i_m, from what I recall from last night when I solved this, synaptic was pulled in by a chain of Depends: relationships from software-center
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15:42<s_i_m>groucho, let me check by myself
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15:43<groucho>I removed both software-center and synaptics.... I've used apt-get and then aptitute for 12 years now
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15:44<groucho>s_i_m, gnome must die? I'm a very recent convert from KDE. What are the flaws of gnome you think justify its demisal?
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15:46<sney_>a lot of people are upset at the changes from gnome 2 to gnome 3
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15:46<groucho>s_i_m, sney_: ok, the reason for a default install pulling both synaptics and software-center is that software-center depends on software-properties-gtk which recommends synaptics
15:47<s_i_m>groucho, so it is "recommends" in the end
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15:47<groucho>I think gnome people with all their stress in not confusing the user with too many options in the GUI are not very happy with a default install having 2 tools for the same porpouse
15:48<groucho>s_i_m, indeed, you were right
15:48<sney_>I haven't looked at the gui package management tools much in my wheezy/gnome3 install, but I think there's just the one tool this time around
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15:49<groucho>sney_: yeah... I think I will join the whinning againt gnome 3 as soon as I upgrade to Wheezy
15:49<abrotman>aptitude-gtk ?
15:49<sney_>it's too bad what happened to cinnamon.
15:49<s_i_m>groucho, yes, on my system with disabled recommends and no synaptic this returns nothing: apt-get -s install software-center | grep synaptic
15:49<abrotman>sney_: ?
15:50<nickdaly>groucho: just use stumpwm. no annoying gui at all! :)
15:50<sney_>abrotman: someone filed an rfp, a DM filed their itp, then it sat for a month or two. the original rfp reporter asked for an update and the DM was like "oh I'm not going to package this, it's too much work"
15:51<abrotman>oh .. that happens
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15:51<abrotman>sney_: the bug has a request http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657395#79
15:51<sney_>basically no chance of making it into wheezy at this point is all
15:51<sney_>oh that's new
15:51<abrotman>right ...
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15:52<s_i_m>groucho, about KDE: I do not use it either.
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15:53<abrotman>sney_: still not sure it'd make it in ..
15:53<abrotman>not sure if a new package can still pass into wheezy or if it's completely impossible
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15:54<sney_>I would go with "highly unlikely" but wheezy-backports would be an easy fix for that
15:54<abrotman>i suppose
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15:56<s_i_m>ah, cinnamon.
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15:57<groucho>s_i_m, one of my favourite spices
15:58<s_i_m>:)
15:58<groucho>is it in wheezy?
15:58<s_i_m>no.
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16:00<s_i_m>but it is being packaged. you can find the package here http://mentors.debian.net/package/cinnamon
16:01<s_i_m>or better see the related thread on debian-mentors mailing list
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16:02<canaima>hola
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16:03<canaima>hola
16:03<groucho>canaima, hola.
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16:03<groucho>este canal es en inglés creo
16:03<canaima>no
16:03<canaima>es español
16:03<canaima>yaba ya vengo
16:04<canaima>ya
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16:04<canaima>hola ya vine
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16:05<jhojan>hola alguien me puede decir como ago para descubrir mi contraseña
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16:06<sney_>!es
16:06<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:06<groucho>che, en serio.. este canal es en inglés. vayamos a #es-debian y te explico
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16:07<groucho>#debian-es
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16:08<canaima>porfa digame
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16:08<groucho>just type /join #debian-es
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16:08<jojhan>ya entre en ese canal y nadie conectado
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16:11<jojhan>hola
16:11<jojhan>alguien
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16:14<groucho>jojhan, te estoy hablando en #debian-es... por favor preguntá allá
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16:21<johnlnx>!list
16:21<dpkg>johnlnx: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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16:23<pixelRGB>hello
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16:24<sney_>hi
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16:25<pixelRGB>i'm having trouble finding a package mentioned in bug fix #613694
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16:26<sney_>which, qc-usb-source?
16:26<pixelRGB>yes, 0.6.6.8
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16:28<pixelRGB>i'm running 2.6.32-5-amd64 and ran into that issue
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16:29<sney_>http://packages.qa.debian.org/q/qc-usb.html looks like it's gone
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16:29<sney_>you could probably find it in snapshot though.
16:29<sney_>!snapshot
16:29<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
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16:30<Blumpy>Has anyone got openvpn to work on pinguy 11.04?
16:31<sney_>!pinguy
16:31<dpkg>PinguyOS is a GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.pinguyos.com/ #pinguyos on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
16:31<Blumpy>oh, thanks :)
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16:33<pixelRGB>hmm, but qc-usb-source still exists, any idea why it was never updated?
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16:34<sney_>pixelRGB: it says it was removed mostly for being unmaintained and/or obsolete
16:35<sney_>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676965
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16:35<jojhan>quien hable epañol venga a este canal #hola
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16:36<sney_>jojhan: you have two choices. speak english here, or speak spanish in #debian-es
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16:40<diederik>Hi, I've configured dnsmasq on my server (which is in my LAN) to use as my dns 'server' for my LAN and it's working great for the clients.
16:40<groucho>sney_ he claims to be 12 years old
16:41<abrotman>and?
16:41<diederik>But when I do dig <nameinmylan> on my server, it goes out into the internet to find it, which it doesn't find (of course)
16:42<diederik>why isn't my server using it's own dns server (=dnsmasq)?
16:43<diederik>my dnsmasq.conf: http://paste.debian.net/178213/ (192.168.1.5 is the static ip address of my server)
16:43<groucho>diederik, what is the content of your server's /etc/resolv.conf?
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16:44<diederik>http://paste.debian.net/178213/
16:45<diederik>even for it's own name it tries to find it on the internet, ie 'dig <servername>'
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16:47<groucho>diederik, dig servername localhost looks up in the Internet
16:47<groucho>?
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16:48<diederik>my servername is cknowsvr01. When I'm on my server and do 'dig cknowsvr01' it tries to find it on the internet, instead of returning 127.0.0.1 or 192.168.1.5 (it's own static ip address)
16:49<diederik>my /etc/network/interfaces: http://paste.debian.net/178214/
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16:50<diederik> /etc/resolv.conf : http://paste.debian.net/178215/
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16:54<diederik>should I add 'nameserver 192.168.1.5' to /etc/resolv.conf ?
16:55<groucho>first of all, dig searches through dns always, bypassing /etc/hosts
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16:55<groucho>dig is not the proper test for how your resolver would perform
16:55<pixelRGB>unfortunately that newer package didn't solve the issue. I installed linux-source-2.6.32 and then tried to run make oldconfig and make prepare as the error message suggested, but no luck
16:56<groucho>dig just asks a dns server you specify in the command line
16:56<groucho>or the dns server you have in resolv.conf if you do not provide one
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16:57<groucho>so, put your own's server ip address in resolv.conf first
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16:57<diederik>ok, but why is dnsmasq not used to resolve it then?
16:57<diederik>ok, doing that now
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16:58<groucho>because the resolver in your server is not configured to use the dns server that is installed in that very same machine
16:58<diederik>groucho: thank you! That fixed it.
16:58<groucho>you are welcome
16:58<pixelRGB>are there any other packages aside from linux-headers and linux-sources I should install so that I can compile a module?
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17:00<dvs>pixelRGB: You don't need linux-source to compile a module
17:00<pixelRGB>this is the error I get when I do a make: http://paste.debian.net/178216
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17:03<groucho>the headers are enough, no need for the full sources
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17:04<pixelRGB>any idea why the header's makefile is looking for two files that aren't there?
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17:11<groucho>probably it is a module for other version of the kernel
17:12<sney_>pixelRGB: that package was taken out because they couldn't build it against the squeeze kernel
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17:12<sney_>that's what the bug report said. it was unmaintained, so it became obsolete as the kernel was updated.
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17:14<jojhan>hola
17:14<diederik>what's the role/use of dns-nameservers (in /etc/network/interfaces) on a machine with a static ip address?
17:14<jojhan>hola
17:14<jojhan>ghuacho
17:15<jojhan>#debian-es
17:15<sney_>diederik: it likely sets resolv.conf since a machine with static ip does not get that info from dhcp
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17:16<diederik>sney_: it looks like resolv.conf is then 'static' too. I changed the value in /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted, but /etc/resolv.conf had the 'old' values
17:16<jojhan>groucho
17:17<diederik>only after changing /etc/resolv.conf local names were resolved properly
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17:18<groucho>never reboot
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17:19<abrotman>jojhan: we've told you a few times, English in this channel, or go to #debian-es to speak spanish
17:19<sney_>diederik: were you able to reproduce that behaviour with ifdown/ifup (not rebooting)?
17:19<groucho>abrotman, just kick him
17:20<diederik>sney_: when only changing /etc/network/interfaces?
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17:20<abrotman>groucho: you do it
17:20<sney_>diederik: yes
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17:20<diederik>ok, starting another vm, just a sec
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17:21<groucho>I'm not an operator here
17:21<sney_>does your vm keep the same virtual nic hardware addresses across reboots? I've seen a couple that don't and that can cause issues with keeping network settings persistent
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17:22<diederik>I'm using virtualbox with bridged networking. I think it does, how can I check?
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17:23<sney_>one way is to see if there are a lot of new entries in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
17:23<sney_>I've seen virtualbox behave both ways. not sure what triggers it
17:23<diederik>no, just 1 entry
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17:23<sney_>ok
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17:25<sney_>so, check if you can propagate the dns changes to resolv.conf by running ifdown/ifup on the interface, if not that may be a bug, that suite is supposed to handle setting all the options in /etc/network/interfaces
17:25<diederik>ok, did ifdown/ifup and /etc/resolv.conf didn't change -> local names not resolved
17:26<groucho>diederik, do you have a static stanza in ifupdown's interfaces file?
17:26<diederik>sney_: with dhcp, it does, but apparently not with static ips
17:26<diederik>yes
17:26<groucho>diederik, a don't think a static stanza is supposed to set resolv.conf
17:27<diederik>groucho: that's what it looks like
17:27<groucho>s/a/I/
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17:27<groucho>but who cares? just set resolv.conf manually
17:27<diederik>therefor my question what dns-nameservers does on a machine with static ip
17:28<diederik>another (related) question: how to do ifdown/ifup when on ssh?
17:28<groucho>it just sits there wainting for dns clients to ask dns records
17:28<groucho>waiting*
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17:29<diederik>so if my server was also the dhcp server, it would get it from /etc/network/interfaces?
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17:30<groucho>diederik, your server should hve its ip configuration set statically, not by means of a dhcp server running in the same machine!
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17:31<groucho>I sincerely never tried to get a machine be its own dhcp server
17:31<diederik>groucho: yes for my server itself. But I meant if my server was the dhcp server for the rest of my lan (which it isn't)
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17:33<groucho>it it were, you should set dhcpd.conf in such a way that the response sent to dhcp clients in your network tells them to use your own server as a dns server
17:33<groucho>so, not from /etc/interfaces, but from dhcpd.conf
17:33<diederik>groucho: ok, thanks
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17:35<groucho>s/it it/if it/
17:35<groucho>new computer, new keyboard, sorry for the many typos
17:35<diederik>LOL, just checked 'man interfaces' and there is no dns-nameservers option
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17:36<diederik>I don't know how I came up with it ...
17:36<groucho>that settles it I guess
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17:37<diederik>indeed. Just one remaining: how to do ifdown/ifup when connected via ssh?
17:37<diederik>I was able to do ifup since it's a vm running on my machine (so I logged in directly into the vm)
17:38<diederik>but my ssh-client was basically hanging after ifdown
17:38<kmshanah>diederik: try printf 'ifdown; sleep 1; ifup' | at now
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17:40<kmshanah>diederik: btw, 'man resolvconf' for that dns-nameservers setting in /etc/network/interfaces
17:40<diederik>kmshanah: I am still logged in to my machine, so it looks like it worked.
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17:56<diederik>kmshanah: you're right. I found it on http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration, but didn't read properly (and thought you made a typo). It's talking about the resolvconf program, which I don't have. So I mixed up info about resolvconf with /etc/resolv.conf
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18:01<saulotoledo>I have an empty LDAP installation and a full exported LDIF file. How can I restore the LDIF in my new openldap server?
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18:01<saulotoledo>ldapadd returns me "ldap_add: Already exists (68)"
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18:19<pixelRGB>ok, thanks sney_, dvs, groucho
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18:19<Helpneeded>Hey
18:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 502] by debhelper
18:20<Helpneeded>I was here earlier today
18:20<Helpneeded>With my debian being fedora and so on problem
18:20<Helpneeded>Well I ran into a new one which really boils my nuts
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18:20<Helpneeded>I cant boot windows or debian now at all
18:20<Helpneeded>all I get is a grub partition error when booting after debian installation
18:20<kop>Helpneeded: Is your debian still fedora? If so you need to ask the fedora folks for help.
18:21<Helpneeded>Nope, its definitely debian
18:21<Helpneeded>6.05
18:21<Helpneeded>Just installed it and have to say it was a PITA with first having network problems and then with this grub stuff
18:21<kop>Helpneeded: Can you boot the install cd (or whatever) in rescue mode?
18:21<Helpneeded>I installed it from an USB stick
18:22<Helpneeded>So yeah I can boot into that and I have tried to install it several times again
18:22<Helpneeded>I think its a MBR (or grub?) problem
18:22<Helpneeded>I booted up with rescatux and I can see all my files etc but dont know how to fix it
18:23<groucho>does the grub menu show an entry for every operating system you want to boot?
18:23<Helpneeded>Nope
18:23<kop>Helpneeded: The installer should allow you to just install grub, without having to re-install everything. But if it didn't work the first time there's no reason to believe it will work the second time.
18:23<Helpneeded>Groucho it should, but it is just complaining about partition not found
18:23<Helpneeded>kop yeah I tried it 3 times and tried to install grub too
18:23<Helpneeded>When I do try to install grub it just says fatal error and thats it
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18:25<Helpneeded>So any ideas what my next step should be_
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18:26<devil>Helpneeded: you should install grub to the right partition
18:27<kop>Helpneeded: You're saying that grub won't install, or that it installs but when you boot it gives you an error?
18:29<Helpneeded>It has been installed
18:29<Helpneeded>And to the right partition
18:30<Helpneeded>I presume it has something to do with the fact I deleted fedora then installed debian
18:30<Helpneeded>but now if I try to reinstall it
18:30<Helpneeded>It comes up as a @fatal error@
18:30<Helpneeded>Its also in the same partition as my MBR was
18:30<groucho>Helpneeded, why would it complain about not finding a partition before displaying the menu?
18:30<Helpneeded>That\s after debian installation
18:30<Helpneeded>It just says that
18:31<Helpneeded>and I get a grub recovery command prompt
18:31<Helpneeded>I get no menu at all
18:31<Helpneeded>I cant boot into windows nor debian at the moment
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18:31<Helpneeded>Im using a live rescatux USB stick to be able to talk to you
18:31<groucho>so, it can't access de /boot/grub.conf file from where it builds the menu
18:31<Helpneeded>I believe so
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18:32<Helpneeded>But Im a total linux newbie so cant say for sure and dont really know what to do
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18:32<groucho>do you have one of those new partition tables?
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18:32<Helpneeded>hmm
18:32<Helpneeded>New partition tables_
18:33<groucho>GGPT
18:33<groucho>GPT
18:33<Helpneeded>I think so I have 3x 2 terabyte HDDs so I believe thats required for them on windows ?
18:33<Helpneeded>and sorry about the typos Im on an US layout keyboard so dont know where the proper citation marks and such are
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18:33<groucho>or the traditional MBR-type?
18:34<groucho>2 TB is the limit for MBR
18:34<Helpneeded>Can't say for sure
18:34<Helpneeded>Could be MBR then
18:34<diederik>Helpneeded: Windows 7?
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18:34<Helpneeded>Yeah
18:34<Helpneeded>Win 7
18:35<diederik>then it's likely that you do have GPT
18:35<rocky>hello Folks
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18:36<Helpneeded>Aye, so what's the next step?
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18:36<groucho>does Squeeze's grub support installing on a GPT partition?
18:36<youlysses>So what's the deal with debian trying to get on the fsf's distro list?
18:36<abrotman>why do you keep asking that?
18:37<diederik>groucho: I _think_ so, but trying to find 'proof'
18:37<youlysses>abrotman: ...Have I?
18:37<abrotman>i told you two days ago to go read mailing lists which probably discuss this
18:37<youlysses>Really...?
18:37<abrotman>23:22 < youlysses > Is Debian really looking to make it onto the FSF's free distro list?
18:37<Helpneeded>I had fedora previously installed perfectly fine next to WIN 7 if that helps with the grub part?
18:37<dondelelcaro>youlysses: youlysses http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2012/07/msg00016.html
18:37<rocky>recently i installed debian in vm, when i use sudo command, i get error message, rocky is not in the sudoers file, do i have add the name there or just user root terminal, I recall not getting any such error message in the ubuntu
18:37<youlysses>Woah. :-L
18:38<groucho>it depends on what version of grub your fedora had
18:38<diederik>Helpneeded: http://www.shuvoovuhs.com/linux/grub-installation-issue-with-2-tb-hdd-gpt-requires-bios-boot-partition/
18:38<diederik>does that sound familiar?
18:38<Helpneeded>Groucho> I'm not sure, but it was the newest stable build of fedora
18:38<groucho>rocky, debian does not set up sudo by default as Ubuntu. Just use su instead of sudo
18:39<youlysses>I think I need to get my sleep schedule in order... Sorry for spam'n then guys. :-L
18:39<rocky>groucho, is sudo equivalent to su?
18:39<Helpneeded>Diederik nope that doesn;t sound familiar, I did not get those error messages
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18:39<youlysses>rocky: Su, you login to a the super user, sudo you just run as him for that command.
18:40<salamander>sudo make flash work....
18:40<rocky>youlysses, Ok how do i add my name to sudo if required or not all required, su is always sufficient
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18:41<youlysses>rocky: Add your name? You mean add your self to the "sudoers file"?
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18:41<salamander>use visudo
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18:42<Helpneeded>aww today;s not a nice day
18:42<Helpneeded>Dropped my contact on the floor too hah
18:42<youlysses>Like salamander said. I use nano though instead of vi, so I always "EDITOR=nano visudo"
18:42<youlysses>:-P
18:42<Helpneeded>Anyway I found a partition program that shows me where all my files etc drives are at and their names
18:42<Helpneeded>Can I use this to somehow manipulate the grub log ?
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18:43<youlysses>Helpneeded: Why not just use grub, to manipulate grub?
18:43<rocky>youlysses, yes
18:43<Helpneeded>youlysses I would if I could actually do it right now
18:44<Helpneeded>As I said I can only get to grub recovery
18:44<rocky>salamander, what is visudo- only meant for vi
18:44<abrotman>rocky: man visudo
18:44<diederik>Helpneeded: You could try it with a newer version of debian installer (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) and see if that helps, but it is just a guess
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18:45<canaima>hola
18:45<youlysses>rocky: Once you use visudo, go to were it says root, then put your user name, and the (ALL) ALL, as above.
18:45<diederik>Note also that such a newer installer will install testing/wheezy by default
18:45<rocky>abrotman, thanks
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18:45<rocky>youlysses, ok i will try
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18:45<youlysses>rocky: Once you see it, it's pretty easy to figure out. :-P
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18:46<Helpneeded>I wonder if I could just format my partitions I gave to linux and try to use rescatux to fix MBR? then try to reinstall debian for the 5th time
18:47<diederik>If you use GPT, you likely won't have a MBR ...
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18:47<Helpneeded>diederik checked, I have MBR
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18:52<youlysses>Crap, rain! BBl..
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18:52<rocky>Is there any command in debian, which can show me the list of packages i can install, for example I am trying to install apt-get install maven, it says package not found
18:52<diederik>Helpneeded: other then trying a newer installer (which also installs a newer GRUB), I don't know
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18:53<dvs>rocky: apt-cache search maven
18:53<Ysgrammor>rocky: apt-cache search
18:53<dvs>Ysgrammor: don't believe you! ;-P
18:53<rocky>dvs, thanks
18:53<rocky>Ysgrammor, thanks
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18:53<Ysgrammor>dvs: quicker on the draw than me :p
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18:57<jhutchins_lt>Ysgrammor: Blame it on netlag.
18:58<Helpneeded>Diederik, thanks for the help anyway. Ill try to figure something out
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19:00<diederik>Helpneeded: searching google with 'gpt guid debian installer' seems to give some usefull results
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19:04<rocky>when i type ls V (hit tab) tab completion works, but when i do su dpkg --install V (hit tab) tab completion doesn't works, any idea here?
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19:07<diederik>rocky: it looks like you're trying to use a sudo like command, but typed su instead ...
19:07<diederik>and why install using dpkg and not apt-get/aptitude?
19:08<rocky>diederik, sorry i typed here sudo (so used in Ubuntu), in fact i typed su in my terminal, it doesn't worked
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19:09<diederik>autocompletion also works differently with root (su) and a normal user. Don't know how to fix that though.
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19:10<rocky>diederik, I'm installing following package which is not available at other places, BTW I'm downloading this http://code.google.com/p/vmware-view-open-client/wiki/Installing
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19:12<rocky>diederik, woh tab completion works fine when using sudo
19:12<rocky>diederik, on using su tab completion dies
19:13<rocky>not sure if it is a bug
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19:14<diederik>as root I always (?) type command completely by hand, so maybe tab completion doesn't work as root and/or isn't configured as such
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21:16<rocky>hello
21:16<rocky>do debian remember the last brightness setting after reboot?
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21:23<OdyX>rocky: that's usually machine/BIOS-specific. But the desktop might very well. You should test.
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21:31<rocky>OdyX, at least I know it used to work in Ubuntu until Unity came it blew up, so wasn't sure about Debian
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22:16<abrotman>Hello
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22:24<jared>is anyone willing to help a newbie?
22:24<dondelelcaro>jared: best to just ask your question; hopefully someone will help.
22:24<jared>ok
22:24<scientes>SynrG, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750141
22:24<scientes>dpkg, tell jared about ask
22:26<jared>so I'm trying to install R statistical software, and I go to their site, I find a deb file. Then I go to software sources, add source. What do I do next? I read a couple different faqs but some of them say that something will pop up. This is only my second day using Ubuntu
22:27<dondelelcaro>jared: oh, ubuntu isn't really on topic here, but in this case, you want to actually install the r-base package
22:27<dondelelcaro>jared: the tutorials you're seeing are actually for the windows version of R; the unix version doesn't have a GUI like that
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22:28<jared>ah ok
22:29<jared>thanks though
22:29<dondelelcaro>jared: there's an #R channel on irc.freenode.net, though, where I (or others) can help you more, though
22:29<dondelelcaro>jared: irc://irc.freenode.net/R should go there, iirc.
22:30*dondelelcaro runs R on Debian, but there are people there who use Ubuntu
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22:42<salamander>what could be happening. I have just installed debian squeeze - added backports - install iceweasel 10.0.5 - install flashplugin-nonfree - about:plugins show libflashplayer.so and Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202.... but, when I try to play a flash video there is a black box instead of video
22:43<abrotman>salamander: ls -l /etc/alternatives/libflash.so ?
22:43<salamander>is there
22:44<abrotman>and points to?
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22:45<salamander>no, it is not there, there is a flash-mozilla.so that points to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
22:45<salamander>should I change the name of the simbolic link?
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22:46<salamander>abrotman, sorry, there is no libflash.so in /etc/alternatives/. There is a flash-mozilla.so that points to libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nofree
22:47<abrotman>ah .. sorry, yes ..
22:47<abrotman>that's correct
22:47<abrotman>salamander: and you've fully closed/restarted the browsre?
22:47<salamander>yes
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22:49<salamander>the browser recognize the plugin as it apears in about:plugins, and does not complain about not having a plugin when I try to play a flash video
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22:49<rafaschp>sometimes , if icedtea is installed, i have to disable the opensource flash for the other one to work
22:49<abrotman>he's using adobe flash
22:50<rafaschp>yes, if the applet is not installed, no conflict, if it is, there's conflict
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22:50<rafaschp>i did this last weak
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22:51<salamander>I dont have icedtea installed
22:51<salamander>opensource flash would be something like gnash??
22:51<rafaschp>that's the name
22:51<rafaschp>do you have it?
22:52<salamander>no
22:52<salamander>i installed it and then sudo aptitude purge gnash
22:53<rafaschp>how did you install your adobe flash again?
22:53<salamander>sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
22:53<rafaschp>you got the .deb from debian or adobe?
22:54<salamander>debian
22:54<rafaschp>oh, thats's not working for me too
22:54<abrotman>salamander: did you try running 'update-flashplugin --install' ?
22:54<rafaschp>you have to get the deb from adobe and install it manually
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22:55<rafaschp>adobe flash can't be distributed anymore by debian
22:55<salamander>is in contrib section
22:55<salamander>abrotman, I will try it now
22:55<rafaschp>evem from the contrib, i read in the news adobe pulled out the license
22:56<salamander>rafaschp, but I have just installed it
22:56<salamander>??
22:56<abrotman>rafaschp: no, you don't
22:56<abrotman>that's such rubbish
22:56<abrotman>judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree
22:56<judd>Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.5; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.5
22:56<abrotman>oh look!
22:56<rafaschp>sorry if i'm wrong
22:58<salamander>abrotman, the one that I have seems to be the lastes version
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23:04<rafaschp>found this: adobe requires registration to be able to redistribute flash-player https://www.adobe.com/products/players/flash-player-distribution.html
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23:06<abrotman>rafaschp: that wouldn't seem to apply here .. it's not a local network, and there are no ISOs that debian provides for contrib to be physical media
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23:08<rafaschp>exactly
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23:08<abrotman>...
23:09<rafaschp>there was some other conditions that allowed debian to distribute it, but that was revoked
23:09<rafaschp>i can't find it, though
23:09<salamander>rafaschp, there is an adobe flash plugin installed in my computer and I had it from debian repos
23:10<abrotman>rafaschp: i think you're talking about Java
23:10<rafaschp>found it: http://www.noobslab.com/2012/02/no-adobe-flash-on-linux-except-chrome.html
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23:10<abrotman>wow .. that's so not even close to what you were saying
23:10<abrotman>i mean .. that's just sad
23:10<rafaschp>sorry, i was wrong
23:11<abrotman>that article is saying that they won't *create* a plugin anymore .. they'll support the current one for some time, but future versions are for Chrome's plugin architecture
23:11<rafaschp>hum
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23:12<rafaschp>so, why the flash installed form debian doesn't work? and i have to pull it from adobe
23:13<pparadis>!tell rafaschp about adobe flash
23:13<salamander>could it be a simbolic link that does not have the proper name?
23:14<salamander>how do I find out where iceweasel is looking for plugins?
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23:55<salamander>I will install chromium-browser, maybe flash works there
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23:58<bones_was_here>you should consider using google chrome when you need flash, the old plugin is being dropped by adobe and the google chrome version is sandboxed which mitigates flash's many security issues
23:59<salamander>bones_was_here, thanx
23:59<salamander>should I add google repos then?
23:59<bones_was_here>the google repo is added automatically when you install their chrome deb package
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