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---Logopened Mon Jul 09 00:00:19 2012
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00:00<salamander>bones_was_here, thanx again
00:01<bones_was_here>much as i hate to recommend installing anything not from debian, the alternatives aren't really viable (other than just not using flash at all ofc)
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00:03<salamander>bones_was_here, Im trying to get flash to work for a week now. And I didnt want to use chrome either, but im tired, and my wife will kill me if I dont make this work today
00:04<CoachBombay>chrome is better than being dead.
00:04<bones_was_here>the google chrome v20 flash does thankfully 'just work'
00:07<salamander>downloaded
00:07<salamander>just dpkg -i now??
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00:08<rickyd33>can you install both 32bit and 64 bit libs on a 64 bit debian install?
00:08<pparadis>rickyd33: http://packages.debian.org/stable/ia32-libs
00:09<pparadis>rickyd33: also --> http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/
00:09<rickyd33>thanks
00:10<salamander>bones_was_here, installed ok but it does not open!!!!!
00:10<salamander>why!!!! why can't I use flash, why
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00:11<bones_was_here>salamander: that's not enough info
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00:12<salamander>bones_was_here, downloaded, dpkg -i "package", no complains ... now I click on chrome icon and does nothing, google-chrome on console and just nothing
00:13<CoachBombay>restart?
00:13<bones_was_here>hm ok, i can't explain that
00:13<bones_was_here>there's no output in console, it just dies immediately?
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00:15<salamander>bones_was_here, no output, just stays there as it is waiting for chtome to open, but nothing happen. Not even high cpu usage or something like that
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00:21<rickyd33>run which chrome for a full path, then file /path/chrome show output
00:22<rickyd33>pastebin not on screen
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00:22<salamander>ok
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00:30<bones_was_here>i did see google chrome (probably about v10ish) hang like that on os x once, it had a corrupt user profile
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00:36<salamander>solved
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00:37<salamander>dpkg -i package.deb just added the repositories and created the icon. aptitude reinstall google-chrome-stable did the thing
00:37<dpkg>package package.deb just added the repositories and created the icon. aptitude reinstall google-chrome-stable did the thing is already installed
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00:46<bones_was_here>ahhh so "installed ok" meant "installed but with errors about missing deps" :p
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01:41<gabe_>Yo
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02:48<kikinovak>Hi. I'd like to know if Wheezy is officially "frozen". Where do I get this information?
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02:58<XReaper>if they were here i would have said 'GOOGLE'
02:58<XReaper>or to /topic
02:58<XReaper>:/
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03:42<ukleinek>has somebody an idea on http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/07/msg00045.html ?
03:42<ukleinek>I get this error from time to time by apticron, but a traceroute directly after the failing run completes.
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03:47<ukleinek>my cron job runs (even after a reboot) at 06:26 AM (CEST), maybe all the others do, too and the server is just too busy?
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03:49<JimN>hi how can i install oracle jdk 1.7 on debian 6.0
03:50<latour>could someone please explain how to center the taskbar like it was originally?
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03:52<devil>and the DE is?
03:53<devil>JimN: maybe you want to look into http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage
03:54<JimN>thanks, I've been googling around and JavaPackage came up somewhere. I'm not a linux user so I don't know exactly how to get that. I tried to apt-get install it but it's not available
03:54<devil>JimN: you need to read the wiki
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03:56<JimN>ok so it says I need to add contrib to my sources... I see contrib in the sources, but not for every set of lines. the first set is "squeeze main", the second set is "squeeze/updates main contrib", and the third set is "squeeze-updates main contrib".
03:56<JimN>so I should add contrib to the first set?
03:56<devil>JimN: you want it for main
03:56<Dr_O_>add contrib after main in 1st line then
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03:59<Dr_O_>Hmm... having said that you are using squeeze for which theere is no java package... you may be able to download the package from here and install with "dpkg -i *.deb" : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/java-package
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04:11<JimN>so I got make-jpkg installed (thanks). when I run it it says "No matching plugin was found." .. I think it's supposed to produce a .deb file, but I see nothing in the current directory.
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04:14<JimN>oh.. seems I have 32-bit kernel (I thought I installed 64-bit).. was trying to use 64-bit java.
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04:19<JimN>I downloaded the 32-bit java but it still doesn't work. same result: No matching plugin was found
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04:37<Dmitry>how to change resolution in tty?
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04:44<jm_>Dmitry: you can use vga= kernel option, or FB, KMS should also provide that
04:44<Dmitry>ok thx
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04:47<zipe>just wanna say hallo everyone
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05:05<mute>Anyone round? I've got some mime issues. Mime types keep getting set so that xdg-open defaults to gimp for pdfs. details here: http://paste.debian.net/178266/
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05:10<streuner>mute, /msg dpkg mime
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05:10<streuner>mute, the Debian wiki sounds interesting...
05:10<mute>streuner: Been through that. That's how I got to this point.
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05:20<nocturnal>anyone got experience with pam_ldap on debian 6? I have mod_ldap working fine for apache, but trying to translate the conf to another machine with pam_ldap is failing. see here if you have the time http://pastebin.com/imKwq4jR
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05:35<Dr_O__>JimN: well I have not used make-jpkg in this incarnation... and it is also targeted at wheezy not squeeze... you may find it has a "plugin" which is both java version and debian version sensitive... if so you may find that you can take the wheezy plugin and edit it to fit... but essentially sounds like it is not ready to "just work" on squeeze... you may need to dig a bit deeper and contact the developers (I guess via mailing list) to make progress..
05:35<Dr_O__> though they may not be all that keen on targeting squeeze.
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05:54<Calinou>"mailing list" < still used today?
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05:57<mute>Still having my issue. Can't figure out how to set this mimetype stuff.
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05:59<mute>I'll tell xdg-mime one thing, nothing happens to mimecache.info
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06:03<mute>Maybe it's a permissions thing.
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07:01<serieznyi>может мне кто-нибуть помочь с настройой wifi в debian?
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07:04<@Ganneff>!ru
07:05<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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07:49<SynrG>my father, a squeeze user, is attempting to set up deja-dup on a desktop system that has a static IP#, and is therefore configured to use ifupdown instead of NetworkManager. deja-dup claims there is no network connection, which I'm pretty sure is just NM saying it doesn't have one. short of removing NetworkManager (which causes complications for the gnome metapackages) is there a more elegant solution?
07:52<SynrG>things to consider: 1. teach NM to report there is a network connection even if it is delegated to ifupdown to establish one (probably the best solution) 2. teach deja-dup to figure out there is a network connection, even though NM says there isn't one (less preferred, would need something similar for all apps that do something similar) 3. teach NM to set up a static IP# (probably none of 1 through 3 will ever be solved for squeeze, but maybe ...
07:52<SynrG>... there is hope for wheezy?) 4. some other way to answer apps 'yes, we have a network connection' (on d-bus?) when using ifupdown
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07:55<nevyn>so 3 is easy
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07:59<SynrG>nevyn: the wiki page for NetworkManager claims /e/n/i should be used for static IP. if you know a better way, please update that page
07:59<SynrG>i am not a NM user, and have no systems with NM on squeeze to test against, so i could not advise him
08:00<SynrG>(well, not strictly true ... i could bring up a live squeeze system ...)
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08:02<SynrG>http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#FAQ
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08:03<Calinou>how can I make it so that I automatically log in when starting? I'm using xfce.
08:03<SynrG>nevyn: i am hesitant to file a bug on either NM or ifupdown about the (presumably dbus) correct communication of network "up" state as i fear the ensuing ping-ponging of the bug into oblivion :/
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08:04<SynrG>also, since i haven't spent any time yet on my father's system troubleshooting, i haven't yet collected enough data to file a good report
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08:06<SynrG>Calinou: the xfce-desktop task depends on gdm. do you use that? if so, just follow the gdm doc for setting up autologin
08:06<SynrG>Calinou: please beware of the security implications of autologin
08:06<Calinou>I used autologin since forever :P
08:06<Calinou>also I'm using testing, so I guess I'm using lightdm now, no?
08:06<Calinou>(I know this channel is about stable but #debian-next is... sometimes dead)
08:07<nevyn>/e/n/i ?
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08:07<SynrG>nevyn: /etc/network/interfaces ... sorry, it gets tedious to type longhand all the time, and so the devs (at least) abbreviate it this way
08:09<SynrG>Calinou: as for what testing uses with xfce4, i take your word for it. yes, #debian-next is more appropriate for your question. since i'm on both channels and check both with equal frequency, i'd have answered you there, and then we'd have the benefit of other testing/sid users' input (as well as not wasting time with misdirection of my efforts to solve it for squeeze). not a rebuke, really, just a gentle reminder why we separate the two :)
08:10<Calinou>k
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08:10<abrotman>ugh .. asking more than one channel
08:10<SynrG>Calinou: can you find nothing in lightdm doc about autologin?
08:10<abrotman>SynrG: he'
08:10<abrotman>SynrG: he's getting help on freenode
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08:13<grandie>asked on freenode about opinions on a small "light" desktop where i can use dual monitors, any ideas/
08:14<Calinou><abrotman> ugh .. asking more than one channel < more efficient, more answers :P
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08:14<abrotman>Calinou: it's considered extremely rude
08:15<SynrG>Calinou: sorry. *less* efficient, you tie up helpers in multiple places.
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08:15<abrotman>and get conflicting answers
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08:17<SynrG>grandie: afaik, it is not the desktop that cares about dual monitors, just Xorg itself.
08:17<SynrG>oops, and there he goes
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08:18<w0000t>does someone know how to fix tis http://pastebin.com/Ecc5xjxC ?
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08:20<SynrG>w0000t: please state clearly what it is you're trying to solve and not just paste a bunch of log messages. otherwise, we have no idea what problem you're actually trying to fix.
08:21<SynrG>i.e. what are you doing? what did you expect to happen? what happened instead?
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08:22<SynrG>once we've established that, the log messages may or may not help debug the actual end-user issue
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08:27<SynrG>grandie: afaik, it is not the desktop that cares about dual monitors, just Xorg itself.
08:27<SynrG>that being said, i've seen some WMs behave badly with two monitors
08:27<SynrG>I use LXDE (or sometimes just openbox by itself) and they seem to handle dual monitors fine
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08:28<SynrG>by "badly" i mean stuff like splitting a panel across two monitors, which is undesirable
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08:29<SynrG>if i were you, i'd not worry about it, as you can probably use 'xrandr' to control the layout regardless of what your chosen 'light' desktop supports.
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08:32<grandie>SynrG: ya, i kind of got that impression at Xorg yesterday, thanks now all i need is a good light weight desktop.
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08:33<mohammad>hi
08:34<grandie>SynrG: i'm wikipediaing xfce and lxde now to get a better handle on the situation,thanks.
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08:36<SynrG>grandie: of the two, lxde is arguably lighter (though "light" could mean many things ... but for my purposes, i just mean memory footprint and number of processes running by default)
08:37<SynrG>i think lxde as a project is guided by better design principles
08:38<SynrG>on the flip side, at the time of squeeze release, new versions of lxde packages had been released upstream but not yet added to squeeze. then it took a long while for people to have time to get them in shape for wheezy. but currently lots of progress is finally being made.
08:38<SynrG>to sum up: xfce is probably more solid/full featured in squeeze, but i would back lxde going forward.
08:39<engla>SynrG: pcmanfm is a nice program in general
08:39*SynrG nods
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08:39<SynrG>i like it better than both nautilus and thunar
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08:40<engla>it's really fast even on older laptops
08:40<SynrG>but there were some glaring faults in the version released with squeeze (not that i remember these clearly now. you'd have to do some excavation in the BTS to find out)
08:40<engla>well, pcmanfm crashes regularly
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08:41<engla>SynrG: and the version I'm using still has that annoying bug that will accept items dragged to themselves (only to show an error message after)
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08:43<SynrG>engla: ugh
08:43<SynrG>engla: mostly i didn't care, though, since i interact heavily with files through the commandline and rarely with a file manager.
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08:43<SynrG>so for a long time i was happy with lxde
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08:52<Noomorph>Hello! Could anybody tell me how packages are moved from unstable -> testing -> stable? What tool or web front end is used for that?
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08:54<stagiaire>clear
08:54<Calinou>Noomorph, debian's website explains it
08:54<SynrG>Noomorph: see http://www.debian.org/devel/testing
08:54<Calinou>or wiki
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08:55<grandie>SynrG: again thanks, was reading a lot of information about the both.
08:56<SynrG>Noomorph: are you needing to deploy something like that, or just interested for curiosity's sake?
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08:56<SynrG>or else, what particular problem are you trying to solve?
08:56<grandie>i'm running wheezy and might try to install both just to see how they both work compared to kde and gnome.
08:56<Calinou>"since i interact heavily with files through the commandline and rarely with a file manager."
08:56<Calinou>SynrG, I find graphical file managers more convenient and... more safe to use
08:56<Calinou>less risk if you want to delete files around
08:57<Calinou>or rename/etc
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08:57<SynrG>!safe-rm
08:57<dpkg>i guess safe-rm is a configurable rm wrapper, intended to prevent the accidental deletion of important files and directories. Packaged for Debian since Lenny. http://code.google.com/p/safe-rm/
08:58<Calinou>not talking about this; if you want to remove some files rapidly, if you use too much wildcards > oops
08:58<SynrG>Calinou: anyway, it's a matter of personal taste, and not something i try to inflict on others. i'm just saying that if pcmanfm has serious problems, i've mostly not noticed them, so i am not that qualified to warn of the risks/shortcomings of using pcmanfm in squeeze.
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08:59<SynrG>if we want to get into a gui vs cmdline war, #debian-offtopic (or /dev/null :)
08:59<Calinou>lol
08:59<Calinou>/dev/urandom instead
09:00<gruetzkopf>hi
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09:00<gruetzkopf>any hints on how to get a m68K GCC?
09:00<gruetzkopf>on squeeze
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09:00<nevyn>apt-get install gcc on a m68k box ;-P
09:01<gruetzkopf>on amd64, i386 or SPARC (bt that sparc is on etch)
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09:01<gruetzkopf>im building a m68k box :P
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09:02<gruetzkopf>based on Motorola DragonBall MC68EZ328
09:02<nevyn>http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers
09:02<grandie>SynrG: you see any porblems i might face installing both xfce and lxde
09:03<nevyn>gruetzkopf: there's directions for installing them from embedian on that page
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09:04<SynrG>grandie: i can't comment, having not done it myself. but generally installing multiple desktops at once should work. one *dm will want to assert itself as the one you use. you'll need to manually reconfigure that if you want it to match the recommended one for the desktop ...
09:04<nevyn>gruetzkopf: emdebian even
09:04<nevyn>!emdebian
09:04<dpkg>Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net.
09:04<SynrG>grandie: or you can just leave it as-is, as in theory, any *dm should work with any desktop session
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09:06<grandie>SynrG: great than i'll give them both a try, thanks, later.
09:07<Flakk>helo people - no sound comes out of my debian desk 2.6.32-5-686 - any help?
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09:08<melmothX>Flakk: check if the soundcard is supported by the kernel, check with alsamixer if the channels are unmuted
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09:12<Flakk><melmothX> alsamixer is a simpler check - i have headphines at 00 it seems that it iis ON but no way to make the column higher
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09:15<Calinou>Noomorph, don't use PM for this, only use PMs for annoying people
09:15<Calinou>erm, to annoy
09:16<Flakk>how could i check the compatbility?
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09:18<bluenemo>hi guys, i'm trying to get the monit web interface running but i cant get it to work :( i got it via apt. is there anything required besides the set httpd port 1234 and; use localhost; allow 0.0.0.0; allow foo:bar in the /etc/monit/monitrc file? sorry for asking here, monit doesnt seem to have an irc channel
09:19<Calinou>I edited my /etc/apt/sources.list to add contrib/non-free, but I get a lot of "ignored" warnings
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09:20<Calinou>http://paste.debian.net/178297/
09:20<Calinou>what did I do wrong?
09:21<nevyn>I don't think there are security updates for contrib and non-free ?
09:21<SynrG>show the actual warnings. probably you specified archive areas that don't exist for security
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09:21<SynrG>the warnings should tell you exactly that.
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09:23<Calinou>http://paste.debian.net/178299/
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09:23<Calinou>as you can see; lots of ignores
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09:24<nevyn>yeah for translations
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09:25<Calinou>so, is it just fine to have that much ignores?
09:25<Calinou>why so much checks for translations, too? I only need french
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09:28<SynrG>Calinou: see apt.conf man page, Acquire::Languages
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09:30<Calinou>nevyn, there seems to be
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09:39<bluenemo>can anyone please paste me an example config of the httpd server block in /etc/monit/monitrc? i just cant seem to get it running on my server (not localhost..)
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09:43<nightuser>hello! i have a question about dotdeb.org: is it possible to install only php5 from dotdeb's repository and other packages such as mysql and nginx from official debian repo?
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09:47<AgentC>Hi people!
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09:48<AgentC>I made a fresh install now, from wheezy :-) looks fine. also i stopped using root in X ;-)))) out of a reason my 3D-graphics are too slow. what could be the reason ? gnome3 and kde is ultra-slow (specially kde)
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09:52<nightuser>nvidia? intel? ati?
09:52<EmleyMoor>Other than Icedove, are there any good mail and news clients in Debian?
09:52<AgentC>intel 915G
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09:53<ansgar>EmleyMoor: emacs has several :)
09:54<nightuser>EmleyMoor: evolution?
09:54<EmleyMoor>I like Icedove but understand it's being phased out in favour of nothing!
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09:55<nightuser>by the way, what about my question abotu dotdeb.org?
09:55<EmleyMoor>I might look at evolution...
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09:59<amoe>what?
09:59<amoe>icedove phased out?
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09:59*amoe is in shock
10:00<amoe>wow - thunderbird was pulled the plug on, i missed that one
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10:01<EmleyMoor>amoe: Not had it from anything I call the horse's mouth yet - but Thunderbird is now reported "extended support only"
10:03<nightuser>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406821,00.asp
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10:04<EmleyMoor>So, the future looks really uncertain...
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10:05<AgentC>does geforce 8400GS works with xorg / kde ?
10:05<AgentC>(i ask before changing/buying other hardware)
10:07<Calinou><amoe> icedove phased out?
10:07<Calinou>thunderbird is dead, sadly
10:07*Calinou loved it
10:07<Calinou>evolution is a good alternative
10:07<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... evolution might be worth a look as and when icedove begins to annoy - or one day when I've nothing to do...
10:08<@Ganneff>gnus, but you are offtopic here
10:08<@Ganneff>!ot
10:08<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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10:10<AgentC>Ganneff: when wheezy becomes stable, it is enough to change soures.list to "testing" instead wheezy and continue apt-get upgrade normally ?
10:10<AgentC>Ganneff: to stay on testing
10:12<@Ganneff>why dont you say testing directly?
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10:13<AgentC>Ganneff: the netinstall cd did it firstly so into the sources.list (a week ago since dist-change), i didnt changed that before. is it harmless to change it to "testing" statement without needing an "dist-upgrade" when wheezy comes stable ?
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10:37<bluenemo>i have an administrative question, assuming that an sshd on my server might die and even monit cant restart it for some reason. what do you guys use as a second door to your servers, if any?
10:38<@Ganneff>ilo (or any other kind of good serial access)
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10:38<canaima>hola
10:39<ChibaPet>bluenemo: I don't tend to see sshd die, but if it does you can always force it up with daemon-tools or somesuch.
10:39-!-canaima is now known as jojhan
10:39<jojhan>iam 12 years
10:39<ChibaPet>Failing that, console access, however you can arrange it.
10:39<bluenemo>hm you mean calling the provider and getting console access via some web interface or so?
10:39<Ysgrammor>bluenemo: do you have physical access to the server or is it co,pletely remote?
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10:40<ChibaPet>If it's a VPS, they probably already have that for you.
10:40<bluenemo>no its remote
10:40<R33D3M33R>hello, a question for debian testing users: if a package gets removed from testing because something is not right with it, will this removal also take place through the package-manager at upgrade?
10:40<bluenemo>no its a normal root server
10:40<bluenemo>@ hetzner
10:40<bluenemo>50 euro package, quite new one :)
10:40<Ysgrammor>some server hosters (rackspace, amazon) will give a web interface
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10:40<bluenemo>R33D3M33R, there is #debian-next for testing
10:40<R33D3M33R>thanks for the info
10:40<jojhan>#debian-es
10:40<@Ganneff>bluenemo: you can pay hetzner to have a serial console forever. or you can get it on call. but thats highly offtopic in here.
10:41<bluenemo>but besides a web interface, what do you use? i've never seen a sshd fail as well but i just did monit and i asked myself what if a plain service sshd start wont work for some reason..
10:41<Ysgrammor>bluenemo: the debian administrators handbook has suggestions for alternative access in the event ssh dies
10:41<bluenemo>i thought about adding another sshd on some other port or so..
10:41<@Ganneff>!ot
10:41<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
10:42<bluenemo>ah fascinating, i'll look for that Ysgrammor
10:42<Ysgrammor>telnet is good in an emergency though it can be a high security risk if not secured
10:42<bluenemo>lol no no telnet :)
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10:42<Ysgrammor>I'll get you the link to the handbook
10:42<bluenemo>cool thank you!
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10:42<Ysgrammor>(Ipersonally keep a copy on my e-reader for quick reference)
10:43<Ysgrammor>bluenemo: http://debian-handbook.info/
10:44<bluenemo>thank you!
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10:45<bluenemo>wow this is one hell of a book, veeeery nice
10:45<kop>bluenemo: Serial console is always the best fallback.
10:45<bluenemo>didnt know about it yet
10:45<bluenemo>i'd guess so too yes
10:46<bluenemo>i think i'll contact my provider to discuss those options before something happens :)
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10:46<Ysgrammor>bluenemo: always good to be pre-emptive - there have been 1 or 2 occasions I wish I had been so forward thinking on
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10:47<bluenemo>you woundnt happen to know the chapter Ysgrammor ?
10:47<Ysgrammor>not off the top of my head
10:47<Ysgrammor>give me a minute
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10:48<Ysgrammor>bluenemo: 9.2 remote login
10:49<Ysgrammor>mostly covers ssh
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10:49<jojhan>iam 12 years
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10:50<Ysgrammor>bluenemo: http://www.agroman.net/corkscrew/ is interesting
10:50<Ysgrammor>(but still relies on ssh)
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10:50<bluenemo>hm cant find anything about backup ssh stuff in there Ysgrammor..? only thing that came to my mind: monit sshd, if that wont work start another sshd (maybe another executable or so), if that fails call the provider and ask for some serial access
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10:51<Ysgrammor>maybe one measure to take is to make sure you have a fallback if ssh fails
10:51<bluenemo>hm for that i'd prefer openvpn i guess
10:51<Ysgrammor>yeah - I mis-remembered how much info was in the chapter
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10:52<bluenemo>i think i'll go with having monit start another ssh server via another executable on another port, any of the experienced admins here thinks that this is a bad idea?
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10:54<Ysgrammor>as a sysadmin myself I say it's ok as long as you make sure they're never running at the same time
10:54<Ysgrammor>:D
10:54<bluenemo>hehe yes :D btw thanks again for the book link, already spread it in the office :)
10:54<Ysgrammor>make the port for the backup be a non-standard port that is unlikely to be knocked on
10:54<bluenemo>this will be a nice new book to my tablet :D
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10:55<bluenemo>yes
10:55<Ysgrammor>because you may end up having to set it to password auth
10:55<bluenemo>yes
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10:58<bluenemo>just out of curiosity, when i have the standard (from apt) sshd running, i can start a say staticly compiled sshd as well on another port (using other config files) right? and i then should in theory be able to ssh to both ports..?
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10:59<pparadis>bluenemo: you can tell sshd to listen on multiple ports.
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11:01<grove>bluenemo: I don't see why that shouldn't work, but I also have a hard time seeing why you would do that
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11:42<plaNT135>anybody knows if there is an easy way to install (may be a backport) maitreya package for stable
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11:43<ilse>How can I get the "UUID" of an NTFS partition?
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11:43<devil>plaNT135: right spelling?
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11:43<plaNT135>maitreya
11:44<devil>plaNT135: oh, i see it's in sid, but not in stable
11:44<plaNT135>currently in sid and whezzy
11:44<plaNT135>wheezy, sorry
11:44<devil>yes
11:44<darsie>Was there a downgrade of iceweasel in squeeze-backports? There's 10.0.?.
11:47<fresh-nes>@ilse : Try this command : sudo blkid
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11:48<darsie>fresh-nes: Dosn't work. it says, it lists partitions in /proc/partitions and I don't have that.
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11:50<sney>darsie, that's the esr (extended support release) if you select release the version is higher
11:51<darsie>sney: I don't understand.
11:51<sney>for your question about iceweasel
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11:51<darsie>ahh
11:51<sney>,checkbackport maitreya
11:52<sney>judd's a bit slow today.
11:52<judd>Backporting package maitreya in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libswe-dev.
11:52<sney>plaNT135, ^ unfortunately can't be backported
11:52<fresh-nes>darsie : blkid /path_of_your_partition (ex:blkid /dev/sda1)
11:52<plaNT135>hmm
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11:53<plaNT135>thanks friends
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11:53<plaNT135>thanks sney
11:53<sney>np
11:54<darsie>fresh-nes: no output, even with 'blkid /dev/sda1' which is my root partition.
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11:54<darsie>fresh-nes: ahh, suddenly it works
11:54<fresh-nes>...ok ! nice ;)
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11:56<darsie>sney: How do I specify release?
11:56<darsie>sney: I normally do: aptitude install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel
11:56<sney>http://mozilla.debian.net/ in the 3rd drop down menu. "release" instead of "esr". then edit your sources.list accordingly
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11:58<sney>mozilla.debian.net used to have their repo set up differently, so if you still have an older line it might not be working at all.
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12:05<ChibaPet>Woot! Kudos to Arnaud Fontaine for adding transset to x11-apps. :)
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12:10<darsie>sney: not upgrading to iceweasel 13. my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/178332/
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12:10<darsie>sney: not really important, though.
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12:13<craigevil>apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel
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12:16<darsie>craigevil: should it work with aptitude, too?
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12:25<darsie>keeps installing iceweasel 10. I give up.
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12:29<queryy>hello people I have problems with audio under debian squeeze. there is jusy no sound. I tried $alsaconf but there is no suchcommand, althiugh I have installed alsa. any helkp?
12:29<craigevil>yes, did you run aptitude update first
12:30<darsie>yes
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12:31<darsie>aptitude dist-upgrade had dependency conflicts and suggested to remove iceweasel. Tried that, too. After that it installt v10
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12:39<kop>!alsa checklist
12:39<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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12:53<queryy>Hello people still no sound comes out of my deb squeeze. i tried aplay -vv somefile.wav as it is suggested in the alsa homepage, no sound - any help?
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12:54<Calinou>queryy, check your speakers/etc? check the sound sources?
12:55<Calinou>(don't try to select "headphones" if you're using speakers or whatever... this can actually happen)
12:55<Calinou>once I told someone to "turn sound on", and it worked.
12:56<queryy>Calinou - well i tried these things. one thing more: ihave the windows XP on the same machine and there IS sound
12:56<Calinou>ok, so the speakers should be fine then
12:56<queryy>that is what i guess
12:57<Calinou>"3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped?" < did you do this?
12:57<queryy>u mean the pair ohf small headphones )(and also the speaker of the monitor)
12:57<queryy>no i did not
12:58<queryy>but there is one thing which puzzles me. I thought there is the copmmand "alsaconf"
12:58<queryy>however squeeze does not recognize it
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13:00<queryy>so how do i check the presence pof pulseaudio?
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13:02<Calinou>queryy, see the "top" command
13:03<queryy>oh
13:03<queryy>there is no pulseaudio
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13:04<queryy>and ps -ef|grep pulseaudio gives 4028 3890 0 20:24 pts/4 00:00:00 grep pulseaudio
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13:08<AlexLikeRock>buenos dias gente :)
13:08<darsie>mount silently fails to mount floppies. Tried msdos fs and ext2 with mkfs.msdos and mkfs.
13:09<Calinou>!es
13:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:09<darsie>tried mount /media/floppy
13:09<darsie>tried mount /media/floppy0
13:09<darsie>tried mount /dev/fd0 /mnt
13:10<queryy>Calinou dpkg-query -l pulseaudio says <none>
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13:11<Calinou>:/
13:12<queryy>ok
13:13<darsie>I can read from /dev/fd0 though.
13:14<darsie>and mount says if the disk is write protected.
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14:48<pumafyre>hi everyone. I was having connection issues last night and logged in and out of here 3 or so times in about a 3 minute period and when I got things fixed I tried to join #debian again and found that I'm banned.
14:48<pumafyre>who to I talk with to get my other account removed from the ban list?
14:49<pumafyre>I'm even banned in #debian-next and I wasn't even in that room last night
14:49<pparadis>!ops please see above
14:49<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: pparadis complains about: please see above
14:50<pumafyre>thank you ppardis
14:50<pparadis>sure thing
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14:50<abrotman>that was a big much!
14:50<abrotman>pumafyre: what's your IP/hostname ?
14:51<pumafyre>abrotman: checking
14:53<pumafyre>abrotman: [OFTC] -!- rainfyre [~rainfyre@659AABKAG.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] tor proxy?
14:53<pumafyre>abrotman: I feel a little silly if that's the reason... :p
14:54<abrotman>uhm, all of tor is banned
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14:54<pumafyre>omg, let me try this again, sorry to trouble you with this
14:54<abrotman>or it was ..
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14:54<pumafyre>abrotman: sounds reasonable
14:55<pumafyre>brb
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14:56<Crash-OD>Hello, Im on debian 6.0.5 amd64 i installed the non-free drivers to try and correct the non playing of audio through HDMI the free driver did not all video in xfce but would in gnome, but no audio. so non-free corrected video in xfce but no audio in both xfce or gnome with hdmi
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14:56<Crash-OD>how may i try and correct this
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14:59<Crash-OD>audio: ATI RV710/730 Video: ATI M96 (Mobility Radeon hd 4650)
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15:00<Crash-OD>it worked fine under ubuntu just not debian
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15:01<abrotman>i'd guess you need the kernel from backports.debian.ortg
15:01<abrotman>.org
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15:02<Crash-OD>how do i get that, i tried from frollowing this one site but it was wrong version was lower one then had
15:02<Calinou><Crash-OD> it worked fine under ubuntu just not debian
15:02<Calinou>using propriteary or free drivers?
15:02<Calinou>ubuntu likes proprietary, remember; debian doesn't
15:02<Crash-OD>Calinou i think it was the non-free drivers
15:02<AlexLikeRock>debian , by defaulth come mute
15:02<Calinou>no
15:03<Calinou>it has sound support
15:03<AlexLikeRock>do you check the soun mixer ?
15:03<Calinou>what?
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15:03<Crash-OD>yes i change it to hdmi one but one option i have is check box for iec958
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15:06<rainfyre>abrotman: tor was the problem. :) thank you
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15:07<Crash-OD>see in ubuntu i used pluse to change what to use but it did not like to install in gnome but i got it in xfce
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15:11<quasem>hi
15:11<sney>hi.
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15:12<Crash-OD>anything else you can think of or what page to look at for upgrade to kernal from backports?
15:13<quasem>hi sney
15:14<sney>Crash-OD, http://backports.debian.org/
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15:15<sney>hi quasem is there anything we can help you with today
15:16<quasem>I am trying to www.cupidbay.com chat site from irc
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15:17<sney>!tell quasem about irc primer
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15:18<quasem>I have bookmarked primer thanks
15:20<Crash-OD>thanks sney
15:20<sney>np
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15:20<Crash-OD>so i think this is the new one apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-all-amd64
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15:20<quasem>cupidbay.com may not support irc
15:21<Crash-OD>is there a way to get debian like ubuntu were you can boot from older kernals incase you mess one up?
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15:23<sney>Crash-OD, yes, that's the default behaviour
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15:23<lourdes>hello
15:23<lourdes>olqq
15:23<lourdes>olaa
15:23<Crash-OD>oh ok so i just dont see it like i did in that flavor
15:23<sney>Crash-OD, linux-headers is the source headers. the one called linux-image- is the kernel
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15:27<Crash-OD>sney on backports i only see headers no images for 3.2
15:27<Crash-OD>http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze-backports&arch=amd64&searchon=all&keywords=kernel%203.2
15:28<sney>Crash-OD, http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze-backports§ion=all&arch=amd64&searchon=all&keywords=linux-image-3.2
15:29<Crash-OD>thanks all over - in wording lol
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15:31<Crash-OD>thanks so much sney i hope kernel upgrade fixes it. I know i had to use the non-free drivers in ubuntu with pluse audio to get sound from hdmi i just could not stand ubuntu when using flash and hit space bar scrolled all the way down page so no chatting on line lol
15:32<Crash-OD>linux-base (3) unstable; urgency=low
15:32<Crash-OD> * Some HP Smart Array controllers are now handled by the new 'hpsa'
15:32<Crash-OD> driver, rather than the 'cciss' driver.
15:32<Crash-OD> While the cciss driver presented disk device names beginning with
15:32<Crash-OD> 'cciss/', hpsa makes disk arrays appear as ordinary SCSI disks and
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15:33<Crash-OD>sorry got kicked
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15:35<Crash-OD>so i can not have new one kernel?
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15:58<AlexLikeRock>hey guys i found some cool
15:58<AlexLikeRock>1. Run OpenOffice and start the Spreadsheet application.
15:58<AlexLikeRock>2. In a blank cell, input the following:
15:59<AlexLikeRock>=GAME("StarWars")
15:59<sney>AlexLikeRock: this is a support channel, please take offtopic chatter to #debian-offtopic
15:59<AlexLikeRock>ok
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16:16<mute>Guys, I'm having trouble managing mimetypes and xdg without a DE. I've tried setting it with xdg-mime, and I've tried manually editing mimeapps.list. xdg-mime query default returns what I want, but xdg-open keeps opening pdfs in gimp.
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16:40<dreamer>anyone experienced with making a debian armel-fs using multistrap?
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16:41<dreamer>I'm looking at http://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap#Configuring_the_rootfs but I have no clue how I could do the configure step
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17:03<saulotoledo>hello all. I found a problem with MySQL and schroot: I've installed a squeeze system inside a chroot and something strange happened: connect from the same chroot where MySQL is installed is OK, but connect from outside chroot works, but very very slow. This PHP script: <?php mysql_connect('192.168.254.253', 'root', 'password'); ?> needs about 15-20 seconds to work outside chroot. SOmebody...
17:03<saulotoledo>...can help me to identify the cause?
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17:05<saulotoledo>MySQL logs has no useful information, at both cases the same output at logs, the difference is one is slower than the other
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17:16<AlexLikeRock>adios :)
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17:21<kop>saulotoledo: Could it be a dns resolution issue? Sounds like a reverse-dns lookup pause.
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17:30<blast007>saulotoledo: expanding on what kop said, this might give you some useful things to try: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/host-cache.html (specifically, the --skip-name-resolve option of mysqld, which could help narrow down if DNS is the issue)
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17:31<AgentC>hi
17:32<retrospectacus>hello
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17:34<AgentC>hi retrospectacus
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17:35<AgentC>i switched to wheezy a week ago and have still some configuration probs. i used a fresh system by netinstall cd
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17:36<AgentC>xorg does not provide graphic accelaration for my onboard intel 915G
17:36<retrospectacus>AgentC: please go to #debian-next for wheezy support
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23:43<Flynnl_>Hello.
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23:45<retrospectacus>hey flynn_
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23:48<flynn_>I have a Dell Inspiron 1721 and running debian 6. Sometimes it doesn't start. It goes to the screen that looks almost like command line and then a bunch of 0s and fs and all weird stuff and it freezes with caps lock and another light flashing.
23:48<luk3_>that is weird
23:48<flynn_>Ha. I know.
23:49<flynn_>It's tough to understand because it doesn't happen that much.
23:49<luk3_>yah, so it doesn't happen every time?
23:49<flynn_>It says something about a loop.
23:49<flynn_>Nope. I'm on it right now.
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23:52<flynn_>So... No clue?
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23:55<retrospectacus>flynn_: I had an issue like that
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23:55<flynn_>retrospectacus: What'd you do?
23:56<retrospectacus>I ended up replacing the motherboard, I think the video card had failed
23:56<retrospectacus>that was on a Dell M1210, still works now with the new mobo
23:56<flynn_>Wow! OK. Not an option! Let's move on then.
23:58<retrospectacus>does it get to the grub menu?
23:59<flynn_>Sometimes my wireless won't connect or I just lose it in the middle of something. I plug in my ethernet cable for a few seconds and it's fine again...
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23:59<flynn_>Uh, yeah, that's after the grub menu.
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