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00:04<flynn_>I don't know how to tell if it's my wireless card, router, or network manager?
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00:11<streuner_>moin
00:11<vook>flynn_: caps lock flashing signifies kernel panic. Have you checked logs ? Enabled kdump ?
00:12<flynn_>Don't know about any of that.
00:12<flynn_>Why is the kernel panicking? Is this a bad kernel neighborhood?
00:12<vook>flynn_: next time it happens, take not of the time. Once you get it to boot up again, browse through the file /var/log/messages, looking for the time/date when it occurred.
00:13<vook>You probably have some flakey hardware.
00:13<vook>not/note
00:13<flynn_>would a flakey wireless card do it?
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00:14<vook>better yet, browse through /var/log/messages any time you have a chance - you can find out all kinds of interesting stuff.
00:14<vook>just about any device could do it.
00:16<flynn_>Can't open that file.
00:16<flynn_>Do you have to be root?
00:16<vook>you need to be root, yep
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00:17<vook>It's a messy file if you aren't sure how to parse through what is just gibberish and what is important.
00:18<vook>there are some log viewer programs out there that make the file easier to read.
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00:42<IngCr3at1on>so I'm thinking of switching from ubuntu over to straight debian (tired of the extra junk I don't need) but I think I'm one of the few people who actually likes gnome3; I'm curious just how "unstable" the gnome3 repos are in wheezy
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00:47<IngCr3at1on>hmm, I thought I wanted to switch to debian at least; not sure, the user support seems wonderful (incidentally IRC needs sarcasm enclosures)
00:50<retrospectacus>the user support is great, actually... that's not a support question
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00:50<malexp>maybe i was too used to gnome2
00:51<malexp>and i miss so much the old network manager ;)
00:52<IngCr3at1on>I suppose it's not directly 'support' but it's very much a user related question
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00:52<IngCr3at1on>honestly I've never really been big on any UI lol
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01:09<IngCr3at1on>well, thanks again this has been... enlightening
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02:23<Shedding>hi guys
02:23<Shedding>anyone around?
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02:24<Dr_O_>IngCr3at1on: Wheezy has now frozen, so it is not in too bad shape and will stabalize to a "stable release" over the next 3 to 6 months (timeline is my guess).
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02:24<Shedding>I am having some trouble.. and I've tried reading numerous posts before coming here
02:24*Dr_O_ notices IngCr3at1on is no longer here!
02:25<Shedding>doh
02:25<Dr_O_>!topic
02:25<Shedding>looking at toping
02:25<Shedding>topic
02:25<Shedding>I mean
02:26<jm_>!ask
02:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
02:26<Shedding>ohh
02:26<Dr_O_>my bad... I thought the topic said "just ask.. don't ask to ask"... so go on!
02:26<Shedding>I have an old computer with debian on it. I want to extract data from it - however, when I use ntfs it only allows read only
02:27<Shedding>I tried ntfs-3g
02:27<Shedding>but the package is not installed
02:27<Shedding>I tried apt-get install ntfs-3g
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02:27<Shedding>and it looks like lenny can't find it
02:27<Shedding>I tried changing the source.list
02:27<Dr_O_>ok... so what are you copying onto?
02:27<ompaul>Shedding: eh, to extract data all you need to do is write
02:27<Shedding>and I get a "couldn't find package ntfs-3g"
02:27<Dr_O_>doe the computer in question have a network?
02:27<jm_>please don't use enter key so often
02:27<ompaul>Shedding: eh, to extract data all you need to do is read actually
02:27<Shedding>an external hard drive
02:27<Shedding>yes it does
02:27<Shedding>dhcp
02:28<Shedding>I can ping the internet
02:28<ompaul>!enter
02:28<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
02:28<Shedding>well, no I mean
02:28<Shedding>I need to extract data from the linux machine to the ntfs hard drive
02:28<Dr_O_>Well in essance you cannot!
02:28<Shedding>sorry about that.
02:28<ompaul>Shedding: you are heading to being ignored, that's a windows problem install pscp.exe on the windows box
02:29<jpinx>Shedding: the linux machine will need ntfs-3g installed
02:29<Shedding>yes. I am trying to install the ntfs-3g packages. But it cannot find them.
02:29<ompaul>just do the simple thing - tar the data on the linux box - and use pscp to copy it to the linux box
02:29<Dr_O_>does lenny have ntfs-3g??
02:29<ompaul>s/linux/windows
02:29<jpinx>Shedding: then you can sshfs or rsync from linux to wondows
02:29<jm_>Shedding: what's in your sources.list for lenny? "/msg dpkg paste" if you need to paste several lines
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02:30<ompaul>jpinx: it can be done from windows with less effort
02:30<jpinx>ompaul: probably - but this s the linux way ;)
02:30<Dr_O_>Shedding: Do you have another computer on the network?
02:30<Shedding>I also have a NAS which I can ping
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02:31<Shedding>I tried mounting the ip with cifs. but it did not work
02:31<Dr_O_>Ah... well you want to copy from the debian machine to the network NAS
02:31<Shedding>yes dr.0
02:31<Shedding>either that, or copy the data to an external hard drive.
02:31<Shedding>This machine is really old and the raid is failing. There is a lot of data needed, b ut the data can no longer be accessed through smb
02:32<Shedding>It used to be a network file server
02:32<ompaul>Shedding: this problem was solved by my clue, I'll say it again, 1) install pscp.exe on the windows machine 2) copy the data - if there is a lot of it use tar to tar the data 3) take the time saved to upgrade lenny to squeeze and then deal with other issues
02:32<Shedding>ok ompaul. Let me do a search online on what pscp is.
02:32<ompaul>Shedding: it is what you want
02:33<Shedding>ohhh it is an ftp client
02:33<ompaul>secure client
02:33<Dr_O_>Shedding: search for putty, pscp is part of the putty suite of progs
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02:33<jm_>or use rsync for windows
02:33<Shedding>Got it. I don't know why I didn't think of that
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02:34<ompaul>rsync for windows is a bad idea - rsync on cygwin is a great idea
02:34<Shedding>the nas has an ftp server available
02:34<Shedding>I can just ftp to the nas
02:34<Dr_O_>When you have a network external hard drives and usb sticks and floppyies and cd's etc become a thing of the past!
02:34<jm_>I love such unqualified comments
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02:34<Dr_O_>well lenny has lots of ftp progs available
02:35<ompaul>because (and I'm way offtopic here) the considerations to the windows file system makes for a more awkward command line for the rsync for windows
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02:40<Shedding>got it
02:40<Shedding>I can transfer stuff. One thing though, is there a way to use wildcards with "put"
02:41<Shedding>to drop the entire directory?
02:41<Shedding>including directories
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02:42<jm_>Shedding: use a decent ftp client that can do it, i.e. lftp has mirror command
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02:42<nevyn>mput/mget or ncftp
02:42<Shedding>doing it from the debian machine
02:42<Shedding>using plain ole ftp
02:42<jm_>good luck with that
02:43<Shedding>I tried mput. But it doesn't seem to copy folders within folders
02:43<Shedding>:( jm
02:43<Shedding>I can't even run xwindows on this thing
02:43<Shedding>it would make my job a bit easier
02:43<nevyn>how do you figgure?
02:43<ompaul>tar cvf WhatIWantToCopy.tar /path/to/data
02:43<ompaul>ftp put 1 file
02:44<Shedding>ompaul: I would do that, but we are talking 80+ gigs
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02:44<nevyn>so?
02:44<ompaul>make 40 2 gig files
02:44<Shedding>the drives are degraded
02:44<Shedding>so even if I do that. I am not sure how the files will be set on these drives (Which are failing)
02:44<jm_>Shedding: why don't you install lftp/ncftp then?
02:44<ompaul>Shedding: scp -R will copy what it can rsync will start where it finished
02:45<ompaul>psftp.exe
02:45<Shedding>I am ok with linux, just not greate.
02:45<Shedding>I am doing everything from the debian machine.
02:45<ompaul>Shedding: you really have sat there spouting all sorts of reasons why this is complex, and you have been handed solutions 1 at a time
02:45<Shedding>great I mean
02:46<Dr_O_>Shedding: lftp or ncftp is the way to go with the ftp method. Install either of these and read the man pages... or install pscp on your wondows machien and pull the data off
02:46<Shedding>dr_o: will do.
02:46<ompaul>psftp offering interaction compression and ftp commands
02:46<nevyn>tar cvf - directories|ssh remotehost cd targetdir && tar xf -
02:46<Shedding>is it possible to do a apt-get install?
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02:46<jm_>sure is with correct sources.list
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02:46<Dr_O_><nevyn>: only one linux machine involved
02:46<Shedding>yeah.. I think I might have the correct source list
02:46<Shedding>archive.debian.com
02:47<jm_>.org
02:47<Shedding>ohh
02:47<Shedding>brb.. let me check
02:47<ompaul>Shedding: no unless you are comfortable with editing your /etc/apt/sources.list as lenny is EOL i.e. support life is over and note that url
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02:48<Shedding>yes. I am using pico to edit it ompaul. As I cannot remember for the life of me all the vi commands
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02:49*Dr_O_ likes pico and nano but does not want to start an editor war ;-)
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02:49<jm_>perhaps playing that vim adventure game would help :P
02:49<ompaul>!editor war
02:49<dpkg>well, editor war is when people start talking all sorts of emotional bullshit while trying to prove superiority of the editor of their choice
02:49<Shedding>I got a better idea
02:49<ompaul>emacs is a great o/s - if only it had an editor
02:50*Dr_O_ chuckles!
02:50<Shedding>just downloaded ncftp from windows, set it on my nas, and now I am going to downloaded it to the debian box using ftp
02:50<Shedding>done
02:50<Shedding>emacs :)
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02:55<Shedding>ok. I've got it, it is untarred. I have a few files in there. Now here might be a stupid question. how do I install the .pl file?
02:56<xiewanchen>jj
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02:56<Shedding>Just "jj install.pl"?
02:57<xiewanchen>I am sorry to spell the wrong wold
02:57<xiewanchen>word
02:57<jm_>you untarred what?
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02:58<Shedding>the file came as this ncftpd-2.8.7-linux-x86-export.tar.gz
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02:58<Shedding>so I had to extract it. Right?
02:58<Shedding>tar -xvf
02:59<jm_>first of all, that's ncftpd (so ftp server), not ncftp, and second, use a debian package
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03:00<Shedding>man.. I feel stupider by the second
03:00<Shedding>thanks for the help jm
03:00<Shedding>I can use dpkg if I get a debian package
03:01<jm_>http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ncftp/
03:01<jm_>you jsut need to tfind the right version
03:01<jm_>seems to be: Version: 2:3.2.1-1
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03:02<Shedding>i386 should work right?
03:02<jm_>run this to find out: dpkg --print-architecture
03:02<Shedding>ok
03:02<pparadis>i missed it in the scrollback, why the particular version instead of just apt-get install ncftp ?
03:02<jm_>lenny
03:02<pparadis>oh my
03:02<jm_>:)
03:02<Shedding>amd64
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03:03<pparadis>has the usual commentary i.e. "please upgrade to squeeze, you have no security updates, etc" already been made? :)
03:03<pparadis>if so i won't bother with it.
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03:03<Shedding>it is an old server with an old decaying raid pparadis
03:03<pparadis>nod
03:04<ompaul>pparadis: I gave a solution which allowed for that however given the incessant noise I put it on the ignore list cos this problem was solved a long time ago
03:04<Shedding>this thing is on it's last leg. Trying to get the info before it dies
03:04<pparadis>ompaul: nod as well, i'll let it roll
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03:05<Shedding>you guys are awesome. This would be extremely tough without your help
03:05<jpinx>Shedding: if you're only trying to save some data and not the system itself, just tarball the data and scp it over
03:05<ompaul>in my pre 8am mode I have low tolerance, it takes a while for me to not be annoyed
03:05<Shedding>I think that is what paul was telling me :)
03:06<ompaul>jpinx: wait for it - oh my raid it hurts *cry* *cry* he won't use pscp to drag it onto the windows box - if the raid is really failing then time is of the essence but I think a reformatting might be in order
03:06<Shedding>but as before, if I tar the data, I am not sure if the hard drives are going to write it properly.
03:06<Shedding>:)
03:06<Shedding>he beat me to it
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03:07<pparadis>Shedding: that's not a problem if you're piping the tarball over your network to another machine.
03:07<pparadis>gah, i said i wouldn't go there. imma just shut up. :)
03:07<jpinx>hehe
03:07<ompaul>pparadis: oh shut up :P
03:07*ompaul hides
03:07<pparadis><3
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03:08<Shedding>:)
03:08<Shedding>brb.. bathroom
03:10<ompaul>why is the raid taking a dump of the fs?
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03:11<fresh-nes>hi, I don't succeed to build the kernel 3.4 with my .conf file done thanks to xconfig. The problem is : "implicit declaration of function ‘irq_to_gpio’"... Could you help me please
03:11<ompaul>btw I was told elsewhere what was happening - I really do have him on ignore
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03:12<ompaul>!xy problem
03:12<dpkg>[xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html
03:13<jm_>fresh-nes: you really shouldn't be building your own kernels if you can't sort that out
03:13<pparadis>ompaul: that factoid needs a little help; the second link is now this --> http://www.tesco.net/images/tesconet-middle.png
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03:14<ompaul>pparadis: tbh I don't get it's relevance but the first link is good
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03:14<pparadis>indeed it is
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03:15<jm_>http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html
03:16<ompaul>jm_: thanks
03:16<ompaul>Shedding: ^^
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03:17<fresh-nes>jm_ : I really want to ! My .config file works well for the kernel 3.3 on my pandaboard, however I've this probleme when I use it for the kernel 3.4
03:17<ompaul>jm_: it is so altered :)
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03:21<Shedding>back
03:21<pparadis>Shedding: everything come out okay?
03:21<Shedding>so far so good ;)
03:21<Shedding>fiberone and activia you know
03:21<ompaul>!TMI
03:21<dpkg>somebody said tmi was too much information, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island
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03:22<rainfyre>heh
03:22<ompaul>now - Shedding read the back scroll since you were gone in particular the xy problem
03:22*ompaul unignored him
03:22<ompaul>you have sufficient information - act on it now before the raid goes and you have no data
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03:23<Shedding>ompaul: absolutely true. There is also one other reason I didn't do the other
03:23<ompaul> Shedding: you are heading to being ignored, that's a windows problem install pscp.exe on the windows box
03:23<ompaul>was 1 hour ago
03:23<ompaul>so you have been faffing on here with lots of codswallop for no good reason
03:23<Shedding>ompaul: don't want do be ignored.. I just didn't want to be seen as a complete idiot
03:24<Shedding>and using the pscp option would've most likely made me seem like an idiot on top of that, trying to figure out how to get it done
03:25<jpinx>too late,,,,,,,
03:25<Shedding>probably
03:25<pparadis>not knowing things is totally okay. sometimes it's good to just state what your original dilemma is in simple terms and ask others for suggestions starting from there.
03:25<ompaul>make a folder on your windows desktop called my-linux save pscp.exe to the desktop then run cmd and the following
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03:25<Shedding>thank you ompaul (doing it as we speak)
03:26<ompaul>pscp -R user@other-ipL/path/to/data/* my-linux
03:26<ompaul>Shedding: ask two lines not an hour of rubbish
03:26<ompaul>be explicit in your aim, don't try to solve it - let those around you solve it or else don't ask
03:27<Shedding>the "user@other-ip/path" what path do I point that too?
03:27<ompaul>and it is :/
03:27<ompaul>that is where your data is on your linux box
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03:28<ompaul>so if your name was fred and you were username fred and you wanted the home directory
03:28<Shedding>ok.. give me a second. Downloading pscp
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03:29<ompaul> pscp -R fred@192.whatever: note the full colon if it is not the home directory type the path in there
03:29<ompaul>full colon, is always needed
03:29<ompaul>and as I said this is a ##windows issue - we are way offtopic here
03:30<ompaul>now you have sufficient information, if you can't work it out you need to use google for examples in using pscp
03:30<pparadis>ompaul: now that's just not true. there are engineering solutions to that problem --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostomy_pouching_system
03:30*pparadis runs like hell
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03:31<ompaul>pparadis: just as well I'm a big fat * or I'll catch you
03:31*jpinx trips pparadis
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03:32<jpinx>pparadis: /nick pp.....is
03:32<Shedding>this is what I am trying
03:33<Shedding>pscp -r root@192.168.1.186:/data
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03:33<Shedding>the folder is called data
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03:33<ompaul>-R
03:33<ompaul>and where's your target
03:34<ompaul>my-linux/
03:34<ompaul>my-linux/.
03:34<Shedding>it won't allow R
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03:34<Shedding>only -r
03:34<ompaul> pscp -r root@192.168.1.186:/data/* my-linux/.
03:34<Shedding>HOLYT SHIT!
03:34<Shedding>it is doing it
03:34<rainfyre>faffing and codswallop. I need a translation.
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03:34<ompaul>rainfyre: no you don't
03:34<rainfyre>ompaul: heh :p
03:35<Shedding>OMG
03:35<ompaul>Shedding: shut up already
03:35<Shedding>You are the man..
03:35<ompaul>pparadis: you doo
03:35<ompaul>pparadis: you too
03:35<Shedding>you don't know how hard I am laughing
03:35<rainfyre>Shedding: I just come in here to watch him ..
03:35<pparadis>ompaul: i'm still busy running like hell.
03:36<ompaul>what kind of IRC is this - give someone a How to at 7:28am they do it at 8:35
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03:36<ompaul>hehe
03:36<rainfyre>internet delay chat
03:36<ompaul>rainfyre: +42
03:36<ompaul>or maybe 63
03:36<rainfyre>ompaul: that's the answer!
03:36<ompaul>now what was the question again?
03:36<Shedding>damn man.. I need to apologize
03:36<rainfyre>67 ..
03:37<Shedding>I've been humbled.
03:37<ompaul>Shedding: best thing you can do now ... is ssssshhhhhhhhhhh
03:37<Shedding>ok
03:37<rainfyre>:)
03:37<ompaul>let's do the timewarp again
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03:44<rainfyre>good movie.
03:44<rainfyre>bedtime here, catch you all later -
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03:54<zi>hi guys, can i get a tip for a small problem with: ALSA error - snd_pcm_hw_params failed: Invalid argument. (while audacious plays next song)?
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04:10<Lantizia>Lo, how/where does debian rotate logs?
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04:14<jm_>and cron jobs
04:14<ompaul>mostly cron jobs
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04:18<Lantizia>found it - thanks
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04:46<Shedding>again.. thank you ompaul. The transfer is going great. At this rate, I should have everything in about 4-8 hours
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04:49<ompaul>once was en oeuf
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04:58<bonno>i need help on xubuntu what do i do? what channel/server do i join..i am niwbe on IRC
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04:59<bonno>i dont find ubuntu chat anywhere..
04:59<ompaul>!ubuntuirc
04:59<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
04:59<ompaul>bonno: and most likely you want #xubuntu on that server
04:59<bonno>thanks :)
04:59<bonno>the server is freenode right?
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05:00<ompaul>yes
05:00<ompaul>this is oftc
05:00<ompaul>or debian
05:01<ompaul>alias smith and jones --- they always work with aliases
05:01<bonno>oftc? what is that?
05:01<ompaul>here
05:01<ompaul>!oftc
05:01<dpkg>OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>.
05:01<bonno>anyway :p thanks
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05:08<AlexLikeRock>hoa gente :)
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05:13<AlexLikeRock>i wil bak on my new debian intallation ;-)
05:13<AlexLikeRock>bye
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05:23<gnurbs>I have a thinkpad X60. It does not power off or reset after shutdown. anyone got any ideas on how to fix this? it's really annoying :(
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05:25<gnurbs>also, that bug does _only_ appear in debian (also in debian based linux-mint), not p.ex. in ubuntu and fedora
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05:25<gnurbs>and also, when still in ramdisk, it properly reboots
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05:25<gnurbs>standbye and hibernate do work properly
05:26<SynrG>an acpi problem, i guess
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05:30<SynrG>maybe relates to the kernel version? i assume you have acpi-support installed.
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05:32<SynrG>though acpi-support would only be relevant if the shutdown event firing were not handled properly, and it sounds like you're saying it does a shutdown, just doesn't poewr off at the end
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05:34<SynrG>gnurbs: could try a kernel backport if you think it's a kernel issue
05:34<SynrG>!bpo
05:34<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
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05:34<gnurbs>exactly, it shuts down but does not power off
05:35<gnurbs>i have testing running, so it's 3.2.something
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05:35<gnurbs>actually it worked out fine until not so long ago, I have that laptop for around 2.5 years now
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05:36<gnurbs>uname -a : Linux jira 3.2.0-2-amd64 #1
05:36<gnurbs>ubuntu with a 3.2 kernel does fine...
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05:52<nocturnal>http://serverfault.com/questions/406301/ldaperr-dsid-0c0903aa-data-52e-authenticating-against-ad-08-with-pam-ldap just throwing this out here in case anyone has gotten pam_ldap working with AD '08.
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06:04<grandie>i have installed lxde and xfce on the same system, however xdm does not give me a chance to switch between the two, what am i doing wrong?
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06:11<Calinou>grandie, no option when logging in?
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06:16<grandie>Calinou: that is correct and on leaving lxde i get sent to a new login screen, i can't shutdown or restart my system
06:17<Calinou>don't know what's happening
06:18<grandie>thanks anyway!
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06:20<xylon>hi
06:21<xylon>is there a rm with recycling bin support?
06:21<xylon>since gnu rm doesn't
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06:23<rham>I've created a script in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom
06:24<rham>but for some reason the script is getting executed when I run "update-initramfs -u"
06:24<rham>which is extremely odd
06:25<rham>the initramfs-tools(8) man page says that files in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom will be copied to the initramfs image and executed at boot time
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06:27<Calinou>xylon, you could move the files to trash using "mv" command ;)
06:27<Calinou>or use a script
06:28<rham>this surely shouldn't be happening?
06:28<jm_>xylon: safe-rm - wrapper around the rm command to prevent accidental deletions
06:28<xylon>rham, maybe you can find out who wrote initramfs-tools and ask them
06:29<rham>xylon: maybe I can do that
06:29<rham>xylon: maybe I can ask people in this IRC channel as well, which is populated by people who presumably know a reasonable amount about debian :-)
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06:30<xylon>jm_ that's interresting
06:31<Calinou>s/reasonable/a lot, and you look like a noob when asking questions
06:32<jm_>xylon: better yet, libtrash - A trash can library to use with LD_PRELOAD
06:32<rham>Calinou: is that bad?
06:32<Calinou>no :)
06:33<rham>so, this surely should not be happening?
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06:33<Calinou>wasn't talking to you
06:33<Calinou>about "looking like a noob"
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06:33<Calinou>I have no idea; I'm no linux expert :P
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06:35<xylon>jm_ ah now that looks like it!
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07:15<psicobra>hi all this is my first time using debian
07:16<psicobra>tried lots of flavours of debian but never straight debian before
07:16<Calinou>hi
07:16<psicobra>hi
07:17<psicobra>is it my imagination or is debian much slower than ubuntu?
07:17<engla>psicobra: debian doesn't have flavors though.
07:17<psicobra>i.e ubuntu kubuntu etc
07:17<psicobra>lubuntu
07:18<psicobra>bhodi
07:18<psicobra>all debian based
07:18<engla>they are derived distributions
07:18<engla>nothing flavor about them
07:18<Calinou><psicobra> is it my imagination or is debian much slower than ubuntu?
07:18<Calinou>what desktop environment? what computer specs (RAM/CPU/GPU),
07:18<Calinou>it's pretty fast for me.
07:18<psicobra>ok.... thats what i was refering to sorry if i wasnt clear enough thanks for correcting me
07:18<Calinou>it boots FASTER than ubuntu for me
07:19<Calinou>I use testing + Xfce personally, 64 bit
07:19<engla>psicobra: "much slower" is too vague to answer. Perceptions can hang on small details even
07:19<psicobra>it's a laptop running gnome p4-m 1.86 ghz 1.5GB ram 32GB sata SSD#
07:19<Calinou>that's quite old :P
07:19<Calinou>psicobra, try Xfce or LXDE, they are lighter alternatives
07:19<engla>psicobra: are you using debian stable?
07:20<psicobra>Calinou, it runs perfectly in ubuntu and kubuntu
07:20<psicobra>engla, yes debian stable
07:20<Calinou>psicobra, proprietary drivers or free drivers?
07:20<psicobra>Calinou, free
07:20<Calinou>> did you use proprietary drivers in ubuntu?
07:20<Calinou>> did you enable desktop effects?
07:20<psicobra>Calinou, yes
07:21<Calinou>^ probably why
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07:21<Calinou>proprietary is often faster, however it doesn't like powersaving most of the time
07:21<psicobra>Calinou, yes had full effects in kubuntu cube wobbly windows everything
07:21<psicobra>Calinou, yes thats one of the problems i had when computer went to sleep screen would not power back up
07:21<psicobra>Calinou, i like eyecanfy
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07:22<psicobra>had it turned off when doing most things
07:22<Calinou>I can use desktop effects just fine with nouveau :P
07:22<Calinou>even games
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07:22<psicobra>my gfx card is an ati x300 not powerfull enough for games and compiz
07:22<Calinou>oh
07:23<jm_>nouveau lacks power savings
07:23<psicobra>either or
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07:25<psicobra>though i would give debian a try as i miss gnome stupid ubuntu
07:25<psicobra>unity blagheh
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07:26<jm_>actually some power saving stuff is already there
07:27<psicobra>what is nouveau?
07:27<jm_>nevermind, it's not related to your issue
07:27<psicobra>the ssd i have is very fast on every distro but devian really seems to lag on it
07:27<psicobra>debian
07:28<Calinou><jm_> nouveau lacks power savings
07:28<Calinou>it has power saving for some GPUs
07:28<Calinou>nouveau = free nvidia drivers
07:28<jm_>Calinou: yes, see above
07:28<psicobra>i see
07:28<Calinou>psicobra has ati not nvidia
07:28<Calinou>:P
07:29<engla>squeeze's kernel is 10 releases behind ubuntu, so there might be gpu or ssd differences there that you actually notice
07:29<psicobra>i really wish some one would work on a free flash player
07:29<engla>(.32 vs 3.2)
07:29<psicobra>adobe flash sucks so bad in linux
07:30<Calinou>ade flash sucks so bad
07:30<psicobra>actually thats not true i wish i was smarter so i could work on a free flash player for linux
07:30<Calinou>no need for "in linux"
07:30<Calinou>;)
07:30<Calinou>adobe*
07:30<psicobra>i like watching stuff like bbc iplayer and youtube etc
07:31<psicobra>brb reboot
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07:31<Calinou>> HTML5
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07:32<perlwizard>it's very laggy though
07:32<perlwizard>for me at least
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07:33<psicobra>oh great now i broke my gfx card
07:33<engla>the best solution is sadly youtube-dl and then playing the file.. vlc uses half the cpu of firefox in html5
07:34<perlwizard>yeah that works best.
07:34<psicobra>segment fault
07:34<engla>that said, vlc can play youtube URLs directly, but often gets stuck in buffering
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07:38<mute>I use this one https://github.com/webgapps/flvideoreplacer + gecko-mediaplayer(it's in the repo) plugin
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07:50<psicobra>meh
07:50<psicobra>oh wel...........
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07:55<Xenix>Bonjour, quelqu'un de français pour m'aider ?
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07:56<psicobra>!fr
07:56<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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07:58<psicobra>!ft | Xenix
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07:58<psicobra>!fr | Xenix
07:58<psicobra>hmmm...
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10:06<lazycrazy>hi all
10:06<Calinou>hi
10:07<lazycrazy>i don know how to chat
10:07<gena2x>we see
10:07<Calinou>you're chatting right now
10:07<lazycrazy>i am a newbie here
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10:08<lazycrazy>means terms and conditions
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10:08<lazycrazy>???
10:08<lazycrazy>blabla bla
10:08<lazycrazy>can i discuss problems like this?
10:09<gena2x>with yourself
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10:09<babilen>lazycrazy: This is a technical support channel for Debian users and not a social chat one. You might want to read "/msg dpkg irc tutorial" (that is an irc command) and join a different channel. (such as #moocows or #help)
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10:15<cdupont>hi everybody!
10:15<cdupont>sorry to disturb, I'm having a problem with ghc-pkg that I cannot solve:
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10:16<cdupont>whenever I launch a ghc-pkg command it says ghc-pkg: too few bytes. Failed reading at byte position 65519
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10:16<cdupont>the file /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf seems to have disappeared from my system
10:16<cdupont>is there a way to regenerate it?
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10:18<babilen>,file /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf
10:18<judd>Search for /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf in squeeze/i386: ghc6: usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf
10:18<babilen>cdupont: You might want to reinstall ghc6
10:19<cdupont>ok
10:20<cdupont>will it get back all my installed packages? b/c its quite [ainful ;)
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10:22<babilen>cdupont: you mean all packages installed with ghc-pkg?
10:22<cdupont>yes
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10:24<babilen>cdupont: Hmm, no idea. You might also want to check the bts (i.e. http://bugs.debian.org ) for applicable bug reports. I guess that #haskell knows more about using ghc-pkg
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10:27<lazycrazy>hi all
10:27<lazycrazy>i have small pblm
10:27<lazycrazy>in my modem configuration
10:27<lazycrazy>any help from here?
10:28<cdupont>babilen: yes I'll ask there
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10:29<flower>u better describe your problem exactly and maybe someone can help you, lazycrazy
10:29<lazycrazy>i am using debian sqeeze 6.0.5 .When i am connected to internet suddenly blank screen appears
10:30<lazycrazy>saying that modem respawning too fast disabling for 5 minutes
10:31<lazycrazy>and both the web browsers iceweasel and epiphany are crashing frequently
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10:31<lazycrazy>and also making my system hangs
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10:32<perlwizard>what modem is that
10:32<lazycrazy>VIA RHINE2
10:33<lazycrazy>i couldnt do any thing than rebooting my system
10:33<lazycrazy>when it hangs
10:33<perlwizard>how did you configure it?
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10:34<lazycrazy>i configured it by PPPOECONF
10:35<lazycrazy>actually its a BROADBAND connection
10:35<lazycrazy>requires username and password
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10:36<lazycrazy>i don knw why the browsers are crashing frequently
10:37<lazycrazy>i tried to open my browser in terminal
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10:37<lazycrazy>after crash browser diappears with a single message
10:38<lazycrazy>SEGMENTATION FAULT
10:38<lazycrazy>any one please tell me any log file to know what exactly the error is?
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10:41<Calinou>what browser?
10:41<Calinou>crashfox?
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10:44<lazycrazy>iceweasel and epiphany
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10:44<lazycrazy>both the browsers
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10:49<lazycrazy>i am just a new bie
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10:51<lazycrazy>interested in learning linux but facing such big pblms in the starting
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11:00<kop>lazycrazy: You might check out footnote 1 in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware
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11:47<SynrG>the advice given at http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#FAQ to configure a static IP# is dubious. while i understand some people prefer to use ifupdown, this is not the "GNOME way". furthermore, there exist a class of applications which want to talk to GNOME and learn about its networking that must use NetworkManager. deja-gnu (an easy personal backup package) is in this class. it uses gconf and gvfs to talk to any number of backends ...
11:47<SynrG>... providing storage
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11:49<SynrG>also, while at one time (lenny?) NM did not provide a way to assign a static IP#, so ifupdown was your only alternative, NM now quite happily allows you to switch from Automatic (DHCP) -> Manual
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11:51<SynrG>so i field the question here: is it reasonable to advise users that to configure their GNOME systems with a static IP, one should merely change to Manual / all users? or do we really need to retain the "use /etc/network/interfaces" advice here (for some arcane reason)?
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12:00<dondelelcaro>SynrG: if the system is always going to have the same manual IP, then ifupdown is still the way to do it
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12:02<SynrG>dondelelcaro: hmm. but this is a matter of opinion that is hotly contested
12:02<ChibaPet>Network Manager has some magic associated with wireless networks that I have yet to understand.
12:02<SynrG>dondelelcaro: sorry for fragmenting this discussion. i decided some key developers with valuable input aren't here, so moved it to #debian-devel
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12:03<ChibaPet>To wit, I can have an SSID, MAC address, channel, auth data, and ifupdown won't connect me while Network Manager will.
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12:03<ChibaPet>I have yet to understand the particular magic involved.
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12:24<fresh-nes>I boot ubuntu on my Pandaboard. With the kernel 3.3, every thing was fine, but since I use kernel 3.4, my touchscreen hdmi is ignored during the boot... In conclusion : the boot is done, I can use a terminal thanks to the serial port, but I don't have any hdmi output. Do you have any idea ?
12:25<andermetalsh>I have troubles with multiarch
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12:27<sney>!ubuntuirc fresh-nes
12:27<dpkg>fresh-nes: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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12:27<fresh-nes>sorry...and thanks
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12:32<andermetalsh>I have debian sid installed and the multiarch settings in sources.list enabled, but I cant install the googleearth package
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12:33<andermetalsh>I tried aptitude and some installing options, but I couldn't install it
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12:37<retrospectacus>!pieces
12:37<dpkg>i heard sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
12:38<retrospectacus>andermetalsh: go to #debian-next for sid support, and /msg dpkg bat
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12:40<AgentC>short question : how to proove the permissions of an audio PCI device ? (device shown in lspci)
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12:42<retrospectacus>AgentC: what is "proove the permissions" ?
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12:43<SynrG>ChibaPet: i use wpa_supplicant for that with my netbook. i agree that for most users of wireless, NM is more convenient. but then again, most wireless users aren't interested in a static IP# either.
12:43<AgentC>retrospectacus: on tty-console or crontab entry, mplayer says it cant access to audio device. in a X terminal it works. maybe it is a prob of access by group-permissions to the device, or driver ....
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12:44<SynrG>my concern is primarily for desktop systems with wired connections and fixed IP# (a wireless connection with a fixed IP# is possible too, and not too difficult to set up via wpa_supplicant, if you just follow the readmes)
12:44<AgentC>retrospectacus: maybe , maybe not, but when X is using audio, tty-console or other tasks should also access the device even if they are not under x
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12:46<gnugr>andermetalsh:multiarch is a tool to help you to get packages from foreign architectures, is that you problem?
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12:47<SynrG>AgentC: maybe a PolicyKit issue?
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12:48<AgentC>SynrG: what is a policykit issue ?
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12:49<SynrG>trying to think of things that would differ wrt permissions when you are logged into console vs. X
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12:51<AgentC>SynrG: maybe this would be the way, but when mplayer says : resource is busy, seems clearly, but it should be possible to run a player from tty while running X
12:51<AgentC>SynrG: different from my squeeze system is, that wheezy using pulse-audio, which was deinstalled on my pre-squeeze
12:51<SynrG>not certain about that. i thought we had agents running on the desktop to mediate all accesses to audio device that are known to all apps using audio
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12:53<bytecode>hi guys
12:53<SynrG>right, like pulseaudio. so you're using pulseaudio on wheezy? #debian-next may be in a better position to help
12:53<SynrG>AgentC: ^
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12:53<AgentC>SynrG: can we talk there ?
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12:55<AgentC>SynrG: i tryid in debian-next 2 times, no answers.
12:56<AgentC>SynrG: 1,5 hours
12:56<SynrG>patience, then :)
12:56<SynrG>anyway, let's take it there
12:56<AgentC>:-)
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13:16<ChibaPet>SynrG: So, yeah, that's what I'm wondering - does Network Manager do something unusual with wpa_supplicant? Because if you're using wpa, you're using wpa_supplicant even when you use ifupdown.
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13:17<ChibaPet>Despite this I see more success connecting with Network Manager than ifupdown, and this makes no sense to me.
13:18<untrusted>maybe nm does some strange things
13:18<untrusted>reload the module
13:18<untrusted>reload the firmware
13:18<untrusted>retry
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13:19<SynrG>ChibaPet: unsure. i've been a happy wpa_supplicant user on sid for a while, in any case. though i do remember with squeeze at least one connection scenario where it refused to connect but NM was OK
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13:22<ChibaPet>I'll see if I can isolate what's different. Probably worth making sure that ifupdown does whatever it is NM's doing in those situations.
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13:41<Viper550>How do you set Debian on Squeeze to allow user directories? public_html/such?
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13:42<petemc>Viper550: if the userdir apache module is loaded then creating ~/public_html should just work
13:42<Viper550>it didn't.
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13:43<petemc>Viper550: a2enmod userdir
13:43<petemc>as root...
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13:50<julian>hy, how is the chanel to debian on spanish?
13:50<callum07>callum here hello
13:50<andermetalsh>julian: #debian-es I think|| supongo
13:51<julian>tks, men...
13:51<callum07>ola
13:51<retrospectacus>!es
13:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:51<callum07>seriously ur name is dpkg lol lame
13:52<amphi>!pal callum07
13:52*dpkg points at callum07 and laughs uproariously
13:52<retrospectacus>haha
13:53<retrospectacus>dpkg: bot
13:53<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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13:53<sham-hack>does any one know how to change login screen?
13:54<retrospectacus>sham-hack: there is an option in "system - Administration" for that ... if you're on stable, gnome. If not, maybe.
13:54<joseph>how disable blank screen when laptop lip is closed? I have a laptop and a 20" monitor and I'd like to use it with laptop lid closed
13:55<retrospectacus>power options...
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13:56<joseph>retrospectacus, there's that options: Blank screen, suspend, hibernate, shutdown.
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13:58<callum07>pwefmjwnf
13:58<callum07>f;knsa
13:58<callum07>df;n
13:58<callum07>sd;fkns
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13:59<joseph>retrospectacus, It's work well while laptop lid is not closed
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13:59<retrospectacus>joseph: won't the screens power back on if you move the mouse or press the keyboard?
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14:01<conviction>dafuq
14:01<retrospectacus>conviction: /msg nickserv help register
14:02<joseph>retrospectacus, humm, yes, now, I need to buy an USB keyboard =)
14:02<conviction>oh, srry
14:02<conviction>its been so long i dont use irc
14:02<retrospectacus>joseph: how were you planning to operate the machine with the lid closed? ssh from your smartphone?
14:03<retrospectacus>if so, I think the command "DISPLAY=:0 xset -dpms" might turn the screens back on
14:03<joseph>retrospectacus, No, because I have a 20" monitor here, and I think I'll work better with it
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14:03<joseph>I have a desktop working with this monitor, but when I need operate with this other, I use ssh.
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14:06<joseph>retrospectacus, humm, It's nice to know about it. But on this moment I just want to use my laptop like a computer box
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14:07<retrospectacus>well if you want to keep the lid closed, then yeah you'll need another mouse and keyboard, and I *think* the screen will turn itself back on
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14:11<nn_>Hi! anyone using usbmount? just wondering how to pass different options for different file systems with the FS_MOUNTOPTIONS variable
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14:17<nenad>cao
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14:19<joseph>retrospectacus: Yes, but I open Monitors and there's how turn it off again
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14:19<joseph>retrospectacus: I think it'll work like I want. Thenk you
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14:20<retrospectacus>joseph: sorry I lost power there. Great, well try it out, someone will be here to help if you have questions...
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14:22<joseph>retrospectacus, Ok, thank you. Hey, could you explain me this command? "DISPLAY=:0 xset -dpms"
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14:23<retrospectacus>DISPLAY is a environment variable that is :0 for commands run from X, tells programs to "use" that display... over ssh it is not set so that is how to use xset on the existing display from ssh. ''man xset'' for the rest
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14:25<joseph>retrospectacus, Here echo $DISPLAY returns ":0.0" nice. Thank you
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14:26<retrospectacus>yeah. if you log in with ssh and echo $DISPLAY it is nothing and running an X program will give an error like "cannot open display: "
14:27<retrospectacus>but you can do e.g. DISPLAY=:0 xmessage hi
14:27<retrospectacus>to run xmessage with that variable set to :0
14:27<retrospectacus>the .0 part is optional, I've found
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14:31<joseph>retrospectacus, Thank you. I have an USB mouse, and a PS2 Keyboard. I'll buy an adapter for it
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14:47<saulotoledo>I'm here to thanks kop and blast007 by the help yesterday. I'm was with a mysql slow problem at chroot environment, they told me about dns resolution issue. After activate the option skip-name-resolve at my.cnf all is working perfectily! Really thanks!
14:48<retrospectacus>!congratulate saulotoledo
14:48<dpkg>Good show saulotoledo, you did it!
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14:50<VictorAlpha>yo all :)
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14:51<Calinou>hi
14:51<VictorAlpha>iam runnign debian 5 on an obsolete 600mhz Alpha machine :)
14:52<Calinou>!obit retrospectacus
14:52<Calinou>VictorAlpha, why 5
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14:52*Calinou is running testing amd64
14:52<VictorAlpha>There isn't 6 for alpha :)
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14:52<VictorAlpha>its a digital persenal workstation 600a :)
14:54<retrospectacus>VictorAlpha: if you're looking for lenny sources, /msg dpkg lenny sources.list
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14:55<VictorAlpha>i found the sources on debian archive :)
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14:55<retrospectacus>good show
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14:56<VictorAlpha>retrospectacus, iam runnign xfce
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14:56<VictorAlpha>its a bit slow but it works
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14:58<retrospectacus>VictorAlpha: hmm cool, but this is a support channel. Do you have a support question? If you just want to chat, please go to #debian-offtopic
14:59<VictorAlpha>ok i just clicked in xchat on the debian irc to test it :)
14:59<VictorAlpha>and i dont have questions :)
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15:08<houms>anyone using bacula admin console can help me with where to find the settings http://www.mail-archive.com/bacula-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06507.html
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15:10<sney>houms: I'd ask in #bacula on freenode
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15:15<houms>thanks currently in there now trying to get it squared away, but the latest debian 5.2 version basically disabled the version browser for the brestore utility which is severly broken. now it seems that restores via the admin console do not work and basically hang the program.
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15:15<houms>sney do you know how to restart multiple services at once say bacula-fd and bacula-sd
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15:28<retrospectacus>houms: just use & in bash to run tasks in parallel: service bacula-fd restart & service bacula-sd restart
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15:29<retrospectacus>though, this may actually be a bad idea
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15:31<houms>bacula admin console is shot to hell. not sure what they did in the new version but it is severly fubar'ed
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15:40<crashod>how can i edit the grub boot menu to delete a entry in debian amd64 6.0.5
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15:42<retrospectacus>crashod: vi /etc/default/grub
15:42<retrospectacus>and then update-grub
15:42<retrospectacus>crashod: $EDITOR /etc/default/grub
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15:44<retrospectacus>oh I think to delete just rm the files from /boot/ and update-grub
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15:46<crashod>okay thanks, when i installed kernel 3.2 it somehow also tried to install 3.4.4 but it does not work
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15:47<mornfall>Evening folks. Anyone with an idea how to compile C++11 on squeeze?
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15:49<crashod>retrospectacus: thanks so much
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15:51<suprit>ping
15:51<pparadis>!ask
15:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:51<pparadis>suprit: do not PM people. ask your question here.
15:52<suprit>how to use irc
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15:52<saulotoledo>hello! I have some issues with Samba 3.6 with Linux and WIn7 clients. I saw now the machine accounts have passwords, and client send his password to the server to allow connection. If I remove the password at server, I receive errors. My problems: 1) I'm trying put a linux machine as client, but I receive the error "_netr_ServerAuthenticate2: failed to get machine password for account...
15:52<saulotoledo>...LINUXPC$: NT_STATUS_NONE_MAPPED" 2) I can't add the Win7 machine manually at my database because this password as I could do with WinXP clients. How can I solve them?
15:52<houms>is there a aptitude or apt-get equivalent to yum --exclude=php\* update
15:52<saulotoledo>ooops, sorry! was to debian-next
15:52<pparadis>!tell suprit about irc tutorial
15:53<saulotoledo>!tell saulotoledo about irc tutorial
15:53<retrospectacus>houms: pinning
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15:54<houms>does aptitude hold package-foo do the same ?
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15:54<houms>if so how do i unhold a package
15:54<suprit>thanx i ll look it
15:54<houms>aptitude hold seems to work
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15:54<retrospectacus>houms: yes but "hold" is only known by aptitude (not apt-get or synaptic etc)
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15:55<houms>so retro as long as I use aptitude only then that should not be a problem but if using apt-get then pinning is the only way?
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15:55<houms>retro how do i tell aptitude to unhold
15:55<houms>?
15:56<retrospectacus>dunno. man aptitude
15:56<retrospectacus>pinning is probably best
15:59<sney>houms: with 'aptitude unhold', surprisingly enough
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16:05<houms>lol doh!
16:05<houms>thanks guys
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16:06<blast007>houms: the aptitude man page lists some syntax under the 'install' action that might help as well
16:07<houms>thanks guys just need to hold bacula-console-qt because 5.0.x works 5.2.x does not.
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16:15<Ysgrammor>suprit you need to put /join in front of the channel
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16:31<stripe>hi all, xubuntu 12.04 64bit, fresh install, installed "nvidia-current" from synaptic (gts450 card) still screen tearing and has now stopped the sound working, any ideas? thanks
16:31<pparadis>!ubuntu
16:31<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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16:32<stripe>pparadis, sorry I thought it autoconnected to Ubuntu
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16:47<saulotoledo>\/etc\/fstab is mapping user to uid 0 with smbfs. What is wrong? The user is forced at samba and his name is "arquivos". At log I see "connect to service Web initially as user arquivos (uid=0, gid=1003) (pid 11544)". Windows machines accept the correct UID.
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17:09<diederik>Is it me or hasn't anyone spoken/written here in the last 20 mins?
17:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 515] by debhelper
17:10<Ysgrammor>diederik: We're just using invisible pixels
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17:10<heikkila>diederik, noone wanted support for Debian for the latest 20 minutes
17:10<retrospectacus>diederik: it's the secret /nodiederik command
17:11<heikkila>oh, and that too ofc
17:11<diederik>ah ok, that works too. My internet connection isn't working too well and not seeing any msg here for 20 mins seemed odd
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17:11<diederik>and LOL
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17:11<retrospectacus>naw... the silence can go for hours... debian is that good ;)
17:12<Ysgrammor>Europe mostly went to sleep or went for dinner
17:12<diederik>that is true
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17:13<Ysgrammor>the windows channel is full of "I put my coffee in the holder and now my computer is broken!"
17:13*Ysgrammor gets back on topic
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17:13<diederik>still not going over there :P
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17:14<Ysgrammor>diederik: I don't know if it even exists tbh
17:14<retrospectacus>yeah windows problems... "something effed up" "reboot" "didn't work" "no idea then"
17:14<Ysgrammor>even better: format C:\ then install Debian
17:15*Dr_O chuckles
17:16<retrospectacus>no need to format. burn debian and pull the plug ;)
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17:17<diederik>good to see all is alive and well here ;)
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17:18<Dr_O>I have made a small patch to the debian firewall uif to make it an ipv6 only firewall... http://bugs.debian.org/679744 any comments or code welcome!
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17:20<Ysgrammor>does anyone know if there id a font in the repos that has east asian unicode characters that show in urxvt without setting letterspace to anything larger than 2?
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17:21<Ysgrammor>for further info: MPH 2B Damase has the characters I want but I either have to set it at much less the size of my primary font or set letterspace to 4 or 6
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17:44<bibche>hellow masters
17:44<bibche>i add my source.list from debgen.simplylinux.ch but i can not install synaptic , how i can install it?
17:44<Ysgrammor>sudo apt-get install synaptic
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17:45<bibche>loll
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17:48<bibche>Ysgrammor, tnx rebooting
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17:48<Ysgrammor>:|
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17:48<Ysgrammor>acshuly is dolan
17:49<diederik>hmm rebooting ... this is the windows channel after all? :P
17:49<Ysgrammor>gooby pls
17:49<Ysgrammor>everyone knows you have to reboot after you install each package
17:49<retrospectacus>I think that debgen thing is strongly *not* recommended also
17:49<Ysgrammor>3 reboots for a dist-upgrade
17:50<Ysgrammor>yeah it gives slightly incorrect information
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17:50<Ysgrammor>I usually check whats-his-faces massive sources list
17:51<Apollo>Ysgrammor: you're an ass
17:51<Ysgrammor>how so?
17:51<Apollo>also: what's wrong with debgen?
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17:52<Apollo>you couldve told him synaptic is apt
17:53<Apollo>and that it is installed by default
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17:53<Ysgrammor>it's not if you choose alternate desktop
17:54<Ysgrammor>or install minimal and don't install your desktop from a task metapackage
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17:55<Ysgrammor>Last time I installed using the alternate desktop image (Wheezy has these I haven't checked for Squeeze) and went with xfce - synaptic wasn't there
17:55<Ysgrammor>he wanted synaptic - I assumed he didn't have it installed for whatever reason
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17:55<Apollo>now, whats wrong with debgen
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17:56<Ysgrammor>I've seen a couple of times it listed defunct mirrors
17:56<Ysgrammor>(admittedly this was fixed within a couple of days)
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17:57<Ysgrammor>also it no longer removes security repo options if you choose Sid
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17:57<Ysgrammor>and it seems to let you generate a "full" sources lsit with only experimental
17:57<Ysgrammor>which is misleading for new users
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17:58<Ysgrammor>and they have the old url for debmultimedia
17:58<Apollo>aight, thx ;)
17:58<Ysgrammor>:p
17:59<Ysgrammor>I'll lay off <enter> now
17:59<Ysgrammor>actually gotta o
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18:15<yogi_>hi
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18:15<retrospectacus>hello
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18:17<yogi_>whoami
18:17<retrospectacus>yogi
18:17<yogi_>yes!
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18:18<retrospectacus>what do I win?
18:18<yogi_>a cookie!
18:18*retrospectacus *munch*
18:18<retrospectacus>yogi_: do you have a debian support question?
18:19<yogi_>sorry, no, testing out xchat =x
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18:37<Some_Person>Is it possible to regenerate /etc/fstab?
18:38<Some_Person>The UUIDs in it are all wrong now
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18:39<Some_Person>Actually, everything in fstab is wrong now
18:41<retrospectacus>Some_Person: I don't think so... it's not usually too hard to fix though
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18:47<babilen>Some_Person: "blkid" or "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" might help ... Your backups probably come in handy as well now.
18:48<babilen>Some_Person: What else is wrong? What happened between "then" and "now"?
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18:48<Some_Person>I'm attempting to switch VPS providers without reinstalling anything
18:48<Some_Person>I got the system to boot at least
18:49<babilen>Some_Person: Ok - You most definitely need to adjust UUIDs to the actual values now (but why did they change? aren't these the same filesystems?)
18:50<Some_Person>New filesystem
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19:01<sean>does anyone know how I would go about uninstalling a theme from grub? Is it as simple as deleting the themes folder from boot/grub/themes/x or is there something else?
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19:34<ilyass>hey
19:34<retrospectacus>hi
19:35<dvs>bye!
19:35<retrospectacus>:D
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19:37<dvs>!next
19:37<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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19:46<gotmynick>someone knows if emdebian is for i386 and what are the minimal requirements ?
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19:56<abrotman>gotmynick: they have a website, and a channel
19:57<gotmynick>I got an answer on my needs on #debconf-talkroom1, thanks
19:58<abrotman>ok
19:58<txomon|home>what I have to do to install a theme? I have been searching for themes, and have get to gnome-look.org
19:59<gotmynick>txomon|home, depend, as plain user it is usually $HOME/.themes or $HOME/.icons
19:59<txomon|home>but now, I don't know how to install it, neither know why there is not an archive mounter... may I install it on my own?
19:59<gotmynick>what is for your theme ?
20:00<gotmynick>gtk, gnome, icons, screensaver, ... ?
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20:00<txomon|home>well, no idea :(
20:00<txomon|home>it is one of the very first times I install debian, and use gnome out of ubuntu
20:01<txomon|home>so I am badly taught
20:01<gotmynick>you can try to mkdir "$HOME/.themes" and copy it into
20:01<gotmynick>if it's a compressed file, maybe you need to extract it
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20:02<gotmynick>and then try to select such theme and see if it appears on the list
20:02<txomon|home>but, why debian doesn't come with one installed by default?
20:02<txomon|home>I have a very square corners etc.
20:03<gotmynick>mmm it comes with one, maybe you're lacking something from your previous auto-configured-environment
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20:04<gotmynick>in fluxbox I use "composite" for shadows, etc... really don't know too much howto make a "pretty" gnome
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20:04<txomon|home>I have _really_ nothing. No theme etc.
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20:05<txomon|home>I am going to delete .gconf...
20:05<txomon|home>or is there a smarter or better way to reset the DE?
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20:07<txomon|home>coming back in a while
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20:10<dvs>that's fast
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20:12<txomon|home>didn't work... It seems there is something wrong with this ;(
20:12<txomon|home>I get a very strange appearance
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20:13<Nemoder>is there anything like xbmc in debian stable?
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20:14<txomon|home>for example the terminal has a black back (no idea in English) with black letters over it
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20:14<txomon|home>and I just installed debian squeezy and upgraded to wheezy
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20:15<txomon|home>maintaining the user home I had in ubuntu
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20:19<sney>txomon|home: if you kept your /home directory from your ubuntu installation, it kept all of your software settings too.... some of which won't be compatible, especially gnome3/unity stuff.
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20:19<sney>I would just create a new user and copy the files over that you need
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20:20<txomon|home>sney, I erased _everything_ in the configs i did a rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity
20:20<alfplayer>txomon|home: .config?
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20:20<gotmynick>some apps use .local too
20:20<txomon|home>ok, will erase those two too
20:21*gotmynick loves a black background temrinal after years of transparency
20:21<gotmynick>*terminal
20:21<pparadis>gotmynick: me too :)
20:21<txomon|home>yes I nearly do too
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20:21<pparadis>my editors are all black backgrounds for the last few years, too.
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20:21<txomon|home>comming back after relogging in
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20:23<gotmynick>doing a new user was really a good advise
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20:24<txomon|home>well, problem solved
20:24<gotmynick>\o/
20:24<txomon|home>this seems better. Ctrl+alt+[f1..f6] is what I usually use...
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20:25<txomon|home>and in this case, seems nearly ... human
20:25<gotmynick>tty depends a bit on hardware nowadays
20:25<gotmynick>the aspect
20:26<txomon|home>yes, but I usually configure it allright
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20:27<txomon|home>vga=784 usually does it (I remember the 78, the 4 I am not too sure)
20:27<txomon|home>now my terminal is black over white ;D
20:29<gotmynick>I hoppe you didn't loose something important on that deleted dirs
20:29<gotmynick>like cheese webcam shots, or something like
20:29<txomon|home>chrome sync and... nothing more, my most preciated value are my .ssh folder and... I think my VMs
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20:29<txomon|home>any way I have backups
20:29<txomon|home>so no problem
20:29<gotmynick>backups++
20:30*txomon|home has remembered to install duplicity or deja-dup
20:31*gotmynick uses a home-made fork of rsnapshot
20:32<gotmynick>but no windows, osx, solaris, bsd, etc support in my version
20:34<txomon|home>now, deja-dup windows displays white letters over nearly white...
20:34<txomon|home>this is just horrible
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20:37*txomon|home has gnome-shell running in high contrast to see something ... and is going #gnome to ask
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20:55*txomon|home is still getting nut, so he is going bed. bb!
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21:03<txomon|home>this is just fantastic. cheese crashes with a segment fault. just installed it :( definetly going to sleep. if someone wants here is what it prints
21:03<txomon|home>http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1085486/
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21:52<pedro>OI
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21:53<dvs>????
21:53<abrotman>indeed
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22:23<legume>er i'm kinda new to this but aren't people supposed to be talking?
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22:23<haylo>we are all studying
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22:24<haylo>did you have a debian related question? perhaps one of the ops or devs here can help you, legume
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22:25<legume>right now, I'm just testing out IRC, since I haven't used it before
22:25<nevyn>this channel being quiet is unusual
22:26<legume>I was a little surprised that in a channel of 470 ppl, nobody was saying anything
22:27<haylo>its sort of like a hall of linux gods, you dont really talk unless you have a real question or realization
22:27<haylo>also there is debian-offtopic
22:28<haylo>thats where the party is
22:29<legume>i see
22:29<haylo>do you really ^^
22:31<salamander>I used to have problems with flash plugins. Now I still have problems with flash plugins, but different ones. Debian etch, iceweasel 10.0.5, flashplugin-nonfree, was not working, there was a black rectangle instead of a video in youtube for example. Tired of trying and looking in google, I installed google chrome. Flash works in chrome, but there is a very high cpu usage that make it almost imposible to watch anything, but it work
22:31<salamander>s. So, what I did was "cp /opt/google/chrome/libgcflashplayer.so /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so" and now iceweasel is using the plugin that comes with chrome and it works. Same extrem high cpu usage, but it works. Conclusion, libflashplayer.so was not working. right?
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22:33<salamander>What I did acutally is "mkdir /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/" then "cp chrome plugin there" then change the plugin name. So iceweasel still see both plugins but I have disabled the one that wasnt working
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22:36<kop>salamander: Your plan should begin with upgrading to lenny and then squeeze, or just re-installing. Etch is out of support, as is lenny. Be sure to follow the release notes for the appropriate release when upgrading.
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22:37<salamander>kop
22:37<salamander>kop, mistake, debian squeeze
22:37<abrotman>i get etch and squeeze confused all the time
22:38<salamander>I do too
22:38<kop>salamander: Ok. I don't know flash. There's a <flash> factoid and a wiki page. That's all I know.
22:38<salamander>I used etch for a couple of years so Im used to write debian etch =)
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22:39<salamander>kop flash is another word for pain.
22:40<salamander>I was just sharing my very bad and brutal solution. I have been bothering people here for about three days now about flash.
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