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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-07-18

---Logopened Wed Jul 18 00:00:25 2012
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02:44<lp>the last iceweasel security advisory recommends upgrading to the 10.0 ESR version - should we use the one in backports or from mozilla.debian.net? what about icedove?
02:44-!-fr33k [~fvb@546B4546.cm-12-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #debian
02:46<lp>never mind, mozilla.debian.net now only provides the backports line for sources.list if you select ESR, the second line disappeared
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02:50<scientes>lp, yes its pretty smart
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02:52<lp>should we switch icedove as well? it does share a large part of its code base with iceweasel, as well - i guess lightning might be a problem
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03:08<n0b2>hello
03:08<n0b2>do i need to install nvidia drivers? xubuntu
03:09<anbe>!xubuntu
03:09<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on chat.freenode.net for support. http://www.xubuntu.org/ See also <based on debian>.
03:10<n0b2>thank you
03:11<happyaron>hi, I'm trying to setup an xcp-xapi server (dom0 is debian), and can use XenCenter to connect now. But when I try to create and start a VM from template, it throughs out errors. On the first startup it says "message: the device disappeared from xenstore", from the second time it says "Error parameters: File "/usr/lib/xcp/lib/pygrub.xcp", line 814, in <module>, fs = fsimage.open(file, part_offs[0], bootfsoptions), IOError: [Errno 95] Operation not suppor
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03:25<vasco>.j archlinuxpl
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06:22<gitesh>Hi
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06:29<o0u>Hey there, my debian server (wheezy) occasionally partly freezes.. I cant connect (or ping it), usb devices (keyboard) are not working...
06:29<o0u>Still things like ejecting the cd/dvd drive work and there is some hdd operation going on..
06:29<o0u>Anybody an idea where to search for the root of the problem?
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06:29<o0u>havent found anything useful in kern.log etc..
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06:30<o0u>just TCP Peer unexpectedly shrunk window
06:30<xuwei>HI
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06:30<xuwei>Anyone?
06:31<xuwei>?
06:31<Maulkin>!ask
06:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:49<nocturnal>trying to google something but having trouble finding the english word. what do you call a kiosk computer by other names?
06:49<nocturnal>one that is locked down to for example browser
06:50<nocturnal>or a presentation
06:50<nocturnal>if anyone has any good pointers on building one of those with debian, please share
06:50<themill>"kiosk mode" is the only way I've come across for this
06:51<ectospasm>info booth, or hut could also work
06:51<nocturnal>booth! thank you
06:51<nocturnal>that was the word I was looking for
06:51<nocturnal>presentation booth
06:52<ectospasm>although kiosk is probably the most proper term for what you want
06:52<Nik05>hey guys
06:52<Nik05>i have a micro sd card and when i insert it in the computer linux doesnt see it
06:52<Nik05>when i keep it there and reboot linux finds it
06:53<nocturnal>yes I suppose. and either way it seems I can't find anything good on google. my personal roadmap for this would be to use ion3 (simply because I have experience with it) which would put a browser in full screen and disable all ion3 shortcuts.
06:53<Nik05>how can i find the card without rebooting?
06:53<nocturnal>you can force a scan of storage controllers
06:53<Nik05>ok how do i do that?
06:53<nocturnal>http://rackerhacker.com/2009/04/23/re-scan-the-scsi-bus-in-linux-after-hot-swapping-a-drive/ one example
06:54<nocturnal>top result on google
06:54<nocturnal>you'll have to find the correct host controller
06:54<Nik05>:)
06:54<nocturnal>which is like trial and error
06:54<Nik05>ok thanks
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06:54<jm_>scsitools package has rescan-scsi-bus.sh tool
06:55<Nik05>thanks
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06:58<Nik05>rescan doesnt work :(
06:58<nocturnal>I'd see what the logs say about discovering this SD card at boot. pastebin it
06:59<jm_>if it's usb card reader try reattaching it
07:03<Nik05>kernel says [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
07:03<Nik05>but fdisk doesnt show sdb
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07:13<Nik05>this should be correct, right? `[ 3754.091987] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk'
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07:13<Nik05>but fdisk finds nothing at /dev/sdb
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07:14<sven_>cat /proc/partitions
07:14<Nik05>its not there...
07:14<sven_>any trace of a disconnect message in dmesg, then?
07:14<Nik05>no
07:15<streuner__>Nik05: did you try to restart udev?
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07:16<Nik05>doesnt work
07:16<Nik05>oh i did `service udev --full-restart' and that worked
07:16<Nik05>just restart didnt
07:17<jm_>there must be some other message related to sdb disapperance then
07:18<Nik05>so why does it only work when i stop and start udev?
07:20<Nik05>when i unplug i get [ 4200.385612] usb 1-6: USB disconnect, device number 9
07:20<Nik05>but nothing like that when its plugged in
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07:21<Nik05>well thanks guys
07:21<Nik05>see you later
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07:24<Nik05>oh i also get errors now
07:25<Nik05>[ 4561.496150] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 123388
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07:25<Nik05>so i think card is broken right? :P
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07:29<Nik05>what is a good program to check for broken card?
07:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 508] by debhelper
07:30<ectospasm>Nik05: see if it works OK in another machine
07:30<ectospasm>...different reader if possible
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07:30<Nik05>ok
07:31<ectospasm>also, try reader+SD card combo on another machine, see if it exhibits the same behavior
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07:32<Nik05>ok thanks i will try
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07:42<enekoos>hello
07:43<enekoos>I try install private graphic drivers from ati and log say it: fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers. /lib/modules/3.2.0-3-rt-686-pae/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system.
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07:43<enekoos>how I can resolve it? use debian wenzy
07:44<Guest91>enekoos: try "sudo aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`" without the double quotes.
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07:44<enekoos>thanks I go :)
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07:46<enekoos>thanks Work correct :)
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07:46<sagar>enekoos: no mention...
07:46<enekoos>I go to reboot
07:46<enekoos>:)
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07:47<DJSalkin>hi
07:47<Calinou>hi
07:47<DJSalkin>english?
07:47<devil>yes
07:47<DJSalkin>ok
07:48<DJSalkin>i just wanted to try the xchat :D sorry
07:48<DJSalkin>bye
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08:10<Calinou>lol
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08:22<raj_28>how to convert deb to rpm
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08:27<eebrah>raj_28: alien?
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08:29<sagar>!alien
08:29<dpkg>it has been said that alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to Debian, Debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc. http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/
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08:30<enekoos>hello
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08:31<sagar>enekoos: hi
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08:31<laarmen>Hi. Is there a consistent way to disable daemons in Debian, no matter what the init or the daemon are ?
08:31<enekoos>sagar, Driver work correct but watermark not disapear :/
08:32<sagar>enekoos: Could you be more specific?
08:33<enekoos>I try install one time in "testing" and put watermak in screen "AMD Testing use only", try to resolve it and install headers, install driver ok but watermark not disapear
08:33<enekoos>I look google for resolve but don't see anything
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08:40<enekoos>I see it http://areyoueye.net/?p=187
08:40<enekoos>go to probe, thanks :)
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08:43<abrotman>laarmen: update-rc.d ?
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08:44<bzed>laarmen: consistent.. unfortunately not. even update-rc.d is kinda buggy and you don't know if it will be back after an upgrade
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08:45<bzed>laarmen: I usually add an exit 0 on top of th init script..
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08:48<SynrG>bzed: cite specific bug#s?
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08:52<laarmen>I was wondering because of the n-m thread on d-devel@l.d.o, someone suggested that people "simply" disable n-m.
08:53<themill>"update-rc.d disable foo" works in all cases I know of
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08:53<abrotman>laarmen: why disable it ?
08:54<laarmen>Disable it instead of using hacks such as dpkg --force-depends to get rid of it.
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08:55<abrotman>laarmen: there's a conf file to disable it
08:55<laarmen>My question is mostly theoretical, n-m works fine for me :-)
08:55<abrotman>ah okay
08:55<ring0>if Xorg is started, does it create or write files in other directories than ~ of the user, who started it?
08:56<laarmen>ring0: There's probably some stuff in /tmp too.
08:57<ring0>laarmen, ok, is not a problem, since it gets emptied each reboot
08:58<themill>also /var/log
08:59<ring0>i was also wondering if starting Xorg as root would mess up the users configuration?
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09:18<giubbo>ciaoooo
09:18<giubbo>!list
09:18<dpkg>giubbo: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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09:30<DeVelox>why have I ended up with over 1.5gb of modules while compiling a kernel? or rather, how come official debian packages haven't? I've used the config from /boot but surely I'm missing something...
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09:40<bipul>how to open port 4444
09:40<bipul>any one
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09:42<abrotman>k/win 3
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10:17<bluenemo>hi guys, i'm an admin for a ruby on rails devel business, i wanted to ask what tools you would recommend for analyzing usage of our websites, like the country ppl come from, browser used, and so on
10:17<gdb>Doesn't webalizer do that?
10:18<bluenemo>i dont know, i was looking for the most used / supported / 'liked' tool :)
10:18<bluenemo>i'll google for that one
10:18<gdb>I think it does! Not 100% positive, though. But I'd start there if you're not interested in becoming a customer of google analytics (which I think has become a bit of an industry standard).
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10:19<bluenemo>well i'm not exactly interested in that no ;)
10:19<gdb>bluenemo: Once you install it, there may be some minor config to make its output available, but it provides reporting in a web page.
10:19<gdb>:-)
10:20<gdb>It runs out of cron IIRC
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10:20<bluenemo>ah ok. i just read it reads the log files of stuff... maybe i should look for something specific for nginx & rails
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10:20<bluenemo>or if there are plugins
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10:22<abrotman>webalizer does do that .. it's not the greatest, but it does it
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10:35<bluenemo>abrotman, have you got another tool?
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10:45<abrotman>bluenemo: for what? refresh my memory
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10:49<bluenemo>for web analytics (like awstats and stuff) abrotman
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10:57<abrotman>bluenemo: oh .. did you apt-cache search ?
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10:58<abrotman>bluenemo: apt-cache search web statistics
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10:58<bluenemo>i did yes ;) however i need something that (already) plays well with rails, and that is somewhat limited... currently thinking about google
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11:00<bluenemo>do any of you guys use google analytics? i know its evil :/ but well it can do a lot..
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11:01<abrotman>i know nothing about tracking rails stuff .. but webalyzer worked decently well for apache stuff/win 1
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11:04<petemc>what difference does it make that it's rails?
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11:09<bluenemo>log files are different - which shouldnt be a problem petemc. i just took a deeper look into google and think i'll start by evaluating that first. after that i'll look into awstats and webalyzer. thank you for your help guys!
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11:22<andres>Does anybody happen to know a commandline program for fsyncing files? Or possibly for safe renames?
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11:22<andres>(i.e. write(tempfile); fsync(tempfile), fsync(directory); rename(tempfile, realfile); fsync(realfile))
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11:35<ifilgueiras>what is the best way to make gtk apps look good in wheezy's kde?
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11:37<sney>ifilgueiras: I'd ask in #debian-kde
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12:12<zeko-Pk61LY>sqlut
12:12<zeko-Pk61LY>salut
12:13<felipe>boa tarde
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12:13<felipe>alguem sabe como recuperar a interface grafica do ubuntu 12.04
12:13<felipe>nao consigo iniciar o unity
12:13<gnugr>!es
12:13<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:14<felipe>gracias
12:15<zeko-Pk61LY>salutest ce au4il ya auelau un aui peu ;aider a utiliser ce logiciel
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12:53<mike8>hey guys, i've just installed ubuntu on my laptop because of a video problem with debian, and i was wondering if you have any idea how did they fuck this up in ubuntu 12 - the search feature - i need to edit this setting somewhere - it needs constant Esc button pressing
12:53<Maulkin>mike8: you may want to ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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12:54<mike8>example, if i write 'fol' in nautilus to find a folder called folder - i need to press escape for a new search
12:54<mike8>after i click the folder
12:54<mike8>or in firefox, after ctrl F and i write something, after clicking the page, the search bar stays there
12:54<mike8>really annoying
12:55<mike8>how did they modify this from debian ? or is it a standard debian testing feature?
12:55<Maulkin>mike8: Ask ubuntu
12:55<M-T>FUSE, MTPFS, ANDROID DEVICE MOUNT, (Debian Squeeze, Acer A500 with flexreaper RF1) -- Hello Everybody, looking for somebody to fix a issue while mounting a Android device under Debian. -- Error when mount from console "Transport endpoint is not connected".
12:55<mike8>i'm asking here
12:55<M-T>Does anyone have and directions for me!?
12:55<mike8>read what i asked
12:55<Maulkin>!ubuntu mike8
12:55<dpkg>mike8: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
12:55<mike8>it's not ubuntu related
12:55<mike8>stfu
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12:56<Maulkin>mike8: bye now.
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12:58<M-T>FUSE, MTPFS, ANDROID DEVICE MOUNT, (Debian Squeeze, Acer A500 with flexreaper RF1) -- Hello Everybody, looking for help on a reproducible issue while mounting a Android device under Debian. -- Error when mount from console "Transport endpoint is not connected".
12:58<M-T>Does anyone have and directions for me!?
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12:59<blast007>M-T: posting it again 3 minutes later isn't going to speed up a response
12:59<M-T>I get the mount working when I do it as root but this is surely not wanted ....
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13:00<M-T>blast007: keep your breath for something usefull ;) ...
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13:01<Maulkin>M-T: That's not likely to get people to want to help you...
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13:02<Maulkin>M-T: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/multimedia/460626-usb-file-transfer-motorola-xoom-3.html may have some useful info in. Otherwise, try google, or debian-users@lists.debian.org
13:03<M-T>Maulkin, I just saw how you talk to people ... that was not nice! If you do not have to say anything then just keep your words for yourself! People like to answer they do ...!!!
13:03<xk00zx>Hey I'm having problems getting my Broadcom4312 wireless card working on my netbook - followed the wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy) and I can't pick up any wireless networks. I'm really new at linux/debian however, so its probably something stupid - anyone got a minute?
13:03<M-T>... but if all have the attitude like you ... then there will be no help at all thats right ;) ... and I'm not the first time here! Thats my 5 cents ... and I will not feed the trolls ;) ....
13:03<Maulkin>M-T: You're joking, right? I was nothing but polite. Being told to f*** o** you f**** c*** in a priv message doesn't help.
13:05<Maulkin>xk00zx: possibly... is there any particular stage that's failing?
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13:06<xk00zx>Maulkin: no it all went through smoothly... i didn't notice any errors/failed messages
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13:06<Maulkin>xk00zx: Can you pastebin the output of 'dmesg' please?
13:06<xk00zx>Maulkin: on a different computer - is there a specific line you were looking for that I can type?
13:07<Maulkin>xk00zx: Well, anything to do with broadcom/b43 etc...
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13:07<Maulkin>xk00zx: Possibly something to do with firmware...
13:08<Maulkin>xk00zx: And also would be good to see the output of step 5.
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13:08<Maulkin>xk00zx: (see the troubleshooting section)
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13:09<xk00zx>Maulkin: roger - and yes I do have an error - "firmware file "b43/uconde15.fw" and "b43-open/ucode15.fw" not found, then it gives me a website to visit.
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13:10<Maulkin>xk00zx: Ok, it seems that you don't have the firmware installed. Check that you've done stage 3 of that page correctly.
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13:10<xk00zx>Maulkin: willdo - afk for a minute.
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13:10<xk00zx>Maulkin: and thank you very much.
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13:10<Maulkin>xk00zx: no problems.
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13:11<abrotman>Maulkin: my gosh, you're horrible .. or something :)
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13:11<Maulkin>abrotman: Yeah. And not giving people unblocks or anythign.
13:12<abrotman>How could you ..
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13:14<rabies>whats the name of the command that gives you info about the distro version and such? its not uname...
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13:15<Maulkin>cat /etc/debian_version
13:15<rabies>nvm, found it
13:15<rabies>lsb_release -a
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13:16<jhoncamargo>buenas
13:17<jhoncamargo>Soy nuevo en esto del xchat espero encontrar una buena forma de resolver mis dudas
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13:17<Maulkin>!es
13:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:25<xk00zx>Maulkin: I think I just needed a reboot - i reinstalled that firmware a couple times, logged out/in, but I didn't see networks until i rebooted - is there a command I could have done to accomplish this without bringing the entire computer down?
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13:28<Maulkin>xk00zx: You could try "modprobe -r [modulename]" and then "modprobe [modulename]"
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13:29<xk00zx>Maulkin: good one for me to file for later - I can view networks but not connect to to them - I probably jacked something up in troubleshooting... *sigh* still poking around though to see if I can't fix it myself.
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13:37<xk00zx>Maulkin: ok, about the only thing I did that I think wasn't undone was install WICD (i was seeing if another manager could view networks) - i removed the package, and Im pretty sure I fixed /etc/network/interfaces, but I have not removed my user from the netdev group - would that matter for not being able to connect wifi?
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13:38<adityamenon>Hi :)
13:38<Maulkin>xk00zx: shouldn't do...
13:38<ribe>hi all
13:38<adityamenon>I just downloaded the firefox .tar.gz pack
13:39<adityamenon>and extracted it... but opening it shows Iceweasel so I `aptitude remove iceweasel`
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13:39<adityamenon>now, extracting it in the Downloads folder and opening might work
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13:39<adityamenon>but I'm wondering if there is a 'proper' place in Linux to do it?
13:39<adityamenon>like C:/Program Files/
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13:39<adityamenon>usr/bin/ something?
13:40<xk00zx>Maulkin: ok well i'm about 95% sure I didn't jack up the wifi (there is that possibility) - its just looping the connecting icon, asking for the WPA2 pass about every 20-30 seconds - ideas?
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13:40<gnugr>adityamenon:iceweasel is firefox, why you want to remove it?
13:40<adityamenon>just experimenting..
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13:41<adityamenon>It *is* working from the /Downloads folder
13:41<adityamenon>I guess it's portable...
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13:43<adityamenon>gnugr, can you also please answer my question?
13:43<gnugr>abityamenon:its a bad idea to remove iceweasel
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13:45<adityamenon>okay, let's drop this question of firefox vs. iceweasel - if I were to get another program similar to this in the future, is there a 'right place' to extract it?
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13:46<retrospectacus>adityamenon: your home folder or a directory in it like ~/programs would be fine... then symbolic links in ~/bin/ to the executables
13:46<retrospectacus>that will install it for just your user
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13:46<adityamenon>thanks! so I need to create both the bin and programs folder inside my user account
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13:46<retrospectacus>sure
13:47<retrospectacus>~/bin is automatically added to your PATH if it exists
13:47<adityamenon>nice!
13:47<adityamenon>I can just launch firefox from any terminal anywhere...
13:47<adityamenon>oh, oops, any program in my path
13:47<adityamenon>(not firefox)
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14:02<xk00zx>bleh. going to call it for the day - have work to do. thanks again Maulkin.
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14:06<bch>Do I have to worry about this load: 20:05:04 up 1 day, 6:23, 5 users, load average: 28.39, 28.31, 28.00
14:06<retrospectacus>yes
14:06<retrospectacus>unless yuo have 32 cores, and then probably
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14:07<bch>I think this is a bug. I dont know where, but the machine feels very responsive
14:07<retrospectacus>it means every task that starts, has to wait for 28 tasks to be run before it gets a core.
14:07<bch>and i cant see any processes which eats up cpu time
14:07<retrospectacus>check htop for high "wa"
14:07<retrospectacus>err top
14:08<devil>bch: i am having occurances like that frequently and the machine slowly freezes. it is caused by chromium and I don't know exactly where
14:08<devil>bch: after 5 minutes it goes back to normal. htop is not helpful as cpu is low
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14:09<devil>if yours is responsive, thats different I guess
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14:09<bch>Well, I think my problem has something to do with a usb disk. I cant access this disk and since then, my cpu time goes up
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14:10<retrospectacus>ah then no you don't need to worry, "top" should say very high "wa" percent (iowait) which is skewing the load avg.
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14:13<bch>yes, wa has 74 %
14:13<bch>can I fix this without rebooting?
14:14<retrospectacus>sure, unmount and remove the usb stick
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14:16<retrospectacus>check "dmesg" it might have some errors ... that stick may be failing
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14:35<cstamas>hi
14:35<cstamas>can someone help me?
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14:35<retrospectacus>!ask
14:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:35<cstamas>i am looking for an uptodate network installer with firmware included
14:36<abrotman>!tell cstamas about firmware installer
14:36<cstamas>wheezy
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14:36<retrospectacus>!firmware image
14:36<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse
14:36<abrotman>cstamas: doubt it exists
14:36<retrospectacus>cstamas: install squeeze and upgrade
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14:37<abrotman>cstamas: what's wrong with the squeeze one ?
14:37<cstamas>abrotman: I do not want to start upgrading right after the install
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14:38<cstamas>and if I load the image remotely (service processor) mounting a second image is not an option
14:38<abrotman>cstamas: you'll have the same issue with wheezy
14:38<abrotman>why would you have to mount a second image ?
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14:38<sney_>if all you install is the standard system utilities, it is extremely fast to upgrade
14:38<abrotman>fast .. like .. 10 minutes
14:39*cstamas a bit sad, but thx anyways
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14:39<abrotman>other option is to install wheezy, if it works today, and then figure out your firmware
14:39<cstamas>squeeze used to have a firmware included flavour
14:39<sney_>there'll be a firmware image for wheezy when wheezy gets released, maybe a little before
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14:39<abrotman>cstamas: the bot already told you about it
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14:39<sney_>cstamas: yes, it still does, dpkg just linked it
14:40<cstamas>abrotman: the bot includes a broken url
14:40<cstamas>sney_: ^
14:40<sney_>I just clicked both and they work fine here
14:40<abrotman>sorry, it's the link at the end .. but the bot spew above has a correct URL
14:40<sney_>maybe your irc client isn't parsing part of it?
14:40<cstamas>http://deb.li/3t
14:40<cstamas>^
14:40<abrotman>see above ..;
14:40<cstamas>this is broken for me
14:41<abrotman>oay
14:41<abrotman>okay
14:41<sney_>I see http://deb.li/3tGse there
14:41<abrotman>!tell cstamas about firmware images
14:41<abrotman>cstamas: follow the cdimage.debian.org URL
14:41<cstamas>now the url is ok
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14:43<cstamas>thx this is it http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_alpha1/amd64/iso-cd/
14:43<retrospectacus>we know
14:43<retrospectacus>good luck :)
14:44<M-T>FUSE, MTPFS, ANDROID DEVICE MOUNT, (Debian Squeeze, Acer A500 with flexreaper RF1) -- Hello Everybody, looking for help on a reproducible issue while mounting a Android device under Debian. -- Error when mount from console "Transport endpoint is not connected".
14:44<cstamas>thx
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14:46<sney_>M-T: have you verified that the usb cable is good?
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14:54<M-T><sney_> not related to the cable just double checked!
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14:55<retrospectacus>M-T: maybe not the answer you're looking for but I never connect my droid to a PC by usb, I use the "airdroid" app :)
14:55<sney_>ok, when you connect it does your android device recognize the computer, i.e. does it ask to turn on usb storage?
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14:56<M-T><sney_> Yes it gets recognized both ways ... but when mounting from a user I get this problem. Wiredly enough it works while mounting from root!
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14:56<sney_>oh, well that's probably just a permissions issue then
14:56<abrotman>that's some awful nicktab
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14:59<M-T><sney_> For me its not "JUST" a permission problem ;) .... have you got some troubleshoot directions for me pls.?
14:59<sney_>try using pmount
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15:00<M-T><sney_> I have checked already a lots of links but non was helping. There where as well some which had to do with rights but I did not help.
15:00<M-T>!pmount
15:00<dpkg>pmount ("policy mount") is an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks; e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1 (no superuser requirement, no need to create a mount point). You will need to be in the <plugdev> group, but you'll know that from reading /usr/share/doc/pmount/README.Debian.
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15:01<M-T><sney_> Is this the automounter tool which is used in debian when I plugin a usb-stick!?
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15:01<sney_>there are a few different "automounter tools" and at no point did you say you were trying to use one. you said you were unable to mount in console
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15:03<M-T>I neither automounts nor mounts from a user shell. As I don't know what is used to automount when you do a standard gnome installation I just asked ;) ...
15:03<M-T>It neither ...
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15:04<sney_>gvfs is the gnome mounter, I'm not sure what the troubleshooting standards are, but I'd start poking around in your home directory's dotfiles for something related to usb storage
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15:07<M-T><sney_> The problem with pmount would be that I do not get a real device name mapped or I misunderstand the line! usb 2-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 20
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16:04<adityamenon>would `rm /dev/sda1 work`?
16:04<adityamenon>:D
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16:04<adityamenon>I'm not brave enough to try it
16:05<TobiX>adityamenon: And then you're missing a device node. Nothing intersting there :)
16:05<adityamenon>Ah... thanks :) So I just reboot and the node comes back? Good idea Linux!
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16:06<TobiX>adityamenon: If you are using udev, yes.
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16:06<TobiX>If all else fails: mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1
16:06<adityamenon>Since I haven't messed with my installation to change the "the device manager for the Linux kernel", I think I will be fine! :)
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16:07<adityamenon>wow, that's good fodder for research thanks...
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16:32<rebli>I want to install from a iso, without burning it; what is the directory hd-media on '/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media' ?
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16:55<raafat>hi man
16:56<retrospectacus>hi raafat
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16:56<raafat>x chat is good
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16:57<petek>hola, soy nuevo por aquí
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16:58<retrospectacus>!es petek
16:58<dpkg>petek: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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17:00<dreamy_>hi can anyone read my messages?
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17:00<diederik>dreamy_: yes
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17:01<dreamy_>can i type a question hardware related? i didnt got much luck questioning in #hardware
17:01<retrospectacus>only if you're running debian.
17:02<diederik>I/We can garantuee an answer, but you can type ;)
17:02<dreamy_>ty
17:02<diederik>s/can/can't
17:02<dreamy_>i got mint
17:02<dreamy_>on a lap
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17:02<retrospectacus>dreamy_: nope... mint is not supported here
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17:04<dreamy_>i like debian, is it has celever has ubuntu?
17:04<dreamy_>clever
17:04<sney_>!tell dreamy_ about introduction
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17:06<dreamy_>im goint to try to paste my question to diederik , whats a tft screen behavior when its locked, a phisical lock with an entrance for a key
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17:07<dreamy_>it could have all sorts of behaviors..
17:07<sney_>I don't understand your question
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17:07<diederik>Me neither and I also wouldn't know why you'd direct that question to me ...
17:08<retrospectacus>dreamy_: you're making very little sense, and since you're not using debian, please do not ask your questions here
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19:21<vook>Any ideas of a method I could use to parse through a file full of ~200 MAC addresses, informing if there are duplicates ?
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19:23<daemonkeeper>Build a tree.
19:24<vook>how would I do that ?
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19:25<vook>I probably should refine that - what if there were 200 MAC addresses in field two, and field one contained various different IP addresses
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19:25<vook>I was curious about either scenario though
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19:26<retrospectacus>vook: awk '{print $2}' your_file |sort | uniq -c
19:26<daemonkeeper>For a population size of n=200 a naive O(n*n) algorithm sounds doable. It's not worth the effort.
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19:27<daemonkeeper>But the O(n*log(n)) solution would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radix_tree
19:28<vook>retrospectacus, daemonkeeper: thanks
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20:10<diederik>I just installed a fresh debian system and now I want to configure exim to send emails to an outside host (my hosting provider). What's the command/keyword for that?
20:12<diederik>sry, already found it
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21:47<MASTERPIECE>nqkoi razbira li ot linux
21:47<MASTERPIECE>da mi pi6e na li4na pls
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21:56<MASTERPIECE>ehooooooooooooooo
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21:57<MASTERPIECE>nqkoi ako razbira ot linux da pi6e na li4na pls
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23:17<MTecknol1gy>so... I upgraded to debian 6 today and so far everything seems great except for samba. When I try to log into a windows box it's saying that the domain isn't available. Any thoughts what specific change would cause this issue?
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23:19<sney>MTecknol1gy: run 'testparm' and look at the settings, any windows networking settings should match the rest of your windows network
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23:26<MTecknol1gy>sney: I just tried using smbclient and got Connection to pdc1.domain.tld failed (Error NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED) checked iptables, made sure nmbd was listening, ran testparm, no love yet
23:26<MTecknol1gy>OH!!
23:26<MTecknol1gy> Connection to LDAP server failed for the 1 try!
23:27<MTecknol1gy>and Failed to issue the StartTLS instruction: Connect error
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23:35<MTecknol1gy>sney: any more debugging thoughts?
23:35<sney>I didn't even understand your reaction to my last suggestion. did you look at what testparm said? all that does is spit your samba settings to terminal in a readable form
23:36<sney>you probably have some garbage domain settings in there that are making samba confused. remember if you use a domain setting in smb.conf, there actually has to be a reachable windows domain controller on the network, it's not like setting a domain in /etc/hosts
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23:36<MTecknol1gy>ya- I looked it over and as far as I can tell it all looks correct
23:37<MTecknol1gy>this server is the domain controller
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23:39<sney>if everything was working fine under lenny then maybe look at the changelog for samba
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23:45<MTecknol1gy>sney: so far nothing's caught my eye. Maybe this could help make clear what this issue looks like - http://dpaste.com/772471/
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23:53<MTecknol1gy>sney: also.. after running for a while and throwing those errors samba just gives up and dies; turning up logging isn't helping me figure it out either...
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