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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-07-22

---Logopened Sun Jul 22 00:00:05 2012
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01:01<leolopez6>hello
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01:16<Kajje>I'm looking for a way to make incremental backups for my config files in bash. Something like my.cnf_0001 my.cnf_0002 my.cnf_0003 - tried to google but cannot find something suitable. Any tips or google query I can try?
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01:22<simonlnu>how about etckeeper (keep your system config in a VCS)? you can then push a copy to a secured location, and you get version tracking for free ;).
01:22<simonlnu>Kajje: ^^
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01:23<Kajje>simonlnu: that seems nice but in my case a little bit overkill. Is there something more basic?
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01:24<simonlnu>overkill? nah. it's pretty much transparent
01:24<simonlnu>you wouldn't even notice most of the time
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01:25<simonlnu>i've been using it over a year
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01:26<simonlnu>there's other ways of doing this, like scripting rsync (pre-made or roll-your-own)
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01:29<Moein>Hello,How can I find a free shell account on a remote machine?
01:29<Moein>Or find invite code for "http://www.insomnia247.nl"?
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01:31*simonlnu sighs
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01:36<Moein>Hello,How can I find a free shell account?
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01:39<ryao>Moein: http://devio.us/
01:40<ryao>Moein: Actually, their signups are still closed.
01:40<Moein>ryao, What can I do?
01:42<ryao>Moein: Install something that can host shell accounts on your own hardware.
01:43<Moein>ryao, but I want to experience it in real?:D
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01:44<simonlnu>ssh to localhost, then you've got a nice shell account ;p
01:44<ryao>nou: I do not know what that means.
01:44<simonlnu>freeshell.org
01:45<ryao>nou: That was meant for Moein.
01:45<ryao>Moein: http://www.rackspace.com/blog/hey-developers-test-drive-openstack-for-free-with-trystack/
01:45<ryao>Moein: Amazon also has something.
01:48<Moein>ryao, Thanks.
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03:01<kanishk>#django
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03:02<zsolt_hun>hello!
03:03<zsolt_hun>installed a webconferencing server called openmeetings.my problem is that if i point to a new meeting room my browser crashes.installed the latest flash plugin
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03:14<graouzelist>hi
03:14<graouzelist>is anybody there?
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03:16<zsolt_hun>i'm here
03:16<zsolt_hun>nobody answers
03:16<zsolt_hun>may I help you?
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05:02<lenovo>help
05:04<lenovo>when i try to login from my admin user and entering the right password it login then logout with out my permition
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05:06<lenovo>would some one help
05:06<s_i_m>lenovo, does that happen on the console?
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05:07<lenovo>the console = terminal ?
05:07<lenovo>you mean ?
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05:07<s_i_m>virtual terminal, vt, ctl-alt-f1
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05:15<lenovo>s_i_m
05:15<lenovo>sorry
05:15<s_i_m>for what?
05:16<lenovo>i did login from ctl-alt-f1
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05:16<lenovo>then i could not bach to here
05:16<lenovo>so i power off the PC
05:16<s_i_m>lenovo, btw, to get back you could press ctl-alt-f7
05:16<lenovo>ok
05:16<s_i_m>sorry, i forgot to tell you that =)
05:17<lenovo>it okay
05:17<lenovo>:)
05:17<lenovo>well
05:17<lenovo>it login with the consol
05:17<lenovo>console
05:18<lenovo>but not with the normal mod
05:18<lenovo>what is that should mean
05:18<s_i_m>yes, but typically you do not login as root on X
05:18<lenovo>s_i_m i cant understand you
05:18<lenovo>on x ?
05:19<lenovo>what is x
05:19<simonlnu>Xorg
05:19<simonlnu>the gui
05:19<lenovo>i need to login with my admin
05:19<lenovo>i input the password
05:19<lenovo>but it just login and out
05:20<lenovo>right a way
05:20<lenovo>hello
05:20<lenovo>s_i_m
05:21<lenovo>simonlnu
05:21<lenovo>can you help
05:21<s_i_m>lenovo, just start a terminal from your normal account and use "su -l"
05:22<lenovo>what is that
05:22<s_i_m>a command
05:22<lenovo>:)
05:22<lenovo>i know it is
05:22<lenovo>a command
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05:22<lenovo>but , what it should do
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05:23<olones>hi
05:23<s_i_m>lenovo, okay... let us try other way... can you tell why do you need to login as root?
05:23<lenovo>becouse
05:24<lenovo>it is my PC
05:24<s_i_m>and?
05:24<lenovo>and my user name, i med it
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05:24<lenovo>i always log from there
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05:25<lenovo>can you plz tel me what is wrong?
05:25<devil>lenovo: you make windows look like a safe harbour ;)
05:26<s_i_m>lenove, but once again, which task do you need to do with the administrative rights?
05:26<lenovo>what do you mean
05:26<lenovo>no task it is my user name
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05:27<lenovo>i always go from there
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05:27<lenovo>devil : what do you mean
05:27<devil>lenovo: logging onto x as root defies the major principle of Unix
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05:28<lenovo>devil : can you give me examples
05:28<devil>lenovo: for what?
05:28<lenovo>i can understand you
05:28<lenovo>for "logging onto x as root defies the major principle of Unix"
05:29<devil>lenovo: that is just a nono and in 99.9% of cases unnneccessary and dangerous
05:29<s_i_m>lenovo, do you need to login as root to do something that you cannot do as a normal user? or do you simply want to login and use your computer daily as root?
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05:30<lenovo>s_i_m : use my computer daily as root?
05:30<devil>lenovo: what is your native language?
05:30<lenovo>as i always do
05:30<lenovo>arabic
05:30<devil>do we have a language problem?
05:31<lenovo>not all the time, but yes
05:31<devil>lenovo: the sane way to get root is to log into X as user and then become root inside that, if needed
05:31<lenovo>i wish some one speak my language
05:31<devil>it is not safe to log into X as root
05:32<lenovo>so you mean i should delete my admin use
05:32<lenovo>?
05:32<lenovo>user
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05:33<devil>no. log into X as user and then, if you need it, open a console, do su, give your pw and do whatever you need to do as root (administrative stuff), then exit to go back to user
05:34<lenovo>but : i can't deal with the console
05:34<devil>you should read some basic linux book maybe
05:34<lenovo>i need GUI
05:34<devil>you can have GUI and still have a shell
05:34<devil>konsole, xterm, whatever
05:35<lenovo>what is the defrent between terminal and the console ?
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05:36<devil>here is some basic info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
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05:37<devil>i am away for breakfast
05:37<lenovo>devil : ok
05:37<lenovo>thanks
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05:38<s_i_m>lenovo, come back to us when you realize which task precisely you need to do while being a superuser (i.e., admin, root)
05:39<s_i_m>if you are not sure why you need it, then you simply do not need it now :)
05:40<lenovo>s_i_m : okay, thank you :)
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05:45<lenovo>s_i_m : one more thing plz, when i login as admin is always ask the password off admin to do any thing e.x. installing a software so > is it right that it is not so denger on my PC if i loged as admin <
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05:46<s_i_m>lenovo, do you mean that you want to login as admin to get rid of those questions?
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05:48<lenovo>no : what i met is that the system always promet me to enter a password to do any thing have relaited with it
05:48<lenovo>so i thing that the system is save
05:49<lenovo>even when i log as admin
05:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 483] by debhelper
05:51<lenovo>what i'm saying > the admin has no power without his password <
05:51<lenovo>he is just a normal user , is that right ?
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05:53<lenovo>s_i_m : do you want me to stop ask ?
05:53<lenovo>i will be right back.
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05:55<lenovo>ok, i am here
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05:57<ompaul>lenovo: don't be root all the time - only when you need - that is the best advice you can follow, otherwise you can do a lot of damage to the "ordinary users account" also "you can do a lot of damage to the system itself with a small typo"
05:57<s_i_m>lenovo, no, I meant that you probably wanted to get rid of those password entering dialogs the system always asks you for. Was I right?
05:58<lenovo>thanks ; ompaul
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05:59<lenovo>s_i_m: when i enter as my admin user the system keep asking me form password
06:00<lenovo>just like the normal user
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06:00<lenovo>so i will not get rid of those password entering dialogs the system
06:00<lenovo>even if i entered as admin
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06:05<s_i_m>lenovo, it depends on various things, like, for example, on what kind of desktop environment you are using. In my case, properly configured "sudo" suits well all my needs. If I need more, I use su.
06:06<clement_>hello everybody
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06:07<s_i_m>hello, clement_
06:07<lenovo>how can i know what kind of desktop environment i am using, and for what it configured ?
06:08<lenovo>hello, clement_
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06:08<s_i_m>lenovo, make a screenshot and post it somewhere =)
06:09<lenovo>how to make screen shot
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06:10<lenovo>sorry i am a Beginner
06:11<lenovo>wait, i made a screen shot
06:11<lenovo>where to upload ?
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06:12<lenovo>ok
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06:14<lenovo>it's fail
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06:15<marco_>hello
06:15<lenovo>s_i_m ; nothing happen
06:15<s_i_m>lenovo, use http://www.postimage.org/ or anything similar
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06:17<lenovo>http://s16.postimage.org/fky14b71h/Screenshot_from_2012_07_22_13_11_27.png
06:17<lenovo>did you got it
06:18<lenovo>s_i_m : did you got the screen shot
06:18<s_i_m>yes, that is Gnome
06:20<lenovo>so, is it configured to use the password without my permission
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06:23<michiel>'lo, I have a question about debian packaging, what debian channel should I use?
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06:23<lenovo>s_i_m : i don't think that it is Qualified to use my password
06:23<lenovo>what do you think ?
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06:24<devil>michiel: #debian-mentors
06:24<michiel>devil: thanks
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06:25<lenovo>s_i_m : are you busy
06:25<s_i_m>lenovo, yep.
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06:26<lenovo>okay : good bye
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06:28<SynrG>s_i_m: should've said "yes, that's Ubuntu" :p
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06:29<s_i_m>SynrG, the question was about DE :)
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06:34<hell>hello, piplz.
06:35<hell>i have a strange problem, after some testing updates.
06:35<hell>somewhere my utf8 non-english input does not work, as expected.
06:35<hell>in bash, it works good if it text, and not if it is command
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06:36<hell>in awesome i can't enter anything in russian in Run: dialog, and windows does not switch, if ru is current layout
06:37<hell>both en_EN.UTF-8 and ru_RU.UTF-8 locales are present
06:37<hell>and default is en_EN.UTF-8
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06:38<hell>how can i check something around this problem?
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06:43<SynrG>s_i_m: i'm just thinking this beginner will wind up here again, not knowing which channel to visit :/
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07:41<lucas2>Hello, I was looking for an 'setroubleshoot' package, it once existed but it seems that at a ceryain moment it was removed from the squeeze repository.
07:41<lucas2>does anyone know why?
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07:44<devil>lucas2: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/setroubleshoot
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07:55<lucas2>devil: I also found that one, but it seems to be availble only to the m68k architecture..
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08:01<devil>Losowski: sorry, i never knew the package before
08:01<devil>ups
08:01<devil>Losowski: sorry, user left and i misstabbed
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08:15<ngong__>I am trying to find out why cups is not working for me on Debian SID. I am looking at http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/doc-other/cups-help.html. One of the first sentences tells: "If you have CUPS installed on your system, and if your CUPS daemon is running, it is available online (HTML and PDF formats) on your local system at http://localhost:631/documentation.html." Cups is installed (1.5.3-2) and "ps ax | grep cups" tells me the daemon is
08:15<ngong__>running. But the link to the documentation does not work. Question: does it work on your computer with Debian SID?
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08:17<SynrG>ngong__: try /help instead
08:18<SynrG>i.e. http://localhost:631/help
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08:18<abdulkarim>I get this libpng error while trying to rub Unetbootin > http://pastie.org/4300071
08:19<ngong__>abdulkarim: ok, that works - hence this was not an indication to what is wrong on my computer, thank you.
08:19<SynrG>ngong__: i think you meant to answer me
08:19<abdulkarim>ngong__: ?
08:19<abdulkarim>SynrG: :p
08:20<ngong__>SynrG: oops, for sure
08:20<SynrG>abdulkarim: ls -l will only show one level of symlink. you're probably pointing at another symlink, and that one is dangling
08:20<abdulkarim>SynrG: how to I check that?
08:21<towo`>file unetbootin-linux-494
08:21<towo`>it could even be a 32bit binary
08:21<SynrG>ah
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08:24<abdulkarim>towo`: ohk
08:24<SynrG>abdulkarim: which version of debian, btw?
08:24<abdulkarim>SynrG: SID
08:24<SynrG>updated unetbootin lately?
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08:25<abdulkarim>SynrG: actually I'm trying to run a previous version of unetbootin
08:25<SynrG>not a debian package, then?
08:25<abdulkarim>since the latest ones don't allow NTFS drives
08:26<SynrG>did you build it yourself?
08:26<abdulkarim>no
08:26<abdulkarim>got it from here >http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html
08:26<SynrG>no. don't do that.
08:26*abdulkarim begs for mercy, he does not wish to use it for himself :p
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08:27<SynrG>don't mix binaries for other distros
08:27<SynrG>or if you do, don't expect it to work
08:27<SynrG>the right way to do this is to build it from source.
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08:28<SynrG>or else find out why ntfs isn't supported in the version in sid and fix it
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08:28<SynrG>(or *if* it isn't supported. i'm just taking your word for it)
08:28<abdulkarim>SynrG: ohk, I'll try building it from source
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08:32<MisterOscar>Hi, anyone know who to contact to donate spare server resources as a mirror?
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09:03<dynamikztatik>Err ... was compiz dropped from wheezy ?
09:03<Calinou>dunno
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09:03<Calinou>let me check... I use wheezy amd64
09:05<Calinou>erm... I think I use xfwm4
09:05*Calinou is on xfce
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09:07<dynamikztatik>http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/compiz
09:07<dynamikztatik>404
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09:08<dynamikztatik>but unstable/sid/experimental all have it
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09:09<ompaul>dynamikztatik: asking the same question in two places is not good form, but I already told you that
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09:12<dynamikztatik>go back to dublin you chav wanker
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09:14<Calinou>lol
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09:16<dynamikztatik>Calinou: Et VOUS, rentrer en France! :)
09:16<dynamikztatik>^_^
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10:04<filippo>!list
10:04<dpkg>filippo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.
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10:32*xfire78xx giorno
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10:43<Fazz3>hi
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10:48<Losowski>Hello Fazz3
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10:51<ring0>hi, i just installed plymouth according to http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth booting works fine, but when i shutdown as user, no splash is being shown (well, the dots from the joy theme appear, but no background image). if i shutdown as root, everything is being displayed as it should. i found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610287 but no solution. sounds actually like a simple permission problem, which should be solva
10:51<ring0>ble? :)
10:55<ring0>any hints or suggestions would be much appreciated
10:55<ring0>i checked different themes, too. none of them work when shutting down as user
10:57<Osiris_X>ring0: what version of plymouth?
10:57<ring0>Osiris_X, 0.8.5.1-5
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10:58<Osiris_X>ring0: are you shutting down from X windows? or console?
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10:59<ring0>Osiris_X, as user from the x-dialog, as root from terminal
10:59<Osiris_X>ring0: what is x-dialog?
11:00<Osiris_X>ring0: for me it works shutting down / powering off from gnome3 menu
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11:01<ring0>Osiris_X, i mean this dialog from gnome3 http://lotphelp.com/lotp/shutdown-restart-gnome-3
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11:02<Osiris_X>ring0: does the splash screen always appear on startup?
11:02<ring0>Osiris_X, yes, flawless
11:03<Osiris_X>ring0: are you using systemD instead of sysinitv scripts?
11:03<ring0>Osiris_X, no, systemd is not installed
11:03<Osiris_X>ring0: something that parallelises boot and shutdown processes?
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11:06<ring0>Osiris_X, i've not changed anything to do paralellisation
11:07<ring0>Osiris_X, are you using the same version of plymouth?
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11:07<tmp>hi, i compiled and installed kernel 3.4.5 and it's running fine, but i don't know how to porperly install the kernel sources. (which i need e.g. for virtualbox install) can anyone point me in the right direction on how to do that?
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11:08<tmp>*properly
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11:08<Osiris_X>ring0: ok then I am unsure what your problem is, but it would be strange for it to be a permissions issue since shutdown must be initiated by root
11:08<Osiris_X>ring0: no I am using 0.8.6.1
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11:09<Osiris_X>tmp: are you sure you need the source, surely you just need the headers
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11:09<tmp>Osiris_X: well, i don't know how to install the headers properly either... i could only find guides how to install from repo, but 3.4.5 isn't in any repo yet afaik
11:10<sney>!kernel handbook
11:10<dpkg>The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook (http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ , packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Wheezy) serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source.
11:10<sney>tmp: ^ read this, and use it to generate debian packages for your kernel image and headers
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11:10<Fazz3>hi
11:10<Fazz3>again
11:11<Fazz3>i'm accessing my apache2 server via 94.23.94.40:11380
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11:11<Fazz3>I've installed phpmyadmin via apt-get recently
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11:12<Fazz3>but when i try to reach 94.23.94.40:11380/phpmyadmin it says "Not Found"
11:12<ring0>Osiris_X, i once started Xorg by accident as root, could this have messed up anything?
11:13<tmp>sney: thx, i know how to compile and install the kernel itself just the headers are troubling me :-/ and there is nothing in there about them if i saw that right
11:13<Fazz3>I've got only index.php in my var/wwww
11:13<Fazz3>Why didn't phpmyadmin unpack itself there
11:13<Fazz3>?
11:13<Osiris_X>tmp: you could try putting the source in /usr/src/linux-XXXXXXXX, and then creating a symlink from that directory to /lib/modules/<kernel version>/build and /lib/modules/<kernel version>/source - otherwise it is the kernel package build way for headers and common-headers
11:14<Osiris_X>tmp: did you build 3.4.5 in to a debian package?
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11:14<tmp>Osiris_X: yes i did
11:15<Osiris_X>ring0: is your current X session started as root?
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11:15<tmp>Osiris_X: with kpkg-make and then initramfs to get it to no problems. i'll try to set the links, i didn't put the source into my /usr/src folder, i think that could be the problem :)
11:15<Osiris_X>tmp: what did you use? make deb-pkg? kpkg-make ? debian distribition method?
11:15<Osiris_X>oic
11:16<Osiris_X>kpkg-make is deprecated
11:16<ring0>Osiris_X, how do i check this? gnome3 got started with the normal boot process
11:16<Osiris_X>ring0: then that is fine, did you then login as root into the gnome-session/
11:17<yermandu>im tryin use a usb-boot to install but iso-scan say that Debian iso not usable
11:17<tmp>Osiris_X: oh damn, didn't know that... need to get this laptop running and thanks to a bug in 3.2 i have to get something newer to get it to work... i was just searching for a quick fix
11:17<ring0>Osiris_X, no, as regular user
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11:18<Osiris_X>tmp: however if you extracted your source into /usr/src and then built using make-kpkg it should have made static links to the source in /lib/modules/<kernel version> if I remember correctly (it has been a very long time since I used it)
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11:19<Osiris_X>sorry other way round - /lib/modules/<kernel version>/build|source should be symlinked to /usr/src/linux sourcr
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11:20<Osiris_X>ring0: hmm then it should work as far as I know - since you can only build and execute the initramfs as root anyway
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11:21<ring0>Osiris_X, so the needed images are stored in initramfs itself?
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11:21<tmp>Osiris_X: yeah i think i didn't move it to /usr/src before building it. since 3.4.6 is now released, i might as well just start over and do it properly this time. thanks for your help!
11:21<Osiris_X>ring0: I'm no expert, but I believe so
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11:21<Osiris_X>tmp: you are welcome
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11:22<Osiris_X>tmp: but note that you should move to a different "supported" build method at the earlies opportunity
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11:23<tmp>Osiris_X: i will :)
11:23<wcm>hello every body
11:24<ring0>Osiris_X, well, thanks anyway for trying :)
11:24<Osiris_X>tmp: also note if the symlinks are not created - you may have to mess with the options in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf - or something like that (man make-kpkg)
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11:27<tmp>Osiris_X: hm... okay if make-kpkg doesn't do the trick i'll look up how to make the kernel-package properly. i know with this i might run into more problems, but i have about 4 hours to get this thing to work :S
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11:35<ring0>i've setup batched discard for my ssd, which has a luks encrypted lvm partition on it. i modified /etc/crypttab and ran update-initramfs. after that fstrim works fine. i read on http://wiki.debian.org/SSDoptimization to edit /etc/lvm/lvm.conf too, but i think this is for online discard like the discard option in /etc/fstab, correct?
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11:36<isithran>Hi
11:36<isithran>Anyone knows where I can find or how can I build libmysqlclient_r?
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11:44<isithran>False alarm, I've found it in libmysqlclient16 package
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11:58<friend>Hello
11:59<friend>any help with Debian here? someone?
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12:01<tmp>friend: why don't you just ask to find out if someone can help you? ;)
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12:05<friend>Ok. I'm noob with linux/debian, Running Debian using a VPS I've just installed. the problem: I cannot run any program I install on it. usually getting 'permission denied' error, or files problem. Maybe someone help me to do this properly
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12:05<friend>even KDE is not working
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12:06<sney>friend: copy the command you run and its whole output to http://paste.debian.net/ and link us to the paste
12:06<friend>moment
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12:09<friend>http://paste.debian.net/180214/
12:10<TobiX>friend: "cannot create temp file for here-document: Disk quota exceeded"
12:11<TobiX>Well, how much free space do you have?
12:11<friend>about 5 gigs
12:11<friend>it's a micro vps
12:11<TobiX>friend: Amazon?
12:12<friend>no. it's called VKS. and it's free during beta
12:12<TobiX>friend: First: You can't use startx over ssh, since that needs a physical screen
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12:12<TobiX>(and a graphics card)
12:12<friend>i see
12:13<friend>so how people run programs on a VPS anyway?
12:13<friend>like cpanel and the like
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12:14<sney>those are web apps, so you have a web server like apache or lighttpd installed, and it serves the application to you over http
12:14<sney>don't use cpanel though, it's full of security holes
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12:15<sney>if you wanted a gui you could install rdesktop or a vnc server, but it would be very slow over the internet
12:16<friend>thanks. I'll search for it
12:16<TobiX>friend: Some advise: If you are new to Linux, start with a local installation (using VirtualBox or VMWare, if you don't want to install it to your own computer) and get experienced there. Only use a root/vserver if you have some experience...
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12:17<friend>I red on a forum that other users could run a browser on this VPS
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12:18<friend>YES i'M new to linux, except some experience with BT3 years ago
12:19<jparkton>cool
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12:20<friend>I've got a website which I want to run on the VPS to overcome cpu limitations on my shared hosting. It will take some time, but this is the goal
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12:21<jparkton>sounds good
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12:25<haylo>themill, from your hate you will know your enemies. and in it you will see your likeness
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12:26<friend>so, could you please give me an example to a test program I should be able to run on this vps?
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12:26<jparkton>lamp?
12:26<friend>?
12:27<jparkton>go to google, type in LAMP press enter
12:27<friend>ok let me try..
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12:47<Fazz3>AMP - Apache Mysql PHP
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13:53<jparkton>are all of the deb repos down?
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13:56<ompaul>jparkton: no
13:56<ompaul>jparkton: why did you think they may be?
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13:57<jparkton>installing fresh and for the past hour stuck on 1% from repos
13:57<ompaul>what kind of connection?
13:59<ompaul>jparkton: I'd restart that install (hopefully you are on a wired connection)
14:00<jparkton>I have 3 times
14:00<jparkton>each time same issue
14:00<jparkton>and its in a VM which funny enough runs F17 with the same VM configurations
14:00<ompaul>tell it you are in a different location
14:01<ompaul>maybe the repo you are pointing at is down
14:01<jparkton>so I suppose it could be my connection although I doubt it but would be willing to check if there was a way from inside the installer
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14:01<ompaul>super fast no matter where you are is heanet.ie
14:01<ompaul>the only lag is the initial getting to it
14:01<jparkton>I tried the US ftp, the MIT repo, the Florida repo none have installed
14:01<ompaul>oh
14:02<jparkton>pretty wierd
14:02<ompaul>yes
14:02<ompaul>shouldn't happen
14:02<jparkton>plus I just downloaded this iso a couple hours ago
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14:02<ompaul>I take it you are using stable?
14:06<jparkton>yes
14:07<ompaul>there is a self test for the disk run that as the disk boots up
14:07<ompaul>or get the md5sum and check it
14:08<jparkton>yeah it checks out fine
14:08<jparkton>and md5 is the same
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14:09<ompaul>what kind of vm is it
14:10<ompaul>more to the point the only vm I use is kvm
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14:14<yoshio>I just bought a Lenovo G570 laptop and installed Wheezy. Under Wheezy, the battery runs down until a critical level, then the laptop hibernates (even though the power adapter is connected). How do I get the battery to charge under Wheezy? If I boot into Win7, it will charge properly.
14:14<Calinou>yoshio, from what I've heard the battery /icons/ are broken right now
14:14<Calinou>not sure
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14:17<sney_>charging should be independent of OS
14:18<youlysses>sney_: What charging your battery on a boxen?
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14:19<yoshio>sney_: yes, but it doesn't charge when the laptop is off either
14:19<sney_>yoshio: that's pretty weird
14:20<sney_>how does it behave if you disconnect the battery and just run it off AC power?
14:20<yoshio>sney_: that works just fine
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14:21<deadmousesqueak>hello
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14:21<sney_>at a glance, that model doesn't seem to have any special power trickery
14:22<youlysses>Are there any wheezy live-images out yet?
14:22<sney_>not afaik but live-build can generate them
14:22<youlysses>sney_: How trivial is it to get going?
14:23<sney_>Haven't tried it personally, but one of the d-live developers seemed to suggest it was no big deal
14:24<sney_>http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build it has a web form and everything
14:25<kop>youlysses: I've played around with live-build and it was pretty painless. YMMV.
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14:27<youlysses>What's the diffrence between a "standard" system and a "minimal one"?
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14:44<jparkton>any clues why this debian will not install?
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14:46<youlysses>jparkton: More background info please.
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14:50<jparkton>I downloaded the new iso (wheezy so maybe thats the issue) and set up a fresh install in VM same VM is running successfully three other linux distros same configurations (VM wise) with no issues. I have tried installing Debian for a few hours now with three different repos, and never get past 1% downloading in the last section of the install
14:50<Aleric>youlysses: minimal installs just enough to boot and get a command line (in bash), and a C compiler to compile "hello world".
14:51<Aleric>standard probably installs X and kde or gnome, so you get a GUI after boot.
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14:52<youlysses>Aleric: Oh ok. I'm not sure about standard though (just "built' that one) and it's only 125mbs. I'm assuming it's text-based but has some of the debian configurations in place.
14:54<youlysses>jparkton: Weird. What network settings are you picking at setup?
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15:03<kin63camapa>hi all
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15:05<youlysses>kin63camapa: o/
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15:06<kin63camapa>sry my bad endlish, how i can install debian and use crypto luks partition for my home directory?
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15:06<kin63camapa>can u give me link to manual?
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15:08<kin63camapa>i was use cryptsetup but i do not have use crypt partition with mount in boot time
15:08<Aleric>kin63camapa: you need to add a line to /etc/crypttab
15:09<Aleric>Ie, I have:
15:09<Aleric>encrypted UUID=bc19963a-a263-49bc-8a18-7e664c936408 none luks,cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256,timeout=600,check=blkid,checkargs=ext3
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15:09<kin63camapa>none = ask password?
15:09<Aleric>and in /etc/fstab I have:
15:09<Aleric>/dev/mapper/encrypted /encrypted ext3 defaults 0 2
15:10<Aleric>the first word in /etc/crypttab causes /dev/mapper/foo to be created.
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15:10<youlysses>How about? http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/2008/05/encrypting-your-home-directory-using.html
15:10<kin63camapa>thx
15:10<Aleric>Yeah.. it asks for a pass phrase
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15:10<weasel>kin63camapa: you can install all of debian on encrypted partitions, and it will ask you for a passphrase during boot.
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15:11<weasel>kin63camapa: d-i supports that installation mode out of the box.
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15:11<kin63camapa>no i no need to install all on encrypter only my home directory
15:11<weasel>kin63camapa: or maybe you are looking for pam_mount, which allows you to mount an encrypted volume on a per-user bases with the login password.
15:11<weasel>kin63camapa: you'll have to set that up yourself tho. (pam mount is packaged however)
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15:13<Aleric>kin63camapa: to get things to work when you reboot, you need to start a service.. not sure how many there are - lol, but at least: sudo service cryptdisks-early start
15:15<Aleric>(really, the reason I tell you this is so you have keywords to google for.. not as a complete recipe)
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15:18<kin63camapa>the name of a demon? can i add the symlink on the /etc/rc3/4/5.d S01daemon
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15:22<dizzylizzy>i have a brand new fresh installation of squeeze next to my wheezy installation. I had issues setting up an encrypted /home during installation, so now I have a 15 GB partition mounted at / and an unused fully ready-to-use empty LUKS partition. how would I go about putting /home there instead? also would this be easier if I weren't running the squeeze installation and instead in wheezy?
15:22<dizzylizzy>is it as simple as an fstab change?
15:23<kin63camapa>and can I install kde3? I wanted to install Debian is Lenny but did not find it in repositories
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15:24<dizzylizzy>that's right, kde3 is quite outdated; kde4 is recommended
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15:28<kin63camapa>kde3 may be old but it easy for speed, kde4 is a very slow for my hadware
15:29<kin63camapa>and i bad known kde4
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15:30<kin63camapa>I was very accustomed to kde3
15:31<kin63camapa>sry my bad english, google translate
15:31<dizzylizzy>yes, most people were very accustomed to kde3 and got mad when kde4 came out, but kde3 is no longer supported
15:31<dizzylizzy>I'm sorry, I do now know how to help. :-/
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15:32<kin63camapa>I read about the fork of the Trinity but I do not know how good it
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15:35<kin63camapa>probably will be using xfce
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15:41<devil>kin63camapa: there is no kde3 in debian and never will be again.
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15:41<devil>there is trinity, but not in debian
15:41<devil>dead horsr
15:41<devil>horse even, if you ask me
15:42<kin63camapa>it was a good horse, quickly ran
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15:44<towo`>kin63camapa, it's dead
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15:46<devil>kin63camapa: kde4 for me is faster than kde3 ever was
15:47<devil>depends on your hardware of course
15:47<kin63camapa>never shared the software on the old and new ... In my opinion it is soft comfortable and uncomfortable. I hope you understand what I say
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15:49<kin63camapa>i can get beter harhware but i do not want to change the program easy to inconvenient
15:51<kin63camapa>may soon become easier kde4, and compared with the first release they have made good progress but for now this is not the ideal
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15:57<kin63camapa>lol it was install gnome for me
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15:59<dizzylizzy>that's pretty common in the linux community I think
15:59<dizzylizzy>not wanting to change from the old outdated deprecated versions to the new ones, because of habit
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16:00<dizzylizzy>now we have fork after fork of gnome2, when people should be focusing their efforts into helping make gnome3 better
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16:01<kin63camapa>People use the program to rest and work and not every time to change their habits, I think
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16:02<kin63camapa>new programs is always good but the old why kill?
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16:04<dizzylizzy>usually limited programming resources. there aren't enough people to maintain both version 2 and 3 and 4 :-/
16:04<dizzylizzy>whatever the project is
16:04<kin63camapa>we do not throw out such programs as vi lynx and etc
16:05<kin63camapa>фlthough we have Firefox and a bunch of editors
16:07<devil>desktops are different
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16:07<sney_>let's all keep using CDE
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16:08<devil>kde3 depends on qt3, kde4 on qt4, having both would be a real pita. same goes for gnome. the desktop environment in linux needs to keep up with the times to be attractive
16:08<kin63camapa>Why support enough not to throw, especially gnu
16:08<dizzylizzy>kin63camapa, pita = pain in the ass
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16:12<jaime32>hola
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16:13<kin63camapa>Why go with the times means to abandon old programs? in version lenny, for example, qt3 and qt4 existed together
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16:14<kin63camapa>and qt4 support йе3 api for compatibility
16:14<kin63camapa>qt3 api*
16:15<devil>kin63camapa: and who will maintain both qt3 and qt4?
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16:17<devil>kin63camapa: debian-qt-kde team has a hard enough time to keep up with kde4/qt4
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16:17<kin63camapa>Why qt3 support? after the program compile it does not need the support she needed only the user and the environment in which it can be run
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16:18<kin63camapa>it needed*
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16:22<kin63camapa>I understand this policy of commercial software, they need to get money for the new version, but I do not understand why this is happening in gnu. Why the huge projects are ever forgotten
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16:24<gotmynick>someone using wheezy and dhcp address can make me a favor (output of a command) ?
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16:25<gotmynick>does "su -c 'netstat -lapun' | grep dhclient" show other udp(and upd6) ports than udp/68 ? how many ports? 2 very high ports?
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16:27<Aleric>udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:68 0.0.0.0:* 5492/dhclient
16:27<Aleric>udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:56205 0.0.0.0:* 5492/dhclient
16:27<Aleric>udp6 0 0 :::3353 :::* 5492/dhclient
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16:28<gotmynick>thanks
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16:31<jaime32>hola otra vez,hy
16:32<jaime32>hello
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16:35<oscar>mernge merenge
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16:35<oscar>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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16:35<erezson>is this the right place to ask about gnome?
16:35<manu>holaa
16:35<manu>xd
16:35<oscar>ola
16:35<manu>xd
16:35<oscar>xd
16:35<manu>la loka tiene muy buen wifi xd
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16:35<manu>va de pta madre
16:36<oscar>ya
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16:36<manu>xdé
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16:38<Edowardo>Having an issue with the audio in Squeeze. Programs and plug-ins using the sound card high jack the sound output. I can only use the audio for one thing at a time. Running another app at the same time will not output sound.
16:39<sney_>do you have pulseaudio installed?
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16:40<Edowardo>sney_ yes
16:40<Edowardo>sney_ i tinkered a little bit with pulse to no avail, also tried using .asound, but I know little on using htat
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16:41<sney_>sorry, sound is pretty voodoo to me, hopefully someone else can help
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16:51<Edowardo>Having an issue with the audio in Squeeze. Programs and plug-ins using the sound card high jack the sound output. I can only use the audio for one thing at a time. Running another app at the same time will not output sound.
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16:52<sney_>Edowardo: you might have better luck in a few hours, or in #debian on chat.freenode.net
16:52<Edowardo>probably
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16:56<joseph>hello everybody. Is there how to find a file by a text containing in this file?
16:56<Aleric>grep -l
16:57<joseph>Aleric, humm, this way I have to say witch file I'm looking
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16:58<Aleric>find /path -type f -exec grep -l text {} \;
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17:02<joseph>Aleric, 404 Page Not Found
17:02<joseph>Aleric, Sorry =) find: missing argument to `-exec'
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17:12<meums>Hello ... is there anyone reading ?
17:13<olasd>you should ask your question
17:13<olasd>(unless that was it, in that case the answer is yes)
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17:15<olasd>joseph: likely your shell is doing something funky to the {} argument. try putting quotes around it
17:16<meums>haha allright :) okay my question is simple : i had a previous version of debian that has been running for about 5 years without any problem. a recent upgrade f...ed everything up . so i reinstalled the system and it's working great ... except for something : apt-get install b2evolution ... apparently it has been discontinued for a while ? i cant find it in the stable nor testing distribs. BUT i can find it in the unstable version ..
17:16<meums>. the only problem i have is : i can't install it ... it says package not found ... can anyone give me a hint please ?
17:16<meums>i've tried : apt-get install -t unstable b2evolution
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17:18<joseph>olasd, could you tell me an example?
17:18<olasd>find /path -type f -exec grep -l text "{}" \; ?
17:19<joseph>olasd, it returns: find: missing argument to `-exec'
17:19<olasd>it shouldn't... what's the command you're executing?
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17:25<joseph>olasd, joseph@joseph-laptop:~$ find /home/joseph/www/CodeIgniter/ci/ -type f -exec grep -l text "{404}"\;
17:25<olasd>haha, right
17:25<olasd>you wanted to replace text with what you're looking for
17:25<olasd>and leave the braces alone
17:26<olasd>(find executes the given command replacing {} with the filename)
17:27<joseph>olasd, But I don't know the file I want to look for
17:27<olasd>find executes the command on every file it finds in the directory
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17:28<joseph>olasd, I always use find command to find files
17:28<olasd>meums: it seems the source package of b2evolution has been removed
17:29<olasd>meums: but the binary is still there for some reason
17:29<meums>olasd, aw that hurts ... but that means i won't be able to install it at all ?
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17:29<meums>olasd : i thought i was not using the sources, but the binary when doing apt-get install
17:29<olasd>yes
17:29<olasd>I'm not sure what's going on here
17:30<olasd>joseph: I don't know what to say... but 'find /home/joseph/www/CodeIgniter/ci/ -type f -exec grep -l 404 "{}" \;' should do it
17:30<olasd>grep -r -l 404 /home/joseph/www/CodeIgniter/ci/ should work too
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17:32<blast007>meums: just download and install it manually.
17:33<blast007>from their site I mean, not from debian
17:33<meums>blast007 : the issue is ... on their site i only find the windows version :) but i'm currently trying to download & install it from snapshot.debian.org ... we'll see
17:34<meums>just ... refresh my memory please ... to install a .deb it's something like dpkg -i xxx.deb ?
17:34<blast007>meums: is it not a PHP-based blog system you are looking for?
17:34<meums>blast007 : absolutely
17:35<meums>:) yeah ok
17:35<joseph>olasd, Thank you, I guess it helps a lot
17:35<blast007>then I don't see why you think there's only a "windows version" of it. PHP is generally cross platform unless you do something crazy with it. I see no reason why you can't get it from the authors' site
17:36<meums>blast007 : but ... i mean, i must have looked too quickly, but the only thing i see on their site is a .exe download
17:36<meums>i'll look more into it
17:36<blast007>meums: then you're not looking at the right site. http://b2evolution.net/
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17:37<meums>blast007 : ok i'll try this
17:38<meums>thanks
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22:20<user01>what happened to http://hadret.rootnode.net/debian/ ? :)
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22:21<abrotman>ask the person that ran the server
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22:23<user01>is font smoothing now in whezy?
22:23<abrotman>...
22:24<sney>my fonts look pretty smooth.
22:24<user01>thats why i was using it for stable
22:24<user01>http://www.techytalk.info/font-smoothing-in-debian-6-0-squeeze-like-in-ubuntu/
22:24*abrotman looks at his console harder ...
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22:27<user01>maybe it was just for squeeze
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