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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-07-27

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00:07<sney_>quentusrex_, #debian-next is for wheezy support, but we're in a quiet part of the day
00:08<bossskag_>hello
00:09<quentusrex_>sney_, is there there a channel for debian kernel and relate issues?
00:09<quentusrex_>I'm trying to remove dracut and regenerate the initrd image.
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03:04<armaoin>Hi all.
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03:08<lacrosse1991>hello :)
03:08<armaoin>i've installed a very minimal wheezy (only the base system) and when i boot i obtain a black screen. I can boot with "nomodeset" kerbel option. My vga is a radeon 2400. I need to install firmware-linux package from the non-free repo?
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03:15<kikebcn> /server irc.irc-hispano.org
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03:49<lacrosse1991>what would be the best way to go about installing packages from a different distribution? installing packages from testing into stable for this specific example, squeeze only has openjdk 6 while i need 7
03:49<Calinou>backports.
03:49<Calinou>or, upgrade to testing/unstable. other way. :P
03:49<lacrosse1991>ok will give backports a go :) also lol nice to see you over here calinou
03:50<Calinou>why?
03:50<lacrosse1991>oh had not known you were in this channel, had only seeen you in the mc related ones b4
03:50<Calinou>heh
03:51<lacrosse1991>currently trying to get that tekkit server to behave but something concerning nether ores does not like my current java version (6) according to the dev
03:52<Calinou>tekkit client works with java 6
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03:54<lacrosse1991>yep it works fine client side, i just keep getting this error whenever i attempt to start up the server //pastebin.com/dYAJpJ9g
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03:57<anton>есть тут кто?
03:57<mashku>Hi
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03:58<streuner__>dpkg, ru
03:58<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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03:59<streuner__>dpkg, ru
03:59<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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04:03<Robkyzas>hi
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04:14<aruetten>Short question: How would you call the official organisation behind debian? "The Debian Project" or simple "Debian Project"? Anything else?
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04:22<nevyn>SPI
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04:22<nevyn>software in the public interest
04:23<nevyn>aruetten: ^^
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04:23<nevyn>debian is a project of SPI
04:23<nevyn>http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/debian/
04:27<devil>s/of/associated to?
04:27<nevyn>of
04:27<nevyn>oh ok
04:28<nevyn>associated with
04:28<nevyn>when I think of a legal entity related to debian I do think SPI
04:29<devil>sure
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04:30<devil>aruetten: if this is for some official announcement, you could also ask in #spi for the best way to put it
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04:35<aruetten>devil: nevyn: thanks
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04:43<nocturnal>I have all debian squeeze machines and they don't seem to like me setting passwords for them manually. that is I'm using a deployment system where I have one password in encrypted form taken out of shadow, and I just copy that password into each shadow file manually using the deployment system
04:44<nocturnal>this renders all the passwords invalid except for the system I took it from
04:44<nocturnal>why is this?
04:44<nocturnal>the salt seems random
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05:01<EmleyMoor>I inserted a CD ROM. It hasn't mounted and won't eject. The light on the drive is blinking occasionally. What can I do?
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05:05<EmleyMoor>(any clues?)
05:06<EmleyMoor>I either want to mount it or remove it so I can try in in another drive. Just sitting there neither mounted nor ejectable is no good
05:09<devil>EmleyMoor: ry 'eject'
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05:09<devil>try, even
05:09<EmleyMoor>devil: Tried. No error, no go.
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05:10<devil>hm, never had a drive that resisted that
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05:10<devil>what CD-Rom?
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05:10<EmleyMoor>"The Phone Collectors' CD
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05:11<EmleyMoor>eject seems to get the light flashing faster BTW
05:11<devil>you can eject it manualy with a pin
05:12<devil>you can also try lsof to see if any process is using it
05:12<nevyn>check dmesg for media failures on the disk
05:13<nevyn>if it's trying to read the toc and failing this could cause.. problems.
05:14<EmleyMoor>hald-addon-storage is polling it...
05:14<EmleyMoor>Lots of errors in dmesg about it
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05:19<devil>EmleyMoor: do you still have HAL installed?
05:20<EmleyMoor>devil: It seems so... (no idea why TBH)
05:20<devil>is that a KDE system?
05:21<EmleyMoor>Mostly Gnome - odd KDE app here and there
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05:21<devil>hm, afaik hal is not needed at all. i am not sure about kde on squeeze though
05:22<devil>for now i would kill the process
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05:26<SynrG>you could try removing hal. see what (if anything) complains
05:26<EmleyMoor>It's as bad or worse in the other drive
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05:35<devil>the CD seems to be destined for a coaster
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05:35<EmleyMoor>devil: Sadly, likely yes...
05:35<EmleyMoor>I wonder if it's still selling
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05:38<Ozeecool>Hey..
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06:19<devil>EmleyMoor: if you won
06:19<devil>ups
06:20<devil>EmleyMoor: if you won't/can't get rid of hal, here is how to stop haldon-storage for good: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/newbie/160675-solved-completely-disabling-hald-addon-storage-not-just-stop-polling.html
06:20<EmleyMoor>I have removed hal
06:20<devil>ok. best solution. let udev handle things
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06:51<EmleyMoor>How, in LibreOffice, do I "hold" two rows of a spreadsheet so that those beneath scroll "behind them"?
06:51<Brustofski-Fan>Can a routers firewall cause problems for debian installer... When its trying to configure dhcp and cant get default rout.. or configure package manager?
06:52<EmleyMoor>Brustofski-Fan: It can - if, for example, it doesn't provide dhcp
06:52<themill>EmleyMoor: drag down the splitter on the top-right edge of the sheet. Window → Freeze
06:53<EmleyMoor>Ah, "freeze" - thanks
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06:55<Brustofski-Fan>EmleyMoor: Only dhcp i see on router setep page is dhcp client list... That tells who is online.. I just added my computer to dmz witch puts me infront of the NAT..
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06:55<book>hello
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07:00<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... is there a way to have Calc sort IP addresses in a sensible fashion? (or can Gnumeric do that?)
07:01<EmleyMoor>(other than by byte/word splitting)
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08:31<EmleyMoor>Is there a spreadsheet with suitable sorting for IP addresses?
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09:01<Brustofski-Fan>belkin N300 must be a junk router... debian installer had trouble setting up dhcp..pluged in my old D-link dir 615 and everything went right thru!!
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09:34<itamar-rs>bom dia?
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09:45<Zathras>hi. Is there a separate tool for browsing APT archives. I want to check if an apt repo has been setup correctly without fubaring a systems apt cache.
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09:50<grove>Zathras: A browser usually works
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09:50<Zathras>a webbrowser?
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09:51<grove>Yes, most apt repositories are accessed by HTTP
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09:52<Zathras>yes. http or ftp. But how will that tell if the repository is setup correctly?
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10:39<roy>hi
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10:39<roy>welcome
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11:32<oliva>hi there ... when you select Separate /home partition in the d-i how the size of the home partition is calculated?
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11:33<tuxer>any nfs experts here?
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11:47<Meister>hey can anybody give me the ubuntu guide for compiling avr-gcc file
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12:34<dandersson>!ubuntu
12:34<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
12:35<dandersson>!ask
12:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:41<gruetzkopf_03>hello. im having a slight problem with compiz. when its tunngin, the mouse buttons only work in gnome-panel or when strl or alt are pressed.,..
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14:44<alchemix>any C programmers able to offer a hand with a little issue I'm facing? simple maths stuff
14:44<Hydroxide>alchemix: you may want to ask ##c on Freenode, but it's off-topic for #debian
14:44<engla>as always, just ask your question
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14:46<alchemix>ok, well its off-topic, for the record.. how does one compute more then 50 or so decimal places in the C language, I'm trying to get PHI using (sqrt(5)+1)/2 and then express this to say, 1000 digits.. but when I use a long double, and printf with %Lf, or %f, I only get no more then 45-50 decimal places.. even if I %.100Lf it still only fills in 49 digits of the recurring number
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14:47<alchemix>so I guess, wanting to know how one would go about accessing infinite numbers using C :)
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14:48<engla>infinite precicion requires infinite storage. the C data types have limited precision by the way
14:49<alchemix>indeed it seems, so what should i do then
14:49<alchemix>i thought this would be a simple matter of programming in the math
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14:49<engla>use an arbitrary precision library or.. implement whatever it does yourself
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14:50<alchemix>is long double the most precise large storage data type in C? or would an array allow further exploration into numbers
14:51<retrospectacus>obviously an array of long doubles holds more data but you'd have to implement calculations etc. yourself. as engla said there exist arbitrary precision libraries for C
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14:52<scientes>alchemix, there is also a quad math (float128) library as part of gcc
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15:20<Pitxyoki>Hi
15:21<retrospectacus>hi Pitxyoki
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15:21<AlexLikeRock>hi
15:21<Pitxyoki>When I send a mail to an address of type bugnumber-done@bugs.debian.org, is this message also sent to all people following the bug?
15:21<Pitxyoki>I already read this -> http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#closing <- but I'm not sure about this.
15:22<Pitxyoki>And will the body of my e-mail be displayed at the bug's page at the bug's http://bugs.debian.org page?
15:22<Pitxyoki>Er... Sorry for the redundancy.
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15:30<sney>Pitxyoki: yes, replying to the bug will email the people who are subscribed and show your reply on the bug report
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15:32<Pitxyoki>Nice! Thanks.
15:32<Pitxyoki>Erm..
15:33<Pitxyoki>I don't mean "replying to the bug" directly.
15:33<Pitxyoki>I mean replying to bugnumber-done.
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15:33<Pitxyoki>I want to close it and say why I'm closing it.
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15:33<Pitxyoki>And I want to know if that will show up on the bug page.
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15:35<sney>Pitxyoki: well, I just went to a bug report for a but that I know is closed, and it looks like the correct address is bugnumber-close@bugs.debian.org
15:36<sney>Pitxyoki: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477454#143 (also read the whole thing, it's fairly hilarious)
15:36<Pitxyoki>In the wiki it says that -close is an alias for -done.
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15:37<sney>just do what you know works, I guess
15:37<Pitxyoki>Yeah, cool. Thanks for the help.
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15:43<AzaToth>what email program is people using which seemingly creates emails with externalized hyper links? or are everyone creating these links manually?
15:43<AzaToth>±grammar
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15:52<Pitxyoki>lol
15:52<Pitxyoki>Brilliant bug report, sney.
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15:58<ompaul>Maulkin: I saw the name for post wheezy I have a smile on my face ;-)
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15:59<ompaul>Maulkin: a happy coincidence
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16:02<Brustofski-Fan>does debian have anything to put the live iso on usb stick?
16:03<nightsh>Brustofski-Fan: dd :-)
16:03<Brustofski-Fan>nightsh: ok
16:03<nightsh>just read the dd man page and you'll be fine
16:03<nightsh>and maybe partition that flash drive if you have more space than on the iso
16:04<nightsh>and target the dd to a specific partition
16:04<nightsh>eh... man dd should do it
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16:12<AlexLikeRock>some one can help me ?
16:12<AlexLikeRock>http://paste.debian.net/180936/
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16:13<AlexLikeRock>i search so much on google :-(
16:14<sney>check your configs
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16:15<Apollo>AlexLikeRock: is dnsmasq running?
16:15<Apollo>also: check /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages
16:17<AlexLikeRock>apollo how do i check that ?
16:17<AlexLikeRock>... the dnsmasq
16:19<Apollo>/etc/init.d/dnsmasq stop
16:20<sney>or 'service dnsmasq status'
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16:22<AlexLikeRock>tanks sney
16:23<AlexLikeRock>dnsmasq: unrecognized service
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16:26<dommer>python question
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16:27<dommer>python 2.7.3 Trying to pack a vbox into a window but it says pack_start is not an attribute of gtk.Window(). Anything I'm doing wrong here?
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16:28<dommer>ex: a.pack_start(vbox)
16:28<dommer>PM if can help
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16:28<AlexLikeRock>i install dnsmasq...
16:28<sney>AlexLikeRock: why?
16:28<AlexLikeRock>then.... service dnsmasq status
16:28<AlexLikeRock>[ ok ] Checking DNS forwarder and DHCP server: dnsmasq[....] (running).
16:29<sney>dommer: maybe ask in #python, either here or on freenode
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16:29<AlexLikeRock>sney : because it was not
16:29<sney>AlexLikeRock: did you have some reason to think that would solve your problem?
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16:31<AlexLikeRock>yes, you guy ask , if are running... then i check and fount " /etc/init.d/dnsmasq ststart bash: /etc/init.d/dnsmasq: No such file or directory "
16:31<AlexLikeRock>and go to sinaptic to install.
16:32<sney>I don't know why Apollo suggested to check that.... what are you trying to do, anyway?
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16:36<AlexLikeRock>sney : How do I check that?
16:36<AlexLikeRock>configs
16:39<sney>you look in the manual for whatever software you are using
16:39<sney>and you learn how to set it up properly
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16:49<dynamikztatik>!jessie
16:49<dpkg>Jessie will be Debian 8.0, the release to follow Wheezy. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html
16:49<dynamikztatik>^_^
16:49<sney>oh, that's going to be confusing.
16:49*sney is called Jesse irl
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16:50<dynamikztatik>Haha
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17:06<AzaToth>Jessie?
17:06<AzaToth>are yee kidding?
17:06<sney>it's the cowgirl
17:07<AzaToth><_<
17:07<AzaToth>sounds dirty
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17:07<sney>hardly.
17:07<sney>!toy story
17:07<dpkg>The names of the Debian releases (buzz, rex, woody, ...) are the characters from the "Toy Story" animated movie. Toy Story was released by Pixar November 22nd, 1995; one year later Debian 1.1 was released. Bruce Perens was the <Debian Project Leader> at the time and also worked for Pixar. See http://wiki.debian.org/ToyStory and ask me about <release history>.
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17:10<AzaToth>sney: second from the top on searching for cowgirl on google ends up at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_on_top_(sex_position)
17:12<heikkila>AzaToth, Google gives you results based on what they think what kind of person you are based on previous searches they have been able to track to you. I got different hits.
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17:18<retrospectacus>AzaToth: anyways it's Jessie, not "cowgirl"
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17:20<AlexLikeRock>hahaha
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17:45<Apollo>sney: I asked because dnsmasq is responsible for 9/10 problems related to virtual interfaces
17:45<Apollo>if he didnt have it installed, it wasnt the culprit...
17:45<Apollo>but now e dun goofed
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17:50<AzaToth>heikkila: heh
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17:59<jhutchins>Is there something special you have to do in debian to get /away to work in irssi?
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18:00<AlexLikeRock>apollo snaey : well, i solvent this time, tanks all one ; apollo and sney. i solvent with out "dnsmasq" like that ; open KVM , add a nuew virtual porject , wht chois the network ; they ask to me if whan a start lan servise, and i answer "yes", and delet it the new project and i use my old project
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18:01<AlexLikeRock>on this time do not helpe dnsmasq,
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18:02<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: Apollo was seeing if you had dsnmasq because it causes problems. He never suggested you should install it.
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18:07<Apollo>jhutchins: no
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18:07<jhutchins>Apollo: /away <reason>
18:07<jhutchins>Apollo: /away just stares at you.
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18:08<jhutchins>Not special to Debian.
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18:20-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
18:20-!-dondelelcaro changed the topic of #debian to: squeeze (6.0.5) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | jessie will be wheezy+1 | lenny EOL 2012-02-06; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | wheezy frozen; /msg dpkg freeze | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC
18:20-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
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18:24<bodhi>helloooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!
18:24<sney>hi
18:25<bodhi>hi
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18:27<bodhi>just missed the lottery by 6 numbers lol
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18:28<sney>that sounds like more than "just missed" - also this is a support channel, if you don't have a debian question you can go to #debian-offtopic or #moocows
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18:33<coreyb>hello team.
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18:35<jparkton>how do I print out my gpg/pgp keys? cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub?
18:36<jparkton>yeh that worked
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18:47<neha>hey i am using ubuntu n mint since long, am wondering how much debian wud be diff from the two, i want to try other distros now
18:48<retrospectacus>!tell neha about why debian
18:49<neha>well i dont know, i want to try more i guess
18:49<retrospectacus>neha: go for it
18:49<Jzebus>Debian takes a little longer to install because things like wireless drivers are not included by default
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18:49<neha>it can be any other as well but i thot of debian first coz mint n ubuntu are debian based
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22:23<TCB13>hello!
22:23<TCB13>Someone with a little bit of time can help me out with routing? :S
22:23-!-tedd [~tedd@cpe-75-84-68-20.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
22:23<tedd>can anyone help my with getting sound working in debian squeeze
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22:24<tedd>05:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. VT1720/24 [Envy24PT/HT] PCI Multi-Channel Audio Controller (
22:24<tedd>thats my audio card
22:24<tedd>its recognized
22:24<TCB13>tedd: no idea… do you know anything about routing?
22:24<tedd>a little
22:24<tedd>basics
22:25<TCB13>I'm having issues with 2 network interfaces
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22:25<TCB13>1. eth0 - Internet Connection via local Router (172.20.1.x , 255.255.255.0)
22:25<TCB13>2. ppp0 - Dial-up to a network without internet (10.x.x.x , 255.255.255.255)
22:25<TCB13>ppp0 is created using sakis3g
22:26<TCB13>basically I want to set eth0 and it's router as my default gateway but allow computers to ping and access services other ppp0
22:26<TCB13>any ideias?
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22:26<tedd>no idea
22:27<TCB13>I tried to
22:27<TCB13>route add default gw 172.20.1.1 eth0
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22:27<TCB13>but then nobody can ping me over ppp0
22:27<TCB13>thanks anyway ;)
22:28<tedd>i didnt know anybody still used dialup
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22:28<TCB13>it's 3G dialup :P
22:28<TCB13>not the old dialup
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22:29<TCB13>the issue is getting the system to route the traffic correctly
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22:35<edjanilson>oi
22:35<TCB13>hey
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22:36<TCB13>anyone… good with routing?
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23:01<TCB13>someone … need a little bit help with routing :)
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23:07<magyar>hi, trying to download debian wheezy using jigdo-lite but not working out
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23:07<magyar>File `jigdo-dvd' does not exist!
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23:12<lfaraone>What's the package that provides the Appearance component of gnome-settings-daemon?
23:13<magyar>i see 11 jigdo dvd files
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23:57<tushar>hii
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