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00:00<perlwizard>the easy no-brainer way would be reinstall and make sure grub installs properly this time
00:00<Gators>but I already know the grub install is broken, so why would I repeat?
00:01<perlwizard>the hard way would involve booting from some removable medium, using chroot and performing grub-install
00:01<perlwizard>Gators what installer are you using ?
00:01<Gators>I tried chroot, it didn't work.
00:01<Gators>um....a cd I downloaded from debian's site
00:01<perlwizard>link to file you downloaded ?
00:02<Gators>that's on my other machine.
00:02<perlwizard>alright,
00:02<Gators>it was the small cd version, that way I could easily instlal without having to burn like 20 something discs
00:02<perlwizard>can you be more specific than "it didn't work"
00:02<perlwizard>when talking about chroot ?
00:03<Gators>anyways, I'm back to the enter rescue mode screen, which only works for do not user a root file system, if I try to select /dev/sdc2 or /dev/sdc5, it fails, but the install is definitely on one of those.
00:03<Gators>So I selected do not use a root file system
00:03<Gators>got to a prompt
00:03<perlwizard>"it fails"
00:03<Gators>tried to chroot /dev/sdc2 /bin/bash, also tried with sdc5, and it gives me
00:03<perlwizard>what fails?
00:03<perlwizard>fails how ?
00:04<Gators>chroot: can't chante root directory to /dev/sdc2 (or 5): Not a directory
00:04<Gators>change
00:04<perlwizard>you need to mount that first
00:05<Gators>ah...the last person helping me failed to mention that
00:05<Gators>or how to do that
00:05<Gators>or what that is
00:05<perlwizard>you might wanna look into chroot manual
00:05<Gators>ok, how do I mount?
00:05<perlwizard>mount /what /where
00:05<perlwizard>there is `man mount` btw
00:05<Gators>how do I determine the /what /where?
00:06<Gators>I'm more into woman mount than man mount
00:06<perlwizard>the /what is your /dev/xyz and /where is your arbitrary mount point (just some directory under which the newly-mounted filesystem would appear)
00:07<Gators>ok, so how do I do this?
00:07<perlwizard>define 'this'
00:07<Gators>Ideally, I'd like to be able to boot into the debian install I did.
00:07<perlwizard>< perlwizard> the hard way would involve booting from some removable medium, using chroot and performing grub-install
00:08<Gators>so I guess this would involve, running the mount commmand, which requires knowing how to determine what to fill in to run it, then get the grub install to work right, so I can dual boot to windows or debian.
00:08<perlwizard>what part of this is not clear enough
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00:08<perlwizard>that is correct
00:08<Gators>Right.
00:08<Gators>But I still don't know how to do any of this.
00:08<perlwizard>define 'any'
00:08<perlwizard>download a debian live image
00:09<perlwizard>boot using it
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00:09<Gators>I don't know what I'm mounting, how to mount it, how to install grub, have it work after the install, and.....that covers it for now.
00:09<perlwizard>mount your /dev/sdwhatever until you find your install
00:09<perlwizard>chroot into it
00:09<Gators>How do I do that?
00:09<perlwizard>-_-
00:10<Gators>Work with me here, I'm not a linux guru.
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00:10<perlwizard>mkdir /tmp/mountpoint1
00:10<perlwizard>mount /dev/sdc2 /tmp/mountpoin1
00:10<perlwizard>chroot /tmp/mountpoint1
00:11<perlwizard>grub-install /dev/sdc
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00:11<Gators>mounting /dev/sdc2 on /tmp/mountpoint1 failed: Input/output error
00:11<perlwizard>pastebin fdisk -l and dmesg
00:12<Gators>it likes sdc5 though
00:12<Gators>to me it appears like sdc2 is a container for 5 and 6, with 5 being where it's installed and 6 something it setup for swap
00:13<Gators>ok, so I did the above procedure with sdc5, and I get this for the grub install:
00:14<Gators>blah - /usr/sbin/grup-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).
00:14<Gators>had to put blah in front, because it thinks I'm running a command if I start a message with a /
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00:15<Gators>So....what does that error mean, and how do I get grub to install?
00:16<perlwizard>hmm, yeah that error makes sense.
00:16<perlwizard>since you're chrooted, you no longer have /dev
00:17<perlwizard>my bad
00:17<Gators>it's cool
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00:18<perlwizard>does the non-chrooted environment have grub-install ?
00:18<Gators>nope.
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00:18<perlwizard>get livecd
00:18<Gators>I just want this thing to boot....there's seriously no way to install grub with what I've got?
00:20<Gators>If I back out of this and go back a few places, I can get the debian installer main menu, from there I can select install the grub boot loader on a hard disk
00:20<Gators>but....I've had no luck going down that path.
00:20<Gators>It wants me to partition stuff, but I've already partitioned and just want the damn thing to install
00:21<perlwizard>Gators try mount -o bind /dev /tmp/mountpoint1/dev
00:21<perlwizard>and then chroot into it
00:21<perlwizard>that might work.
00:21<Gators>alright, but I backed out, not sure where my starting point to run that command needs to be.
00:21<perlwizard>same where you did mkdir /tmp/mountpoint1
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00:22<Gators>so do I chroot /tmp/mountpoint1 or chroot /tmp/mountpoint1/dev?
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00:22<perlwizard>the former
00:22<Gators>um....
00:22<perlwizard>'chroot /tmp/mountpoint1'
00:22<Gators>that means the first one
00:22<Gators>got it
00:22<perlwizard>after binding dev
00:23<Gators>installation finished. no error reported
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00:23<Gators>ok, but.....how do I know it works? It didn't ask me anything to configure or set.
00:24<perlwizard>set your BIOS to boot off of /dev/sdc
00:24<perlwizard>also
00:24<perlwizard>might try running dpkg-reconfigure grub
00:24<Gators>well, since that's the drive that windows is installed on, it already boots to there.
00:24<Gators>run that right now?
00:24<perlwizard>yes
00:24<Gators>type that in as you wrote it?
00:24<perlwizard>(not sure if it's present)
00:24<perlwizard>yes
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00:24<Gators>dpkg-reconfig: not found
00:25<perlwizard>dpkg-reconfigure
00:25<Gators>yeah, just caught that
00:25<perlwizard>if that does something, you should be all set
00:25<perlwizard>if not,
00:25<perlwizard>welp might still have some messing around to do.
00:25<Gators>ok, that gave me all sorts of errors
00:25<perlwizard>yeah
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00:25<perlwizard>figures
00:26<Gators>perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
00:26<Gators>and it goes downhill from there
00:26<perlwizard>Gators try booting
00:26<perlwizard>from it
00:26<Gators>ok, so reboot now?
00:26<perlwizard>yeah, and make sure you're booting from proper hdd
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00:27<Gators>still boots the same as it ever did.
00:27<Gators>Windows is on the same hard drive, so it is booting to that drive.
00:28<perlwizard>you're booting from the wrong hdd
00:28<Gators>but, no grub, just the same old windows boot manager
00:28<Gators>Can't be, windows is on that hard drive
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00:28<perlwizard>what was the *exact* grub-install command that succeeded ?
00:28<Gators>I mean, if windows is on the same hard drive as the debian install, and it boots directly to windows.....isn't it booting to the hard drive that debian is on?
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00:29<Gators>um.....the one you told me to type?
00:29<perlwizard>grub-install /dev/sdc ?
00:29<Gators>right
00:29<perlwizard>you're booting from the wrong hdd
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00:29<perlwizard>I have nothing more to add.
00:29<Gators>Like I said, that's impossible.
00:29<Gators>Explain how that can be?
00:30<perlwizard>you're booting from the wrong hdd
00:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 490] by debhelper
00:30<Gators>How?
00:30<Gators>How is that at all possible?
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00:30<perlwizard>your bios is pointed at a wrong mbr
00:30<Gators>It is the only hard drive that is 320 GB with 2 partitions on it, which is what /sdc is, and is where windows is installed. It just booted to windows, therefore, it booted to that hard drive. And yet you tell me it booted to the wrong hdd. How could that possibly be?
00:31<perlwizard>I asked you to pastebin fdisk -l and dmesg
00:31<pparadis>perhaps the master boot record of the other drive is where the windows bootloader is installed.
00:31<Gators>hmmm....didn't think of that.
00:32<Gators>not sure why windows would install itself like that
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00:32<Gators>but, it is microsoft after all
00:32<pparadis>windows being installed on a particular drive doesn't mean that's the drive the system is booting from, which is what i believe perlwizard is trying to explain to you.
00:32<Gators>well, the c drive is drive 2, perhaps whatever drive 0 is where it's booting from.
00:32<perlwizard>'perhaps'
00:33<pparadis>00:31 < perlwizard> I asked you to pastebin fdisk -l and dmesg
00:33<Gators>one of the down sides of going from ide to s-ata....not always clear what drive is hooked up where.
00:33<perlwizard>...
00:33<pparadis>huh?
00:33<Gators>yeah, I know, but I didn't figure out what that meant before I got the grub install to work.
00:33<perlwizard>Gators
00:33<perlwizard>can you just
00:33<perlwizard>just stop
00:33<perlwizard>for a second ?
00:33*pparadis always knows which drive is hooked up where...
00:34*pparadis goes to brush his teeth
00:34<perlwizard>ok ?
00:34<Gators>well, I know where all the drives are and where they're hooked up.
00:34<perlwizard>Gators
00:34<Gators>They're in the tower, hooked up to the motherboard
00:34<perlwizard>halt
00:34<Gators>anyways, I've switched to boot to another drive.
00:34<perlwizard>...
00:34<Gators>I have grub
00:35<Gators>Seems my windows install on my C: boots from my D:...how's that for a f---ed up install?
00:35<perlwizard>still waiting for fdisk -l paste
00:35<perlwizard>not paying attention to much else
00:35<Gators>I'm not at a prompt where I could even run that right now.
00:36<Gators>Thank you perlwizard, I greatly appreciate your help.
00:36<Gators>And thank you pparadis for guiding me to the answer that was staring me in the face.
00:36<perlwizard>< perlwizard> the hard way would involve booting from some removable medium
00:36<perlwizard>< perlwizard> download a debian live image
00:36<perlwizard>< perlwizard> get livecd
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00:37<pparadis>Gators: sure thing
00:37<perlwizard>how many more clues do you need ? :)
00:37<Gators>debian is booting at the moment, so I'm good here, until I try to figure out how to do things in debian instead of windows.
00:37<pparadis>imma go to bed now. goodnight all \o
00:37<perlwizard>nn pparadis
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00:37<Gators>hmmm....how do I configure my monitors?
00:38<Gators>I have 2 monitors, they are both showing the same thing now.
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00:39<perlwizard>there is a way to do it using xorg.conf
00:39<perlwizard>but there is probably more debian-ish way
00:39<Gators>found it.
00:40<Gators>although now it's set my left monitor as the main one
00:40<Gators>ah well, I'll have to dick aorund a bit and figure things out.
00:42<Gators>oooh....games....this could be fun.
00:43<Gators>so what browser do all the cool kids use in linux? Is there a firefox for linux?
00:43<dsplayer14>Yeah, its called Iceweasel
00:43<perlwizard>aptitude install iceweasel
00:43<dsplayer14>I use Google Chrome tho. I don't wanna have to figure out how to install flash manually(ALWAYS have a hard time with flash...)
00:44<perlwizard>yeah
00:44<Gators>so flash doesn't install easy in linux?
00:44<dsplayer14>Not as easy as Windows. I can say that
00:44<perlwizard>err
00:44<perlwizard>not really?
00:45<perlwizard>aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
00:45<perlwizard>done?
00:45<dsplayer14>...
00:45<dsplayer14>wat
00:45<perlwizard>wat indeed
00:45<dsplayer14>Are you serious?
00:45<perlwizard>are you?
00:45<dsplayer14>Oh my god...
00:45<Gators>ok, I downloaded firefox, but....now what? It doesn't just install like in windows. Not sure what to do with this thing I downloaded.
00:46<dsplayer14>Youre right perlwizard!
00:46<perlwizard>Gators what part of "aptitude install iceweasel" you didn't get
00:46<Gators>just 3
00:46<perlwizard>list them
00:46<Gators>you really don't want me to
00:46<perlwizard>please do.
00:46<Gators>aptitude
00:46<Gators>install
00:46<Gators>iceweasel
00:46<perlwizard>alright
00:46<dsplayer14>Well, I dunno how to install flash so were in the same boat friend
00:46<Gators>ok, but seriously....is that what I type at a prompt?
00:47<dsplayer14>sudo
00:47<perlwizard>yes
00:47<dsplayer14>sudo first
00:47<perlwizard>sudo is meh
00:47<dsplayer14>?!
00:47<perlwizard>you do su -
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00:47<perlwizard>log in as root
00:47<dsplayer14>you dare devil.
00:47<perlwizard>do root business
00:47<perlwizard>and log out
00:47<dsplayer14>Your telling a guy how cant install iceweasel, to install iceweasel, in a root shell?
00:48<Gators>um....what's a cubit?
00:48<perlwizard>a cubit? -_-
00:48<dsplayer14>8 cubits = 1 cubyte.
00:48<perlwizard>where did you get that from
00:48<Gators>I'm quoting a Bill Cosby routine
00:48<perlwizard>who's bill cosby ?
00:48<dsplayer14>...
00:49<Gators>god saying to noah "you will build an ark this many cubits wide by this many cubits high and this many cubits....."
00:49<dsplayer14>He just zippity boopity my dobbity floobity
00:49<Gators>"right......what's a cubit?"
00:49<perlwizard>Gators do you know how to use a terminal
00:49<Gators>well, I found it and have it open, so that's a start
00:49<Gators>is that like a dos prompt?
00:49<perlwizard>ok
00:49<perlwizard>do you know how to become root in terminal ?
00:49<dsplayer14>GOD NO
00:50<Gators>ok, but I did find iceweasel, so I'm thinking that's already installed, but I downloaded a firefox installer and don't know how to run it.
00:50<dsplayer14>Unix shell > DOS Prompt K?
00:50<perlwizard>Gators if you have iceweasel installed
00:50<perlwizard>that's basically your firefox
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00:50<perlwizard>problem solved
00:50<dsplayer14>he should. This is debian.
00:50<dsplayer14>Iceweasel is a fork of firefox
00:50<dsplayer14>same thing
00:50<dsplayer14>just diff name
00:50<Gators>ok. just curious though, if they're the same, how come there's a firefox install for linux?
00:51<dsplayer14>Branding issues
00:51<perlwizard>it's a long story
00:51<perlwizard>and it isn't pretty
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00:51<perlwizard>just stick to iceweasel
00:51<dsplayer14>It isnt?
00:51<Gators>Got it.
00:51<dsplayer14>I just thought Mozilla said no so debian made iceweasel
00:51<Gators>so, now I have my linux dos prompt up, and I can do that easy flash install from there?
00:52<perlwizard>step 0 would be stopping calling terminal a dos prompt
00:52<dsplayer14>sudo apt-get install wat persaid
00:52<dsplayer14>like i said: Unix shell > DOS Prompt K?
00:52<perlwizard>step 1 would probably be becoming root
00:52<perlwizard>step 2 would be probably enabling non-free repository
00:52<Gators>apparently jonathan is not in the sudoers file, and this incident will be reported.
00:53<dsplayer14>su
00:53<Gators>When should I expect the linux police to show up?
00:53<perlwizard>and then aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
00:53<perlwizard>Gators su -
00:53<dsplayer14>do visudo
00:53<perlwizard>not sudo
00:53<perlwizard>this is not ubuntu
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00:53<Gators>right....so I type in what?
00:53<perlwizard>'su -'
00:53<denaric4>Hello
00:53<perlwizard>hi
00:54<dsplayer14>sure just type su, perl does flash integrate with iceweasel automatically?
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00:54<dsplayer14>install?
00:54<denaric4>cool im not alone
00:54<dsplayer14>integrate?
00:54<Gators>ok, so I'm in as root now
00:54<perlwizard>flashplugin-nonfree integrates with every known browser
00:54<perlwizard>afaik.
00:54<dsplayer14>Ok
00:54<dsplayer14>well thanks for that
00:54<perlwizard>np
00:54<dsplayer14>now I can uninstall this closed source piece o crap.
00:55<perlwizard>flashplugin-nonfree is still a closed-source piece of crap.
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00:55<dsplayer14>yeah, but its not a full browser
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00:55<Gators>alrighty, so now what do I do?
00:55<perlwizard>enable non-free repositories
00:55<perlwizard>unless you have religious issues with that kind of thing
00:56<Gators>Well, I was raised Catholic....but I'm recovering.
00:56<dsplayer14>XD
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00:56<Gators>how do I enable non-free repositories?
00:56<dsplayer14>gotta nano into /etc/apt/source.list
00:56<simonlnu>sources.list*
00:56<dsplayer14>gotta nano into /etc/apt/sources.list
00:56<dsplayer14>yea
00:57<nevyn>then apt-get install sudo and configure it ;)
00:57<Gators>ok, there's a few things I'm unclear on with that.
00:57<simonlnu>nevyn: heh
00:57<perlwizard>hehe
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00:57<simonlnu>!non-free
00:57<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
00:57<Gators>what's a nano, and how do I do that?
00:57<dsplayer14>nano is a text editor
00:57<perlwizard>I gtg
00:57<dsplayer14>you would type nano /etc/apt/sources.list
00:57<perlwizard>have fun guys
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00:57<dsplayer14>ya cya
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00:58<simonlnu>!non-free sources
00:58<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
00:58<dsplayer14>What simon said basically.
00:58<Gators>ok, but why am I doing all of this? What does it all mean?
00:58<dsplayer14>Your trying to install flash right?
00:59<simonlnu>you need to do that because flashplayer-nonfree is in... non-free
00:59<dsplayer14>Its closed source. Debian attempts to keep closed source out and open source in
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00:59<Gators>so I'm bypassing this.
00:59<simonlnu>like the bot said, run an update once you're done
00:59<dsplayer14>yeah
00:59<Gators>but, what does nano mean, and why am I running it? what does it do?
00:59<dsplayer14>nano is a text editor
00:59<dsplayer14>you use it to edit text files like sources.list
01:00<dsplayer14>sources.list is a bunch of text that tells aptitude what packages it can download
01:00<Gators>oh, ok, so now I'm in my sources.list and am editing it.
01:00<Gators>This feels dangerous.
01:00<dsplayer14>I hope you get used to that feeling...
01:00<dsplayer14>or lose it
01:01<dsplayer14>so, dont delete anything
01:01<simonlnu>once you've typed that in, do ^o (ctrl-o), to write the file, then ^x to exit
01:01<simonlnu>if you made a mistake, just do ^x then say no
01:01<dsplayer14>just add "non-free" and "contrib" after you see "main"
01:01<dsplayer14>^ meaning Ctrl
01:02<Gators>I'm not sure what I'm writing where
01:02<dsplayer14>Ill give you a link to my sources.list. I have what you need in it
01:02<Gators>I really don't know what I'm doing.
01:02<simonlnu>say you have a line like: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main . add " contrib non-free" after "main"
01:03<Gators>so do I have to write that after every main?
01:03<dsplayer14>Well, no. Just the first line if you want to
01:03<simonlnu>won't hurt
01:03<Gators>the first is adequate though?
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01:03<dsplayer14>yea
01:03<simonlnu>but up to you, certainly the main repo. and possibly the security one
01:04<dsplayer14>oh yeah and the 3rd
01:04<dsplayer14>thats the security repo
01:04*simonlnu would do the security one
01:04<Gators>what are the 2nd and 4th?
01:04<dsplayer14>source code
01:04<Gators>and what about the 5th and 6th?
01:04<dsplayer14>erm
01:04<dsplayer14>oh wait
01:04<Gators>so just the 1st and 3rd then
01:04<simonlnu>deb-src is where you get what's called source packages
01:04<dsplayer14>do you have CD-ROM in your sources.list?
01:05<Gators>so all of them
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01:05<dsplayer14>yeah just go ahead and do all of them
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01:05<dsplayer14>itll work
01:05<Gators>I don't see cd-rom anywhere in this file, should i?
01:05<simonlnu>that's where you get the source to *build* a (set of) package(s)
01:05<dsplayer14>no you shouldnt. I thought of something. nevermind
01:05<simonlnu>Gators: won't matter if you do... best to comment it out if you did
01:06<Gators>so now the pink main is instead main contrib non-free for all of them
01:06<simonlnu>good
01:06<dsplayer14>yeppers
01:06<dsplayer14>hit ctrl+x
01:06<dsplayer14>y to save
01:06<dsplayer14>enter to save file name
01:06<Gators>got it
01:07<dsplayer14>so then you would run apt-get (or aptitude) flashplugin-nonfree
01:07<gsb>Gators: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
01:07<Gators>no candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree
01:08<dsplayer14>aptitude update
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01:08<dsplayer14>then aptitude flashplugin-nonfree
01:09<gsb>dsplayer14: aptitude *install* flashplugin-nonfree
01:09<Gators>lots of stuff that ends with This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers
01:09<dsplayer14>erm yeah. gsb is right. its aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
01:09<gsb>Gators: you ran as root?
01:09<Gators>ok, think that did it
01:10<dsplayer14>try viewing a youtube vid in iceweasel
01:10<Gators>So, what messenger program that logs in to aim and msn do all the cool kids use in linux?
01:10<dsplayer14>"cool kids use in linux" Recognize.
01:11<dsplayer14>Pidgin. Kopete I think is one too
01:11<Gators>excellent, I use pidgin in windows
01:11<se7en>and they don't use msn :)
01:11<dsplayer14>your name is ironic.
01:11<dsplayer14>or made that ironic
01:11<dsplayer14>imo
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01:12<Gators>wow, I have sound
01:12<Gators>that's a surprise
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01:12<Gators>now to figure out how to use my delta 1010-lt soundcard to it's fullest capabilities
01:12<gsb>any reason why my flash videos have no sound?
01:12<dsplayer14>Uh, whats your DE?
01:12<gsb>video run fine
01:13<Gators>well, in windows I use the 1-2 output of my 1010lt sound card as my primary device, not the onboard sound card.
01:13<Gators>debian automatically did that.
01:13<dsplayer14>I use KDE. My videos were silent too. Turns out Kmixer muted everything...
01:13<Gators>oh, yeah, the video ran fine too.
01:13<Gators>so I have sound and video
01:13<Gators>which puts me ahead of my last attempt at this.
01:14<gsb>dsplayer14: me too on KDE
01:15<gsb>dsplayer14: amarok, vlc, mplayer all have sound. just flash videos don't have
01:16<gsb>i am on debian testing but that shouldn't matter
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01:18<Gators>ok, so, is there a way I can set it so that my right monitor is the primary monitor, instead of the left?
01:19<Gators>and...how do I install pidgin? I went to their site, but they don't have an installer for me to download.
01:19<dsplayer14>To start of, if you havent already, check your "System Settings" for the monitor. aptitude install pidgin will install pidgin for you
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01:20<Gators>well, I found the settings that let me set it to have 2 monitors instead of the same on each, but that didn't let me set one as primary.
01:22<gsb>dsplayer14: yes, youtube videos are run by Adobe Flash Player
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01:25<Gators>so, what are the cool kids using for mp3s and flac and such, is there something like winamp?
01:26<dsplayer14>vlc is a good choice
01:26<Gators>but that's for video
01:26<dsplayer14>and music
01:27<dsplayer14>if you wanted a program for JUST music. well you can try Amarok (KDE) or rhythmbox (Gnome/XFCE/LXDE)
01:28<Gators>Do one of those look and feel like winamp?
01:29<dsplayer14>I cant say that they LOOK like winamp
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01:30<gsb>use audacious if you wnat winamp look
01:30<gsb>i gues i will manage with iceweasal when using youtube
01:30<Gators>does this aptitude install (name of program) work for everything?
01:31<dsplayer14>not for EVERYTHING but for a lot of things
01:31<Gators>alsa error no suitable mixer element found
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01:33<dsplayer14>Gators, have a look at this page and see if it helps you. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53708
01:34<Gators>the player does work though
01:35<Gators>ok, so now I'm trying to install teamtalk, which has a debian installer I downloaded, but....what do I do with it?
01:35<Gators>It's not just an executable I run.
01:35<dsplayer14>is a .deb file?
01:35<dsplayer14>is it*
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01:35<Gators>it ends with .tar.gz
01:35<Gators>which opens to a bunch of folders and files
01:35<dsplayer14>oh, so you have the source code
01:35<dsplayer14>OK, time for a lesson!
01:36<dsplayer14>So, what you have is called a tarball
01:36<dsplayer14>its the equivalent to a zipped archive in windows
01:36<Gators>ok
01:36<gps23>Irc on iPhone is cool!!
01:37<dsplayer14>So, what we gotta do is uncompress the tarball, and then compile il
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01:38<Gators>ok
01:38<dsplayer14>So, uh. where did you download the tar.gz file? Im assuming its in /home/(yourusername)/downloads right?
01:38<Gators>if that's the default, then yes.
01:38<dsplayer14>ok so using the terminal, go to that directory
01:39<Gators>no such file or directory
01:39<dsplayer14>the command is cd /home/(yourusername)/downloads if you did not know
01:39<Gators>yeah, I did that
01:39<dsplayer14>really?
01:39<Gators>yeah
01:39<dsplayer14>try checking /home/(yourusername)
01:40<Gators>Downloads
01:40<dsplayer14>check that
01:40<Gators>ok, I'm in there.
01:40<Gators>it's Downloads with a capital D
01:40<dsplayer14>oops. My bad
01:40<Gators>no worries
01:41<dsplayer14>so to make sure that the tarball is in there, you will need to view the files and folders in the Downloads directory. You can do so by typing "ls"
01:42<Gators>ok, turns out it isn't there
01:42<Gators>let me check the browser's settings
01:42<dsplayer14>ok
01:43<Gators>it's in tmp, but I should be able to drag and drop to downloads
01:43<dsplayer14>if you want to
01:43<Gators>ok, my tarball is in downloads, and I'm in downloads in my console
01:43<dsplayer14>ok, so now we gotta uncompress it. you can do that by typing "tar -xvf filename.tar.gz"
01:44<dsplayer14>tar is the name of the command -xvf is just some added options
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01:44<Gators>ok
01:44<dsplayer14>got it uncompressed?
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01:45<Gators>yup
01:46<dsplayer14>alrighty, so it should have added a directory in your, uh, Downloads directory. see if it did
01:46<Gators>yeah it did
01:46<dsplayer14>ok so go into that directory
01:47<Gators>ok, that has a client and server folders.
01:47<dsplayer14>you probably want the client folder
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01:47<Gators>But I only want to setup a client to connect to a server
01:47<Gators>right
01:47<Gators>ok, so I'm in the client folder
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01:47<dsplayer14>so now we gotta compile the program. This could take 10 seconds or 3 hours. So, lets see what happens
01:48<dsplayer14>is there a README file?
01:48<Gators>there is
01:49<dsplayer14>Read that and see if it has anything worth noting. if you are in the terminal you can just run "nano README"
01:49<Gators>well, I just browsed out to it double clicked and it's open
01:49<Gators>it tells me things that need to be installed first
01:50<dsplayer14>oook. can list off a few of the program names?
01:50<Gators>well, it gave me an apt-get install command to run, which I'm running, to get them all
01:50<dsplayer14>oh, ok good
01:51<Gators>ok, did that all
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01:52<Gators>so now what do I do to compile the program?
01:53<dsplayer14>first try typing ./configure in the terminal
01:54<Gators>./configure: No such file or directory
01:54<dsplayer14>are you root?
01:54<Gators>yes
01:54<dsplayer14>ok, uh, lets see...
01:54<dsplayer14>can you paste the names of the files on this website and then paste the link?: http://www.paste.debian.net
01:56<Gators>invalid link
01:56<Gators>but there's libTeamTalk4.so
01:56<Gators>run.sh
01:56<Gators>teamtalk4
01:56<Gators>readme
01:56<Gators>and a help folder and languages folder
01:56<dsplayer14>check out the help folder
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01:57<dsplayer14>had to remove the www... silly me.
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01:58<Gators>ok, what am I looking for?
01:58<dsplayer14>Well, anything that can help you with the compiling
01:59<Gators>right......how do I know what to find?
01:59<dsplayer14>Are there text files in the help directory?
01:59<Gators>html and png
02:00<dsplayer14>open up the html one
02:00<Gators>several of each, I mean
02:00<Gators>these seem to just be help files on how ot use the program once it is installed.
02:00<dsplayer14>oh are they? ok
02:00<dsplayer14>well nevermind that then
02:01<dsplayer14>the run.sh file
02:01<dsplayer14>thats a shell script
02:01<dsplayer14>you probably just need to run that.
02:02<Gators>how?
02:02<dsplayer14>./run.sh I belive. I don't normally run into shell scripts
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02:04<Gators>ok
02:04<dsplayer14>That do it?
02:04<Gators>so I don't compile it, I just run it?
02:04<dsplayer14>correct.
02:04<Gators>ok, a few things. Then in that case, I want to move this folder out of my downloads folder, and into something more like a program files folder
02:04<Gators>and then, how do I make a shortcut on the desktop to run the program?
02:04<dsplayer14>I thought that this was source code, but its just a shell script that makes life a little easier on you.
02:05<dsplayer14>Ok, well first, can you paste the contents of the shell script and send me the link on http://paste.debian.net (right link this time)?
02:06<dsplayer14>if you want you can use your graphical file manager
02:06<Gators>contents of the shell script?
02:06<Gators>what is linux's version of the program files folder? where would an appropriate place to put this be?
02:06<dsplayer14>yeah, the shell script is really just a bunch of text that tells the computer to do stuff. Like a programming language
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02:08<Gators>oh, I can just double click on the file and run it
02:08<Gators>so, once I have this saved where it should go, I can make a shortcut to that
02:08<Gators>ok....but, I really don't know where this folder should go
02:08<dsplayer14>I was thinking that the script might put different files in different places
02:08<dsplayer14>there really isnt a "Program Files" folder in Linux
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02:09<Gators>so where is linux installing all these programs to?
02:09<dsplayer14>different directories all over your computer.
02:09<dsplayer14>It sounds a little unorganized, but trust me, it is.
02:09<dsplayer14>its just different than windows
02:09<Gators>see, this is one thing I never got about linux.....it doesn't tell me where it's putting everything, and so I have no control or clue as to the contents of the hard drive.
02:09<gdb>Gators: There is no "Program Files"-like folder. And it's not really that disorganized, it's just organized by file role, not application bundle.
02:10<dsplayer14>it is not I mean to say
02:10<dsplayer14>Im getting tired...
02:10<gdb>Gators: binaries go in /bin, configuration goes in /etc, runtime stuff goes in /var, user configuration goes in your home directory.
02:10<Gators>ok then, I'll just make a program files folder
02:10<dsplayer14>ehhh
02:10<dsplayer14>Well, try running the script first
02:10<gdb>For your applications, you can preface those with /usr other than /etc
02:11<Gators>umm.....right......what?
02:11<gdb>Most of the configuration for applications in /usr/bin is in /usr/share
02:11<Gators>What's a cubit?
02:11<dsplayer14>Youre confused?
02:11<gdb>the length of an adult male's forearm, generally ~18 inches
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02:12<gdb>;-)
02:12<Gators>right
02:12<gdb>Gators: What are you trying to install?
02:12<Gators>teamtalk 4
02:12<gdb>And it's all one bundle of software?
02:12<gdb>That you're wanting to install by hand?
02:12<Gators>um....ok
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02:13<Gators>I have a folder. There's a file in there. I double click on it, select run, the program runs.
02:13<gdb>I don't know what teamtalk 4 is, so you'll have to help me out here. :-)
02:13<gdb>Ah, okay. Well, the usual location for this sort of thing (a 3rd party "stand alone" application) is /opt
02:13<Gators>when I doubleclick on run.sh, and then click run, the program opens
02:13<dsplayer14>Ah, so it does run with run.sh!
02:13<gdb>In this case, it would be /opt/teamtalk4 or whatever you'd like to call it.
02:13<Gators>I just want this folder saved out somewhere.
02:14<dsplayer14>Yeah, listen to gdb
02:14<Gators>it won't let me move it there
02:14<Gators>permission denied
02:14<Gators>Does this install not know who I am?
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02:15<Gators>I installed it, I am God as far as it is concerned.
02:15<gdb>Gators: You'll need to be root to put it there.
02:15<dsplayer14>well are you using the terminal?
02:15<dsplayer14>or the graphical file manager?
02:15<Gators>no, drag and drop
02:15<Gators>why do linux people like to do everything from a terminal?
02:15<dsplayer14>Cause were awesome like that.
02:15<gdb>The only location on your system you'll be able to access via drag and drop is your own home directory, /tmp, and /var/tmp (and those last 2 should not be used for this).
02:16<Gators>but drag and drop is so easy and useful.....why hinder such a useful tool?
02:16<dsplayer14>you can type "su" and then type cp /home/yourusername/Downloads/programname /opt
02:16<gdb>Well, that's a very good feature request for your file manager of choice. "Copy/Move as root user" and then being prompted for credentials. I don't know if Nautilus or Dolphin support that now (and I suspect they don't).
02:17<dsplayer14>you could try gksu (for gnome/lxde/xfce) or kdesu (for KDE) I suppose
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02:17<gdb>Gators: Which desktop environment are you using?
02:17<dsplayer14>followed by the name of your file manager
02:17<gdb>Gators: If you did a default install of Debian, I'd suspect you're using GNOME.
02:18<dsplayer14>so "gksu nautilus" would do the trick
02:18<Gators>ok, the cp command ran
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02:18<Gators>with one small problem
02:18<Gators>it ommited the directory
02:19<Gators>which means, it did absolutely nothing
02:19<gdb>Yes, are you wanting a copy in both places or are you wanting it moved to /opt?
02:19<Gators>but....the command did run....so I have that going for me.
02:19<Gators>move, copy, I don't care, I just want it in opt
02:19<Gators>it isn't there
02:19<gdb>Gators: If you want to copy it, then you'll need to use some options like -av "cp -av YourFolder /opt"
02:19<dsplayer14>yeah it didnt move it to the /opt directory
02:19<dsplayer14>were you root when you ran the command?
02:19<Gators>yes, I was root
02:20<Gators>ok, here's what I'm gonna do
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02:20<Gators>I'm gonna reboot, and go back to Windows, where it doesn't take a f---ing hour to do one damn simple task.
02:20<gdb>Gators: And I'd honestly suggest a book on basic Unix. Without at least a minimum of familarity with the command line, you're going to have a tough time using the system with anything other than the default applications Debian provides.
02:20<gdb>It is a simple task.
02:20<Gators>I do have some basics of it, I can navigate around
02:20<Gators>and I've used vi
02:21<Gators>and I can reboot a server at work
02:21<gdb>cp <-- copy, -av <-- preserving permissions/acting recursively, ie; "do all", and do it "v"erbosely.
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02:21<Gators>An OS that can't let me drag and drop is absolutely useless to me.
02:21<gdb>(a, actually means "archive" in this context)
02:22<gdb>Well, you can't drag and drop anything to Program Files on Windows, either, without being an admistrative account so I'm not really clear on what the issue is here.
02:22<Gators>I mean, really, it's a pretty damn basic concept.
02:22<Gators>I always run windows as a local admin
02:22<dsplayer14>You dont do that in Unix
02:23<Gators>then how do you get anything done?
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02:23<simonlnu>typing stuff ;). you'll see it's a lot more efficient
02:23<dsplayer14>well the majority of things I can do without being root (admin), but when I need those priveleges I just use the... terminal...
02:23<dsplayer14>sudo is a very nice program
02:24<simonlnu>*and* you can do it from anywhere (with ssh)
02:24<Gators>I mean, as it is, I always set computers I deploy to users up so the user has local admin rights, otherwise you run into lots of calls about random errors because of permission issues, programs seem to rely on the user having access. Things just don't work without it.
02:24<gdb>Normally, you just "drag and drop" things around and click on the icons. When you need to act as an admistrator, you either login to the computer as root or you use the command line utilities to act in an administrative role. For some actions (user config, network config, firewall config, etc) the system will prompt you for credentials in the GUI tools.
02:24<gdb>That's correct, and why Windows has that legacy. It started as a single user operating system onto which multi-user was bolted on. So the way to work with the legacy smoothly is to make everyone an admin.
02:25<gdb>Unix started as a multi-user operating system so it's unnecessary.
02:25<gdb>with that legacy*
02:25<Gators>Unnecessary my ass!
02:25<Gators>I think I just proved how necessary it is.
02:25<simonlnu>hence the problems with win ;)
02:25<gdb>No, you proved how resistant to learning you are.
02:25<Gators>I just spent over an hour trying to do what should have taken 5 minutes.
02:25<gdb>Please go back to Windows.
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02:26<simonlnu>Gators: it does take 5 minutes, even less than that
02:26<Gators>It would take 5 seconds if I had the ability to utilize the drag and drop
02:26<dsplayer14>sudo cp /home/blah/blah /opt/blah does it for me
02:26<simonlnu>uh, no
02:26<Gators>I mean, linux gives me windows, lets me drag when I click on something....but what use is that if I can't have permission to it?
02:26*simonlnu sighs
02:27<dsplayer14>It makes sure that you dont bork your system usually...
02:27<dsplayer14>Thats what it does.
02:27<dsplayer14>Like gdb said. Unix started out as a MULTI user enviroment
02:28<gdb>It's quite easy to setup /opt to be managed by you own user account. I do that on my own systems (/usr/local, as well), but that requires some poking around in CLI to get working and thus likely outside the scope of this discussion.
02:28<Gators>is there a script you could provide that does that?
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02:29<gdb>I don't have a script for it, no. I set /opt and /usr/local (and all directories under it) to chmod 2775 and then put myself in the adm group (this also lets me read log files in /var/log).
02:30<Gators>Oh, is that all?
02:30<gdb>2775 is rwxrwsr-x
02:30<Gators>now you're just making words up
02:30<dsplayer14>Crap.
02:30<gdb>You know that Windows has these same concepts, yes?
02:31<gdb>In fact, Windows permissions are an order of magnitude more finely grained than Unix.
02:31<Gators>I'm sure they are, but I can set myself as local admin by going into the management console and setting it.
02:31<gdb>Then do that here. (you'll need to do this in terminal, and need familiarity with vi)...
02:31<gdb># vipw
02:32<gdb>and set your own user id and group id to "0"
02:32<gdb>voila, you're a local admin
02:32<Gators>ok then. One thing I didn't really think about though....how would I run my m-audio delta 1010-lt sound card?
02:32<gdb>(That's a really terrible idea, of course, but it seems to give you the results you're looking for.)
02:33<gdb>I don't know what that is, but being hardware, it should "just work." The kernel should find it at boot and load the appropriate kernel module (read: driver) for it.
02:34<Gators>well, it's an 8 input 8 output sound card that comes with software to control the levels and routings of the inputs and outputs
02:34<Gators>It's quite essential for my show, as I set different inputs for different programs that are fed by aux sends on the boards, and different outputs back to different channels, so that I can have my windows sounds, teamtalk, and skype all running, with people able to hear each other without hearing themselves loop back.
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02:36<Gators>so, it may have installed drivers, but I need my control console for it.
02:36<Gators>Not sure how to get that.
02:38<Gators>well, anyways, this has been interesting, maybe I'll boot into it again sometime. Or maybe my windows partition will run out of space, so I'll junk it and expand back into it. Not sure yet.
02:38<Gators>But, hey, thanks guys for your help, patience, and interesting conversation.
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02:48<N8s7tt3r>hi
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03:05<dragondon_>fy kikn74
03:05<qpr>morning/afternoon/evening! Quick question about Oracle JDK...how do i know if it's installed, what version and what directory?
03:05<devil>qpr: you can instgall java-package
03:05<devil>-g
03:06<qpr>devil, thanks. should i use apt-get or aptitude or doesn't matter?
03:07<devil>nope. look at http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage
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03:09<qpr>thanks, devil. will read up
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03:45<oskie>if I have a bad sector on a disk in an MD array, is there a way to ask MD to reconstruct & rewrite the sector if possible?
03:45<ansgar>oskie: Mark disk as failed, replace and rebuild?
03:46<oskie>ansgar: that would put the whole array at risk. also, I don't want to replace the whole disk. Rewriting the sector should cause it to be relocated by the drive itself
03:47<gdb>oskie: If the disk has bad sectors that aren't being handled by the disk's internal controller, then your array is already at risk and the disk is "FAILING" (to use vxvm parlance). You should remove it from the array and replace it.
03:48<oskie>gdb: how should a bad sector be handled by the controller? should it not cause a read error?
03:48<gdb>oskie: The disk's internal controller should remap the bad sectors to an unused area of the disk. If it's not doing that, the disk is dying.
03:49<gdb>oskie: It's automatic, there's nothing the user need to for this remapping to work.
03:49<gdb>If it's *not* working, that's a sign of a failing disk.
03:49<oskie>gdb: that is not entirely correct. it should remap the sector, but there will still be a read error. the OS should be informed about the read error
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03:49<gdb>Wrong
03:49<gdb>it's remapped by the disk itself
03:49<gdb>that area doesn't exist as far as the OS is concerned
03:49<gdb>it's remapped in the disk controller itself
03:50<oskie>gdb: remapping only happens when the sector is written to. not read.
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03:51<oskie>I've remapped sectors before by overwriting the file containing the specific sector with zeroes
03:51<gdb>Yes, I understand that. :-) And that there's bad data stuck in that part of the disk is bad joojoo for you. :-) Your options are 1. fail the disk and replace it, 2. fail the disk and remove it (in software) and reinitialize it so those sectors can be remapped, then reinsert it into the array
03:51<gdb>I'd replace it, myself.
03:52<gdb>I mean, this is what RAID is for! (aside from # of spindles for performance)
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03:52<oskie>gdb: not even with big raid5 systems you replace a disk with bad sectors until the bad sectors have been rewritten...
03:52<gdb>...
03:53<gdb>You have a disk with some garbage on it. Your data is safely stored elsewhere and is being rebuilt on the fly (for that sector) out of parity since it can't read the actual data itself. The disk is bad. Replace it. Why are you resistant to a routine disk replacement?
03:54<oskie>gdb: If I fail the disk by removing it, and there are bad blocks (yet undiscovered) on other disks, I will have data loss!
03:54<gdb>Is every other device in the array good? If so, you'll be fine.
03:55<gdb>This is why most raid5s have a spare. Or people use raid6. I don't use either, I go for raid10.
03:55<gdb>(raid1 at home!)
03:55<gdb>Seriously, this is routine. :-) There's nothing to be worried about. :-)
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03:56<gdb>We have raid so we can easily replace failing/failed disks on the fly while keeping our data intact. What you're needing to do is *why* we have raid. :-)
03:57<gdb>No, there is no way to tell mdadm to somehow work some magic to rebuild a "good" sector somewhere else on the disk out of the parity stripe.
03:57<oskie>I've been working with large RAID-5 arrays that got bad sectors, and IBM recommended us to fix those by finding out what data (files) got the bad sectors and rewrite that. It is the same with linux MD raid arrays
03:58<gdb>If you want to figure out which file is there and copy it somewhere else so an intact copy is written somewhere, that's fine.
03:58<oskie>gdb: the thing is, you can't read the file that is damaged. you have to rewrite it.
03:58<gdb>So where do you get that from? Your backup?
03:58<oskie>exactly
03:59<gdb>So you have the backup you need to do that in this case?
03:59<oskie>yes I do, but I guess I have to find out the damaged file first...
03:59<gdb>(What I'm getting at is that if you have that backup, just replace the disk, if the raid fails, use the backup to restore the volume)
03:59<gdb>:-D
03:59<gdb>it will be a lot less work, just as safe, and faster to just replace the disk :-)
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04:00<gdb>(then pull your single file out of the backup for rewriting it if you still have concerns at that point)
04:00<oskie>no, it will not be just as safe... RAID-5 is risky business when a drive fails and the whole array needs to be reread to be rebuilt
04:01<oskie>and the drive isn't actually failed
04:01<oskie>it just has bad sectors
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04:01<gdb>that's why you fail it
04:01<gdb>manually
04:01<gdb>fail the failing disk
04:01<gdb>sets the array to degraded state and it starts reading out of parity
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04:02<gdb>And if you don't feel raid5 is safe enough to handle a routine disk replacement, then please look at using something other than raid5.
04:02<gdb>(for example, raid6)
04:02<oskie>people say raid6 has horrible performance for production
04:02<oskie>but I will look into other alternatives like raid1 or 10
04:03<gdb>raid10 will give you ND/2 capacity
04:03<oskie>this is for my home array so I don't feel like replacing a drive that only has a few bad sectors that can be relocated
04:03<gdb>(number of devices, not sure whatelse to use!)
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04:03<gdb>Unless there's some mdadm option I am not familiar with, I don't know of a way to do that. You can't relocate data that's already bad.
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04:05<Rajesh_> I am a basic home user, is kfreeBSD Debian good for me?
04:06<simonlnu>why not. there's others using it as such.
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04:08<gdb>Debian/kFreeBSD just makes me angry. :-(
04:08*simonlnu has used it, but no driver for video
04:09<gdb>It's this giant millstone Debian has tied around its own neck for reasons I can't begin to fathom. "Oh noes! All this Linux crap won't work on the FreeBSD version! RC bug!!"
04:09<simonlnu>for xorg specifically. otherwise it was nice.
04:09<phillmac>ok when i enter curlftpfs phillmac:ftp-password@phillmackintosh.com /home/phillmackintosh-com/
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04:10<phillmac>i et this error
04:10<gdb>I don't have a problem with it being "official," I have a problem with letting *different operating system's kernel* holding up Linux.
04:11<phillmac>fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Operation not permitted
04:11<phillmac>anyone know whats going on here?
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04:12<gdb>phillmac: I don't use fuse on Linux, but it sounds like your fuse doesn't support curlftp as a filesystem.
04:12<gdb>Operation not permitted generally just means "I can't do that" not that it's "disallowed."
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04:13<phillmac>ive been trying forthe last 6 hours to mount an ftp share to the filesystem with no luck whatsoever
04:13<phillmac>can u suggest how i should go about it?
04:13<simonlnu>!user fuse
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04:19<gdb>phillmac: is this for use by multiple users or just yourself? and if just yourself, are you looking for CLI or GUI access to it?
04:20<gdb>if GUI, you can probably just use the Nautilus built-in for it
04:20<gdb>(may save some headache for you)
04:21<phillmac>just myself im trying to link my vps on which i only have ssh access to, with my webserver which i oly have cpannel acess to via ftp or any other means
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04:22<gdb>phillmac: Then you may be able to get buy using the Nautilus features for this (either ssh or ftp).
04:22<gdb>I'm trying to remember where it is, in one of the top menus. I don't have a GNOME2 system handy.
04:23<gdb>What are they from left to right?
04:23<gdb>It's the second one
04:23<gdb>Go to Server or Open Server or Network Places or somesuch. I've used the ssh one extensively, not sure if thre *is* an ftp option but it's likely.
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04:25<gdb>phillmac: Are you finding that?
04:26<gdb>Connect to server is the option
04:27<phillmac>yeah im on a terinal session not gui :(
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04:27<phillmac>terminal *
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04:28<gdb>Ah, then I am not sure how to initiate that. :-/
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04:30<gdb>http://blog.mypapit.net/2007/05/how-to-use-ftp-filesystem-on-ubuntu-using-curlftpfs.html -- Ubuntu doc is the best I can come up with, but I'm guessing if you've been at this for hours, you've probably already seen this very document.
04:32<gdb>http://www.linuxnix.com/2011/03/mount-ftp-server-linux.html -- this indicates this should be easy
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04:46<OMGUBUNTU>woops meant to go on ubuntu lol
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04:47<Calinou><gdb> Debian/kFreeBSD just makes me angry. :-(
04:47<Calinou>who the F uses that
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04:57<IlNauFrago28>ATTENZIONE: Non e' stata intercettata la versione originale di lynx.
04:57<IlNauFrago28>Questo script e' in grado di funzionare sono con lynx e non links2.
04:58<scientes>!pt
04:58<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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05:13<Turner>hi all
05:14<Turner>i have a question
05:14<Turner>how can i disable syslog in debian
05:14<Turner>??
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05:43<Turner>hi all
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05:53<gsb_>Turner: hello
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05:59<Turner>i have a question : how can i disable syslog in debian completly ?
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06:00<gsb>Turner: disable the syslog's runlevel script
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06:02<gdb>Turner: # invoke-rc.d rsyslog off (or whatever the service is called)
06:02<gdb># /etc/init.d/rsyslog stop (again, whatever it's called)
06:03*gdb isn't at a debian system right now.
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06:03<gsb>gdb: yup its rsyslog by default
06:03<gdb>I remembered! :D
06:03<gdb>hehe thank you :-)
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06:03<gsb>anytime :)
06:03*gdb does have to wonder why you'd disable that, is assuming embedded system?
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06:04<Turner>thank you all :D
06:04<gdb>Sure thing!
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06:44<markus>hi. Does anybody know how to list all installed packages from, for example, experimental?
06:44<markus>I saw this feature in a gui programm but the cli way would be nice.
06:46<themill>apt-show-versions should do it, also /msg dpkg which repo
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06:46<themill>or even just «aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?archive(experimental))'»
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06:49<markus>apt-show-versions is nice, thank you.
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06:50<themill>markus: it will incorrectly identify things that are in multiple repositories (like a wheezy/sid mixture). experimental would be fine though
06:52<markus>I've tested it by greping the output with sid and experimental.. as far as I can see it's working correct on my wheezy box.
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07:00<markus>themill: thanks for your help :)
07:00<themill>no worries. have fun
07:01<dragondon__>greetings all! before I head over to the VirtualBox channel, wanted to ask ehre first. I am trying to ssh from one VM toanother, I get a PW prompt (so they do see each other) but my PW does not work. My question is that if the user was not allowed to SSH at all, would it still get a PW prompt?
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07:05<markus>dragondon__: as long as they can see each other this shouldn't be a VirtualBox issue
07:06<markus>can you see the attempts when running 'faillog'?
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07:07<dragondon__>markus, I would think so, yet Iam logged in to the machine (it's a headless VM) as the user and can Su into root just fine, but can't seem to SSH into the machine...
07:07<dragondon__>checking faillog
07:08<dragondon__>markus, no failed attempts, and the date/time is way off on this machine....
07:09<dragondon__>well, in that log, I suspect that's just a place holder for time/date on the log.
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07:11<markus>have you verified that you are connecting to the right machine?
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07:12<SynrG>and the right user, for that matter
07:13<dragondon__>well I'll be damned, both VMs have the same internal 10.x address. how freaking annoying is that....
07:13<SynrG>they're automatically allocated. if they can't see each other, how would they know?
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07:14<dragondon__>so, I guess I am back to trying to figure out how to configure a second virtual network card on the headless system....
07:14<dragondon__>haven't been able to find any directions with my google-fu yet
07:14<SynrG>generally i use bridging and let the dhcp outside the VM instances grant them unique IP#s
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07:14<SynrG>it's a simple VB network configuration option
07:14<SynrG>just switch to 'bridged'
07:14<dragondon__>SynrG, Ah, was wondering about that, thanks, will give that a shot
07:15<markus>dragondon__: SynrG is right. This will fix the problem
07:18<dragondon__>thank guys, I knew there was something easier to setup
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07:20<dragondon__>yup, works like a charm now :)
07:21<SynrG>yeah. no longer hidden behind nat, which is the default
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08:29<HelloWorld>Hello
08:29<HelloWorld>I have an question
08:29<gsb>!ask
08:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:30<HelloWorld>Okay
08:30<himanshu>hi
08:30<himanshu>any one from india
08:30<gsb>himanshu: me
08:30<himanshu>hi gsb
08:30<gsb>himanshu: hello
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08:31<himanshu>what you do
08:31<HelloWorld>Lol
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08:33<HelloWorld>Im running Debian version 6.3 (Latest) When i tru to do update i get the following output Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.nl.kernel.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_i18n_Translation-en I expected it to do a normal list update
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08:34<HelloWorld>Im trying command: apt-get update. Im running Debian version 6.3 (Latest) When i try to do apt-get update i get the following output Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.nl.kernel.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_i18n_Translation-en I expected it to do a normal list update
08:34<himanshu>any one can hel me with Git
08:34<himanshu>??
08:34<HelloWorld>!ask
08:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:34<himanshu>how to cnfigure it with sts
08:35<HelloWorld>!ask Im running Debian version 6.3 (Latest) When i tru to do update i get the following output Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.nl.kernel.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_i18n_Translation-en I expected it to do a normal list update
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08:35<devil>HelloWorld: how often are you gonna post?
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08:37<Janyk>Sorry, i thought i must do !ask
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08:39<Janyk>Can someone help me with my question?
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08:42<gsb>Janyk: please ask
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08:44<Janyk> Im running Debian version 6.3 (Latest) When i tru to do update i get the following output Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.nl.kernel.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_i18n_Translation-en I expected it to do a normal list update
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08:47<gsb>Janyk: seems like some problem with sources.list. but can't be sure. i suggest you pastebin your sources.list
08:47<lusers>Janyk: I GOOGLED. The solution seems to be this -- "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf"
08:48<Janyk>I tried that earlier but isnt working
08:49<Janyk>gsb, where can i fint sources.list
08:49<gsb>Janyk: its in /etc/apt/
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08:57<AgentC>hi
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08:58<AgentC>how to copy a hole directory-tree with all files/filenames, where all files shall be copied with 0-byte content? (just copy the tree without filedata to let others browse the structure and files) ? is that possible without additional programming ?
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09:03<gsb>AgentC: i guess a "cp -R" followed by find -exec ":> filename"
09:03<gsb>AgentC: don't remember syntax for find -exec, use google for that
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10:11<Sidicas>Can anybody help me a bit on adding acpi=off to my grub in Wheezy? It looks like everything is auto configured with scripts
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10:14<Sidicas>OK /etc/default/grub. Found it, nevermind
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10:15<babilen>Sidicas: Also read "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" for more information on the options you can set there
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10:19<Sidicas>I am using an adapter to plug a SATA SSD into an IDE connector. Seems to work fine, but I keep getting DMA read errors which then say ATA Bus Error. It is a bus CRC error. Setting acpi=no fixes it, but is this a bug or just bad hardware?
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10:21<Sidicas>I mean acpi=off appears to fix it.
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10:23<Sidicas>I tried forcing slower UDMA settings but it didn't help at all. Only a pi=off fixes it.
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10:35<hacsk8>HI
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11:04<claw_>hey there
11:04<claw_>i am running a debian squeeze server and i want to reduce its powerconsumption
11:04<claw_>any suggestions ?
11:05<claw_>i currently unable to set cpufreqd up for running
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11:07<AgentC>is there a version / kind of TOUCH which also creates directories ?
11:07<ansgar>AgentC: mkdir? :>
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11:10<SynrG>claw_: hm, i always viewed power saving software measures as something you typically do on a laptop platform, not server, as on the server anything you could do reduces performance in some way
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11:11<SynrG>generally on a server i just buy more power efficient hardware if i really want to save power
11:11<SynrG>that being said, perhaps there are some things i'm overlooking
11:11<claw_>well SynrG its an self made NAS for my media here at home
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11:11<BlouBlou>HI
11:12<SynrG>ah, 'personal server' is a whole different class of device, i guess
11:12<claw_>it's not realy a server
11:12<claw_>nothing rack mounted
11:12<claw_>just an desktop case with some hard drives in it
11:13<SynrG>well, and more importantly is not the hardware configuration, but usage profile and user expectations
11:13<ansgar>I guess most servers idle most of the time as well. So power saving should be useful for them as well.
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11:14<SynrG>hm. cpufreqd? i have always used cpufrequtils (but only on my netbook)
11:14<SynrG>what's your processor?
11:14<joseph>Hi everybody. Is there a Debian Wheezy LiveCD?
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11:14<SynrG>claw_: and what's the exact nature of your problem?
11:15<SynrG>joseph: not yet. but you can try building one at live-build.debian.net (caveat: may not work on a given day since wheezy is a moving target)
11:15<claw_>its an centrino
11:15<claw_>but i think i've figured out the problem
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11:15<SynrG>joseph: there will be eventually autobuilds once again
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11:16<SynrG>still working out some kinks in the live toolchain
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11:18<joseph>SynrG, this site will sand me any image to download?
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11:21<claw_>shouldn't cpufreq-set -g ondemand change the govener ?
11:22<claw_>because it does not :
11:22<claw_>cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
11:22<claw_>performance
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11:25<SynrG>joseph: after a while, yes (don't be surprised if it's longer than the estimate given)
11:26<joseph>SynrG, You mean about time?
11:26<SynrG>joseph: choose parameters carefully. for example, i think it's still the case if you select amd64 architecture you need to make sure the kernel (next config section down) is manually adjusted to amd64 too, or else you get an invalid default (486)
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11:28<SynrG>joseph: yes, it can't really give you an accurate estimate. it could be back to you in minutes, or much longer
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11:28<SynrG>some days for me, 10 minutes. others, a half hour or hour
11:29<joseph>SynrG, Yes, I want amd64
11:30<joseph>SynrG, And it was submitted like "--linux-flavours: 486"
11:30<SynrG>claw_: are you trying to use cpufreqd *and* cpufrequtils? i think you just need cpufrequtils
11:30<SynrG>joseph: yeah, that's wrong. manually adjust that to amd64
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11:30<claw_>yes i am trying only cpufrequtils
11:30<SynrG>we discussed solutions to that, but nothing implemented yet
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11:30<claw_>cpufreqd can handle profiles i guess
11:31<SynrG>i can toggle back and forth just fine on my atom n450
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11:32<SynrG>as superuser, cpufreq-set -g ondemand ... and toggle to performance as well
11:32<SynrG>after each command, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor is exactly as i set it
11:32<joseph>SynrG, Should I change other setting?
11:33<SynrG>i think your processor just lacks the feature needed
11:33<claw_>well SynrG for me it always "performace" something must be realy wrong here
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11:35<claw_>well
11:35<claw_>i can use powersave
11:35<claw_>but not ondemand or conservative
11:35<claw_>may its not supported
11:35<joseph>SynrG, Do you know the what is debian-live-devel and gnome-full?
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11:38<SynrG>i have to run. further questions to #debian-devel please
11:38<SynrG>er
11:38<SynrG>sorry, wrong chan
11:38<SynrG>i have to run. further questions to #debian-live please
11:38<SynrG>errands
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11:38<SynrG>joseph: ^^
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11:39<joseph>SynrG, So?
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11:40<joseph>cd #debian-live
11:42<joseph>SynrG, ok, thanks
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11:45<ompaul>joseph: /join #debian-live might be more productive ;-)
11:45<joseph>ompaul, Yes, I'm addicted in Terminal =D
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11:46<joseph>what's the difference between iso and iso-hybrid?
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11:49<sney_>joseph: iso-hybrid is also a hd-media image
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11:49<ompaul>UDF is a hybrid filesystem that uses both UDF and ISO 9660
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11:51<ompaul>there may be others
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12:47<joseph>hey, how to access a computer remotely on Debian? Is it done using ssh?
12:49<joseph>I mean, I'm in my house, and my remote machine is in other place, in other network
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12:50<Calinou>ssh/ftp/telnet/whatever you want
12:50<Calinou>of course
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12:50<Calinou>well real remote access is done using ssh
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12:59<joseph>Calinou, I know how to access another comp on the same network. But if I'm in my house, and the remote machine is in other city, for example, how do I access this remote machine?
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13:00<joseph>Calinou, do you know what I mean?
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13:05<heikkila>joseph, you check the external ip-address of your home computer and remember it when you are outside your house, you might also need to open up your firewall for the ssh-port and redirect with nat
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13:07<joseph>heikkila, If exists an router I should say it to forward to the computer right?
13:07<heikkila>joseph, yes
13:07<joseph>heikkila, There's no a better way to do it?
13:08<Calinou>joseph, this is why you use SSH
13:08<Calinou>but you have to forward ports
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13:09<heikkila>joseph, not that I know of at the moment
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13:10<joseph>heikkila, ok thank you
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13:25<operativac>bok
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13:28<Gators>Ok, so I can install things when logging in as root, and that's cool. But some things online tell me to install things by using sudo apt-get install, but then it tells me that I'm not in the sudoers file, and that this incident will be reported.
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13:28<Gators>A. How do I make sudo work? B. Should I be expecting a visit from the linux police?
13:30<graytron>Gators: A. "adduser gators sudo" B. probably not :)
13:30<graytron>Gators: start by reading /usr/share/doc/sudo/README.Debian
13:31<Gators>Ok, I've added my user to sudo, so that's cool.
13:31<graytron>Gators: now log out and back in
13:31<Gators>The real reason I'm here though is I can't seem to figure out by googling. I have 2 monitors, and I like my one on the right to be primary. Debian has my one on the left as primary, and in the monitor settings I can't seem to change this.
13:31<Gators>Cool, I'll test it next time I've logged out and in, thanks for the help :)
13:32<sney>you might be able to set that with xrandr
13:32<graytron>Gators: you need to log out and back in just to make the new group effective
13:32<Gators>What is xrandr?
13:32<Gators>graytron: tnx, will do in a bit.
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13:34<simonlnu>man xrandr
13:34<simonlnu>it's x r and r, fyi, i don't recall what the r's are for. arrrr.
13:35<SynrG>rotate and resize i think
13:36<Gators>Ok, so now I have all this text that I'm looking at
13:36<SynrG>hmm, and reflect, too, says wikipedia
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13:36<SynrG>with citation: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/proto/randrproto/tree/randrproto.txt
13:36<simonlnu>Xrandr - X Resize, Rotate and Reflection extension. -- according to man 3 Xrandr
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13:37<simonlnu>now we know \o/
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13:38<Gators>um....yeah.....so, how do I get out of this? I have another idea I want to try.
13:39<Gators>nevermind, I'll just close the terminal and open a new one
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13:42<graytron>Gators: you might want to try "xrandr" without any arguments and check the examples at the end of the xrandr manual page for examples and particularly explanations of --right-of and --left-of options
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13:43<Gators>I found a script that I was able to run that did it. But, you did help, because using xrandr in my google search helped me find that script.
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13:47<Gators>Ok, I'm running into a problem. I have this executable file, run.sh, that when I double click on it, it asks me what I want to do, I click run, and it opens, which is cool.
13:47<Gators>So, I created a link to it, and copied that on the desktop.
13:47<Gators>When I double click thie link on the desktop, it does nothing.
13:48<Gators>But when I double click the file itself that I browse out to, it still works.
13:48<Gators>I'd really like to get a working shortcut on the desktop for this. How do I fix this?
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13:49<Gators>Well, when I double click on it, it doesn't do nothing, it gives me the same options as double clicking on the file itself. It's when I select run that it does nothing.
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13:51<Gators>Anyone?
13:52<weasel>you're not telling us sufficiently to help us.
13:52<weasel>for instance, which desktop environment are you even using?
13:52<Gators>Um....the one that comes up when I boot to debian?
13:52<weasel>that can be any of over 20
13:53<Gators>I installed debian yesterday, when I turn it on, I login with my user account that I setup, and I get a desktop.
13:53<Gators>I didn't have an option to pick from 20 different desktops, so as far as I know, this is just the debian desktop you get when you install debian.
13:53<SynrG>gnome
13:53<weasel>and I suspect most people don't create "shortcuts"
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13:53<weasel>SynrG: could be kde or xfce or ..
13:53<graytron>Gators: its probably missing the execute flags
13:53<Gators>Then how do I have something on the desktop to easily run this?
13:54<graytron>.. or bits
13:55<weasel>is these gnome things .desktop foo, or is it proper symlinks, or...?
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13:55<Gators>I don't understand the question.
13:56<Gators>I mean, I just have a file that when I double click, and then click run, it runs.....I want a way to do this from the desktop.
13:56<Gators>With windows, a simple right click and drag to the desktop and select create shortcut does this.
13:57<Gators>Is this another one of those things that is a 2 second process in windows, but a 2 hour ordeal in linux?
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13:57<garn32>Gators if you're using gnome right click on the desktop and select 'create launcher'
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13:58<Gators>Ok, I've created a launcher. That does absolutely nothing when I double click on it though.
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13:59<garn32>do you have the program target set up correctly?
13:59<garn32>err, let me reword that
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13:59<garn32>inside of the launcher did you specify a program to launch?
13:59<Gators>Yes, I browsed out to the run.sh file, which does work when double clicking directly on that.
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14:00<graytron>Gators: maybe if you right click on the icon, select properties, permissions and select "Allow executing file as program"?
14:01<graytron>the script file
14:01<Gators>graytron: That is already selected
14:01<graytron>ok
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14:02<graytron>im out of idea, maybe do what garn32 suggests
14:02<garn32>Gators what is the script supposed to do?
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14:03<Gators>It's an audio chat program, Teamtalk.
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14:03<garn32>Gators can you call the program TeamTalk directly from the command line?
14:03<Gators>maybe.
14:04<garn32>Gators, please try and let me know if you can or not
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14:05<Gators>I've browsed out to the folder, type run.sh, and it tells me command not found
14:05<Gators>yet, it is right there in the folder I'm in, so....not sure what is up with that.
14:05<garn32>Gators, if you are unsure of how to do that you could post the contents of run.sh to pastebin, minus any of the passwords or user names
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14:06<garn32>Gators, in the launcher did you just specify 'run.sh' or '/path/to/run.sh'?
14:06<graytron>Gators: how about ./run.sh
14:06<Gators>I've browsed out to the folder, so I didn't need to specify the path
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14:06<Gators>yes, the ./ works
14:06<garn32>that should only work if he's in the local directory
14:07<garn32>Gators, if you specify the fully qualifed path you should be able to call if from the launcher
14:07<Gators>But the full path is in the launcher, and the launcer does nothing.
14:08<garn32>Gators, I'll be back in just a few minutes to help you some more
14:09<Gators>garn32: ok, thanks.
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14:09<Gators-bbl>Gotta go make some pancakes.
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15:18<kaizoku__>I'm trying to build a kernel module using dkms, however I get this error: http://pastebin.com/kbNTjTYk The build process works fine if I do it manually (cd to directory ; make)
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15:18<kaizoku__>Any idea on what's the problem?
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15:33<newb12466343>hi to all, how to open 587 port for exim on debian squeeze by iptables? thanks
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15:36<Gators>I'm trying to install a driver for my sound card. the instructions tell me to do this as root in a console, and to run dpkg -l filename.deb. I do this, and even though when I type ls it shows me the file right there, it tells me No packages found matching the file name.
15:36<Gators>Yet, it is clearly right there.
15:36<Gators>What gives?
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15:37<garn32>Gators what is the name of the sound driver you're installing?
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15:38<Gators>garn32 the file name is oss-linux-4.2-2007_amd64.deb
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15:39<Gators>garn32, sorry for disappearing earlier, had to make some breakfast.
15:40<garn32>Gators np pancakes are always a greater calling
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15:40<garn32>Gators are you installing from apt/ aptitude or manually?
15:40<nadir>Gators: you can use tab completion, type "dpkg -i *oss" then hit the tab so it completes the package
15:41<Gators>garn32 the install instructions tell me to type dpkg -l (filename)
15:41<Gators>I've verified several times I've typed the filename in correctly, but it can't find it.
15:41<nadir>or, if it is the only deb packag in the current dir, run "dpkg -i *deb"
15:41<nadir>though if you got the right name for sure it might be a different problem (couldn't think of what though)
15:42<Gators>i or l?
15:42<Gators>the instructions say l
15:42<garn32>Gators did you download the file manually?
15:42<garn32>the .deb file?
15:42<Gators>as opposed to what?
15:43<nadir>lower I , like first letter in instructions or install.
15:43<Gators>ah
15:43<garn32>Gators if the machine has internet access it would be much easier to install via a package manager
15:43<nadir>l means list, I think
15:43<Gators>these instructions are horrible then, they show an l
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15:43<Gators>yes, an i makes it work
15:43<garn32>Gators what instructions are you looking at?
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15:44<Gators>garn32 instructions from the site that I downloaded the file from.
15:45<Gators>I don't think it installed right.
15:45<Gators>blah.....linux makes everything a million times more difficult than windows.
15:45<garn32>Gators, it just takes some practice, do you know how to remove the deb file that you just installed?
15:45<Gators>aparently I need binutils and gcc, whatever those are.
15:45<Gators>um....no
15:46<nadir>if dependencies are missing you can run "apt-get install -f "
15:46<garn32>Gators, ok first we'll need to find what it installed as try running 'dpkg -l | grep oss' at the command line
15:47<garn32>Gators, that should show you everything with to do with oss that you've installed. Did that work for you?
15:47<Gators>Right.....you lost me.
15:48<garn32>Gators, which part lost you?
15:48<Gators>I'm just lost in general right now.
15:48<Gators>I mean, I tried that apt-get install -f, and that seemed to do something
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15:48<Gators>so then I tried the dpkg again, and now this time it tells me the above linux packages seem to be missing from your system....but, I don't see anything above
15:48<Gators>it just says make above
15:48<garn32>Gators, do you know what the 'apt-get' does?
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15:49<Gators>it apt-gets stuff
15:49<garn32>Gators, yes that is one of the package managers for debian so you attempted to force install, the '-f' flag, a package
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15:50<Gators>right.....um......so how do I get this driver to install?
15:50<garn32>Gators, you shouldn't need to dpkg anything if you've installed the program in question with apt-get
15:50<garn32>Gators, the driver should be installed, do you know how to check which drivers are running?
15:50<Gators>no
15:51<Gators>this is the type of driver that....well....see, I have this sound card with 8 inputs and 8 outputs, that in windows I have a control panel for it to route things and set levels and such.
15:51<garn32>Gators, run 'lsmod' that will list out the loaded drivers, also know as kernel modules
15:51<garn32>Gators, also why are you using oss?
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15:51<Gators>because that's what the m-audio site directed me to for use with my m-audio delta 1010lt sound card.
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15:53<garn32>Gators, ok just want to check
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15:53<garn32>Gators did you try running the 'lsmod' command?
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15:53<Gators>yes, and I now have a long list of stuff
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15:54<garn32>Gators, you can manually look though all of that or try running 'lsmod | grep -i oss' and see if the driver shows up
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15:54<Gators>garn32 that command you just suggested shows me nothing.
15:55<Gators>garn32 so it appears the install failed, as it said it did.
15:55<garn32>Gators, ok there is a pretty good chance that I didn't format the command correctly
15:55<garn32>Gators, what is saying that the install failed?
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15:55<analog_>running deb 6.05 with NC360T (intel dual port), can't get the second port to detect link, it used to on other platforms. Cabling seems ok, both connected to HP 1800-8G.
15:56<Gators>garn32 I don't remember anymore, but I've not seen an install complete successfully with the various things I tried.
15:56<Gators>So, lets assume we're starting at the beginning, and that I Have no clue what to do.
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15:56<garn32>Gators, in that case I would start with 'sudo aptitude search oss'
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15:57<Gators>ok, but I'm in as root, so I don't think I need sudo
15:57<Gators>Last time I tried to sudo, they reported me, I assume to the linux police.
15:57<nadir>and for sure not if you want to search only
15:57<garn32>Gators, that is correct, you should get out of the habit of using a root shell
15:58<Gators>well, I think I need to reboot for the change to apply to get sudo to work
15:58<Gators>so, for now I'm just sticking with root until my next reboot
15:58<garn32>Gators, you shouldn't have to
15:58<Gators>anyways, I did that command, and I have a long list.
15:59<garn32>Gators, I'm guessing that the package you want is 'oss4-base'
15:59<garn32>Gators, to install it run 'aptitude install oss4-base'
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15:59<Gators>lets not guess though....I downloaded the one that I think I know I want.
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16:00<sney>using oss? hmm
16:00<garn32>sney, that was my though but Gators said that the m-audio page recommend it, so I'm just going along
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16:01<Gators>Well, if any of you have something better to suggest for use with my m-audio delta 1010lt, I'm all ears.
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16:01<garn32>Gators, in that case I would recommend alsa instead
16:01<Gators>Anyways, I tried that aptitude for the oss4-base, and it tells me A package failed to install. Trying to recover:
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16:02<Gators>Will also give me a control panel to set levels and such for my 8 inputs and 8 outputs?
16:02<garn32>Gators, that is probably the result of the previous installation, so well need to remove the previously installed package
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16:02<garn32>Gators, there are programs out there to do that, but lets first get the drivers working
16:02<Gators>Right....I suppose I can redo my debian install sometime to roll this back....that seems the easiest way at this point.....
16:03<garn32>Gators, naw you'll need to look though the output of 'dpkg -l', or post it to pastebin for me, so we can see what packages were installed in the previous attempt
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16:03<Gators>You know, I think I'll reboot and go back into windows, where this all just works.
16:04<Gators>I don't have enough time to deal with linux.
16:04<Gators>I suppose linux is good for those with time to kill.
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16:04<Gators>But, I appreciate you trying to help.
16:04<Gators>Thanks.
16:04<garn32>Gators, eh, when you get used to it, it works well
16:04<garn32>Gators, best of luck to you
16:04<sney>audio is definitely a pain in the butt though
16:04<garn32>agreed!
16:04<Gators>well, I mean....what use is an OS that doesn't take advantage of the simple things in computing, like drag and drop?
16:05<mio>I just installed wheezy on my desktop, and the window manager kind of seizes up after the first click or two, although the cursor still moves
16:05<sney>imho the audio and printing infrastructures need to be thrown out and started from scratch. /ot
16:05<Gators>well, ok then, audio being a pain in the ass gives me a good reason to abandon ship. I'm an audio guy.
16:05<sney>Gators: that's not the OS, that's the desktop environment. linux is a lot of modular pieces put together... it provides choice, though sometimes it can be overwhelming at first
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16:05<garn32>Gators, there are some good audio packages out there getting the drivers set up are probably the worst part
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16:06<mio>I tried gnome, gnome classic, and xfce, same thing, maybe it's cause of my nvidia card
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16:06<Gators>Well, hey, I got further this time around than last time.
16:06<Gators>Last time I attempted a debian install, I got email, messengers, then went to watch a video. No video player.
16:06<mio>anyway, any help debugging this would be greatly appreciated
16:06<Gators>Went to install the video player, told me I needed 20 or so packages
16:06<Gators>went to install the first package, told me I needed 20 packages for that one.
16:07<sney>Gators: if you don't have any further support questions you can chat in #debian-offtopic
16:07<Gators>That was the end of that....never get between a guy and his porn.
16:07<garn32>Gators, package managers are your best friend in linux
16:07<Gators>Anyways, thanks again.
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16:07<garn32>Gators, have a good one
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16:08<sney>mio: what gpu is it, what driver are you using, have you experienced any heat problems with this gpu in the past
16:09<mio>nvidia gtx 580, i think, need a minute to check, no heat problems
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16:11<mio>yep geforce gtx 580
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16:12<mio>this is my first wheezy install, used to always have to patch the kernel on this hardware before with squeeze, to get a good resolution
16:13<mio>the thing is I don't know where to start debugging the problem, I don't know how to drop to some kind of a console
16:14<sney>well, you could boot in rescue mode and remove gdm3 from startup, then you could go in and out of X as you please without it trying to stay running on its own
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16:15<mio>great, 1. how do I remove gdm3 from startup, 2. how do I move out of X?
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16:17<sney>it seems odd that you're comfortable patching the kernel but you don't know that, but anyway- 1. update-rc.d gdm3 remove; 2. ctrl-alt-f2(f3,f4, etc)
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16:17<mio>"patching" might be a misspeak, I ran that download from nvidia
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16:19<sney>oh, yeah, that's not patching. also, don't run that download from nvidia, it doesn't play nice with debian's package manager
16:19<garn32>I don't have any issues with it
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16:19<sney>!why nvidia installer sucks
16:19<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>.
16:19<sney>wheezy+ has a package called 'nvidia-installer-cleanup
16:19<sney> created for this exact reason
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16:21<mio>update-rc.d gdm3 remove said: "update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing" that ok?
16:21<dodo>squeeze have apache httpd 2.2.16 version. but in apache.org, they have released apache httpd 2.4.2. which one should I use as http server?
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16:22<sney>mio yes that's normal
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16:23<sney>dodo: squeeze does not get version upgrades, just security patches. 2.2.16 was tested by the debian apache team and is considered to be stable on a debian system. If this is a production server, we recommend that you stick with the version in squeeze unless there is a newer feature that you NEED.
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16:24<analog_>RE: running deb 6.05 with NC360T (intel dual port), can't get the second port to detect link, it used to on other platforms. Cabling seems ok, both connected to HP 1800-8G. Suggestions?
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16:25<dodo>sney, thanks for you help
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16:25<mio>well, i'm in the same pickle again, wm seized up, but ctl-alt f2/f3... does nothing
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16:26<Olavo_b>I need a debian live cd
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16:27<sney>analog_: is that 2 nics on a single card?
16:28<analog_>yes, it's a hp rebranded dual pci-e intel nic
16:28<sney>Olavo_b: http://live.debian.net/
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16:28<sney>analog_: do they both show in ifconfig -a
16:28<analog_>yes
16:28<analog_>but using ethtool it shows a link down.
16:28<Olavo>sney, thanks!
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16:29<ayi>hello
16:29<Olavo>hi =D
16:29<mio>sney, should I install nvidia-installer-cleanup?
16:29<Olavo>I saw Batman The Dark Knight Rises
16:30<Olavo>What a good movie!
16:30<ayi>j'ai un problem pr l'installation d'un server ldap sous ubuntu12.04
16:30<ayi>quelqu'un pourai m'aider
16:30<ayi>??
16:30<Olavo>ayi, please speak in english
16:30<ayi>noo
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16:31<Olavo>ayu, french??
16:31<ayi>yes i speak french
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16:32<Olavo>ayi, what's your problem with ldap?
16:33<analog_>sney: it used the e1000e driver and is HW wise a 82571EB chip
16:34<sney>mio: it'll install automatically if you use the debian packages for your nvidia driver. so just install nvidia-kernel-dkms linux-headers-686 (or amd64 depending)
16:35<sney>analog_: I know some of those cards need extra firmware files for more advanced features, do you ever see missing firmware warnings?
16:35<analog_>sney_: i should check dmesg and /var/log/messages
16:35<analog_>?
16:35<sney>that's where I'd look. it also tends to come up if you update the initramfs
16:36<analog_>should be unrelated, they box has a realtec 8111 chip aswell which asked for a FW during install, and a intel single port 1000pt too.
16:37<sney>should be unrelated yes
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16:38<mio>sney: ok, installed linux-headers-amd64, cause it is amd64, but i can't even see nvidia-kernel-dkms or anything similar
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16:39<mio>sney: apt-cache search nvidia doesn't show anything with kernel in it, nor installer
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16:40<analog_>sney: nothing about missing firmwares or anything odd
16:40<mio>sney: do i need to add something to my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
16:41<sney>mio: contrib non-free, on the end of your main mirror line
16:41<sney>then run apt-get update
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16:42<Olavo>I killed my dog
16:42<garn32>??
16:43<analog_>sney: during boot (bios) boot light up, so that's something to start with.
16:44<Olavo>garn32, with a knife
16:44<sney>!ops Olavo
16:44<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney complains about: Olavo
16:44<Olavo>wtf
16:44<Olavo>!ops sney
16:44<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: olavo complains about: sney
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16:50<mio>sney: thanks, did that, installed nvidia-kernel-dkms, got a complaint that nouveau conflicts with it and that I should reboot, which I did, then after console login as myself, i did startx, and then X wouldn't start
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16:50<mio>sney: it did warn me that I'll need some manual configuration, which I didn't do
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16:51<Olavo>sney, =D
16:51<sney>Ganneff: ^
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16:51<mio>sney: the end of Xorg.0.log says "Fatal server error: no screens found"
16:51<sney>mio: you need to create an xorg.conf.d snippet that declares the driver
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16:53<sney>mio: the following command (as root) will do this for you. echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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16:57<analog_>RE:RE: running deb 6.05 with HP NC360T (intel dual port), can't get the second port to detect link, it used to on other platforms. Cabling is ok, both connected to HP 1800-8G.
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16:58<mio>sney: did that, had to create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory because it wasn't there, (its parent was there), rebooted, and it seems to be working!
16:58<mio>sney: thanks so much!
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17:47<dvs>Do you have questions about Debian?
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17:48<nabil>why some softwares like teamviewer is not working in linux
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17:49<nabil>this is my first question
17:49<nabil>what should i have to do
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17:49<sney>nabil: please provide the information suggested by dpkg so we can help you accurately.
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17:52<analog_>*sigh* got LACP working( 2gbe) , but no improvement to a static trunked connection to esxi (2gbe) in which a debian with vmxnet3 (10gbe) runs :( still 1gbe.
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17:58<Jackster35>Hey
17:58<Lizard>Hey! :)
17:58-Lizard:#debian-You have one server message. To read type /server read 1
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17:59-Jackster35:#debian-You have 1 new server messages. Please /server read 1 to read it.
17:59<slush>themill: Jackster35 too
18:00<Jackster35>??
18:00<Jackster35>What did I do?
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18:04<Inceptron>Is there any UEFI support with the latest stable installer?
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18:20<Ahmed>Hello
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18:20<Ahmed>Can someone give me the link to a live DVD iso
18:20<Ahmed>that has a Graphical install and DE
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18:22<arokux_h>Ahmed, whats wrong with www.debian.org?
18:23<Ahmed>Yes, I'm confused as of which iso I should download
18:23<Ahmed>One had a graphical install
18:23<Ahmed>but no DE
18:24<Ahmed>and the other was the other way arround
18:24<arokux_h>which architecture do you want?
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18:25<Ahmed>I'm too new for that
18:25<arokux_h>Ahmed, well, actually all of them has DE.
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18:25<Ahmed>I have only ever used LMDE
18:25<analog_>enjoy gnome then.
18:25<Ahmed>Oh
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18:26<Rayzen>op
18:26<Ahmed>Gnome 3 was ugly tbh
18:26<Ahmed>I'm using KDE
18:26<Ahmed>on LMDE
18:26<Ahmed>so I'll go with that
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18:29<Ahmed>arokux_h: I most likely messed something up
18:29<Ahmed>might of even downloaded a live CD instead
18:29<Ahmed>not sure really
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18:38<mecca>Ahmed try downloading this iso from your server of choice first debian-6.0.5-i386-DVD-1.iso
18:39<Ahmed>Thanks you, Mecca.
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18:41<mecca>Ahmed .. no problem :)
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18:43<Ahmed>mecca: in this directory, I install the one with -1 in it, right?
18:43<Ahmed>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-dvd/
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18:44<Ahmed>I'm assuming it's obvious o-o
18:44<mecca>yes thats the folder
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18:46<Inceptron>is there a list that shows the packages of cds?
18:46<Inceptron>not sure if cd1 has kde in it or not..
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18:48<mecca>it should have gnome kde lxde xfce in it mate
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18:48<Inceptron>alright, thanks.
18:49<Inceptron>hopefully this works with my UEFI/GUID partition setup...or its back to the windows recovery cd again to fix it haha
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18:58<Inceptron>Well..it couldn't boot..Guess I messed something up while burning.
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19:11<longbyte1>Hi, can anyone help me with pxe booting?
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19:17<longbyte1>hello?
19:18<longbyte1>anyone here
19:19<arokux_h>longbyte1, !ask
19:19<arokux_h>!ask
19:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:10<grummund>Hi, could anyone help or point ne in the right direction with this error pls? :
21:10<grummund># sudo -u logcheck logcheck
21:10<grummund>mktemp: failed to create directory via template `/tmp/logcheck.XXXXXX': Permission denied
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21:11<fix2>haaalp
21:11<fix2>I pressed the wrong key in debian squeeze and now my keyboard is disabled
21:12<fix2>ive logged out and was able to type in my login but as soon as I am logged in, no keyboard
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21:12<grummund>additional debug here - http://pastebin.com/qZF6m8uq
21:13<fix2>rebooting and hoping that fixes it
21:17<fix2>it did not fix it
21:17<fix2>my keyboard works only until I login
21:17<fix2>wtf is going on, can anyone help?
21:18<sney_>fix2: more details please, what kind of environment is this
21:18<fix2>when my keyboard issue began I was using gimp to edit some text on an image
21:18<fix2>debian squeeze gdm3
21:19<fix2>some popup came up from the system bar and asked if I wanted to enable "soft keys"
21:19<fix2>and I just clicked no
21:19<fix2>and BAM, my keyboard is disabled
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21:19<dodo>where i can see the applications that are installed with Tasksel?
21:19<fix2>ive no idea why the popup came or what softkeys is, but it popped up while I was editing text with gimp on a png image
21:19<abrotman>grummund: ls -ld /tmp/
21:20<sney_>softkeys is the extra buttons on a keyboard or a laptop, stuff like volume control or application launch buttons
21:20<fix2>yeah I have those extra keys but never used them
21:20<grummund>abrotman: for some reason it's drwxr-xr-x :-/
21:21<abrotman>that's wonky
21:21<fix2>Oh SLow Keys
21:21<sney_>fix2: if you create a new user and log in with the new user, does it work normally?
21:21<fix2>I said soft keys I found the issue, Slow Keys is enabled
21:21<fix2>even tho I clicked no
21:21<fix2>somehow it got enabled
21:21<sney_>hmm, I don't even know what that is
21:21<fix2>I meant slow keys
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21:22<fix2>yay! I went into system preferences for the keyboard, disabled slow keys and I have my keyboard back
21:22<fix2>thanks!
21:22<sney_>neat
21:22<abrotman>neat?!
21:22<abrotman>cool beans?
21:22<fix2>YES
21:22<dodo>Where I can see the list of applications that are installed by Taskel?
21:22<ewbs>fix2: slow keys = only accept long keypresses...hehe, i never heard of it either
21:23<abrotman>grummund: all fixed up ?
21:23<fix2>yeah the pop up I clicked the x at the corner of the window to close and it ended up enabled somehow
21:23<abrotman>dodo: man tasksel
21:23<fix2>I must have enabled it in gimp while working with the text editor
21:23<fix2>thanks guys im off so others can get help
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21:24<grummund>abrotman: fixed with chmod 1777 /tmp/
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21:25<grummund>quite why it was like, or how it was even working, that i don't know
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21:26<abrotman>grummund: your box, not mine :)
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21:29<grummund>only god knows what happened here - http://pastebin.com/sS9Wxwn8
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21:30<pparadis>grummund: what. the. heck.
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21:36<jcress>I'm having trouble with an install. My laptop doesn't have an optical drive, so I"m installing from USB. The usb drive become sda and the internal hdd is sdb. when I try to install grub to MBR it fails, with "grub install (hd0) failed"
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21:37<Jzebus> is there an option to choose where to install GRUB?
21:37<kop`>jcress: Perhaps expert mode? See the <install guide>.
21:37<Sidicas>Jzebus: what are you trying to do?
21:38<Jzebus>as kop` says, the alternate install then choose where to install grub
21:38<Jzebus>sorry Sidicas, was asking jcress but forgot to type the name
21:38<kop`>jcress: I suspect that it might be easiest to use the shell on the installer and install grub yourself. Either way you might have to read the directions. I can't recall offhand how to do it.
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21:39<jcress>Well, it lets me specify where to install, i tried /dev/sdb or /dev/hd1 but both fail
21:40<kop`>jcress: Do you have to specific it in grub terminology?
21:40<kop`>specify
21:40<Jzebus>jcress, is /dev/sdb not an option?
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21:41*kop` thinks reading the instructions is called for
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