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---Logopened Wed Aug 08 00:00:09 2012
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00:17<scientes>did you select y, and have a bunch of text like "configuring foo"..
00:17<scientes>you need to paste everythin after LANG=C apt-get upgrade
00:17<scientes>and then hitting y and then enter
00:17<scientes>K0JIbKA, ^
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00:18<scientes>also, y is allowed even if in another language
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00:37<K0JIbKA>scientes: i thought everything was here http://paste.debian.net/182703/ and yes i did 'y'
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00:38<scientes>K0JIbKA, E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
00:38<scientes>the "E:" means "error"
00:38<scientes>it did nothing
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00:38<scientes>you need to remove the debian-multimedia line from your /etc/apt/sources.list and then run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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00:38<scientes>again
00:39<K0JIbKA>scientes: ok
00:39<K0JIbKA>in a minute
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00:42<K0JIbKA>here is my renewed /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.debian.net/182709/
00:42<scientes>good
00:42<K0JIbKA>and i up to go with 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'
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00:47<K0JIbKA>i've got unexpected screen after all. just upon completion of 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' command i had this http://paste.debian.net/182710/ screen. what's the point?
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00:48<dragondon>I am having some odd issues with sound. It works fine but I have zero control over it through the OS. This means I can't configure alsa "cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument"
00:48<dragondon>I can play mp3s and videos just fine though
00:48<scientes>K0JIbKA, means you have something like apt-list-changelogs installed
00:48<scientes>just hit "q"
00:48<dragondon>I want to configure my logitech webcam(int mic) but I don't think this is possible without have access to alsa
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00:49<nevyn>access to alsa.
00:50<nevyn>wtf does that even mean.
00:50*nevyn hates how overloaded the noun "alsa" is
00:51<dragondon>type in alsamixer, get "cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument
00:51<dragondon>"
00:51<scientes>.............................
00:52<dragondon>I'm reading this right now and seems to be related: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=69392
00:52<reklipz>I am using squeeze, squeeze bpo, and sid in my apt sources. I have pinned all squeeze packages above sid, and that is all, not touching bpo. When I aptitude update without sid entries in sources.list, I am up to date. When I add the sid entries, I get necessary updates... What am I doing wrong?
00:52<reklipz>The following NEW packages will be installed:
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00:52<reklipz> multiarch-support{a}
00:52<reklipz>gah -- sorry for the spam
00:57<reklipz>http://pastebin.ca/2178403 -- line 7 -- why are those packages being upgraded?
00:58<rjsalts>reklipz: apt-cache policy <package>
00:59<reklipz>rjsalts: Okay, so I need to pin squeeze backports above sid -- thank you!
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01:02<dragondon>after following the above link, I can now run alsamixer but seem to be unable to select my onboard sound card.
01:06<K0JIbKA>scientes: well - another long listing follows http://paste.debian.net/182711/
01:06<reklipz>I want to pin by release name (squeeze) rather than type (stable); is this possible? using a=squeeze does not work.
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02:38<niko>moin
02:38<niko>german here?
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04:06<dragondon_>anyone around who is good with sound? If I have nothing configured (i.e. base CD install) sound works but I am unable to access any properties to configure the sound. If I start following some troubleshooting tips, I loose sound all together.
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04:07<dragondon_>This posting seemed closest to my issue but causes me to loose sound. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=69392
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04:10<dragondon_>I tried this : and was able to display alsamixer finally but of the 3 options for 'display sound cards', it will not display the one that I need
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04:12<StyXman>in a bash script, I have "trap remove_count_lock KILL ERR QUIT TERM EXIT INT" and r_c_l is called everytime another function in the script ends. which signal is to blame?
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04:49<METIN>ehy
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04:51<gnugr>METIN:english please or try in #debian-de
04:51<ansgar>!ops METIN
04:51<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ansgar complains about: METIN
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04:54<Myon>StyXman: ERR
04:55<Myon>StyXman: make sure your functions return nicely
04:56<StyXman>Myon: well, I can't, but that's what I was looking for
04:57<StyXman>tx
04:57*StyXman needs 2h+ of sleep
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05:02<rocky_>how do I install Xchat, I can't get it going for the life of me
05:02<rocky_>i'm using mint atm
05:02<rocky_>i need xchat for debian
05:02<Ganneff>!mint
05:02<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
05:02<Ganneff>apt-get install
05:02<rocky_>it just doesn't work
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05:04<rocky_>i've been going around in circles installing dependencies and now I can't go any further because the needed dependency is unstable "or something"
05:04<rocky_>spent 5 hours trying to get it working :/
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05:10<safinaskar>hi! i have debian 6.0 squeeze, but i upgraded my kde to debian 7.0 wheezy's version - 4.8.2 - 4.8.4. and now i have a problem: when i open touchpad config window, it crashes. how to configure touchpad?
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05:26<reklipz>Am I automatically subscribed to bugs that I submit?
05:27<weasel>no.
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05:35<reklipz>weasel: Thanks. One more. I submitted a bug with email address a. I'm no one special in the Debian BTS. Can I submit an email to the bug log with commands "submitter <bugno> <email b> -- quit" to change it so email b is the owner?
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05:38<weasel>reklipz: yes.
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05:39<reklipz>weasel: Cool, thanks.
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05:40<weasel>np
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05:44<vinu>hey
05:44<vinu>hi wiki
05:44<nikola>does anyone now when will come next longterm kernel?
05:44<vinu>ok ok
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05:56<red23>hello
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06:36<y0da89>Hello
06:37<y0da89>does someone have a few minutes to help me?
06:37<y0da89>I tried to install Debian i386 CD1 but my wirelesscard isn't supported
06:38<devil>y0da89: use wired to install
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06:38<y0da89>i am a complete noob these are my first steps on linux
06:38<babilen>y0da89: And which card is it? To what kind of network do you want to connect? (encrypted? wpa? wpa2? wep? ...)
06:39<y0da89>I have no internet connection and all the tutorials I found need internet
06:39<babilen>y0da89: Can you connect your computer via ethernet?
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06:39<y0da89>http://linux-bsd-sharing.blogspot.fr/2009/08/howto-intel-prowireless-3945abg-on.html
06:39<y0da89>I tired with ethernet but nothing happens
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06:40<devil>y0da89: 'nothing happens' is a very poor error description
06:40<babilen>y0da89: So you do have the possibility to connect via ethernet. That is good -- I would recommend that we focus on why that isn't working instead of getting your wireless to work. What did you do and what happens?
06:41<reklipz>y0da89: Try plugging the ethernet connection when at the first screen of the installer, or even before you power up the machine.
06:41<reklipz>err... I'll let babilen take this one. :)
06:41<y0da89>I connect the Ethernet cable, nothing pops up
06:41<babilen>ugh, all are welcome to help!
06:42<y0da89>and when I use my browser i cannot reach any website
06:42<y0da89>iwconfig doesn't work etc
06:43<y0da89>Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG is my wireless card
06:43<babilen>y0da89: I'll be back in a second, but that sounds as if you completed the installation already. Please tell us a little bit more about your setup and how you connect to the internet.
06:43<reklipz>y0da89: Okay. So it sounds like you already have installed Debian then. You are actually having a problem using Debian now? You signed in and such.
06:43<y0da89>Debian is installed. I didn't know I had to connect the computer before installation
06:44<reklipz>Okay, good. You don't have to really, as you said, you got it installed, :).
06:44<babilen>y0da89: You need to install firmware for your wireless card to work (Install the firmware-iwlwifi package) -- How are you trying to connect to the network right now?
06:44<reklipz>We thought you were having trouble with the installer, but we see that's not the case now.
06:44<y0da89>That is not the case
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06:45<y0da89>I know babilen but I cannot reach the web even with ethernet
06:45<babilen>y0da89: See also http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi for help with your wifi. But lets get you online now via ethernet. I take it that the cable is plugged in?
06:46<reklipz>y0da89: You need to be connected to the internet, or have a way to transfer files to the machine you're working on. The easiest way to do that is to use a wired ethernet port on the machine if that's available. It sounds like that is, but that that is "not working" either, is that right?
06:46<babilen>y0da89: Do you know if you use network manager? How are you trying to connect to the internet?
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06:47<y0da89>I do not have the network manager. I didn't find it in the menus
06:47<devil>y0da89: lspci -nn in a pastebin would help to identify your wired/wireless chips
06:47<devil>just in case, your wired chip needs non-free firmware as well
06:47<reklipz>y0da89: From what machine are you currently typing to us in IRC with?
06:47<y0da89>Win7 x64
06:48<reklipz>Is this the same machine that you are trying to get Debian to run on as well?
06:48<y0da89>nope my PC is on Win and laptop is on debian
06:49<reklipz>Okay, good.
06:49<reklipz>Do you have a flash drive handy?
06:49<reklipz>If so, download this file: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb and transfer it to the laptop with the flash drive.
06:50<babilen>whatfor?
06:50<y0da89>i have a usb key
06:50<babilen>y0da89: Please run "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" and give me the alphanumerical identifier at the end. (It should look like [abcd:1234])
06:51<reklipz>babilen: You said you welcomed help, :). Installing the firmware is the most direct approach; probably the fastest too.
06:52<reklipz>babilen: Agreed that getting the wired up would be better, though. Don't have to tackle any encryption etc. immediately.
06:52<y0da89>Realtek semiconductor co., RTL810E/RTL 8102E PCI express fast ethernet controller
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06:52<y0da89>[10ec:8136]
06:52<y0da89>(rev 01)
06:53<y0da89>i already downloaded this deb file this morning and tried to install with SU
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06:53<y0da89>but didn't work
06:53<babilen>reklipz: The problem will be that y0da89 can't use network-manager to connect to his/her wireless network (which is most likely encrypted) -- This is due to the fact that (s)he used CD1 (as opposed to DVD1) for the install which only includes a part of the Gnome desktop environment. I therefore think that it is a better approach to either: 1. Get him/her online via ethernet or 2. Install from DVD1 and provide firmware during the install (/msg ...
06:53<babilen>... dpkg installer firmware) or 3. Use kmuto images to install via wireless or 4. Figure out why the ethernet is not working.
06:53<babilen>I am currently pursuing 4.
06:53<reklipz>y0da89: Didn't work... You couldn't install it? You installed it, but there is no apparent change?
06:54<babilen>,pciid 10ec:8136
06:54<judd>[10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136
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06:54<reklipz>babilen: Sounds like you got this one, :).
06:55<babilen>That card needs firmware as well.
06:55<y0da89>I installed it bug then I got a configure message and the terminal stops
06:55<y0da89>oh yeah, too 1337
06:56<y0da89>I may ask a dumb question. Is it possible to get a CD/DVD image which has all the drivers included?
06:56<reklipz>That's not a dumb question. The problem is that the firmware is not distributed, not the driver.
06:57<babilen>y0da89: We also provide (netinstall) images with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware images) and you can provide the firmware during the installation on a USB stick (/msg dpkg installer firmware)
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06:57<babilen>y0da89: You do, however, only need to install http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek on your box.
06:58<y0da89>Well what is the easiest solution for a noob like me? My computer completely worked under Linux Mint debian Edition
06:58<babilen>y0da89: To do that download http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb on your windows box and copy it to your USB stick.
06:59<babilen>y0da89: Debian doesn't ship firmware by default as binary-only firmware is considered non-free. Sorry about that and the ramifications of that decision.
07:00<reklipz>y0da89: So, the way you installed the firmware-iwlwifi package this morning; do the same with the firmware-realtek package. That will get your wired ethernet interface working, and then we can walk you through getting your WiFi working.
07:01<babilen>y0da89: You can then plug your USB stick into the Debian box and copy the .deb somewhere else (e.g. your home directory or ~/downloads/ or whatever) -- After you've done that open a terminal and run "su" and enter your root password to acquire superuser priviliges. You can then install the firmware package with "dpkg -i /path/to/firmware-realtek_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb"
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07:02<babilen>y0da89: Once you've done that you can reload the module (which will now find the firmware) with "modprobe -r r8169 ; modprobe r8169" and your ethernet card should work. Try to activate the network with "ifup eth0" and report back :)
07:02<reklipz>babilen: Which portion of the GDE is left out of CD1 vs DVD1 that causes the issue with NetworkManager?
07:02<babilen>reklipz: network-manager-gnome is not on CD1 for example.
07:03<reklipz>babilen: Ah, that'll do it, :).
07:03<babilen>yeah .. hehe
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07:04<y0da89>unpacking of firmware realtek
07:04<babilen>reklipz: Other parts of the Gnome desktop are also missing. It is quite unfortunate that common desktop environments do not fit on CD1 anymore and there are discussions to simply drop the CD sized 650MB images for wheezy. They are likely to be replaced by images of maybe 1GB or 2GB
07:04<y0da89>setting up...
07:04<babilen>y0da89: yay!
07:04<y0da89>and stop
07:04<y0da89>like the wifi this morning
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07:05<reklipz>Can you type some of the messages you are getting? Anything with error or warning on the line would obviously be helpful.
07:05<babilen>y0da89: stop as in "ERROR SOMETHING BAD - I AM AN UNHAPPY CAT" or "stop" as in "No further output" ?
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07:06<y0da89>nothing displays with the modprobe...
07:06<babilen>That is good ... Now try the "ifup eth0" please.
07:07<y0da89>do i have to be connected to my bow when launching this command?
07:07<y0da89>cause it replied
07:07<y0da89>Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
07:08<babilen>The cable has to be plugged in, yes.
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07:08<SynrG>unknown interface means a missing network stanza in /etc/network/interfaces for that interface
07:08<babilen>But the error message indicates that eth0 (the ethernet interface) is not configured in /etc/network/interfaces
07:08<y0da89>ok gotta leave a few seconds to connect it again. Thank you for your help guys
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07:09<babilen>y0da89: Can you come here while your cable is connected to your laptop? (We are not done and it helps a lot if you can just follow along)
07:10*babilen wonders how many new users gave up on Debian at this stage
07:10<y0da89>same error when laptop connected to box
07:11<reklipz>y0da89: ifconfig eth0 up, by chance?
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07:12<y0da89>nothing
07:12<babilen>y0da89: Yes, that is expected. (See SynrG's and my comment earlier) -- Do you know how to use an editor as root? If so: Could you edit /etc/network/interfaces and add two lines to it. "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" -- Rerun "ifup eth0" once you've done that please.
07:12<babilen>hmm ...
07:12<babilen>hang on
07:13<babilen>forget that -- I'm with reklipz on this one (as we want to install network manager) -- Just run "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient eth0" and tell us if you got an address.
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07:13<babilen>Ah, always so many options.
07:13<reklipz>:)
07:13<reklipz>That's a good thing. Overwhelming for the new users though... And the DFSG forced complications like this don't help either.
07:13<babilen>indeed
07:14<y0da89>ok wait it is still connected to the box in the other room
07:15<SynrG>take care not to blame the DFSG. the fault lies in getting vendors on-side with the FOSS community to take their concerns seriously and provide source
07:15<SynrG>but i agree it's frustrating
07:15<y0da89>failed to get attributes of etc/resolv.conf
07:15<y0da89>no such file or directory
07:15<y0da89>will it be easier if I install the DVD?
07:16<Turl>/etc/resolv.conf controls the DNS
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07:16<babilen>y0da89: Please run "ping 8.8.8.8" and tell me if it transmits packages (should look like "64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=1 ttl=51 time=21.0 ms")
07:18<y0da89>20ms
07:18<Turl>you can "echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf" then (or your prefered DNS service IP) to gain full connectivity
07:18<reklipz>SynrG: Yes, I was going to clarify my statement, but I decided not to. I wasn't being negative, just stating that explaining the DFSG and it's implications to new users isn't something that is easily done.
07:18<SynrG>y0da89: which media you use to do the install (DVD or otherwise) makes no difference. be patient and we'll help solve things with what you have.
07:18<babilen>y0da89: You are online! Now try "ping google.com" -- Is that working?
07:18<SynrG>reklipz: agreed
07:19<y0da89>28ms
07:19<reklipz># aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade -- yay!
07:19<y0da89>as SUN
07:19<y0da89>?
07:20<y0da89>superuser?
07:20<SynrG>it's just culture shock. it would be like coming from a culture where tipping is not their custom, failing to tip, and then wondering why you get bad service next time you visit :p
07:20<reklipz>Might have to edit sources.list first as I still have the bug that the installer doesn't successfully comment out the cd source.
07:20<babilen>y0da89: Ok. You are online. As it is quite cumbersome to connect like this every single time I would recommend to install a couple of packages.
07:21<reklipz>y0da89: yeah, as super user. but follow babilen's advice first; I'm not sure what packages you'll need.
07:21<babilen>y0da89: We will have to configure access to package repositories first though. Please edit /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure it looks like the example I am pasting in a second.
07:22<y0da89>ok it downloads something
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07:23<reklipz>... I hope I didn't just do what I think I did.
07:24<y0da89>it says that no packet will be installed
07:24<babilen>y0da89: http://paste.debian.net/182748/ (See "/msg dpkg squeeze sources.list" and http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html for further information (the debian-handbook is recommended reading btw!))
07:24<reklipz>good. listen to babilen.
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07:26<babilen>y0da89: After you've edited that file you have to run "apt-get update" to fetch information from these repositories and activate them. After you've done that you should be able to install every package that is available in Debian's stable repositories. I would start by running "apt-get install network-manager-gnome firmware-iwlwifi" which installs the tools and firmware you need to connect to the internet (ethernet and wireless) from now on.
07:28<babilen>y0da89: Once you've done that (check that it is working after a reboot!) you are free to do whatever you want. You might want to install and configure sudo with "apt-get install sudo ; adduser YOURUSER sudo" (replace YOURUSER with your username). The most important first step, however, is to download and install security updates. That can be done with "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade"
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07:30<reklipz>s/dist/full/ -- dist is deprecated, right?
07:30<Turl>isn't full the deprecated one?
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07:30<babilen>y0da89: I would appreciate it if you could paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome firmware-iwlwifi" to http://paste.debian.net
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07:31<babilen>reklipz: You are thinking about aptitude's full-upgrade/dist-upgrade
07:31<themill>reklipz: apt-get doesn't know "full-upgrade". aptitude knows both but encourages the use of "full-upgrade" rather than "dist-upgrade" since dist-ugprade isn't just about changing from one release to another which many seem to think it is
07:31<reklipz>Turl: Man page for apt-get says nothing about full-upgrade; aptitude says: "This command was originally named dist-upgrade for historical reasons, and aptitude still recognizes dist-upgrade as a synonym for full-upgrade."
07:32<y0da89>ok sry for the delay it downloads and install something
07:32<reklipz>Why the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
07:32<y0da89>with the upgrade command
07:32<babilen>y0da89: That sounds wonderful :) Congratulations and sorry for the additional work.
07:34<babilen>The combination of CD1 + incomplete desktop environment on CD1 + no firmware really isn't good (but unfortunately quite a common "mistake" I believe)
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07:36<y0da89> "apt-get install network-manager-gnome firmware-iwlwifi" doesn't work
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07:36<y0da89>seems not valid
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07:36<babilen>y0da89: Just to clarify: You wouldn't have had these problems if you 1. Used the netinst with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) 2. Provided firmware during the installation (/msg dpkg installer firmware) or 3. Used DVD1 (which contains network-manager-gnome but *not* the firmware) for the installation. In the case of 3. you still would have needed to provide the firmware during the installation or afterwards
07:36<themill>y0da89: I bet it had a somewhat different error message than "not valid"
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07:37<babilen>y0da89: Could you paste the output of that command to http://paste.debian.net along with the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome firmware-iwlwifi" please?
07:37<y0da89>themill: impossible to find packet
07:37<y0da89>it says
07:37<babilen>y0da89: Ok, please also paste the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" (all in a single paste)
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07:45<y0da89>http://paste.debian.net/182752/
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07:50<y0da89>seems that he doesn't find the network manager
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07:53<reklipz>y0da89: comment out (put a # at the start of) the line containing "deb cdrom:[Debian ..."
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07:54<y0da89>ok and then?
07:54<reklipz>aptitude update
07:55<reklipz>and once that's done; aptitude install network-manager-gnome firmware-iwlwifi
07:55<y0da89>ok thanks but it seems that he doesn't find the network manager
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07:56<reklipz>it says that even after doing the things I just said?
07:57<y0da89>error 404 not found etc
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07:57<y0da89>when aptitude update
07:57<y0da89>seems it doesn't find anything on debian.net
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08:00<y0da89>ok forgot it i will install the dvd
08:00<y0da89>what to do next to install the firmware afterwards?
08:01<y0da89>copty the two .deb files and use dkpg is that good?
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08:08<rockdollar>I did it!
08:08<rockdollar>I got xchat working!
08:09<rockdollar>1st step in the right direction
08:09<tzafrir_laptop>(irssi?)
08:09<rockdollar>xchat
08:09*tzafrir_laptop uses xchat as well
08:09<rockdollar>haven't tried irssi
08:10<rockdollar>yeah I just installed Debian and had no idea what to do, irc seemed important as I felt a little cut off from the rest of the world
08:10<rockdollar>im a real linux noob though so it's all good
08:11<rockdollar>i'm happy anywau
08:11<rockdollar>the skys the limit
08:11<rockdollar>brb
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08:13<reklipz>y0da89: No need to install via DVD, that's just a waste of time. If anything, you want the netinst image. But still, a waste of time.
08:13<reklipz>You probably have an error in your sources.list; paste it again please?
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08:14<reklipz>y0da89: change the "http://debian.net" to "http://http.debian.net"
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08:15<y0da89>ok
08:15<y0da89>in all the lines?
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08:16<reklipz>yep
08:16<reklipz>that will solve the 404 issue.
08:16<reklipz>Once you've changed them all, then do an 'aptitude update' and an 'aptitude install network-manager-gnome firmware-iwlwifi' again
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08:17<reklipz>http://http.debian.net/ -- has more information on what it is -- It is a mirror redirector; you have to use "http.debian.net" rather than "debian.net" -- they're different domains, different websites.
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08:21<reklipz>y0da89: How'd it go?
08:22<y0da89>sec the pc is in the other room connected to the box
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08:23<y0da89>sems to work
08:23<y0da89>seems*
08:23<y0da89>but it asks me to insert the CD
08:25<gnugr>y0da89:remove #cd-rom lines from /etc/apt/sources.list
08:25<reklipz>y0da89: Make sure you comment out both the cdrom lines in sources.list
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08:26<reklipz>And then do 'aptitude update' (this makes the changes to sources.list take effect, and updates the package managers information with what's really available), and then install the software again 'aptitude install network-manager-gnome firmware-iwlwifi'.
08:29<y0da89>ok i installed with the CD
08:29<y0da89>network manager seems installed
08:30<y0da89>now i have to find how to find wifi networks and not add them manually...
08:30<y0da89>gotta play Belote with GrandMa. Back in 30minutes
08:30<y0da89>thanks to you
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08:31<y0da89>ty
08:34<rockdollar>can I learn Debian through experience or do I have to have the utilities to do it?
08:34<rockdollar>I guess I can just compile it myself right
08:34<SynrG>what is "it"?
08:35<rockdollar>to learn linux inside out so I can be a pro with linux
08:35<rockdollar>and to learn how to program in linux
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08:35<Calinou>rockdollar, i herd you like linux so i put linux in your linux so you can compile it. :P
08:35<SynrG>two its, there, and i was interested in the second one. compile "it" myself ...
08:35<Calinou>what kind of utilities?
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08:36<rockdollar>I put compilers in my linux box so I cam compile standards
08:36<Guest2263>hi all >(
08:36<SynrG>what is "it" in that statement? compiling individual parts of Debian is possible. compiling every package in Debian is a huge task and runs contrary to what Debian is all about.
08:36<rockdollar>I see, what is Debian all about?
08:37<Calinou>stability
08:37<rockdollar>maybe I should read more, I chose Debian because other Distros base themselves on it
08:37<SynrG>and high quality user experience. i wouldn't count "compiling packages from source" as a plus for user experience.
08:37<rockdollar>lol
08:37<rockdollar>i'm using aptitude now to install Hardinfo
08:38<rockdollar>I don't know where to begin, maybe just go with the flow
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08:38<SynrG>anyway, please keep your questions here to support-related things, and don't give us a play-by-play of what you're doing. if you encounter problems we can help with, we'd be more than happy to help, but be specific.
08:39<rockdollar>I understand
08:39<rockdollar>ty
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08:39<SynrG>!tell rockdollar about introduction
08:40<SynrG>rockdollar: you can priv message the dpkg bot to get more info on any of those topics that it just messaged you about.
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08:43<grubnnob>Hello, where can i find the german grub irc channel? (server..)
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08:43<petemc>grubnnob: i would guess irc.freenode.net
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08:44<grubnnob>ty, any channel for me?
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08:45<Calinou>#debian-grub?
08:45<Calinou>if you can't speak english, too bad
08:46<Calinou>(good luck finding specific people in a specific channel)
08:46<abrotman>there's a #grub on irc.freenode.net
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08:48<grubnnob>ok thanks all, i will try them all. cya
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08:58<rockdollar>I just installed Hardinfo using aptitude and it's nowhere to be found, have you got anyidea?
08:59<babilen>rockdollar: Try "dpkg -L hardinfo"
08:59<abrotman>rockdollar: dpkg -L hardinfo ... whatever that is
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09:00*babilen guesses that it is /usr/bin/hardinfo
09:01<rockdollar>weird, says it's not installed when I just completed a 100mb download
09:02<babilen>rockdollar: Please show us the output of "dpkg -l hardinfo ; tail -n 1" and "apt-cache policy hardinfo" on http://paste.debian.net please
09:03<babilen>rockdollar: On second though: I don't really need to see the output of the first command, but that of "apt-cache policy" would be interesting.
09:05<rockdollar>babilen
09:05<rockdollar>I installed using "aptitude install hardinfo"
09:06<rockdollar>fyi
09:06<rockdollar>http://paste.debian.net/182761/
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09:07<rockdollar>brb
09:08<babilen>rockdollar: It obviously didn't install and I would be wary when using aptitude on sid right now due to #672340 -- Please run "apt-get install hardinfo" and show us the output.
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09:13<rockdollar>back
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09:16<rockdollar>babilen : http://paste.debian.net/182762/
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09:17<babilen>rockdollar: Your system is in quite the broken state -- I would recommend to fix it. Try the recommended "apt-get -f install", but I guess that you have to remove/upgrade selected packages manually first. If you don't know how to handle this it might be a better idea to use stable (or maybe the frozen testing)
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09:19<rockdollar>babilen I might try this in the morning, before I go, is there any point in running apt-get upgrade while i'm sleeping?
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09:20<Calinou>rockdollar, it doesn't take that long... depending on your connection
09:20<babilen>The upgrade will most likely fail due to the same (or more) depency problems you encounter. It is quite important that you upgrade a bunch of packages though. It looks as if you haven't upgraded in a while.
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09:21<rockdollar>I only installed Debian yesterday, however the disc has been sitting around a while
09:21<rockdollar>I manually installed all the packages for xchat perhaps that's why
09:23<babilen>rockdollar: How did you install Debian and why do you track sid (unstable) right now? Why are you using i386 and not amd64? What kind of hardware are you installing on?
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09:24<rockdollar>I have a dual core pentium, I don't know what you mean by "tracking sid" and I installed using a graphical install from a cd I got through distrowatch
09:25<rockdollar>I thought x86 was the way to go
09:25<babilen>!tell rockdollar -about amd64
09:25<babilen>!tell rockdollar about why amd64
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09:26<rockdollar>ah, that makes sense
09:26<babilen>rockdollar: If you look at your paste at http://paste.debian.net/182761/ you'll see that it mentions "sid/main" -- This means that you must have changed your /etc/apt/sources.list from whatever was there before to sid.
09:26<rockdollar>babilen I did make some changes
09:26<reklipz>y0da89: I had to jet for a bit. How goes it?
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09:27<babilen>rockdollar: I am asking you why you did that, what you hoped to achieve by that and what install image you used for the installation. I do this in order to provide better support as it'll help me to understand your needs.
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09:30<rockdollar>babilen I was following instructions from a number of website as I was trying to get Xchat working, it wouldn't install so I went on a rampage of downloading dependencies with 1386 as I thought that was the best idea, x64 isn't fully supported in windows so I thought I would keep it simple. As for the image I installed using Debian 6.0.4 i386 1
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09:30<ayaka>I use mkpasswd -m sha-512 -s to get the passwd hash, but I can't get the same one as it in shadow and everytime it making is different
09:30<rockdollar>babilen would you suggest a reinstall with the AMD64 architecture?
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09:31<reklipz>ayaka: that's because mkpasswd uses a salt, and it's picking a different one every time.
09:32<babilen>rockdollar: What kind of hardware are you installing on? (CPU, graphic card, memory, ...)
09:32<reklipz>ayaka: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(cryptography)
09:32<ayaka>reklipz, so there is no fault
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09:33<reklipz>ayaka: probably not, no.
09:33<ayaka>reklipz, thank you very much
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09:33<rockdollar>babilen http://paste.debian.net/182765/
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09:34<reklipz>You can pass an additional option to mkpasswd after your password, which is the salt you want to use. It's -- biy!
09:34<reklipz>s/biy/bye/
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09:36<babilen>rockdollar: Ok, thanks. But which CPU is that and how much RAM do you use?
09:36<reklipz>Can anyone shed some light on this error -- http://packages.debian.org/lenny/synergy
09:37<babilen>lenny has been EOLed
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09:37<reklipz>babilen: Okay, I figured it was that simple, but I've seen oldstable package pages before.
09:38<rockdollar>babilen 2gb ram and the cpu : http://paste.debian.net/182768/
09:38<babilen>reklipz: I am not involved with the -www team, but it doesn't surprise me that packages pages aren't kept indefinitely for old releases.
09:39<reklipz>babilen: I'm not surprised either, we can't keep everything forever; that gets expensive.
09:39<babilen>rockdollar: Does your processor have a name? (Pentium 3, Core 2 Duo, Xeon E7450, ...)
09:40<reklipz>babilen: G41 chipset is for Core2Quad or Core2Duo -- FYI.
09:40<rockdollar>babilen it does have a name I just don't know what it is other than it's Intel
09:41<reklipz>rockdollar: grep model /proc/cpuinfo
09:41<rockdollar>bablen model : 23
09:41<rockdollar>model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7500 @ 2.93GHz
09:41<rockdollar>model : 23
09:41<rockdollar>model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7500 @ 2.93GHz
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09:42<rockdollar>my ba
09:42<rockdollar>bad*
09:42<rockdollar>babilen http://paste.debian.net/182769/
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09:43<reklipz>Interesting... either he has hyperthreading turned off, or that cpu doesn't support it.
09:43<babilen>rockdollar: Thank you and please paste to http://paste.debian.net in the future. It would have been enough to just say "Intel Core 2 Duo E7500" -- And yes, I would recommend to use amd64 for that. Could you paste the output of "lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net please?
09:43<abrotman>-nn ?
09:44<reklipz>-nnv ?
09:44<babilen>no (I want to check it on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ which wants "-n" unfortunately)
09:44<abrotman>ah
09:45<rockdollar>babilen http://paste.debian.net/182771/
09:45<abrotman>i thought that was out of date now ?
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09:45<rockdollar>how do i turn hyperthreading on?
09:45<babilen>Oh, is it?
09:45<rockdollar>bios i guess
09:45<reklipz>rockdollar: Your CPU doesn't support it, unfortunately.
09:45<rockdollar>:/
09:46<rockdollar>sad
09:46<reklipz>well, unfortunately if you want it, not unfortunately in general, necessarily.
09:46<babilen>rockdollar: Do you have access to the internet during your installation?
09:46<engla>rockdollar: see this info sheet http://ark.intel.com/products/36503/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E7500-%283M-Cache-2_93-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB%29
09:46<rockdollar>yes
09:46<rockdollar>ty engla
09:46<babilen>rockdollar: How do you connect to the internet? Can you connect via ethernet?
09:47<rockdollar>yes, ethernet babilen
09:47<rockdollar>i get about 5mbps download on average
09:48<rockdollar>so it's not the fastest
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09:48<rockdollar>:p
09:49<rockdollar>-Calinou- yes but do you have hyper-threading? :p
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09:50<babilen>rockdollar: I would recommend to use the netinstall image in that case (/msg dpkg netinst) or the one with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) for the installation. After you've done the initial installation you want to upgrade your kernel and Xorg to a newer version, because your GPU requires it (if hcl is to be trusted) -- The procedure is detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo" and "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" + "/msg dpkg bdo xorg"
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09:50<rfmt>hello everyone
09:50<reklipz>rfmt: o/
09:50<rfmt>i do got a major bug on my netbook, can u guys help me?
09:50<Calinou>what "bug"?
09:50<babilen>rockdollar: I would also recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/installation.html and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en
09:50<reklipz>squish it with your palm!
09:51<rockdollar>wow babilen thank yo
09:51<rfmt>well, my netbook freeze when its not on battery power
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09:52<rfmt>no mouse, no keyboard, no way to swtich to terminal
09:52<reklipz>rfmt: So, if you plug in A/C, it freezes; if you unplug A/C, you're right back to good?
09:52<rfmt>i get only a white screen
09:52<rfmt>reklipz, not really.
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09:52<babilen>rockdollar: And do *NOT* touch your sources.list to add wheezy,sid,testing or unstable to it! If a "tutorial" on the internet asks you to do it be *extremely cautious* and do not trust it.
09:52<rfmt>last time (just now), plugging it back again got me on MATE again
09:53<rfmt>but still no keyboard or mouse
09:53<rfmt>i tried a usb mouse, it worked!
09:53<rfmt>then i tried to reboot
09:53<rfmt>then again, the white screen of death
09:54<reklipz>rfmt: I would say try another A/C adapter. I've had problems with my A/C adapter refusing to charge my battery and causing issues with the bus the mouse and keyboard are on.
09:54<babilen>rfmt: Which Linux distribution do you use?
09:54<rfmt>fro this point, i have to wait for the battery power to end, only then i can turn it on again.
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09:54<reklipz>Switching A/C adapters solved all of my problems.
09:54<rfmt>Debian
09:54<rfmt>Wheezy
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09:54<babilen>rfmt: Where did you install MATE from? We also have a wheezy/sid specific support channel called #debian-next
09:55<rfmt>babilen: Mint repositories
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09:56<rfmt>could it be MATE?
09:56<rfmt>I never had this problem with XFCE
09:56<rfmt>I had other ones, though.
09:57<babilen>rfmt: That means that you no longer use Debian but some weird Debian/Mint Frankendebian -- you might be able to convince #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org to help you, but we cannot support that. I would strongly recommend to either use *pure* Mint or stick to official Debian repositories.
09:57<rfmt>babilen: yes, maybe, you're right.
09:58<rfmt>right, i'll try to do that. Thank you.
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09:58<reklipz>rfmt: If you can plug in a USB mouse after you lose your integrated mouse after plugging in A/C, then it's probably an issue with power management. I don't know why the screen would go white, though. I would definitely try to eliminate a faulty A/C adapter first though.
09:58<rockdollar>babilen what can I use to get the torrent?
09:58<babilen>Good luck -- If you can still reproduce the issue on a pure Debian system (i.e. not in MATE, but Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, awesomewm, fluxbox, fvwm, ...) come back. :)
09:58<reklipz>rockdollar: the torrent (.torrent), or the contents of the torrent (.iso)?
09:58<babilen>rockdollar: Which torrent?
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09:59<rockdollar>babilen debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent
09:59<rockdollar>I tried to install transmission but once again I can't see it anywhere
09:59<rfmt>yes, maybe that's the first way to go... thanks!
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10:00<babilen>rockdollar: I would just download the image directly and you have to install transmission-gtk if you want the graphical client. I doubt that you can install *anything* due to the fact that your packaging system is broken.
10:00<rockdollar>lol
10:02<rockdollar>thanks a lot for your time guys and girls
10:03<rockdollar>hopefully I can install xchat in under 5 hours next time
10:03<babilen>You are welcome -- Hope that this time your Debian experience is a bit smoother. Just remember not to mix releases as this causes endless pain and headaches.
10:03<rockdollar>I understand
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10:04<babilen>rockdollar: Just come back here, but installing XChat should be as easy as "apt-get install xchat" -- Note that some people think that XChat is a suboptimal client and that you should try clients such as irssi or Quassel ;)
10:04<rockdollar>I like mirc
10:05<rockdollar>:p
10:05<rockdollar>you wouldn't believe the effort I made to get where I am today
10:05<babilen>rockdollar: mirc is *not* available for Debian (or Linux) IIRC
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10:06<rockdollar>dependancy after dependancy
10:06<babilen>rockdollar: I would suggest to come here and ask for help instead of following dubious "tutorials" on the internet :)
10:06<rockdollar>that's why it took so long, first thing I wanted was irc
10:06<rockdollar>it was torturous
10:06<rockdollar>i'm not a friend of aptitude I must say
10:07<babilen>rockdollar: If something is a lot of work and feels wrong the likelihood that you are following the wrong advice is high. In particular software installations should be as easy as "apt-get install FOO". If it is not there is something wrong and you should question your approach/ask us.
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10:07<rockdollar>I understand
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10:08<rockdollar>babilen how can I burn the iso?
10:08<babilen>You can use brasero or k3b or ...
10:09<babilen>rockdollar: Are you offered anything interesting when you right click the ISO in nautilus (the file manager) -- You could also just copy it to a USB stick if you have one and install from there. (the stick's content will be overwritten and the approach is detailed in "/msg dpkg usb install")
10:10*babilen prefers to simply use USB sticks these days
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10:11<babilen>brb
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10:15<rockdollar>brb
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10:19<chico_marx>hello, I'm trying to install the appropriate drivers for my graphics card. It's an Nvidia GeForce GT 520.
10:19<chico_marx>google tells me that the right driver is Nvidia version 290
10:19<babilen>chico_marx: One second please. Let me double check that.
10:20<chico_marx>I wanted to install this "the Debian way"
10:20<chico_marx>but Im lost on how to do this exactly
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10:21<Nemoder>!nvidia
10:21<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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10:21<babilen>chico_marx: Please wait a second -- I am checking the nvidia driver versions in the repository for support for your card.
10:22<babilen>,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
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10:22<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 302.17-3; wheezy/non-free: 302.17-3; experimental/non-free: 304.32-1
10:22<babilen>chico_marx: NVIDIA lists it on ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ and I want to make sure that I provide good support.
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10:23<babilen>(In the README.txt)
10:23<Nemoder>290 or 3xx should work fine for that card
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10:24<Rockdollar>is aptitude safe to use with a stable release?
10:24<babilen>chico_marx: Yeah, the version in backports works fine for that card. (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/295.59/README/README.txt)
10:24<babilen>chico_marx: Which version of Debian do you use and which kernel version do you have installed?
10:25<babilen>Rockdollar: yes, but you can also use apt-get if you prefer that. Some people like graphical package managers such as synaptics, but I am not a fan.
10:25<chico_marx>2.6.32-5-amd64
10:25<Nemoder>Rockdollar: aptitude has been the recommended installation tool now for awhile
10:26<chico_marx>squeeze
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10:26<babilen>chico_marx: Ok. You want to enable backports, which is detailed in the instructions link on "/msg dpkg bdo".
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10:29<chico_marx>Im gettinf 404 error on backport instructions :(
10:31<bluenemo>is it not a good idea to apt-get upgrade in normal chroot? i cant umount /dev/ after it as stuff like udevd and cups (which after the upgrade run twice) and so on is using it.. i can kill them but i thought i'd ask :)
10:31<SynrG>unlikely. looks like the site is not contactable
10:31<SynrG>a 404 is a specific error response code which an uncontactable site, by definition, cannot return :)
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10:32<babilen>What bdo is down? /me rage-fixes that
10:32<tzafrir_laptop>blue119, are you familiar with schroot?
10:32<SynrG>babilen: looks like it, yeah
10:32<gnugr>this link works: http://wiki.debian.org/Backports
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10:34<SynrG>gnugr: of limited usefulness while the site is down
10:35<SynrG>the goal being to actually get the packages from the site, i assume, not just learn how to get them :)
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10:36<chico_marx>the add source button is disabled!!
10:36<tusharthantharate>Hi Guys,
10:36<tusharthantharate>I am looking for how debain update repostiory works
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10:37<SynrG>chico_marx: if you are continuing to try to add backports, that's not going to work so long as the site is down.
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10:37<babilen>chico_marx: Sorry -- I am not sure why backports is down right now and unfortunately we won't be able to continue with the installation until it comes back up. I will, however, let you know how to proceed once it comes back online.
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10:38<chico_marx>oh I see... thanks
10:39<babilen>chico_marx: In order to install the nvidia driver you have to install headers for your kernel. Could you paste the output of "aptitude search ~i~nlinux-" to http://paste.debian.net please?
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10:41<chico_marx>http://paste.debian.net/182781/
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10:43<babilen>chico_marx: Great! They are installed already. In order to install the nvidia driver you would run "aptitude -r -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms" which leaves us with the need to configure Xorg to use them.
10:44<babilen>chico_marx: That is done by: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
10:44<chico_marx>so... I dont need to enable backports?
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10:45<babilen>chico_marx: That will create a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with a suitable section for nvidia. (cf. "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf" and "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d") -- The only thing left now is to update your initramfs (/msg dpkg initramfs) with "update-initramfs -u" and reboot the system.
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10:45<chico_marx>do I do this now or wait till I can add the deb backports repository?
10:46<babilen>chico_marx: Yes, you *do* have to enable backports. Those instructions are meant to be followed once you successfully enabled it. (Note the "-t squeeze-backports" which causes aptitude/apt-get to install packages from squeeze-backports)
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10:49<chico_marx>ok, I'll try this as soon as I can, thanks :)
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10:55<ioio22>does live debian have R software?
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11:04<reklipz>A bit OT: With WPA2-Personal, everyone within your radio range can decrypt and see your traffic, right? With WPA2-Enterprise, is this still the case, or does everyone use a unique key?
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11:14<babilen>"weasel@dijkstra:~$ reboot-morricone" (quoted from #debian.de) -- backports should be back up
11:14<Calinou>reklipz, yeah, don't forget, THEY SPY YOUR GF TOO
11:14<weasel>backports should always have been up.
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11:15<weasel>backports-master was down
11:15<babilen>Calinou: Please keep in on-topic in here. Thank you.
11:15<babilen>weasel: Indeed, thanks for the help in either case.
11:16<babilen>chico_marx: You can continue with the installation now.
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11:17<reklipz>Calinou: When you work at a large institution, security is a real concern.
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12:55<reklipz>o/
12:55<andy_>Has anyone resolved wifi problems with the Broadcom 4313?
12:56<reklipz>andy_: which driver?
12:57<andy_>using wl
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12:58<andy_>usually connects after 6-7 tries; usually fails to get ip address on WPA2 and Unsecured
12:58<reklipz>andy_: I've had good success with b43 and wl (and ndiswrapper, for that matter) with my BCM4312. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 says that BCM4313 is a WIP.
12:58<reklipz>I don't know that you'll find much support for the proprietary driver here; this is #debian after all.
12:59<andy_>thanks, i'll try b43
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12:59<reklipz>It looks like it's not supported: "BCM4313 - chipset uses unsupported LCN PHY, we work on it." The wiki could be out of date, though. Worth a shot. Otherwise, it says wl/brcm80211 as an alternative.
13:00<reklipz>http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/brcm80211 -- the broadcom open source drivers?
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13:00<andy_>brcm80211 doesn't work for me
13:00<andy_>fails to connect every time
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13:01<reklipz>andy_: I thought that was wl. One sec, work calls.
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13:02<reklipz>andy_: I'm not familiar with brcm80211. It is open source, so this is a good place for support. You could try #linux as well, or the mailing list: brcm80211-dev-list@broadcom.com
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13:03<andy_>ok, thank you
13:03<reklipz>andy_: Debian wiki lists "irc://irc.freenode.net/bcm-users" as the IRC channel for the driver.
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13:03<andy_>i'll try that then :)
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13:27<Rockdollar>success it all works and xchat installed flawlessly
13:27<retrospectacus>!congratulate Rockdollar
13:27<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies Rockdollar, you did it!
13:27<Rockdollar>ty to all who helped
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13:28<Rockdollar>!
13:29<fbs>is there a program that resets the permissons of homedirs? Ive set my /home/bas to 700 but today it was back at 755 _again_
13:30<fbs>must be the 5th time in 6 months that this happened
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13:34<StefandeVries|> /connect irc.freenode.net
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13:37<Rockdollar>you know before when I was talking, the screen went black and I had to restart, ring any bells?
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13:38<mercutio22>Hi. One of my secondary HDs is not properly remounted after suspend. Is there a way for me force a remount?
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13:38<mercutio22>mount: special device UUID="c4c43182-aaf1-4205-9d0a-fa525306f3a9" does not exist
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13:40<mercutio22>very weird. its like the device disappears.
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13:44<mercutio22>here's the dmesg tail from moments before suspending: http://pastebin.com/6LqQrMpz
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13:47<mercutio22>no clues?
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13:48<mercutio22>yea... me too
13:48<Rockdollar>Can someone take a look at this, the files in the directory yet when I run dpkg it says it isn't their
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13:48<Rockdollar>http://paste.debian.net/182807/
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13:51<reklipz>Rockdollar: -l is --list, you specify the package name, not the package file.
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13:51<reklipz>Rockdollar: Are you trying to install that package? If so, use --install
13:52<reklipz>s/package/deb/
13:52<pablum>-L is the flag,isn't it?
13:52<pablum>or --info
13:53<Rockdollar>reklipz could you give me an example
13:53<Rockdollar>oh
13:53<retrospectacus>there are lots of flags, the man page knows all about them. Rockdollar needs to tell us what he wants to do
13:53<pablum>dpkg --info <filename>
13:53<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, pablum
13:53<Rockdollar>I want to install the package
13:53<pablum>hahah
13:53<reklipz>-l (lowercase L) is to list information about a package -- -i (lowercase I) is to install the package.
13:53<retrospectacus>dpkg -i whatever.deb
13:53<dpkg>package whatever.deb is already installed
13:53<pablum>well that's -i
13:53<retrospectacus>as per the manual
13:54<Rockdollar>that works, however theirs missing dependencies, how do I handle that?
13:54<reklipz>Rockdollar: use full options, not the shorthand, keeps this issue from happening. --install to install a package from a deb
13:54<retrospectacus>Rockdollar: apt-get -f install
13:54*pablum sighs
13:55<reklipz>pablum: why the sighs?
13:55<Rockdollar>thank you reklipz
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13:56<reklipz>Rockdollar: phoronix-test-suite depends on php5-cli and php5-gd -- install those packages (And their depends) and you should be set.
13:56<Rockdollar>yeah it's all good
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13:57<retrospectacus>or just dpkg -i pho...deb and then apt-get -f install will bring that in and finish installing pho...
13:57<reklipz>retrospectacus: I see that now, I was unaware. Thanks for the tip!
13:57<Rockdollar>I cant remember what I did but it installed them automatically
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13:58<reklipz>Rockdollar: probably apt-get -f install
13:58<reklipz>or apparently dpkg --install --force-depends pho...deb
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13:58<reklipz>or not, ignore that
13:59<reklipz>damn ubuntuforums.org ...
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14:00<Rockdollar>reklipz that's the one apt-get -f install
14:00*reklipz sighs
14:00<Rockdollar>hey you know what, my video card is being detected as AMD Radeon HD 4870 256M when it should be 1MB
14:00<Rockdollar>doh
14:00<Rockdollar>1gb
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14:01<reklipz>1 GB, you mean
14:01<Rockdollar>yes
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14:02<Apollo>is it a mobile card Rockdollar
14:02<Rockdollar>negative Apollo
14:02<reklipz>Rockdollar: lspci -v and pastebin
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14:03<Rockdollar>http://paste.debian.net/182808/
14:03<Rockdollar>reklipz^
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14:05<reklipz>Rockdollar: not sure. My card has 512 MB RAM, but shows as 256 MB prefetchable, as does yours. Where are you getting that 256 MB number from?
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14:06<Rockdollar>reklipz the Phoronix Test Suite
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14:07<vokevybez>megaglest returns this error http://pastebin.com/p5JMXW8n after i install, what library do ineed to insatll
14:07<vokevybez>install
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14:08<reklipz>Rockdollar: not sure; I wouldn't worry about it though; I'm sure the driver is doing the right thing.
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14:09<Rockdollar>I just started the download for the Proprietary Linux driver
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14:11<reklipz>Rockdollar: phoronix didn't catch that I have two graphics cards installed; I wouldn't trust it.
14:12<Rockdollar>wow okay
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14:39<Rockdollar>does anyone know what the Wine front end is? Something like play on wine
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14:40<arand>Rockdollar: playonlinux is one helper for wine (& winetricks?)
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14:41<Rockdollar>thanks arand
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15:25<chico_marx>im trying to include backports, but it's not working, is it still off air?
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15:26<rudi_s>!tell chico_marx about backports
15:26<rudi_s>!tell chico_marx about debian-backports
15:27<chico_marx>ok sure, Im trying to include it in my repositories, but the buton is not active
15:27<pablum>i haven't been able to finger out if backports are something you can apply to an old lenny install...
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15:28*pablum is far too lazy to update to a modern distro...
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15:30<pablum>or maybe burnt out is a little closer...
15:30<chico_marx>I try to add it, it seems simple enough, but it wont let me
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15:31<devil>pablum: my guess is, this was a rethorical question :)
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15:33<pablum>itym, a question to prompt theoretical discussions, but i actually wish to know (or am too stupid about what backports are to ask the right q)
15:34<reklipz>backports are packages from testing (or beyond?) that are compiled and crafted to work with stable.
15:34<pablum>my guess (based on what you say) is that the same issues are at issue for lenny but even more so than for whatever is stable now
15:35<reklipz>considering Lenny was EOL'd, yes.
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15:36<chico_marx>ok, I did it
15:36<chico_marx>Im trying to install the proper drivers for my nvidia card
15:36<pablum>well, hosing my system entirely is even more work than upgrading the distro, so i should do the lazy thing i suppose.
15:37*pablum put lenny on when it was... testing? unstable?... (when was that?)
15:37<devil>pablum: lenny was never unstable
15:37<pablum>well then testing
15:37<chico_marx>someone was nice enough to give me support on this earlier, but I lost it, my irc client wasnt logging
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15:38<chico_marx>I know what to install, but I lost what I was supposed to write on the xorg.confd
15:38<chico_marx>to enable the driver
15:38<pablum>newhey, over 10 years ago (on this 1.6G Pentium M)
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15:40<rudi_s>!tell chico_marx about nvidia
15:40<pablum>ah! http://backports-master.debian.org/news/lenny_backports_discontinued/
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15:53<chico_marx>awsome people! it works! thanks so much for all the help!
15:53<chico_marx>now all I need is to make the sound work
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15:55<Resinator>how do i get a BCM4311 broadcom wireless card to work in linuxmint debian edition, anyone?
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15:56<retrospectacus>Resinator: only debian is supported here.
15:57<retrospectacus>!lmde
15:57<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
15:57<Resinator>linux mint debian edition is not debian?
15:57<retrospectacus>correct.
15:57<Resinator>why do they call it debian edition then
15:58<dvs>it's Debian BASED
15:58<retrospectacus>...
15:58*Resinator shakes head
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16:01<pablum>plus googling "BCM4311 linux" with a lucky feeling gets you to a mint page...
16:02<streuner_>dpkg, bcm4311
16:02<dpkg>b43 is a driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net.
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16:35<Gladclef>I just replaced the tls ldap_slapd_cert.pem in /etc/ssl/certs and am about to /etc/init.d/slapd restart. Are you any issues you guys can forsee with restarting the service?
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16:44<grueners>hey there =) i installed debian squeeze today and tried to install the latest flash-plugin, so i followed the instructions in the debian-wiki and downloaded the package "flashplugin-nonfree-2.8.6.tar.gz. thing now is, i dont have a clue what to do with it - there doesnt seem to be the possibilty to run ./configure make make install
16:44<grueners>does anybody know what to do with the package?
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16:45<BlackFate>grueners, you got a .so file?
16:46<cobbra>Somebody have a ebook or material for LTSP on Debian? Not wiki debian, a more complete for personalization?
16:46<grueners>BlackFate: no, there's no .so-file inside that package either
16:46<retrospectacus>!tell grueners about adobe flash
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16:48<grueners>well thx retrospectacus, but i already got the information provided here... (at least i think so)
16:48<retrospectacus>grueners: well you got some tar.gz file... you're supposed to just run "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
16:49<grueners>i've tried that as well, but the package doesnt seem to exist in the repositorys i got in my sources.list
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16:50<rik_>grueners: do you have the non-free section in your sources.list ?
16:50<retrospectacus>,v flashplugin-nonfree
16:50<judd>Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.5; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.6
16:50<retrospectacus>it's in contrib ^
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16:50<grueners>i've tried different ones already, as my search gave me several differant links to add to my sources.list, but none worked :|
16:51<retrospectacus>put your sources.list on paste.debian.net if you like, we can make sure it's ok
16:52<rik_>grueners: you can also download the .tar.gz file from the adobe website and unpack it and copy the .so file to the correct location. This isn't the Debian Way though
16:52<grueners>thanks a lot retrospectacus, i'll do that :)
16:52<retrospectacus>you should just need to add the word "contrib" after "main" on the one line
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16:56<grueners>http://paste.debian.net/182827/
16:56<grueners>thats my current one, i've also tried different lines but i've already deleted them again as they didnt work
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16:56<grueners>ill try the method you just mentioned now
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16:58<retrospectacus>grueners: yep just put " contrib" on the end of each line except the last one (it's already there)
16:58<retrospectacus>and that last line is "backports" not "flash"
16:59<retrospectacus>!tell grueners about backports
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17:01<grueners>retrospectacus: it now looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/182828/
17:01<grueners>but unfortunately it still doesnt work
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17:02<retrospectacus>don't forget to run "apt-get update" after changing that file grueners
17:02<grueners>:D
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17:03<retrospectacus>and you can probably remove the top CDROM line, unless you plan to keep the cd in there
17:03<exiopetricidas>hola
17:03<reklipz>Is the 'gnome' package the highest level package for the GNOME desktop as installed by DVD / netinst?
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17:03<retrospectacus>good day exiopetricidas
17:03<exiopetricidas>There are somebody spanish?
17:03<retrospectacus>reklipz: yeah, sounds right
17:04<retrospectacus>!es exiopetricidas
17:04<dpkg>exiopetricidas: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
17:04<grueners>you're a genius, everything works just fine now =) and that sounds like a good idea
17:04<grueners>thanks a lot retrospectacus !
17:04<retrospectacus>no problemo
17:04<exiopetricidas>ok thank's you very much
17:04<reklipz>retrospectacus: problemo...
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17:05<retrospectacus>probleme?
17:05<gon-pera-gon>hello, Can help me to download (half life 2) is a computer game
17:06<reklipz>I just found it funny; saying problemo after !es
17:06<retrospectacus>heh
17:06<reklipz>gon-pera-gon: No.
17:06<Apollo>gon-pera-gon: No.
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17:06*reklipz high-fives Apollo
17:06<retrospectacus>gon-pera-gon: for Debian? no, that's a Windows game
17:06<gon-pera-gon>i know
17:07<retrospectacus>hopefully soon Valve will release Steam for linux and then yes, we could probaly help you
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17:07<reklipz>gon-pera-gon: If you already own the game, you can try Wine or likewise. But you're likely to receive better help via other channels.
17:07<gon-pera-gon>I download to another computer
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17:08<retrospectacus>gon-pera-gon: you install steam, free at steampowered.com or some place... then buy that game. Do you have a debian question?
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17:08<gon-pera-gon>no...
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17:09<reklipz>Well that takes care of that.
17:09<retrospectacus>!next
17:09<retrospectacus>aw
17:09<reklipz>hah
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17:20<grueners>retrospectacus, do you happen to be still here?
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17:21<grueners>shockwave was installed - but now everytime i try to open a site using flash, shockwave crashes
17:21<grueners>tried using epiphany, opera and chrome
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17:24<retrospectacus>grueners: check ''dmesg|tail'' for an error perhaps?
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17:25<retrospectacus>opera and chrome are both not in debian
17:26<grueners>yeah, i know, but im running a really old pc here and those are the only 2 browser which run at a reasonable speed
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17:26<grueners>dmesg|tail doesnt seem to provide any information about it
17:26<grueners>to be sure im gonna post it though
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17:27<retrospectacus>grueners: run the browser from a terminal and see if it outputs any errors when it crashes
17:27<grueners>k
17:28<exiopetricidas>hi
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17:30<grueners>http://paste.debian.net/182838/
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17:31<grueners>just visited youtube.com in both cases. opera tells me shockwave crashed, epiphany just crashes
17:31<racha>#icsujnfvdfjvklsv
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17:31<retrospectacus>what's in those opera logs grueners
17:31<retrospectacus>/home/grueners/.opera/logs//crash20120808232826.txt
17:33<grueners>well for some reason, those files dont seem to exist
17:33<pablum>mymymymymy
17:33<grueners>the log dir is empty
17:34<grueners>and if i try opening them via the terminal, an emtpy files shows up
17:34<grueners>:|
17:34<retrospectacus>hm, good thing we don't support opera
17:34<grueners>:D
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17:34<grueners>im gonna try the same thing with chrome. one sec
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17:35<grueners>http://paste.debian.net/182839/
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17:36<grueners>you reckon i might have multiple flash-plugins installed which somehow interrupt the others?
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17:37<retrospectacus>you might
17:37<grueners>how do i check for this?
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17:39<retrospectacus>grueners: look in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
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17:40<grueners>theres one file called "flash-mozilla.so"
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17:40<grueners>i just removed the "gnash"-package before, cause i recalled seeing that name earlier and i found out thats a free alternative to flash
17:40<grueners>didnt change anything though
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17:41<grueners>ah wait a sec. wenn i type about:plugins in chrome, it tells me i also have futuresplash installed. im gonna try removing that as well
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17:44<grueners>i really hate flash. every single time i set up a linux system it annoys me. just wanted to say that ;)
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17:44<retrospectacus>heh, yep it's a pain alright
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17:46<retrospectacus>mine has Shockwave Flash
17:47<retrospectacus>10.3 r183 /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
17:47<retrospectacus>works fine... that's chromium though, not chrome
17:48<grueners>yeah i wanted to use that as well, but with that i couldnt get adblock to work
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17:48<grueners>problems everywhere :D
17:48<retrospectacus>?? never had that problem
17:48<retrospectacus>erry day I'm adblockin
17:48<grueners>told me my version was too old, and a quick research showed that this seems to be a common problem
17:48<grueners>hehe =)
17:49<retrospectacus>oh mine says that upon startup too, ignore it
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17:50<grueners>yeah the thing is google seems to have changed something; youve been able to install older versions of adblick
17:50<grueners>but the latest one only works with the original chrome
17:50<grueners>so be careful with updating it :)
17:51<grueners>at least thats what i read
17:51<retrospectacus>noted
17:51<retrospectacus>,v chromium-browser
17:51<judd>Package: chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; sid: 20.0.1132.57~r145807-1; wheezy: 20.0.1132.57~r145807-1
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17:52<retrospectacus>somehow I have v.14.0
17:52<devil>grueners: chromium has its own flash version builtin. no need to install anything
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17:52<grueners>yeah i've read that as well. didnt work though.
17:52<grueners>or to be precise:
17:52<devil>worked every time for me so far
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17:53<grueners>i was able to watch some flash animations, others i could not. plus, i had to manually activate flash everytime i wanted to watch something, since chrome told me my version of flash was out of date and i should update it
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17:54<devil>well, afaik it gets updated with the browser
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17:54<grueners>yeah ive read that
17:54<devil>so, i got 21.x today. let me check the flash version
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17:55<sml>hi all. any current docs on quota or quotatool ?
17:55<devil>Flash (2 files) - Version: 11.2 r202
17:55<grueners>what the. mine had a 10.xx version installed
17:56<grueners>dont remember the exact one but it was definately sth with a ten
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17:56<grueners>i think flash hates me :|
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17:56<grueners>its only fair though as i hate it as well.
17:56<retrospectacus>flash hates everything
17:56<grueners>=D
17:56<devil>grueners: depends on your chromium version. mine is 21.0.1180.57 Debian wheezy/sid (148591)
17:57<retrospectacus>especially my cpu and video card. I switched to "youtube-dl"
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17:57<grueners>yeah unfortunately i cant tell you which version i was using, removed it already as it didnt work for me anyway
17:57<racha>IDENTIFY lin00ne
17:58<grueners>i tried 2 versions
17:58<retrospectacus>!pal racha
17:58*dpkg points at racha and laughs uproariously
17:58<grueners>first the one of the squeezy repos
17:58<grueners>and then some other for some reason i already forgot
17:58<grueners>well you know what guys
17:58<grueners>i think im just gonna go to sleep now
17:58<grueners>i dont wanna think about anything related to flash today anymore
17:58<grueners>=D
17:59<racha>:/
17:59<grueners>but thanks anyway, its nice that there are such helpful people
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17:59<retrospectacus>grueners: until next time then
17:59<devil>racha: don't forget to inform us about your new password :P
18:00<racha>This hasn't been my day
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18:00<grueners>yeah i got the feeling that this has not been my last visit :P
18:00<grueners>good night everyone!
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18:02<sml>no one 'ere use quota then issit?
18:02<retrospectacus>!anyone
18:02<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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18:03<retrospectacus>and before you start asking me in particular, no, I do not use it :P
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18:03*sml is looking for a current guide on quota stuph as all da shiz he's found so far has been ancient
18:04*sml thinks he's actually got it working anyway, but would be nice to read up a bit (loves RTFM)
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18:04<retrospectacus>!quota
18:04<dpkg>somebody said quota was a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction.
18:04<petemc>do you think quota has changed much?
18:04<retrospectacus>that might help
18:04<devil>sml: quota has not changed much, so ancient is ok
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18:05<sml>devil: there are only about three commands and i've read teh man pages twice. got it all working. just a bit unsure as to why on one box i had to create the quota files and on another they were created for me
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18:06<sml>i don't like inconsistencies :) like to know if quotacheck -vacgum was run for me by dpkg or something
18:06<devil>i do not remember those ever being created for me
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18:07<sml>devil: exactly. on one box i had to create them (my test box). when i deployed live they (using a user and group quota) were created for me. weird huh?
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18:08<devil>i just checked my notes, i had to touch those
18:08<sml>only thing i can think is that i had alraedy had the parts mounted with usrquota/grpquota when i installed the quota/quotatools package. so maybe there was a post inst script or summink. i'll 'ave a look in the .deb
18:08<petemc>sml: you can checl pre/postinst scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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18:08<sml>petemc: thansk
18:10<pablum>a city in poland?
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18:12<sml>thanks devil, petemc
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18:12<sml>bedtime :) night all
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18:27<pablum>wahnsinn
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19:10<CouchWolf>Im sort of new when it comes to package managing, can you install arch and use aptitude with it somehow?
19:11<abrotman>arch the distro ?
19:11<CouchWolf>Yeah
19:12<retrospectacus>arch uses aptitude but that's not on topic here.
19:12<CouchWolf>Sorry
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19:13<retrospectacus>oh no it doesn't.
19:13<retrospectacus>anyways go ask an Arch channel
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19:14<CouchWolf>Ill leave you to your idling.
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19:14<abrotman>yay!
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19:46<honschu>Can someone help me? On http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Arm/OtherPlatforms it says: "Installation space can be hard drive, usb mass storage, SD/other memory card or even a nfs space." : I want to install debian to nfs-space. How to do that?
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19:48<pparadis>!tell honschu about debootstrap
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19:49<honschu>pparadis: I can start the debian installer. It works. But fails to find a harddrive: Because there is no. I want to use NFS as root filesystem.
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19:49<honschu>Where can I mount it?
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19:55<retrospectacus>honschu: anywhere you want...
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20:05<eltayeb>best firewall in linux ??
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20:06<flower>configure iptables if needed, eltayeb
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20:34<Rockdollar>Hey can someone help me with PlayOnLinux, it installs fine though when I try to run it I get the message "playonlinux is unable to find 32bits-OpenGL libraries "
20:35<sney>sounds like you need the 32-bit opengl libraries to me. what debian version?
20:35<abrotman>it's a based-on
20:35<abrotman>i think ?
20:35<sney>abrotman: repeat customer?
20:36<sney>playonlinux is a wine frontend, it's in main iirc
20:36<abrotman>oh, wrong
20:36<abrotman>me wrong
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20:37<juanita>test
20:37<sney>Rockdollar: what debian version"
20:37<juanita>is this freenode?
20:37<sney>juanita: no, this is oftc
20:38<juanita>oh
20:38<juanita>my problem is that i did updates today for 6.0.5 and now the wifi isnt functioning properlyl. i was discussing it with devs in #debian in freenode
20:38<juanita>thanks
20:38<Rockdollar>sney Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-45) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4)
20:39<sney>juanita: devs? well, the helpers in #debian here and #debian on freenode are mostly the same people
20:39<abrotman>juanita: sambagirl ?
20:39<sney>Rockdollar: what video driver?
20:39<juanita>yes
20:40<juanita>well i am anita my moms name is juanita it's her laptop i made for her
20:40<juanita>hi abrotman
20:40<abrotman>juanita: so the wifi doesn't work now, or it does ?
20:40<juanita>trying to get to freenode
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20:40<juanita>doesnt connect. i had to do a firmware fix when i first installed debain on here.
20:41<abrotman>juanita: /msg dpkg b43
20:41<sney>Rockdollar: anyway, for nvidia you would need nvidia-glx-ia32 and for fglrx you would need fglrx-glx-ia32 etc, just install what makes sense for your hardware.
20:41<Rockdollar>fglrx for Radeon?
20:42<sney>if you are using the fglrx (non-free) driver, yes
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20:42<Rockdollar>by non free do you mean the proprietary driveR?
20:42<sney>right
20:42<Rockdollar>hm
20:42<Rockdollar>okay
20:43<Rockdollar>this should be fun :p thanks
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20:44<abrotman>you got a weird idea of whta is fun
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20:50<Rockdollar>I'm just looking forward to X crashing
20:51<Rockdollar>or whatever it id
20:51<Rockdollar>or whatever it is
20:52<sney>why would X crash
20:52<Rockdollar>everytime i've tried this in the past it has ended in a new install
20:52<sney>tried what, exactly?
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20:53<Rockdollar>sney for some reason when i've updated proprietory drivers in the past my computer gets to a certain point then the monitor goes off
20:53<Rockdollar>everything installs fine but it ends in disaster
20:54<sney>who said anything about updating? I only said if you are using fglrx, you would need fglrx-glx-ia32 for wine/playonlinux to work
20:54<sney>it's just a support package, not a full U
20:54<sney>"update"
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20:55<Rockdollar><Rockdollar> fglrx for Radeon?
20:55<Rockdollar><sney> if you are using the fglrx (non-free)
20:55<Rockdollar>sney you said that applies to the proprietory driver
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20:55<Rockdollar>I have the default driver that came with the debian install
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20:56<sney>Rockdollar: this is something you should have said
20:57<Rockdollar>ah
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20:59<sney>looks like you probably just need ia32-libs
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21:03<Rockdollar>how can I execute a .run file?
21:04<abrotman>from nvidia?
21:04<Rockdollar>ati
21:05<pparadis>Rockdollar: chmod +x filename.run ; ./filename.run
21:06<sney>some men just want to watch the world burn
21:07<pparadis>sney: hey, i'm just answering the last qustion :D
21:07<Rockdollar>ty muchly ppardis
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21:08<sney>Rockdollar: fyi, there are packages available in debian for that driver if you decide you want to use it. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
21:08<utkesmer>hello, i need help with my debian vps
21:08<pparadis>!ask
21:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:08<Rockdollar>ty sney
21:09<utkesmer>ok, so i have a debian ssh server 6.0.5 vps
21:09<pparadis>Rockdollar: you really should use the packages, btw.
21:09<utkesmer>i run 4 servers and 1 irc bot in it
21:09<utkesmer>i typed top
21:09<pparadis>!enter
21:09<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
21:09<utkesmer>and saw that
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21:10<utkesmer>514636 k total, 418134 k used 76034 k free
21:10<utkesmer>i'm suprised because soldat dedicated server doesn't use that much resource
21:10<pparadis>http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
21:10<utkesmer>so then i typed htop
21:10<utkesmer>and saw
21:10<utkesmer>many many many soldat server processes
21:11<utkesmer>and mysql processes too, irc bot waas using mysql so i installed mysql
21:11<pparadis>utkesmer: please stop pressing enter so often. also, please pastebin the output of "free -m" to http://paste.debian.net
21:11<utkesmer>sorry, i will k
21:11<juanita>has anyone else with broadcom wifi card had any issues from the recent updates that have come up?
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21:12<utkesmer>http://paste.debian.net/182849
21:12<pparadis>utkesmer: do you know how to read that output?
21:13<utkesmer>i dont think so no
21:13<utkesmer>http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2773/20120809030415.jpg
21:13<pparadis>utkesmer: you have 466 MB free memory.
21:13<utkesmer>what?
21:13<sney>utkesmer: www.linuxatemyram.com
21:14<pparadis>utkesmer: please read the link sney just pasted, which is oddly enough the one i gave you a minute ago, but i'm assuming you didn't read then.
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21:14<utkesmer>yes i read it now, but my problem is not that actually
21:14<utkesmer>it's just its begining
21:14<pparadis>utkesmer: let's start by making sure you understand that you have 466 megabytes of free memory. do you understand that?
21:15<utkesmer>yes i do understand that and i'm very happy about it
21:15<pparadis>okay, please continue then, and please do not hit enter constantly.
21:16<utkesmer>so now, there is a game called soldat, and it has dedicated server program, soldat dedicated server, i'm a new linux user, i was trying to run 4 server and 1 irc bot from my debian vps
21:17<utkesmer>i ran 4 servers, and also the irc bot successfully, i installed mysql for irc bot btw, my vps is in istanbul, turkey, when we play in our servers, the ping is very low, but sometimes there are some lag spikes
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21:17<utkesmer>you can easily see that, it gets unplayable sometims, whatever then i tried ask in irc channel, why is there lag when pings are that low?
21:18<utkesmer>some guys told me that, if you have very low ping and still lag, most likely your vps's memory may not be enough for your servers etc
21:19<pparadis>utkesmer: first, please understand that we provide support for things that are in the debian repositories. that said, it would be helpful to see the output of "free -m" during periods of lag, along with iotop output perhaps. you may indeed be running out of real memory and swap thrashing.
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21:19<utkesmer>so i tried to look for processes running at the background, i typed top, well actually we skipped that part because i know about ram now
21:19<utkesmer>no my problem is something else wait
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21:20<utkesmer>whatever then i saw the multiple processes in HTOP, you can see ss, i think i ran the servers multiple times, and that's why the memory got full, and it started to lag
21:21<utkesmer>so i tried to kill processes with pkill, it didnt go well, i wasnt able to kill them idk, i used F9 in HTOP to kill them, and i killed all soldatservers
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21:21<utkesmer>and also somethings about mysql too
21:22<utkesmer>i'm able to re-run the servers right now, but when i try to run the irc bot, it gives an error about mysql, i want to restore what i did
21:22<pparadis>utkesmer: what error does it give?
21:22<utkesmer>wait
21:22<pparadis>utkesmer: it seems you are taking a very, very long time to come around to your point.
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21:23<utkesmer>pparadis, i know, but english is not my mothertongue and it's hard to tell something that i don't know much about
21:23<pparadis>utkesmer: if there is a ton more background information, you might want to consider either (a) making a pastebin with all the information, from start to finish, it in, complete with the full description of your actual problems(s), or (b) posting to mailing lists about it.
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21:24<pparadis>if you choose (a), we could then review all the information in the pastebin and then proceed to try to help you with your problem(s).
21:25<utkesmer>i can't paste the processes here, because i killed them, but i'm going to paste errors, sec.
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21:26<utkesmer>pparadis http://paste.debian.net/182852
21:26<utkesmer>it gives this error
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21:27<pparadis>utkesmer: is mysql running? "/etc/init.d/mysql start"
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21:28<utkesmer>pparadis tried to do that http://paste.debian.net/182853
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21:29<utkesmer>oh k
21:29<pparadis>utkesmer: you have to be root.
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21:29<pparadis>(to start/restart daemons like mysql)
21:29<utkesmer>ok, i did start it now
21:29<pparadis>also, have does "df -h ; df -i" say?
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21:30<utkesmer>couldnt understand what you told last
21:30<utkesmer>i will try to run the irc bot now
21:30<pparadis>please pastebin the output of "df -h ; df -i"
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21:33<utkesmer>http://paste.debian.net/182854
21:34<utkesmer>http://paste.debian.net/182855
21:34<utkesmer>df -h and df -i
21:34<Rockdollar>sney i'm using http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze but it's telling me to stop my graphical manager using invoke-rc.d gdm3 stop, it's telling me command not found
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21:35<utkesmer>btw i ran the irc bot now :)
21:36<utkesmer>pparadis http://paste.debian.net/182856 there are 2 bots in the channel right now, i want to terminate one
21:37<utkesmer>pkill 32268 doesn't kill it
21:37<pparadis>utkesmer: kill -9 32268
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21:39<pparadis>utkesmer: but surely there's a more "polite" way of killing such apps?
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21:39<utkesmer>well i didnt understand that sentence too
21:40<utkesmer>i wish i could speak and undertand this lang as good as you but i dont
21:40<utkesmer>:)
21:40<pparadis>utkesmer: does the bot have a standard way of starting and stopping it?
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21:40<utkesmer>well i dont know, i just write it's direction and add -d at the end
21:41<utkesmer>there is a guide about it http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35961.0
21:42<utkesmer>pparadis can you suggest me a link that is a manual about debian ssh server commands and related stuff for a beginner like m
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21:48<pparadis>utkesmer: just one moment
21:48<utkesmer>ok
21:48<pparadis>http://debian-handbook.info/
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21:52<utkesmer>thanks pparadis, i thought that lagging problem is related to memory usage and i ruined the processes :) now it's ok, i want to ask one more thing, how to add something to autostart? or how to make somethinglike a script that even if the ircbot or one of the servers crash that script will restart it
21:54<pparadis>utkesmer: you can google for information on how to write debian init scripts. you can also do something basic like run a basic shell script in a screen session that starts the bot in a loop that will restart it if it does/doesn't exit with a particular exit code.
21:55<pparadis>the latter is a barebones way to keep something running, btw.
21:56<pparadis>in that case, to truly kill the bot, you'd kill the script running in the screen session first, then kill the bot's process.
21:57<pparadis>utkesmer: to give you an idea of how to start something at boot in a screen session, this is how i run irssi on a debian VM for irc: "@reboot screen -U -d -m -S IRC irssi"
21:57<pparadis>that's a crontab entry for my user account on the VM.
21:57<utkesmer>i heard that crontab thing before, yes
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21:58<utkesmer>i will study that book
21:58<utkesmer>thanks for the help
21:58<utkesmer>good night
21:58<pparadis>utkesmer: sure thing, good night! \o
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22:17<Rockdollar>ty all worked beautifully
22:18<Rockdollar>sney after installing the proprietary drivers Phoronix test suite correctly reports my graphics card now as 1024MB
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22:27<Yammer>Hello
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22:28<Yammer>Is anyone alive in here?
22:29<youlysses>No, no-one.
22:29<sney_>nobody here but us chickens.
22:29<sney_>!ask
22:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
22:30<Yammer>lol ok then
22:32<Yammer>Well, my problem is trying to get X to "see" my monitor, I installed the driver for my video card using the software center... so I on longer have to use "nomodeset" to get X to work... but my monitor still shows as "unknown"
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22:36<sney_>Yammer: software center? what debian version is this?
22:38<Yammer>Err, the lastest?
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22:39<sney_>cat /etc/debian_version
22:39<Yammer>I am using squeeze
22:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 502] by debhelper
22:40<sney_>ok, so what's the issue? that it's not detecting your specific brand & model of monitor? is there a usability concern?
22:41<Yammer>6.0.5
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22:43<Yammer>Yes it's not detecting it at all... I'm "stuck" in a res of "1024x768". I don't care if it won't see the specific brand or model, but it's a flat panel and I can get a res much higher then that. Would be nice for game and watching movies, etc
22:44<Yammer>Everything else works just fine so far
22:45<sney_>I have to go outside for a bit but can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of 'xrandr'
22:45<Yammer>Ummm, sure
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22:49<Yammer>sney_ do you want the whole log file? It's pretty big
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22:51<Yammer>I am starting to think I need to uninstall the other (generic) nvidia drivers
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22:53<sney_>I asked for the whole log file. I look at a lot of log files so my eyes parse them pretty quickly.
22:53<sney_>you'll get better results if you try not to think of this from a windows mindset, though.
22:54<Yammer>X.Org X Server 1.7.7
22:54<Yammer>Release Date: 2010-05-04
22:54<Yammer>X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
22:54<Yammer>Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 i686 Debian
22:54<Yammer>Current Operating System: Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:01:19 UTC 2012 i686
22:54-!-Yammer was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
22:54<abrotman>he was going paste the whole log ?
22:54<sney_>paste BIN I said
22:54<sney_>selective reading, sigh
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22:55<sney_>Yammer: pastebin the files, as in put them in a pastebin, which is a kind of website where you can post text
22:55<sney_>http://paste.debian.net/ for instance
22:55<Yammer>Ohhhhhhhh, sorry I am more or less a noob
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22:56<Yammer>Thank you for your help, btw
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22:57<Yammer>http://paste.debian.net/182863/
22:57<Yammer>I'm coming over form Ubuntu, I hate Unity that much
22:58<abrotman>do they allow you to paste whole X logs in #ubuntu?
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23:00<Yammer>I have no idea, I never really used Ubuntu
23:01<Yammer>'s IRC
23:02<sney_>anyway, you seem to have disabled nouveau somehow so you're just using the vesa vga driver
23:03<sney_>what did you do through software center exactly
23:04<Yammer>I just downloaded the driver for my video card, then rebootede
23:04<sney_>what driver did you download and from where
23:05<sney_>or, more specifically, did you download the .run file from nvidia.com and use it
23:05<Yammer>No
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23:05<sney_>good. don't
23:06<Yammer>I know form experience not to to do that, I tried to install a driver on another computer once for a TNT card for their site... drove me nuts and broke X
23:06<sney_>yeah, that's what the nvidia installer does. so what did you do then?
23:07<Yammer>I Just downloaded the 96.**.** driver for the software center
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23:07<Yammer>and rebooted
23:08<Yammer>It's in Debian's repostory
23:08<sney_>nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms?
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23:09<Yammer>yes I think it was that package
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23:10<sney_>ok, can you run 'lsmod' in a terminal and see if the module 'nvidia' is loaded? I'd tell you to grep but I don't remember if the legacy one adds a string
23:10<Yammer>sure... let me run that
23:12<Yammer>it says "nouveau" is running
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23:12<Yammer>Isn't that the generic driver?
23:14<Yammer>Wait, I see "nvidia" running too
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23:14<deitrick>no opensource nvidia drivers
23:14<Yammer>I know, poo on them for that
23:15<sney_>Yammer: ok, the nvidia and nouveau drivers can't coexist so that's why it wound up running vesa, though you're lucky, usually X just gives up
23:16<Yammer>lol, I guess I am lucky
23:16<Yammer>I was lucky to find you to help me!
23:16<sney_>Yammer: can you look in /etc/modprobe.d/ for a file that contains the line 'blacklist nouveau'? usually it'll have nvidia in the name, e.g. nvidia-kernel-common.conf
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23:17<Yammer>Ok sney, let me look
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23:18<sney_>unfortunately, most #debian helpers are pretty familiar with nvidia headaches.
23:18<Yammer>I understand that
23:18<Yammer>I found it
23:19<Yammer>In that folder is a file named "nvidia-kernel-common.conf"
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23:19<sney_>and that file contains 'blacklist nouveau'?
23:19<Yammer>yes
23:19<sney_>ok, do you remember when you installed when it asked you if you wanted a generic initramfs or a targeted initramfs with only the drivers (modules) that your system requires
23:20<Yammer>I don't recall it asking me anything like that... I must have missed it...?
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23:21<sney_>well, anyway, when you selected targeted it decided that your system required nouveau, so it loads nouveau before even getting to the part where it's supposed to be blacklisted. nouveau can't be unloaded once it has been loaded, so now we arrive at your issue
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23:22<Yammer>I guess I have to drop a few run levels to fix it?
23:22<sney_>regenerate your initramfs with the command 'update-initramfs -u' as root
23:22<Yammer>Ok, thank you
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23:22<sney_>because of limitations in the nivida driver, you also have to tell X to use it, as it won't autodetect like the built-ins
23:22<Yammer>ok
23:23<sney_>you can generate an xorg.conf if you want, or do this: mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d;echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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23:26<Yammer>Ummmm, type that whole bit as root? I am confused
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23:28<sney_>copy and paste if you're on your debian system. all it does is create the xorg.conf.d directory in /etc/X11 if it doesn't exist, then make a 5-line mini xorg.conf that tells X to use nvidia and leaves everything else dynamic
23:28<Yammer>Ah ok, thank you, I'll do that now
23:28<Yammer>Done
23:29<Yammer>Should I reboot or log out, log back in?
23:29<sney_>with that file in place and the initramfs regenerated, you should be able to safely reboot and have normal X activity
23:29<sney_>what gpu was this anyway, that you needed the 96xx driver?
23:30<Yammer>Ok thank you so much for your help
23:30<sney_>(just out of curiosity)
23:30<Yammer>It's a GeForce3 Ti200
23:30<Yammer>I am going to get a new card for this computer soon, I will use upto a x4 AGP
23:30<sney_>ah, neat. I had (still have, somewhere?) an OG Geforce3
23:30<Yammer>lol cool
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23:31<sney_>anyway, fyi for 4x agp users, you can actually use 8x cards as they are compatible, they will not be quite as fast as they would native but they work otherwise. should broaden your options. I ran a radeon 9800XT for about a year before replacing my agp 4x board.
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23:32<Yammer>Hmmmm, I might get one of those then
23:32<sney_>the geforce FX (5) series was considered worthless by a lot of people so they're probably still absurdly cheap as well.
23:33<Yammer>I might go with an ATI card, I have an AMD cup
23:33<Yammer>Athlon XP 2200
23:34<Yammer>This is my older machine, I built it myself back in 2004 lol
23:34<sney_>hmm, you're probably about my age, then. anyway, reboot and see if it works
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23:35<Yammer>Ok, I'll brb
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23:46<Yammer>Hello Again
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23:54<sney_>too slow
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23:55<vimes>hello?
23:56<XReaper>?olleh
23:56<Rockdollar>hello people
23:56<Rockdollar>ole
23:56<Rockdollar>ole!
23:57<Rockdollar>can someone decode this for me : SimCity 4: installers fail to advance progress bar and also remains on 0.00% all the time (kernel32.CopyFileExW needs to support callback/progress routine) It's exactly what i'm experiencing
23:57<sney_>!wine
23:57<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>.
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