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01:32<phorce1_home>hmmmm, squeeze ... nVidia 520, nVidia drivers. Unplugged the cable to my hdmi monitor to test something and now it won't "come back". Any way to force redetection without a reboot? It's where my txt console is directed. Thought it was an X issue and had to ssh in from my phone to restart gdm3
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03:22<Zee>Hi guys.
03:22<Zee>I have a question regarding servers, storage and such
03:23<pparadis>!ask
03:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:23<Zee>What application can I use to mount space from X slave servers to the SAME dir on master server?
03:24<Zee>sshfs cannot do this..
03:24<Zee>can nfs?
03:24<pparadis>Zee: it sounds like you're talking about a clustered file system implementation.
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03:24<Zee>yes, it is
03:24<Zee>im running a cloud service..
03:24<pparadis>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCFS2 || http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFS2
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03:25<Zee>alright.. so in you oppinion, which of the two is easiest and which is best suitable?
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03:28<pparadis>Zee: that's a very loaded question, and not one for me to answer for you. my best advice is to set up test environments, learn how these systems work, decide which seems best suited for your needs, and proceed with caution.
03:28<pparadis>especially if you're going to be providing services to customers based on such a setup, you really need to understand these things inside and out.
03:28<Zee>yes, I was just about to write that.. Ill be starting off with ocfs2.. Looks simplest.. And in most cases, the simple things work!
03:29<Zee>yes
03:29<pparadis>nod, enjoy :)
03:29<Zee>were only in the idea stage of thiings!
03:29<Zee>things*
03:29<Zee>i have a final question!
03:30<Zee>Is it possible to convert a current setup to ocfs2 or GFS etc
03:30<unknown_lamer>I am going to have to run kgdb today, and hope I can debug a bug that only happens with two processors online and results in the hardware locking hard without so much as a peep from the kernel on a serial console
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03:30<unknown_lamer>may rms have mercy upon my soul
03:30<pparadis>the short answer is "there is not automated means of doing what you are asking" and the long answer is "you'll understand the short answer once you get a bit further down the road"
03:30<Zee>I, for good reasons, cant go to singapore, tokyo etc to be at the terminal.
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03:31<unknown_lamer>When in doubt, just use openafs
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03:31<Zee>ok.. So it is possible to fdisk remotely on a currently running server!
03:31<pparadis>Zee: sure, with remote console access.
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03:31<pparadis>and only if the filesystem supports fsck and it's mounted read-only.
03:31<pparadis>(preferably not even mounted)
03:32<pparadis>oh, sorry, you said fdisk, not fsck.
03:32<Zee>i use putty to connect to my vps's..
03:32<Zee>were creating a set of vps's around the world, to test this out..
03:34<pparadis>yep, it's possible to do fdisk as well, although you need to use extreme care and you can't shrink partitions/filesystems while they're online for ext2/3/4, and you really should do it from an alternate OS environment if possible... see man pages for fdisk/parted/etc for details.
03:34<Zee>we have some ideas about cloud storage etc, ip based.
03:34<Zee>ok
03:34<pparadis>i've done remote root partition resizing using only ssh access by creating a modified initrd that did the needful at boot time, but that's not for the faint of heart.
03:34<pparadis>(and it still required a reboot)
03:35<Zee>i have alot of tools at disposal.. I can boot the vps in rescue mode.. I should be able to alter the FS there, set up the correct fstab environment and then boot it up!
03:35<pparadis>for this stuff, you really want to be able to boot into a recovery/livecd environment of some sort and access it via console (which may be a virtual console for VMs)
03:36<pparadis>rescue mode... sounds like you're using linode.
03:36<Zee>yeps :) Just my thought :)
03:36<Zee>nah, its running debian squeeze x64
03:36<pparadis>right, i mean who is the hosting provider?
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03:36<Zee>what the host use for virtual environment, i dont know.
03:36<Zee>its VPS.net
03:37<pparadis>heh, i'm quite familiar with them. yes, rescue mode is your friend.
03:37<pparadis>do they actually call it rescue mode now?
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03:37<Zee>since youre quite familiar with thise blokes, is it a good or bad thing? :)
03:38<pparadis>this is not the appropriate place for me to make any such value statements.
03:38<pparadis>we're just here for debian support :)
03:38<Zee>yup :)
03:38<Zee>and no, its called, boot in recovery
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03:54<grandie>i dhcp into a dsl router do i need to "or should i" use a proxy and or firewall?
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03:55<TheBonsai>$ make sense
03:55<TheBonsai>make: *** No rule to make target `sense'. Stop.
03:56<Zee>heh
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04:02<grandie>for security purposes. should i use a proxy or firewall configuration in setting up my debian system, thanks
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04:06<TheBonsai>if the dsl router is a NATing router, there is a kind of "implicit firewalll" for the LAN behind that router (due to the NAT engine), unless you configure virtual servers (port forwarding) and the like
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04:13<grandie>TheBonsai: yes thanks, what i am interested in is whether or not i would gain any additional security in using them
04:15<TheBonsai>you would. if it makes sense (if the price is too high for the benefit) or not is on another paper.
04:16<pparadis>grandie: you need to start by understanding what firewalls do. in basic terms, they permit or deny traffic to services based on source and/or destination, and in some cases stateful inspection of the traffic. there are certain appliances designed to inspect traffic for certain characteristics and take certain additional filtering actions on it, but this is not exactly a commonly implemented thing.
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04:16<TheBonsai>what do you want to protect?
04:17<grandie>my system
04:17<TheBonsai>private LAN? soho? enterpris environment?
04:17<grandie>i was lead to believe that it was a must
04:17<pparadis>grandie: there are different classes of threats, such as service vulnerabilities, application layer vulnerabilities, etc. penetration testing and threat mitigation planning is about identifying what you want to protect, what its value is, what compromises of different sorts would cost, etc.
04:18<pparadis>what the cost of attacking it is, what standards are in place for data protection, etc. but really this all starts with understanding that firewalls are not magical cloaks.
04:18<grandie>i guess what i am trying to find is a way to make sure nothing gets in that i don't invite
04:18<pparadis>that's what the entire world wants :)
04:18<TheBonsai>disconnect the box from the network :)
04:18<pparadis>but there is an old saying, from bruce schneier in fact: "security is a process, not a product"
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04:19<pparadis>grandie: buy his books and read them --> http://www.schneier.com/
04:20<grandie>thanks i already there, later
04:20<pparadis>grandie: a couple of fun links --> http://www.schneier.com/cryptography.html && http://www.schneier.com/books.html
04:21<TheBonsai>your NATing router provides a kind of basic network level security, that's all (and usually enough on this level). client-side security should be added (like protection of webbrowsers or email programs, virus stuff). IMHO enough for private use
04:22<pparadis>nod, it really comes down to "subscribe to security lists [see http://security.debian.org/], keep your systems up to date, know what apps you're running, audit custom code carefully, always wear your seatbelt."
04:22<TheBonsai>"always wear your seatbelt" :)
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04:22<grandie>TheBonsai: pparadis: thank you for the feedback, this old man needs to do a lot more reading in getting his debian system setup.
04:23<pparadis>oh and of course "don't be a nice guy and give your buddies random shell accounts on your servers"
04:23<TheBonsai>but also keep in mind that "security sensitivity" is OK, but "blind fear" is useless
04:23<pparadis>grandie: see also --> http://debian-handbook.info/
04:23<grandie>i gave at the office, not from home, thanks
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04:24<pparadis>TheBonsai: yep, at some point things have to be useful and you've gotta be realistic about the value of what's being protected.
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04:24<grandie>being called for dinner, gotta go, later!
04:25<TheBonsai>m00
04:26<pparadis>i do like my steaks to moo.
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04:26<pparadis>that's one area i'm not fanatical about security ;)
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04:27<TheBonsai>heh
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04:48<artic>Load -e GlobalFind.mrc
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05:13<sml>hey all. I have a dual boot setup with Win7 Home (windows tax, which i kept just because i'd paid for it!) and CentOS and they use grub to boot. i have about 70gb of unpartitioned space on my harddrive and want to install debian and triple boot. now.. how to install debian so that the other two arent' fscked?
05:14<sml>install debian but dont install a boot loader? then boot into centos and run grub?
05:16<TheBonsai>at least "configure in grub", yes. and you can of course re-use the swap partition, if any, for the additional linux
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05:17<sml>yes. good point about teh swap part. hadn't thought of that. i just didn't want the two to have a war over who owns the bootloader as they'll no doubt be usnig different versionf of grub
05:17<sml>erm. appologies for very bad typing there! wet fingers
05:17<TheBonsai>i don't know how the debian installer sees that. i don't multiboot
05:18<sml>I thought maybe the best way would be to install debian but do it without installing a bootloader. then boot into centos and rescan for new OSes and reboot.
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05:19<TheBonsai>sounds okay, but i don't know the possibilities of the installer in this case (that's what i meant above). but i think you can choose not to install a loader
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05:23<slush>you can skip installing grub on the mbr in the installer
05:25<sml>slush: nice. thanks for that
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05:33<SynrG>if it's a laptop and you use hibernate, don't share the swap.
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05:35<dragondon>does anyone know of a application that I can layout a timeline? Think of it as soemthing like a movie script but MUCh more simpler (dates/events)
05:36<dragondon>seems I found it :) http://sourceforge.net/projects/thetimelineproj/?source=directory
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05:42<SynrG>timeline.debian.net uses http://www.simile-widgets.org/timeline/ (apt-get install libjs-simile-timeline)
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05:48<sml>SynrG: it is a laptop..
05:49<SynrG>do you suspend (to ram) or hibernate (to disk)?
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05:50<SynrG>the former is fine. the latter uses swap
05:50<SynrG>your hibernation image will be wiped by the other OS if you share swap
05:50<dragondon>thanks SynrG , maybe there'll be better instructs for it :)
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05:51<sml>SynrG: i occasionally hibernate but usually i just shutdown as my laptop boots in about 20s anyway
05:51<sml>i can just share swap but remember to never hibernate
05:51<SynrG>or hibernate, but never: 1. hibernate 2. boot to another OS 3. expect to be able to resume from your now wiped hibernation image
05:51<sml>v. seldom use it anyway. if i got loads of stuff open and i dont have a power supply handy i use it. otherwise not.
05:52<sml>SynrG: just easier to never use hibernate. my memory is not so good ;-)
05:52<SynrG>or don't share swap
05:52<sml>SynrG: but then i waste 4GB of disk
05:52<TheBonsai>"waste"
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05:53<SynrG>if you consider hibernate to not be useful, by all means, don't use it :)
05:53<sml>TheBonsai: well using 4GB on a feature i seldom use. can just as easily have 4GB more disk and never hibernate
05:53<sml>SynrG: well, indeed :) it's a trade off
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05:53<sml>thanks for all the thoughts. i'll go install :)
05:54<SynrG>while we're on the topic of wasting ...
05:54<SynrG>if you don't hibernate, 4G of swap is probably excessive
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05:55<SynrG>by the time you dip into swap, your system performance is suffering enough so that you probably just want to exit one or more memory-hungry apps ...
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05:55<SynrG>you could do without swap entirely, or else drastically downsize it
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05:55<sml>SynrG: well old dogma stated 2xRAM, but i just set it to my size of RAM, 4GB, just in case i needed to hibernate ever. 8GB of swap seemed a lot.
05:55<TheBonsai>well, reminds me of the other box with 90G swap for support reasons :)
05:56<dragondon>SynrG, well, those instructions were way too detailed and gets complicated real fast. Thanks any ways.
05:56<SynrG>2xRAM might have made sense when memory was very expensive and swap was a necessity ...
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05:57<sml>SynrG: well am only using 700MB at the moment and im unnecessarily in GNOME.
05:57<SynrG>sml: you could try just turning off swap entirely and see if it makes any difference whatsoever. swapoff -a
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05:57<sml>SynrG: i might do that. i doubt it will as i've never seen swap used in top.
05:57<SynrG>try that for a while. i bet you don't miss it :) at the end of the experiment, recycle that space
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05:59<TheBonsai>IMHO active swap space has its usage
05:59<TheBonsai>and if it's only holding the foobarxy-daemon memory you need once a month
05:59<sml>what happens if you DON'T have swap and you try to hibernate. hopefully you get a warning of some kind saying it can't hibernate ?
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06:01<TheBonsai>i think you can configure where to go
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06:02<sml>right. lots of food for thought. adios all :)
06:02*sml waves
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06:07<TheBonsai>i hope i'm able to upgrade soon to get rid of those idiotic 90G swap :)
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07:14<kAnon>setting up xchat to work over tor
07:15<kAnon>wondering if this works, can I test this somehow?
07:15<TheBonsai>i can't read your text. seems it doesn't work.
07:15<TheBonsai>oO
07:15<kAnon>lol
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07:29<Waxhead>Hi, I just upgraded my motherboard from a old p4 to core i5 quad core type thing. Anyway since I am running 32bit I wanted to access more memory so I installed the amd64 kernel. Now virtualbox (from backports) refuses to start any vm's complaining that I need to modprobe vboxdrv who is already there (lsmod). Is this a know problem?
07:30<abrotman>Waxhead: you sohuld ahve probably just used the -pae
07:30<abrotman>Waxhead: or if your /home/ is separate, do a full reinstall
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07:30<Waxhead>abrotman. K, so I just "downgrade" to a bigmem kernel and try then....
07:31<Waxhead>a reinstall is a bit "violent"....
07:31<abrotman>sure
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07:33<gdb>Keep a backup of /home, /etc, /opt (if you use it), /usr/local (if you use it), and bits of pieces of whatever custom you have in /var/*, /srv, and so on and a reinstall can take you a half hour tops.
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07:35<Waxhead>Well... easily scared - especially when I run a raid5 (soon raid6) (with no backup).
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08:12<Guest2655>IDENTIFY
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08:54<joseph-soares>in cpufreq-applet I have selected "ondemand" for all cpu. Is there how to set "powersave" for all by default? I mean, when I restart my computer it starts with powersave setting
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08:58<s4br3>What is the best Debian package for previewing a large number of already installed fonts?
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09:03<gold>estrapuler file
09:03<gold>gotmentorsexe
09:04<zkutch>Hi. Have anybody success in compiling 2.5.1 kernel with nvidia 302.17? I obtain nv-procfs error and, imho, this need nvidia patch - or not?
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09:10<s4br3>found what I need - fontmatrix!
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10:03<claw_>hey guys... powertop shows gave me that line:
10:04<claw_> 158 W 100,0% Device USB device: Integrated Ca
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10:04<claw_>USB device: Integrated Camera (Ricoh Company Ltd.)
10:04<claw_>the led of the cam is off
10:04<claw_>and no application I run should be using it
10:05<claw_>i am a bit paranoid because of this
10:05<claw_>anybody can help ?
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10:06<claw_>158 Watts should be realy toooo much for a webcam
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10:08<claw_>i just enabled autosuspend for the cam and it is turned off now
10:08<claw_>anyway 158Watts ?
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10:47<cybersphinx>claw_: If your webcam really sucked 158W it would have melted by now. Probably a bug in the webcam driver or wherever powertop gets its values from.
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10:49<ecuajor>hola
10:49<ecuajor>necesito ayuda
10:49<sney_>!es
10:49<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:50<ecuajor>gracias
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10:53<dragondon>ok, somehow Synpatic Package Manager just dissapeared....been having very odd things happening under Xfce...kinda worried about the decision to switch for both myself and the upcoming stable release....
10:54<dragondon>how do I get the menu item back for it?
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11:10<Guest2663>Hello for all
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11:11<Nextan7>I just migrated my server from version 5 to 6 of debian
11:12<Nextan7>Now my server of my Sql not start. Can you help me find the solution?
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11:14<Nextan7>My message: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
11:15<Nextan7>(je parle aussi français e falo também português)
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11:20<daemonkeeper>Nextan7: Read the logs
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11:22<Nextan7>how to read the logs, please?
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11:34<rationalglaze>exit
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11:35<sney_>Nextan7: logs are in /var/log and are usually named very obviously (e.g. mysqld.log)
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11:37<Nextan7>ok, tks
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11:58<bluenemo>hi guys, i once had this command where i could kvm -vnc :0 and then crtl alt F10 and then startx -vnc :0 or something. anyone know how to do this? :)
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12:21<bluenemo>what i want to do is have one x display (say F10) to connect to any vnc port. am i making sense?
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13:11<bunjee>can onyone tell me how to access terminal in Ubuntu 21.04
13:11<bunjee>12.04
13:11<Ganneff>!ubuntu
13:11<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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13:25<anwender>Hello
13:26<anwender>I have not worked " startx "application" --1 "
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13:47<xylon>does gnome have any sort of scheduled tass tecknology?
13:47<xylon>s/tass/tasks/
13:48<abrotman>linux does
13:49<xylon>Really? I doubt.
13:49<xylon>Don't worry, I'll just use cron
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13:49<abrotman>uh .. cron is a scheduled task system
13:49<xylon>Just I've never used this version of cron before
13:49<abrotman>so is atd
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13:51<xylon>hum that's interresting
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14:09<afuentes>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-updates/ list is empty
14:09<afuentes>is this normal?
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14:15<yser>im confused.. if i start my program motion with my user.. the program doesent have the right to write to a dir that the user own.. without making the dir chmod 777
14:15<afuentes>yser, could you ls -l the parent dir for us?
14:17<yser>drwxr-xr-x 4 yser yser 4096 12 aug 17.50 v
14:18<yser>in the dir v, there´s a dir called cap where motion writes the captured video
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14:18<yser>and cap/ has to be chmod 777 for motion to be able to write to it..
14:20<movl>chown -R
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14:20<yser>yes, but i want to have as less premissions as i can on that folder..
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14:21<movl>chmod -R :)
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14:25<abrotman>it does not have to be 777
14:25<yser>i can change the group of the dir
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14:26<yser>to the group video or motion.. and make it writeble for the group
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14:27<movl>the best advice is the one when the asker figures out stuff for himself
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14:45<Alukardd>Hi all! Can you help me?) If there way to send message to all tty, despite user logged in on it. Wall send msg only to all logged tty and pts, and what about absolutely all tty?
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14:51<movl>Alukardd: I believe it is possible, but it might involve you doing some Unix system research
14:51<movl>and implement yourself
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14:52<Alukardd>movl: thanks :-)
14:52<movl>for example, BSD
14:52<Alukardd>why BSD? Why I can search in GNU/Linux systems?
14:53<movl>if there is a system message, it will be broadcast to the first tty, irrespective of or if someone is logged in
14:53<movl>so it must be possible in Linux
14:53<movl>that was the point :)
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14:53<Alukardd>I think like you, but I can't find answer)
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14:54<movl>if I might ask, what do you want to accomplish by this? or just for fun?
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14:54<Alukardd>JFF)
14:55<movl>:)
14:55<movl>did Google have any answers?
14:55<Alukardd>only wall, write and talk :-(
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14:57<yser_>how do i reattach a screen with only the sessionname?
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14:59<movl>Alukardd: do you know anything about ttys and ioctls and the like?
14:59<Alukardd>movl: I can somthing bad like this: for t in /dev/tty* ; do echo qq > $t; done
15:00<movl>and is it working?
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15:00<Alukardd>sure
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15:00<Alukardd>but not as broadcast message
15:01<Alukardd>only print clear text in available position
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15:01<movl>you're right, it is nasty
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15:06<afuentes>so broadcast a \n as well? :p
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15:09<Alukardd>afuentes: emulate broadcast msg format by echo?)
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15:10<yser_>i love linux
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15:11<afuentes>Alukardd, im not sure what the proble was, but i read that he was printing in available position
15:11<unknown_lamer>I can't wait to use ftrace to debug this delightful smp-only race condition
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15:11<afuentes>so maybe a \n would work it out xD
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15:11<unknown_lamer>sney_: I tried using maxcpus=1 (to enable the APIC) and ... card still works. So it really has to be a multi-cpu issue :(
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15:14<xanoplex>any suggestions on an alsa compatible bass/treble equalizer package? i don't see how default volume control will do this and am not sure which package is alsa compatible... would it be better to install oss compatibility and use oss-based tools?
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15:16<martina>hi, i have a problem with videos. can u help me?
15:16<abrotman>ask ..
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15:17<sney>unknown_lamer: bummer :( well, you could still use it as a server, at least
15:17<unknown_lamer>sney: I REFUSE
15:17<unknown_lamer>sney: I have to grab girlfriend-mandated lunch and then I'm sitting down with ftrace for a bit
15:17<unknown_lamer>this has to be a really trivial lock contention or race condition
15:18<martina>everytime i try to play my downloaded utorrent movies in vlc (or browser, or random video player), the screen says: "trying to play hd file aborting redirecting to site"
15:18<unknown_lamer>probably something not using an atomic operation for acquiring a lock around writing the command processor
15:18<unknown_lamer>unfortunately this involves debugging X11 :(
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15:18<unknown_lamer>there are lots of exciting changes to my GART driver that have great commit comments like "compile tested"
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15:19<unknown_lamer>from what I can tell KMS was designed to make people like me buy new computers
15:19<sney>unknown_lamer: you could also try a bunch of newer/older kernels to see if the problem goes away
15:19<unknown_lamer>sney: yeah, I tried KNOPPIX from may and still no dice... going to try a livecd from january next
15:19<martina>after 3 '' the movies stop and my pc freez
15:20<unknown_lamer>sney: after that comes the fun of "how the hell do you bisect this?"
15:20<sney>no need to go to that extreme when there's a load of kernels on snapshot.debian.org and upstream. your smp system should build them in a hurry
15:20<unknown_lamer>I'm really not sure how you can when the kernel/X server/DDX driver/Mesa driver all have to be in lockstop
15:21<sney>haha, yeah, I just did the bisect dance too, though mine found the cause of a weird wifi bug
15:21<sney>hmm, indeed
15:21<sney>are you on squeeze?
15:21<unknown_lamer>wheezy/sid
15:21<unknown_lamer>squeeze still does UMS and would probably work fine with my r200 and go boom with my rv530
15:22<unknown_lamer>the knoppix idea seems reasonable for tacking down a "it started after $date"
15:22<unknown_lamer>just boot and start xscreensaver and if it dies... well then
15:22<sney>yeah, and then at least you can narrow it down a bit
15:23<sney>I'd file a bug as well if you haven't already. the kernel team may have some insights that you haven't come up with yet. Also, per the /topic, the wheezy support channel is #debian-next
15:24<unknown_lamer>oh no, I didn't realize the channels had been split up. I sort of trailed off on joining #debian after it moved to OFTC
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15:25<martina>sry, who should I ask for help for a vlc problem?
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15:26<sney>martina: if you are getting video files that break and tell you to visit a website, those are fake video files designed to catch pirates. can you try with a video from a non-torrent source?
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15:29<abrotman>oh yeah .. i should try that ...
15:29<afuentes>whats the size of the video? open in gedit?
15:30<martina>700 mb
15:30<martina>open also in gedit
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15:31<martina>@sney: yeah, old videos non-torrent source work it. but now i can open ANY movies downloaded by utorrent.
15:32<mika_>french
15:32<abrotman>!fr
15:32<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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15:33<Alukardd>eh, I have no idea to send broadcast msg to all tty better than "echo"...
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15:42<movl>Alukardd: I got some info for you
15:42<movl>the kernel forbids access to non-used ttys
15:43<movl>like "sudo echo "something" > /dev/tty2"
15:43<movl>where tty2 is not in use
15:43<movl>you will get permission denied
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15:48<Alukardd>movl: I can send any text to any tty throw echo.
15:48<Alukardd>movl: I did it as root, sure
15:48<Alukardd>not sudo
15:48<movl>I used sudo and I got permission denied
15:48<Alukardd>:)
15:48<movl>lemme see
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15:49<movl>you're right
15:49<abrotman>movl: that's because of sudo, not the tty
15:49<movl>well I guess your dirty solution works after all :)
15:50<movl>crap, I must be tited
15:50<movl>*tired
15:50<movl>:))
15:50<abrotman>apparently
15:50<Alukardd>now will start olympic games closing ceremony, and want to sleep)\
15:51<abrotman>thank goodness
15:51<movl>I haven't seen one second of the olympics
15:52<weasel>Sun 21:43:05 <movl> like "sudo echo "something" > /dev/tty2"
15:52<weasel>movl: that > is your shell doing. it's not sudo doing.
15:52<weasel>movl: therefore that file redirection doesn't get elevated privileges
15:52<weasel>movl: one trick is to pipe things through sudo tee [-a].
15:53<movl>thanks weasel
15:53<movl>like I said, I am tired , so I hope this is the only reason I went brain numb :)
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15:54<Alukardd>"fear, ask and believe" ©
15:55<weasel>I'm not convinced such a short statement can actually be copyrighted.
15:56<Alukardd>I used to put the sign in all expressions that I have borrowed elsewhere
15:56<weasel>it'd be way better if you actually provided a source. attribution rocks.
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15:58<Alukardd>weasel: It's national rock singer)
15:58<Alukardd>Bye, all)
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16:12<yser>screen -S motion -X quit <-- works greate.. as long as there only is one screen socket named motion.. how to quit all pid.motion ?
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16:12<tale>yser: killall motion
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16:13<yser>yes, that is one way to do it :)
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16:41<cogdog>why am I still getting updates when I am only using testing in my repos. Thought there was a freeze ?
16:42<cogdog>upgrades is what I ment
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16:43<ompaul>cogdog: how do things get fixed?
16:43<ompaul>cogdog: until the release you will see fixes incoming
16:43<cogdog>ahh nice
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16:45<cogdog>ompaul so its all comming from this deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
16:45<cogdog>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
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16:45<cogdog>yeah they are on their own lines =)
16:46<ompaul>no
16:46<ompaul>until release security repos don't exist
16:46<cogdog>kk ... so what is getting frozen then?
16:46<ompaul>no major upstream changes
16:46<ompaul>i.e. no kde 4.9
16:46<ompaul>no new kernels
16:47<ompaul>there is an unless - but that's not interesting here
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16:47<cogdog>So stuff in sid is moving into testing
16:47<cogdog>just not major stuff
16:48<ompaul>http://www.debian.org/releases/
16:48<cogdog>thx
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16:48<Apollo>any when te switchover testing->stable will be?
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16:49<ompaul>Apollo: when it's ready, (maybe five or six months) but really when rc bugs are gone
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16:52<yser>so.. if i run my motion program with the user www-data.. will that work?
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16:54<yser>im too tired.. later :)
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18:10<l1nr007>Hello,..does anyone know why line #247 is not working .. here is the code: http://pastebin.com/sTGXZWv5 it's not perfect.. but it does the job ;) the goal is installing the gnome-shell themes
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18:14<abrotman>l1nr007: what's the error
18:14<abrotman>?
18:15<l1nr007>line #247 just get ignored.. it doesn't ask the question.. and I don't know why
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18:16<abrotman>works fine at the shell ?
18:16<abrotman>l1nr007: i'd say you may want to ask #bash on freenode
18:17<l1nr007>yes, the whole script is working fine.. except it doesn't ask me whether i want to use the installed theme or not..
18:17<l1nr007>strange
18:18<abrotman>do any commands after that get executed ?
18:18<l1nr007>i didn't try that...
18:18<l1nr007>let me check
18:19<l1nr007>yes they are
18:21<l1nr007>I just don't get asked for confirmation.. ODD !!
18:22<abrotman>does it need -s ?
18:22<abrotman>oh, i guess that's the default
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18:25<abrotman>it's weird that it works at the shell .. so you're saying if you echo something before/after, they both come out, but not your questin ?
18:25<l1nr007>no it doesnt
18:25<abrotman>what about using an echo/read ?
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18:25<l1nr007>yes
18:26<abrotman>i'm saying, have you tried tried using a normal echo and read ?
18:26<l1nr007>here.. please check: http://postimage.org/image/e54r0kccr/full/
18:26<abrotman>instead of asking read to display the string
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18:27<abrotman>wonder if it could have to do with the quoting ?
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18:28<abrotman>have it echo the theme_name before it asks ?
18:28<abrotman>l1nr007: i'd say ask #bash on irc.freenode.net ..
18:29<abrotman>it's likely something non-obvious
18:29<l1nr007>abrotman, thanks :)
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18:49<Stereo>hi everyone
18:50<Stereo>I have a security question, and I think I have the answer, but I'm not sure I've thought it through properly
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18:51<Stereo>imagine you have a php app, and it stores its config in /etc/foo/foo.ini. /etc/foo happens to be world writable. Of course this means anyone on this machine can influence how foo works and maybe run stuff as www-data, but are there any other risks I'm overlooking?
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18:54<Muhan>Most likely. But isnt those reasons enough ? to make sure the directory that stores the .ini files is safe
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19:03<Stereo>Muhan: it would indeed be reason enough for me. "But we all have access to the web stuff on that server!"
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19:04<Stereo>I admit, I'm trying to win an argument :)
19:04<Mark4life>I am looking into Debian-Live as a way to quickly install Debian plus some light apps on recycled computers. I'd like to build an iso based on DL for quick install on these machines. Can the DL installer do this, just install what's on the iso?
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19:08<abrotman>Stereo: world writable or 777 ?
19:08<abrotman>Stereo: yeah, it's not good, you could fill up /etc/
19:09<abrotman>Mark4life: why not use the regular installer ?
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19:10<Mark4life>For times-sake. I figure I could build the iso once with what I need on it and install again and again.
19:10<Stereo>abrotman: 777
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19:10<UBES>Salve
19:11<Stereo>yeah, filling up / would be an issue
19:11<UBES>Ho bisogno di aiuto
19:11<abrotman>!it
19:11<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
19:11<UBES>;)
19:12<abrotman>Stereo: think of it this way, www-data could write any file it wanted in that directory
19:12<abrotman>a binary, a symlink .. anything
19:12<Stereo>*anyone* could write any file they wanted in that directory
19:12<abrotman>yes .. but i'm saying that as a www-data thing .. but yes, anyone could write anything
19:13<Stereo>but all that directory contains is the php app's ini file, and a symlink to the cron.daily file
19:13<abrotman>for now ..
19:13<Stereo>the cron.daily script runs as root, but doesn't use anything from that directory
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19:26<Stereo>I really can't think of anything the user could do, although it does seem crazy dangerous
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19:34<abrotman>Stereo: which user?
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19:38<Stereo>the attacker writing to /etc/foo
19:39<Stereo>nothing except foo and the backup software is ever going to read that stuff, so they can't really put a bad conffile in there
19:39<Stereo>so it's run anything as www-data and DoS /etc by filling it up, it seems
19:39<abrotman>you can write *anything*
19:39<Stereo>you said they could drop in a binary, a symlink - I don't see how those are dangerous
19:40<Stereo>oh, you could write an executable binary, yes
19:40<Stereo>but on that server, you could also just drop that into /var/tmp or /tmp
19:40<abrotman>as the www-data user ?
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19:44<Stereo>I think so
19:44<Stereo>don't tempt me into trying :)
19:46<abrotman>Stereo: there's a ##security on irc.freenode.net .. they may be able to explain this more succintly
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20:31<utkesmer>hello, i'm running some servers and irc bots on my debian vps, i want to add them to autostart, if vps goes down and starts again i want them to start with it, how can i do it? i read some about crontab thing and also about /etc/init.d/skeleton script
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20:34<utkesmer>hello, i'm running some servers and irc bots on my debian vps, i want to add them to autostart, if vps goes down and starts again i want them to start with it, how can i do it? i read some about crontab thing and also about /etc/init.d/skeleton script
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20:36<abrotman>use cron and @reboot
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20:37<utkesmer>nvm
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20:47<xtoaster>hello, If i am on travell to US with my debian laptop set to CN locale, can I have the US local time without chaning my system locale to US ?
20:48<scientes>xtoaster, yes
20:48<scientes>xtoaster, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
20:49<scientes>xtoaster, realize that timezones in linux are just for display however, all files and other timestamps use unix time
20:49<scientes>which is similar to UTC
20:50<xtoaster>so that will change the display, need I set the timezone somewhere ?
20:50<scientes>no
20:51<abrotman>unix timestamps are similar to UTC how ?
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20:51<xtoaster>uh, then how does the system know i need US time for display ?
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20:51<scientes>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time
20:51<abrotman>wasn't what i asked ...
20:51<scientes>xtoaster, cause you configured that when you installed debian
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20:52<abrotman>xtoaster: what's your WM/DE ?
20:52*abrotman waits for scientes to explain
20:53<xtoaster>but I was supposed to travel cross timezones, i think i need to set timezone for display the local time(not china time)
20:53<scientes>abrotman, because there is no DST and it is not IAT
20:53<abrotman>scientes: try again
20:53<scientes>xtoaster, setting your timezone sets how times are displayed and when DST changes
20:54<xtoaster>ok. so where should I change the timezone for display ?
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20:54<abrotman>xtoaster: what's your WM/DE ?
20:54<scientes>dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
20:54<scientes>for systemwide^
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20:54<xtoaster>uh. xfce
20:54<abrotman>xtoaster: you can try this before you go .. just test it out
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20:55<xtoaster>ok. will try that back home :-) thanks you guys.
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20:55<abrotman>scientes: how are unix timestamps and UTC similar again ?
20:57<scientes>abrotman, in that both are adjusted to solar time, rather than atomic time
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20:57<lloyd>Hi there got a problem with a fresh install of squeeze
20:57*abrotman thinks someone is confused ...
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20:58<pparadis>scientes: what abrotman is saying is that unix epoch time is simply the number of seconds since 00:00:00 UTC 1970-01-01, but that's where any relationship with UTC ends. from the wikipedia page, "It is neither a linear representation of time nor a true representation of UTC." this is why things like Date::Manip exist, because time calculations broken out into things like days, months, and years is fraught with nutty issues.
20:58<pparadis>(it's worth noting that the very value of 0 zero UTC 1970 isn't concrete)
20:59<scientes>pparadis, yes i am aware POSIX doesn't require clocks to be synronized
20:59<abrotman>wow ...
20:59<abrotman>lloyd: have more details for us ?
20:59<lloyd>Most other distros seem to run smooth (EG moving a window isn't slow and laggy) but with debian it is horribly slow, the only way I have got around this before is to disable kernel mode setting but then X would always use something like a point 3 font
20:59<scientes>"Unix time cannot unambiguously represent UTC leap seconds (e.g. December 31, 1998 23:59:60), although otherwise the times it represents are UTC."
20:59<scientes>its largely UTC, not IAT
21:00<scientes>and is based on UTC
21:00<lloyd>resizing windows takes maybe a second or 2
21:00<scientes>therefore "similar"
21:00<lloyd>its really noticeable
21:00<abrotman>lloyd: what is your video card
21:00<scientes>lloyd, lspci | grep VGA
21:00<lloyd>hang on
21:00<abrotman>scientes: that's not really helpful, or shows that they're similar
21:01<lloyd>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
21:01<pparadis>scientes: unix time truly has _no_ concept of leap anything, and the above statement is logically inconsistent at its core. but really, this is offtopic anyhow, so let's get back to debian support.
21:01<scientes>pparadis, "that's where any relationship with UTC ends." --this isn't true
21:01<scientes>unix time is suppose to stop for one second when there is a UTC leap second
21:01<abrotman>scientes: you're wrong, end of discussion
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21:02<abrotman>lloyd: there isn't any firmware for the box is there?
21:02<lloyd>Not as far as im aware
21:02<lloyd>its quite a common intergrated graphics chip, apparently
21:02<abrotman>lloyd: any errors in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages ?
21:02<abrotman>uh .. messages.log
21:02<lloyd>what would I be looking for? X problems?
21:04<abrotman>any problems
21:04<lloyd>theres hundreds but they are from things like APT and "GTK window not in bounds"
21:05<lloyd>oh and errors from the bluetooth, even though I dont have any bluetooth hardware
21:06<lloyd>and I dont see a file called /var/messages.log
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21:06<abrotman>/var/log/
21:06<scientes>/var/log/messages
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21:07<lloyd>No theres no errors
21:07<abrotman>lloyd: are you sure it's using the intel driver? looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
21:07<lloyd>ill check
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21:09<lloyd>Its a long log, where abouts would it say which driver its using?
21:09<scientes>lsmod
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21:10<lloyd>im not familiar with that command
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21:11<lloyd>all I see relating to it in lsmod is: i915 223022 2
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21:14<sney>Xorg.0.log will tell you what driver it's using in the bottom 25% or so of the log, you'll see a lot of lines from one driver, e.g. [radeon] mode setting blah blah blah
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21:15<lloyd>(II) intel(0): EDID vendor "___", prod id 257
21:15<lloyd>(II) intel(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
21:15<lloyd>(II) intel(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
21:15<lloyd>(II) intel(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
21:15-!-lloyd was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
21:15<sney>:|
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21:15<abrotman>lloyd: please use paste.debian.net
21:15<lloyd>(II) intel(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
21:15<lloyd>(II) intel(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
21:15<lloyd>(II) intel(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
21:15<lloyd>(II) intel(0): Modeline "1360x768"x0.0 86.00 1360 1424 1536 1792 768 771 777 795 +hsync +vsync (48.0 kHz)
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21:16<abrotman>oh dear
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21:16<lloyd>hmm
21:16<lloyd>well basically
21:16<abrotman>lloyd: please use paste.debian.net
21:16<lloyd>I see:
21:16<abrotman>don't do it!
21:16<lloyd>(II) intel(0): Modelin
21:16<lloyd>etc etc
21:16*abrotman pats debhelper
21:16<nevyn>wheee.
21:16<lloyd>all saying intel
21:16<abrotman>lloyd: use paste.debian.net
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21:16<abrotman>but sounds like it's using the intel driver as it should be
21:16<nevyn>paste the whole thing there and then the url here.
21:16<lloyd>I will if I need to paste again
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21:17<dvs>never heard of that distro
21:18<lloyd>well its not doing something right, other distros run fine and if I disable kernel mode setting then debian runs fine but then I get a smaller resolution and font that is too small
21:18<lloyd>dvs: it's not a distro
21:19<lloyd>small as in a couple of pixels tall
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21:21<lloyd>I dont know what to try next
21:23<abrotman>what's your WM ?
21:23<lloyd>Default one
21:23<lloyd>Gnome 2.x
21:24<abrotman>did you try to alter the font with its settings ?
21:26<lloyd>I dont know which settings, I must have gone through a few different files then it turns out my system dosent even have xorg.conf
21:26<abrotman>that's normal .. but Gnome has preferences
21:27<lloyd>I couldnt change any settings in any DE as the font was so small it was literally a couple of pixels
21:28<lloyd>so I couldnt see what I was clicking
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21:32<lloyd>What are the other distros doing to stop X.org from being "slow"?
21:32<abrotman>lloyd: you could try the backports.debian.org kernel and/or xorg
21:33<lloyd>wouldnt an older kernel/xorg be less likely to have a fix?
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21:39<abrotman>lloyd: they're newer
21:40<scientes>well wayland is the long term goal
21:41<lloyd>yes ive read about wayland, it sounds like a miracle if they can pull it off
21:41<scientes>lloyd, it would probably run like other distros if you upgraded your kernel to the 3.2 backport kenel
21:41<lloyd>how do I do that?
21:41<scientes>thats probably the diff, rhel6 would probably be as bad, as it runs largely the same ancient kernel
21:41<scientes>!backports
21:41<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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21:42<lloyd>isnt debian 6 based on testing anyway, so wouldnt it have the newer kernel?
21:42<scientes>testing from a long time ago
21:42<scientes>we are preparing for release of debian 7
21:42<lloyd>ok I'll try backports
21:43<lloyd>but will it be added to the grub menu automatically?
21:43<scientes>yes
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21:43<lloyd>I hate the syntax of grub 2 its so complicated and I have never managed to manually add a kernel to it
21:43<lloyd>ah ok
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21:46<scientes>lloyd, if you are compiling your own you can just make deb-pkg to get a deb that will do these things for you
21:46<lloyd>I ran apt-get update after I added the backport rep. and I got a window saying "package operation failed"
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21:47<abrotman>lloyd: please use aptitude or apt-get , not synaptic
21:47<lloyd>Oh wait I had apt open elsewhere
21:48<lloyd>apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package"
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21:48<lloyd>is what it says on the debian page
21:48<lloyd>what is the package name of the kernel?
21:48<pparadis>lloyd: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports
21:48<abrotman>lloyd: what is your ucrrent uname -r ?
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21:48<lloyd>2.6.32-5-686
21:49<pparadis>bam --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-2.6-686
21:49<abrotman>lloyd: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-686
21:49<pparadis>(which will give you 3.2)
21:50<lloyd>Ok thanks it's downloading now
21:50<lloyd>scientes: Do you have a link about using deb-pkg?
21:52<pparadis>lloyd: do you mean dpkg-deb ?
21:52<lloyd>Im not sure, scientes mentioned using it for getting grub to be automatically be updated when you compile a new kernel
21:52<lloyd>ok it has downloaded the image
21:53<pparadis>lloyd: downloaded, or installing?
21:53<pparadis>it should be installing (or have just installed) the new kernel.
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21:54<lloyd> NEW packages will be installed:
21:54<lloyd> linux-image-3.2.0-0.bp
21:54<lloyd>etc
21:54<lloyd>is the output I got
21:54<pparadis>you need to tell it yes.
21:54<lloyd>oh I have
21:54<hkb>Hi everyone
21:54<lloyd>back at a prompt now
21:54<pparadis>okay, it's installed then. when you reboot you'll boot into the 3.2 kernel.
21:55<lloyd>OK thanks! I'll try that and hope and pray it fixes this ha ha
21:55<lloyd>I will join again when it reboots
21:55<hkb>Does anyone know why the current version of wheezy does not boot on a sabertooth 990FX.
21:56<pparadis>hkb: what does it do instead of booting?
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21:56<hkb>It hangs after the 4 or 5th message ... Just after it complains about the SP5100
21:57<hkb>But I think I ruled out this complaint as the actual problem ... I think it is what comes next
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21:58<lloyd>back
21:58<hkb>I have the system in front of me so I can try different stuff. It boots under knoppix
21:58<lloyd>uname -r still says 2.6
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22:00<lloyd>How do I add the 3.x kernel to grub?
22:00<abrotman>lloyd: did you install the kernel ?
22:01<lloyd>yep
22:01<lloyd>I did apt-get etc
22:01<abrotman>lloyd: dpkg -l linux-imgae-3.*
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22:02<lloyd>dpkg -l linux-image-686
22:02<dpkg>ii linux-image-686 3.3-1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
22:02<lloyd>No packages found matching linux-image-686.
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22:03<abrotman>lloyd: what?
22:03<lloyd>thats what I get when I type the dpkg command
22:03<lloyd>no packages found
22:03<abrotman>lloyd: aptitude update; aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-686
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22:03<lloyd>I already did that but i will do it again
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22:04<lloyd>done
22:05<lloyd>I tried: dpkg -l linux-imgae-3.*
22:05<lloyd>No packages found matching linux-imgae-3.*.
22:05<lloyd>oh wait
22:05<lloyd>type
22:05<abrotman>lloyd: spell image corrrectly since i didn't :)
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22:05<lloyd>dpkg -l linux-image-3.*
22:05<dpkg>ii linux-image-3.* 2.5-3.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
22:05<lloyd>No packages found matching linux-image-3.*.
22:06<abrotman>lloyd: and you added the backports.debian.org source to your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
22:06<lloyd>yep
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22:06<abrotman>can you put that file in a pastebin ?
22:06<lloyd>pastebin.com?
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22:07<abrotman>that'll be fine
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22:08<lloyd>http://pastebin.com/dkktrWWG
22:09*abrotman looks
22:09<abrotman>and when you do the 'aptitude update', no errors ?
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22:09<lloyd>it dosent show any
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22:10<abrotman>lloyd: and if you 'dpkg -l linux-image-686' .. it's 3.2xxxxxxxxxx ?
22:10<lloyd># dpkg -l linux-image-686
22:10<lloyd>No packages found matching linux-image-686.
22:11<abrotman>can you pastebin the prompt/command/output of "aptitude update;apt-cache policy linux-image-686;aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-686" ?
22:11<lloyd>ok
22:12<lloyd>can I copy paste that as one command into the terminal?
22:12<abrotman>yes
22:12<lloyd>neat
22:12<abrotman>everything inside the quotes
22:12<lloyd>ok doing it
22:13<lloyd>I cant as I get some kind of README about disk controller arrays, and I cant remember how to redirect output
22:13<lloyd>its > right?
22:13<lloyd>oh wait dm got it
22:13<lloyd>copying now
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22:17<lloyd>http://pastebin.com/pfXcXenb
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22:20<abrotman>lookking
22:20<abrotman>wait, why is it not installing anything ?
22:21<abrotman>lloyd: dpkg --configure -a
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22:22<lloyd>it said setting up for a few things
22:22<lloyd>kernel wasnt mentioned
22:22<serketry>Hey. I just reinstalled Linux earlier today and I'm having trouble getting any sound to work. I'm new to linux over all, really. I've only ever used Windows but I'm trying to switch over. learning and whatnot. I have the SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) built in sound card. I've been looking up some fixes and found alsa version was 1.0.23 and kernel 2.6.32 but I'm not sure where to go from there.
22:23<sney_>serketry: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA
22:23<abrotman>lloyd: right, but those all have to be estup before it will install that kernel
22:23<lloyd>reconfigre again?
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22:24<abrotman>lloyd: are there any left to configure? any errors?
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22:25<lloyd>I dont know how to tell if theres any left
22:25<lloyd>shall i run that command again?
22:25<abrotman>lloyd: yes, please
22:26<lloyd># dpkg --configure -a
22:26<lloyd>root@lja-linux:/home/lloyd#
22:26<abrotman>good
22:26<lloyd>ok
22:26<lloyd>what next?
22:26<abrotman>did it download anything ?
22:26<abrotman>or install anything?
22:26<lloyd>no
22:26<abrotman>wtf ..
22:27<abrotman>pastebin the whole thing again
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22:28<lloyd>http://pastebin.com/NVyVHzJQ
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22:29<abrotman>i think tht's old ..
22:30<lloyd>i did it just now
22:30<abrotman>lloyd: pastebin "dpkg --configure -a; aptitude full-upgrade;aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-686"
22:31<lloyd>http://pastebin.com/XvDs5t9j
22:32<lloyd>the last bit is cut off cos of the damn README that pops up in vi
22:32<hkb>With respect to my earlier posting .. I have been looking at the logs more closely ... It may be Nvidia drivers
22:33<abrotman>lloyd: did it install anything this time ?
22:33<lloyd>no
22:33<abrotman>you're going to have to paste the whole thing ..
22:33<lloyd>i installed the new kernel it just never updated grub menu
22:33<abrotman>use the 'script' command
22:34<abrotman>does "dpkg -l linux-image-3*" still come back empty ?
22:36<lloyd>with a dot or not?
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22:37<lloyd>Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
22:37<lloyd>| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
22:37<lloyd>|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
22:37<lloyd>||/ Name Version Description
22:37<lloyd>+++-==============-==============-============================================
22:37-!-lloyd was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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22:37<abrotman>lloyd: you really can't paste here
22:37<lloyd>did you get that before the kick?
22:37<abrotman>with or without the dot, doesn't matter, i only need the last line
22:37<lloyd>iU linux-image-3. 3.2.20-1~bpo60 Linux 3.2 for modern PCs
22:38<abrotman>lloyd: run 'update-grub' .. then reboot
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22:38<lloyd>says it found 3.2
22:39<lloyd>ill reboot see if it still takes 20 years to scroll a window
22:39<abrotman>lloyd: and if you run 'dpkg --configure -a' .. it doesn't say anything ?
22:39<lloyd>databases are locked
22:39<lloyd>and yes ive closed every apt
22:39<lloyd>something must have broke
22:40<lloyd>reboot?
22:40<abrotman>while it's broken? probably not
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22:40<lloyd>:/
22:41<abrotman>is there another program running ?
22:41<lloyd>no
22:41<lloyd>ill reboot
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22:44*abrotman feels uneasy about that
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22:47<abrotman>you live?!
22:47<lloyd>back
22:48<abrotman>better? worse? nothing changed?
22:48<lloyd>booting 3.2 gave me kernel panics
22:48<abrotman>awesome
22:48<lloyd>kb light flash
22:48<lloyd>used 2.6
22:48<lloyd>ran dkpg
22:48<abrotman>and?
22:48<lloyd>got a kernel config thing
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22:49<abrotman>that might have been important
22:49<lloyd>now its saying that it wont include the firmware for my network cards
22:49<lloyd>if i update
22:49<abrotman>do you need those?
22:49<abrotman>you can install those
22:49<lloyd>how bloody helpful
22:49<lloyd>yes
22:49<lloyd>i need it
22:49<lloyd>its how im online now
22:49<abrotman>it told you which files .. did you write them down ?
22:49<lloyd>e100: e100/d102e_ucode.bin,
22:50<lloyd>e100: e100/d102e_ucode.bin,
22:50<lloyd>lots like that
22:50<abrotman>okay ..
22:50<lloyd>e100/d101m_ucode.bin
22:50<lloyd> │ r8169: rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw,
22:50<lloyd>I have 2 cards
22:50<abrotman>aptitude -t squeeze-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree:
22:51<abrotman>without the colon
22:51<lloyd>since when does linux require me to have to manually find firmware for pretty old cards?!
22:51<lloyd>ok
22:51<abrotman>debian doesn't include firmware
22:52<lloyd>its locked cos dpkg still open with the firmware thing
22:52<lloyd>well thats helpful of them...
22:52<abrotman>!dfsg
22:52<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
22:52<abrotman>if you want to know why ...
22:53<lloyd>but intel release docs for their hardware surely the firmware is open source
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22:53<lloyd>anyway, i darent close dpkg i might loose my network
22:53<abrotman>you won't
22:54<abrotman>it's triyn gto configure the kernel you aren't running
22:54<lloyd>good/bad?
22:55<lloyd>i selected ok it says its configured kernels etc
22:55<abrotman>right ..
22:56<abrotman>aptitude -t squeeze-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-realtek
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22:56<lloyd>ok done
22:57<lloyd>what about the other card?
22:57<abrotman>that's the realtek package i stated three lines above
22:57<lloyd>I mean the intel card
22:57<lloyd>i have 2 cards
22:57<abrotman>aptitude -t squeeze-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-realtek
22:58<abrotman>the first is for the intel, second for the realtek
22:58<lloyd>oh, dont they have a firmware-intel?
22:58<lloyd>confusing
22:58<abrotman>agreed
22:59<lloyd>shall i try again?
22:59<abrotman>not sure why some get their own and others don't .. perhaps depends on how common the hardware is
22:59<abrotman>i suppose .. i'm skeptical .. but sure!
22:59<lloyd>it will probably panic again
22:59<abrotman>and i'm not awake much longer
22:59<lloyd>same
22:59<lloyd>may have to moan on the forums :(
22:59<abrotman>if you want, have someone help you go to the xorg in backports
22:59<abrotman>that'd have been my next step
23:00<lloyd>if i dont come back ive given up, gone to bed, and will be forum posting it
23:00<lloyd>ah ok thanks
23:00<abrotman>ok
23:00<lloyd>well thanks for your help !
23:00<abrotman>so the basic part would be : aptitude -t squeeze-backports install xorg
23:00<abrotman>good luck
23:00<lloyd>thanks
23:00<lloyd>ill need it
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23:03<lloyd>well installing network firmware has stopped 3.2 kernel panic about file systems :S
23:04<lloyd>but still slow X
23:05<lloyd>x backport: The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
23:05<lloyd> Remove the following packages:
23:05<lloyd>1) xserver-xorg-video-all
23:05<lloyd>im not removing "all video" sounds bad
23:05<lloyd>ill try tommorow
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23:45<hkb>Does anyone know if using a 3Tera Byte drive will cause a problem on Wheezy?
23:46<unknown_lamer>shouldn't, but your bios might not let you boot past the 2TB mark or something ;)
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23:47<hkb>I am having a problem after the boot starts but when it is checking out the ata drives ... It seems to lock
23:47<hkb>I am booting off the 3terabyte drive
23:48<hkb>Does anyone know if Wheezy is having problems with the ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX
23:50<pparadis>hkb: i believe you asked this before, and i asked for more information. please provide as much information as possible regarding exactly what you're seeing instead of it working. also, i noted that you PMed me earlier; please keep questions here, where the discussion can benefit everyone.
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23:53<hkb>Today I downloaded the DVD #1 iso and intalled the Wheezy. I installed from a the default mirror. There were no problems.
23:53<hkb>I went into grub and eliminated the quiet entry so I could see more of the boot process.
23:54<hkb>When it gets to around the ATA section it hangs.
23:56<hkb>The last boot ... The last line printed was an entry dealing with the 3Tera byte drive
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23:57<hkb>pparadis ... What more information should I try to provide
23:58<hkb>Would the numeric value next to the last line help ID the entry?
23:58<pparadis>hkb: it worked perfectly until you removed the quiet flag?
23:59<hkb>Before I removed the quiet entry it would only show 4 lines and then hang. Once quiet was removed it showed more of what was going on.
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