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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-08-16

---Logopened Thu Aug 16 00:00:25 2012
00:01<gsimmons>sney: (re aircrack-ng freeze exception) The maintainer did submit one, but it was rejected (#682005).
00:02<exe>gsimmons: why :S?
00:03<sney>exe: see that 6-digit number at the end of what gsimmons said? go to http://bugs.debian.org/thatnumber => http://bugs.debian.org/682005
00:03<exe>yeah i just read it, just trying to be chatty
00:03<exe>geez
00:05<sney>I'm not sure if it's a candidate for backports
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00:06<exe>i just installed it on wheezy, it works, at least the important binaries
00:06<exe>dont think there is need to backportit
00:06<sney>not right now, maybe. but when wheezy becomes stable, and sid charges on ahead, that will change
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00:18<exe>welp, bye guys
00:18<exe>gotta get some sleep
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01:25<lolo>hello everybody
01:25<lolo>in Russia aldready morning
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03:35<efjeybi>fuck Justin Bieber
03:35<efjeybi>Justin Bieber is a piece of shit
03:35<efjeybi>Justin Bieber is a faggot
03:35<efjeybi>Justin Bieber is an animal
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03:39<ibrah>efjeybi whoa!
03:40<ibrah>are you sure you have the right chatroom
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03:40<cardamon>What's a boot splash?
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03:47<heikkila>cardamon, some kind of image that shows while booting, sometimes with a progress bar
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04:03<raii>Any chance someone here might be willing to (try) to help me with a problem with apt/dpkg?
04:03<devil>raii: just ask
04:04<raii>Basically I messed up my package manager a ton by changing /etc/apt/sources.list to the wrong file by accident, and now a lot of things are broken. I want to 'undo' everything I've done.
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04:08<raii>I'm thinking I'll probably have to reinstall /shrug
04:08<themill>raii: if you pastebin something concrete about how it's all broken and tell us what actually happened, you'll be more likely to get answers ... :)
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04:10<raii>themill: I accidentally copied a sources.list from ubuntu to my Debian install, then updated/upgraded. At this point I recieve errors for a lot of things
04:11<themill>so package installation has started? can you pastebin the output?
04:11<themill>dpkg: tell raii about paste
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04:18<raii>themill: Yeah what would you like output from? I'm not running anything currently
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04:19<themill>raii: well, you said that there were lots of errors... the whole output from that apt session would be good to see
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04:23<raii>I get this trying to upgrade or dist-upgrade http://paste.debian.net/183836/
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04:24<themill>raii: what release of debian were you running? squeeze?
04:25<themill>that looks like the problem is the other way around -- you've got debian sources.list on an ubuntu machine.
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04:26<raii>Nah I promise it's a Debian install. Debian 6.0.5 i686 i686 Linux 2.6.32-5-686
04:27<devil>raii: Preparing to replace plymouth 0.8.2-2ubuntu2.2 (using .../plymouth_0.8.3-9.1_i386.deb) says something else
04:27<themill>hmm... apt would not have downgraded from squeeze to ubuntu's plymouth
04:27<devil>or did you install the ubuntu version and then remove the sources.list entry?
04:28<raii>Ahh should I change the list back and then try to remove everything?
04:28<devil>and this paste is from 2nd try?
04:28<devil>raii: show: apt-cache policy please
04:28<devil>in pastebin
04:29<themill>devil: N: Unable to locate package please
04:29<devil>:)
04:29<devil>i am too polite :)
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04:29<raii>http://paste.debian.net/183839/
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04:30<devil>hm, no ubuntu there
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04:30<themill>!not available
04:30<dpkg>To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
04:30<themill>raii: ^^ can you pastebin the output of that long aptitude command for us?
04:32<raii>http://paste.debian.net/183843/
04:32<themill>devil: there's no libplymouth* in debian at all, so the upgrade could have pulled that in as a new package
04:32<devil>oh, I see. I never messed with plymouth.
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04:33<themill>devil: I had to ask judd about it :)
04:33<devil>If I would want my boot messages obfuscated, i would use windows :P
04:34<devil>so the question is, where does the ubuntu package come from? it must've been manualy installed
04:34<heikkila>They flicker past so fast it's impossible to read anyway
04:35<devil>heikkila: with SSD yes
04:35<themill>devil: no, he had ubuntu in his sources.list for a while
04:35<raii>My sources.list was copied from an ubuntu installation by accident, then I did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade. Now I have my sources.list fixed.
04:35<devil>themill: ah, so you try to find packages installed by that with that aptitude command
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04:36<devil>aptitude has its virtues, i must say
04:36<themill>raii: ok, that doesn't look too bad, actually. "mountall" is the only one that makes me nervous.... for the others, I'd consider "dpkg -r --force-depends libplymouth2 plymouth plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text acp mysql-client-core-5.1; apt-get -f install"
04:36<themill>devil: yeah, that's a limited enough set of packages you can imagine reverting that mess-up rather than just reinstalling it
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04:37<devil>yup, should be feasable
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04:40*devil stashes that aptitude line
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04:46<raii>That command seems to have fixed things.
04:47<themill>raii: you need to sort out the makedev and mountall packages too. makedev you can just downgrade to squeeze's version with "aptitude install makedev=2.3.1-89"; mountall isn't in squeeze at all... I assume it's safe to remove it but I haven't the first clue what it does or what it might have done on your machine
04:48<themill>devil: ugliest looking command you're likely to see...
04:48<devil>yeah, but it works ™
04:48<themill>you don't want to know how long it too me to come up with that command
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04:49<devil>i wonder what it would take for apt to do that.
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04:50<raii>Hah; saved me a ton of time so thanks a ton for the helpfulness
04:50<devil>i will have to learn some aptitude foo to be able to use the best of both worlds
04:50<themill>dpkg: tell devil about aptitude fu
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04:50<themill>raii: no worries. Have fun!
04:51<devil>themill: thxx, will read my way through these as for a start
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05:12<movl>yeah, almost forgot: Happy Birthday, Debian!
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05:14<flant>hi2all
05:14<flant>discuss about something?
05:15<flant>okay (
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05:24<devil>flant: you maybe want #debian-offtopic
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05:25<flant>now, a thoght, maybe can i can help somebody in technical questions
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05:35<bluenemo>hi guys, i have problems with my server (i think) 'leaking' kernel threads or something. in htop, all cpu's are about 1-5% green and the rest is completely red. the machine is slower than it should be.
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05:36<movl>leaking threads?
05:36<movl>o.@
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05:38<bluenemo>idk man, i have never seen any other system on which htop showed basicly only red for cpu
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05:39<Apollo>bluenemo: screenshots if possible?
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05:40<bluenemo>hm thats bad right now, no graphical system... htop is a very small programm (imho better than top) if you launch it you'll see the cpu bar showing in green and red
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05:42<Apollo>bluenemo: I'm aware of what htop looks like
05:42<Apollo>I just want to confirm what you're seeing, and maybe get to see the process list so I can help
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05:46<bluenemo>sry cant provide that :/ in top i see that around 15% of cpu is used (as top doesnt shows the red stuff, described to be the cpu used by the kernel somewhere). whats running is a lot of ruby apps, basicly nothing else (besides nginx and some small stuff)
05:48<Apollo>are you running top and htop as root?
05:48<bluenemo>yes
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05:48<bluenemo>brb we have scrum meeting now m)
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05:50<bluenemo>ok
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06:21<bluenemo>Apollo, i found the problem. turns out that rails is consuming senseless much cpu. i started an empty rails app and it consumed 33% of one cpu (we've got 8). i started 3 servers for each rails app for load balancing with nginx. thank you for your help anyway Apollo :)
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06:36<SectorX8>Hello there people!
06:36<tweek>hi. i am just trying out the beta of the wheezy installer, and i have 2 questions: 1) where's the difference to the squeeze installer? not complaining, but since there was an announcement and call for testing, i assumed they had redone the installer, but everything so far is exactly the same. 2) i chose an alternate desktop environment at the beginning, now i'm stuck on the tasksel dialog, where 'debian desktop environment' is unchecked
06:36<movl>tweek: you know what assuming does :)
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06:37<SectorX8>I want to get membership in the security team... Who to ask for contribution?
06:37<tweek>movl: um, no?
06:37<babilen>tweek: Plenty of differences, but the installer has not been completely reworked. You can, for example, connect to wireless networks that are encrypted with WPA/WPA2/.... But that is just one change, there are many others. What do you mean by "stuck" ?
06:38<tweek>babilen: ah, ok. by 'stuck', i mean i don't know whether i should check 'debian desktop environment' or not, because i don't know if that means gnome or xfce (which i choose at boot)
06:38<SectorX8>The security channel is dead... Anybody in this channel that has membership there?
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06:40<tweek>babilen: the fact that it's not checked right now makes me suspect that it stands for gnome, but xfce is already chosen but not visible in the dialog. but i'm only guessing.
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06:40<babilen>tweek: if you chode xfce you should tick "Desktop Environment" and it *should* install XFCE. Apart from that you can always install XFCE later or use the LXDE/XFCE install CD.
06:40<babilen>!install xfce
06:40<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install".
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06:42<ksdjvb>Debian AMD64 - multi arch (enable i386) when installing skype getting an a QT installation error : http://pastebin.com/A78AREBU
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06:45<babilen>ksdjvb: That bug has been reported (check on http://bugs.debian.org ) and you can fix it merely by removing the offending file. You might also be interested in #debian-next which is our support channel for wheezy/sid specific problems (such as this)
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06:46<ksdjvb>thank you babilen , I wish to push it so there would be a derv in the package installation
06:46<babilen>Also: "/msg dpkg pastebin.com" -- pastebin.com is a horrible site and I would be quite happy if people would just stop using it.
06:47<ksdjvb>babilen, also a nice dev told they know that the multiarch are broken and a new upload will be done
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06:49<babilen>ksdjvb: yeah, some of these problems (like this QT4* one) have already been reported and will be fixed eventually.
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08:47<dastar>hi
08:47<Apollo>hello dastar how can we help?
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08:47<dastar>i am searching the complet list of variable for pressed.cfg for wheezy
08:48<Apollo>!s wheezy
08:48<Apollo>dpkg: wheezy
08:48<dpkg>The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org.
08:48<Apollo>dastar: #debian-next will be better suited to your needs
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08:49<dastar>thanks
08:49<Apollo>dastar: which application is this pressed.cfg for anyway?
08:49<dastar>installation
08:49<Apollo>ehm, ok
08:49<Apollo>but #debian-next will be better suited to your needs
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09:16<KeepXtreme>hi, can somebody help me with samba as PDC for windows7? I'm just grwoing desperet...
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09:17<KeepXtreme>My problem is, that w7 can log into the Domain , downloads the Default PRofile and also creates an username.V2 folder but windows is just shwoing a warning ("you have been logged in with a temporary profile"
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09:20<KeepXtreme>my smb.conf could be found at http://pastebin.com/Uq2RVj6g
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09:31<KeepXtreme>anybody?
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09:50<Rox64>I just came here to say "Happy birthday!"
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09:50<Rox64>Can't wait for the 20th anniversary :)
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09:51<Calinou>I just came here to say "spam"
09:51<Calinou>same thing
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09:53<coreyb>anyone know how to change back to nautilus while using lxde?
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10:28<aldea>Buenos dias, me gustaria que me ayudaran a instalar un recuperador de archivos borrados en el disco duro por este canal , por favor, alguien disponible
10:30<movl>!es
10:30<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:31<Zipl0ck>All of a sudden I realized that my mysql server was not running. Something/Someone shut it down. I had to start it. I went to check the logs and they are clear. Is there any way I can determine what happened?
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10:32<movl>Zipl0ck: what logs did you check?
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10:34<hgdcjq>Hello
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10:38<Zipl0ck>movl, I checked /var/log/mysql.err and /var/log/mysql.log
10:39<movl>check /var/log/messages
10:39<movl>because if mysql died because of a crash, likely it didn't have time to write to its logs
10:40<Zipl0ck>movl, I see, is there a way to find out why it crashed?
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10:41<movl>check messages first
10:41<Zipl0ck>movl, nothing there
10:41<movl>sure?
10:41<Zipl0ck>just MARK and syslogd restart
10:42<Zipl0ck>lots of -- MARK -- messages and ocasional syslogd restart
10:42<Zipl0ck>looks like syslogd daily restart, rest is just MARK
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10:43<blast007>Zipl0ck: the log is probably rotated, so check the rotated logs
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10:44<Zipl0ck>it contains Aug 16, 15, 14 and I know mysql was running on Aug 15
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10:46<Zipl0ck>Is there a way to get notified of mysql crashing (if that's what happened) in future so I can restart it?
10:47<Zipl0ck>movl,
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10:49<movl>Zipl0ck: try to increase the logging level
10:50<Zipl0ck>movl, ok. thanks
10:50<movl>no probs
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11:06<flowbee>Any trick to getting NBD server and client to work on the same machine without the lockups?
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11:08<babilen>flowbee: Could you be less vague? I assume that you are talking about http://nbd.sourceforge.net/ and would like to quote that page: "Please note that read-write nbd with client and server on the same machine is a bad idea: expect deadlock within seconds …" -- Is this what you are referring to?
11:08<Alukardd>And here I am) 3 days later... Happy Birthday, Debian!)
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11:09<babilen>Alukardd: yay! /me hands you, Debian and everyone else a glass of champagan
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11:10<flowbee>babilen: yes, I'm trying to write a translator, for lack of beter words, between a file on the system and a block device
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11:11<kop>Zallright. I need to partition a 3TB drive, and put a teensy partition on it and put the rest in an lvm partition. I'm thinking a gpt partition label, because of the size, and to me this means (g)parted, which I find a PITA. Anybody with a better suggestion?
11:11<flowbee>in userspace, a device driver would work but I'd prefer if kernel modules didn't have to be compiled for people to use it
11:11<binarytemple>anyone know anything about getting kernel debug symbols installed
11:11<binarytemple>?
11:11<kop>flowbee: There's always fuse.
11:12<binarytemple>on ubuntu the magic is sudo apt-get install linux-image-$(uname -r)-dbgsym
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11:12<Alukardd>People, I see somewhere that Debian maybe change release period, but can't find it now. Maybe I see it in sleep?)
11:12<binarytemple>but there is no Debian equivalent?
11:12<binarytemple>seems debug symbols are packaged differently on this platform
11:12<kop>binarytemple: Have you tried "aptitude search linux-image" and see what your choices are?
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11:13<babilen>binarytemple: You are looking for -dbg and not -dbgsym -- "aptitude search '~n^linux-image'"
11:13<kop>Alukardd: There is no release period. Just when ready. Wheezy was frozen relatively recently.
11:13<binarytemple>thanks, just installing now
11:14<flowbee>kop: fuse would just be for file systems though, right?
11:14<binarytemple>it borked on wheezy, this box is more squeeze, will report back
11:14<binarytemple>systemtap rules !
11:14<Alukardd>kop: I'm not correct in my speech...
11:15<kop>flowbee: I'm not really up on it, sorry. Filesystems do have to have some backing storage. I always figured they were on devices....
11:15<Alukardd>kop: I wanted to say "support time"... Now it's about 3years - about 2 between releases and plus one after next release I can get a security fix to oldstable.
11:16<kop>Alukardd: As far as I know, it's 1 year of support for oldstable. Starting whenever the new stable is released.
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11:17<Alukardd>kop: I say it))) But will be good if support time will be greater...
11:18<kop>Alukardd: Yes. But that takes people....
11:18<binarytemple>hmm did the install (kernel dbg syms) but still get error when starting systemtap script of Checking "/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/build/.config" failed with error: No such file or directory
11:19<binarytemple>do I need to install some other dark magics?
11:20<binarytemple>try installing kernel headers now
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11:21<binarytemple>tried sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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11:21<binarytemple>but the same error I had last week (this box uses testing repo) ..... linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 : Depends: gcc-4.3 but it is not going to be installed
11:23<binarytemple>if I proffer - sudo apt-get upgrade - it says it wants to upgrade to gcc 4.6 ... I feel fear now.. 2 days left in this job... will i upgrade the system to full-wheezy or just play a game of teeworlds?
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12:22<joseph-soares>how to add an image to grub using update-alternatives
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12:24<wargreen>hi world !
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12:25<ayaka>I know I should use sdparm instead hdparm, but how to look how many time I have turn on the hard disk
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12:26<wargreen>I heve a little prob : after i launch sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386, sudo dpkg --print-architecture send me only amd64....
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12:27<wargreen>anyone have already seen this ?
12:27<themill>dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
12:27<dpkg>no idea, themill
12:27<themill>dpkg, shush
12:27<dpkg>Fine, I'll shut up.
12:28<wargreen>humhum ! sudo dpkg --print-foreign-architectures i386
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12:28<wargreen>okayyyy
12:29<wargreen>but i can't install *:i386
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12:33<wargreen>i alway get error when i try install ia32-libs-gtk...
12:33<wargreen>multiarch isnt realy op ?
12:34<waffleking>and do you say "Thank you" when you receive your error?
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12:34<wargreen>yes, and i like this !
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12:35<wargreen>... and i like my english, realy bad !
12:35<wargreen>(joke)
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12:39<joseph-soares>I've configured my system to show splashboot. I installed plymouth*. It works well when system is starting up. But turning off, it show text only. Why?
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12:41<ayaka>thanks all the same
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12:43<joseph-soares>so
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12:44<snakegnu>help
12:44<retrospectacus>!ask
12:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:45<snakegnu>bug net getlocalsid
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12:49<edix92>Hi
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12:50<bartm>I try to compile a hello.c using xmlStrdup from libxml2 with mingw on Debian amd64, but I get "undefined reference to `_xmlStrdup'". Ideas ? Makefile and hello.c are here: http://people.debian.org/~bartm/mingw/
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12:57<HurriCane_Polimar>sera
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13:02<bartm>looks like everyone is busy fixing rc bugs :)
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14:49<knoppix_>hello :3
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14:49<Guest3193>hi :3
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14:50<Guest3193>debhelperz X3
14:50<Guest3193>letz all talk about minecraft
14:50<Guest3193>Greg
14:51<Guest3193>hey greg
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14:51<Guest3193>schlawine
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14:51<Guest3193>away
14:52<Guest3193>a w a y
14:52<Guest3193>>:(
14:52<sney_>Guest3193: this is a support channel, do you have a debian question
14:52<Guest3193>oh i thout tis was just random chat srry
14:53<sney_>if you want random try /join #moocows
14:53<Guest3193>ok thnx bye
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14:54<Guest3192>WHO -CHOPS
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15:08<metal>Happy birthday Debian! http://thanks.debian.net/
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15:20<haker>list
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15:21<haker>lucio dalla
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15:47<PorkSoda>Hello all
15:47<PorkSoda>I dont know if this is the best place to ask, but
15:48<PorkSoda>I have been trying to make a liveusb to install debian or debian based distros on my netbook
15:48<PorkSoda>I have tried unetbootin but it fails
15:49<PorkSoda>Can anyone recommend a functional creator that runs on windows?
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15:51<sney_>PorkSoda: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer works for the installer but I don't know any method offhand to have multiple installers on the same usb key
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15:51<PorkSoda>as long as it will allow me to install debian I am happy
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15:53<PorkSoda>using unetbootin, the result is it goes thru the launch process (as if you were launching from a cd) then throws the code "cannot find tty" or something to that effect and drops to ash
15:53<PorkSoda>its the same result whether its vanilla debian or a debian based distro
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15:55<PorkSoda>the most recent one I tried was Kanotix Hellfire Mini
15:55<PorkSoda>with the same result
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16:03<PorkSoda>well, so far so good...
16:04<devil>PorkSoda: forget unetbootin
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16:04<PorkSoda>as I suspected tho, I can no longer use the usb stick for anything else lol
16:04<devil>won't work with debian/d-derivatives mostly
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16:04<PorkSoda>I noticed, believe me....
16:05<devil>PorkSoda: you can use dd to put an iso on the stick
16:05<devil>or cat
16:05<PorkSoda>I only have one operable pc atm, and its windows
16:05<devil>PorkSoda: there is dd for windows
16:05<devil>afaik
16:05<PorkSoda>and thats ONLY because of my games
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16:06<PorkSoda>otherwise IMO, wondows is as worthless as tits on a warthog
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16:06<SynrG>devil: yes. read the intro :) he has been equipped now with win32-image-writer, so things should be
16:07<SynrG>ok
16:07<ompaul>PorkSoda: http://cdrtfe.sourceforge.net/ to make a cd or http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ to make usb
16:07<SynrG>really, he doesn't need *another* solution :)
16:07<PorkSoda>I tried lili
16:07<ompaul>PorkSoda: visit a friend who has a linux computer - let them solve it for you :)
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16:07<PorkSoda>it had the same resullt as unetbootin
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16:08<wolfzrat>hello
16:08<wolfzrat>?
16:08<PorkSoda>win32imagewriter worked
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16:08<SynrG>PorkSoda: "it" == lili? how are things going with win32-image-writer? you said "so far so good"
16:08<wolfzrat>anyone there?
16:08<SynrG>ah, good
16:08<devil>wolfzrat: no.
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16:09<ompaul>devil: you are correct, nobody here!
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16:10<ompaul>!tell wolfzrat about ask
16:10<devil>wolfzrat: if you have a debian related question, just ask
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16:10<wolfzrat>um well i have a pinguy question could you direct me?
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16:11<devil>what is pinguy?
16:11<retrospectacus>!pinguy
16:11<dpkg>PinguyOS is a GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.pinguyos.com/ #pinguyos on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
16:11<devil>ah
16:11<devil>#whyaminotsurprised
16:11<ompaul>wolfzrat: please consider yourself directed ^^^^^^^^^
16:11<streuner_>you arent
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16:11<wolfzrat>lol thank ompaul
16:12<ompaul>streuner_: only in the detail, only ever in the detail
16:12<streuner_>ompaul: hehe
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16:15<PorkSoda>I thank you all for your help. Thankfully that worked and I can now install Kanotix on my netbook :)
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16:19<devil>PorkSoda: kanotix has a channel on freenode
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16:20<PorkSoda>yup
16:20<PorkSoda>I prefer to come to the source tho
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16:21<devil>the source does not always like that :)
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16:23<PorkSoda>considering how helpful and friendly the debian community has always been, I dont think it minds lol
16:23<PorkSoda>its one of the main reasons I like debian
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16:23<PorkSoda>most every other distro just says rtfm
16:23<ompaul>PorkSoda: this is the source of debian, not kanotix, knoppix, aptosid, sidux, siduction or ubuntu or many others, we don't know what Kano did this time, but we can guess however they do know over there - or should do
16:24<PorkSoda>they just assume you havent read it....
16:24<ompaul>then you can bug report their docs
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16:26<PorkSoda>lol
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16:27<ompaul>PorkSoda: not really funny, given that the reason these distros exist is because someone has a delta from debian, and they need to manage that and the consequences of it.
16:27<ompaul>PorkSoda: if they fail to manage it, use debian.
16:27<ompaul>but don't expect #debian to support
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16:33<gdb>PorkSoda: Funny you mention that. While #debian has by far the worst reputation for being a bunch of jerks, I've found the opposite to be true (for the last several years). #debian tends to be the most welcoming and helpful of all the support channels. #ubuntu is pretty bad and #fedora is godawful.
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16:39<PorkSoda>ubuntu is just plain bad period
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16:39<PorkSoda>ompaul one reason I brought my question here was simply because it was something that happened with all debian based distros
16:40<PorkSoda>including vanilla debian
16:40<devil>PorkSoda: on the other hand kanotix needs and deserves your feedback
16:40<PorkSoda>I wasnt having any issues with kanotix itsself
16:41<PorkSoda>it was trying to put anything debian related on a usb
16:41<devil>PorkSoda: you sounded like you prefer #debian in general
16:42<PorkSoda>I prefer ANYTHING debian over anything else frankly
16:42<ompaul>PorkSoda: http://www.kanotix.com/FAQ-id_cat-5.html tells you what it suggests, if that is what you have done and it doesn't work, please inform them.
16:42<abrotman>...
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16:42<PorkSoda>tbh I actually enjoy using debians netiso and building my own base lol
16:42<ompaul>now can we leave this aside, it's about two light years from topic
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16:43<devil>ompaul: not two, just 1.3
16:43<ompaul>d still offtopic
16:43<ompaul>woops
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16:56<PorkSoda>Interesting
16:56<PorkSoda>I went thru all their poages and completely missed that
16:56<PorkSoda>*pages
16:56<PorkSoda>-.-
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17:15<Guest3208>hey, I have a new install of Pinguy OS with Gnome, any idea how I can bring up more than 1 desktop
17:15<sney_>!pinguy
17:15<dpkg>PinguyOS is a GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.pinguyos.com/ #pinguyos on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
17:17<Guest3208>thx
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17:48<Riley24>hey guys would somone here mind pointing me to a download for the latest debian xfce iso were i can just run it of my usb and run the installer the website is confusing the heck out of me lol
17:48<Riley24>to many download links
17:51<retrospectacus>!tell Riley24 about netinst
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17:51<retrospectacus>!tell Riley24 about install xfce
17:51<Gerowen>Could somebody tell me where I'm being retarded? I'm doing this partly as a pet project to make myself better with BASH.
17:51<Gerowen>http://paste.debian.net/184044/
17:52<Gerowen>I keep getting "too many arguments" on the if statements, and an error with the hash value followed by "unary operator expected" on the last two if statements
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17:53<abrotman>there's a lovely #bash on freenode
17:54<Riley24>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
17:54<Riley24>is that right
17:54<abrotman>that's a liveCD
17:55<Riley24>does it have an installer though
17:55<sney_>yes
17:55<Riley24>k
17:55<Riley24>all i need lol
17:55<abrotman>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso
17:55<Riley24>i was just planing on booting of my usb and going from there lol
17:55<abrotman>that's all you need
17:55<retrospectacus>Gerowen: quote your variables, you have pointless assignments, missed the "cut" part on the second md5 command, much more :)
17:56<retrospectacus>that's i386 though, looks like he wants amd64
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17:56<Riley24>yep
17:56<abrotman>fine, replace i386 with amd64
17:57<Riley24>i dont like net installers though
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17:57<retrospectacus>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/
17:57<abrotman>why not?
17:57<retrospectacus>netinstaller is best :)
17:57<Riley24>just never have dont know why i just like installing it to my usb lol
17:57<abrotman>it's not like the centos netinst .. this one doesn't rqeuire the internet to get a base system
17:58<abrotman>uhm .. you put the netinst on your USB
17:58<abrotman>!tell Riley24 about usb install
17:58<sney_>guys, just let him use the xfce live image if he wants
17:59<sney_>it's still debian and 500MB is not that huge
17:59<sney_>er, 800. still.
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17:59<themill>(just don't use it on a CD)
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18:04<lord_rob>you can even do a debian netinstall with debian livecd (but I don't remember the command that downloads the very minimal debian system)
18:04<Riley24>dosnt the live cd use annaconda?
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18:07<sney_>no, it just uses d-i like everything else. right, SynrG
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18:11<aef_>how can I force sudo to change the $HOME to that of the user i'm jumping into? -H seems to be supposed to do it but it doesn't. when I call sudo -H echo $HOME i'm getting the home director of the unprivileged user.
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18:12<retrospectacus>$HOME is evaluated by the shell before sudo is run
18:13<retrospectacus>try sudo -H echo \$HOME
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18:13<lord_rob>and what is the program that downloads a minimal debian system ? So a standard debian kernel and apt I suppose
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18:13<retrospectacus>debootstrap
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18:13<lord_rob>ah right thanks
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18:14<lord_rob>so with debootstrap you don't need d-i to install debian
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18:16<themill>debootstrap also doesn't install a kernel or bootloader
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18:25<lord_rob>you can apt-get one kernel aptitude and grub2 once chrooted and the /proc step done
18:25<themill>sure
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18:26<lord_rob>I was just wondering if I could install debian without the install cd, for example if I had only an Ubuntu live CD
18:26<sney_>!debootstrap
18:26<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap
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18:27<sney_>it's something of an involved process but it can certainly be done
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18:28<maxivegeta>ola
18:28<retrospectacus>hello
18:29<maxivegeta>im spanish
18:29<retrospectacus>!es
18:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:29<maxivegeta>chao
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19:09<xorAxAx>hi, i want to build a 3.5 kernel for my squeeze box using make-kpkg. which patches do i need against vanilla? or dont i need any at all? :)
19:09<sney_>use make deb-pkg, make-kpkg is deprecated
19:09<sney_>but you do not strictly speaking "need" any patches, the vanilla kernel works on a debian system
19:10<xorAxAx>ok
19:10<xorAxAx>is there some docs on deb-pkg?
19:10<sney_>it's just a makefile target. untar your sources, configure the kernel, then 'make deb-pkg' and it generates the image, header, firmware packages for you
19:11<sney_>'make help' in the kernel source directory may have some more details
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19:12<xorAxAx>ok
19:12<xorAxAx>does make help tell me how i end up with a sane config?
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19:14<sney_>the best way to end up with a sane config, and the way recommended by debian kernel devs, is to copy the config from your running kernel and update it with 'make oldconfig'. so, from the source directory do cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config && make oldconfig
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19:18<xorAxAx>sney_: i dont have a running 3.5er but the default squeeze one
19:18<xorAxAx>that still gives a valid config? :)
19:19<sney_>that's what 'make oldconfig' does, it asks you questions and adjusts the config file to match the new kernel, but still uses it as a base
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19:19<sney_>!kernel handbook
19:19<dpkg>The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook (http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ , packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Wheezy) serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source.
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19:27<landyardz>I am having problems with package manager updates and need some assistance
19:28<retrospectacus>!bat
19:28<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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19:29<landyardz>apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used)
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19:29<landyardz>I dont understand how to on that line above
19:30<landyardz>Ho do I get an output?
19:30<landyardz>How*
19:30<retrospectacus>hmm
19:30<landyardz>Which command I used?...oh..ok
19:31<retrospectacus>start by just eplaining your problem a little. On one line.
19:31<landyardz>ok
19:31<landyardz>"Could not download all repository indexes "
19:32<landyardz>when running upfdate manager from panel
19:32<landyardz>no "f"
19:32<retrospectacus>ok well open a terminal and as root run "apt-get update" - you will see more details about the error
19:32<landyardz>did that
19:32<retrospectacus>copy that whole thing and paste it to paste.debian.net and give us the URL
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19:33<landyardz>Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
19:33<landyardz>Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
19:33<landyardz>oops ...sorry
19:33<landyardz>thats all of it
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19:34<landyardz>you want the whole apt-get update part too ?
19:34<themill>that will be dmm changing url
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19:37<landyardz>http://paste.debian.net/184067/
19:37<landyardz>retrospectacus.....as instructed...ty
19:37<retrospectacus>I think you want to change "debian-multimedia.org" to "deb-multimedia.org" in /etc/apt/sources.list landyardz
19:37<landyardz>lose the "ian" ?
19:38<retrospectacus>that's it
19:38<landyardz>wow....particular ....
19:38<landyardz>i\ll try that thanks...
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19:44<landyardz>retrospectacus thank you for having a good eye on that spelling error, generated by who knows whom ?? ( in the sources.list)
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19:44<landyardz>Up-to-date....!
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22:41<joseph-soares>how do I connect to a printer in other computer?
22:42<sney>depends on how the printer is shared but generally: configure cups
22:42*abrotman doesn't miss printers at all ..
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22:42<joseph-soares>sney, I have an HP DESKJET F4100 and Linux has configured it automatically
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22:45<joseph-soares>sney, and it's status is shared
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22:48<joseph-soares>is there a easy way to configure a printer on network or just by cups configure file?
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22:50<sney>joseph-soares: what do you mean "linux configured it automatically", where does it say shared, what driver are you using, etc
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22:50<sney>also, cups is configured through a web interface
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22:54<joseph-soares>on 'server' in system > Admin > Printer
22:54<joseph-soares>sney, on 'server' in system > Admin > Printer
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22:55<joseph-soares>sney, when I say automatically, I mean I just plugged printer and my system recognized it
22:56<joseph-soares>sney, now, I want, from a 'client' computer to access the 'server' on network
22:57<joseph-soares>sney, sorry I gotta go
22:58<joseph-soares>sney, I'll try later
22:58<joseph-soares>see ya
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22:58<plugwash>can anyone reccomend a tool for finding files with the same name but different content?
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23:00<rudi_s>plugwash: find, xargs and shasum?
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23:02<plugwash>hmm, can find be told to output lists of files that have the same name
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23:02<plugwash>it's certainly not an option i've ever noticed in the docs
23:03<rudi_s>plugwash: It can't directly. But I'd just checksum all files on the system and then search the list for files with the same name and different checksums. A few lines of grep, sort, awk.
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