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00:15<Justsomeguy0101>Hi :D
00:15<Justsomeguy0101>lol
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00:17<Justsomeguy0101>Whats up everyone :D
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01:09<Jak_Atackka>Hello! I keep hitting an error when I try to install Grub. The error is:
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01:09<Jak_Atackka>Path '/boot/grub' is not readable by GRUB on boot. Installation is impossible. Aborting.
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01:10<Jak_Atackka>Does anybody know what is causing this error and/or how to fix it?
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01:19<Jak_Atackka>Is anyone here able to help?
01:20<Jak_Atackka>Is anyone here?
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01:25<scoldog>Does anyone have a udhcpd.conf file for multiple NIC's that I can look at?
01:25<scoldog>Trying to setup a content filtering proxy in debian 6.05
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01:26<scoldog>Got plenty of dhcp3 conf files as refernce
01:27<Kunda>so if I've added squeeze backports to my source.list (+ apt-get update) then when I do an apt-cache search for any package it should show me backports as well, correct ?
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01:28<Kunda>or is there a special flag like apt-get seach -t squeeze-backports munin
01:29<Kunda>s/apt-get/apt-cache/
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01:30<scoldog>Kunda, I believe it should be fine using ordinary apt-get search
01:30<scoldog>I did this a year ago with an older dist
01:30<scoldog>and it worked fine then
01:31<scoldog>I don't know if they'
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01:31<scoldog>they've changed it in 6.05
01:31<Kunda>I don't see munin 2.0 packages
01:32<Kunda>which should be there accroding to http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian-backports/pool/main/m/munin/
01:32<Kunda>2.X packages i mean
01:32<scoldog>I'm looking at http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/DebianDaily which says it should be under testing
01:32<scoldog>Is that the prog you are after?
01:32<Kunda>yea
01:33<scoldog>Have you enabled debian testing in your sources list?
01:33<Kunda>scoldog, the question though is why is it available in the web version search of backports ?
01:33<scoldog>Oh, sorry
01:34<Kunda>scoldog, i appreciate your answer. don't get me wrong. just confused
01:34<scoldog>Sorry about that,
01:34<scoldog>Fair enough
01:34<scoldog>Hopefully someone can answer you
01:35<scoldog>I've been waiting for about 10 mins now for a anwser back on my question
01:35<Kunda>i'll ask in #munin
01:35<scoldog>you and me seem to be the only ones active at the moment
01:35<pparadis>whoah
01:36<pparadis>you're looking for munin 2.0 in testing?
01:36<Kunda>no..in backports
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01:36<Kunda>but it's not coming up in apt-cache search
01:36<pparadis>Kunda: if it isn't there, you can do your own backport --> http://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation
01:36<pparadis>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/munin
01:37<pparadis>did you follow these instructions? http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/
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01:37<Kunda>pparadis, yessir
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01:38<pparadis>Kunda: i promise you it's there, because this URL works --> http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/pool/main/m/munin/munin_2.0.0-1~bpo60+1_all.deb
01:39<pparadis>Kunda: did you issue this command: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install munin
01:40<Jak_Atackka>Let me try again. How do you create a boot disc that works with UEFI?
01:40<pparadis>Jak_Atackka: if the normal installers don't work for you, you might try this --> http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
01:41<Kunda>thanks everyone
01:41<Jak_Atackka>I'm actually trying to install Arch Linux
01:41<pparadis>!arch
01:41<dpkg>rumour has it, arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>.
01:41<pparadis>darn
01:41<pparadis>not what i wanted
01:41<pparadis>Jak_Atackka: this channel is for debian support only. you might try this --> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IRC_Channel
01:42<Jak_Atackka>Thank you!
01:42<pparadis>sure thing
01:43<Jak_Atackka>Hm, I'm hitting an error that I don't think is Arch-specific. "ERROR: specified kernel image does not ecist: '/boot/vmlinuz-linux' "
01:44<pparadis>Jak_Atackka: the issue here is that this channel isn't for discussion of anything other than debian.
01:44<pparadis>we're all volunteers here, and it's a firm channel policy.
01:44<Jak_Atackka>I see.
01:44<pparadis>you might try #linux if you can't get any help in #archlinux
01:44<Jak_Atackka>Darn, this is the only channel I can seem to find any Linux-related help in.
01:44<pparadis>but they're probably refer to back to #archlinux to be honest.
01:45<pparadis>or you could, you know, install debian :)
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01:46<Jak_Atackka>Sorry, I can't. My main computer (which I'm installing Linux on) had Windows crap out and delete it's own bootloader, and this computer doesn't have a disc drive
01:46<pparadis>you can install debian from a USB drive.
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01:46<Jak_Atackka>Won't I have to reformat it?
01:46<Jak_Atackka>I believe it's FAT32 right now
01:46<pparadis>you can run debian alongside windows.
01:47<pparadis>in other words, you can resize your windows partition to make room.
01:47<pparadis>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
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01:47<Jak_Atackka>I've spent over 20 hours screwing with partitions to get them work, and I don't feel like going back.
01:47<pparadis>http://debian-handbook.info/
01:47<Jak_Atackka>Oh well. Thanks anyways.
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02:33<owen>Hi all, anyone want to do a spot of troubleshooting with me?? :)
02:34<emss>nobody can till you ask a question
02:35<owen>Thanks. Just got Wheezy up and running. Everything going great, but I cant get sound across HDMI on my ATI 6870
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02:35<emss>hrm, someone had this issue yesterday
02:36<Johnoo>i have 2 monitors and after changed mirroring to 2 monitors i have launcher panel on right monitor i need it on left side please help me how
02:36<emss>i don't have that hardware so can't help but there are people here who should be able to :)
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02:36<owen>No worries. The odd thing is that is recognizes the card, and I can see it on aplay, but just..... no sound
02:37<emss>owen: make sure your mixer settings are correct i.e. mute is disabled and volume level is good
02:37<emss>try `alsamixer'
02:37<emss>that's a terminal application
02:37*kingsley agrees with emss
02:38<owen>On alsa, it defaults me to Pulse, I hit F6 to pick the Audio Generic Card and I get a S/PDIF header, but it doesnt seem to have a sound level
02:38<kingsley>owen: Do you use pulseaudio?
02:39<owen>It does have 00, so I know its not muted
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02:39<emss>owen: the S/PDIF is optical?
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02:40<owen>Yeah, that is what it seems to be reporting it as, even though the 6870 doesn't have optical out...
02:40<emss>so that should toggle the red light on and off :)
02:41<emss>does your computer have optical?
02:41<owen>Nope, not on any cards, and not on the mobo
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02:43<kingsley>owen: I seem to recall 1.) you can press the "m" key in alsamixer to mute and unmute each channel. Ostensibly, at least one channel will be for your ATI 6870. 2.) I'm not current on PulseAudio, but in the past it was terribly buggy with some hardware. 3.) Look in /var/log/messages for audio errors. 4.) Look in dmesg's output for errors. 5.) You can probably find a more complete guide to debugging linux audio by searching Google's indices.
02:43<emss>can't help you with pulseaudio. removed it here :)
02:44<kingsley>I removed PulseAudio too.
02:44*kingsley needs to go soon...
02:45<emss>the transition from oss to alsa was enough, no need to deal with pulseaudio :)
02:45<owen>Yeah, from my searching travels, pulse seems to be equally needed and despised...
02:45<owen>Just checked apt-cache, and it does seem to be installed
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02:47<emss>owen: do you have kde or gnome installed? if so maybe kmix or whatever gnome mixer is called would be a better choice with pulseaudio
02:47<emss>no idea
02:48<owen>Question, when I run alsamixer, and hit F6, I'm presented with two cards, and the one titled "default" shows PulseAudio, so I have to manually select the 6870. Is there a way to swap this? In case its pushing out through pulse...?
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02:49<Johnoo>how to change position of panel from right monitor to left
02:49<emss>Johnoo: no idea but you can also try #debian on irc.freenode.net
02:50<Johnoo>emss, thx m8
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03:00<Johnoo>emss, hmm similar to here that's bad i don't know what i have to do in this situation spaming with same sentence on wall or i don't know
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03:02<nevyn>hrm I like pulse...
03:02<nevyn>it does useful stuff
03:03<emss>Johnoo: are you using gnome or kde? you could try asking in those channels and google :) or also debian mailing lists and http://wiki.debian.org/
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03:05<Johnoo>gnome
03:05<Johnoo>2.3
03:05<Johnoo>hehe
03:06<Johnoo>emss, thx cya
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03:15<owen>Just checked dmesg and found: *ERROR* radeon: MC ucode required for NI+
03:16<owen>more googling...:b
03:17<Johnoo>emss, it was so easy .. just press alt and move with panel ... only short time googling hmm but nobody answer these easy question ... ok cya
03:17<emss>:)
03:18<Johnoo>i should more googling
03:18<emss>Johnoo: you can press alt and click anywhere on a window and drag it :)
03:18<emss>you don't need to click on the titlebar :)
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03:18<Johnoo>?
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03:20<Johnoo>aha
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03:24<Johnoo>guys
03:24<Johnoo>any idea how to save live session on debian ?
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03:24<emss>you mean suspend to ram?
03:24<emss>or disk
03:24<Johnoo>ram
03:24<Johnoo>rescue mode from usb
03:25<emss>?
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03:25<owen>rebooting
03:25<Johnoo>live debian cd in my usb live guy session in ram (i hope that's in ram)
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03:27<Bleupomme>hello, I just virtualized a machine but have a problem with the kernel. uname -r gives me 2.6.32-3-amd64 but I have 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 -> this causes some module loading problems
03:28<Johnoo>emss, i'm reading it but i don't understand
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03:28<Johnoo>emss, http://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2009/10/msg00026.html
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03:38<emss>Johnoo: looking
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03:40<Johnoo>emss, thx but i did not start with persistence parameter i think there is no way
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03:44<emss>Johnoo: well if there are files you want to save you could always transfer them
03:45<emss>before powering down/rebooting
03:45<Johnoo>yes but i like now my appereance i need to remember it
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03:46<emss>well you can copy your ~ somewhere
03:46<emss>which will contain your settings for gnome etc.
03:46<emss>~ = home directory
03:46<emss> /home/Johnoo or whatever :)
03:47<Johnoo>in home are saved my settings ?
03:48<emss>tranfer to another hdd/usb stick/cd/dvd/ssh/ftp/http etc.
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03:48<emss>Johnoo: well those for gnome
03:48<emss>but if you changed something else e.g. /etc/some_file those are not
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03:49<emss>Johnoo: open gnome-terminal
03:49<emss>ls -a
03:49<Johnoo>ok opening
03:49<emss>or in nautilus or whatever tell it to display hidden files
03:49<Johnoo>gnome or root
03:49<emss>?
03:49<Johnoo>root terminal as superuser ?
03:50<emss>just a regular terminal
03:50<Johnoo>ok
03:50<emss>gnome-terminal is the actual command
03:50<emss>so alt+f2
03:50<Johnoo>yy thx
03:50<emss>should open the gnome run dialog box
03:50<Johnoo>opened
03:50<emss>in there type gnome-terminal
03:50<emss>ok
03:50<emss>type pwd
03:50<Johnoo>pwd
03:50<emss>or actually just type cd
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03:50<emss>then ls -a
03:51<Johnoo>done
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03:51<emss>you should see .gnome .gconf
03:51<Johnoo>some files
03:51<emss>etc.
03:51<Johnoo>see or copy ?
03:52<emss>ls -a should list the hidden as well as normal files/directories
03:52<emss>so see :)
03:52<Johnoo>yes
03:52<Johnoo>but i see inlky
03:52<Johnoo>only
03:52<Johnoo>.gnash
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03:52<Johnoo>.gnome2 .gnome2_private . gnupg no .gnome
03:53<emss>there you go .gnome2
03:53<Johnoo>ok
03:53<emss>you could just backup all of it
03:53<emss>because i think some settings are elsewhere not all in .gnome2
03:53<Johnoo>aha
03:53<Johnoo>like appereance ?
03:53<emss>yes
03:53<emss>but i'm not sure!
03:54<Johnoo>ok ok
03:54<Johnoo>thx
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03:54<emss>so if you backup .gnome .gnome2 .gnome2_private .gconf or whatever .gtk if there is one you might have it all
03:54<Johnoo>i saved .gnome2
03:54<emss>not sure though
03:54<Johnoo>to my other hdd
03:54<Johnoo>i understand
03:55<emss>then just copy them back next time you boot. you will need to login/out of gnome before the settings change
03:56<Johnoo>but that's only one my chance and i appreciate it
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03:56<Johnoo>ok and just .gnome2 or more
03:56<emss>i don't know all the changes you have made so there could be other files elsewhere you would want to backup
03:56<Johnoo>no only fonts
03:56<emss>is would back it all up :)
03:57<Johnoo>and appereance skin
03:57<Johnoo>aha
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03:57<emss>i don't know gnome so if the only changes you have made are with gnome that should all be in your ~ (home) directory
03:58<Johnoo>whole home folder yes ?
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03:58<Johnoo>emss, hehe that's only 6.9 MB
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03:58<emss>well the settings would be in files/directories preceded with a .
03:59<Johnoo>ups no
03:59<emss>yes
03:59<emss>so you might as well back it all up :)
03:59<Johnoo>102.5 mb no problem for me
03:59<Johnoo>i have big disk :) ok ok thx for help
03:59<emss>make sure you get the 'hidden' files/directories
03:59<Johnoo>we will see
03:59<Johnoo>yes
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04:00<emss>you could test your backup too
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04:00<emss>add another user to the system, copy your home directory to that users home directory and login as that user
04:00<Johnoo>when i looked at properties of folder it was only 7 MB but after i looked of properties of files that's 109 MB
04:01<emss>109MB did you install icons/themes/wallpapers?
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04:01<Johnoo>no no
04:02<Johnoo>some files like flash player but not working
04:02<emss>:)
04:02<emss>well you can install flashplayer using synaptic/aptitude
04:02<emss>it's in the non-free repositories
04:02<Johnoo>emss, could you help mi with install from tar. gz. or havent time to it
04:02<Johnoo>yes
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04:03<emss>you don't need to use the .tar.gz
04:03<Johnoo>i installed it from repositories but on my favourite pages don't working :)
04:03<emss>but if you wanted i think all you need to do is extract the .tar.gz and place the files in ~/.mozilla/plugins/
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04:04<emss>Johnoo: are you using firefox (iceweasel in debian) or google's browser?
04:05<peiyush>its fastr thn any os in the world
04:05<Johnoo>to terminal i write (i'm used to use root terminal) aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree but don't working
04:05<Johnoo>yes icewease;
04:05<emss>aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree does not work?
04:05<emss>what is the error?
04:05<Johnoo>thats installed
04:05<Johnoo>but after restart iceweasel
04:06<Johnoo>not working
04:06<emss>open iceweasel and in the location bar type about:plugins
04:06<Johnoo>no error
04:06<Johnoo>mmt
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04:06<peiyush>i used Mac, windows 7 and windows 8, pinguy os, fedora, linux mint, etc...but his one is really fast and works fine for me
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04:06<emss>peiyush: debian?
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04:07<peiyush>yup
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04:07<emss>peiyush: http://thanks.debian.net/
04:07<emss>:)
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04:42<grammoboy>when I choose xdm, I get to a console login, when I choose gdm3 or lightdm I get a black screen instead of a login manager
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04:46<grammoboy>so I can't get into X
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04:49<grammoboy>xorg log
04:49<grammoboy>screen fon but non have a usable configuration
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04:49<grammoboy>fatal server error
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04:50<grammoboy>pointers?
04:50<txt_file1>please pastebin the whole xorg.log
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04:58<grammoboy>txt_file1, http://fpaste.org/nwas/
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05:03<txt_file1>do you have a matrox-card?
05:03<grammoboy>I think so
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05:05<txt_file1>!tell grammoboy about mga
05:06<bernat>grammoboy: what's the output for "lspci -v"
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05:07<grammoboy>I've to go atm :(
05:07<grammoboy>bbl
05:07<grammoboy>thx
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05:30<ivo888>hi
05:30<ivo888>i install secure-delete and swapspace, but i can`t start them :(
05:30<ivo888>how to fix this?
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05:43<emss>ivo888: ?
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05:43<emss>why are you not able to start them?
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05:48<msergiu80>soembody please help me on a dns configuration ...as I am out of solutions
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05:49<ivo888>i don`t know
05:49<emss>ivo888: ?
05:49<ivo888>in run i can`t seen program
05:49<ivo888>in console also can`t type name of program...
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05:49<emss>well in console they might not be in your $PATH
05:50<emss>probably in /sbin /usr/sbin
05:50<emss>which are not in your $PATH
05:50<emss>ivo888: dpkg --listfiles secure-delete | grep bin/
05:51<emss>and if they are console/command-line applications that might be why there are not in your menu
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05:51<emss>there/they*
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05:53<ivo888>4 results in /usr/bin
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05:54<ivo888>Ok. it isn`t in my K menu, but i also can`t start it in console with typing program name
05:54<emss>why not?
05:54<emss>any error?
05:54<emss>type the full pathname
05:55<emss>if the path to the program is not in your $PATH
05:55<emss>echo $PATH
05:55*themill wonders what command ivo888 is typing
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05:56<ivo888>no no. there isn`t command secure-delete
05:56<themill>indeed.
05:56<emss>ivo888: dpkg --listfiles secure-delete | grep bin/
05:56<ivo888>/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin this is for root
05:56<emss>that should list the program names for you
05:57<ivo888>/usr/bin/sswap /usr/bin/sdmem /usr/bin/srm /usr/bin/sfill
05:57<emss>and the same fo the other package you installed swapspace
05:57<emss>there you go
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05:58<emss>ivo888: check /usr/share/doc/secure-delete/ for documentation and the programs manual/info pages
05:58<emss>man sswap
05:58<emss>etc.
05:59<emss> /usr/bin/sswap --help or -h or -?
05:59<ivo888>ok. thanks
05:59<ivo888>last question
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05:59<emss>also, aptitude show secure-delete will/should give you a better description
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06:06<ivo888>from 3-4 days when i start iceweasel my hdd activity is too much and my system freeze :(
06:06<ivo888>http://paste.debian.net/185236/
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06:07<ivo888>is my swap full and did i need securedelete and swapspace to fix this freez
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06:07<emss>how much memory do you have
06:07<emss>?
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06:08<ivo888>2gm ram and 1gb swap
06:08<emss>nevermind just saw the paste :)
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06:08<emss>swap is very slow
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06:09<emss>since you are swaping to a hdd
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06:09<ivo888>but i have 2gb of ram. what "eat" my ram?
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06:09<ivo888>gkrellm show 260procs
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06:10<emss>well you can use `top' and `ps' to see what programs are using waht
06:10<emss>what*
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06:10<emss>using any swap is slow
06:10<emss>swap is not real memory/ram
06:11<grammoboy>txt_file1, i've already installed xserver-xorg-video-mga, and now also firmware-nonfree, but no improvements yet
06:11<ivo888>top : 7% Xorg, 2% skype 2% konsole 1,3%gkrellm. other are less than 1%
06:12<ivo888>in "ps" i can`t see mem usage
06:12<emss>ps aux
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06:12<themill>!meminfo
06:12<dpkg>To get one measure of the amount of memory being used by each process, try: ps -Ao pid,tt,user,fname,size --sort size
06:12<ivo888>wow. this may be my 260 procs?
06:13<ivo888>thank you
06:13<bernat>grammoboy: have you tried "lspci -v"?
06:13<tom2bor>hi. just extracted the debian-6.0.4-amd64-DVD-1.iso and then used genisoimage to create an iso image from the extracted content again. if i start the installation become error: The CD-ROM drive contains a CD which cannot be used for installation"
06:14<tom2bor>the oryginal iso was debian-6.0.5-amd-CD-1
06:14<grammoboy>bernat, http://fpaste.org/DyCi/
06:14<ivo888>skype 210852 krunner 199404 plasma-d 159248 Xorg 150908 okular 133548 kwin 113516 knotify4 103568 kded4 102716 other are less than 100000 is it normal?
06:14<grammoboy>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. MGA G400/G450 (rev 82) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
06:15<tom2bor>with debian-6.0.4 it worken in the past.
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06:16<themill>ivo888: doesn't look that strange.
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06:16<ivo888>So, may be kde eat most ram?
06:16<themill>not really
06:16<emss>iceweasel probably :)
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06:17<ivo888>but empty chromium again "burn" my hdd :(
06:17<emss>ssd?
06:17<ivo888>what is ssd? there isn`t ssd command
06:17<emss>solid state drive/disk
06:18<ivo888>where and what to check?
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06:18<emss>what do yo mean by "burn"?
06:18<ivo888>work on max, and system freeze
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06:18<emss>?
06:19<ivo888>when i open icewealsel or chromium my hdd indication light up and don`t tur off
06:19<ivo888>i can`t move my mouse, can`t switch tabs with alt+tab etc
06:20<emss>that's either due to swap i.e. low ram/memory or possibly iceweasel caching no idea
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06:20<ivo888>ok. i`ll check it later. now i must go on. thanks for help
06:21<emss>ok
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06:26<txt_file1>!tell grammoboy about mga_hal
06:27<txt_file1>grammoboy: try this and if it works then i know i get my matrox card working ;)
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06:31<Johnoo>i'm now live user if i install debian from here i will lose my settings ? (appereance fonts etc.)
06:32<Johnoo>or it will be moved to new system
06:33<grammoboy>matrox_driver-x86_32-4.4.0/xserver/7.0.0$ ls
06:33<grammoboy>mga_drv.o mga_drv.so mga_hal_drv.o mga_hal_drv.so
06:33<grammoboy>txt_file1, any idea where to place the files?
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06:34<txt_file1>Johnoo: you will lose this stuff, but you can copy manually the content of /home/…
06:34<nocturnal>I'm trying to expand a logical root volume, the volume group exists and is available to the debian live system in /dev. I've already resized the partition in fdisk by simply deleting it, creating it anew with the same start and longer end, same partition type 8e. but lvextend -L+2G says 0 extents are left. and pvscan shows no free space.
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06:35<txt_file1>grammoboy: good question … sorry but i don’t know
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06:36<Johnoo>txt_file1, perfect thx (i hear this thing for second time i believe :) thx )
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06:38<nocturnal>all the guides online seem to tell me to create a new partition from the extended disk space. and then add that partition to the volume group. I want to expand an existing partition, which I already have done but the volume group won't pick
06:38<nocturnal>won't pick up on the space
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06:43<nocturnal>nevermind, pvresize was the missing piece
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06:44<bernat>grammoboy: it seems there's a conflict between kernel modules matrox_w1 and mga
06:46<grammoboy>bernat, hm, what should I do?
06:47<bernat>grammoboy: "rmmod matrox_w1; /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
06:47<bernat>grammoboy: I can't confirm that's the problem but I'd try to remove matrox_w1 and restart X
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06:49<grammoboy>bernat, damn, ... gdm here
06:49<grammoboy>I also copied mga_drv.so and mga_hal_drv.so from matrox site to /usr/ lib/xorg/modules/drivers
06:50<grammoboy>and put mga_hal in /etc/modules
06:50<grammoboy>but not sure if that made sense
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06:51<grammoboy>but at least I have X back
06:51<grammoboy>thx
06:51<bernat>grammoboy: mga_hal will give extra functions but it shouldn't be needed
06:52<bernat>grammoboy: better remember what you've done when you have problems again
06:52<grammoboy>bernat, good point
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06:52<bernat>grammoboy: you should blacklist matrox_w1
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06:53<bernat>grammoboy: and while you remember what you've done you may want to go back to the Debian drivers
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06:54<grammoboy>bernat, how do I blacklist?
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06:56<bernat>!tell grammoboy about blacklist
06:56<grammoboy>tx
06:56<grammoboy>I can remove the nonfree drivers right?
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06:57<bernat>grammoboy: I guess so
06:57<bernat>grammoboy: you'll probably avoid some possible future problems by removing them now
06:58<bernat>grammoboy: in case those files replaced Debian files you'll have to restore them or reinstall their packages
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07:02<grammoboy>bernat, did that, thx!
07:02<grammoboy>works
07:02<SynrG>you could locally divert the files
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07:06<txt_file1>grammoboy: do you know what you did and have a blog where you can publish a tutorial? as i said i own such a card too
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07:07<grammoboy>txt_file1, I think it's just blacklist matrox_w1
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07:11<txt_file1>i will try that as soon as i start the machine again
07:11<grammoboy>it was a pleasure to help you solve your problem
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07:13<grammoboy>:p
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07:14<txt_file1>:D
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07:18<bernat>grammoboy: have you tried a restart?
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07:19<grammoboy>bernat, yes, works
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07:44<salz>iss hier wer ??
07:44<salz>anyone out there ?
07:45<TobiX>salz: Just ask :)
07:45<salz>ok can u help me with a linux distri ?
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07:47<salz>how can i reinstall the Session and Startup> Application Autostart on ubuntu ??
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07:48<bernat>!ubuntu
07:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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07:58<jc>hallo zusammen,... ich sitze gerade an einer debian-edu/skolelinux installation und stecke fest.
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07:59<jc>Beim Punkt ltsp-client-server... 'failed with errorcode 1'... sowohl mit einer lenny als auch mit einer squeeze dvd
07:59<jc>weiss jemand rat?
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08:00<txt_file1>!de
08:00<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
08:02<txt_file1>jc: also have you tried the skolelinux chan?
08:02<jc>oh.. im sorry...
08:02<Johnoo>hi i need to install debian x64 i have live usb but i wanna to install it from gui like in cli i know i can install from gui with gui mode install but i would like to install like in cli is it possible ?
08:03<Johnoo>from live session
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08:03<txt_file1>jc: and as third … lenny is not supported anymore
08:04<jc>oh... i only tried skolelinux.de and debian-edu...
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08:04<jc>lenny... wasn't my idea... i think we're on squeeze now...
08:05<txt_file1>yeah
08:05<txt_file1>or wheezy for early adopters
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08:07<jc>hmm.. whezzy might be a solution.. but i think it is only a small problem.
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08:12<bernat>!tell Johnoo about install
08:14<Johnoo>bernat, i know but i need to install it withou gui in live session is it possible ?
08:15<bernat>Johnoo: see the related links to see all possible ways to install it
08:15<bernat>Johnoo: it may be possible but unsupported
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08:17<Johnoo>bernat, i have one good tuttorial on web i can install it but i need to read it and if i will install it without gui i cann't read my tutorial that's the reason why i need install from gui but in cli
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08:18<Johnoo>i have only one pc
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09:32<zaef>hi
09:32<zaef>do you know why mysqld_safe is running as root under Debian ?
09:32<zaef>it runs with the current user under FreeBSD or Fedora
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09:36<PaulePanter>The content of poppler-dbg looks strange <http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/poppler-dbg/filelist>.
09:36<PaulePanter>Can somebody please confirm if that is an error?
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09:50<PaulePanter>The content of poppler-dbg looks strange <http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/poppler-dbg/filelist>.
09:51<PaulePanter>Can somebody please confirm that error?
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10:00<abrotman>PaulePanter: now what i would imagine .. compare to another -dbg package
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10:25<prowl82>command
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10:27<mikemike>hi, is there any way to restart x without closing all my running applications ?
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10:32<Maulkin>mikemike: Basically, no.
10:32<mikemike>thank you
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10:36<PaulePanter>libvpx1-dbg and totem do *not* have hashes(?).
10:36<PaulePanter>libxml2-dbg does though.
10:36<PaulePanter>abrotman: ^^
10:37<zaef>bye everybody
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10:41<abrotman>PaulePanter: seems odd to me
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10:42<Akoibon>hi all. Why there is a lot of debian CD on this dowload page :
10:43<Akoibon>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/
10:43<Akoibon>?
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10:45<Maulkin>Akoibon: Because that's how many CDs you need to fit the entire archive on. Just use http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso if you have a network connection availbale, or CD-1 otherwise.
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10:46<Akoibon>i download the CD 1
10:46<Akoibon>thk
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10:50<amdgoon>In the package linux-image-3.5-trunk-amd64, what does the work "trunk" signify?
10:51<PaulePanter>amdgoon: That it is the latest package from the Debian Linux kernel repository.
10:51<PaulePanter>amdgoon: Look for Subversion and trunk.
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10:52<PaulePanter>amdgoon: In contrary to Linux upstream, the Debian packaging is still done with Subversion aka svn.
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10:52<amdgoon>ok, thanks PaulePanter. I was wondering since the default kernels for stable and testing do not have that word in the package name.
10:52<ziggyzZz>hi guyz, do we know that on debian squeeze if we have to use a xorg.conf file then do we have to put something in the conf to allow extended desktop instead of mirror image.. both my monitors are showing same desktop
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11:06<dckx>hi. I'm having problems with html5 videos in iceweasel 14.0.1. I can't see the controls of the videoplayer.
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11:07<dckx>Can anybody reproduce this or am I doing something wrong?
11:07<dckx>for example on this website: https://www.eff.org/keeping-your-site-alive
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11:08<sney>I can see the controls on that but they aren't behaving properly
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11:09<sney>oh, I have 13 though
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11:14<PaulePanter>dckx: reportbug iceweasel
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11:16<dckx>PaulePanter: That's what I wanted to do next. ;) I just don't want to report unreproduceable bugs because iceweasel is highly customizable and this could cause the problem too.
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11:17<PaulePanter>dckx: Sure thing.
11:17<PaulePanter>Though 14 is not in Debian, is it?
11:17<PaulePanter>I have 10.0.6esr-2 installed but do not use it.
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11:20<dckx>PaulePanter: You can configure to get iceweasel from experimental
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11:24<sney>dckx: if you can reproduce it with no plugins enabled...
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11:28<PaulePanter>dckx: Alright.
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11:30<PaulePanter>Hmm, the homepage youtube.com is really slow with 10.0.6. :/
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11:30<PaulePanter>Going to some other site (like search results) it works.
11:30<PaulePanter>dckx: I did not have any problems with the controls and 10.0.6.
11:31<dckx>I've backuped my profile and tryed it with a clean one
11:31<dckx>looks like some of the addons break it
11:31<dckx>Looks like this is going to be a nightmare to track down the bug
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11:54<fayaz>hi, i recently upgraded from squeeze to wheezy. now my kdm login is no longer working.
11:54<fayaz>but xinit -> startkde works
11:55<fayaz>i tried switching to xdm. but that didn't help either
11:55<fayaz>any packages i should try reinstalling?
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11:57<abrotman>is the xorg package installed?
11:57<abrotman>is your kernel up to date?
11:57<fayaz>yeah
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11:58<fayaz>it is
11:59<fayaz>like i said, xinit -> startkde works fine. i'm currently on that
11:59<fayaz>but it fails while booting
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12:35<marioand23>hola a todos
12:37<Bernat>!es
12:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:51<bgmarete>Hello all. Is "apt-get update" broken for testing/wheezy right now for PowerPC (PPC)?
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12:55<amdgoon>I am getting: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
12:55<amdgoon>when installing packages.
12:55<amdgoon>Is the gpg key needing installing?
12:56<retrospectacus>it's just a warning, you can ignore it or install that repository's keyring (which is ...?)
12:56<amdgoon>I have the debian-archive-keyring installed,
12:56<SynrG>bgmarete: nothing significant according to http://edos.debian.net/weather/ though you might want to look at details
12:57<amdgoon>but also have experimental in my sources.list file.
12:57<retrospectacus>amdgoon: well what repository is that package coming from?
12:58<bgmarete>SynrG: Thanks! Will do. Trying to upgrade squeeze->Wheezy. Any known pitfalls in regard to "apt-get update" in this process?
12:58<amdgoon>I am not sure, which is part of the problem . . . lol
12:58<SynrG>bgmarete: i can't say in particular for ppc.
12:58<bgmarete>SynrG: Many thanks!
12:58<amdgoon>how does one tell?
13:00<retrospectacus>amdgoon: apt-cache policy <packagename>
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13:04<amdgoon>ok, thanks retrospectacus, I'm installing package nmap from testing, which is what I've installed. experimental was there to get just the odd package
13:05<amdgoon>looks like I need the key for wheezy, to me.
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13:06<leonardo_>I'm using Gnome 3. My session hangs for 2~3 minutes after login. I even tried a new install. Same thing. Returns to normal after that, but Emphaty also hangs when I click the notification anywhere out of the input box.
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13:14<Bernat>leonardo_: are you using testing?
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13:15<leonardo_>Testing and Sid.
13:15<leonardo_>Now I'm using Sid.
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13:16<leonardo_>I believe it's related to Google online accounts.
13:16<Bernat>!tell leonardo_ about debian-next
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13:16<Bernat>you should ask in #debian-next or #debian-gnome, better chances of getting answers
13:17<leonardo_>Ok!
13:17<leonardo_>Thanks
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13:17<Bernat>np
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13:18<xtremox>hi
13:19<retrospectacus>hi
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13:24<toni_>anyone tried to install xfce from experimental in squeeze?
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13:26<amdgoon>i have installed debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring but still get the warning. WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
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13:26<Maulkin>amdgoon: Do you have non-debian sources registered?
13:27<amdgoon>Used to be able to get rid of this in squeeze with the keyring, is that not correct for wheezy? It appear so.
13:27<amdgoon>Maulkin: will pastebin my sources.list
13:27<Maulkin>amdgoon: And what's the full error message please?
13:27<amdgoon>multimedia is in there
13:27<amdgoon>likely that one, I guess
13:27<Maulkin>amdgoon: I'd remove that.
13:28<amdgoon>k
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13:29<amdgoon>crap, I am wrong. it is commented out. http://paste.debian.net/185289
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13:30<Maulkin>amdgoon: Could be experimental... what's the full error mesage
13:31<amdgoon>http://paste.debian.net/185290 for example of error
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13:32<Maulkin>amdgoon: What's the error from apt-get update?
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13:33<amdgoon>Maulkin: I commented out experimental and the error is gone. So do I pull debian-archive-keyring from experiment with the -t switch? Maybe?
13:34<Maulkin>amdgoon: sounds about right.
13:34<amdgoon>k
13:34<ansgar>Round-robin between mirrors in a slightly different state might also cause this. I think http.debian.net is supposed to be less prone to that problem than cdn.debian.net.
13:34<ansgar>testing/unstable/experimental are all signed with the same key.
13:35<amdgoon>ansgar, Maulkin: thanks BTW. will keep experimenting here.
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13:43<bagz>any utility lib to decode based on proto/block/mangle packets?
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13:51<pphilips>hi
13:51<pphilips>my netbook is overheating - it's over 70*C, can you help me configure some fan control?
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13:52<memos>hello!!!
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13:54<pphilips>hi
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13:56<AlexLikeRock>hi
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13:57<gnugr>pphilips:use htop to see which process is overheating
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13:58<pphilips>CPU column?
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14:04<abrotman>pphilips: have you install acpi and acpid ?
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14:06<pphilips>abrotman: yes
14:06<pphilips>what's the command to respond to the chosen person?
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14:09<pphilips>abrotman yes
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14:13<abrotman>pphilips: are you sure the fan is coming on ?
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14:13<pphilips>abrotman yes, it's on, but it's working quiet
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14:14<abrotman>pphilips: did you search with apt for fan control programs ?
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14:15<pphilips>abrotman I've installed lm-sensors and fancontrol but I'm not sure how to use it properly
14:15<sney_>they surely have manuals
14:15<pphilips>man page for fancontrol says that i can use pwmconfig
14:16<abrotman>so .. do that?
14:16<pphilips>doesn't work
14:16<pphilips>one moment
14:16<abrotman>!doesn't work
14:16<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
14:17<abrotman>gnugr: what would you have had him do? Kill the top process every time his CPU gets warm?
14:17<pphilips>ok, I want to find error and past it here
14:17<abrotman>pphilips: use paste.debian.net
14:17<pphilips>error: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed
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14:18<msergiu80> can somebody help me by telling me why do I have a doubled CNAME record on "dig www.embedded-systems.ro"
14:19<msergiu80>so that embedded-systems.ro works but www.embedded-systems.ro doesn't in browser
14:19<pphilips>abrotman error:There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed
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14:25<TobiX>msergiu80: Wrong channel IMHO. But your CNAME looks alright to me.
14:26<TobiX>pphilips: Try the sensors-detect tool to check if it finds any sensors in your system...
14:26<msergiu80>does it?, I see two times embedded-systems.ro.embedded-systems.ro
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14:28<pphilips>TobiX there are still 3 sensors with similar temp: temp1: 72*, core0: 68*, core1: 72*
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14:31<TobiX>pphilips: What hardware is that?
14:31-!-sakal [~sakal@93-81-245-33.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #debian
14:31<pphilips>TobiX Asus eeePC 1015PEM
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14:32<pphilips>with Intel Atom N550
14:32<TobiX>pphilips: core0 and core1 are from coretemp, those are the CPU core tempratures, the other one is from another sensor
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14:33<pphilips>TobiX probably but it still has the similar temp
14:33<pphilips>maybe it is integrated gpu?
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14:35<TobiX>pphilips: Did you install eeepc-acpi-scripts?
14:36<AlexLikeRock>what USB-LAN its beter ? tenda or TP-link
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14:37<TobiX>pphilips: Looks quite supported: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1015PEM
14:37<pphilips>TobiX I've installed, but it displays errors during system boot
14:38<pphilips>in which log file should i search for it?
14:38<TobiX>pphilips: Try reading up the eeepc-specific stuff about fancontrol on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/TipsAndTricks#Software_Control_of_the_fan_speed
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14:41<TobiX>pphilips: Is the eeepc_laptop kernel module loaded?
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14:44<retrospectacus>check out powertop pphilips
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14:45<pphilips>TobiX there is eeepc_wmi but not eeepc_laptop
14:46<pphilips>retrospectacus it's not about active processes, but low fan speeds
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14:49<TobiX>pphilips: Could you try modprobing eepc_laptop and check what happens in the kernel log?
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14:51<pphilips>TobiX "root@Jungle:/home/ja# modprobe eeepc_laptop
14:51<pphilips>ERROR: could not insert 'eeepc_laptop': No such device
14:51<pphilips>root@Jungle:/home/ja# modprobe eepc_laptop
14:51<pphilips>FATAL: Module eepc_laptop not found.
14:51<pphilips>root@Jungle:/home/ja#
14:51-!-pphilips was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
14:51<memos>debhelper badboy :)
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14:53<pphilips>ok, sorry for that
14:53<pphilips>ERROR: could not insert 'eeepc_laptop': No such device
14:53<pphilips>root@Jungle:/home/ja# modprobe eepc_laptop
14:53<pphilips>FATAL: Module eepc_laptop not found.
14:53<pphilips>root@Jungle:/home/ja#
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14:53<sney_>:|
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14:55<pphilips>on a second time, I've written bot command wrong...
14:56<sney_>pphilips: when it says "error: no such device" that means the module exists but does not support your hardware
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14:59<pphilips>sney_ but it should support this model
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14:59<pphilips>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Eee_PC#Eee_PC_90x.2F1000H.2F1005HA.2F1005PE.2F1015PEM.2F1015PN_Series
15:00<TobiX>pphilips: Anything in dmesg?
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15:03<TobiX>pphilips: Did you add "acpi_osi=Linux" to the kernel command line? Some guides say the kernel module only loads with that...
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15:05<pphilips>TobiX I don;t see anything important http://paste.debian.net/185304
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15:06<PaulePanter>Is it normal that file names in debug packages are hashes?
15:06<PaulePanter>The content of poppler-dbg looks strange <http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/poppler-dbg/filelist>.
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15:06<PaulePanter>The same with libxml2-dbg.
15:06<pphilips>TobiX no, I've just set it now
15:07<PaulePanter>GDB seems to find them just fine though.
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15:07<sney_>it looks like the eeepc_laptop module is only for keyboard hotkeys anyway
15:07<TobiX>PaulePanter: I think GDB uses some compile hash to lookup the debug symbols
15:07<PaulePanter>I wonder about programs like addr2line which need the debug stuff as far as I know.
15:08<pphilips>some hotkeys doesn't work too, but it's another thing ;)
15:08<pphilips>after setting acpi_osi=Linux it still doesn't load
15:08<PaulePanter>pphilips: Write a message to debian-eeepc-devel@….
15:09<PaulePanter>TobiX: Interesting, I have never seen that before.
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15:09<sney_>debian-eeepc was a project to build native eee support into debian proper, it hasn't been active really since squeeze came out
15:09<TobiX>PaulePanter: Ah, here: http://sources.redhat.com/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Separate-Debug-Files.html
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15:09<pphilips>so should I write or not?
15:09<pphilips>on common debian-eeepc there is no answer
15:10<PaulePanter>TobiX: Thanks.
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15:11<PaulePanter>sney_: It has not been active because nowadays everything more or less is working out of the box with current Linux kernel.
15:11<sney_>pphilips: you were having heat problems, right? have you tried cleaning the dust out?
15:12<PaulePanter>pphilips: It will not hurt. Please be very specific and provide all log files.
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15:12<sney_>PaulePanter: yes, exactly. there wasn't much extra necessary after 2.6.32 was released, and most headaches since then have been general NIC vendor gripes that apply to non-eees as well
15:12<Bunny_Euchrow>hi all
15:13<sney_>hi
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15:13<pphilips>sney_ I can't disassemble it, because there is still 2 months of warranty (I'm waiting for a response from Asus)
15:13<pphilips>hi
15:13<TobiX>pphilips: Compressed air?
15:14<sney_>you don't need to disassemble, just get a can of air with a straw
15:14<pphilips>I can try, but it still should increase the fan speed, right?
15:14<sney_>I have a 10" eee and assuming they didn't change the case much, there are enough vents to clean stuff out
15:14<sney_>not necessarily. they're designed to be low power. usually a fan running at full speed is a bad sign anyway
15:15<sney_>if you can't hear the fan at all, then it may have failed, and that's definitely a job for asus's warranty
15:15<pphilips>it works
15:16<pphilips>quiet and slow
15:16<Bunny_Euchrow>Someone knows a software for irc on a terminal ?
15:16<sney_>Bunny_Euchrow: irssi
15:16<Bunny_Euchrow>thanks a lot sney_
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15:17<sney_>my 1000HA's fan only runs at full speed if I'm compiling something or for some reason using the cpu at full tilt
15:18<sney_>with normal desktop usage the cpu clocks down and I can barely hear it unless I listen closely
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15:18<pphilips>what temp do you have?
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15:19<TobiX>[Insert generic rant about the nvidia binary blob here] *grumble*
15:19<sney_>I don't have the machine with me so I don't know the numbers offhand. hey SynrG, if you're there, any idea what the operating temperature should be on a 1015PE or similar?
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15:21<pphilips>on 1001px it's 62* on stress
15:22<pphilips>I think it should be similar at 1015pem
15:22<pphilips>and about 50* on light work
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15:24<astol>hi all
15:24<astol>for some reason java began working very slow on one of our servers
15:24<astol>executing java -version takes eternity
15:24<astol>$ java -version
15:24<astol>java version "1.6.0_18"
15:24<astol>OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.8.13) (6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2)
15:24<astol>OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 14.0-b16, mixed mode)
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15:25<astol>sorry debhelper
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15:25<pphilips>hi
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15:25<astol>well after displaying version it takes 1 to 2 minutes to finish
15:26<astol>maybe somebody knows something?
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15:28<pphilips>astol have you tried some other java machine?
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15:28<emss>astol: is something else eating the systems resources?
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15:30<astol>pphilips: yeah, I think they suffer the same
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15:30<astol>pphilips: or at least sun java has similar problems
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15:31<astol>emss: no, load average << 1
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15:31<TobiX>astol: Have you tried ltrace/strace or something? Maybe that gives a clue why it takes so long...
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15:32<astol>TobiX: yeah, it is pretty similar to what happens on normal machine
15:33<pphilips>ok guys, thx for help, I'll try to google something more
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15:33<pphilips>see you
15:33<astol>TobiX: it just hangs up after writing everything to console
15:34<astol>TobiX: then after 1 or 2 minutes it displays prompt
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15:34<astol>and it doesn't react to ctrl+c
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15:34<astol>hmm! it does.. says ^C <unfinished ...>
15:34<astol>ah, it does so with strace, without strace it doesn't react
15:34<retrospectacus>astol: stop ntpd and run: date -s "$(date)"
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15:35<retrospectacus>astol: sounds crazy but it worked for me when I had that problem
15:35<astol>retrospectacus: sounds like a chant :) trying
15:35<astol>actually I did install ntpd some time ago
15:35<TobiX>retrospectacus: Oh, right. That one.
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15:36<astol>btw maybe you guys know some solution or something
15:36<retrospectacus>ntp is fine, fully recommended
15:36<TobiX>The leap second problem, might be that one
15:36<retrospectacus>it's a crazy bug to do with a leap second on Jun30, maybe TobiX has more info but that was the solution for me
15:36<astol>..nevermind, let me finish that one
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15:37<TobiX>I use chrony, so I wasn't affected, because chrony is a cheating bastard and ignores leap seconds
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15:37<astol>crazy crazy stuff
15:37<astol>it worked!
15:37<retrospectacus>:)
15:38<TobiX>There was a bug in Linux' leap second code and this makes Java proceses act weird.
15:38<astol>daddy can I start ntpd again?… :-D
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15:38<retrospectacus>yes. Though I read that if you start it immediately the fix may not take
15:38<TobiX>After that there were reports of some ntp servers telling clients about leap seconds even if there aren't any...
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15:40<astol>well at least java works great again
15:40<astol>thanks a ton
15:40<retrospectacus>yeah that bug drove me nuts! At first I assumed it was java being java, then forever searching for something slowing it down... eventually asked in #tomcat and they fixed me up :)
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15:41<astol>yeeeah exactly the same
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15:41<astol>except I thought 'wow hadoop is really a hadoop'
15:41<retrospectacus>heh
15:42<TobiX>I don't even know if it is fixed in Debian's stable kernel yet...
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15:42<TobiX>Since it won't happen again as long as ntpd does not tell the kernel: Hey, there is another leap second coming!
15:43<astol>the worst thing is that I read something about that leap second thing like a week ago
15:43<astol>and I remember making a mental note
15:44<astol>I just can't remember whether it was a warning that it is possible or it is the opposite and it said that it shouldn't happen again in a long time :)
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16:17<dodo>Hi all,
16:17<dodo>I have a problem with my home lan, my router does not support dhcp rules.
16:17<dodo>I have a NAS that runs Debian and I would like to assign a static ip to it. I have done it with another distribution that uses dhcpcd (-s x.x.x.x) but I am not sure on how to do that with dhclient.
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16:17<dodo>I want to be supersure on what I am going to do because I can connect to my NAS *ONLY VIA SSH*, so if something goes wrong after the reboot, I am in big troubles!
16:18<dodo>Any idea?
16:18<abrotman>dodo: man interfaces
16:18*andres now has disabled pdiffs on any machine he administers but his primary workstation.
16:19<dodo>abrotman: yep, but I am not sure about one thing
16:19<andres>I think there should be some automatism to disable pdiffs if more than say 4 diffs need to be downloaded.
16:19<dodo>abrotman: do I havo to set it like a normal static ip configuration?
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16:21<dodo>abrotman: because, in dhclient.conf there is the option "alias"
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16:22<dodo>abrotman: what are the differences between the two options?
16:22<dodo>sorry, not an expert in networking
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16:22<retrospectacus>dodo: if you don't have "dhcp" in interfaces, dhclient is irrelevant
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16:24<dodo>retrospectacus: ok, but what i mean is: disabling dhcp and setting a static ip in interfaces is all I have to do?
16:25<dodo>retrospectacus: because my nas is going to connect with a router with a DHCP client
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16:26<retrospectacus>what?
16:26<dodo>retrospectacus: (sorry, server) why is also possible to let the dhcp client to ask for a certain ip?
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16:28<retrospectacus>just set it static, forget dhcp
16:29<Apollo>retrospectacus: bad idea
16:30<Apollo>this will allow ip collisions
16:30<retrospectacus>well, set it outside the dhcp range
16:30<dodo>that was what I feared
16:30<Apollo>you can let your dhcp server distribute a specific ip to a specific mac address
16:30<Apollo>which is easily googled
16:30<retrospectacus>that is probably the best way
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16:31<dodo>I would love that, but my dhcp server (in my router) do not support that
16:31<dodo>*does
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16:32<jason__>yo
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16:32<retrospectacus>dodo: install debian on the router too ;)
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16:33<dodo>retrospectacus: :)
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16:34<retrospectacus>well if your router also does hostname-based private dns or whatever, just let the NAS get whatever IP from dhcp and then ssh nasname.local or so
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16:35<retrospectacus>seems to work for me here at my office
16:35<dodo>retrospectacus: mmm, interesting
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16:37<dodo>retrospectacus: it doesn't :(
16:37<dodo>aaargh
16:38<retrospectacus>can you at least view the leases table through the router interface
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16:40<dodo>what I am thinking is: is it possible for the client to ask for a certan ip, and in case of conflict, fallback to a generic one assigned by the server?
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16:41<retrospectacus>I think no but,
16:41<sney_>your router doesn't offer a range of ip addresses outside the dhcp lease range? most home routers do, even the crappy ISP ones. even if it doesn't explicitly say, you can deduce what the upper and lower ranges of the dhcp range are just from a couple of hosts on the network
16:41<retrospectacus>maybe you can set eth0 to dhcp and eth0:0 to static (have both a static and dhcp on one NIC)
16:41<retrospectacus>not sure if that is possible
16:42<toni_>is there someone using TWM ??
16:42<retrospectacus>toni_: probably someone, maybe it's you!
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16:43<sney_>so the awful router that I have from my isp only offers dhcp leases from 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.253, and I can use 192.168.1.1 through 192.168.1.99 for any static nonsense I need. (the gateway is 192.168.1.254 for some reason.)
16:43<toni_>someone else??
16:43<retrospectacus>toni_: just ask your actual question
16:43<toni_>firefox in TWM is ugly!
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16:44<dodo>sney_: yes, it seems the best option, I'll try that!
16:44<toni_>instead here is ok: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Twm.png
16:44<dodo>thank you all guys
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16:44<sney_>dodo: just make sure you set up the netmask, dns, and routing since it won't do that on its own without dhcp.
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16:46<adri>hi all
16:46<adri>Sorry, but I downloaded debian amd64 disc is only half full
16:47<adri>i386 is a whole disk
16:47<dodo>sney_: you mean the ordinary static configuration (http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually) address netmask and gateway?
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16:48<sney_>dodo: right
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16:48<adri>Is this normal?
16:49<sney_>adri: sorry, half full? which disc are you talking about
16:49<adri>debian 6.0.5 amd64
16:49<sney_>dodo: don't forget the part about the nameservers also
16:49<adri>after the burning
16:49<sney_>adri: which iso
16:49<adri>disk is not full but working
16:49<adri>iso file is 4.4 GB
16:50<sney_>which. one. was. it
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16:50<adri>but after the burning shows that the disc was recorded in half
16:51<adri>i dont know, but disk working
16:52<sney_>is there a problem or a question in there somewhere
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16:53<adri>No problem, I hope the disk is properly recorded
16:53<adri>have a nice night
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17:05<logictheo>How can I make the output of this command "dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc" be written to a text file of my choice?(is it possible)
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17:06<SynrG>you probably also want -us
17:06<SynrG>oh, -b, hm
17:06<SynrG>that's fine as-is
17:06<logictheo>alright.
17:07<SynrG>i would normally 2>&1 | tee > build.log
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17:07<SynrG>so i can see the build as it progresses but also log to build.log
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17:08<logictheo>what would I type if I wanted it to only be written without seeing the output?(I would do a tail -f in another terminal window/tab)
17:08<SynrG>just 2>&1 >build.log
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17:10<logictheo>Wow, thx. This is great. I just did a quick test with "ls 2>&1 >build.log"
17:11<SynrG>dissecting that, 2>&1 redirects file ordinal 2 (stderr) to stdout
17:12<SynrG>if no stderr output is expected, just > blah.log would be sufficient, but as a build may throw errors, we capture both
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17:14<logictheo>Ok, I'm happy with the help you gave me, thx again. Goodbye
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17:22<amr>hello all, this is my 1st day here and this is my 1st question here :) so I just installed debian so how to let it see my wifi ...?
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17:29<retrospectacus>amr: what's your wifi device?
17:29<retrospectacus>!tell amr about whats my wifi
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17:29<amr>all what I now is my labtop model which is hp pavilion g series
17:29<retrospectacus>!tell amr about wifi howto
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17:30<retrospectacus>amr: run this command in a terminal "lspci -nn" and identify the wireless device in the output. then copy and paste that line here
17:31<amr>Realteck semiconductor co., ltd. rtl8101e/rtl8102e pci express fast ethernet controller
17:32<retrospectacus>that's not copy and paste
17:32<retrospectacus>but ok
17:32<amr>Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 05)
17:32<amr>04:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device [10ec:5209] (rev 01)
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17:33<amr>is this better or you want me to copy all output?
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17:33<retrospectacus>that's perfect
17:33<retrospectacus>,pciid 10ec:8136
17:33<judd>[10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136
17:33<sney_>fast ethernet is not wifi
17:33<retrospectacus>oya
17:34<amr>I am confused her !!!
17:34<retrospectacus>ok those are not your wireless
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17:34<sney_>,pciid 10ec:5209
17:34<judd>[10ec:5209] is 'RTS5209 PCI Express Card Reader' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rts_pstor' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:5209
17:35<retrospectacus>put the entire output on http://paste.debian.net please amr
17:35<amr>okay, then I will try to search again, and will use your great support but now I have to run
17:35<amr>thank you so much so far
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17:54<dodo>good news: i found that "interface "eth0" send dhcp-requested-address x.x.x.x;" in resolv.conf did exactly what I was looking for (technically speaking, it implements DHCP rule 50), and it works!
17:54<dodo>bad news: googling I found someone reporting that dhclient3 in case of problems with the requested ip, instead of ending up with another address, gives up. So it seems that this approach doesn't have any advantage over a static ip configuration. :(
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18:03<toni_>do you know how to make kde apps with the same look of gnome apps in squeeze ??
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18:27<Kunda>is there an easy way to just tell crond to execute everything in an existing crontab "right now" without caring about the time... ..besides copy/paste/edit to bash script and so on ?
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18:30<retrospectacus>Kunda: I don't think so. That's kinda the opposite of what cron is for
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18:58<amr>Hello all again, so I was trying to know how to let my new debian see my wifi please check this link paste.debian.net/185335
19:00<devil>amr: http://wiki.debian.org/wl/
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19:08<athr31d>hi !
19:08<athr31d>it's my birtday tonight !!!
19:09<athr31d>yeahhh
19:09<athr31d>...
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19:15<piotr>hello
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19:17<amr>devil: thank you, so how can I know if my debian is Squeeze or Wheezy ?
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19:19<devil>amr: you should know what you installed. If not, it is most probably squeeze
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19:20<Jb_boin>cat /etc/issue
19:20<Jb_boin>and /etc/debian_version
19:21<Jb_boin>knowing that you can mix packages of squeeze and wheezy, it might be hard to tell which one you really have, but the version number and content of /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version are defined by the package base-files if i am right
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19:22<amr>devil: when I write >>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free in the terminal I got this message >> bash: deb: command not found ???
19:23<devil>amr: justz go to your sources.list and add contrib non-free to the debian line
19:23<Jb_boin>you are supposet to put that on your /etc/apt/sources.list (if its not already there)
19:23<devil>amr: but do not duplicate the line
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19:27<amr>so here is my sources.list file >>>>>>#
19:27<amr># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot i386 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20120129-11:36]/ squeeze main
19:27<amr>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot i386 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20120129-11:36]/ squeeze main
19:27<amr># Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
19:27-!-amr was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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19:33<amr>I try to edit my sources.list file but I can't make any change in it ?!!
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19:34<sney_>amr: you have to edit it as root
19:34<amr>how could I do this?
19:35<sney_>open a terminal, type 'su', press enter, type your root password, press enter, open the file in some editor
19:35<sney_>nano is pretty easy to use
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19:35<sney_>if you want to show us the contents of your sources.list, copy the whole thing and paste it to http://paste.debian.net/ and give us the link
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19:37<amr>here is my sources file >> paste.debian.net/185342
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19:37<amr>I added the last line but I can't save the save button is disabled
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19:37<retrospectacus>amr: you have to edit it as root
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19:38<sney_>and around and around we go
19:38<sney_>amr when you become root in a terminal window, you have to use the editor from that terminal window, it does not apply to everything
19:38<amr>I write su and enter the root password then I open the sources file using gedit
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19:38<amr>Ooooh, then how to open the sources file from the terminal windo where I am root?
19:39<sney_>try 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
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19:41<sney_>amr when you edit the file you should also remove the line for deb cdrom:
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19:41<amr>the line which start with deb cdrom not # deb cdrom ?
19:42<sney_>correct
19:42<sney_>any line that starts with # is considered a comment, and is ignored by apt
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19:42<amr>I removed the whole line
19:43<amr>and added deb http://ftp.us.debian.or/debian squeeze main contrib non-free as last line
19:43<sney_>.org not .or
19:43<amr>yes .org
19:43<sney_>ok, and you can also remove that http.us.debian.org line, you don't need more than one main entry
19:44<sney_>save the file, close it, run 'apt-get update', then follow the rest of the wiki instructions
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19:45<amr>sorry but how to save , in the short cut down there there is no save it's just exit /get help/ writeOut/ read file etc
19:45<sney_>write out is the same as save
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19:46<amr>okay thank you, I got the message wrote 11 lines, I will follow the wiki
19:47<sney_>don't forget to apt-get update
19:47<amr>while I am root or not?
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19:48<sney_>amr: while you are root. most system changes and update tasks can only be done as root
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19:49<amr>okay, thanks a lot
19:49<owen>Hey guys, looking for some help.
19:49<sney_>!ask
19:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:50<owen>Cant hear sound over a ATI HD 6870 through HDMI
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19:50<owen>Pavucontrol shows moving sound levels, and has the correct hardware, but no sound through monitor/Tv
19:51<owen>alsamixer is unmuted, and maxed volume
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19:51<sney_>do you hear sound through any other devices?
19:51<amr>now I write this in the terminal >># aptitude update
19:52<amr>and then this >># aptitude install module-assistant wireless-tools
19:52<amr>but nothing happend
19:52<owen>Dont have a ddicated sound card, and monitor does not have speakers to run from the onboard card on the mobo (which i have disabled in bios)
19:52<owen>Dont hear system sounds either
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19:53<retrospectacus>amr: "#" is not part of the command
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19:55<amr>yes I discover it now ,thank you
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20:05<amr>how to insert this line in the terminal: # echo blacklist brcm80211 >> /etc/modprobe.d/broadcom-sta-common.conf
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20:06<randomgry>just copy and paste?
20:06<sney_>exactly like it says but not with the #
20:06<amr>how to copy and paste as it didn't work
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20:06<amr>the paste function didn't paste any thing
20:07<sney_>then it didn't copy, try again
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20:08<amr>didn't work do I have to pick something from input methods menu?
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20:09<sney_>just type it in
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20:11<amr>I did. and nothing happens ,shall I continue?
20:12<sney_>yes, echo commands don't give any messages, they just work
20:12<amr>I write the whole line at once
20:12<amr>okay
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20:13<amr>in step #5 there is this part (uname -r) << should I replace unmae with my user name or write it as it is?
20:13<sney_>no, uname is a command
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20:15<amr>I got a lot of >> Possible missing firmware /lib/firmwar .................... lines
20:15<amr>should I continue ?
20:16<sney_>just follow all the directions on the wiki page and see if it works at the end
20:16<amr>okay
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20:18<amr>please check this >>paste.debian.net/185343
20:19<amr>I finished the 8 steps and this was the result
20:21<retrospectacus>copying and pasting: select some text with the mouse to copy, and middle-click (press the mouse wheel or both buttons) to paste
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20:22<amr>OMG yes the middle wheel button paste while right click -> paste didn't paste !!!!! thank you Sir
20:24<retrospectacus>it's kind of confusing, there are *two* copy-paste buffers ("clipboards") - one that just uses the mouse like I described and the one that uses the menu items or Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V
20:24<retrospectacus>but Ctrl-C and V do different things in the terminal so use the mouse select method
20:25<amr>thank you for the info, any comment on this >>paste.debian.net/185343
20:27<retrospectacus>anyways make sure you followed all the directions, run e.g. "cat /etc/modprobe.d/broadcom-sta-common.conf" to see what is in that file (the "echo" command should have written those words into that file) and make a paste page including all the commands and errors if you are getting them
20:27<retrospectacus>I have to go, good luck
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20:46<jm7>hello??
20:47<jm7>hellow??
20:47<jm7>know apt-wget???
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20:47<jm7>I'm develop apt-wget!!!
20:47-!-dnlrg [~daniel@93.146.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:48<jm7>I'm developper of the apt-wget!!!
20:48<jm7>sorry my english!!!
20:48<abrotman>hi ?
20:48<abrotman>do you need help with Debian ?
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20:49<jm7>no, I came to help
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20:49<abrotman>o okay
20:49<abrotman>!br
20:49<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:50<amr>hello is it possible to have gnome (this what I mean http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/) on my debian, if yes how?
20:50<abrotman>amr: in squeeze, no, in wheezy, yes
20:50<amr>:( I guess I am squeeze
20:51<abrotman>okay .. you can run wheezy, but it's currently
20:51<abrotman>okay .. you can run wheezy, but it's currently 'testing' and not all the bugs have been worked out
20:51<jm7>apt-wget you know?
20:51<amr>NO, how?
20:51<abrotman>!tell amr about squeeze->wheezy
20:51<jm7>apt-gwt off-line
20:51<jm7>apt-get off-line
20:51<amr>you mean I can run wheezy and gnome 3 over it without losing my current squeeze?
20:52<abrotman>no
20:52<abrotman>you 'upgrade' to wheezy
20:52<amr>and this will let me loss squeeze?
20:52<abrotman>sure, but yo'll be on wheezy
20:53<jm7>apt-wget generates scripts for apt-get using wget
20:53<amr>and is wheezy stable more than ubuntu 12 or what?
20:53<abrotman>jm7: this doesn't help
20:53<abrotman>amr: i can't comment, i haven't used 12.04 as a desktop
20:53<jm7>for those who do not have internet connection
20:53<amr>but squ... is more stable the wazy
20:54<abrotman>amr: yes, squeeze would be more stable, but wheezy is fairly stable
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20:54<jm7>I came to help who do not have internet connection ...
20:54<amr>I really like the gnome 3 shell but like the stabilatiy more ,so what is your advice for me?
20:55<abrotman>amr: i've been using wheezy for quite some time .. it's fairly stable. I only have one minor recurring issue that irritates me
20:55<abrotman>eh .. two
20:55<amr>which is ..........
20:55<jm7>in my country it is common to people without internet ...
20:56<amr>abrotman: which is .............
20:56<abrotman>one is, if i login via gdm3 too quickly, it seems to start sawfish instead of gnome-shell .. not a big ideal, i can fix that in 10 seconds .. other is that pidgin isn't really well integrated with gnome3, but that's not gnome3/debian/pidgin's fault
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20:56<jm7>maybe you guys (in EUA) are just rich
20:57<amr>is this issues are for all users with wizy + gnome3 or this is personal ?
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20:57<abrotman>amr: i don't know .. i haven't really tested it .. the pidgin/gnome3 is a plugin problem .. i need to look at why it doesn't work .. the other thing, i'm honestly not sure
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20:58<jm7>I developed the apt-wget for people excluded from internet
20:58<abrotman>...
20:58<abrotman>jm7: have you seen apt-zip ?
20:58<amr>so any one here can advice me to upgrade to wizy + gnome 3 or not
20:58<abrotman>amr: the bot already gave you instructions
20:59<jm7>abrotman: already heard
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20:59<jm7>apt-zip does not work ok ...
21:00<sney_>jm7: this is a support channel, if you want to suggest software for packaging this is not the place to do that
21:00<abrotman>!tell jm7 about nmg
21:01<amr>if I upgrade to wizy + gnome 3 and found it not stable can I be back to my current sys?
21:01<abrotman>wheezy
21:01<abrotman>amr: and no, not without reinstall
21:01<amr>yes wheezy
21:02<amr>OMG
21:02<abrotman>amr: i'd really be surprised if you had a huge issue
21:02<amr>any way it's okay I am ready as I just install the debian and I really love the gnome 3 shell
21:02<amr>so can any one guide me?
21:03<jm7>apt-wget is fully functional and better than apt-zip
21:03<abrotman>amr: the bot gave3 you instructions
21:03<jm7>tchauuuuuuuuuu
21:03<abrotman>jm7: please be quiet
21:03<amr>sorry I don't understand
21:04<abrotman>dpkg: tell amr about squeeze->wheezy
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21:04<amr>please ppl understand that my experiance in debian is less than 24hours and in linux is less than a week
21:04<jm7>where is place of the suggest software for packaging???
21:04<abrotman>jm7: please file an RFP
21:05<abrotman>amr: the bot(dpkg) gave you some instructions .. lok in your irc client for a message from dpkg
21:05<jm7> RFP???
21:05<sney_>jm7: http://mentors.debian.net/
21:06<abrotman>not quite ..
21:06<abrotman>jm7: http://wiki.debian.org/RFP
21:06<sney_>jm7: debian has several procedures for adding software. complaining in IRC is not one of them.
21:06<amr>ahaaa now I got it
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21:07<jm7>okay, tanks ... I'm sorry ... bye ...
21:08<amr>So how to upgrade to wheezy
21:08<abrotman>amr: the bot told you
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21:08<abrotman>dpkg: squeeze->wheezy
21:08<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you may have a slightly bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
21:08<abrotman>there you go
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21:10<amr>but if I removed those lines I will lose my wifi driver or what?
21:10<abrotman>you shouldn't if you do it correctly
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21:11<jm7>amr ... recompile or get to debian wheezy!!!
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21:11<amr>how?
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21:11<jm7>the same way you did in debian squeeze
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21:12<amr>in the sources.list fine when line start with # is this means it is comment/disabled line?
21:12<abrotman>jm7: please stop
21:13<abrotman>amr: that's a comment or disabled repository
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21:15<jm7>abrotman: why??
21:15<abrotman>you're not helping
21:15<jm7>abrotman: you???
21:16<abrotman>...
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21:16<jm7>....
21:16<jm7>...
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21:17<rayj>If is is desited to revert back to squeeze after the update from squeeze -> wheezy, a recovery method would be good. Isn't there a way capture the current configuration to reinstall back to the desired configuration step. I have read about a method to build a preseed but I don't know the fidelity of the recovery.
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21:18<abrotman>rayj: yes, but you still have to reinstall
21:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 500] by debhelper
21:22<rayj>Are there different choices for producing a preseed file and if so, any commnets as to a prefered method?
21:23<abrotman>preseed for which part? list of packages? package choices?
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21:57<TEST>I'm learning how to use the 'at' command. Need to save output to a file. Could you tell why this command isn't working?
21:57<TEST>echo date | at now + 1 minutes > test.txt 2>&1
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21:57<TEST>I don't get the date to the file
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21:58<nevyn>test.txt contains the result of that command
21:58<nevyn>if you look at the at job. the redirect won't be in it.
21:58<TEST>it should
21:58<abrotman>it should?
21:58<nevyn>no. the shell gobbles it.
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21:59<TEST>so how can I get it to a file?
22:00<nevyn>echo "date > test.txt 2>&1" | at now 1 minutes
22:00<nevyn>oop there's a + missing
22:01<TEST>ok. got it. thanks
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22:05<owen>Doesn Gnome 3 have a built in workspace app, or should i apt-get one?
22:05<abrotman>built in
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22:07<owen>Key short cut or gui? Not finding it under Applications..
22:07<abrotman>owen: maybe i'm misunderstading
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22:08<abrotman>when i click Activities, it shows the workspaces on the right
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22:08<owen>lol. User error. Didnt see it
22:08<owen>Thanks
22:09<abrotman>enjoy!
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22:09<abrotman>also shows up when i hit the Windows key
22:10<owen>Ctrl+Alt+ Up|Down to swap also. Neat....now I have to go back solving my sound issue :(
22:14<abrotman>wha tsound issue?
22:15<owen>Probably easier if you read: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=83519
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22:16*abrotman looks
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22:19<abrotman>i like the 'nee ATI'
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22:19<abrotman>owen: did you install firmware-linux-nonfree ?
22:19<abrotman>oh, i see
22:19<owen>abrotman: Yup
22:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 500] by debhelper
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22:20<abrotman>owen: and cat /proc/asound/cards .. shows how many ?
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22:20*abrotman has no idea what "29 [ThinkPadEC ]: ThinkPad EC - ThinkPad Console Audio Control" is
22:21<owen>Just one: 0 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
22:21<owen> HD-Audio Generic at 0xfdafc000 irq 44
22:22<abrotman>wonder if that powers your regular audio and your hdmi
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22:23<abrotman>holy mother .. aplay -L for me is like 20 lines
22:23<owen>Do you have a dedicated sound card?
22:23<abrotman>it's a laptop
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22:24<owen> O_o
22:24<abrotman>just sayin!
22:24<abrotman>it has a modem, which seems to be responsible for a lot of it
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22:27<abrotman>my entire experience with linux and a tv is related to a macmini with a radeon card that has a regression and no longer works (and Xorg -configure on ppc seems to segfault)
22:28<owen>lovely
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22:28<abrotman>you're not kidding :)
22:28<abrotman>it worked with lenny, yay
22:28<owen>I could enable the onboard card, but then I need cables... and speakers...I hate clutter!
22:29<owen>I did try this with lenny, but I had the same issue, which is why I went wheezy
22:29*abrotman is pretty sure HDMI requires a cable
22:30<owen>lol
22:31<owen>Singular..one
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22:33<owen>with asound.src, does this do in ~ or in /etc/ ?
22:33<owen>go in*
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22:35<abrotman>i'd guess in /etc/, but i've not messed with alsa enough to be a great source of information
22:36<owen>Rightio, going to see if I can force alsa to change it's default card...
22:37<magyar>hi, what am i missing in kde to mount usb devices?
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22:41<nevyn>abrotman: it's the thinkpad HID volume controls (I kid not)
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22:43<abrotman>nevyn: i guess i used to use tpb for that
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22:50<owen>hmm, wen I use aplay -D to play a sound card through hw:0,3 I get a message saying : main:682: audio open error: Device or resource busy
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23:47<owen>To use boot parameters in grub, it says to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst. If this file does not exist, do I create it, or has it changed to wheezy?
23:47<owen>in wheezy*
23:49<sney>owen: in debian, grub config files are stored in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d
23:50<sney>owen: then running update-grub updates the files in /boot
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23:53<owen>sney: So if I need to add 'radeon.audio=1' as a boot param, I can just add it to /etc/default/grub and update?
23:53<sney>yes
23:54<owen>Sweet, thanks. Will report
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23:57<owen>ugh, got an error message: /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 34: /etc/default/grub: radeon.audio=1: not found
23:57<sney>well you have to add it in the right place, you can't just throw it into the config file
23:58<sney>iirc there are GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT for adding kernel boot parameters, one of them usually has 'quiet' already in it, you can put yours in either one
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