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00:07<Alam_Lenny>xjjk: I use systemd
00:08<xjjk>how's the integration?
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00:08<xjjk>I don't know much about it, but I imagine there are events of some sort for things like networking coming up, filesystems mounted…
00:08<xjjk>none of these fire w/ Upstart on Debian
00:09<xjjk>so scripts from Ubuntu don't work on Debian
00:09<xjjk>it's very annoying
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00:10<Alam_Lenny>xjjk: great with Debian's init scripts, but you have 3rd party ones (like VMware's vmplayer) you need modify them to sysvinit fields
00:11<xjjk>Alam_Lenny: er, what does great w/ Debian's init scripts mean… just runs them in a compatibility mode?
00:11<xjjk>that doesn't seem useful…
00:11<Alam_Lenny>debian's systemd packages comes with a lot of services units
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00:15<Alam_Lenny>also the follow packages also have systemd units: acpid avahi-daemon avahi-dnsconfd bluez bootchart2 colord consolekit dbus consolekit lm-sensors memlockd network-manager policykit-1 rsync rsyslog rtkit sudo udev udisks2 udisks upower wpasupplicant
00:15<Alam_Lenny>I know there are a few more packages, but I do not have them install on my system
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00:18<xjjk>short list
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00:21<xjjk>Alam_Lenny: seems enough to try out on a spare system, thanks!
00:21<Alam_Lenny>I have alot more in /etc/systemd/system, but I only make/convert them if I see them at the top of the blame list and made 2 sockets units, one for rsyncd and mpd
00:22<xjjk>submit them back as patches for the Debian packages?
00:22<xjjk>I'm wondering why no one does the same for Upstart…
00:23<Alam_Lenny>the mpd socket is for my own compiled copy of mpd which have systemd support
00:23<Alam_Lenny>the rsync sockets does not listen to /etc/default/rsync file
00:24<xjjk>eh, gotchas… I'm not a fan of those
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00:25<Alam_Lenny>I could submit the set I made for resolvconf
00:26<Alam_Lenny>hmm, the irqbalance.service need a patch from git for --foreground support
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00:31<__d>Hello, all.
00:31<Alam_Lenny>xjjk: http://alam.srb2.org/systemd_debian/
00:32<xjjk>Alam_Lenny: thanks!
00:33<Alam_Lenny>yea, as a note: some services unit need DefaultDependencies=no if they start up very early in the boot, if you do not want it, you will have a very broken systemd init setup
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00:34<xjjk>does systemd need stuff to run in the foreground
00:34<Alam_Lenny>no, systemd redirect stdout/stderr to the syslog
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00:34<xjjk>why does irqbalance need to run in the foreground?
00:35<Alam_Lenny>but most program forked themself into the background, disconnecting the stdout/stderr handles
00:35<Alam_Lenny>it make it easy on systemd to know what pid goes with what service
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00:36<xjjk>hrm
00:36<xjjk>Upstart handles that fine, I think…
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00:43<Alam_Lenny>xjjk: the thing is, with the stdout/stderr hooked into the syslog/journal, I can do this: http://pastebin.com/2PMNLGkU I can got the last few mesages from the program
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00:44<Alam_Lenny>hmm, why do I have memlockd.service disabled?
00:44<xjjk>I'm not interested in journal very much
00:44<xjjk>but nice feature otherwise
00:46<Alam_Lenny>oh, my old etc memlockd.service is overwrite the lib version
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00:48<Alam_Lenny>no, my version read /etc/default/memlockd and pass DAEMON_OPTS and also tell systemd the PID file, BUT I seem to forget to reenable it when memlockd included it's own service unit...
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01:27<rSw>> i have weird question how do i enable user account so in shell they can see last commands entered because now when i press up it just shows some characters
01:29<z_marco>man history
01:36<rSw>yes but how do i add it :s
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01:49<rSw>pls a bit of help :D
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02:04<Osiris_X>rSw: are you referring to bash-completion?
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02:05<Not_Jak>I need help with a kernel panic! The panic is: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount rootfs on unknown-block(0,0)
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02:07<z_marco>Osiris_X: I'm still stuck at "when i press up".
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02:08<rSw>yes but i found it :D
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02:09<rSw>change bin/sh to bin/bash
02:09<rSw>in passwd
02:09<rSw>now it looks like normal shell
02:09<Osiris_X>rSw: :) yes the 1st step is to be actually using the bash shell
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02:09<Osiris_X>for history, bash-completion etc
02:10<rSw>bin/bash-completion ?
02:10<Osiris_X>rSw: /usr/share/bash-completion
02:10<rSw>nvm it already does it
02:10<z_marco>Ohhhh..
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02:11<Osiris_X>rSw: usually required some modification to /etc/bash.bashrc or ~/.bashrc to activate it
02:11<Osiris_X>(as does command-not-found and autojump dir completion which I also find useful)
02:12<rSw>the user created in installation had that but the other users were created by some script
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02:21<Not_Jak>Can anybody help me with my kernel panic?
02:21<jj>what kernel panic ya having there buddy
02:21<Not_Jak>Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount rootfs on unknown-block(0,0)
02:22<Not_Jak>I've already tried rebuilding initramfs
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02:22<nbags>Not_Jak: what did you do before this error started?
02:22<Not_Jak>Set up my boot loader. I have yet to successfully boot Linux once
02:23<Not_Jak>I have a UEFI motherboard, so I already set up the /boot partition
02:23<nbags>Not_Jak: check the root= option on your kernel command line
02:23<Not_Jak>Is that under grub.cfg?
02:24<nbags>Not_Jak: i think so
02:24<nbags>Not_Jak: you should also be able to change it on-the-fly in your bootloader
02:25<Not_Jak>I don't see any lines that say "root=...", but I see a couple of lines that say: set root='hd0,msdos5'
02:25<Not_Jak>My root partition is sda5
02:27<nbags>Not_Jak: looks right then. what filesystem are you using (on /dev/sda5)? are you using a default kernel or something custom?
02:27<nbags>Not_Jak: try adding root=/dev/sda5 to the kernel command line as well
02:28<Not_Jak>I'm using EFI System (0xEF, basically FAT32).
02:28<nbags>Not_Jak: the line that starts with 'linux /boot/vmlinuz ....'
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02:28<nbags>Not_Jak: i'm talking about your rootfs, not /boot ...
02:28<Not_Jak>Hm, it's referencing root by it's UUID
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02:28<nbags>Not_Jak: that should be ok then, as long as the UUID is correct
02:29<Not_Jak>Oh, my bad. I'm using ext4 or root
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02:29<nbags>Not_Jak: can u take a screenshot/photo?
02:30<nbags>Not_Jak: maybe it can't load the initrd. the root stuff looks ok
02:30<Not_Jak>I'm afraid not
02:30<Ormie>is there a way to install wheezy and install gnome 2 manually?
02:30<Not_Jak>The cfg file is loading initrd correctly
02:30<jj>does anyone know how to set up wireless card on backtrack
02:31<nbags>Not_Jak: are u using a default kernel? does it have ext4 support?
02:31<Ormie>jj, this is the debian support chan.
02:31<Ormie>!basedondebian
02:31<Ormie>?
02:31<nbags>Not_Jak: also, when it boots can you see a line that its properly detecting /dev/sda5 as ext4?
02:31<jj>i know yeah but thought you guys may know
02:31<Ormie>k
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02:33<Not_Jak>nbags: I am using a kernel with ext4 support, and it doesn't display anything before the kernel panic hits
02:33<nbags>Not_Jak: nothing about ext4 hey?
02:34<nbags>Not_Jak: does it say anything about /dev/sda?
02:34<Not_Jak>nbags: Nothing
02:34<nbags>Not_Jak: also is your /boot on /dev/sda or somewhere in EFI land?
02:34<Not_Jak>nbags: It's on /dev/sda1
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02:36<nbags>Not_Jak: you could try adding rootdelay=5 so it waits 5 seconds before mounting root
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02:36<nbags>Not_Jak: in case its just trying to mount before drivers are loaded
02:36<Not_Jak>nbags: Okay, I'll try that
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02:37<milo64>KindTwo, please see my PM
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02:44<Not_Jak>nbags: No luck :/
02:45<nbags>Not_Jak: its probably something EFI-related, which im not familiar with. a full screenshot would help though
02:45<Not_Jak>What do you need a screenshot of?
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02:46<nbags>Not_Jak: the last page or so of the kernel booting
02:47<nbags>Not_Jak: if its not saying anything about sda or ext4 then it could be a driver issue (sata/sas driver). i.e. the kernel or initrd lacks the required driver
02:47<Not_Jak>Literally the only thing that is being shown is the kernel panic. Would you like me to PM you what it prints?
02:48<Not_Jak>nbags: Literally the only thing that is being shown is the kernel panic. Would you like me to PM you what it prints?
02:48<nbags>why not
02:49<Not_Jak>Okay, this will take a minute to type up
02:49<nbags>Not_Jak: there probably isnt much i can do to help :( don';t bother
02:49<Not_Jak>Alright :/
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03:21<Not_Jak>Darn it! I keep running into a problem that's extremely annoying. I have yet to boot Linux successfully, so I've been using the Live CD. I keep trying to change a .cfg file, but every time I reboot the changes I've made are erased!
03:22<Not_Jak>I've done it as root as well as after chrooting in to /root (/dev/sda5)
03:23<Not_Jak>Does anybody know how to change it so any changes I make to my /boot partition are permanent?
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03:24<ompaul>Not_Jak: what are you trying to install on?
03:24<Not_Jak>A 320GB HDD
03:25<ompaul>in what kind of hardware
03:25<ompaul>what make
03:25<Not_Jak>Specifically, I'm trying to change the grub.cfg file on my boot partition (/dev/sda1)
03:25<Not_Jak>Oh, ASRock Z77 Extreme4 motherboard (UEFI)
03:25<ompaul>right
03:25<Not_Jak>It's a computer I built
03:25<ompaul>what kernel are you trying to install
03:26<ompaul>what version of debian
03:26<Not_Jak>Arch, actually. I only ask here because this is the only IRC channel on the internet where I can get any help, though
03:26<ompaul>well here's the gig
03:26<ompaul>!arch
03:26<dpkg>it has been said that arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>.
03:26<ompaul>so kindly go away
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03:27<Not_Jak>Will you at least tell me if there's an easy fix so I can edit the file? Or am I just screwed and stuck with #arch-linux (which is dead)?
03:27<ompaul>if you said you wanted to install debian I'd have an answer
03:27<Not_Jak>I see how it is.
03:27<ompaul>I have no idea what arch do
03:27<ompaul>you are getting a panic
03:28<ompaul>I know how to use debian on uefi not to
03:28<Not_Jak>I imagine that the fix would be exactly the same (most errors I've hit so far are NOT Arch-specific)
03:28<ompaul>hint - chroot the partition and run the grub setup but that won't fix a panic
03:28<ompaul>debian will
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03:29<ompaul>so give up with the stupid game and use debian and get real help
03:29<Not_Jak>I am seriously considering installing Debian, because I've been trying to install Arch for 5 days with no avail. I only finally set up the boot loader today. If I were to install Debian, is there an easy fix to this problem?
03:29<ompaul>http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
03:30<ompaul>get your installer from there the guy is a debian dev and makes good kernel
03:30<ompaul>that will solve it
03:30<Not_Jak>Can you recommend a distro?
03:30<ompaul>debian
03:31<ompaul>with that installer
03:31<ompaul>have fun
03:31<Not_Jak>As in, Squeeze, Lenny, or Etch
03:31<ompaul>it's squeeze
03:31<ompaul>you start with stable
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03:31<ompaul>learn how to do stuff
03:31<Not_Jak>Alright.
03:31<ompaul>then you work out if you want to dabble in the testing or unstable space
03:31<dmitry>ive just installed google chrome and i cant find the icon
03:32<Not_Jak>Well, I'll let you get back to helping actual Debian users.
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03:33<dmitry>So how to retrieve the icon of google chrome?
03:34<ompaul>dmitry: have a look at this - I don't know because I don't use it - http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=92197
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03:37<dmitry>ty worked
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03:55<chrisirc>Hello. How can I selectively upgrade packages without setting their flag that I wish them to be installed?
03:55<chrisirc>You know, that flag that prevents them from being removed by apt-get auto-remove.
03:56<ectospasm>chrisirc: for package in $package_list; do aptitude install $package; done
03:57<chrisirc>(I'm on 3G and upgrading stuff like openoffice which I'm not currently using doesn't make sense; so I want to e.g. upgrade dhcp3-client and its depenency isc-dhcp-client without setting the want-to-remain-installed flag on isc-dhcp-client,
03:57<chrisirc>so that when I remove dhcp3-client in the future it won't hold back isc-dhcp-client from being removed, too.)
03:57<ectospasm>the aptitude install command both installs and upgrades packages.
03:58<chrisirc>ectospasm, doesn't aptitude install set that flag I'm talking about?
03:58<chrisirc>apt-get install does.
03:58<chrisirc>afaik.
04:01<chrisirc>Is there a way to get the *list* of packages that have that flag? And reset the flags?
04:01<ectospasm>I don't see any reference to such a flag in aptitude's man page. What's the proper name of that flag?
04:01<chrisirc>I don't know.
04:01<chrisirc>I just know that apt-get autoremove will not remove packages that "know" that the user wants them.
04:01<chrisirc>So there must be a bit somewhere saying that.
04:02<ectospasm>hmmm... it's packages that were automatically installed
04:02<chrisirc>And this bit is set then you issue on foo "apt-get install foo", but not on bar even if bar is a dependency of foo and installed along the way.
04:02<chrisirc>But if you issue "apt-get install bar", then bar will remain installed, too.
04:03<chrisirc>So there must be that bit somewhere.
04:03<ectospasm>you can set that with aptitude install ${package}&M
04:03<chrisirc>aaha.
04:04<chrisirc>So that'd be for p in $list; do aptitude install $p&M; done
04:04<chrisirc>ah that probably won't upgrade actually?
04:04<chrisirc>So I still need to know what the bit was beforehand.
04:04<ectospasm>you may want to issue an echo between do and aptitude, just to verify it does what you want.
04:06<chrisirc>As I said, I'm not there yet. I need to know the current status for this.
04:06<ectospasm>well, the &M simply marks the package as having been automatically installed, which looks like makes it autoremove fodder
04:06<chrisirc>Yes, and as I don't want to ponder for every package whether it was non-auto-installed, I need to query it first, then install it, then restore the flag.
04:06<ectospasm>you can do aptitude search $list, and see which packages are marked with "i A"
04:06<chrisirc>Aha.
04:07<chrisirc>Good.
04:08<ectospasm>Honestly I don't use the autoremove feature at all, so I'm just trying to think it through with you.
04:08<ectospasm>I hope I'm helping.
04:08<chrisirc>That *was* helpful.
04:09<chrisirc>I'm wondering why apt-get doesn't have any of this.
04:09<chrisirc>(I guess apt is really too old now?)
04:10<ectospasm>well, apt is the package manager which is a frontend to dpkg, from what I understand, and apt-get and aptitude are two frontends to apt.
04:10<chrisirc>yeah, I think that's right.
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04:11<ectospasm>synaptic and update-manager are two more frontends to apt
04:11<chrisirc>But apt-get is part of the apt package.
04:11<chrisirc>So, that still makes it strange that if aptitude goes through apt, and hence apt is the tool that learnt about that new flag, that apt's own UI hasn't been updated.
04:11<ectospasm>right... there are a collection of utilities in apt such as apt-get, apt-cache, etc.
04:12<ectospasm>But apt is a subsystem where the CLI utilities apt-get, et. al. function, just like aptitude.
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04:13<chrisirc>Not sure what you're trying to say with that last sentence.
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04:13<ectospasm>apt-get provides a different interface, and by some respects full of more features than aptitude. By other respects, aptitude has more.
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04:14<dmitry>ive just installed google earth and no icon appeared
04:14<ectospasm>like if you run aptitude with no options, you get an ncurses TUI
04:14<chrisirc>Yes. Now if aptitude is able to show which packages are auto-installed, and it accesses the package database purely by using the 'apt' package, then the apt package must be able to provide that info.
04:14<ectospasm>dmitry: what DE are you using
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04:15<dmitry>what is DE?
04:15<chrisirc>But then why have the user-accessible parts of the apt package, namely apt-get and the like, not been updated to be able to show that info, too?
04:15<ectospasm>dmitry: Desktop Environment, like GNOME or KDE
04:15<dmitry>Gnome
04:16<chrisirc>(Since they are part of the same 'apt' package as whatever aptitude is supposedly using.)
04:16<ectospasm>dmitry: did you install Google Earth via apt?
04:16<dmitry>yes
04:17<ectospasm>chrisirc: like I said, different implementations. apt-cache should show it, but it doesn't look like it shows that info by default.
04:18<chrisirc>No, what I want to say is:
04:18<ectospasm>dmitry: do you remember whether the Google Earth installation procedure updated your GNOME menu configuration?
04:18<chrisirc>if people writing the 'apt' package source code, which includes the apt-get and apt-cache tools, added the feature to query the auto status to their code,
04:18<ectospasm>dmitry: you may need to log out and log back in to update the menu
04:18<chrisirc>why didn't they also add code to the apt-get and apt-cache tools at the same time?
04:19<dmitry>ok ill try
04:19<chrisirc>Since they were already doing that work on their own code base?
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04:19<ectospasm>chrisirc: apt proper is at a different layer
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04:19<ectospasm>apt-get et. al. is simply a set of commands to interface with the apt layer. aptitude is a different command to access the apt layer
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04:21<chrisirc>Yes, but if you write a lower layer of software and an upper layer on top to access it, and now you add features to your software lower layer, why would you not also expose those features in your *own* upper layer tools?
04:21<chrisirc>And instead only wait for someone else updating a different upper layer (aptitude) that's not your own?
04:22<dmitry>no icon
04:22<ectospasm>dmitry: I dunno, you may need to add the icon yourself.
04:22<dmitry>how?
04:22<chrisirc>If that's really what happened then that was stupid because testing becomes more difficult, your own upper layer becomes less worthwhile to use, and if you'd want to add it later then it's going to be more work to remember how to do it correctly.
04:23<ectospasm>dmitry: dmitry right-click on the menu, choose the menu editor. I don't really know, I don't use the menus in GNOME very much
04:23<ectospasm>chrisirc: I think you're misinterpreting things.
04:23<chrisirc>Maybe that's not what happened and I'm missing a way to access that data with the tools present in 'apt' (and I *do* wonder how aptitude gets at the flag).
04:23<ectospasm>the apt layer I speak of isn't a separate package
04:23<chrisirc>Yes, I get that. Which is what I'm doing.
04:23<chrisirc>ehr saying.
04:24<ectospasm>the apt package you refer to is the set of tools (apt-get, apt-cache, etc.) which are an interface to the apt databases.
04:24<chrisirc>And how does aptitude access that database?
04:24<ectospasm>the same way apt-get,apt-cache, et. al. do
04:24<chrisirc>With code from which package?
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04:25<ectospasm>aptitude and apt
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04:25<chrisirc>So, does aptitude use code from apt or not?
04:25<chrisirc>from apt the package.
04:25<ectospasm>share some libraries I'm sure
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04:26<dmitry>ok ty
04:26<chrisirc>Yes, that's what I'm thinking, too. So in which code base do those libraries reside? Who wrote them?
04:26<ectospasm>they're both frontends to using the apt (system, not package)
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04:26<ectospasm>chrisirc: since apt is maintained by the Debian community, I'd imagine Debian developers.
04:26<chrisirc>Yes but I want to know who wrote the code for that "system"
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04:27<chrisirc>Does it matter if it's a group or one person?
04:27<chrisirc>Hm.
04:27<ectospasm>apt is maintained by the APT Development Team
04:28<ectospasm>...as is aptitude
04:28<ectospasm>see "aptitude show <package>" for details.
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04:29<chrisirc>Ok so your point is that my assumption that the core apt layer was originally written by a small group of people who also wrote apt-get and apt-cache, and that aptitude was then written on top of this core layer by a different group of people, is wrong.
04:30<ectospasm>right, I guess.
04:30<chrisirc>(My assumption also included that the original small group would have extended the core layer with the new flag.)
04:30<chrisirc>Fair enough.
04:30<chrisirc>So that makes "apt" (the tools) to be too old now.
04:31<chrisirc>(the user accessible tools, apt-get, apt-cache)
04:31<ectospasm>actually, there are a lot of configuration options you can apply to the apt tools
04:31<ectospasm>...perhaps aptitude has different defaults
04:31<chrisirc>Anyway it was always a mess and I'd love some article teach me how the pieces all interact.
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04:32<ectospasm>I'm sure if you modify your apt configuration you can get the apt tools to behave identically to aptitude (wherever possible)
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04:39<ectospasm>chrisirc: the Wikipedia article on apt seems like it may help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool
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04:41<ectospasm>chrisirc: and the library is libapt-pkg
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05:12<StyXman>is it normal that there are no seeders for latest netinst cd image?
05:12<weasel>I wouldn't be overly surprised
05:12<weasel>most people probably just fetch it via http
05:12<StyXman>:(
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05:13<ectospasm>yeah, netinst images are relatively small, not usually a reason to torrent them.
05:13<weasel>StyXman: also, according to our mirror and CD people, http is almost always better,
05:13<weasel>StyXman: and it's nicer to the servers
05:14<weasel>the only reason we offer torrents is because it's less of a hassle to offer them as opposed to explaining to our users that HTTP produces less load on our system and theirs
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05:15<StyXman>heeh, one node came up
05:15<StyXman>I got from ~50K/s to ~630K/s flat
05:16<weasel>the webserver can give it to you an order of magnitude faster
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05:17<weasel>30% [===========> ] 54,880,488 10.6M/s eta 13s
05:17<StyXman>weasel: I figure, but then using the official link I got a server en .fi
05:17<StyXman>in finland*
05:17<weasel>(stupid 100mbit switch)
05:18<StyXman>~18m instead of 1h+
05:18<StyXman>well, I guess I'll just leave mine up
05:18<weasel>the netinst is only 160m. it shouldn't take an hour
05:19<weasel>where are you?
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05:20<StyXman>.fr
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05:21<StyXman>and I got a server in sweden, not finland as I said previously
05:22<StyXman>http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/7665
05:23<weasel>StyXman: that sounds fine.
05:23<weasel>StyXman: you could also try with -4, if your ipv6 connectivity is not good
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05:24<StyXman>weasel: and what about no ipv6 at all?
05:24<weasel>well, your paste shows you went there with ipv6
05:25<StyXman>did I? wow
05:25<weasel>if you didn't have ipv6, wget wouldn't have used it
05:25<weasel>Connecting to napoleon.acc.umu.se (napoleon.acc.umu.se)|2001:6b0:e:2018::173|:80... connected.
05:25<StyXman>yeah, I see
05:25<StyXman>I'm utterly suprised
05:25<weasel>why?
05:26<StyXman>I never configured anything to hve ipv6
05:26<StyXman>and this is a ~4yo machine
05:26<StyXman>which normally had ipv4 only
05:27<StyXman>maybe my IPS started offering ipv6 in ipv6's day
05:27<weasel>well, somebody on your network is announcing ipv6 and you apparently picked it up
05:27*StyXman checks the router
05:27<weasel>ip -6 r
05:27<StyXman>yeas, ipv6 is activated
05:28<StyXman>wow
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05:29<StyXman>but the rest of the router's web iface shows no ipv6 IPs
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05:29<weasel>on your host, just run 'ip a' to see all your adresses
05:29<weasel>you will find you have at least one ipv6 global address
05:29<StyXman>I cannot even configure DHCP to deliver static ipv6 IPs
05:30<weasel>ipv6 doesn't do dhcp
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05:30<weasel>(there is dhcp6, but you don't need it to get an address)
05:30<StyXman> inet6 addr: 2a02:8420:40a5:3700:21f:3cff:fe39:acfb/64 Scope:Global
05:30<weasel>you get your address by stateless autoconfiguration
05:30<StyXman>weasel: yes, I'll have to relearn my IP now :)
05:30<weasel>basically your router announces a prefix, 2a02:8420:40a5:3700::/64,
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05:30<StyXman>(as the protocol, I mean)
05:30<weasel>and your host just picks an address in that network
05:31<StyXman>do you happen to know a good book about ipv6?
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05:31<weasel>not really, sorry
05:31<StyXman>I just feel old :)
05:31<StyXman>weasel: k, np
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05:32<StyXman>k, thanks anyways
05:32<StyXman>I'll get back to using the cdimage
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05:48<lukas>have a new thinkpad x230 but my wireless seems not to work (debian squeeze)
05:49<lukas>shouldnt the intel wifi drivers be built into kernel 3.2?
05:54<ectospasm>lukas: I had problems running squeeze on my Thinkpad x120e, I'd recommend wheezy. As for whether the Intel drivers are included with 3.2, I can't answer
05:55<ectospasm>...also, don't forget that many wireless adapters require non-free firmware to run
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05:57<lukas>okay wheezy could be worth a try.
05:57<ectospasm>...or if that should fail, sid
05:57<lukas>i read this on http://intellinuxwireless.org/
05:57<ectospasm>but for now, wheezy and sid are very similar
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05:57<lukas>that the drivers are in the kernel
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05:58<ectospasm>lukas: that still may mean you need non-free firmware...
05:58<lukas>yeah i tried that too. installed firmware-iwlwifi
05:59<ectospasm>...but of course, I don't remember much about my wireless NIC, except that it needed nonfree firmware and the drivers didn't work in squeeze.
05:59<lukas>a modprobe iwlagn worked, too, but there is still no wlan0 module
05:59<lukas>hmm okay. then it really might be better to try squeeze
05:59<lukas>before i get insane ;)
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06:02<ectospasm>well, wheezy is feature-frozen now, it's going to become the stable distro in short order
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06:02<lukas>okay, so there is no reason NOT to use wheezy right?
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06:03<lukas>sorry, i wanted to say "it might be better to try wheezy" before
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06:03<ectospasm>unless you can't tolerate the potential lingering instabilities of wheezy in a production environment, go with testing/wheezy
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06:04<ectospasm>...when it transitions to the current stable release, you'll be on stable without having to upgrade anything
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06:04<toni_>in how many years, squeeze will be removed from archives?
06:04<lukas>okay. can i upgrade to wheezy from within squeeze or do i need to reformat/reinstall?
06:05<ectospasm>toni_: probably two or so, but that's just my guess. Wheezy will be removed from the archives in about four years.
06:05<ectospasm>...again, that's just a guess from my experience.
06:05<ectospasm>the debian development team could always change the release cycle periodicity
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06:06<ectospasm>lukas: you should be able to upgrade from squeeze->wheezy
06:06<ectospasm>dpkg, tell lukas about squeeze->wheezy
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06:07<lukas>thanks ectopasm you've been a great help :)
06:07<ectospasm>lukas: not that downgrading (testing->stable) is not currently possible, the upgrade is a one-way operation
06:07<ectospasm>s/not/note/
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06:10<lukas>yes, that i know ;)
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06:17<dino>irc://irc.futureshell.org/stella^nascente
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06:57<amrosama>please tell me the link to pastebin
06:58<ectospasm>amrosama: paste.debian.org
06:58<ectospasm>amrosama: or pastebin.com, or pastie.org, or... or... pastebin.ca
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06:59<amrosama>ectospasm: thank you
07:00<amrosama>so please check <script src='http://pastie.org/4585553.js'></script> and tell me how to setup my graphical card in debian
07:00<ectospasm>hmmmm, I mistrust that JavaScript link
07:01<ectospasm>sorry, not gonna click it.
07:01<amrosama>I used pastie.org,
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07:02<amrosama>check this http://pastie.org/4585553
07:02<ectospasm>I don't have a radeon card, but this may help: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
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07:02<amrosama>thank you
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07:10<amrosama>please check http://pastie.org/4585583
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07:10<amrosama>I think this link ...../ATiHowTo is not my help link ?
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07:13<ectospasm>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc NI Seymour [AMD Radeon HD 6470M] << Looks like a Radeon card to me...
07:13<ectospasm>amrosama: ^
07:13<amrosama>sorry but what ^ means?
07:13<ectospasm>amrosama: a poor man's up arrow.
07:14<amrosama>but what about his result http://pastie.org/4585583
07:14<amrosama>or i just have to continue ?
07:15<ectospasm>amrosama: you keep posting the same lspci output
07:17<ectospasm>oops, they looked too similar
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07:17<amrosama>OMG sorry I mean to post the result of grep drm_radeon /boot/config-$(uname -r) line
07:17<ectospasm>amrosama: do you have nonfree in /etc/apt/sources.list?
07:17<ectospasm>er, non-free
07:19<amrosama>yes last line last part is >>> squeeze main contrib non-free
07:20<amrosama>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free
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07:22<ectospasm>amrosama: looks like you already have the nonfree firmware installed
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07:25<amrosama>okay so I will move to next step
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07:28<amrosama>how to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
07:29<ectospasm>dpkg, tell amrosama about xorg.conf
07:30<amrosama>I browse to etc/x11 but I can't see xorg.conf
07:31<amrosama>there is xwrapper ,xsession ,xvmcconfig ,xreset but not xorg.conf which in the wiki tells me to edit it?!!!
07:31<ectospasm>amrosama: are you familiar with creating plain text files?
07:32<amrosama>then I have to create a new file
07:32<amrosama>okay, I will see what I can do
07:32<ectospasm>amrosama: and like dpkg said, xorg.conf is best left blank if you've got squeeze onwards
07:33<ectospasm>the wiki can be and probably is out of date
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07:34<amrosama>I used gedit and create a new file but when I came to save it in /etc/x11/xorg.conf I got >> you do not have the permissions nec .........
07:35<ectospasm>right, because you're creating xorg.conf as a regular, non root (so-called "superuser)
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07:35<amrosama>so how to create it while I am su?
07:36<ectospasm>do you have a favorite CLI text editor?
07:36<ectospasm>if you mainly use gedit, you might find nano to be helpful
07:36<ectospasm>amrosama: what are you trying to achieve, exactly?
07:36<ectospasm>Unless you know what you're doing, I wouldn't program xorg.conf
07:37<amrosama>http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo --> Editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
07:37<amrosama>I diddn't found the xorg file so I am creating it?
07:37<ectospasm>no, that doesn't answer the question.
07:38<amrosama>I am trying to setup my graphic card on debian
07:38<ectospasm>what problem are you trying to solve with this process? It seems you already have X Windows working...
07:38<amrosama>okay, so I will skip this step and go to next one
07:39<ectospasm>amrosama: what is wrong with your video card right now?
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07:40<amrosama>the compiz didin't work ,the hdmi output not working, the lab is too hot << last one was fixed some day on ubuntu by idintifing the vega drivers so I want to do the same here on debian
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07:41<ectospasm>yeah, sounds like you'll have to install the radeon or radeonhd driver. Follow the ATiHowTo and it should be straightforward
07:41<ectospasm>but then again, I avoid ATi/AMD like the plague because it can be such a pain to set up in Linux.
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07:46<ectospasm>maybe someday AMD's graphics drivers will be better in Linux. But I'm not holding my breath.
07:47<amrosama>I finished the wiki steps ,now I must restart i think?
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07:47<ectospasm>amrosama: you may be able to get away with modprobe'ing radeon...
07:48<amrosama>sorry, but I don't understand
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07:51<ectospasm>amrosama: did you load the radeon kernel module yet?
07:51<ectospasm>Rebooting may be all you need to do, but it shouldn't be strictly necessary
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07:53<amrosama>I will restart now and see
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08:02<amrosama>hi
08:03<skinnyfatguy>Hello all, I'm having an issue with slow scrolling at the bottom of xterm windows. I don't think X is using any sort of acceleration.
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08:07<skinnyfatguy>This is a pastbin of the xorg log in case anyone is able to help: http://pastebin.com/rGVfnRL3
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08:13<skinnyfatguy>Oddly, the problem only occurs when using xterm-emacs using gtk seems just fine.
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08:16<dierot>Hello, anyone interested in helping me set up 'wordpress' on Wheezy? I'm almost done but I've some 'overlapping virtualhost' issues I dont' know what to do with?
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08:27<ethan>crazy question: need software for babies? finally setting up an old thinkad for my 2 year old, aptitude search for baby, child, kid, children not giving me any hits (must need different repos) any thoughts?
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08:29<sakax>hello - im trying to install/compile latest rhythymbox version 2.97
08:29<sakax>i receive following error >>>checking for gobject-introspection... configure: error: gobject-introspection-1.0 is not installed
08:30<sakax>which pakage do I miss?
08:30<pparadis>sakax: what version of debian are you using?
08:30<sakax>latest version
08:30<pparadis>no, what version?
08:30<pparadis>please pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net
08:30<sakax>6.0.5 minimal install
08:30<sakax>ok hold on
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08:32<pparadis>sakax: you're probably missing this --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gobject-introspection
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08:32<sakax>http://paste.debian.net/185548/
08:32<pparadis>or since it references 1.0, it may required something higher than that is available in the debian repos.
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08:33<pparadis>1.32 is in wheezy, and there's this in backports --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/libcairo-gobject2
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08:34<pparadis>you probably need the first package i listed, but at a newer version, and thus you might be interested in this --> http://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation
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09:08<sakax>why can something be so complex :( im lost
09:09<sakax>i just wanted to install lates version of rhythymbox on debian 6.0.5
09:09<sakax>latest*
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09:12<nevyn>ethan: have a look at gcompris
09:13<nevyn>ethan: simple mouse tutorials etc "learning games" type stuff
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09:18<amrosama>how to know if my video card is defined correctly in debian?
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09:31<dr>hi
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09:32<Apollo>!ask
09:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:35<varun>i want to setup server, i m using ubuntu 12.04
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09:35<olasd>you should ask an ubuntu channel then
09:36<varun>ok
09:36<olasd>:)
09:36<varun>#ubuntu
09:36<sml>if you have a kvm VM and it uses LVM and you want to resize it because the guest is runnong out of space, how do you go about it?
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09:36<olasd>varun: you've got #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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09:38<sml>as i'm using debian the qemu-img command doesn't have resize in this version.
09:41<memos>you have to use LVM with the VM?
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09:43<sml>memos: the guest itself uses ext3
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09:46<hadret>sml: how many partitions do you have and which one do you need to extend on guest side?
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09:47<sml>hadret: the guest has a single NTFS partition
09:47<ectospasm>trickier
09:47<hadret>sml: NTFS or ext3?
09:48<ectospasm>sml: make sure you defrag the NTFS volume, then use the Disk Management tool (in Administrative Tools) to grow the NTFS volume. I still don't trust third-party tools to do that
09:48<sml>hadret: i have two guests. one is ntfs the other ext3. one windows one linux. windows one needs to be bigger as they (m$) lied when they said server core only needs 6GB ;-)
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09:49<ectospasm>sml: so shrink the ext3 volume (LVM+filesystem), then grow the NTFS volume in Disk Management (from within Windows)
09:50<ectospasm>I hope you have backups of all data respectively, you may be in for a bumpy ride
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09:51<sml>ectospasm: well the kvm vms both use /dev/mapper/vgX/foo(1/2) as that was the default. but the kvm seems to use this partition raw rather than it be formatted and so i wasn't sure if I could just resize the lvm like i would normally.
09:52<sml>i mean if it wasn't a virtual machine image i'd just use lvmresize, make it bigger, then i'd just use resize2fs afterwards.
09:52<hadret>sml: exactly this way
09:53<hadret>so Windows partition is on LVM too?
09:53<ectospasm>hadret: I highly doubt that
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09:53<ectospasm>...unless you're talking about LVM on the host, Windows on the guest
09:53<ectospasm>or Windows + Linux guests
09:53<hadret>ectospasm: no, Linux host and Windows and Linux on LVM as guests
09:54<sml>yes. as in, the kvm images are on their own lvm partitions, but the guests are formatted with ext3 and ntfs respectively. im not doing anything silly like nested lvm (or whatever the correct term would be)
09:54<hadret>sml: so in that case, you are not storing images "as is", but rather use LVM as RAW device
09:54<hadret>that's good -- you can make snapshots
09:55<hadret>before you will proceed with any actions
09:55<sml>hadret: i regularly make snapshots and gzip them and pipe them to dd over ssh to a remote backup server.
09:56<ectospasm>sml: essentially you just need to resize the LVM partitions. I'm not sure how to do that with KVM (I don't use KVM), but it *should* be straight forward
09:56<sml>it's a bit overkill, so i have a much lighter backup script which just backs up my mysql dbs and apache config along with this like dpkg --get-selections. much lighter
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09:56<sml>ectospasm: only one way to find out :)
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09:57<sml>it would probably be easier/better to just use qcow2 images as files on lvm partitions then i can just use standard os tools to resize
09:57<sml>but I did it this way as it was the default...
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09:58<sakax>http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rhythmbox/rhythmbox_2.97-2.1.debian.tar.gz
09:58<sakax>has someone a clue how to build/install this?
09:59<sakax>there seems to be no makefile defined?
09:59<sakax>./configure as well as make fail
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10:01<skinnyfatguy>sakax: Thats the same version that is packeged, no?
10:01<sml>sakax: can't you just get the source pacakge and compile that way?
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10:04<Apollo>sakax: you can't compile that
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10:04<memos>i have a problem with apache2 and mod_ssl ... getting this error on client SSL handshake failed
10:04<Apollo>that package only contains the debian patches
10:04<sakax>You need to have gobject-introspection >= 0.10.0 installed to build rhythmbox > i have an outdated version to compile it
10:04<sml>memos: have you done enmod mod_ssl ?
10:04<Apollo>download the rhythmbox source, apply the patches, compile
10:05<memos>yeap
10:05<sml>memos: and /etc/init.d/apache2 reload ?
10:05<sakax>no so fast - i am newbie
10:05<sakax>what do you mean with the patches?
10:05<Apollo>memos: what's in your /var/log/apache2/error.log ?
10:05<memos>sml: yeap im on this 3 hours now
10:05<Apollo>there is a directory 'patches' in the tar you liked
10:05<Apollo>*linked
10:06<sakax>yes - how do I apply those?
10:06<Apollo>with 'patch'
10:06<memos>Apollo: getting this in log Invalid method in request \x16\x03\x01
10:06<sakax>so i copy the patch directory into the original src directory
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10:06<Apollo>sakax: I suggest you try to google how to apply patches
10:06<sml>memos: what about if you test the SSL handshake using openssl s_client ?
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10:07<Apollo>memos: that means ssl is not enabled in apache
10:07<memos>i 'll do this now
10:07<memos>not enabled?
10:07<sml>sakax: is there a reason why you don't want the packaged rhythmbox ?
10:07<Apollo>apache is receiving an ssl handshake, but it doesn't know what that is, as it only understands plain http
10:08<Apollo>this means there is either a problem with your virtualhost, or with mod_ssl
10:08<sakax>sml: yes - because it's really outdated
10:08<sml>sakax: even the version in backports?
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10:08<Apollo>memos: does anything relevant to apache show up when you restart it in /var/log/syslog?
10:09<sakax>i have the backports APT enables but the latest version doesnt seem to install
10:09<sml>sakax: you need to install with -t squeeze-backports
10:09<sakax>do you know how to install lates version from command line
10:09<memos>Apollo: no nothing else
10:09<sakax>sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install rhythmbox ?
10:09<sml>the apt priorities prevent upgrades otherwise. otherwise your whole system would end up getting upgraded to the versions of the software in backports . not what you want :)
10:09<sml>sakax: that should do it :)
10:10<Apollo>memos: then you have a problem with your virtualhost
10:10<memos>Apollo: i 'll check this too im on this
10:10<Apollo>is there nothing else in /var/log/apache2/error.log ?
10:10<Apollo>or any error log for that matter in /var/log/apache2/
10:11<sakax>i re-tried it
10:11<sakax>this just ends up with rythmbox version 0.12.8
10:11<sakax>far from the latest version
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10:12<sakax>0.12.8 is from the stone age (2010)
10:13<Apollo>sakax: is there an exact reason why you want the last version?
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10:13<sakax>yes - albumartist support
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10:13<Apollo>if you want cutting-edge applications, debian stable is not the distribution for you
10:13<ectospasm>sakax: couldn't you simply pin the rhythmbox version from sid?
10:13<sml>sakax: let me take a look..
10:14<sakax>i just want to learn how to build the latest version :)
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10:14<ectospasm>Apollo: s/stable //
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10:14<Apollo>memos: I have peronal experience with this problem, so yeah. There aren't a lot of factors that can produce those results
10:14<Apollo>sakax: this isn't the channel to learn how to compile applications...
10:15<sakax>ectospasm: how would i do this?
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10:15<memos>Apollo: happened to me again before some months but i can't remember what was wrong
10:15<ectospasm>dpkg: tell sakax about apt pinning
10:15<sml>sakax: hmm it's not in backports that's why. you can always grab the source pacakge from sid and backport it yourself
10:16<ectospasm>dpkg: tell sakax about pinning
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10:17<sml>sakax: sid is on version 2.97, that up-to-date enough for you ;-)
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10:17<sakax>yes i know
10:17<sakax>i just didnt pass the n00b test right to get it installed
10:17<sakax>im currently on squeeze
10:17<sml>sakax: soo... there are some good guides online on how to backport yourself.. i think the bot here even has a quick and dirty guide
10:18<sml>sakax: you would want to stay on squeeze and just effectively make your own backport.
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10:18<sml>and only add a deb-src line to apt just in case.
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10:19<sml>sakax: message the bot with simple sid backport
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10:23<ectospasm>dpkg, tell sakax about simple sid backport
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10:23<sml>ectospasm: ah is that how you do it? :)
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10:24<ectospasm>sml: yup
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10:30<am>hello, how to know if my graphic card driver is setup correctly or not?
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10:30<perlwizard>if you can see something on screen, then something probably works.
10:31<perlwizard>if you're concerned abou 3d acceleration, try glxinfo from meta-utils
10:31<perlwizard>mesa-utils*
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10:33<am>okay, I guess it is working
10:34<am>so how to tune by screen brightness
10:34<ectospasm>am: look in your DE display settings, you may be able to control it there
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10:34<ectospasm>the OSD on your monitor is still probably the best place to change that, though
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10:35<am>sorry what is DE, what is OSD?
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10:35<ectospasm>Desktop Environment... On Screen Display (on screen menu of your monitor)
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10:35<ectospasm>DE = GNOME, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, Fluxbox, etc...
10:36<perlwizard>am nvidia or ati card ?
10:36<am>ati
10:36<ectospasm>funny how still people say ATi and not AMD...
10:36<am>I don't have on screen menu, I am on hp labtop pavilion g series
10:36<dierot>am are you worrying about failsafe mode?
10:37<am>no, I just want to lowest my screen britness and I can't from the labtop keyboard
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10:37<ectospasm>am: doing it from the DE environment or ati-settings utility (whatever it's called) is your only hope, then
10:38<perlwizard>I know nvidia-settings has brightness control
10:38<am>where is this?
10:38<perlwizard>I'm guessing you need to look for similar ati tool
10:39<sakax>you sumply cannot compile latest rhythmbox for 6.0.5 - more than 20 warnings of outdated build packages which are not available for 6.0.5
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10:39<am>you mean to install ati tool from the software center
10:39<sakax>simply*
10:39<perlwizard>probably fglrx-control
10:39<sakax>thats why its probably not backported
10:39<dierot>am brightness can also be lowered from the DE power management settings
10:40<sakax>do i misunderstand something - what is linux community expressing with STABLE releases?
10:40<perlwizard>well-tested stuff.
10:40<ectospasm>sakax: it is least likely to contain critical bugs
10:40<sakax>stable just means stable without updating applications?
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10:40<perlwizard>pretty much.
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10:41<ectospasm>if you want Debian's idea of bleeding edge, use sid. and all the caveats that come with it
10:41<am>dierot: no I just see controls fro put computer to sleep but not controlling the brihtness !!!
10:41<ectospasm>am: is that in fglrx-control?
10:41<sakax>well it it ok to go for SID or is full of bugs?
10:41<sakax>is it*
10:41<perlwizard>try it and see
10:42<ectospasm>sakax: sid is more likely to contain bugs, but in practice it tends to be quite stable
10:42<ectospasm>right now is probably more stable than usual
10:42<sakax>everyone in here is on SID?
10:42<ectospasm>development in sid has slowed pending the transfer of wheezy from testing to stable.
10:42<ectospasm>sakax: is the version you want on wheezy?
10:42<perlwizard>sakax a lot of people are. even more on #debian-next
10:43<sakax>the version of rhythmbox i want is included in SIP
10:43<sakax>SID*
10:43<perlwizard>great, isn't it?
10:43<dierot>am do you have a gpu driver for your amd?
10:43<ectospasm>sakax: currently, sid and wheezy are fairly similar
10:44<am>I don't know ,how to know?
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10:44<ectospasm>sakax: I'd upgrade to wheezy, backport the sid version (using the same procedure as simple sid backport), and you should be good to go
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10:45<skinnyfatguy>Hmm, it seems the xorg issue is Intel's fault, they don't seem to support my gpu. Ugh.
10:45<dierot>am you can check System Settings --> Details --> Graphics
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10:45<skinnyfatguy>I mean it is old and all, but you'd think that would mean it would have better support.
10:46<ectospasm>skinnyfatguy: depends on the GPU, really
10:46<ectospasm>...and the vendor's ongoing support for it
10:46<skinnyfatguy>ectospasm: It's an i865 I think.
10:46<ectospasm>I cite the nvidia driver dropping support for ancient cards periodically
10:46<ectospasm>skinnyfatguy: that means jack all to me
10:47<ectospasm>...it may be that particular GPU isn't well supported in Linux, and Intel didn't think it worthwhile to port the drivers over (or whatever was necessary)
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10:48<skinnyfatguy>ectospasm: There is a driver, it just has bugs on some set ups so it has been disabled.
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10:48<ectospasm>skinnyfatguy: do those bugs affect YOUR setup?
10:49<skinnyfatguy>ectospasm: I can't tell. The work around to enable it doesn't work.
10:49<ectospasm>I don't know what to tell you.
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10:50<am>dierot: system have administration or prefrence
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10:51<skinnyfatguy>ectospasm: I'll google a bit-hopefully some cunning soul out there has found a workaround.
10:52<sakax>one of the first hits on google: Upgrading Squeeze to Wheezy: a nightmare!
10:52<sakax>:)
10:52<sakax>at least it was flagged with status SOLVED
10:52<ectospasm>skinnyfatguy: yeah, sorry I can't be of more help. All of my machines run nVidia GPUs (when I can control it--my laptop has an AMD GPU)
10:53<dierot>am try writing into a terminal ' dmidecode | less ' and use your directional keys to read until you find a graphics driver
10:53<ectospasm>am: actually, look in lspci (less scrolling)
10:53<ectospasm>or, lspci -k
10:54<ectospasm>dierot: does dmidecode give driver info? I didn't think it did.
10:54<endived>/exit
10:54<ectospasm>it'll give all sorts of useful info, like BIOS info, motherboard manufacturer, chipsets, but not the actual driver
10:54<ectospasm>endived: /quit
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10:58<am>1:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc NI Seymour [AMD Radeon HD 6470M]
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10:58<dierot>ectoplasm & am: no, sorry
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11:01<dierot>am: found this on net ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log '
11:02<dierot>am: it should say what driver X is using
11:02<Thibbers>I want my system to be up to date, but not unstable. Should i go for testing or unstable ? And is testing as bad as the description says ?
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11:03<dierot>Thibbers: Testing is fine. You just should upgrade it regularly.
11:04<am>give me the paste link to show you the result
11:05<Thibbers>And is unstable... really unstable ?
11:05<sakax>i will tell you in 2hours
11:05<Thibbers>I mean i'll use linux for dev and well, what a pc has been made for so...
11:05<sakax>currently upgrading :)
11:06<am>I got it ,here is the result >>paste.debian.net/185570
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11:06<memos>i found why didn't work the mod_ssl on a virtual host ... syntax error :( ... lost 3 hours for 1 byte ... was '</Directory' at the bottom of the file
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11:07<memos>hey don't laugh ... :P
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11:10<dierot>am: ok, i think you need to install a proprietary driver from amd
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11:11<am>how?
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11:13<dierot>am: the output says that you're using a 'vesa' generic driver. You should use 'vesa' only if X isn't working: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/04/24/tip-how-to-check-which-video-driver-is-your-x-server-using/
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11:13<memos>Apollo: are you there?
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11:14<dierot>am: try amd.com and search for a driver for the card that the 'dmidecode' stated
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11:15<dierot>am: it was radeon 9640? or something...
11:16<dierot>am download a linux, preferably debian driver and your good.
11:16<dierot>am then you need to install and configure it
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11:20<am>the site said >> No Results Found
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11:20<joalland>hi
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11:21<dierot>try google
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11:27<dutchfish>good afternoon, in a typical xen setup in wheezy i have a multihomed vm with routing disbaled, i can still see packages arriving from my connected workstation over eth0 inside this vm when i tcpdump eth1. How is that possible, and how can i prevent that?
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11:28<dutchfish>eth0 and eth1 are on different physical subnets
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11:32<dierot>am: i don't know, i've tried to google it too but can't find anything. some amd graphics cards don't have linux support.
11:33<nome>hi... i have a problem with install exim4 ... http://paste.debian.net/185574/ apt-get -f install dont help
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11:35<dierot>am: you can try if any of the other drivers on amd's page work. often they do
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11:36<dutchfish>nome, i had simular issues in the past on debian/stable when exim was installed per default and later i switched to postfix and wanted back again. aptitude purge exim4 (and/or purging the dependant packages) first solved my problem.
11:37*sakax will reboot and hopefully show up in the #debian-next channel ;)
11:37<dutchfish>nome, might be left overs from a past misconfigured exim4.
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11:38<dutchfish>nome, dpkg -l | grep exim will tell
11:38<nome>ok will try
11:39<nome>http://paste.debian.net/185575/
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11:40<nome>so its a bug in stable wersion of exim4?
11:40<dutchfish>nome, yup, try to purge those first then install exim4 again.
11:40<dutchfish>nome, neither, it is prolly due to misconfiguration of eixm4 in the past or unclean upgrades.
11:40<dutchfish>exim4*
11:40<nome>a was trying purge remove exim and install again ... dont work
11:41<nome>still get the same msg
11:41<nome>hmm exim is unsintall ok
11:41<dutchfish>nome, this is debian stable and up 2 date?
11:42<dutchfish>nome, ok, purge the others as well
11:42<dutchfish>nome, then try install exim4 again
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11:42<nome>error is when... im trying remove postfix and system want install exim
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11:43<nome>so its problem with postfix i think... byc cant unstall postfix even with purge
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11:43<dutchfish>nome, dont uninstall postfix, just aptitude install exim4 (postfix will be rmeoved automagically in the process)
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11:44<alex___>does anyone know where the alt+f2 history is stored on xfce?
11:44<Krept>I've installed a debian wheezy via debootstrap on a ext4 file system. In the rescue mode (e.g. grml) it shows a disk usage of about 700MB. But if i boot the machine "df -h" shows me a usage of 11gigs. "du -h /" shows also only about ~700mbs. Is that normal?
11:44<dutchfish>nome, can you pastebin dpkg -l | grep postfix ?
11:44<devil>Krept: please go to #d-next
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11:45<Krept>devil: i'm sorry, thaks.
11:45<nome>dutchfish: sure http://paste.debian.net/185576/ ... im going with a dog on walk so will write when i will back
11:46<Apollo>memos: yes, sup?
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11:46<dutchfish>nome, mm.. that looks ok
11:47<alex___>i know that the alt+f2 history is stored somewhere in my home folder but trying to grep for it wasn't very effective
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11:49<mandark>Hi there, can someone explain me why, on an emacs in a gny screen, Ctrl-` is the same as Ctrl-space ? I'm sure it's simple
11:49<mandark>s/gny/gnu
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11:50<memos>Apollo: was syntax error in the file of the virtual host ... was '</Directory' but when i restarted apache2 started without error ... this is normal?
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11:50<darkhmet>hello World!
11:51<Apollo>memos: It is, apache doesn't syntax check the files in sites-enabled as far as I know
11:51<dutchfish>nome, try `aptitude install exim4` (if you have purged the packages i asked, the outcome of aptitude install can be different then apt-get install, see the rror in your first page of APT::Immediate-Configure.
11:51<dutchfish>)
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11:54<alex___>found it, it was in ~/.cache/xfce4/xfrun4/history
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11:54<memos>Apollo: OMG thanks for the info
11:54<mandark>hum http://www.mail-archive.com/tmux-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00543.html
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11:57<emss>mandark: you could create your own keybinds or it could be a termminal setting
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11:57<dutchfish>nome, also check if /etc/apt/apt.conf excists and what it contains.
11:59<emss>mandark: screen must be interpreting that escape sequence and passing something else to emacs
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12:00<mandark>emss: seems that C-` C-space and C-@ are almost the same, but I can't find a document about this
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12:05<mandark>emss: they speak of "canonical keys" ... I'm trying to find doc about this, seems interesting.
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12:09<mark_>hello
12:10<mark_>is there a way to see (log) what updates i did?
12:10<mark_>what packets i upgraded
12:10<mark_>in the past 5 days
12:11<nicelyToasted>mark_: did u have a look in /var/log/apt?
12:11<emss>mandark: what terminal are you using?
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12:13<mark_>the thing is i did the upgrade by the ui
12:13<mark_>ubuntulike
12:13<nome>dutchfish: dont have apt.conf
12:14<nicelyToasted>mark_: it should still end up in the apt log
12:14<mark_>nicelyToasted, yea its here
12:14<mark_>:)
12:14<mark_>thanx
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12:23<nome>dutchfish: shoudl i have it?
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12:28<mark_>could any of these upgrades mess my sound (alsa) http://paste.debian.net/185581/
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12:28<mark_>sorry oftopic , for testing
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12:39<System25AQP>hola algun pas
12:40<System25AQP>quiero sexo
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12:41<System25AQP>hola algun pas para sexo
12:42<ompaul>!es
12:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:49<dutchfish>nome, per default no. Try what i wrote earlier. I am off for dinner.
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13:49<dierot>HI! Is anyone embedding python in latex? Seriously.
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13:52<dierot>"Hello, I'm trying to embed python into latex. But otherwise everything's ok."
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14:01<Apollo>dierot: how is this related to debian?
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14:07<dierot>I'm doing it on Wheezy. Atleast trying to.
14:08<dierot>Sorry, I've sometimes difficulties distinquishing where the line is.
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14:09<dierot>Anyway: There's a package called python.sty that I have to place somewhere. Apollo? Do You know where?
14:10<Apollo>dierot: this isn't a debian question
14:10<Apollo>it's a latex question
14:10<Apollo>there probably is a #latex channel on irc.freenode.net
14:11<dierot>Yea? Thanks.
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14:11<dierot>BTW: Where would the line go? ...In Your opinion?
14:12<dierot>That's a Debian question, I suppose.
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14:27<nome>dutchfish: its problem of locale... i had pl_PL uft_8 but change on en_US uft_8 but still get info thah have installed pl_PL and dont have set LANGUAGE.. and LC ...
14:29<nome>dutchfish: I changed it by dpkg-reconfigure locales... and check files /etc/default/local.gen ect... and restart os buts still have set pl_PL
14:29<nome>and dont know howto change it on en_US...:/
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14:30<weasel>nome: what does 'locale' say?
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14:30<weasel>nome: also, you could install locales-all (that's what I do on all my machines)
14:31<teste123>boa tarde
14:31<teste123>alguem pode me ajudar?
14:32<abrotman>!br
14:32<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:33<teste123>ok
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14:34<nome>weasel...ok will try install locales_all
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14:36<teste123>somebody help?
14:36<nome>ehhh i give up:/
14:37<nome>polish language come back after install locales_all
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14:38<teste123>need help with partitions
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14:38<teste123>i reinstall the windows, make a partition fo this
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14:39<teste123>install ok, but the other linux partition show not
14:39<teste123>alloched
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15:15<mmc1>I build a package for amd64 & i386 archs. These 2 runs produce *.changes files, which point at a *_all.deb package, which is different (let's say it contains timestamp). So I cannot push those 2 changes files into a repo (it refuses since the hash is different). How to avoid having the arch-independent packages generated twice?
15:17<ansgar>mmc1: Build it only once, see dpkg-buildpackage -b/-B.
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15:19<mmc1>ah, -B
15:20<mmc1>so, apart from the first arch, I'll use this -B.
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15:40<gruetzkopf>is there any plans for the wheezy relese ETA
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15:41<shanks>gruetzkopf: probably when there are no release critical bugs I'd imagine
15:41<shanks>there is a readyness web page somewhere
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15:51<chealer>!tell gruetzkopf about wwwr
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16:21<Aleric>I want to install debian a few times, so I don't want to use netinst. However, I also don't want to burn 8 DVD's :p. I understand there is a way to download to HDD and install from there, but what should I download then and how should I format that harddisk to store whatever I download?
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16:23<sney_>Aleric: the hd-media installers still use the installer ISOs in a way. are you doing a very specialized install? if not, DVD1 should be more than sufficient - or even CD1 depending
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16:24<cybersphinx>Aleric: Or you set up a system with apt-cacher-ng, to cache the packages for the netinst.
16:24<sney_>or that, yes
16:24<Aleric>Oh, how would that work?
16:25<Aleric>That would even be better than using a HDD :)
16:26<cybersphinx>Aleric: Install apt-cacher-ng on a system you have around, then use it as proxy for the machines you install.
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17:12<Aleric>apt-cacher-ng is running and logged a few dozen lines for the client connecting to it, but then things just hang... zero bandwidth use. The netinst hangs at "Retrieving base-installer" :/
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17:15<lacrosse1992>hello, what would be the best way to change a mac address of a network interface? I need to connect a debian router to a network that will only allow pre-registered mac address to connect
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17:15<Aleric>I changed mirror... and it fetched a few more and then hangs again... this doesn't work :/
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17:16<abrotman>Aleric: i've had great luck with approx
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17:17<Apollo>lacrosse1992: sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether xx:xx:Xx:xx
17:18<lacrosse1992>thanks for the help :)
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17:18<Aleric>abrotman; I wonder if apt-cacher-ng uses libcurl ?
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17:18<Aleric>If so, then I can guess what the bug is...
17:18<abrotman>no idea .. as i said, i've had good luck with approx
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17:25<socialbug>hi everyone
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17:28<scientes_>Aleric, apt-cacher-ng is awesome
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18:01<tdrusk>Having a really hard time wiping my hard drive in Squeeze. I did dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M, which didn't work. And now I can't get the drive to wipe. I just want to boot an ISO off a USB drive... any pointers?
18:02<abrotman>!tell tdrusk about dban
18:03<tdrusk>abrotman: I have no cds. I can't make a usb drive of dban...
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18:04<abrotman>why not ?
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18:08<sney_>tdrusk: don't forget, after any dd or cat command involving disk writes, you have to 'sync' at least once to make sure none of the writes are cached
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19:30<tuvwx>where can i set PATH so it affects bash, zsh, and openbox?
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19:33<gotmynick>tuvwx, for example in ~/.profile
19:34<tuvwx>gotmynick: ~/.profile was my first attempt. it affects none of the listed targets
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19:34<gotmynick>well, I'm not sure about zsh, but it should affect bash and the window manager
19:35<gotmynick>at least fluxbox alt+f2 does read ~/bin files
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19:39<debdemon>hi, I have a beginner type question regarding permissions... can anyone help? if I want to change permissions so that a directory can be accessed by the user, what do I do?
19:39<debdemon>I tried to use chmod in terminal but when trying to access the file in a gui file manager, 'can't
19:40<debdemon>any ideas?
19:41<gotmynick>which permissions did you set? and... does the X session run under the same owner than the file?
19:41<gotmynick>s/file/directory/
19:41<debdemon>this will sound strange... I'm helping someone who was an expert at linux and isn't anymore
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19:42<debdemon>I copied files on a usb drive and it didn't mount automatically so me, being not too good at debian linux, I created a directory and added an entry in fstab
19:42<debdemon>gotmynick, I tried chmod 755
19:42<gotmynick>directory needs "executable" perms to be able to "enter the directory"
19:42<gotmynick>that should be fine
19:42<debdemon>how do I do that?
19:43<debdemon>I have limited practice with permissions :-/
19:43<gotmynick>chmod 755 is write, read,"enter" to the owner, and "read and enter" to the gorup and to "anybody"
19:43<gotmynick>group
19:44<debdemon>what should I do then?
19:44<tuvwx>gotmynick: .profile isn't affecting bash. tested by logging in via ssh. maybe your DE sees it and your terminals inheretes it from the DE
19:44<debdemon>I think that the directory only has root permissions since I created the directory (the drive gets mounted to) as root
19:44<debdemon>DE?
19:44<tuvwx>desktop env
19:44<debdemon>oh yeah
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19:45<gotmynick>tuvwx, I can use ~/bin/ too from tty, and it's setted at ~/.profile
19:45<gotmynick>with bash as default login shell
19:45<debdemon>I still don't know what to do
19:45<gotmynick>debdemon, not sure about your issue, if the mount point is 755, anybody should be able to see it
19:46<debdemon>I forget how to check the permissions of the directory
19:46<debdemon>but, it's not really there... so confusing
19:46<gotmynick>ls -l, stat, etc ...
19:47<tuvwx>gotmynick: ok.. it does work. i did not have a ~/bin dir. - was just experimenting with 'echo $PATH'. once i created ~/bin, bash updated PATH
19:47<debdemon>if this usb drive is 'seen' as /dev/sdf1 and I created a directory called /sdf1 (stupid, I know) and just want to mount it there... with permissions for user, how to do this?
19:47<debdemon>any suggestions for a good method?
19:47<debdemon>it's a drive formatted ntfs
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19:48<gotmynick>tuvwx, \o/ ok, now try your custom path, and see if ~/.profile is mentioned in man zsh... or if it works
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19:49<Semy>I'm having newbie woes with my internet connection. Just finished doing all the updates/upgrades possible which downloaded and installed fine and then restarted. After that I tried using wget to download a file but it failed. I restarted and now I can't SSH in or access the internet at all. I really can't find any decent guides online, which I know is stupid but I'm completely stuck
19:49<gotmynick>debdemon, one user, or multiuser ?
19:50<debdemon>one user...
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19:50<gotmynick>debdemon, then chown username:username the mount point and be done with it
19:50<gotmynick>else, you may need to work with groups
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19:52<gotmynick>Semy,
19:52<gotmynick>it's hard to know what did happen
19:53<gotmynick>can you paste?
19:53<gotmynick>ip link
19:53<gotmynick>ip a s
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19:53<gotmynick>also look at dmesg for eth* related messages
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19:53<debdemon>gotmynick, ok, I'll try it... can't do it here, though :-/
19:53<gotmynick>or wlan* or whatever name the interfaces has
19:53<Semy>hm, not sure how to copy and paste without SSH
19:54<debdemon>is there any reason why a usb drive wouldn't mount?
19:55<gotmynick>debdemon, for example a bad partition table, see "dmesg" when you plug it
19:55<gotmynick>Semy, is there any "inet" line in ip a s ?
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19:56<debdemon>ok
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19:56<debdemon>btw, it is detected on another linux computer, just fine
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19:57<Semy>hold on gotmynick, I've taken a shot on my phone, might be a little easier :)
19:58<gotmynick>errrr debdemon did you say ntfs ? then you may need some additional package
19:58<Semy>https://www.dropbox.com/s/tahjom2tediy4nf/2012-08-26%2000.57.09.jpg
19:58<gotmynick>like ntfs-3g
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19:59<gotmynick>Semy, you seem to have an address in eth1
19:59<gotmynick>and virbr0 (sounds like a bridge for virtualization)
19:59<gotmynick>does that match your /etc/network /interfaces ?
20:00<gotmynick>or... are you using network-manager or something like ?
20:00<Semy>is an address in eth1 good or bad?
20:00<gotmynick>we don't know
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20:00<gotmynick>does your machine have eth0 and eth1 (two ethernet interfaces) ?
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20:01<gotmynick>else maybe udev moved your interface name to N+1
20:01<Semy>it looks like eth1 is commented out in /etc/network/interfaces
20:01<Semy>eth0 is there
20:01<gotmynick>mii-tool
20:01<gotmynick>as root
20:01<gotmynick>see where it says there is a link
20:02<Semy>eth0 no link, eth1 failed
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20:02<gotmynick>failed as in "operation not supported" ?
20:02<Semy>siocgmigfy operation not supported
20:03<gotmynick>ok, then this seems to be ok...
20:03-!-ring0 [~ring0@dslb-084-059-051-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
20:03<gotmynick>can you ping your gateway using the ip ?
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20:03<gotmynick>ip a s | grep default
20:03<gotmynick>try to ping that ip
20:03<gotmynick>errr
20:03<gotmynick>ip r s | grep default
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20:04<gotmynick>ip route show
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20:04<gotmynick>the "default" line marks your gateway ip
20:05<Semy>ip r s | grep default shows nothing
20:05<Semy>ip route show has an IP of 192.168.122.0, ping 192.168.122.0 -b gives 100% packet loss
20:05<debdemon>ntfs-3g? needs to be installed?
20:06<gotmynick>you're using a /24 network, .0 is the network address
20:06<gotmynick>debdemon, yes
20:06<gotmynick>Semy, are you using dhcp or static addressing ?
20:06<debdemon>hmmm.... ugh... it wouldn't install
20:06<Semy>dhcp, I believe
20:06<debdemon>the OS (this debian install) is outdated... oh man :(
20:07<gotmynick>Semy, without a default gateway, your route table is incomplete
20:07<gotmynick>Semy, there seems to be a problem with that, are you using /etc/network/interfaces, network manager, or... ?
20:08<Semy>um... I'm not sure what you mean :(
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20:08<Semy>I set this up a few months ago, I had trouble with it then too
20:08<debdemon>I think he means how do you configure your network (IP)
20:09<Semy>I remember editing the interfaces file
20:09<gotmynick>Semy, have you upgraded between releases ?
20:09<gotmynick>maybe it's some issue with ipv6 by default
20:09<Semy>yes, I think so
20:10<gotmynick>you can try this: echo "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1" > /etc/sysctl.d/local.conf
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20:10<gotmynick>and reboot
20:10<debdemon>I have another question then... anyone have some free time for a silly question?
20:10<Semy>ok, I'll try that :)
20:11<gotmynick>Semy, use >> instead of >
20:11<debdemon>the computer I was talking about is a bit outdated... I want to do a re-install for the owner... but, I think some data is on it... I have a free drive, though... I am not sure how to copy stuff onto it though since the OS is 'messed up'
20:11<gotmynick>just in case the file already exists and has some important setting
20:11<debdemon>would using a live CD work?
20:12<gotmynick>debdemon, sure
20:12<gotmynick>debian-live
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20:12<gotmynick>or you may try to use the installer in expert mode, and switch to a tty just in the "partitioning" step
20:12<gotmynick>or boot the installer in "rescue mode"
20:13<gotmynick>with normal installation, you need to reach the "partitioning" step, so disks, lvm, raid, etc is detected
20:13<debdemon>any live cd would, right?
20:13<debdemon>never used debian-live
20:13<debdemon>I usually just use debian to install...
20:13<debdemon>the computer has a bit of an elaborate setup, though... tons of partitions...
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20:14<Semy>permission denied for local.conf?
20:14<gotmynick>Semy, do it as root
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20:15<Semy>I was using sudo
20:15<debuser>why was I kicked?
20:15<gotmynick>sudo -i
20:15<Semy>trying to use su but it's not accepting my password??
20:15<Semy>same for sudo -i
20:16<gotmynick>or put the redirection into the sudo command with quotes
20:16<Semy>oh wait I see
20:16<debuser>I was just saying I want to access the partitions and directories to check for data I will copy to a drive in a docking station
20:16<gotmynick>sudo -c "command >> here"
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20:17<gotmynick>debuser, there is a bot that kicks when there are too many lines pasted (it is called "flood")
20:17<Semy>ok, rebooting now :)
20:17<debuser>oh, sorry
20:17<debuser>I thought that might be it... :-/
20:17<gotmynick>debuser, if they are "standard partitions", the debian live or most livecd with support for your filesystems will do
20:17<debuser>gotmynick, I know you are helping Semy but do you think this way makes any sense? :(
20:18<gotmynick>if they are debian "lvm" or "software raid", I could recommend to use the installer in rescue mdoe
20:18<gotmynick>mode
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20:19<debuser>none of those
20:19<debuser>lvm = logical volume management, right?
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20:19<gotmynick>right
20:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 498] by debhelper
20:20<gotmynick>then any live system that supportsthe filesystems will do
20:20<debuser>ok
20:20<debuser>thanks
20:20<gotmynick>mount the partitions, mount the external drive, move files around...
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20:20<gotmynick>and umount properly too
20:20<debuser>how?
20:21<debuser>I use a gui too often and usually choose 'safetly remove'
20:21<gotmynick>if you use command line, with the umount command, if you use some livecd with "automount", then right button in the icon, umount
20:21<debuser>I have used umount but
20:21<gotmynick>that is, safetly remove
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20:22<debuser>ok
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20:22<debuser>I was asked to network these computers (all in the same room) but I'm not sure how
20:22<debuser>such a big project... I'm out of my element :-(
20:23<gotmynick>are they physically connected to the same network ?
20:23<Semy>ok, finally restarted. Ping 8.8.8.8: network is unreachable. Ping www.google.com unknown host
20:24<debuser>physically?
20:24<gotmynick>Semy, do you get any gateway ?
20:24<gotmynick>ip r s | grep default
20:24<debuser>it was done prior with nfs and mounting via ip address
20:24<gotmynick>debuser, connected to a network switch or something
20:24<gotmynick>a that is "yes"
20:25<debuser>but, with a new install, it would need to be done over so I guess I'll be learning networking :-(
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20:25<gotmynick>and what is your doubt ?
20:25<debuser>gotmynick, yeah, a network switch
20:25<debuser>gotmynick, doubt that I can do it :=/
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20:25<debuser>never set up a network in linux
20:25<gotmynick>just use a dhcp server if there is one, or if they use static address, put all machines in the same subnetwork with the same network mask
20:25<Semy>ip r s | grep default gives: default dev eth0 scope link metric 1002
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20:26<gotmynick>Semy, can you paste, take a potho, or whatever of your /etc/network/interfaces ?
20:26<debuser>I think the latter is how it was set up previous
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20:27<debuser>I looked up examples and it seemed way more complicated than what I need
20:27<debuser>I just need access of all three computers by each computer
20:27<gotmynick>debuser, view /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz
20:28<gotmynick>it has examples for most setups
20:28<gotmynick>you need just to use the same "netmask", and to use incremental "address" lines
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20:29<Semy>here's interfaces: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtr42vv2r4l4r5e/2012-08-26%2001.27.47.jpg
20:29<gotmynick>Semy, it's weird
20:30<gotmynick>you had no link in eth0, but eth1
20:30<gotmynick>and you had the address in virbr0, which is not defined in the interfaces
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20:30<gotmynick>:-S
20:30<Semy>this is a whole other language to me, and I don't speak it at all :(
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20:31<Semy>can I just wipe it all and start from scratch?
20:31<Semy>would that be easier?
20:31<gotmynick>first
20:32<gotmynick>how many ethernet interfaces does the machine have? 1 or 2 ?
20:32<Semy>well, technically 3: wireless, a wired card, and the motherboard wired connection
20:32<Semy>but the motherboard I could never get working
20:32<gotmynick>ok
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20:32<debuser>Semy, did you disable one of the wired cards?
20:33<gotmynick>and mii-tool, says there is no link in eth0
20:33<debuser>what chipsets are they?
20:33<Semy>chipsets?
20:33<debuser>yeah
20:33<gotmynick>are you using network manager ?
20:33<debuser>Realtek, Intel etc.
20:33<gotmynick>if you are using network manager, the interfaces file is not used
20:34<debuser>gotmynick, maybe should establish whether either wired was disabled?
20:34<debuser>might there be a conflict if that isn't the case?
20:34<debuser>I dunno...
20:34<Semy>is the network manager a GUI program? I've not used one of those
20:34<gotmynick>ps -aux | grep nm ?
20:34<Semy>I've no idea what chipsets are used, how can I find out?
20:34<gotmynick>or dpkg -l | grep network | grep manager
20:34<debuser>its' a program ... although, there is a gui interface usually
20:34<debuser>gotmynick, right? :)
20:34<gotmynick>well, if you are using interfaces...
20:35<debuser>lspci?
20:35<gotmynick>debuser, right, it has a backend and some GUI interfaces
20:35<gotmynick>for the chipsets, lspci right
20:35<gotmynick>what I see...
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20:35<gotmynick>mii-tool said there was no link in eth0
20:35<debuser>gotmynick, I'm kinda dumb but not 100% :)
20:35<gotmynick>but your interfaces file, only defines eth0
20:36<gotmynick>Semy, try this:
20:36<gotmynick>ifdown eth0
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20:36<gotmynick>edit the interfaces file, and put "eth1" in the lines wher eyou now have eth0
20:36<gotmynick>and: ifup eth1
20:36<debuser>if he didn't disable one, then one might be 'on eth0 and another got linked to eth1?
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20:37<gotmynick>cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to see that
20:37<gotmynick>such file should tell you the mac, the driver and the interface names
20:39<Semy>ifup eth1 gives 'ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1
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20:39<gotmynick>:-/
20:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 491] by debhelper
20:40<gotmynick>take a look to the udev file
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20:40<gotmynick>cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
20:40<Semy>ok
20:40<Semy>this will be slow, have to manually transcribe it across :)
20:40<gotmynick>see where is the card that has link (eth0, eth1...)
20:40<gotmynick>adapt your interfaces file to it
20:40<gotmynick>auto ethN
20:41<gotmynick>iface ethN inet dhcp
20:41<gotmynick>and the line you use to enable wake on lan if needed
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20:42<Semy>ok, I see three lines, one has a name of eth0 and another eth0
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20:44<Semy>I don't understand how you mean to adapt them?
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20:44<gotmynick>i mean... if you are using /etc/network/interfaces, it needs to match the card you want to use
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20:45<gotmynick>if it's eth0, then that, if it is eth1, then that one
20:45<gotmynick>you can empty /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and it will be regenerated at boot
20:45<gotmynick>and it should not have duplicated interfaces
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20:46<Semy>wasn't interfaces using eth0 originally, and when I changed it to eth1 it still didn't work
20:47<gotmynick>not sure
20:47<gotmynick>neither i'm sure from where comes your virbr0 interface
20:47<Semy>all I can see in the 70-persistent-net.rules file is two lines that are identical apart from a MAC address and being called eth0 and eth1
20:48<gotmynick>when I configure bridges in debian I do it in the interfaces file
20:48<gotmynick>your udev issues may come from the upgrade
20:48<Semy>ok
20:49<gotmynick>you can empty such file and reboot, it will be regenerated, and should not have duplicated entries
20:49<gotmynick>one by each interface
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20:49<gotmynick>then, you can use such interface names to configure the interfaces file
20:49<gotmynick>but still i'm in doubt
20:49<gotmynick>your virbr0 interface annoys me
20:50<gotmynick>if it does not come from the interfaces file... what are you using that can configure a network bridge interface ?
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20:50<Semy>you mean a program or something?
20:50<Semy>I'm not using anything
20:50<gotmynick>some virtualization software ?
20:51<Semy>I've tried setting up a Minecraft server and that's it
20:51<gotmynick>https://www.dropbox.com/s/tahjom2tediy4nf/2012-08-26%2000.57.09.jpg <-- virbr0 was here
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20:54<gotmynick>well, I'm loosed, in which step are we now ?
20:54<gotmynick>are we sure what is eth0 and what interface is eth1 ?
20:54<Semy>nope :)
20:54<gotmynick>ok
20:55<gotmynick>: > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
20:55<gotmynick>reboot
20:55<gotmynick>after that, we should be sure what interface is each one, looking at such file
20:55<gotmynick>after that, we should ifdown every interface but "lo"
20:56<gotmynick>we should be sure that the /etc/network/interfaces matchs the desired interface for dhcp
20:56<gotmynick>and ifup it
20:56<gotmynick>if after reboot whe still have a "virbr0" interface, I'm loose... you need to research from where it comes
20:57<gotmynick>maybe something like grep -r libvir0 /* or a I don't know howto localize from where it comes
20:57<gotmynick>errr libvir0 no, virbr0
20:59<gotmynick>or something like: lsof | grep virbr0
20:59<gotmynick>to see which process is using it
21:02<Semy>wait, I just restarted and pinging is working
21:02<gotmynick>it was a udev upgrade related problem then
21:02<Semy>so is ssh
21:02<gotmynick>reseting the file, seems to returned everything to original state
21:03<gotmynick>I'm happy it worked, because I was getting crazy
21:03<Semy>haha, me too
21:06<Semy>thank you very much for your help :)
21:07<gotmynick>no problem
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22:36<maiello>IRC is still alive!
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22:55<milo64>empathy won't start and cheese crashes.
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22:56<milo64>games like nibbles won't start, too.
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22:58<milo64>The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
22:58<milo64>help
22:58<ectospasm>milo64: what does free -m show?
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22:59<milo64>ectospasm, http://paste.debian.net/185631/
23:01<ectospasm>hmmm, insufficient resources for operation means some kind of memory problem... free confirms you *should* have enough free memory...
23:01<milo64>6_9
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23:01<milo64>so, how to fix?
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23:02<ectospasm>I dunno, that message is rather terse. Maybe run each program in strace, and paste the output (one at a time)
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23:02<milo64>what's strace?
23:03<ectospasm>milo64: see "aptitude show strace"
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23:05<milo64>ugh... strace empathy generates so big data. I shall pastebin all that?
23:05<ectospasm>milo64: to be complete, yes
23:05<ectospasm>you may delete something crucial otherwise
23:06<ectospasm>actually, you may want to have two different pastes
23:06<ectospasm>one for each program
23:06<ectospasm>...it may be some library misbehaving
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23:07<milo64>ok
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23:08<milo64>Length of code is not allowed to exceed 89kB << D:
23:09*milo64 tries a different method
23:09<ectospasm>yeesh
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23:10<ectospasm>tail a "strace $program |tail -n 1024"
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23:16<milo64>The connection was reset ... oohps
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23:17<milo64>not working now.
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23:20<milo64>ectospasm, http://pastebin.com/3Yp3MW8Y
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23:23<ectospasm>perhaps this is a clue: Unrecognized deviceID 126
23:23<ectospasm>milo64: ^
23:23<milo64>ok
23:23<milo64>nvidia octopus! D:
23:24<milo64>optimus*
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23:25<milo64>how to fix this?
23:26<milo64>ectospasm, ^
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23:30<milo64>p_q
23:31<ectospasm>milo64: I dunno, what's the list of programs that are misbehaving? You said cheese, and something else.
23:32<milo64>ectospasm, empathy doesn't run, cheese runs but very slow (sometimes crash), gnibbles. AFAIK.
23:32<ectospasm>milo64: I've always had problems with cheese
23:32<ectospasm>the problems may not be all related
23:32<ectospasm>...I don't play games
23:32<milo64>ok
23:32<ectospasm>But it looks like you've got GNOME-related issues
23:33<ectospasm>have you applied all updates? What distro (squeeze, wheezy, sid) are you using?
23:33<milo64>squeeze
23:34<milo64>here are my specs: intel core i5, HDD: 500.1 GB, RAM: 8 GB, Intel Graphic card, NVIDIA Octopus (Optimus) 3d gpu.
23:35<milo64>i checked on update manager. it says my system is up to date while i didn't update anything at all before.
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23:36<milo64>i found it hard to install bumblebee.
23:37*milo64 pokes ectospasm
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23:38<ectospasm>I don't use squeeze, sorry
23:38<milo64>O
23:38<ectospasm>if you don't mind running a (frozen) testing distro, you may want to upgrade to wheezy, may have better luck.
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23:38*milo64 facepalms
23:38<milo64>ectospasm, i hate gnome 3.
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23:39<milo64>at least i want xfce
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23:39<ectospasm>I use GNOME 3 fallback/classic + XMonad
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23:40<milo64>how long will wheezy be frozen?
23:40<sakax>ectospasm: i upgraded today to wheezy and i have not experienced issues so far
23:40<ectospasm>milo64: until it's released as stable
23:41<sakax>there is a gnome 2 fork for wheezy > MATE
23:41<milo64>oh god, what is frozen?
23:41<milo64>sakax, how to install mate?
23:41<ectospasm>milo64: it will only receive bug fixes from here on out, unless serious security vulnerabilities come from upstream packages...
23:41<ectospasm>milo64: frozen means no major new versions of software (in general)
23:41<ectospasm>just like squeeze
23:41<milo64>ok
23:42<sakax>milo64: http://mate-desktop.org/install/#debian
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23:43<milo64>ha ha...
23:43<milo64>i'll keep on going with squeeze 'till wheezy is stable then. XD
23:43<milo64>thansk. bye
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23:44<sakax>its stable from my point of view - stable as in usable without annoyances
23:44<milo64>ok
23:45<sakax>squeeze is so outdated
23:45<milo64>sakax, u have gnome 3 edition, correct?
23:45<sakax>no
23:45<sakax>i also hate gnome3 ;)
23:45<milo64>k
23:46<milo64>ok
23:46<sakax>xfce and mate
23:46<milo64>:D
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23:49<ectospasm>milo64: all I know is squeeze didn't run well on my Thinkpad x120e... when I installed wheezy, it was simple
23:50<ectospasm>...so always remember thta
23:50<milo64>at least i can use squeeze on a pc just purchased a week ago
23:51<milo64>and i make use of it very well. i just coded a game on py
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23:55<ectospasm>milo64: then you don't have a very new PC
23:56<milo64>ok
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